I Think I Have Proof That Mormonism Is Not True
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2018
- This is not just conjecture. We have actual evidence that Joseph Smith was lying to Mormons when he invented his new "scripture" the Book of Abraham. This is proof that Mormonism is not true. The book of Abraham was not translated, it was fabricated. Here is the evidence. Share this video so that more people can be set free from the tangled lies of Joseph Smith. Mormons are the victims of Mormonism and we can show them love by showing them the truth so they can put faith in Jesus for real.
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Great site with support for claims about the Book of Abraham mit.irr.org/category/book-of-a...
Article outlining some of these facts coldcasechristianity.com/2014/...
This is the article I quoted from on the official LDS website.
www.lds.org/topics/translatio...
Hi pastor Mike. I've been subscribed to you for awhile, and I just wanna say I appreciate ND thank God for you And this channel. I watch your videos everyday, and they have definitely kept me strong in my walk with Christ.
That being said,
Both topics sound awesome! The atheist one sounds great, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about faith healers. I'm wondering if ministers like Benny hinn and Richard Roberts will be on the list. I grew up watching those guys, televangelists are always hit and miss with me spiritually, and don't even get me started on prosperity preachers. *Cough*osteen,white*cough*
But I also wonder if maybe even Bob Larson would make it on your list. He's more of a deliverer than a faith healers but same ballpark I would say.
I've always liked Bob Larson but I feel like he's all show sometimes.
Idk this is exactly why I'd like to hear your take on this. Haha
Thanks again for this channel. It is not just my Sunday church time, but my everyday church time.
God bless you good sir
When I do the video on fake healings I will probably be focusing on Todd White. Not because he is the worst of the worst or anything like that, simply because I have access to video evidence that demonstrates the falseness of it. Thanks for sharing, it's a great encouragement.
Richard Holmes that video is nonsense
Richard Holmes, here is how Paul Gregersen's video is nonsense. Paul Gregersen’s PERSONAL interpretation of Joseph Smith’s ‘translating’ of the Book of Abraham is completely subjective and false.. For him to claim that, for over 150 years, no one in the church “accept me” has seen the true deciphering of the Book of Abraham is self-serving at best and arrogant at worst. His bragging that he has DEBUNKED THE DEBUNKING OF THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM is based on contorted logic, his own PERSONAL interpretation that is opposed to what has been published by the church, and on assumed ‘computer codes’ and ‘mathematical formulas’ that he says are necessary to decode an ENCRYPTED (his word) text. But no amount of bragging, contorted logic, replacing the hieroglyphs in the Facsimiles, assumed “computer codes”, or “mathematical formulas” is going to change the fact that Joseph Smith claimed to be translating the Egyptian papyri and failed miserably. And the Mormon church supported that ‘translation” for over 150 years. What kind of “Prophets, Seers, and Revelators” are they, if they didn’t know about Gregersen’s wonderful discovery in all that time?
@Richard Holmes, must you hijack someone elses post and flood it with your pointless comments? I mean seriously!! Start your on post for goodness sake.
Richard Holmes Thanks Richard for letting people know about the new book of Abraham on line video discovery (Book of Abraham debunks anti LDS) which actually destroys the anti LDS videos arguments. Let them lie about both of us, it just causes good people to suspect why these guys go so far out of their way to demean our character as their best and only defense.
All Mormons say to pray if Mormonism is true. That you will get a warm glow in your heart that it is true. BUT !!!! In EVERY translation of the Bible JEREMIAH 17: 9 it says - The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.
James 1:5.
James 1:5
Ivette Sanchez that scripture is for wisdom not facts.
Actually they don't, because LDS, don't use the term Mormonism.
They ask you to pray about the book of Mormon, and it's truthfulness.
The only people who use the term Mormonism are other denominations, or anti LDS, because they won't or don't consider LDS Christian .
Hannah Banana There’s only one truth when it comes to who we should follow and that is Jesus.
Hello Pastor Mike. I’m not sure if you’re going to see this since I know this video came out several years ago…This video was shared to us by our daughter around November of 2018. What followed was an intense, long study of LDS history. Your information was very helpful and honestly, you opened the door for us to truly look at our church. We finally resigned this year. Thank you for sharing the truth about the Book of Abraham and other LDS false teachings.
Wow. Amazing journey. Thanks for sharing it.
@Big Chungus Thanks!
God bless you Bruce. Just keep reading your Bible, that’s all you need. ✌️
Wow praise the Lord!
THANK GOD. Why resign.? Just run to GOD.
Thanks Mike . I have just left the Mormon faith and I’m looking for Christ , I’m trying to undo 38 years of being told I’m not enough for him . I’m broken man
Praying for you. It'll be journey for you but well worth it.
So you left the one true church and the only church God confirms as true to each and every person who sincerely seeks to know... in hopes to find Jesus by turning away from him? You don't care one bit about following Christ or you would already know the truth. Listening to children of the devil instead of seeking wisdom from God is as foolish as it gets.
KG _ None of us are good enough. I thank God He has shown you the truth and you have left the cult. I dated a Mormon for so many years and the stress and control the Church put on Him was disgusting, making him feel Superior at times (when he was allowed in the Temple through good works and tithes) or worthless when he fell short. And the fact that the Church makes you believe that the worst you can do is leave the church and denounce it. Don’t believe it. God will continue to reveal His truth to you and the lies of the Mormon Church. Your brokenness has ended - you are on your way to true health and freedom. Don’t every go back to the prison of Mormonism, who worships Joseph Smith - not Jesus Christ.
Hey KG
I have been a born again Christian for over 40 years and spent a summer in Utah visiting Mormon families in 1979. Are you still looking for Christ? Do you understand what the gospel in the Bible teaches? I am here to answer any questions you might have. Thank God you left that false religion.
God bless you!
@@DellSchanze
The Catholic Church says they are the true church. The Jehovah's Witnesses claim they have the truth. Who is right and why?
Ex Mormon here who took the blinders off and now know the true Jesus Christ. Thank you for doing this video.
Every word is accurate.
Pray for the lds still blinded.
My German teacher is a Mormon, what kind of things should I talk to him about to get him to think about these issues seriously?
That's funny. I was not LDS and I finally took my blinders off and became a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
GOD IS GREAT. PRAISE the Lord. Follow God not man. Praying GOD takes the blinders off all the spiritually blind that follow false prophets. They should be following GOD.
Keep taking those blinders off
@@davidfrey5654 well you've clearly got blinders on to avoid the truths in this video. If a prophet fails in one prophecy, he is not a true prophet. Therefore, Joseph Smith is a heretic.
I ordered the Book of Mormon once and apparently, it came with two missionaries at my apartment door (and they also graciously satisfied my request for BoM, PoGP, and D&C in one book). On the first visit I apparently asked a lot of hard questions for them and on their next visit they brought along their supervisor. The supervisor said I asked too many questions, so he said to email it to him. Which I did, and he never replied back.
Calvin, I would love to answer your questions one at a time and anyone else's for that matter. Just write me at mikeh1121@gmail.com or write in to www.fairmormon.org/contact I answer questions there as well.
Calvin Limuel ditto to what the last guy said
You ordered one... Like on Amazon? And a missionary showed up with it? Or you ordered it some other way?
@@richardholmes7199 and you're probably false
@@richardholmes7199 You have picked the biggest false hill to die on. No serious theologian even considers the Joseph Smith apostasy. Jesus is Lord, you don't need anything but the bible. Don't be fooled by this ridiculous false religon of Mormonism. There are video after video that pick it apart and leave it in shambles. No one takes Joseph Smith and his fantasies seriously except the naive. It's not even worth debating. He was a con man, end of story.
This is the exact reason I left the church 25 years ago. Once I realized it wasn’t Abraham and Isaac the only answer is that Joseph Smith was a fraud. Leaving the “church” is not for the faint of heart. I lost friends because I wasn’t Mormon anymore. I was accused of “Falling away” from the church when I actually “walked away” from a lie and walked into the truth. Im a Christian and have a very strong Christian faith now.
friend, how did you get back to christianity? could you help me?
Follow God not man
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH🇻🇦
You can thank God he saved you. It's very hard to erase things you learned through out your life. But truth is very easy to learn if you believe.
I’ve been watching/reading anti Mormon literature for about a decade now, even as a fervent believer. I’m 26 and now, a current ex Mormon-I even served a Mormon mission at 19. It’s amazing how for the longest time, even though I refused to accept reality, I was always a spiritual skeptic, even before I knew I was. What itched the most were the details surrounding the Book of Mormon and its origin. It never fell right for me. I’m so thankful that I was able to find the will power to educate myself correctly and leave the cult. Videos like this one deserves a lot of credit.
True bro., Mormonism is FALSE.
The term "antimormon" is a tool that the church uses extremely well. Yes there are mormon haters just because they are haters, and I think they do a deservice to mormons, but most are not necesarelly anti mormon, they are just pointing out facts and truths that the church has tried to hide or spin to the members, so they are probably more anti mormon and anti truth that other non mormons who are just presenting the facts. I did serve a mission also in my country, Guatemala and babtized a truck load of people, because my mission president had been a CEO for a company in Utah and he liked "numbers" so we gave him what he wanted, "numbers" we baptized people left and right, people who didn't even know how to read or write, some didn't even speak spanish well. That's when I started to feel that things were not right.
@@Mizzlenum Of course, representing "the church" as trying to hide or spin facts is in itself very anti-Mormon. I too served a mission and we baptized people who were illiterate. Most of the people that the apostles baptized were illiterate. One doesn't have to be literate to follow Christ. I'm sorry that God never gave you a testimony of the Book of Mormon. I'm sorry that you never paid the price to receive one. God answered my prayer. I have been studying the Book of Mormon for over 40 years, and I am still learning new things about it. After reading about the day and a night and a day, I searched the internet to see if anything similar ever happened in modern history. It turns out that it did. It is known in scientific circles as the Carrington Event, and happened in 1859, long after the Book of Mormon was published. I then searched for volcanic eruptions of a sufficient magnitude to cause the cataclysm of 3rd Nephi, chapter 11. There was exactly one, and it occurred at the time of Christ. It is known as the eruption of Apoyeque, and it was one of the top 20 eruptions since the earth was formed. Large portions of land actually sunk, creating a large inland sea. I checked to see if any other eruptions had three days of thick darkness. It turns out that the eruption of Krakatoa was followed by three days of darkness in the surrounding islands. Critics complained about the mention of chariots in the Book of Mormon, but chariot is the correct word for Litter in early modern English. At the time "Litter" meant a wheeled vehicle. So the historicity of the Book of Mormon came through every time for me. You just couldn't believe in it.
@@robertrosskopf4641 Ditto Robert. I too served a mission after serving 6 years in the Navy. That was 41 years ago and every day I'm grateful for the Book of Mormon. I too have studied it and the Bible for over 40 years and I'm grateful for both books of scripture. I know, without any ounce of doubt the Book of Mormon is true. It's crazy to think that a young boy, 23 years of age could have written such profound scripture by himself without any divine help. And it hurts my heart when I see these other returned missionaries turn their back on the truth.
God bless you sir
My fav part of the weekend is watching “anti Mormon doctrine” at midnight so my parents don’t find out but I can still start un brainwashing myself
Oh, Bless your heart! That is awesome, Matthew!
@@kellygreen3943 thanks you too
Keep it up man! It’s great to see that you’re seeking truth. God bless!
@@theburlyburrito thank you
By the time you are finished un brainwashing yourself you may be left with no answers at all. There is a lot in the new testament that proves Christianity wrong, and some stuff in the old testament as well that should really make you question Judaism. I haven't learned much about Islam but I am sure there are plenty of scholars you can learn from about. At the end of the day, religions are like outhouses, they provide some relief but at the end of the day they are full of crap,
The technique Smith used to decipher the gold tablets is the same technique he used during his treasure hunting scam.
I was a Mormon 17 years and. In 1985 I learned how to translate Egyptian, and along with the White Salamander letter plus in Isaiah it says no God will be formed after Him or existed before him...forced me to leave the church. I WAS HIGH IN THE CHURCH . I lost everything for Christ and gained The Hope of Ages..
The salamander letter was a 1980s forgery.
ol Salamander letter Mark Hoffman had Oaks on video says of course its a white salamander????? Get you 1978 gold foil anton letter edition lds book. Mark Hoffmans work in lds book lol
I’m an ex-mormon myself and have no love for the church, but I also know you are lying. As a woman, you cannot be “high in the church”. You couldn’t hold the priesthood. You would be lower than every 12-year-old Deacon in the church hierarchy. The fact that you don’t know that makes me believe you’ve never been Mormon.
Don’t refute lies with lies. It just creates chaos and confusion. It also gives Mormon apologists ammunition to dismiss you.
You are right about the Salamander letter though.
I lived in SLC for a year as a temp engineer in a consulting firm. Half the staff was LDS. And one young engineer was determined to convert me. His problems started with my first question. If we are both Christian why do I need to convert? Eventually he stopped his efforts because I kept asking too many probing questions.
wrong you wrong Lds not Christians God is flesh like man who had sex with mary make Jesus???????? God has wife???? Wife???? Lds old sacs had lots wives lol
I'm a mormon 15 year old girl. I've been in the church all my life, forced to believe it. And I dont know what to do with myself right now.
3 years later Update:
I've gotten a lot of comments on this so I figured now is the best time to explain where I am now. I continued living according to the religion and trying to believe it, but my faith did fall off. Once I turned 16, I knew I didn't want to be in the church anymore because I didn't believe it. Though, I never told my parents and I continued to go to church until I recently moved out when I was 18. Now I live on my own, happy, and not in the mormon church. I have told my parents and they are disappointed, but I know this is what I want for myself. Thank you to everyone who commented and shared your thoughts to help me through this
Sunrise A. First, honor your parents. You need to continue following them, go to church do as they want. But, read the Bible. Study to find out if it’s true! If someone tells you what they believe is true, it can withstand doubts. Or deep research. Question the Bible! Question God! Don’t take anyone’s word that something is true! Find out for your self. Gods Truth is Truth! It’s not just a feeling. It’s faith yes! But based on evidence! God wants you to use your mind, critical thinking is required! I’m 56 years old about five years ago was searching things so I could defend the LDS church against the anti Mormon attacks. In my search I found the opposite! Seeking Truth led me to who God in the Bible says he is! And last pray to God! You may not get a warm and fuzzy feeling to confirm something, but with your sincere intent he will help you find your way! Ask him fo wisdom as God says to do! And remember I’m 56 I just barely found Gods truth, it might take time.
Praying for you to have the courage and strength to seek the truth to follow the wise advice given below.
@@norman2997 Very good advice! God bless
QUIT !!!!!!
@Dennis Maher How am I supposed to just quit. This is my church, the one I've been a part of all my life. If there is anything else, I have no clue what to believe
I can take apart the whole Book of Abraham with one question- why would an ancient Jew write in Egyptian to other Jews?
wow. so simple and yet so spot on
Not really a good argument. Jews wrote to other Jews in Greek, Aramaic, and a number of other languages. Keep in mind that in Acts 2, Jews had gathered from around the known world and were speaking other languages. That said, I don't believe the Book of Abraham to be legitimate.
I don't believe the Book of Abraham is true, but the Jews were enslaved in Egypt. Wouldn't there be some knowledge of that language and culture?
@@libertynindependence Reflecting somewhat upon this, I believe the Prophet Joseph Smith genuinely translated a text, but it’s clearly a corrupted one introducing Egyptian polytheism. Keep in mind this was published in Times and Seasons saying that it is “purporting” to be a record of Abraham, written by his own hand. Joseph didn’t publish that claiming it to be scripture or fully accurate. As far as I’m aware, he never published anything that was scripture using qualifying words like “purporting”.
@@mikehutchinson4826 he was to pretend to no other gift. He wasn't given the gift of translation. He was to use the stones to translate the plates and that was it. This would have been done after the stones were gone. I don't regard anything but the BoM and the Bible as scripture.
As a former mormon and alumni of BYU, I must say that this is a fantastically researched essay. I'm very impressed that you were able to convey your thesis and evidence so seamlessly in a live presentation.
I can tell you that your presentation of the mormon apologist's position is in-line with what is currently being taught to mormons by mormons in their schools of higher education. It should be noted that the "average" mormon does not learn about the origins of their scriptures beyond "JS translated them."
One final note: Wilford Woodruff was not just the President of the Church or a spiritual leader, Woodruff was a mormon prophet with equal power and authority (according to the Church) as Joseph Smith. (To mormons) His contemporary opinion on the matter would have been just as authoritative (if not more so) than Joseph Smith's.
Well done.
All they have to do is read from wikipedia and it says an angel moroni(?...moron? Lol) showed JS the golden plates in JS's fourth attempt to find it in some cave(?). And he translated the plates with the power of translation given to him by the angel. One just has to go on the net to find the answers especially at this day and age.
I really get a kick out of BYU alumni. I’m a alumni of USU. I’m just and old farmer who has spent more than fifty years researching the Mormon church from both sides. On the pro side you have people who seem to have a brighter look at the church than those who spend their time and effort in demonize it. If the church is not you cup of tea then leave. In all my research I have found NOTHING that would make me believe that Joseph Smith was not a true prophet. I have learned that he surely wasn’t perfect and made big time mistakes. Does that disqualify some one from being a prophet. If a person puts down in revelation that they messed up big time and said that God told him he messed up, does that mean he is a fraud? If everything you wrote down in your life was examined and gone over with a fine tooth comb looking for mistakes and flaws, would that discount you from being called a prophet? To many people will judge another person on their mistakes. Remember that with that same judgement ye will also be judged. It’s okay to say the church isn’t for me, but to claim that you know better than those who do believe is folly.
You mean his lies are well done? Why compliment someone on their lies? In the one true church we don't follow Joseph Smith or Wilford Woodruff. We are taught to ONLY follow that which is confirmed through the Holy Ghost just as the Bible teaches. We don't follow the prophets we follow the Holy Ghost that confirms the truth of what they share. Without the Holy Ghost you have nothing and know nothing.
@@DellSchanze here we go again with the big lie. Of course you guys only tell the truth. I wonder at time what it would be like a perfect person such as you are. Tell me do you know what the definition what a lie is? Let me tell you. When a person tells you something that is false and they know it is false, that is call a lie. If someone tells you something that is false and they don’t know it is false they are not lying. When I read many of the accusations made by others, I say that they are lies. Not that person telling them is a liar. The only reason you would say the church is lying is because you think it gives your more credibility. It really doesn’t. Now you could say I believe in a falsehood. That is what you believe. Do I think that the prophet today is a liar? No. He believes it just as much or more than I do. I would not expect anyone to believe that a restoration of Christs church happened through a prophet named Joseph Smith. You would be stupid to just believe my word. Ask God. Through the power of his Holy Spirit which reveals truth to man I know that what I am saying is true. You don’t have to believe it. But would you expect me to believe your right just because you said so
@@leighcowley9869
"When the prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, and the thing does not happen or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you are not to be afraid of him." Deuteronomy 18:22 ... if a prophet is wrong EVEN once he is not a prophet of Yahweh !
it is devastating growing up Mormon and learning its completely false. When I found this out through my own research I lost all drive, motivation, and care to pick myself up from the floor. However from this realization I was given my very first very real answer from god and knew god was real and was watching over us. This is all i ever wanted and now that i have that experience I no longer believe in god I know god.
Yo Daddy
I can't even imagine how that would feel. God bless you, man.
God* not god.
How do you "know" that God is real?
It is a miracle that you discovered the truth. The LDS church is inundated with lies and deception. It is such a blessing when someone figures out the truth and exits the church. God bless!!!
YO DADDY, Run from the LDS church and run to Jesus. Don't be deceived by the devil any longer. God is great. Read your bible and seek God. Have a blessed day.
Mormonism has hurt so many people. LDS teachings state that one can become a god of their own planet if they are perfect and do 100% good works on Earth (for LDS leaders, Matthew 5:48 is central to this idea). This not only distorts the grace Christ has given to mankind, but also puts adherents of Mormonism in a never-ending endeavor towards the perfection only God has. What this ultimately boils down to is that instead of spending all their time being thankful to Jesus for paying the price for our sins, Mormons instead spend it preoccupying themselves over whether they've been "good enough" or done enough "good works" to get into heaven. Pray for Mormons. They are very lost and need Jesus.
My favorite question to ask Mormon missionaries: "Why are there no maps in the back of the Book of Mormon like there are in many Bibles?" I end up answering it for them by stating, "It's because no place mentioned in the B of M has ever been found. This introduces the subject of objective truth. We talk about language - "Reformed Egyptian?" We talk manuscripts (None available for the B of M). We talk about coins mentioned in the B of M. None have ever been found, but one can purchase coins from the time of Christ. When they attempt to give their testimony, I ask them about Charismania. "They have testimonies too? Do you believe them?"
I'm a professional translator and former LDS. The argument that Joseph Smith comes up with that "as far as the Bible is 'translated' correctly" is a complete crock and it denotes lack of knowledge in what translation is in the first place. Translators are often sworn in like other professions are and back translations are often ordered to prove that the translations have been done correctly, back into the original language. Translators need to be very serious about their craft, especially since oftentimes they are translated into more languages, based on how accurate the first translation into a more prominent language is. It's a very serious profession that demands a lot from the linguist, with extensive research involved to make sure that the translation is being true to its source.
As a linguist, i absolutely get this
So you are saying that there are no bad translations? I know of a couple.
@@robertrosskopf4641 there are bad translations. whats your point?
that its proof that there's corruption?
you know how there's shitty editions of books that are reprinted? If you're a musician, you TOTALLY get this. The URTEXXT vs. a Chopin preludes etudes of the Peters edition from the first half of the 20th century--fingering is impeccable, paper is the best--
there are different editors--and yes--interpretations---but they aren't jazz musicians doing a random riff off of the theme as they think it up---its these people's profession. they take years. they are highly respected in their profession. many aren't even believers---because you don't have to be.
there are a few schools of thought with translations--
first--we need to clear up WHAT they are translating FROM---
ORIGINALS. from the first century...manuscripts bordering on 6,000---if you stacked them---they'd pile almost a mile high...not exaggerating.
these are the letters, homilies, original books and texts from Spain to Turkey and in between...all with the same message and preserved Word of God. It's not a game of telephone. This is God's Word.
SO...kinds of translations
1. Word for word from the Greek originals--direct Greek word for modern day English(substitute other language)one word at a time---and yes--every scholar and translator has access. EVERYONE...nothing hidden. Best preserved library since Alexandria.And God knows they have the money....
2. Phrase/Thought/Idea
Taking the meaning of the Greek text originals--and updating them for the same understanding in our modern day use of English vernacular.
3. A blend of the two. Some word for word and whole phrase understanding translations.
Their intentions, as they always have been--is to keep as close to the original Word as possible, while making sure that modern readers will understand the meaning--that it is PRESERVED....which is the point.
For example, "God looked pathetically upon the man"
old use of "pathetic" meant to have pity
today, it could be confused for a slander or criticism of God, to call HIM pathetic.
so its updated. Make sense?
I think there's this idea that the ONE book was translated so many times that it lost its meaning---but you forget we have the originals to check....your understanding of translation errors leans on that the knowledge was corrupted or lost because of this over time type of translation---
But....its not. Because....WE CAN CHECK...
we have the originals....so we know if there was an error in translation....all the way back to the first church fathers.
all this information is easily verifiable.
@@bcreel83 It's proof that Joseph Smith was right in saying that the scriptures are true, as long as they are translated correctly. It's a simple statement of fact. It either is true or it isn't. And you have just admitted that it is true.
However, your belief that we have autographs from the 1st century is demonstrably false. An autograph is the original, and not one autograph has survived to today. We don't have anything written in Paul's handwriting. In fact, some of the oldest documents that have survived (barely) are the Nag Hammadi, leather bound books found buried outside a church in Egypt. They date to the third and fourth centuries. And when we go back that far, we discover a Christianity that is far closer to the LDS church of today than it is to any other church. The Gospel of Peter tells about Jesus teaching the gospel in the Spirit World, a distinctly LDS doctrine. The Gospel of Phillip tells of the five mysteries of Christianity, which can be found in modern LDS Temples and/or meetinghouses. So all those really weird things that the Mormons do... were also done by ancient Christians. A graveyard in Egypt revealed the bodies of many early Christians, and they were wearing clothing very similar to the LDS priesthood garment. There is obviously a huge gap between the Christians of 200 Ad and Christians of today. It is like they belonged to a completely different church. And the idea that men can become gods? Several of the early Christian church fathers taught it.
@@robertrosskopf4641 Joseph Smith was an imposter and a con man
Who wrote books of Religious Fiction. with paganism and Gnosticism Theology
Anyone that believes Mormon Doctrine seriously should look at their own Salvation and get out to save their own soul
You can't buy or earn your way into Heaven
Great presentation. Ex-Mormon here, now Episcopalian. For me the kicker was studying early Christianity and discovering that Mormon doctrine had nothing to do with early Christian teaching. There was no Great Apostasy -- so no reason for a Restoration.
Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.
@@JohnDLee-im4lo😂 Did you watch the video? The Book of Abraham is a fake and your prophet was a fraud.
@JohnDLee-im4lo 😆 Did you watch the video? The Book of Abraham is a fake, and its author is a crook.
@@donatist59 ...yawn...
@JohnDLee-im4lo Honestly -- you defend that drivel? Joseph Smith discovered that the Hebrew word Elohim is plural and it sent him down a rabbit hole of silly 19th century philosophy. Go ahead and make a coherent argument for how the Egyptian text (which scholars can easily read -- it's a well known text) has the faintest connection to Smith's short story. And then explain how he got the facsimiles so spectacularly wrong, misidentifying canopic jars as non-historical "gods". And try responding with actual sources not hillbilly wisdom and polygamist anger. You can't blood atone me on the internet.
Thank you for making these videos Pastor Mike. I am a former Mormon and really appreciate someone addressing the flaws in the book of Mormon from a true Christian perspective. While I was struggling with my faith in the Mormon church, I was disappointed to see that the only critics of mormonism online tended to be atheists and skeptics. It made me feel like my only choices were to stay in the Mormon church or not believe in God at all. I still believe and I am glad that there are people like you showing others that they can too.
Of course a 'FORMER' member of the church would appreciate his biased videos.
@@davidfrey5654
There is no geographical, archaeological, historical, DNA or manuscript evidence for it. Why was the book of Mormon written in perfect Kings English from the 1600's when the book of Mormon took place hundreds of years BC? Why does the Book of Mormon talk about the church and Christ's atoning blood hundreds of years before Jesus was born? The early Jews that allegedly came to America lived as Christians and not Jews. How did that happen?
@David Frey
Sir, you mentioned you were navy ,thank you for your service.
Highlighting her past membership is considered an ad hominem, it misdirected the concern ; I expect better discernment from our nations service members.
Do you believe Christians who are not lds are destined for outer darkness? Can you show in the bible where that is so we can learn?
@Friendly Fire Actually, we Latter Day Saints believe that the only people destined for outer darkness would have to have had a “Saul on the road to Damascus“ 100% sure testimony of Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father and then deny that testimony and actively fight against God. In other words, it’s an extremely tall order to qualify for outer darkness and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ who follow traditional Christianity will not be there.
I can’t speak for all latter-day Saints but I feel toward other believers in Christ who aren’t latter-day Saints the way Jesus does:
Mark 9:38-40
“And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.”
It seems for the most part that traditional Christians are not with Jesus in this regard as to their feelings toward us latter-day Saint Christians. It seems like the vast majority of Christians feel that we “Mormons” are headed for eternal hellfire.
Do you count yourself among them?
Speaking of those headed for hellfire, perhaps you can give me the traditional Christian perspective on the eternal fate of those human beings who “didn’t accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior“ but were ripped apart limb from limb inside their mother’s womb before they were born, and before they had a fully formed brain to understand and “confess with their mouth“ that Jesus is Lord, and, since they were human and are therefore guilty of Adam’s “Original Sin,” they must necessarily being roasting in the flames as we speak, with their only crime having been unlucky enough to have been conceived by a mother who, for whatever reason, decided not to allow them a chance at life.
Given your doctrine, is this not what traditional Christians believe with regard to the eternal fate of aborted babies?
What say you?
@@WhatdoesthatReallymean-ps1knno babies and kids do not go to hell. We believe basically the same as Mormons do on the age of accountability, not that it's an age but when the person is cognizantly aware enough to know that he has sinned against God. And I also do believe that there will be many Mormons that go to heaven because they do believe that Christ died for their sins and he rose again on the third day without their sins. The problems of theology come in when Mormons say that God the Father and Jesus Christ were once just men and through many good works and ritualistic observances were able to go to the third heaven and ascend to become God and have their own planet. If a Mormon truly believes that then the Mormon God is much different than the biblical God. Because there are no other gods in all of existence besides God the Father and Jesus Christ his son and the holy Spirit, they are three and one
I left Mormonism after 47 years due to the lies and deception! I did my homework and found it all to be false!
14:44 I legit heard "Bring 'em young University" LMFAO
Brigham young university
Perhaps you heard correctly after all...
Actually, it's Breed 'Em Young.
@@rebeccacall7348 ROFL
I believe that is a Muslim institution
"That's my cat Maxie. She also thinks it's forgery."
I already planned on Subscribing but that quote solidified my decision.
The LDS will say
"How does one account for the millions of people who have felt the power of the Holy Ghost testifying to them the truth of the Book of Mormon and the restored gospel? Can such a wide variety of people, over centuries and around the world, be deceiving themselves in such a consistent way? If it’s wishful thinking, when else has wishful thinking led to lives of compassionate charity and devotion fueled by sacrifice and self-denial?"
But this argument could justify ANY religion. How does one
account for the millions of people across the centuries who felt the spirit of God move them to embrace Catholicism, or Protestantism, or Islam, or Hinduism, or Buddhism? Don’t these faiths also possess people with lives of “compassionate charity and devotion fueled by sacrifice and self-denial”?
If this argument proves Mormonism is true, then it also proves every other major religion is true, and therefore it becomes useless as a defense of Mormonism. This also applies to the LDS other argument: “If the Book of Mormon isn’t true, and someone prays about it, wouldn’t God clearly answer, ‘No! Get away from those lies and back to the Bible! Why wouldn’t God answer a prayer like that?”
So, according to this thinking, since God doesn’t often correct people who accept the Book of Mormon, that means the book of Mormon is true. Okay, but God doesn’t routinely correct people who dismiss the book of Mormon, nor does he usually tell people who read the Qur’an or the Catechism of the Catholic Church “get away from those lies!” Does that mean that Islam and Catholicism are true?
I agree that God can speak to someone’s heart to help him see the truth of the gospel message, but God also left us with EVIDENCE to help us determine when he actually has revealed himself. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says we should “test everything and retain what is good”, not that we should pray only about important matters of faith. When Mormonism is tested for historical accuracy and sound theology, it falls short in both areas.
ok question: with your logic since feelings dont matter then how do you know if the Quran is not true over the bible? considering they both claim to be divine?
JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS. THERE IS PROOF.
@@jaromsmiss Technically one cannot KNOW any religion is "true." Religion/spirituality is extremely subjective. One person believes the Qu'ran is "true."
Another believes the Bible is "true" Another believes the Book of Mormon is "true". Another believes the Bhagavad Gita is "true." It all comes down to the individual and the belief system one chooses to embrace.
@@marygreen2672 The "go to" verse for Christians is "Jesus became sin for us and bore our sins in his body on the cross, thus fulfilling the law." (2 Corinthians 5:21) “God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” Christians everywhere accept this as "true." Personally, I have chosen to be a Christian so I believe this to be "true." But that being said, it is my individual belief system.
@@kkheflin3, HAVE a blessed day. GOD is Great. 💜💜😇😇The devil is a liar and sometimes people believe what they want to believe. The flesh gets in the way of the spirit. There are many false prophets out there. People get spiritually blinded.
Thanks for an excellent presentation on the Book of Abraham! I grew up in the LDS church, but after I studied religion for 8 semesters at BYU, I felt I needed to “study” further. And even though this was back in the 1980s, I was able to research it without the internet. 😀 A few years later, I had left. LDS members, please don’t shut off your intellect when you’re studying.
Yes, Google it you've been lied to about the book of Abraham being false. Let's show you exactly how the magic trick fooled you.
@@paulgregersen3570it's honestly for me one of the easier things to refute the critics on.
weird I studied in less week compared blue book and couple different Bibles. Pretty obvious Old english 1600's in book lol
"LDS members, please don’t shut off your intellect when you’re studying."
Yes, absolutely. When I am not studying science or linguistics I also study my religion. I am delighted to have four holy books instead of just one.
Would you be able to change the title ? Im an ex mormon and they arnt allowed to watch anti mormon videos so the people who need the video the most ex. “Mormonism : the truth ?”
Great video! I am a former Mormon. I was that annoying missionary that went to your door and that believing Mormon that believed in Mormonism because a good Mormon just believes! And relies on the “Holy Ghost” for spiritual promptings.
Your next video should be on... If your a Mormon how to get out. And if you’re already out then great!
Then once your out what to do next if you still want to believe and follow Jesus.
Praise God. Pls start a YT channel to answer these questions. The more people that do this the better.
Raised Mormon I really appreciated your kind way of approaching this. You related well what it feels like as a Mormon to discover that years of Sunday School and Seminary failed to disclose my religion to me and at that time, believed I was an expert. I learned that this is one of many issues the church chooses to hide and cover up instead of face the facts that would challenge our faith. Polygamy is another untaught history, especially the fact JS married other Mens wives. Apologists will of course always put these in the best possible light, resort to hope for future explanations to answer many of these challenges (like where are the Lamanites today). We all do the best we can with the information we have and your understanding of that is a tribute to your Christian approach to assessing these issues. I am not an anti-Mormon, but I am pro-truth and you did a superb job of presenting accurate information.
I'm anti anti Christ
🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH🇻🇦
I guess this could be
considered my short testimony. I hope it might help someone out there. I was raised mormom. My entire family of over 30 are still so lost and my heart is breaking over this. I came out at age 16. I left the church because of how I was treated. I became a heroin addict for 17 years. Shortly after I found out the history behind Mormonism. The founders were freemasoms. They do masonic rituals in the temple! Have inverted pentagrams on it. It has so much corruption in it that I about had a nervous breakdown when I saw all this. Its satanic n they dont even know it. The claim it was written in his own hand is laughable...he was illiterate!! Oliver cowdry actually had to physically write it because joseph Smith obviously could not. After reading the true word of God I was born again. I'm still only attracted to women and it is immensely difficult to now deny the flesh bc I'm desperately in love with the girl I have been with the past two years. Luckily She is still my best friend!! My point is, is that If the bible can change a person this drastically its probably worth reading it right?? Jesus ( of the bible) is the only way to the truth in this mess of a world we live in. I pray for any who havent read it to please...just try....ask him into your heart. He truly is the only way to eternal life!! He will never leave your side, he is right there waiting for you to ask him into your life...I promise it will be the best decision you have ever made.. ..god bless😇🙏
Thank you for your openness and your comment.
Great testimony God Bless
It is so beautiful that you have submitted Your self with such love and devotion to Christ. Your words have literally brought me to tears and I can not wait to see you one day when we inherit Eternal Life with God. Then I can share with you what He has done for me.
God, I praise you right now for your unending love and mercy! Thank you God for letting me read this testimony. It is all for your glory that we have been saved. Amen.
Sorry, the inverted pentagram was stollen from early Christianity. Moon and stars are about Joseph's dream in the Bible. Not originally a cult symbol at all but Israel's. Your research is faulty. All Christian's were Mason's back in early America. Baptist, Lutherens, all Christian's even all the founders of the country. Washington, Lincoln Jefferson. It was an American fraternity and not a cult or even a religion. Almost everybody belonged to it. See how youve obviously been totally deceaved by Mormon haters because you simply donnot know your own true American history. Mormons were all converted from the other religions who were Mason's already. There is no masonry in the temple you've been lied to again. Baptism for the dead is not part of Masonry neither is eternal marriage, neither is doing geneology or temple covenents to Christ. No masonry there. You've been lied to be fake news. Even the handshakes come from ancient Israel not Masonry. Masons borrowed it from biblical covenents far older. You've been lied to about every single thing you've heard. Click my name and watch " LDS law suits why the critics lost in court" The claims were all false not one was correct including lies about polygamy all fake propaganda because you accept things without checking both sides. A wise person always test both sides before they talk. Are you honest or biased and predjudice? Let's find out.
@@paulgregersen3570That's a joke.
The inverted star is a symbol of the baphomet
and a part of the Knights of Templar they were accused of worshiping the devil and useing the occult
MY answer to Mormons is 1Gal 9. If any an preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
This may well offend them, but if they are honest it will at least cause them to think.
lol... the bible isnt true either
@@LilView you lie! Serpent!
It’s amazing how any Mormons can actually believe their region with how much evidence on the contrary exists. I left the church when I was 20 and learned the truth about the book of Abraham
Atheist say the same thing about the Bible.
@@wesbyEric Can you show me where or give me a Verse and chapter in the New Testament where Slavery is Condoned!???????
Any Educated person and or Christian Knows that the New testament Completely Over rules the Old testament.
@@Cornelius456 the Old Testament does not condone slavery in the way they say either. It was servitude, which is different.
@@thatonechristian2487 Correct. Theres even prescription for payment and treatment of these bondsmen and women.
Clearly eric wesby is someone filled with Pride who hates his earthly father and is now taking it out on his Heavenly Father.
What people like him truly hate is that even though he is filled with the spirit of spite and vengeance and claims not to believe in the Father etc, he Knows that the Father is there and Believes in him.
@@Cornelius456 Eph 5:5-8 Slaves, obey your earthly masters. Col 3:22-24 Slaves, Obey your earthly masters. 1Tim 6:1-2 Slaves to honor and respect their masters. 1Pet 2:18 Slaves, accept your masters authority. Titus 2:9-10 Slaves are to show complete and perfect fidelity. Go ahead and twist and spin and explain how these aren't slavey being condoned in the NT.
When I was a young adult(17-20 years old) I went to the Mormon church with my wife's family. It was different but what was very strange and what stuck with me was they seperated the men from women at the end of the main service. Then once I was apart from my wife they had asked if you were a newcomer to the church to introduce yourself to the congregation. When it was my turn I stood up and told everyone my name and the man at the podium stopped and asked me who I came to see. As sincerely as I could I replied Jesus. At that moment every man in the church (including my father-in-law) laughed at me as if to hint that Jesus wasn't there. I'll never forget the unwelcomedness that I felt in that moment. I'll also like to add that during the main service that was held not one time did they read from the HOLY Bible, instead it was mainly people's testimony on how they found either Jesus or how there faith in Mormonism pulled them through. Not that that's bad but it just seemed like everyone missed out on the literal word of God. Also it just seemed ungodly to seperate people's family during a time to fellowship with believers. I've been to the Mormon church a handful of times but the more I went the more I realized that the majority of the "elders" pretty much worship the works of the false profit Joseph smith and really don't consider the works of Jesus the Messiah (in whom they clame as there messiah). All that being said I would like to proclaim that the Mormon church is led by the unholy spirit of a false profit whom was filled with untrue concepts ideas and principalities. If you or a loved one is Mormon for the love of Jesus bring those people to a REAL church and show them what it means to feel the love and joy of the true Holy Spirit.
sorry that you were laughed at. if they knew how that made you feel, i am sure that they would take it back. i don't think that any harm was intended. and you are right...at times, sometimes we fail to read from the bible. though rare, it can happen sometimes. sometimes, we have bad sundays, just like we can have bad mondays.
@@Ether-pb5gb what would you propose the intent or even reasoning behind laughing at someone who came to a *church* to see *Jesus* would be?
@@bandilenzimande5253 this is from Ty Ember's post " When it was my turn I stood up and told everyone my name and the man at the podium stopped and asked me who I came to see. As sincerely as I could I replied Jesus. At that moment every man in the church (including my father-in-law) laughed at me as if to hint that Jesus wasn't there.".....I've been in thousands of these meetings, and I have seen thousands of visitors introduce themselves at church. The most common answer is that somebody came with a friend, or came into town to visit with family. I think the laugh was just because the answer given was so unexpected. It was an absolutely beautiful answer. In my mind and from my experience with thousands of these meetings, I imagine that the laughter could have been a light-hearted chuckle, just due to an unexpected answer. I personally don't think any ill-will was intended.
@@Ether-pb5gb I'm not a Mormon, but I agree with your speculation. However, how come he felt unwelcomed? Was nobody perceptive enough to tell him what was really meant?
Or the question asker, didn't say something like "that's a beautiful answer, but we meant...."?
They just laughed and that's it?
Anyway, we don't know what happened entirely.. so whatever..
But thanks that you're nice though.
@@Pyroverbs205 Apparently, nobody was perceptive enough to tell him what was really meant. Perhaps most assumed that he wasn't offended? Perhaps some were so entirely caught up in their own world, that the thought of taking notice to somebody else didn't cross their mind? Who knows.
Thanks, Mike. I was a Mormon for a long time and I appreciate your taking the time to lay all of this stuff out. God bless you!
Richard, I can tell that you feel strongly about this. Also, I have seen some people argue this from a Mormon perspective, but all of those arguments that I have seen so far have been really far fetched and not persuasive. Moreover, I personally believe that it’s silly to trust Joseph Smith about the Book of Abraham, especially where the historical records show that he lied about other things as well, such as not being married to more than one wife and being able to translate the Kinderhook plates.
Wow!’ That’s all I can say is just WOW!!
Your channel is EXACTLY what I've been looking for to get better at apologetics. Thank you for giving of your time and knowledge!
Frequently a person will say to me that the Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) missionaries have challenged them to pray about Joseph Smith's message and the Book of Mormon. But is this the proper way to determine if his message is truly from God? The Bible never says to test a prophet by prayer, but by his message. Deuteronomy 13 warns that a prophet must teach correctly about God. Chapter 18 tells us the prophet's prophecies must come to pass. Paul tells us in Galatians 1:8-9 that even angels can appear with a wrong message. We are to compare the message with the teachings of the apostles. In Acts 17:10-12, when Paul went to Berea to proclaim Jesus as the Messiah to the Jews, we read "these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Therefore many of them believed..." Note, Paul did not tell them to go home and pray about it. They were praised for searching the scriptures, in other words, testing the message to see if it agreed with the prophecies of the Messiah.
Note that John made an appeal to fact, not feeling, when he declared "that which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;...that which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us..." (I John 1:1-3) He continued in the next chapter, verse 21, "I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth...let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning...." Chapter 4, verse 1, "beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
Peter wrote specifically to warn about false teachers: (2 Peter 1:15-16) "Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty...." In Chapter 2, verse 1, he continues "but there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,...and many shall follow their pernicious ways..." Then in Chapter 3 he continues "this second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandments of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers..." Notice, he refers them to past teachings and facts, not to feelings or prayer.
The Mormons misuse James 1:5. That verse is for wisdom during times of temptation and persecution, not for knowledge or testing a prophet. He goes on to warn in Chapter 4, verse 3, about those who pray (and we assume it was in Jesus name) for the wrong things-"Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss..." This verse shows our own desires or misdirected ideas can play a part in the answer. If someone claimed God said we should rob a bank and give the money to the poor, would we need to pray about it? God has already spoken on the issue in the Ten Commandments. So why should we pray to know if God and Jesus appeared to Joseph Smith to show him that they are two totally separated gods with resurrected bodies? Or that there were gods BEFORE our heavenly father. (See Smith's sermons in the LDS History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 305-312, 474-476) Compare his sermons with Isa.43:10-11, 44:6-8, 24-25, 45:5-6, 18-24, 46:5-10. Joseph Smith contradicts Isaiah-which one should we believe? Christians test prophets, pastors, and teachers by the Bible. LDS test the Bible by their prophets. They go about testing the message backwards. The Bible was here first, therefore Joseph Smith must be tested by it, not the other way around.
Certainly a decision regarding our eternal life is the most important one we will ever make and deserves careful examination. Anyone meeting with the LDS missionaries should know both sides of the issue. There are plenty of facts from LDS sources to show that Joseph Smith taught false doctrine, lied about polygamy (even to his own wife), changed his revelations, gave false prophecies, etc. He hardly meets the test of a prophet. Truth will stand up to investigation.
Mark Peterman:
Thanks for this.
Another point. We don't have to pray for an answer to a question, when we ALREADY have the answer.
As we know the Book of Mormon is false, why pray about it?
Pray to give thanks, and pray when we actually need an answer.
Common sense should tell someone you don't just dig up a scripture from a lost civilization in your back yard.
“Evidence doesn’t matter. Just believe it!” I nearly fell out of my chair 😅😅😅😅
I have proudly been Mormon my entire life, until I saw this video yesterday and read this excerpt from History of the Church, vol. 2, pg. 329
“About twelve o’clock a number of young persons called to see the Egyptian records. My scribe exhibited them. One of the young ladies who had been examining them, was asked if they had the appearance of antiquity. She observed, with an air of contempt, that they had not. On hearing this, I was surprised at the ignorance she displayed, and I observed to her, that she was an anomaly in creation, for all the wise and learned that had examined them, without hesitation pronounced them ancient. I further remarked, that it was downright wickedness, ignorance, bigotry and superstition had caused her to make the remark; and that I would put it on record. And I have done so…”
I had always thought Joseph Smith’s example to be the most genuine and authentic, one to model after. I have read many, many books and articles all about his life. They were always published by the Church. If it wasn’t an official LDS Publication I didn’t associate myself with it. I loved Joseph Smith, I loved him like I knew him. Like he was a fellow Brother whom I could meet after this life. I made a promise to myself that anything I learned that was not in accordance with what the Church taught about Joseph Smith, I would further study and see how it was in fact false. So, when my wife sent me this video to watch I was prepared for his name to be drug through the mud and called a false prophet. I hoped to still be able to defend his name. I can’t believe it’s really true though. I never thought I could be convinced otherwise. @Mike Winger you said you couldn’t imagine what it’d be like to live as a Mormon and then learn about this. It’s happening to me right now and its just the worst. To learn that this Church I had wanted to give my life to was build on a shoddy foundation by a false prophet. The LDS Church has a hymn entitled “Praise to the Man” I used to well with tears in praise of the name Joseph Smith. Now I am distraught.
Also, thank you for giving links for what was discussed in the video. I’m glad to do my own research.
Friend, I'm pained that you are distraught. God is with the broken-hearted. I consider you to be lucky to have realised the deception of LDS. I pray that you may unlearn the falsehoods and embrace the true God. Blessings my friend!
I'm just here trying to do research to help my beloved cousin leave the LDS. What message do you have for him?
@@brigthebuilder5141 Thank you for finally being a LDS that proves me wrong! I knew some had to actually watch the videos they comment on!
Dude, I know how hard it is, I went through a strong atheism after my beliefs were questioned, then I was an agnostic, and now I'm in a bit of a weird position but I found God. you I recommend videos of Gary Habermas, Hugh Ross, William Lane Craig, John Lennox, Stephen Meyer. I send you a big hug, you are not alone, write me any questions you have
@@TheWatchmanWebsite the biggest factor for me was a promise I made to myself. That I would be open to real truth. I didn’t even go looking for ways to falsify the LDS Church. But because I wasn’t afraid of the truth, the Universe sent me exactly what would help me understand and see the changes I needed to make in my life. I am the better for it.
But we already knew about the Book of Abraham debacle, and if that doesn't convince people then nothing will.
As an ex-Mormon, this was interesting to watch.
The one true church is confirmed through God directly. Kind of silly to listen to a man argue lies and then suggest one should follow his lies mingled with scripture vs listening to God that confirms the truth of his one true church directly to each and every person that sincerely seeks to KNOW. Seek and ye shall find. There are those who follow Christ and those who are anti-Christ. It's really that simple. One can speak their own ideas of why they leave the one true church or they can follow God and KNOW his one true church is true. It's really that simple.
@@DellSchanze you have no idea what you are talking about
@@Bazcole93 That's the great thing about the truth I shared; it's backed by God himself. Each and every person on earth can KNOW the truth through God directly as his one true church comes with direct confimation of it's truth from God. Real prophets are also backed by God himself as is the Book of Mormon that also comes with direct confirmation from God himself. What backs your lies? More of your lies? Don't you know the liar shall be THRUST down to hell? Here you sit and lie about the one true church one earth that God himself confirms as true to each and every person??!!!
@@DellSchanze seriously? Mormon theology is verifiable false. A feeling in your stomach doesn't equate to affirmation from God
@@DellSchanze I'd love to know if you believe Jesus came to America
As an exmormorm I really had a hard time believing Joseph Smith was all he said he was......
He died with a total of $40,000,000,000 dollars adjusted for inflation... He was revered as a prophet and in his own words he was literally a god... “What does a man gain if he gains the world but loses his soul?” Only Jesus is the truth 🙏🏽
@@MrBumpalicious amen!!!!
@@MrBumpaliciousm
I've seen SEVERAL of your videos. WOW....you are an articulate speaker. Honest. Kind. Open minded. Eloquent. Nice job Mike!
@@richardholmes7199 YOU ARE DECIEVED.
Richard Holmes yeah..you are deceived. Praying for you..🤓🤓🤓
@@richardholmes7199 just like god
I just found you on you tube. So happy that someone didn't white wash or block any questions about the ISMS of Mormons. I finally got my letter to be removed from the lambs book of life. Some of the most conflicted people i have ever met. If they were real Christians they would be allowed to speak to anyone who left the church. Its more about the church then the people.
I also prayed to the holy spirit and was told NO when it came to baptism for the dead. I wish you would answer that truth, if God is oh so powerful and I believe He that he doesn't need us to worry about someones soul in the next life. My church went ballistic when I refused temple work. Nice people but the spirit doesn't speak to us all the same way. .
“Ancient records and hieroglyphics as old as Abraham or ADAM?!” I guess they were on the Ark with Noah?😂👌🏻
Is it possible someone snuck onto Noahs Ark? 😅😅
Oof😂
Abraham was after Noah
@@Sannosama Adam, as in the first human, was at least a thousand years before Noah. Hieroglyphs as old as Adam don't exist.
I said Abraham@@jaden_skywalker
Dear Mike, you did absolutely beautifully in your explanation because what you said, is heartfelt and hard hitting. I realize many Mormons as soon as they hear some of the negative will turn you off but it would behoove them to listen to the complete Video because it can really change their life in this life and for certain their life after they die and go out into Eternity. But as we can see you are reaching some Mormons that can see how false their teaching has been and are so willing to learn what is the truth. We are able to see that by way of many of the responses you have received from many of the Mormon people on this Video.
What saddens me that many Mormons on their own realize that they have been snookered so badly and that the Mormon church is only interested in their money along with all the other fake evangelist on Primetime TV. They then leave the church and become Atheist, this is so sad because they get out of a false teaching and they jump right back into another fake teaching, when they could just read Gods Word the Bible and with an open and contrite heart, they can go to God Himself and get the real truth and then be safe for all Eternity.
Mormonism is so contrary to what the God of the Bible teaches and so many cannot see that the Bible IS the true Gospel not the Book of Mormon or any of their other books from Joseph Smith.
Even as an atheist, I really appreciate good research, refuting Mormon fairy tales. I listened to the entire video and thought it was very well articulated. You're a gifted speaker. I share these with my Mormon friends. I would love some vids refuting Islam as well as more on the LDS
+tex959 As an atheist I would assume you think that what Mike believes in is just as false so I would assume that anything that disproves any religion makes you happy?
Wouldn't you say as an atheist that if the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham being true would provide more evidence for Christianity and God than if like you and Mike appear to believe they are false?
Luke Steele can you rephrase the question. I'm having a difficult time understanding.
+tex959 Sure
When someone Like Mike refutes something like the book of Abraham which claims to be scripture from God, he diminishes his potential evidence for God, and if he succeeds in disproving it his case for God becomes weaker so as a result you might be happy to have him weaken his own case. Where as if the claim that the book of Abraham is from God is true it would be evidence strengthening evidence for God. So I imagine that as an atheist it amuses you that Mike by trying to discredit potentially additional scripture actually hurts evidence for his own beliefs.
Am I right in assuming that?
Of course would you say that if Mike is wrong and the book of Abraham is from god then the case that there is a living God is stronger for it?
Just to be up front after listening to this video I don't think he effectively made his case against the Book of Abraham especially since I have also heard the evidence from the other side and it seems more reasonable than he portrays it. The UA-cam channel Mormon Challenges discusses this topic in depth from the perspective of actual Egyptologists and they are not making the arguments he claims in support of the Book of Abraham.
From my perspective there is no such thing as proof of anything for or against God only sufficient evidence to rationally choose to believe but not enough evidence to compel belief leaving us with deciding to believe or not.
David Wood has a great channel dedicated to refuting Islam
LUKE read the Bible. It is clear that nothing should be added to it nor taken away from it. So the "book of Abraham" can't be added to and still be legitimate. The case against it has nothing to do with God. It's just something old Joe Smith made up for his own aggrandizement.
Thank you so much, i was raised a mormon and am on my way out. Im from a very mormon family and it is very difficult to get away, but this kind of videos help me realize all the lies and rewire my brain. So again thank you so much
Did you leave?
I hope everything goes well with your family. Take your time
When choosing the right thing to do, and when, do it with love and in search of the truth. Remember:
When you’re hesitant because of the thought of difficulty or pain or loss of connections that is the threat of leaving the church and why they make it so incredibly hard...they use your family as a hostage. So, take your time. Don’t be impulsive or make decisions based on feelings or your current emotions. Always ask yourself:
. “What should it proffer a man to gain the world but lose his soul?”
Is a community’s approval worth the possible loss of salvation?
On your way out because you were tricked by anti Mormon lies. I can prove it.
@@paulgregersen3570 The facts in this presentation are not Anti-Mormon; in fact, this is Pro-Mormon. It gives the truth to the Mormon people. Mike is putting truth in the hands of Mormon people, something the Latter-Day Saint Church avoids at all cost.
@@jeffwalker357 Are you always so easily tricked by fake news? Do you watch CNN and think Trump is Hitler also. This video is way out of context with the provable facts in the Book of Abraham. What he is spinning doesn't even exist in the same reasons and context of the actual books purpose. Want to see the real context as to how it was translated absolutely correct and means something far different than what you've been told. Click my name on youtube and watch "Book of Abraham part 8 " and find out how clearly you were tricked by a totally made up narative. Also watch my videos part 2,6,and 7 and just do the math. You've been had guy, big time, and I will prove it to you. Or, do you want to run away thinking I'm the one who is wrong. A wise man always tests both sides before taking any side of a complex issue. Maybe you don't want to know? If so you'll spend your life wondering.
Please pray for my supervisor at work. He is lost and blinded by a lifelong of twisted truth. I know God can save him and his wonderful family. ✝️❤
I watched a video in which an LDS man said that he could prove that the Book of Mormon was true because the book had gone through some sort of analysis which indicated that Joseph Smith had not written the book. Well, duh. Even if Smith had not written the B of M that doesn't mean the book is true. Someone else could've written the book or a group could've done it. What's important is what the book contains. If it had untruths or errors it can't be true by any means, no matter who wrote it.
I'm speaking to a LDS tomorrow. I'm 24 and he is in his 80's. I hope God helps this man.
How did that go?
@@manasseh7 Unfortunately, that night he went to the hospital and passed away shortly after... I cried after hearing the news. My hope is that he was saved but only God knows. I trust that the Lord knew what we would have spoke about and if anything I would have said could have made a difference for his afterlife, God would have given the chance.
I have a catholic for a brother and a Mormon for a best friend. These subjects are very close to my heart please keep 'em coming!
@@richardholmes7199 what info
@@richardholmes7199 hey buddy, as an RM, church history researcher why are you lying by saying the info from the egyptologists is debunked? Please cite your sources bc you have no credibility. Is it debunked bc you/they “feel” in your hearts that the BoA is true? That doesn’t work anymore!
@@richardholmes7199 debunked in 2014 by whom? By someone just "saying so"??? Why do you give more credibility to those that "debunk" it rather than those that have done the investigation into revealing the truth? It seems you have just decided to choose who you "feel" has more credibility and I would say it is because you are a Mormon you automatically side on the one that fits your belief.
I've heard some people say that the "globe earth" has been debunked when that is just nonsense. You can't debunk something that has solid evidence such as the globe earth. Flat earthers will give more credibility to those that debunk the globe earth than to to those that try to debunk the 'flat earth'.
You can pick whatever side you want, but in the end, truth always wins. It's just up to you to accept it or ignore it, makes no difference to the rest of us where you spend your eternity. If you have already chosen hell, that's on you, not anyone else.
@@waynelodge310 He probably means Paul Gregerson, but he didn’t refute the Egyptologists. He admitted it’s a funerary scroll.
@@thatonechristian2487🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH🇻🇦
Hey,Pastor Mike..just wanted to say i find your channel infinitely interesting..I'm a theology nerd,and i love listening to you,bc you bring theology into the language of the common person,and 'flesh it out'. I grew up Southern Baptist,and for yrs,my best friend was a girl who was raised LDS..i remember in 4th grade she tried to tell me that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers...we had a very...lively...debate,lol. She was a total sweetheart,and i guess it was us still being kids that made our faiths inconsequential to our friendship. I haven't seen her since elementary school(Her family moved to Salt Lake City),but i wonder how she's doing sometimes.
Not just believe it on truth. But if you question it they get VERY VERY CREWEL, ANGRY AND HATEFUL
We will be persecuted by the world for sharing the truth. However, we cannot be liars nor should we.
@@c.w_ sharing what truth? Truth is different to those that are Jehovah's Witnesses, compared to Catholics, compared to Seventh-day Adventist, compared to Muslims, compared to Universal Unitarians, compared to Scientologist.
What truth?? How can anyone be 100% they have the PURE truth when only the Bible contains that?
If anyone disregards the Bible as 100% truth, then we have that basis to know they aren't following the truth at all.
@@waynelodge310 yes exactly. Truth only comes from the Bible. If the LDS change the Bible and the core idea of Christianity and even Abrahamic faith in general, then it is absolutely false. Just as we’re told in the beginning of Galatians 1. God bless
1. You misspelled “cruel”
2. All of the Mormons I know are really sweet and understanding, even when I poke them for questions.
I've never experienced that. I mean if you're rude to them they might get defensive but they are literally known as the nicest people and I've seen that too.
I thank you for your passion in trying to teach and spread what you believe as truth. I do have a couple observations that I would like to share. I noticed that the extent of your research mainly covers the obviously disputable opinions of the controversy. Like you said... Even the Mormon church acknowledges its errors and controversy. BUT.. I did not hear you mention any of the other things that have shown to be more accurate then initially thought among Egyptologists. You stated that if Joseph Smith was able get the translation correct then you may even be Mormon. What if he had dozens of things that are accurate, that he had no way of knowing, and Egyptology is making those connections... would that be something to think about? One small example is that Joseph correctly translated the God Elkenah. Joseph had no way of knowing this, yet modern day scholars have confirmed it to be a god worshiped during Abraham's time. Here is an article written that points out many things that Joseph Smith could not have known, but have shown to be related and accurate regarding to the discoveries about Abraham within the last decade. This even includes a Facsimile discovered that is similar to Joseph's Facsimile tying Abraham to that ceremony. www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/boa.shtml . Also, I encourage anyone to read the entire response of the LDS Church on their website as Mike really only highlighted the things that helped prove his case.
Regarding Joseph's own deciphering of the Egyptian language; it was not his prophetic objective to decipher the Egyptian alphabet. That was him showing just how uneducated he was, in his own curiosity as a young man. Imagine if you actually had divine inspiration in this matter. I myself would probably try, and horribly fail, to decipher the language based upon what I was given from god. This does not prove that he was lying about what he was inspired to translate. It was documented and know that he spent much of his time trying to decipher the language academically... but it was never testified that this is how he translated the Book of Abraham.
I want to touch on what I believe is a main problem to this. I believe that Mormon culture puts too much emphasis on how great Joseph Smith was; some may even call it perfection. I think Joseph Smith was far from perfect and that he did and said things that where not reflective of his role as prophet. In many controversial topics, we tend to find a fib or falsehood and use it as evidence that all of it is corrupt or false (similar to a defense attorney at law). We use the same process to convince ourselves of what we believe as truth. It is a never ending struggle to look at all facts, opinions, and evidence in any controversial subject. It is human nature to chose a belief, and then ignore any controversy of that topic.
I could continue, but realize that I have written enough. I want to emphasis that to almost every belief that someone has... someone else has "evidence" as to why it is wrong. I just wanted to share my thoughts and hopefully some of you will read the linked article, and the entire response from the church on its website. There is more this is argument then what is covered in this video. I cannot fault the LDS church for falling back to Faith as a principle of its belief; for that is the foundation that Christ built his church upon.
what is this whole thing i keep hearing about hat makes Joseph seem like he was ignorant, illiterate, or unable to have access to this information? Buy his own journals, his mothers, his wife Emma's...and then his own friends including Oliver---who talk a lot about his fascination with mysticism--which involved seeing with your third eye bye fasting for three days and then drinking a lot of beer, going into a barn and saying "do you SEE!"
ummmyes, joseph...i think i can s---
."NO! LOOK WITH YOUR SPIRITUAL EYE!! ....youcan't see it for reals guys...you gotta feel it wit your third eye....drink some more beer..."
all i can think oif is the guy from south park with the man bear pig episode:
DO YOU SEEE!
do you SEE!
@ Povell. Believe what you want.
All your rehash spin by Gee and Friends is nothing more than articles of false findings. But that's their job they get paid to give false hope
I've research Smith's books and there nothing more than Religious Fiction . I'm surprised people still buy in to a gospel than doesn't save you.. I've check all your claims and they are False claims
If you want the truth , look up
Dr. Robert Ritner the professor is well renowned among Egyptologists
Gee was actually a student of Dr.Ritner
The Professor recently.wrote a rebuttal to false claims that were made that he didn't even know about till the article hit his desk
Its this Mormon deception that frankly hurts your Church
Nothing is new under the Sun
1842 the BOA.was Religious Fiction and when Judgement comes it will still be Fiction
Peace
Mormon are raised to know it true. A 3 year old kid will get up and tell the whole congregation they know it is true.
This is Dunning-Kruger effect. And most will never look for a new truth
That's not the Dunning-Kruger effect
Spot on. Add epigenetics and mental shaping to the equation, AND one may discover that this church is involved in the highest levels of the BITE method.
Yeah I think all of Christianity is fake. The line of power in Catholicism has been broken so many times that there’s no way they have any kind of power. Since every other Christian group is just a splinter off of Catholics, there is no true church. So Mormonism is plausible.
@@xFoundx I used to think there had to be some line of authority when I was a mormon but that's also a deception. Catholic church is false doctrine as well with the mediator being Mary. Instead think of it as Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father which means Jesus Christ's authority straight to you, no need for anyone else or authority passed from person to person. It's Jesus Christ and you personally.
There is only one true religion, and you must pray a lot and be open in order to find it. Is that truth simple enough?
They came to my house 3 days ago and gave me 2 books but something was off about 4 kingdoms and my church reads the holy bible and when I did research it’s all false
You mean the three degrees of glory? It actually comes from 1 Corinthians 15 in the Bible
Do a comparrison between Joseph Smith and Muhammad
I feel like Joseph was a con man, meanwhile Muhammad was demon possessed.
@@irsshill4502 both are demon possessed smith way more and muhammad was somewhat right.
Joseph Smith is a true prophet of God so he NEVER EVER asked people to blindly believe his words and said to ONLY accept direct confirmation of the truth from God as the real truth. All liars never ever direct people to God for confirmation as they are not backed by God and only have their lies to back their previous lies. So it's very very simple to see the clear and obvious difference between true prophets like Joseph Smith and all liars as true prophets are backed by God and will always directly you to God to confirm who they are and the truth of what they share while all liars demand you ignore God and just believe their lies.
@@yaruqadishi8326 lol so you lie blatantly with zero way to back your lies because they are only lies. For those that want to KNOW the truth simply pray and ask God for confirmation of which was a true prophet as God will in fact confirm the the truth of his true prophets. It's very very simple. Seek and ye shall find. Who gives one crap about some liar on the net claiming true prophets follow demons? How does that have anything at all to do with truth? It doesn't! Those who follow God know that it's ONLY through the Holy Ghost that man may KNOW the truth to all things so those like Yaru have nothing but lies to back their previous lies while those like Joseph Smith have God himself to back who he is as he is in fact a true prophet. Seek and ye shall find.
@@DellSchanze dumbass I sought and I found and I found a far more than I needed to know but over exposes him as a fraud and a satanist.
Thank you again for another awesome video. I copied your link and I posted it to other LDS youTube channels.
Some are called to preach the Gospel on street corners and some are called to peach & share the truth on other false teachers UA-cam channels. God bless you brother
your cat scared me! It was a very dark subject in that moment :D great info. Didn't know about this.
Beautiful video, but unfortunately with this title i can't share it with any mormon friends and family. it gets rejected right away just by reading the title...
hope @mike winger can make a clone video with a different title
Mormon apologist Kwaku did a video on this. I thought there was a lot of mental gymnastics happening there. I would love a response to his video. thanks!
I came here from that video. Mental gymnastics? More like mental origami. I couldn't finish it. It hurt my brain.
I'm having some Mormons over to chat about theology and philosophy. Thanks for helping me prep. I'll be really nice about it by just curiously asking questions that lead up to these points.
*Ram* Did your meeting take place yet? How was it set up...friends from work, you simply met out in the market place s/where, then knocked on your door, etc?
@@Kman. They are missionaries who came to my town knocking on doors. That's how we met. They did come back over for our scheduled talk and things went very well. I took the Socrates approach and asked them many questions that led up to points that I made about what prevented me from converting. I gave them allot to think about, clearly contradicting their expectations of our chat. I have them reason to doubt "feelings" for spiritual affirmations, made a point about Gods ability to preserve his word so as to not need correction and put it on their hearts to consider Deuteronomy 4:2 and Revelations 22:18-19 by extention. "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish ought from it"
They are scheduled to come back in a few days. Round #2! Lol.
I literally just sat in my front yard about 10min ago and I brought up these scriptures and ask what do they think about them, and they quoted these exact 2 verses as their rebuttle?! Like yes those are there.
How'd it go? Round 2?
@@richardholmes7199 yeah okay, how?
This combines 2 of my favorite things, deep discussion and proof of forgery, and appearance of a big fluffy cat during live stream!
Yep! The “burning in the bossom” experience is their go to for believing all things in mormonism. I was raised mormon and it’s all about finding out yourself if the Book of Mormon is true by praying to “God” if its true.🥴 so frustrating! We KNOW the enemy and his demons can give people “great, wonderful” feelings.
That's so true. He can disguise himself as an angel of light - 2 Corinthians 11:14.
It is true that demons can turn themselves into angels of light but they cannot appear as angels of God. Angels of light are only references that they can become visible enough to be seen by the naked eye and not as angels of God.@@erikmartinez6726
regarding them saying 'i believe in my heart ' answer they give ,i always quote jeremiah 17:9 to them
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
And I quote the words of Christ
Matt 16 [17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
Good, a bit of proof-texting and bible bashing! Accomplishes nothing but it's fun like a video game, before there were video games.
Exactly why I left Mormonism, because evidence doesn’t matter. And why I remain a Christian, because the evidence for the Bible and its God has withstood my greatest efforts to test its validity
I love this message. I left this church within the last 2 years because of research I did too. I’ve Been a member for 46 years. Never learned anything about the Bible, just the BOM. Because of a medical procedure making me stay home, I asked God, What am I supposed to learn from this? More than once. Long story short, I was to pick up the Bible and study it. I also decided to check out the beliefs of the LDS church and its beginnings, and Joseph Smith. What I learned was eye opening and my decision was made. My son is a strong member, we just don’t talk about it. But I am so much more happy now, and feel like I’m more of a child of God than ever before. My Bible study has brought me very close to my Father in heaven, we are best friends and I feel His presence with me everyday and I speak to Him everyday, my prayers have been answered, I pray for wisdom and understanding of all I’ve learned. I’m extremely grateful for His presence, guidance, and love, and for guiding me into the right direction.
23:47 "Messenger of Satan to buffet me." I've been looking into different perspectives about Paul's thorn so I found that particularly hilarious 😂
I just left the church and this is very helpful thank you
Richard Holmes snore. What do you DO all day?
@@richardholmes7199 match up how? Please...tell me you mean the footnotes and the noted images with the text....*crossing fingers*
@@richardholmes7199 Since you are making the claim the burden of providing proof for said claim falls on you. I'm not a Mormon and have never been so inclined. But I can only imagine with these posts that you make people run quickly away with your harshness and rudeness.
Earl Erskine a bishop and a member of the Mormon church for over 60 years exposed on 2012 how Joseph Smith alter the Book of Mormon. He gave a testimony of how he discover some discrepancies on the Book of Mormon he read from different years. His testimony is a very informative! I came across his videos when I was doing research about the true background of the Mormon church. The Bible says that many false Prophets will rise Matthew 24:11…and it also say: you will know the true and the true will set us free on John 8:32…other eye opening verses are Galatians 1:8-9.
We’re can I get the quotes from the Dr.s and Egyptian historians that you read?
Im really trying to find content in support of LDS and it is hard. I am in shock though from your content against it, and this comment section put me in awe from all the conversion stories. I am really impressed. I am a Christian with some training the biblical theology through my university... a Mormon invited me to church last weekend and I said I would visit, so I am going to go see what their service is like this Sunday. These videos and other readings have helped me feel more prepared for that. Great content!
Can you do a video speaking about Seventh-Day Adventism soon?
same thing, fraud, concocted against the American people, sad.
If you want to know about the Seventh Day Adventist... read and study your Bible.. with the scripture open, humble heart. The Holy Spirit will lead you through it . don’t rely on U tub... my advice
@@marjtv9693 They would have to know what the S.D.A. teaches, so they would have to study it's history and books of fundamental beliefs.
Only problem is, their beliefs were never firm and kept changing and from their beginning to this day they have been stuck in internal doctrinal controversies and debates.
Adventists from different areas and churches will give you different answers to fundamental issues, such as the Godhead ( Trinity versus Binatarianism), Salvation ( Faith in Christ only versus keeping the 10 Commandments, especially, 7th Day Sabbath), Is the Papacy anti-Christ, is the Holy Spirit a separate person or just the spirit of Christ, and on and on.
They will all use the Bible and the writings of their" "messenger "Ellen G. White.
Studying them thoroughly becomes a rabbit hole of confusion which is unresolved because Ellen White's writings are vague, shifting and straight up wacky at times.
Why would you say not to rely on UA-cam ?
Hopefully no one would use it as their only research source and rely on it alone, but as one source among many, it is very useful.
S.D.A. is a very strong delusion and creates a lot of self-righteous Ellen White die hard fans.
After committing to know the Truth at all costs I became firmly convinced that the SDA pioneers were raised up by God to be the final phase of the Reformation; there were still some doctrinal errors that needed to be exposed and corrected.
@@truthbebold4009 amen. brother. r u sda too?
Hey mike can you do a video on Seventh-day Adventist Church when you get the chance of course 🙂
Just remember one thing ... ALL religion is false and all true Christians should flee these dens of wolves.
Follow Jesus only.
Jesus is the way and He never said that religion was the way nor that if we want to follow Him that we should pick a brand of corrupted worldly religion to follow.
There needs to be video exposing religion altogether.
God bless.
Praise Jesus.
Wouldn’t Abraham be writing in Hebrew not in Egyptian hydrographic?
Actually abraham spoke "akkadian". Not sure if it is aramic or close to it.
Curious that the cat showed up during the discussion about the Egyptian Book of the Dead
Bast had to get a word in, and the word is MEOW!
😂 even cats know it wasnt a "translation"
I love this video. I grew up in the Mormon church and as a child and teenager I asked so many questions about things like this - craving more concrete information than we were given. I got a lot of, "If we were supposed to know that, God would tell us. Take it on faith."
You're spot on about how Mormons discern truth, based on what they feel to be right, but it's not even that. We were taught to believe whatever church leaders came out with and that we had a right to know that truth too, through the holy spirit. But if the answer we got was different than what the leaders told us, we were supposed to "pray" until we got an answer that matched what the leaders told us. In this way we learned not to trust ourselves.
Perhaps the worst part, and the reason I believe Mormonism exists today, is how a faithful Mormon cannot do any research into the validity of the church. In fact, one of the questions you must answer to be worthy of entering the temple is if you read anti-mormon literature or have associations with people who are against the church. So most Mormons will not look at or listen to anything that sounds critical or questioning of the church. And missionaries are taught that if they meet someone who is not swayed by their teachings and provides an argument that challenges their faith, to leave for their own salvation and pray that that person's "heart may be softened." There is a whole lot of interweaving in the Mormon church, which is why it is so challenging to leave. They teach you in a way that you literally hold yourself in your own prison of ignorance and interpret your cognitive dissonance as spirituality once you dismantle your own mind.
Thanks for leaving on your own...we would have thrown you out eventually.
*_one of the questions you must answer to be worthy of entering the temple is if you read anti-mormon literature or have associations with people who are against the church_*
I was never asked about reading anti-Mormon stuff. And I was asked if I sympathized with any groups that were against the gospel or the church.
*_And missionaries are taught that if they meet someone who is not swayed by their teachings and provides an argument that challenges their faith, to leave for their own salvation_*
The missionaries are not there to argue. They are there to present the gospel, and that's it. If the people they come into contact with want to argue, they can go find someone else to argue with. They should just leave and move on to someone not so contentious.
Incredible comment op
you go to there temple or church and dont feel the holy spirit.
I always felt uncomfortable in mormon church and praise God I never got a temple recommend.
Thank you for not attempting to visit a temple.
@@thomasmaughan4798 They are Demonic places.
@@GuitarTunings33 Thank you for not attempting to visit a temple.
@@thomasmaughan4798 I thank God I left the church before going to one of those unholy places. Why are you thanking me?
Mike, could you make a video on either how the Bible and the Book of Mormon are contradictory or on why baptism is not required for salvation.
I’m convinced that only God can convince Mormons that they are believing a false gospel. I’ve tried everything to speak to them and even showing them how Jesus and Joseph smiths gospel are completely different they still resort to…”I know the Book of Mormon is true because I asked God when I read it and he revealed it to me. We know if you read this book you God will reveal it to you too.”
I have read it and God said it’s false… that doesn’t matter to them though.
They are really brainwashed bro
As an ex mo say thank you ! I wish I had the internet when I left. PTL however I have Jesus now!
God bless!
Praise Jesus.
There's only one true religion, and you must pray much and be open if you want to find it. I can't tell you what it is, because this truth I gave is simple enough. Can you act on the need to find truth?
Peter Butler
Of course you can tell us. I’m wondering why you don’t.
@@peterbutler9068 we dont need to be in a religion but in a relationship.wirh Jesus. Father's statues are in the Torah. Not in no new.made up Doctrines. Keep the Sabbath day Holy. 4th comandment remember that . noone was giving authority to change it to Sunday. The LDS.did just what the RCC did. Through JS.
I'm sorry you are being deceived ;(
I think you're the first person I've heard mention ahnsahnghong. I had a couple of guys from WMSCOG come to my door and it was the first time I'd ever heard about that religion. We talked for about an hour but they had to leave so I invited them to come back. I did some research on them and was much more prepared to talk to them when they returned. The main guy was very angry at me by the end of our conversation and he stormed off. I talked with them about 3 hours. It was a crazy experience. They believe some totally wild stuff. They absolutely refused to look at certain parts of the Bible with me. They insisted we only look at what they wanted to look at.
This was an amazing exposé. I may be late to the game, but I'd not heard about all of this before (the Pearl of Great Price, Smith translating hieroglyphics, etc.). So fascinating and beautifully laid out, Pastor Winger. I want to mention, also, that I love that, when your beautiful cat showed up, you were very sweet to her and went with the flow. I remember a live feed I'd watched a while back: when that person's cat showed up (just sat on the couch next to the lady and didn't climb around), she got an angry look on her face, literally hit the cat first, and then pushed it down with a good amount of force. She kept a scowl on her face for some time afterwards, still mad at the cat, I suppose. The hitting and hard push were completely uncalled for, in my opinion, and that made me see her differently. Thank you for your kindness towards Maxie. God bless!
At 76, i've only been in the LDS for 4 years as a result of being caught out at the time I lost my wife to ALS. We were both Buddhist and guess I still am but I now know why I just couldn't get the apparent buzz those I met in the church had. I have had my suspicions the whole time. Thank you for shining the light on the things I found difficult to accept. I'm out......
Thank you Pastor Mike for posting this I was really confused I don't go to the lds Mormon church anymore thank God
It's only through the Holy Ghost that man may KNOW the truth to all things so here you suggest following lies from a child of hell above God himself is something to be thankful for? Again you lie so blatantly. In the one true church the truth is always backed through direct confirmation through the Holy Ghost. So claiming one should "believe" children of the devil like Mike above God himself are those who follow the devil.
@@DellSchanze No one should believe Mike or Joey Smith as we have the Bible to help us believe.
But through the Bible, we can expose those like Joey that are from the devil and reveal that Mormons follow the seed of anti-Christ.
It is obvious from basic study that when the B/M and D&C can't even agree on basic doctrine, it reveals that entire organization is not very well organized and very confused about the Bible.
@@waynelodge310 You know nothing about God or the Bible and just let the devil make a complete fool of you. The Bible says clearly that it's ONLY THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST THAT MAN MAY KNOW THE TRUTH TO ALL THINGS! So pretending you don't need God and can just make up lies and pretend the Bible says things it doesn't shows exactly why people need to listen to the Holy Ghost and not liars like you. God will confirm that Joseph Smith is his true prophet to anyone that wants to KNOW! Liars like you and Mike have only your lies to back you. The Bible perfectly backs the Book of Mormon and the true church. Again not a single soul needs to blindly believe me 9r any man as all truth like what I've shared is backed by God directly. This is why liars like you and Mike lie against the Holy Ghost as your lies don't work when each person actually follows God directly as they should. If you could get truth from the Bible without God then why are there thousands of false churches as making up different absurd translations to the Bible? The one and only true church and all true prophets and disciples of Christ are backed by confirmation through the Holy Ghost directly. So you and other children of hell can lie about Joseph Smith all day long but it amounts to zero when those with some sense only accept confirmation from the Holy Ghost as the actual truth. Liars lie and the real truth is confirmed to each person directly through the Holy Ghost. Its that simple and perfect.
PRAISE the Lord
You've touched on it elsewhere, can you please make a video about "testing the spirits," specifically? I find that to be a concept in this day and age that is almost unheard of. I have so many around me that go, "well it doesn't seem bad. God isn't making me feel bad about it." Or specifically, many catholics, "Well this Marian apparition is pretty real, I was there...."
Interesting video. Do you have any videos discussing the meaningful alterations made to the New Testament manuscripts or the contested authenticity of some of the letters attributed to Paul?
This video was 5 years ago, and, like a newspaper from the future, i predict massive success for your ministry! Past 500k subscribers and growing! Keep it up. For the Kingdom! ( that should be the refrain nowadays. Like " remember the Alamo", but different!
Hey Mike, love the videos especially these live streams. You are the only preacher I’ve seen that actually focussed on balance rather than extremes. That being said I would like to see both the atheist and false healers debunked.
First he's got to debunk the Book of Abraham. All he's doing is debunking the wrong context that has nothing to do with the meat of the subject matter. He builds a straw man then he attacks it as if a real problem was being debunked. He's so far away from what this is actually about it serves as a mere distraction only. I guess if you do not care about two sides of the story your happy with hearing the lie. I'll give you the real story.
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The Bible is the Word of God. That's the end of the story.
@@paulgregersen3570 lol thats an easy hole in one. anyone can do that.the book does it to itself. its embarrassing.
@@paulgregersen3570 do you even know what Sraw Man arguments/fallacies are?
Go ahead. Define it. I'll wait.
@@paulgregersen3570 dear Lord in heaven ... if you could ...FOR ONCE deliver on the promise that you'll give the real story and explanation on any of the 50 mormon videos with multiple subscriptions that you comment on ....every other day or at least weekly---without copy pasting like you usually do---YOU NEVER HAVE ONCE EVER EVER explained anything.
ALl you do is say "watch this video by the backyard professor"---which is terrible advice because he's little better than you--meaning--he addresses the subject when you won't even go near any of them---at all. I've never once read anything you've put out there that said "This part of the book of Abraham is true specifically because of this passage, that clearly states this:..."
you haven't even tried to do that. you spend so so so much time, thinking you have this mission to save the LDS people...while you just end up looking nuts...unless that's your intention, then keep it up!
With all the hours every single day that you spend commending and copy pasting the same 5 paragraphs...why don't you just spend one day a week studying the things you believe so that you can defend them YOURSELF. At least you can do that. ALl you're going to do is point someone to another video, or call them names (hint: that'll help you with your definition of the Straw Man fallacy---you should use your beloved youtube to educated you on Deductive Reasoning and Fallacies.. I'm sure there's an infographic cartoon version. Not to knock them--they are pretty good---and short--because i know you don't have the patience to explain things without calling people names.
Ok. I've got a few other things to entertain myself with. I'll hear from you soon, I'm sure.
BYE friend!
Luckily, before there was the internet, my best friend's mom took me aside and explained all this to me at 13 years old. I never told my parents what she said as I knew they wouldn't let me go over to her house anymore. But, I just couldn't believe in Mormonism anymore after that. I was still forced to go to church til I was of legal age but my friend taught me the truth underground til then. At 18 I left and never looked back. Now that there is the internet I am going how did that Lady know all this back then without any real resources?!
Hope to see you do More Mormon videos Soon. These videos can really help them.
Richard Holmes I would love to see that proof. Any resources or references you can share?
Could you send a link to where you got the image of Joseph's dairy?
I've been trying to leave the Mormon church for a while now. My parents keep telling me to keep reading the book of Mormon keep going to church and eventually I'll know for my self. Any way to explain to them Im not religious any more but still spare their feelings? I could use some help.
I hope you won't abandon the idea of God completely. There is peace and joy and love to be found in a relationship with Jesus outside of the LDS church. Please read the New Testament with a new perspective. Try the English Standard Version of the Bible and it will be easier to read than the KJV (you can use a Bible app or find a Bible at Christianbook.com). You might also enjoy reading the Action Bible (you can find it on Amazon). Also check out DLM Christian Lifestyle videos on UA-cam to answer questions about God and about being a Christian. I wish you a wonderful journey with God.
Try living the gospel as an experiment and evaluate how it impacts your relationship with God, Jesus and your parents.
Thanks Mike.
Just found you last week.
Love the way you love God and Bible.
I used to be JW but left since their focus is Governing Body instead of Jesus as Acts 4:12 say Jesus is the only name given to men by which we can be saved.
I am just too late to watch this video. Its been one of my questions about LDS since i was a little girl. Thank you so much for explaining.
I'm in the middle of TRYING to watch a youtube video of ""LDS"/Mormon "scholars" trying to defend Joseph Smith's stone-in-a-hat method in translating the Book of Mormon. How can learned people believe this stuff?
I never got the issue with the hat story. He was just blocking light so he could see the message on the stone/interpreters. Given how we do the same thing with our cell phones in bright sunlight, it's not so odd
I was born into the Mormon Church.... One thing I remember hearing over and over again in mantra like fashion was: "We believe in the Bible.... As far as it is translated correctly...." Kind of ironic considering the made up "translation" of the Book of Abraham and the apparently ripped off Book of Mormon.
I believe in the Book of Abraham...as far as it's correctly translated.
My son's Mother is a Mormon and she says it is true. I have said to her "Just wanting it to be true doesn't make it so"
Being that Abraham lived in the old kingdom. Is it true that the Egyptian hieroglyphics Were a little different and the old kingdom opposed to the due or middle kingdom With that said how could Joseph Smith have translated it anyway
I just love how our true scriptures have stood the test of time and diligent scrutiny!! Praise God!!!
Are you talking about just the bible or the other mormon scriptures?