Honda S2000 Club Racer vs Porsche 996 Carrera | Thunderhill East Cyclone
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- Here is some footage from a recent track day! Honda S2000 is very capable in stock form and can give Porches with more horsepower a run for their money.
Setup
Volk CE28N 7.5F/9R
225F/255R Hankook RS4
Project Mu Club Racer Brake Pads - amzn.to/2VSLM5S
Project Mu G-Four 335 Brake Fluid
Yes I know I'm still leaving my foot on the accelerator when shifting...
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Pretty cool to see a bone stock (probably) 996 on the track being driven hard though. I bet s2000 inspires more confidence in the corners with less understeer, and then you have the 911 traction out of turn 11-12. Great video!
You guys had the track to yourselves! That's awesome.
Great Vid! These are two cars I own and track.. and this video validates everything between the s2000 and the 996 platform. Both are incredibly close and make near equal lap times by doing things so differently. S2000 is all corner speed and requires no mistakes to maximize mph. The 996 requires you to use the weight bias to rotate the car and reduce underster. If you make a small mistake, the power can save your lap. I love my 996... But I prefer the s2000 on track 😎
I spoke to the owner afterwards and he mentioned the understeer so its cool to see that observation confirmed about the 996 platform. He also mentioned that he wasn't running really sticky tires so that also probably had something to do with it. He pulled off because he was getting uncomfortable with them :P He was a super cool guy though and was really impressed with the Honda S2000. Always fun to drive with other capable drivers!
If that Porsche had 2.0l N/A engine it would had 150hp. Nice drive!
Thanks!
Seemed like you had the whole track to yourselves, thanks for sharing!
You're welcome. There were probably 5-10 cars on the track if that towards the end of the day. It was amazing!
I love my flashing green light
Great driving man! Apex lines very smooth!
Thanks!
Nice driving there! I did T.H. East, but with the bypass last year at NSX/TypeR Expo in September. It was hot AF, but the track was amazing. 2:11 is hustling!
I'm jealous! Can't wait to start tracking mine!!!
Dude. Thank you for your videos!! They are so pleasant to watch through! I’m going to replace my belt tensioner & idler pulley bearings, as well as serpentine belt! It’s nice to come across seemingly down-to-earth human beings, such as yourself lol. We’re OUT THERE 😉
Enjoy!
EXCELLENT DRIVING SIR!
Hey thanks
Hey Jason, can you tell me what makes you prefer the 7.5/9.0 wheels and 225/255 tires. I recently bought a completely stock and low mile AP1 and went with similar wheel tire set up, except 215/245x17 in a TSW NURBURGRING wheel and Michelin PS4S, due to more street use. I track at High Plains Raceway, in Byers Colorado, a 2.55 mile track. I’ve considered changing to a 255/40/17 square set up, for improved grip. I can swap over at no cost within thirty days of purchase, so need to decide real soon. Would really appreciate your feed back and suggestions. I will keep power stock and make improvements only in suspension, brakes, baffled pan, oil cooler and improved cooling system. I have a few years experience on this track and others. Thanks in advance.
PS, Great video production, both track content and tech. I have become a real fan of your work.
PPS, IT came down to a 40 anniversary 996 and the S2k when buying. End of day it came down to my Honda loyalty and confidence. A 997 is in the cards real soon though.
Hi Scott, thank you for the kind comments.
The reason I'm still on a staggered setup is a philosophical one. I'm interested in experiencing the club racer as it was designed and also interested in improving my driving skill. I don't really want to raise the limits of the car until my driving skill has reached within 5% of limits of the car. Given that almost every time I go to the track I am able to shave off at least a few tenths of a second off of my previous personal best I know I haven't reached that limit.
My personal opinion is that most people are too quick to modify their cars. I want to set some monster lap times and show how capable an S2000 is in stock form. When I do eventually raise the limits of the car I'll be able to fully appreciate and quantify the changes.
Posted same time Xav_S2000 posted his Porsche 964 track session vs the S. Nice
That guy is such a legend. I hope I can be as fast as him one day.
Awesome footage! What is the thing flashing green in the dash? TC?
The club racer has max power / shift light built into the dash.
nice wheels 👍
edit: man you are getting fast now Jason
Thank You Alex. Dude we need to get you back on track soon!
Have your rim center caps stayed on throughout all of your tracking? I seem to have lost one side (still have both on my passenger side) driving on thunderhill east
No issues with any of my caps
what muffler system do you have. You S2000 sounds very different from mine.
Man, this looks so god damn fun!
Hi;
Shocks Cr?
Rs4 or Rsr federal?
Thanks!!very good driving and car
Stock CR shocks, Hankook RS4
Thanks
amazing work!
Thanks
Great driving! While I do think that the S2000 is a better track car than a 996 (due to price and reliability) the 996's do share a special place in my heart.
They're very undervalued right now due to the IMS issue and I think they're going to bottom out soon...
- they're extremely reliable (outside of the IMS) and the upgrade options are endless (GT3 parts, GT2 parts, etc)
- 2960 lbs, 345hp RWD 6MT - these are the specs for a 2003 Porsche Carrera Manual Coupe RWD
- the platform is extremely beefy if you sleeve the pistons (see ua-cam.com/video/-4HVBx1TmGE/v-deo.html). I had a chance to talk with Bisimoto a couple weeks ago at Festival of Speed down here in SoCal and he's heavily tracked his modified 996 engine, the only concern is high G loads with racing slicks and oil starvation (similar to the S2000, there are fixes like oil pan baffling, etc). He is pushing 800hp and mentioned that most of the major components in the car are still pretty much stock... transmission, axles, etc.
The only thing that the 996 is "missing" IMO would be a dry sump... but so is the S2000 (and my beloved 997.1). That being said the lack of a dry sump only really shows when you're very fast on slicks and there are companies with crank-driven sumps available.
Lastly I like that there are known paths to take your Porsche car/your driving progression to the next level with your Porsche... You can start out with your stock 996 doing basic DE events and progress all the way into GT1 with the same car (albeit a lot more modifications). There are groups like the Porsche Owners Club that push different tiers of wheel-to-wheel racing and the 996, with enough budget, can be competitive in any of those brackets.
Of course you can always wheel-to-wheel race the S2000 but it is a bit more rare and the path is a bit more obscure!
Out of interest, what's the green flashing light, guessing its prob shift up?? PS nice driving 👍
Hi Rob! The green flashing light is a max power indicator that is unique to the club racer.
👍 that's a cool feature, I never knew it had that. Thanks.
Good stuff. I really need to get out there again.
this is awesome. i want a cr so bad
S2000 is awesomeness
Would you of been faster if you shift to 5th instead of bounce on limiter?
Not sure.
What shift knob is this if you don't mind me asking??
I've got a very similar knob from dream automotive
Ross Batten thanks I checked it out. The one you mentioned is substantially heavier than the stock one. I believe it’s around 47 grams? I have a billet knob that’s around 500g so I was wondering what the weight was like on these.
I forget where I bought this. It was some small run from a Facebook group. It is a very heavy counter sunk knob. Probably 500-1000grams.
@@DIYGuysvideo gotcha. I have one that's a little over 500g and it's shaped more like the OEM (brand Likewise, model: Thicc Boi knob) haven't mounted it yet but liked the look of your round one.
I wish i have a car to run at thunderhill. i miss my ae86 😪
It’s time for a krsftwerks kit
Seems like a waste when there is so much more time in the car. Just need more seat time.
996 couldn't hang with you in the corners!