They have it to a science because people don't take care of their batteries and it doesn't matter if it's pure lead because it will still degrade just as fast, it has a calculable life span and just charging or discharging it wrong will mess up that lead real quick. And they're doing it for profit of course, but i don't think we're getting ripped off as much as people don't take care of batteries because they're ignorant and they will just go to waste. Also power factor and density is a thing. But i get lucky with cheap refurbished batteries, and you do get what you pay for, if you want thick grids of lead you'll pay like 500 for it.
Nickel iron batteries will literally last forever if you take care of them, they can not run dry or you will probably have to disassemble them and clean. Badic refurbish them. They aren't that efficient, neither is lead. I had the idea to build cells from 5gallon buckets, or 40 gallon plastic drums . But that is q lot of nickel sheet. I'm curious if steel sheet can be used gor anode and cathode. And just nickel plate the steel with a thick layer of nickel? Get a coat of nickel about .005"- .010" and get the edges about .002" thicker, to be certain they dont loose the plating and cause a self discharge. If a fella could build a 24v battery from 40-55 gallon drums, about 20 cells its going to take up alot of room. Literally weigh tons! However the amp hours would have to be close to 100,000, well it shiuld be over 10k ah anyways! You should be able to run a house on it for over a week. Especially if the drums are filled with anode and cathode material Maybe only around 5 gallons of electrolyte per cell! Then i discovered flow batteries, where the energy is stored in the electrolyte. And is slowly pumped, or allowed to gravity feed over the anode and cathode. Cant recall the voltage per cell , however using two 55 gal. Drums per cell, with two empty drums to catch the electrolyte as it is discharging, then the other drums can catch the electrolyte as it is recharged! It should be very efficient, nearly 1 coulomb stored for one coulomb put in The loss would come from powering the pumps. Maybe a siphon can be setup, that only uses the pumps to get it started? This would more likely be built using 3gal. Or 5 gal. buckets. Probably 8 oz containers to make a proof of concept version. It can bevery interesting . Then i got the idea of gravity batteries. Putting a pulley in the top of a huge tree. And putting la ton or two of weight up it, using a heavy gear to slow the fall to about 24" per hour. Spinning a bldc 3phase permanent magnet motor generator, to produce power during the discharge. And connect a winch to solar panels to "charge" it during the day. A 40' drop discharge about 10 hours, the heavier the load the longer it runs because the load slows the fall. Although the actual power(wattage) output drops. It would be great to have two trees somewhat close together, to put a steel beam across them to anchor multiple pulleys across, and use steel drums filled with sand maybe wet sand , or rocks and sand. Loop a .375" steel cable over the pulley spinning a shaft to a few chain and sprockets that turn the roughly 5-10,15 rpm to 1000 rpm plus to spin the generator a 10x overdrive spinning a 3kw generator is going to be difficult to spin.it should exceed 90% efficiency. And 1200 watts of solar should recharge it . And you could always help it by helping vthe weight to the top! Crazy ideas!✌️ have an awesome day, i wouldn't mind building lead acid batteries either. You can use carbon foam as one of the plates, can't recall witch, it isnt destroyed by the acid. And improves the battery. Robert Murray Smith has a video on it. Its been a while. I wasn't really thinking lead acid at the time. Im wanting to store energy for a offgrid house. Thinking about a 5,hp steam engine. Maybe a 12x6" tesla turbine, on a 1.5" hollow shaft, with the exhaust setup zo exit the shaft. Built using aluminum flashing. Maybe something slightly thicker. Maybe sand the outer 1-2" to make the disc slightly thinner. To allow the steam to enter between. With multiple 1/4" grooves cut in the shaft to allow exhausting in the shaft! Anyway, have a awesome day🎉!👍
Awesome sauce. Secret sauce recipe on removing contaminants in depleted anode plates? Complete recipe for new cathodes, anodes? I have 20+ dead lead acid deep cells from bad deals, for off grid solar, would like to make my own
Very useful for a grid down situation, eventually all batteries will break down great to know how to make your own....can your battery start a vehicle?
The PbO2 paste actually goes on the positive plate (POSITIVE POLE). Battery science lingo can be tricky to understand. Just mix PbO2 with water and push paste into grid holes with scarper.
Awesome i will be making my own batteries soon I was looking for ways to make then lead carbon for longer life I was also going to make grids thick What are your thoughts on lead carbon?
Yes lead must enter the body. Even heating isn't likely to release much, but that's why you do it outside, don't huff the fumes, wear PPE etc. People still cast lead in the USA lol also just fyi...lead is literally everywhere in nature & civilization. Be aware but don't assume everything will kill you. I took have cast cells of my own & if anyone is interested read the battery builders guide by Phillip Hurley
People use lead all over the place. roofing sheets for vent pipes, casting bullets for reloads, fishing weights, all the good stuff. Third world countries literally refurbish lead acid batteries right down to reusing the plastic casing.
This is a frequent result of chemical exposure to heavy metals. As is belief in a flat planet conspiracy among those who have not been outside their home area ever before...
I dunno man, showing how he used a waffle maker is pretty cool if you want to do it yourself, and Ive never seen that before. If you need the science behind how a battery works, there's 1000s of videos out there explaining that. Look one of them up.
I don't think I'd ever tackle making one myself but it's good to know for emergencies. Thanks.
I was thinking of making them the same way so I'm glad to see if it works for you
They have it to a science because people don't take care of their batteries and it doesn't matter if it's pure lead because it will still degrade just as fast, it has a calculable life span and just charging or discharging it wrong will mess up that lead real quick. And they're doing it for profit of course, but i don't think we're getting ripped off as much as people don't take care of batteries because they're ignorant and they will just go to waste. Also power factor and density is a thing. But i get lucky with cheap refurbished batteries, and you do get what you pay for, if you want thick grids of lead you'll pay like 500 for it.
Nickel iron batteries will literally last forever if you take care of them, they can not run dry or you will probably have to disassemble them and clean. Badic refurbish them. They aren't that efficient, neither is lead. I had the idea to build cells from 5gallon buckets, or 40 gallon plastic drums . But that is q lot of nickel sheet. I'm curious if steel sheet can be used gor anode and cathode. And just nickel plate the steel with a thick layer of nickel? Get a coat of nickel about .005"-
.010" and get the edges about .002" thicker, to be certain they dont loose the plating and cause a self discharge. If a fella could build a 24v battery from 40-55 gallon drums, about 20 cells its going to take up alot of room. Literally weigh tons! However the amp hours would have to be close to 100,000, well it shiuld be over 10k ah anyways! You should be able to run a house on it for over a week. Especially if the drums are filled with anode and cathode material
Maybe only around 5 gallons of electrolyte per cell!
Then i discovered flow batteries, where the energy is stored in the electrolyte. And is slowly pumped, or allowed to gravity feed over the anode and cathode. Cant recall the voltage per cell , however using two 55 gal. Drums per cell, with two empty drums to catch the electrolyte as it is discharging, then the other drums can catch the electrolyte as it is recharged! It should be very efficient, nearly 1 coulomb stored for one coulomb put in
The loss would come from powering the pumps. Maybe a siphon can be setup, that only uses the pumps to get it started? This would more likely be built using 3gal. Or 5 gal. buckets. Probably 8 oz containers to make a proof of concept version. It can bevery interesting . Then i got the idea of gravity batteries. Putting a pulley in the top of a huge tree. And putting la ton or two of weight up it, using a heavy gear to slow the fall to about 24" per hour. Spinning a bldc 3phase permanent magnet motor generator, to produce power during the discharge. And connect a winch to solar panels to "charge" it during the day. A 40' drop discharge about 10 hours, the heavier the load the longer it runs because the load slows the fall. Although the actual power(wattage) output drops. It would be great to have two trees somewhat close together, to put a steel beam across them to anchor multiple pulleys across, and use steel drums filled with sand maybe wet sand , or rocks and sand. Loop a
.375" steel cable over the pulley spinning a shaft to a few chain and sprockets that turn the roughly 5-10,15 rpm to 1000 rpm plus to spin the generator a 10x overdrive spinning a 3kw generator is going to be difficult to spin.it should exceed 90% efficiency. And 1200 watts of solar should recharge it . And you could always help it by helping vthe weight to the top! Crazy ideas!✌️ have an awesome day, i wouldn't mind building lead acid batteries either. You can use carbon foam as one of the plates, can't recall witch, it isnt destroyed by the acid. And improves the battery. Robert Murray Smith has a video on it. Its been a while. I wasn't really thinking lead acid at the time. Im wanting to store energy for a offgrid house. Thinking about a 5,hp steam engine. Maybe a 12x6" tesla turbine, on a 1.5" hollow shaft, with the exhaust setup zo exit the shaft. Built using aluminum flashing. Maybe something slightly thicker. Maybe sand the outer 1-2" to make the disc slightly thinner. To allow the steam to enter between. With multiple 1/4" grooves cut in the shaft to allow exhausting in the shaft!
Anyway, have a awesome day🎉!👍
the lead oxide can be converted back to lead if you ever want to recover it for something besides electrolytic paste
That requires smelting it in a low oxygen, charcoal fired furnace. The carbon gas in the charcoal will strip the oxygen out of the lead oxide.
Awesome sauce. Secret sauce recipe on removing contaminants in depleted anode plates? Complete recipe for new cathodes, anodes? I have 20+ dead lead acid deep cells from bad deals, for off grid solar, would like to make my own
Very useful for a grid down situation, eventually all batteries will break down great to know how to make your own....can your battery start a vehicle?
2:05 Where did you get the paste for the negative plates❓
Thanks for sharing with us.
The PbO2 paste actually goes on the positive plate (POSITIVE POLE). Battery science lingo can be tricky to understand. Just mix PbO2 with water and push paste into grid holes with scarper.
this is really cool! what kind of material did you use for the separators, and how thick are they?
Awesome i will be making my own batteries soon I was looking for ways to make then lead carbon for longer life I was also going to make grids thick What are your thoughts on lead carbon?
So you purified the lead you salvaged?
Yep
@@brianleake7762 Careful there dude. You’re likely to poison yourself with all that lead acid. It’s seriously toxic.
Dem waffles look delicious 🤤
No wonder bro is a flat earther, he works witth lesd oxide. 😂😂😂😂😂
What happend to next Vidio .what can I use for plate seperator
Next part???????
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Brian, some friendly advice. You’re exposing yourself to lead poisoning with all this.
How does lead enter the human body❓Cuts on the skin?
Is the lead being heated to its vapourisation temperature.
Yes lead must enter the body. Even heating isn't likely to release much, but that's why you do it outside, don't huff the fumes, wear PPE etc. People still cast lead in the USA lol also just fyi...lead is literally everywhere in nature & civilization. Be aware but don't assume everything will kill you. I took have cast cells of my own & if anyone is interested read the battery builders guide by Phillip Hurley
You can reduce that with a proper mask, gloves, apron, ventilation and over time lead count can go down on its own.
People use lead all over the place. roofing sheets for vent pipes, casting bullets for reloads, fishing weights, all the good stuff. Third world countries literally refurbish lead acid batteries right down to reusing the plastic casing.
How exactly?
Uh uh uh, ah ah ah Negative plates uh uh uh positive plate ah ah ah, with no educational information. Thank you uh uh uh ah ah ah
This is a frequent result of chemical exposure to heavy metals.
As is belief in a flat planet conspiracy among those who have not been outside their home area ever before...
I dunno man, showing how he used a waffle maker is pretty cool if you want to do it yourself, and Ive never seen that before.
If you need the science behind how a battery works, there's 1000s of videos out there explaining that. Look one of them up.