I hate to have to make this video. These are the lies two Christians are spreading about me.
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
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Since both Tim Hurd and Doctrinal Watchdog seem to think that I am only now changing my views because of a response to their criticisms, here are a bunch of old clips of me having these views long before their videos every came out.
Here is the MacArthur clip:
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This clip is about being "slain in the Spirit," how self-control is a fruit of the Spirit, and how you still should have control over yourself, according to Scripture, while speaking in tongues:
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This second clip is about being "slain or drunk in the Spirit" and "unknown utterances." Specifically, how "there's no biblical foundation" for being slain in the Spirit:
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My shorter video called "Spirit-Filled: What it Does and Doesn't Mean":
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Why I don't use people's preferred (and untrue) pronouns.
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Why I would not attend a same-sex wedding:
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This clip against living a homosexual lifestyle (in addition to my 4-part series):
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The green text at the end of the video also says, "Winger also told Joel Webbon of Right Response Ministries that Christians are [not] obligated to keep the 10 commandments."
Here's that clip in context. It should be clear that I am not saying it's ok for you to murder people. Nor is my view so strange. John Piper holds the same view.
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Since Doctrinal Watchdog has also claimed that I have no problem with female pastors and teachers, I will provide related clips. Though I would nuance my views more than he wants me to, this is definitely a deception.
This clip is stating that women are not to be the teaching elder of the fellowship and that "women are not to take the role of lead pastor or teaching elder, and to have that position as a woman would be what 1 Timothy is saying not to do." And that it's "God's ordained structure for men and women."
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Reiterated here that women are not called to the pastoral role:
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You can also check out my whole Women in Ministry series to see my views.
This clip giving my position on "By His stripes we are healed" and if that relates to physical healing for us today. Another point where I disagree with Bethel:
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Doctrinal Watchdog's multiple deceptive videos about me (his channel seems to do this to others as well).
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His channel has several others on me. They seem to grow in number daily.
BTWN's (Tim Hurd's) misleading video about me. (He has also added another yesterday)
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My website BibleThinker.org
Tim just posted an “apology video.”
I’ll link it here for anyone to view. But I will also share a few thoughts about it here.
1) Tim did apologize for several things, for that I am grateful!
2) Unfortunately, he did not take true responsibility for most of what he said. At one point he actually apologized for me (not him) not being clear enough in the out of context clips he used, even though the full context of those clips was clear, as I showed in my response video.
3) Tim has so far decided to leave the previous, deceptive videos up on his channel. These videos continue (at least at the point I am writing this) to lie about me and my teachings. Quite a few people are watching them and there is simply no way to make sure those same viewers ever see my response or Tim’s “apology.” So, even with my video being available I have reason to think many will continue to believe those lies.
4) He continued to misrepresent me in his apology. He actually continued to make some of the same false claims he made in the original video and did not play or respond to my video, where I addressed those false claims.
4) He even added some new false claims about me.
5) While his video properly apologized for some of the lies he told he did not own up to the fullness of it and continued to propagate more. It was more of a video about defending his points than owning up to them.
6) I am not interested in spending any more time on this distraction but I will leave my video up since Doctrinal Watchdog and Tim continue to misrepresent me in serious ways on their channels in many different videos and even if those videos were removed I’d still have people believing that stuff and I want a resource to point people to that explains it.
7) I added three or four comments into the “live chat” of his premiere to correct some of his new misleading claims. You can read those if you watch his video, unless he deletes them or deletes the live chat altogether.
8) I still consider Tim a brother (and believe he does the same for me) and see this as a sad situation that seems I fixable for the time being. One day we will all be worshipping God in the glory of His presence and this will be only a tiny blip far in the past. That will be a great day.
This is the “apology video.”
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Time to move on brother. Shake the dust from your toes. God will take this in the exact direction He wants it to go. For His plan and His purpose. Just keep being faithful to the call.
Sorry to hear, brother. Some people thrive on fake drama. Some of the worst parts of UA-cam.
For me the sad part of this is that someone slandered a brother with lack of sufficient evidence. If you are jumping around from clip to clip clearly context is being skipped. If you are going to critique a brother or sister you should ensure you fully understand the matter before hand. Mike we may not always agree theologically; however, I firmly, as a pastor, appreciate the time and effort you put into your teaching videos to ensure you have a full grasp of a subject before you present it. I pray that both of these men will issue a proper apology and repent of slandering by misrepresentation.
No point in attempting to dialogue either, Tim is deleting the majority of comments disagreeing with him, clearly not open to critique at this point. I appreciate your character and willingness to move on from this, looking forward to future videos.
I’m so sorry Mike. This unfortunately isn’t surprising. I knew he’d do that. He’s got a track record of doing this. Sadly, all you can do is let God handle it.
Mike, as a Reformed guy, I don't agree with all of your soteriological views (obviously), but keep on doing what you're doing, brother. You are one of the most gracious and humble Bible teachers on the interwebs that I disagree with on occasion, and it's honestly refreshing. Be encouraged in the knowledge that you are seen and embraced as a genuine brother in Christ by many reformed guys, and you serve as a pillar for other Christians to emulate in how you love your fellow man, even in disagreement. Soli Deo Gloria!
Amen I'm reformed but I love Mike's content. Always so thoughtful.
Be encouraged Mike
Thank you sir for this comment. It is encouraging to see that we can disagree on some secondary issues and still love one another in the body of Christ. THIS kind of comment is GOOD for all of us. Refreshing and uplifting. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I'm Arminian, but I've been blessed by Calvinist preachers like Charles Spurgeon and D. James Kennedy. In my view, the Calvinist vs Arminian debate is (or should be) an in-house debate between brothers in Christ, and not a truth or heresy issue.
I'll pray for you and false doctrine of calvinism brother in Christ
The way that Mike handled this situation made me respect him even more! Incredible humility and graciousness.
I’d be furious if someone accused me of being 4 feet tall and that I only ate broccoli
😂 4 ft tall is ok but not the broccoli part
@@Kindness246 The question is: As a Californian, does Mike Winger eat broccoli on pizza?
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Broccoli is great! It tastes like summer.
I love broccoli and my offenders. Even watchdogs 😮
Mike, this why you’re my favorite Christian UA-camr. Someone can literally slander you online and you still show so much grace to them and treat them as your brothers and sisters in Christ. Thanks for being such a good role model.
Yesss, that part. Our church is doing the Chuck Swindoll study, Getting Through The Tough Stuff and the chapter on confrontation was last week and boyyyy was I wrong about a lot! Lol, mainly the fact that I actually thought I didn't have much of an issue in that area and barely read it.... But once I got to class that night I realized I needed that chapter the most out of all the rest! 😂 😂 God is so faithful and I thank God for the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and for opening my prideful eyes! I learned so much about the different ways Jesus confronted people.... It's a little funny that Peter was the prime example in that chapter! Ole Peter, gotta love Peter, I so relate to him, lol.... Thank you Pastor Mike, I love your thoughtful, and thorough teachings, and don't even get me started on the 20 Q and As. I have adhd, not complaining about it anymore since being diagnosed at the age of 39, and I'm not a victim.... I said all that to say, I get distracted and bored easily, but I can watch them Q and As all day with all the various topics back to back, plus you are so easy to listen to, and really funny.... Also, enjoying the occasional video bombing by Mika the cat! This whole community is awesome, God bless you all! Happy Friday!!
Great example of being above reproach
Yea even though they were wrong they are still our sisters in Christ.... I mean brothers... sorry the way they acted had me thinking otherwise... silly me.. lol jp
BTN is a nut! He looks for people to tear down! He never researches to see if what he reports is true, he just enjoys tearing them down!! He really needs to be taken off any and all media!!
Mike Winger is solid and he is a very good Bible teacher.
His cult mask is very shiny, yes.
Hey Mike!
I'm an old time, Bible thumping, gospel minister, seminary professor, and missionary in Europe for 38 yrs. and I've seen, heard and read tons of theology from all doctrinal perspectives. I listened to many Christian teachers on the radio back in the 1970s and 1980s. I was greatly helped in my early Christian life by teachers like Chuck Swindoll, Chuck Smith, John McArthur, Warren Wiersbe, Radio Bible Class, J.Vernon McGee, Raúl Ries, Greg Laurie and others; and I always learned something helpful for my growth in Christ. I'm kinda new to the whole You Tube world of Christian ministries, but for the past year or so I've seen a dozen or more programs, including yours. I've found not only your teaching to be solidly biblical, but also your Christian character and humble attitude of dealing with the issues, especially when you disagree or need to point out false teaching. I'm sorry that you've been slandered by other Christians and I know that you'll be vindicated in the long run.
Keep on keeping on with the Lord Jesus (Heb. 12:1-3) and God bless you, your family and your ministry!
I am not a charismatic, but I have listened to Brother Mike on this channel and also watched the Pastors Perspective show on the K-Wave youtube channel which is either affiliated or part of the Calvary Chapel. Mike of course came out of there having graduated from their school in Costa Mesa California. These guys are very solid biblically even though I disagree on the issue of tongues and the charismatic movement. I count them as brothers in the Lord.
Agreed, the only thing Pastor Winger is guilty of, is not being mean spirited and spitful in his criticism. The other content creators idolatry for the Ministry referenced in the video, along with his strong opinions of Bethel, and his desire to view Theists feverently, hatefully, and adamantly refute the teachings by Bethel is what lead to this. Mike was passive in his criticism because I genuinely believe that he's a Godly man. I struggle with being hateful towards false teachings, and I think we could all learn humility from Pastor Winger; primarily the aforementioned "Biblethumper." I'm not going to lie that term triggers me, lol .
I don't 100% agree with any ministry (which bothered me, until I viewed Winger address the topic, in a video), but Pastor Wingers in the 90th percentile bracket. Personally I believe that this just strengthens the communities faith in him as a teacher, rather than refute the valadity of Winget's teachings.
Ping!!! And another atheist is born.
Dear Dr. Benoit --- What you posted reveals that you have had quite an extensive biblical background. With this as your background --- I am curious on what your thoughts are on the Catholic belief of Holy Communion? I'm catholic (born and raised) and the churches position is that the bread and wine "literally" transform into the body and blood of Jesus Christ (transubstantiation). The Gospel of John, chapter 6 is used quite often in reference to this teaching. Have you ever pondered the words of Jesus in John 6 (vs. 53) and if so, couldn't He be speaking literally?
Blessings...
Chuck smith and J Vernon are the best! I listen to them every day
"In the essentials - Unity
In the non-essentials - Liberty
In all things - Charity"
You exemplify this statement, Mike.
I'm glad you produced this response video.
In general i really like a lot of Mikes teaching, while it seems around 11 minute 15 seconds in when Mike agrees one of the problems that might be valid is that might consider some people with major problems with sin to still be Christian. Would agree a touchy issue, and in general might be a better position to have, while how to deal with John 4:24) "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” The point is "must worship in spirit and truth..." Would assert if we take the Bible at face value, i would have an issue with someone taking this point, while i'm thinking more of the people teaching and supporting bad doctrine, not Mike here... For example can a practicing homosexual, or alcoholic be saved if there is no repentance or change from how they were "in the world" before being saved... Or the rest of the sins and those practicing as noted in 1 Cor 6:8-10. No problem if one gets into the group in v11, which all were in v11 :)... While this said not sure any of us should ever be saying this person is or isn't saved i.e. Rom 14:4) Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
Wouldn't the essentials be that which the Bible asserts? I Tim 4:16 ) Pay close attention to yourself and to the teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
While if the people are accusing Mike is wrong say where as Mike was asking in the video. While we have Rom 2:1-4, and "The manor you judge, you will also be judged..." Alway took this as if you judge rightly God will judge you rightly, if compassionately then God will judge you with compassion... Like wise if we judge harshly or incorrectly, then God will also judge you harshly or incorrect. so a bit troubling for those attacking Mike here... What a man sows this they will also reap....
Also when things like this come up... Isn't Matthew 18 still in effect? To first take care of a matter in private, not in public, if they don't recieve you then take another, eventually then one may go public about it. To falsely accuse someone, hmm besides being a false witness, isn't this gossip and wrong to boot. Just saying God hates a lying tongue and one that is a gossip....
Unity - but see 2 Corinthians 6:14-15.
Liberty - Roman goddess, and see Deuteronomy 28. God given rights require God fearing obedience.
Charity - but see Psalms 11:5.
But it's a warm and fuzzy sentence, I'll grant that.
@@dand4485 we as the church are supposed to judge people who claim to be Christians in the church. God expects us to. It's so that the body of Christ is holy as he is holy (1 Peter 1:16) and sin doesn't take over the church.
But when I said that I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who live in sexual sin or are greedy cheats and thieves and idol worshipers. For you can’t live in this world without being with people like that. What I meant was that you are not to keep company with anyone who claims to be a brother Christian but indulges in sexual sins, or is greedy, or is a swindler, or worships idols, or is a drunkard, or abusive. Don’t even eat lunch with such a person. It isn’t our job to judge outsiders. But it certainly is our job to judge and deal strongly with those who are members of the church and who are sinning in these ways. God alone is the Judge of those on the outside. But you yourselves must deal with this man and put him out of your church. - 1 Corinthians 5:10-13
Those who live certain lifestyles will be condemned if they do not repent and leave those lifestyles. Only one thing will be not be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which includes the mark of the beast.
“Even blasphemy against me or any other sin can be forgiven-all except one: speaking against the Holy Spirit shall never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come. - Matthew 12:31
Then a third angel followed them shouting, “Anyone worshiping the Creature from the sea and his statue, and accepting his mark on the forehead or the handmust drink the wine of the anger of God; it is poured out undiluted into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulphur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb.The smoke of their torture rises forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the Creature and his statue, and have been tattooed with the code of his name.Let this encourage God’s people to endure patiently every trial and persecution, for they are his saints who remain firm to the end in obedience to his commands and trust in Jesus.” - Revelation 14:9-12
Lastly, you are correct when you say God hates lying. There are actually 7 things God hates.
For there are six things the Lord hates-no, seven: haughtiness, lying, murdering, plotting evil, eagerness to do wrong, a false witness, sowing discord among brothers. - Proverbs 6:16.
All verses are from the Living Bible.
@@momdunse322 There is a point about judging a person to say what they are doing is wrong. No problem there, it is a completely different thing to judge if they are saved, born again and going to heaven. That is the difference... Goes back to are you judging rightfully? But as much scripture as you quote, show me where it says we can ever judge a person's salvation. That is the point of the passage "Who are you to judge another man's servant..."
@@dand4485 when did I say that we judge a person's salvation?
Mike: I just came across this video. I’ve listened to many of your teaching videos (including the examination of Bethel) and have found you to be one of the most informed, careful, gracious, yet uncompromising teachers I’ve ever heard. Now that you’ve set the record straight, surrender the issue to God, who “judges rightly.” Be blessed and encouraged.
I agree. I love listening to your teachings. You are not a false teacher. It seems almost like a set up, why are they doing this?
“The flack is always thickest when you’re right over the target”
Put on the FULL Armor Pastor Mike.
We Love you!
Pastor Mike, people that are independent and critical thinkers can see you're not a false teacher! God Bless you and keep doing what you're doing!
Amen!
Fully Amen.
BabyDJ .. anyone who has read their Bible can see Mike isn't a Christian.
Just because he speaks "Jesus" means absolutely nothing.
@@ferrosjewellers4558 explain?
@@ferrosjewellers4558 You are way off!! "...can see Mike isn't a Christian."!!!
What branch of theology are you from?
I have listened to many, many preachers over the years, and I have to say that Mike is one of the most thorough, unbiased Bible teachers I've ever heard.
Maybe you have a bias that runs in a different direction and you can't see the wood for the trees?
It's just heartbreaking to see Christians slandering each other just because they disagree in secondary issues sighhhhhh
Yes. Sometimes watchdog doesn’t really emulate Christ at all. Slander for clicks? No thanks.
anything to get clicks, even if it means off of other more popular channels
A lot of the time it's with pride and being haughty, too.
@@jennprescott2757 yeah, and he doesn’t use context. He’s not The least bit reliable. I would call him a drama channel except rather than using secular celebrities, he uses Christians.
Agree. It’s the reason why besides Mike and Christian artists, I I’m not subscribed to a lot of Christian channels. The most popular Christian content is bullying and slandering other Christians.
Mike, you are one of the few Bible teachers I trust. I'm 67 yrs old, raised in church, involved in Bible study. I recommend you to many as you include context! You explain so well.
Same 👍
Absolutely agree. He is absolutely anointed to teach accurately. His search function on his website is invaluable. Incredible amount of information.
I agree. We have to be careful in the direction we point others to.
I'm a 61 year old mom of 7, grandmom to 5. I find you to be a reliable Christian resource. I like that you always back up your message with the biblical teaching. I also enjoy your lighthearted personality; it lifts me up when I'm feeling melancholy. You give good instruction without taking yourself too seriously. Thank you!
Totally agree.
I'm watching this a year later, October 2023, and I'm glad God brought you out of this situation. Glad your ministry is still strong . And I think there's something to be learnt in the grace, humility and manner in which you handled those that slandered you. Keep up the ministry. you are an encouragement to me and so many ( at least 631,000 as of today :) )
Amen!
Reformed calvanist here, I can honestly say that in spite of our doctrinal deviations your ministry has had a great impact on my life and my family as a result. When I disagree, I almost always find reason to appreciate your position, or see where your Christlikeness influenced your thought process. Keep up the great work!
Amen Brother. I fear that the new big "reformed movement" these days that is taking off has too many young men who can jump fully in to the doctrine, yet are as Paul Washer says "boys". Men who can string together a theological framework yet do not truly know God. Where as many old men of the past were men who loved the doctrines of grace because they knew God. That makes me nervous. Saying this as a young man who is reformed and used to argue hard and be upset if people disagreed with the reformed doctrine. As I've just been reading the Bible and going through a few testing years I've come to see more of God's kindness and mercy to us. His sovereignty has become more a lovely doctrine to cherish and assure me than a doctrine to ram down everybody's throat and disregard them if they don't agree. I still hold to God's almighty sovereignty, but I know Him more and can just trust and rest in His sovereignty being so good and gracious and loving.
@The Barefoot Kid Arminians/Synergists believe that God co-operates with man in his salvation. Man must make the choice to be saved/believe otherwise salvation cannot happen. Calvinists/Monergists believe that God is sovereign and that salvation and faith are purely the work of God alone, including man´s "decision to repent". There are also the 5 points of Calvinism, TULIP which you can kind of test yourself to see where you lie.
@The Barefoot Kid Free will to sin but not to be able to choose to get saved.
@The Barefoot Kid that our salvation is based on nothing that we have done, but only on the will of God.
Agreed, reformed Calvinist and Mike had done so much to encourage me and my family.
Hi Mike, I’m turning 70 next month so I’ve been around long enough to have experienced other’s lies and slander about me. If you are anything like me, you’ll say to yourself that you aren’t going to let it bother you. But then there are those middle of the night thoughts that keep you awake and you realize it does bother you. The purpose of my message is simply to say that you and your ministry have meant a great deal to me. I believe I have seen and heard your heart and believe you are a honorable believer in Jesus. I am praying for you that you don’t loose heart and that you continue to serve our Lord as He has called you to serve.
For me, there is nothing more frustrating than when someone blatantly lies or misrepresents me and who I am. This is something i struggle with. Not strangers really and especially online. I don't bother myself with what those people think of course. But, when it's someone that's actually close to you? Oh it can be really difficult. Mike here has such grace.
I'll add, that these two questionable individuals are either incompetently commenting on our fellow brother's content just to feel superior Or they are doing so to ride his coat-tails of online content success. I pray they find the Truth and become men of Character and integrity. God bless.
@@crystalparker2542Same here. I mean...WHY??? there's enough bad things to say about my wretched self without having to spew stuff thats not even true. .
I dont mind if ppl want to gossip/chat/vent about about the true stuff. That should be enough to keep em busy for HOURS, so why the need to say things just to be hurtful & try to make me look even worse? Sheesh! It IS so hurtful bc one tries so hard to stay aligned with God's will & fail as it is. So then to get accused for failing in areas one actually doesn't (or atleast hardly ever & only in a low key way) its just SO hurtful. One area I very rarely fail in is lying. Several yrs ago my boss accused me of lying. It STILL hurts. Of ALL faukts& failures, how could he POSSIBLY think THAT of me..that I would intentionally & eggregiously LIE?? It was DEVASTATING. One wouldve thot I was being accused of murder or child abuse or something the way it devastated me. But it was THAT hurtful.
@@anabaird3835 someone close to me accused me of lying as well and I know what you mean, because there isn't a lot you can do. Sure, you can try to show the reasons why it isn't logical that you lied, or attempt to prove something, but if someone STILL believes it, what can ya do? It's hard because you know yourself and what you will do and won't do, and ways you may fail and where you don't usually fail. So when someone accuses you of something you'd never do, it's very difficult. I don't know anyone who can say they've never lied in their life, but I'm certainly not the one who is gonna just lie. I take truth very seriously. So yes, it can be devastating. I try to have some seriously good reason and proof before I accuse anyone of anything because it sure hurts to have unfounded accusations leveled against you.
You still with us brother Gage or have you returned to the Lord.
Anyone who admits up front that they haven’t done their due diligence to research a full teaching before commenting is someone to avoid. You’re a blessing, please don’t be discouraged and keep pointing others to Christ!
Sounds like Mike Winger himself on his flat earth takes
@@cxx1953 so you're a flat earther.
Frogs 🐸 in the well.
@@cxx1953 Mike Winger is a globetard who doesn’t take God’s cosmology as literal but allegorically.
Earth is indeed flat and stationary with a solid dome firmament above us holding back water.
Agreed. To ADD: I blv someone who does NOT admit they havent done their research b4 spewing is even more so someone to avoid.
If Tim Hurd and Doctrinal Watchdog did even 1/100th of the research you do before taking a position, you wouldn't have had to make this video. This is the correct way to respond. Do not let their lies go unchecked, but do not let it distract you any longer than it must. Keep up the good work!!
@nelnotheamoeba9221, EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!
Amen!!
nelnotheamoeba9221:
So true. Ego driven, impulsive, emotional individuals get many things wrong. In my opinion, Doctrinal Watch Dog falls into this category.
I think followers and clicks are primary for him.
My personal experience with him: I pointed out, very respectfully, in a comment on his podcast a mistake or an error he made. His response, was a nasty personal attack on my character. I never watched him again. Character matters to God, so it certainly matters to me.
Being a Christian does not mean the suspension of analysis, reasoning and discernment.
Keep fighting the good fight, Mike.
Ah...Mrs. Childers🤗. Fancy meeting you here! Im a yr late (obviously, &Idkh i missed it 11mo ago)
I just finished watching your chat with Mr. Root "Conservatives w/o Christ". That chat joined my my top 10 faves of all time! Thank you!
Thank you for phrasing so well what has been so discouraging on UA-cam in the Christian community. "I can't believe this guy said that! Therefore he is a false teacher and evil and not even saved". And it's narcissistic because it assumes you have all the right answers and all the others don't, at least when it comes to smaller issues of doctrine besides the main indisputable points
Channels like DWD are effectively just out for drama, with no accountability.
It's a really sad, because it's so destructive, but people lap it up!
And I understand the temptation, there's nothing like putting other people down, to make you feel super holy... but it's so far from what Jesus wants us to be living like.
Anyone who has followed your actual teachings, and measured your views Biblically, will know that these men are either purposefully or ignorantly publishing falsehoods about you.
Why would Tim not reach out to you BEFORE making his video? It seems to reveal a truth about him.
Tim and his ilk are guilty of doing what the mainstream media has done for years. For example, Nicholas Sandman. They took small clips of what supported the fake story they wanted to tell and ignored the whole video that showed the real truth. Tim has cast a judgment based off someone's fake story.
It's disappointing.
God Bless you and AMEN to that prayer at the end of this video!
I am replying here because my phone won’t let me do it in the main comments section. That’s all could be said to have a false gospel in the same way that Roman Catholicism has a false gospel: namely, that it adds to the gospel some thing that is either not a primary importance or which is not even biblical or factual. Roman Catholicism is very similar: we are saved by grace through faith… And our good works. Where is Bethel seems to say: we are saved by grace through faith… And you have to believe that total and complete healing is for today 100% of the time except when it displaces God, which Bill Johnson has said has only happened to him twice (see the rediscovering Bethel series, or Chris Roseboro‘s commentary on the subject: rediscovering Bethel‘s heresies). Meanwhile, the biblical gospel a simple: we are saved by grace through faith. Period. End of story. Don’t add anything, don’t take anything away. I’ll be enough, this makes me question in Chris Rosebrough, since he teaches baptismal regeneration as a confessional Lutheran. Any insights would be helpful.😊
@Fisher of Men Ministries i’ll admit, I’m probably not guilty of this mindset on some level.
I appreciate this video for two reasons. One, it taught me to be mindful of emotions if I need to confront others. Two, it taught me how important context is and how careful I need to be when determining the position others hold. Mike, thanks for using what’s happening to you to teach this. The steps you took before and during the video were exemplary.
Yeah. Context defuses most bad situations immediately.
good comment andy, good points. how mike handled it is example we can all learn from.
Oh... I wasn't going to watch the whole thing, but the points you mentioned are things I need to learn. Thanks!
Agree, and the prayer at the end was very instructive for me where Mike practiced what he preaches.
So many Christians are so quick to discredit others and their teachings that it makes me sad and l think it actually muddieds the waters even more.
I have always admired how charitable and kind Mike is towards everyone.
I hate that this happened. I used to follow both BTWN and Doctrinal Watchdog but found their channels to be utterly lacking any grace. Glad you responded. God bless you, Mike!
Yeah, I've hung out in similar circles before, and while our flesh loves a bit of gossip... that's all these provide, and it's nothing but destructive.
Nobody is built up by tearing others down.
Do you have another channel that has Joy in the name?
I used to listen to Tim from time to time. But MacArthur to Tim is like Mary to Catholics.
@@thehuguenot5615 💯. I’ve observed this as well. I honestly could not have come to a better analogy than this. And I listen to MacArthur almost regularly and have a lot of respect. But BTWN worships him.
@@cascadianapplications7124 Nope, just the one.
This explains SO MUCH! The other day, I commented on Ruslans video that mike winger is one of my all time favorite UA-cam teachers. His videos helped me to trust and understand more about the bible when I first became a Christian. Someone replied to my comment telling me that I need to check my heart and that I need to be more careful about who I take teachings from because Mike winger endorsed Bethel. I responded back to him and asked where he got that (and to please share a time stamp) because I hadn't seen anything of the sort in the video. I also mentioned that I follow Mikes teachings and that he has explicitly warned against bethel in the past. I got an answer saying "you better watch again because it's there" or something like that. I was SO CONFUSED. I never got an answer that explained. This makes much more sense now. Lol. I hope the person who was responding to me eventually understands what happened because Mike winger is an amazing teacher. Everyone should find a Mike winger who explains things so carefully and detailed.
@Maggi Normile Right? I was fully willing to listen what he had to say and figure it out....but there was NO explanation. Lol. Just "better go watch it again"..... I am familiar with Mike's teachings and this accusation made no sense to me.
Gotta love those helpful "warning" comments that don't actually help, just toss things out like they're fact when they are really just regurgitating something someone told them.
Hope you’ll be able to find the comment and link this for them… 🤣
@@mottgirl13 fantastic idea! I can't go back easily to comments on my tablet app but it's pretty easy to search on the website. I'll get my laptop out tomorrow and do exactly that. Hopefully it will help him to take a deeper look. Thank you! I know it seems simple but I probably wouldn't have thought of it without ur response.
I would stay well away from Ruslan.
It’s always been a red flag to me when someone’s entire “ministry” is to tear down other ministries. This is a perfect example. Honestly they’re probably jealous that they don’t have as many followers. Keep on keeping on brother Mike. You are a blessing.
It absolutely is out of jealousy and also pride. These guys that dude is always go after bigger channels like Mike’s. These channels are always small in comparison to the ones they’re attacking.
To be fair, if a "ministry" is teaching false doctrines, it's necessary to answer them. If they are dangerously big, a dedicated ministry exposing them is needed. Mike's most watched video counters Jehovah Witnesses' teachings.
Having said that, if you believe in the essentials like all 3 parties here, this should not happen. Any differences should be resolved in secret.
@@mobiusraptor7 I agree with you
Excactly!
Exactly! This is how I feel about that Collins guy who every single video is him calling out someone and on some occasions offending them directly like with Furtick. Look I don’t agree with any of the guy’s teachings either but going on a roast session about Furtick and saying stuff like “skinny Jean wearing” to stir up anger isn’t helping the kingdom.
I'm sorry to hear all this happened, Pastor Mike. I think you handled it well by trying to address it privately and then making a public response when they continued to propogate these things.
Sorry this happened to you and scared people away from your content. Some people just get distracted and are attracted to drama like shiny objects. I’ve watched a ton of your content and you are one of the most Biblically grounded, gracious, and well-researched/well-prepared Biblical education channels I have found. You back up what you say and you’re clear when you don’t know enough to say anything else. I really appreciate that about you, and it’s one of the reasons your audience is so large (and continuing to grow). You had every right to try to set the record straight and point people back to the original episodes so they can listen unedited if they really want to. Looking forward to your next video.
I don't think it scared people away, he's gained followers in the last few days.
@@knothead35 He said it did and that was one of the reasons he felt like he needed to take the time to make this video. But yes, this kind of drama can end up benefiting a channel sometimes.
@@selahr. I just heard “lots of ppl keep emailing us” not scared away?
I was scared away from this channel after I heard the video about Bethel church and
Bill Johnson. And I am thankful to Tim for correcting Mike.
Proof that cherry picking clips of a video are just as bad as cherry picking Bible verses to serve your own beliefs vs the truth!
Can you even provide one scripture that provides this "truth" you refer to that shows what he believes is incorrect?
That part 🙏🏿 Glory be to God.
Unfortunately that happens if not careful.
@@ninjajack2600 I think you’re reacting prematurely. The comment you seem to be slamming is *supporting* Mike Winger. What are you DOING?!?!? It *seems* like you’re guilty of the same “evil bad man!” error that Mike talks about in this video and which comes from being too fast to judge, and not paying attention to nuance.
The commenter is saying: when people cherry pick, when they judge based on too little content, they get it wrong. See how that supports Mike? And how you just might be guilty of it?
True. But cherry picking Bible verses is just good Second Temple Jewish scripture exegesis; no different than what the gospel writers and the apostle Paul were doing.
You are the most intellectually honest Bible teacher I've come across, it's refreshing!
You are one of the most studied, level headed, reasonable teachers on the UA-cams. I don't know how anyone can watch your original content in context and come to any of these conclusions. I'm sorry this is happening to you. All three of y'all will be in my prayers. For your name to be cleared, for these damages to your credibility to be repaired, and for all of this to be used for God's glory. For the others, for them to see the full error and deceit in the content they made, and for them to take down the misleading videos.
Not everyone who says they are Christian truly are a regenerated, born again believer...Soo sad. 🔥
@@michellecheriekjv4115 ive remembered that I seen a old woman who called hersellf a "Former Born Again christian" A Christian is those who actually want to become better and of course they sometimes opt out and pretend like they arent angry at God even if they dont truly believe they still are even if they dont because we humans are scared of what we dont know so those atheists simply lie to themselves and that woman as i mentioned called herself that except a "Born Again Christian" As its the truth doesnt turn resentful and bitter and hateful verbally and physically violent to the church because she sees a man who abused her daughter in horrible ways. and thats what made her quit in life. She became everything she was supposed to resist and thats being Pathethic, a self appointed victimized human female that only longs towards evil and she doesnt know it. thats what i saw in her and i couldnt give her reasoning because shes older than me and im 20 and i know that someone so old as she is will become more resentful over 40 years and that much resentment i decided its better to not talk after one quesiton to her because at that point i wonder if she could even be saved from herself and the evil she subcummed to because she became to weak to handle the evil in this world it is sad. But shes a hypocrite and contradicts herself so therefore she is not a born again christian. Or a christian at all. Shes a fake because she wasnt searching to actually become the best individual human female version of only herself that she could become the best woman she could become and she throwed it all in the trash because something horriblly happened that Satan used to bring her down and become nihilistic and believing in nothing only materialism Atheism.
I've dealt with 'Doctrinal Watchdog' in the past, so I sympathise with how frustrating that can be.
I really appreciate the gracious and godly approach you've modelled tonight.
It's definitely a lesson to us all in how to deal with frustrating or just plain malicious people.
@Chumnley snoop take what with salt?
Sorry, I'm not entirely sure what the context of your comment is.
@Chumnley snoop The Bible is woke? What is that even supposed to mean, lol.
@@friedrichrubinstein2346 yeah, I was wondering the same thing!
@Chumnley snoop ?? what is woke
@Chumnley snoop so does someone need to beat into you that there isn't any drag queens and groomers promoting qweer ideology in the bible?
Anybody who has really followed your channel knows those are untruths about your teaching. I cannot express how much you are appreciated. We are hard pressed to find anyone as doctrinally and theologically sound in their teaching as you are. Thank you so much for all that you do. ❤️
This is a serious problem with many who claim to be Christians who have little or no integrity, who lie on and about other Christians for all kinds of ungodly reasons. And as you point our here Mike, won't accept correction or proof of their error. And sadly, the Christian church in general gets blamed for this. God bless you Mike, glad you did do this video. Praying for you. Love your ministry.
😢I was so hurt and sad when they spread those lies. Glad you responded!
Me too 😞
Reformed baptist boi here, LOVE YOUR CHANNEL! The Lord uses you in mighty ways by His providence, and just wanted to encourage you to keep up the good work!
Us calvinists get straw manned a lot by all sorts of people, so it absolutely disgusts me and many others to see you straw manned in such a way.
God bless you mike, looking forward to the day where We stand before Christ after our long battle.
Hey Mike! Just want you to know that you are the reason I left the Bethel craziness! So thankful for your careful and respectful teaching! 🙏
Praise be to God, SDG!
This is why I follow people like you and Melissa Dougherty. You both show great humility, even with those you disagree with. I’ve learned so much about humility just from you guys. Keep teaching! Keep answering those 20 questions. May God bless you in all you are doing for Him and His children.
I appreciate you and your ministry. Sorry you’re having to deal with this nonsense.
What's shocking is that Tim Hurd, and guys like him, would produce a video like this, without doing their due diligence. They are people who need to be avoided at all costs, because, as Mike said, they are lying. Run from these people!
Would he stand behind a pulpit and say “Now, I will be honest, I did not read the entire chapter this verse is found in, but here is what it means”? Why can’t they just listen to Mike’s entire teaching before criticizing?
Anyone who actually listens to you knows that you are very biblically solid and that you truly love the Lord. Just discovering your content a couple of years ago ignited a passion in me to really study my Bible. Even this slandering can be used for good. Who knows how many people will wind up seeing your videos and discovering your great content. Some people just have to be reached in different ways. I think that this would actually wind up gaining you exponentially more viewership than it could take away. I can empathize with your position here as well. Just keep up the good work. The Lord has blessed you with a great gift for teaching.
I agree. Think of all the Christian businesses that people boycott for making a stand for their faith. Their business almost always grows! When good people are made out to be evil, people notice, and give support .
I have a story about being slain in the Spirit. I was young, about 11. My dad is a Pastor and had just started a church in our small village. We did a lot of evangelism at the start to raise awareness about the new church. We often invited missionaries to evangelize with us.
One night, we had a prayer service in church after being out evangelising all day. It was just a few members of the church there and some missionaries. We were just ending the day in prayer. One of the missionaries was leading a communal prayer and decided to do an altar call. I don't remember what it was about but I assume it was something to do with healing. (I used to have stomach pain a lot as a child).
I was the only person who went forward and the missionary prayed over me, without touching me. Towards the end of her prayer, she touched me very slightly on my forehead. I think only two of her fingers made contact, and I just felt myself fall back. I was very aware of what was happening, but my legs just could not hold me up. It was painful at all, even when I fell, it was peaceful and slow, like falling into a cloud. I lay there for less than a minute praying and thanking God.
This has never happened to me again, although I have experienced preachers who try to force it by pushing you as they pray. This is often in those large "revival" meetings, just like Mike described in his example.
I believed that first experience was really Good, because the lady barely touched me and also because there was hardly anyone around to make a show for. I also recognize the peace that I felt in that moment as the presence of God. God moves in many different ways, and yes, sometimes people overdo it and try to force things, but I completely agree with Mike that God can do these things.
I understand. I had that experience but the teacher never even actually touched me. I was in a church with about 4 other people. No music, no emotional stuff going on... these naysayers should be careful they don't resist the Holy Spirit not realizing it.
Thank you for this. I DID see the BTWN video when it came out and it did sit wrong with me. Even though I am a “Calvinist” and “cessationist” I so admire and appreciate your Biblical teachings and very thoughtful exegesis, even when I disagree. I think that those two men refusing to accept correction is a very sad thing. I think that is the final straw with me for BTWN, who I’ve enjoyed somewhat regularly but have also sort of wondered about him. I appreciate your graciousness in handling this! What a fantastic example for others.
I just unfollowed BTWN for the same reason. I love John MacArthur’s teaching, but Tim simply WORSHIPS MacArthur in a strange way…..
@@Weissguys6 I definitely understand and have felt the same way about his affinity and lockstep for John MacArthur (who I actually really enjoy and learn from). It’s sad it has to be like this.
calvinist……. what a disgraceful doctrine , nothing like Jesus , biblically demonic through and through , what type of person subscribes to such deception ??
@@Weissguys6 I am in complete agreement with your comment. I too love John Macarthur's ministry and listen nearly every day, but he does seem as though he idolizes him. How he reports on his every movement is unsettling. I wouldn't be surprised if he ever reported Today John Macarthur left the pulpit to use the restroom.
I agree that Tim appears to cling to the sin of idolatry. I also highly respect John MacArthur, though I don't agree with everything he teaches. Tim seems to stalk the man, and "attack" anyone who would speak against him, and that's very unsettling to me. MacArthur is just a man, and Tim would do better to spread the glory of Christ and His gospel as opposed to spreading the glory of a man's ministry. May God continue to bless you, Mike. We need more strong leaders who are willing to learn about differences, not condemn others for those differences, and open minded enough to know that one will never fully understand the Scriptures in this lifetime.
As a reformed brother, I have found great value in your teaching. Be encouraged, you never know how God may be using this schism to bring people to your channel and the positive teaching you are providing. Its rare to find a pastor/teacher that is actually pouring his time into the scriptures, keep it up Mike.
How can you be a "brother".....when you preach " another" Gospel?
As usual, Mike, your gentleness and love shine through! You must be doing something right, or the enemy would not be maligning you. Keep up the good work. Your teaching speaks for itself.
I appreciate you taking the time to honestly explain yourself. I have followed your Bible study for 2 years and I enjoy all of your videos. I appreciate the time and effort you put into studying and teaching the Word. My shield is stronger from the knowledge you have shared.
Wow, thank you for referencing the shield of faith. God bless you.
mike ive listened to you quite a bit I really love your deep dives into scripture its helped me love the bible. I was an atheist once and have watched you long since ive called myself a christian but it was people like you who have helped me the most because im slightly dyslexic and cant read as long as I can watch your graciousness with others really softens hearts and is very inspiring. I hope that this message finds you doing well. and to all those reading there is a day that is coming and all that will be left are christians I only pray that as many of us make it as possible reguardless of our error because the wrath of god its a terrifying thing.
Amen Thanks for sharing 🙏❤️
I like Dr MacArthur but I do believe that he is put on a pedestal. He doesn't want to be there but others put him there. Tim is one that does.BTWN is critical of those that are not calvinist. I am sorry that this happened. Your grace shines through.
A cliche', but "Know one is perfect" I just wish one of "them" would say that every once in awhile!
I almost wrote that. As long as we are in these bodies we will sin.
John MacArthur put his name on Bibles and he has made himself a brand. It simply is not true that others have come along and put him where he's at. I respect MacArthur in some ways, but I reject a number of his teachings and I reject how he has branded himself. He's not the first teacher to put on his name on God's word but it's still disturbing.
John MacArthur has some very serious deception teachings. And he is literally almost worshiped by so many pastors.
Sad, that Calvinism has been allowed to grow when it should have been cut out many years ago.
Calvinist doctrine of self-defeating. If we are predestined for either heaven or hell, then there is no need to spread the gospel. If we are predestined for either heaven or hell, then Paul was wrong and grace is truly a license to sin.
Basically, if one is predestined to be saved, and they can never lose their salvation, and can be the most disgusting person, but they'll be okay because their predestination has been set. Does that sound biblical to you?
Unbelievable patience. Well-handled Mike Winger
This is such a good reminder for me to always fact check anything that is said about someone by another. It’s easy to get lazy. Pulling snippets out of context to make a person’s analysis true is very common today. Even if a known false teacher, I need to review the full source in context before believing or sharing with others.
It won Biden the election. They cut in half a sentence Trump uttered and beat him to death with the blatant lie. People are so "sound - bite -only" oriented that anyone can get away with such vile trickery.
Absolutely right. Thanks for reminding me as well.
I call out friends and family often about drawing conclusions and saying things like “person A said person B did or said x, can you believe that?”. It’s just an area that I am extremely conscious of. People exaggerate, people misunderstand, and unfortunately sometimes people just straight up lie.
Mike you handled this so gracefully and in the spirit and not in the flesh. The way you handled this is a great learning opportunity for everyone in a similar situation.
Mike, Thank you for all that you share. In all my 40+ years of being a Christian, it is so rare to find teachers/leaders who can actually model "truth in love". Your sincere love for God's word, the church, and especially your brothers and sisters who disagree with you, is inspiring. Thank you for honoring our Savior in all you say and do.
Except it's not lies and slander because he is on video clearly defending NAR FOUNDER BILL JOHNSON and saying that he is not teaching a false gospel, so you got that totally wrong!
I am utterly amazed that in ten months no one has commented on this before!
I, feel your frustration, Mike. People definitely need to get their facts right before they bear false accusations against a brother, or sister in Christ. Praying for your ministry. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Don’t worry Mike. There are those of us who actually watch your videos and know what’s going on here. Keep up the good work. Thank you for what you do.
Mike, anyone who watches your videos regularly from beginning to end knows how careful you are with your words and how much time and effort you put into your work. You have so much entegrity. I believe your audience knows the truth. It makes me sad that people would take your words out of context and slander you this way. I appreciate you defending your teaching. Thank you for all you do. I am praying that God gives you peace about this situation.
This breaks my heart on your behalf. Your ministry has meant so much to me. Your love and excitement over the word of God is contagious. Your love of Christ Jesus and the people of God is so encouraging and motivating. I appreciate your integrity and openess.
This is one of the best sermons ever! You speak biblically on the issue of praying for those who spread false witness against you. This issue is so prevalent in these last days. I find this so difficult to do in my life. Thank you for always searching for truth and then actually practicing what you teach. May God bless you always.
Mike we are reformed as well, to speak in a vague manner. You’re a true brother in Christ!! My husband and I have enjoyed your videos a lot, even if we might disagree on certain points. You don’t know how many viewers truly respect you and hold you as part of God’s family! Be encouraged!
Thank you for this, Mike! I’m so grateful for your example! I truly am grateful to God for you. ❤
Amen Brenda!
Thanks for posting this response, Mike. I have removed my comment from the BTWN video since I now realise was not fair based in the information you provide here. Please accept my apologies.
Thank you for being such a great and Godly role model for someone like me who’s a 16 girl going through high school.
Thank you for such an awesome rendering of grace and truth. Just began listening to you recently and was sceptical when i saw this video title. I thought, "Now i'm gonna see what he's really about." I was sooo blessed! You are the real deal in my 74 year old truth searching self. You'll be in my prayers. Stay strong!
Mike , Anyone who has watched your channel and really listened to what you stand for and who you are would know without any doubt that these people have no clue what their talking about . It’s so sad these people have nothing better to do. Keep doing what you’re doing . You stand for truth and have always been used to edify the body of Christ . Thank you for your channel .
Mike as an encouragement.
You have ministered to my life and have helped me in my walk with the Lord or to put it more carefully the Lord did through u. Ur ministry and ur countless videos have brought biblical clarity and forth a desire in me to study, understand the bible and bless my local body. I wanted to think biblically and u have helped me to do so in many different areas in my life. That I stumbled upon ur channel really blessed and had a godly impact in my life. Thank God and praised be He. I really want to be careful so that I don't automatically agree with everything u believe and say, that I go to the bible myself and study and that u don't become my only source of teaching I wan to hear. But still, your ministry is a huge blessing. Keep the work for the kingdom up. God bless u Mike and continue to use u as such.
I am a full bore Calvinist and I love 95% of your teaching. I have learned much from you and definitely think of you as a brother. A mature brother. BTWN and Doctrinal Watchdog are very immature brothers who are after views and likes, just look at their click bait titles. Please keep teaching. Even the Calvinists support you☺mostly.
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We can debate many things re: theology but I must confess, when I hear people say, "I'm a full bore Calvinist", I wince a bit because when someone asks me what I believe I reply with, " I'm a full bore Christian." Shouldn't that be the first thing that comes to mind when sharing your faith? No offense meant, just wondering.
@@eugenejoseph7076 I think it’s the context (non Calvinist yt channel) that helps explain why this commenter would lead with that. I see that a lot with liberals and conservatives commenting on things they agree with the other side. Conservative says X, liberal comments “as a liberal… I agree” to some affect. I don’t think they are sayin it’s their primary identity (soteriological distinction) but rather helping Mike understand that those who disagree with him on other issues stand in support of this issue.
@@brettmagnuson8318 Thank you. I thought it a bit too soon in the relationship to bring up "limited atonement"🤪
@@caitlin6151 When you're giving the gospel to someone who asks, do you believe that God loves that person? Do you believe that Jesus died for that person? Genuinely interested in what your perspectives are.
I wonder if these guys have read the Bible passages on gossip?
I’ve only just found you, and you are refreshingly detailed in your Bible studies- real meat!! I’ve been a Christian for more than 50 years and you have still taught me new stuff. Keep up the good work!!
Hey Mike. I just wanted to let you know that even though this was mostly a negative situation, that it helped me. I am dealing with conflict between a neighbor and I. I am struggling with thoughts of revenge. A LOT of thoughts. Honestly the way you handled this has really convicted and inspired me. Thank you for continuing to act in love!
Anyone reading this please pray for me going forward. I deal with the issue of vengeance a lot, and hope to beat it with God's help.
*TY FOR COMMENTING*
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"Vengence is mine, saith the Lord"...our job is to pray that Gods vengence will turn to grace and mercy....just like the way He showed unto us. Always, be like Christ. Shalom
Confessing these thoughts is a good first start to dealing with them.
I will pray for you, but I also encourage you to be in constant prayer in private with our Father. A strong relationship with the Lord helps us build a heart towards love. It can be incredibly hard to love your neighbor when they make themselves your enemy, but try to see them as the image of God that they are. Whatever you are suffering, remember how much Christ suffered unto death while being entirely blameless. Loving your neighbor is a way of worshiping God. I am no saint, but thinking this way helps me. I hope it helps you.
A verse I cling to that guides my thoughts on this matter:
If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
- 1 Corinthians 13:2
(all of chapter 13 I recommend meditating on)
God bless you brother.
I will pray for you. Do not doubt that God is working in our lives. But we have to let Him.
Great Nathan ! I often have the same thoughts.
I admire Mike's approach for the same reason.
Also Jack Kirby's of Off the Kirb ministries, as a very good approach.
Gotta love it when the ‘doctrine watchdogs’ admit to not watching a video and utilizing sloppy exegesis. Sad. Best thing we can do.. pray, remain teachable and live in love. God bless. Great job Mike.
Yeah, it's sad. Discernment ministry channels like those are good and beneficial IN CONCEPT, but in actual practice, they are bullies and, dare I say it, pharisees
These "Watchdogs" watch everything but the videos they critique.
I so appreciate your careful study and presentation of Biblical truth and your love for the Lord and His people-- your perseverence and laughter are so great! I praise Jesus for you :)
@@WonRyatt_9000 for sure my friend. For sure. I don’t know why they didn’t do their due diligence but it sadly points to an agenda of slander from the onset. Glad it backfired.
@@ericfisher1360 true story beloved brother.
Mike, I am a dedicated viewer and I’m not going anywhere! The number one prayer I have every day is that God doesn’t let me be deceived, and I’ve found that when I’m hearing something I get a little “check in my spirit” if it’s not the truth. I love your teachings and your grace.
Your heart, humility, Bible knowledge, grace, and sincerity are incredible. Thank you for your example of a good & faithful & loving [ to all] servant.
Using Mike as clickbait and didn’t do their research. You handled this graciously.
Yup. The things people will do for UA-cam growth. It's sad!
Dear Mike. Suffice for now to add my name to your long list of supporters. Thank you SO much for your thoroughness of study biblically and using your gift so graciously. You are practically 'one of a kind' on UA-cam. Commendable in that anyone can be directed to your faithful hard work on many topics. It goes without saying that being genuine, sensitive and yet desiring to be accurate is not only an endearing quality but in the line of such mediocre attacks, you faced it like a lion.
It is great the way you have handled this matter and so encouraging for many to know that this attack makes you even more worth delving into. God is not mocked and I believe more will be reached through your channel to saving faith and helpful sanctification.
There is no doubt that the key is the title of both your UA-cam channels as in Tim Heards, 'Bible Thumping Wing Nut' and your's being 'Bible Thinker' is at odds right there. Need I say more!
Tim claims to almost idolise John McArthur and yet John McArthur does not need him. Justin Peters is close friends with Costi Hinn and was gloriously delivered from the Benny Hinn movement. In essence Costi remains accurate but gracious in his approach.
Praying for strength for you and a speedy recovery from this attack. It seems to me, the more servant hearted you are will guarantee suffering but count it all joy.
Amazing what God will do with it!
So agree with this comment!! btwn ‘S videos are irritating to say the least! I haven’t heard any other believer who seems to take pleasure in calling out a false teacher or a false gospel, he really seems to take pleasure in this instead of praying that God would change their heart. I cannot watch his videos and hear him just tear down another person!
As someone who is often out of the loop when it comes to celebrities, even Christian ones, I have always found your handling of others' teachings very gracious and loving, and I greatly appreciate it. You always try to assume the best in people. I know part of your reasoning for handling things this way is so that you don't turn away people who idolize those teachers, so they won't immediately hate you and not stay to hear your corrections for them, but I also find it helpful to not immediately form the worst possible opinion about a teacher who, while I had never heard of them before, may be important people I know.
All of that to say, thank you for being you, Mike, and for sharing Biblical teaching with love.
I'm a pastor. And one of the most disruptive and divisive things I've had to deal is discernment ministries. We are to be discerning, but many of these discernment ministries are rooted in pride and fear. People in our church find these so-called ministries, get hooked, believe the lies and distortions, and begin tearing down the church and leadership. I've had people accuse me of teaching works based salvation when I constantly teach salvation by grace. It's maddening!
Your ministry is a blessing to me. I was a catholic until 3 years ago, i had to learn The Word of God, from a new prospective. You are one of my teachers. As a new born creature, I am thankful for your teachings, and doubt not, your understanding of The Scriptures.
Why did you leave Catholicism?
@@kevinmc62 as I love catholics and have been raised as a catholic, I acknowledge, that we love and believe in the same God in the Trinity, but I am no longer believing in their doctrines. For me the Bible is the only authority I rely on, with no room for free interpretation. I have been saved through the Grace of God, by my faith in Jesus Christ, for what The Savior did for the remission of my sins, on the cross at Calvary. I can do no works to save me. There is only one Mediator between men and God, this is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.
I hope and pray my catholics sisters and brothers will put their trust only on Jesus Christ, relying on the Bible as only authority, which they are not doing right now, as you know.
@@lonia.5283 how do you know which of these 2 men to believe? They both believe in the Bible alone. In fact, all Protestants are Bible alone believers. At the end of the day you have to put your trust in one man’s interpretation versus the other. Or read the Bible for yourself and start your own church. I find it hard to believe God left us as orphans with a book to figure out for ourselves. It makes more logical sense that God started a Church that would then teach the deposit of truth handed to the apostles. I know you may possibly think that it is liberating to be out from under the teaching authority of Rome but you’ve only placed yourself under another man’s authority or his denominations authority and their interpretation of the Bible while claiming the “Bible Alone “. God bless you!
@@kevinmc62 did you read the Bible and studied? Then, you would know who helps you most in your understanding. The one who preaches after God's Word, and gives all the Glory to God by truth ( I do not listen to one pastor alone. There are only a few, that I chose to listen to, as they studied the Bible very thoroughly) i chose 3 years ago, to place my trust in the Word of God alone, for my own understanding, that is true. But you forget that it is The Holy Spirit that teaches and leads at the end of the day, not Rome, nor Mike Winger.The Word of God is enough- Matthew 7:7-8:
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."
God bless you too in Jesus Christ's Name.❤
@@lonia.5283 the word of God is enough for Oneness Pentecostals and they deny the Trinity while being full of the Holy Spirit. Baptizing in Jesus name not the Father, Son and Holy Spirit while using scripture to support their beliefs. Our own understanding of scripture can fail us. Lean not on our own understanding. Bible alone has proven to be a failed project with great division. God established a Church. You’re always welcome back home. In the meantime, keep the faith.
I follow 30 or 40 different teachers or pastors on UA-cam. I have found Mike Winger to be the one of the best if not the best in Christian UA-cam. His love for Jesus, people, and scripture is so apparent in every video. Thanks for responding Mike but most of us already know...
As soon as I heard part of that video I knew they were taking your teaching out of context. It says more about their character than yours. Keep up the good work. We all appreciate you. It's a shame that people have to try to plug your name into their videos to get views. It seems that if his intentions were sincere he would have had a conversation with you instead of trying to slander your name. 💜💜
Hang tough, Mike! Your ministry is a help to a lot of us with questions, who don’t know where to turn for answers.
By taking a stance, you put yourself in the crosshairs, and false teachers don’t like being called out by anyone. Thank you for all you do!
Glad you are doing this, as much as you may want to ignore liars, the truth must be addressed.
I firmly believe that out of all the youtube Christian teachers, the Holy Spirit led me to your channel for a very good reason, and you've taught me so much in the past few years! I still feel strongly that I need to continue to listen to your videos, the holy spirit tells me you are closest to the truth. I've been a strong believer raised in a Christian family and went to their church school. I'm 62 right now and have learned how to trust who God leads me to listen to, my instincts for the truth are now well honed! Keep up the great work, Mike!
Brother Mike as always impressed with the humble way you deal with things and I totally get where you’re coming from if someone wants to have a proper discussion based on facts I’m sure your all over that but saying nothing is always better than spreading lies when did people lose the ability to fact check there own rant’s and to openly say " I haven’t watched the whole video" and then go on and criticise your ministry like come on dude I would be careful to even bring a mostly positive review without being very familiar with the thing I am commenting about.
Hi Mike, I'm praying for you and your ministry. I have watched enough of your teaching to spot the lies being told without seeing the clips. Thank you for the time and effort you put into teaching the Bible.
I very much appreciate your humble and honest guidance with the Bible and your assistance with our trying to better understand it’s pages. We all suffer bias and our own interpretations. You however, do a good job of restraining and even admitting your own. This makes you a valuable resource for me and others in our journey toward enlightenment. I may not always agree, but my Bible understanding is often enriched with each listen. Thank-you
Aw Mike. I’m sorry you are going through this. I’ve been slandered and it’s horrible. Praying for you and that God convicts these individuals.
Mike, I’m a calvinist and cessationist. I know we disagree on different things but I have been blessed by your content for the past two years. Your desire to obey and follow God’s word is evident in every one of your videos. I watched Tim‘s video when it first came out and I could tell that the clips were taken out of context. I have watched you too many times and could see what was being used in those clips was not correct. You showed grace and mercy in this video pointing out truth and rebuking a brother. You did what was biblical, may they truly desire to make things right with the videos that they put out. I appreciate your ministry. God bless!
I have direct proof cessationism is false through a blatant and obvious waking vision I was gifted
I pray in tongues, so pray for it and you will be amazed
@@Kat-fw5jo im honestly curious, what is definitively been amazing in your life? Im amazed that bc of Christ's sacrifice i now am granted access with boldness to go to the father. Also, what do you suggest i do with the verse that paul says not all will have tongues.
Well, I for one, clicked “Subscribe” after listening to this segment. Great balance, healthy perspective (“This could cause me, us to sin…” , “Disagreement doesn’t mean disunity or doesn’t have to result in disunity…”). Well done. Looking forward to more of your teaching.
I love your videos because every single one is deeply rooted in the Bible. I love how deep they are. You are feeding this 64-year-old life long Christian. Thank you so much for your work.
I watch and enjoy your ministry Pastor Mike. I have told others about your channel and what a blessing you are!!! Keep up the good work!!!!
Thank you for this video @mikewinger . I stopped watching BTW a few years ago because I saw things like this and what seems like the need for sensationalism.
More than anything I think this needs to wake people up for the absolute need for Christians to be in God's Word, both OT and NT. We need to question EVERY teacher against God's Word. We are commanded to do this. And we need to stop assuming people we may 'follow' are sharing the truth. We need to do due diligence.
Thank you Mike for your heart and desire to share His Truth to the best of your ability.
Praying for you.
Thankfully, this is the first I heard about this. I truly would not have believed them because I have watched your videos on these specific topics. I would not have even given it a second thought past praying for them to seek the truth and find the wisdom to grow in Christ. They are misled in their own research on this. It is easily proven that the clips were taken out of context. And this isn't the first or last time it will happen, but sending prayers up for them.
Your content brought me back to the Lord. I am reading my Bible, I am seeking the Lord, and He is making changes in my life for the better through His word. Your 20 Questions content was the gateway. Thank you for doing what you do. 🎉🎉🎉
Mike, I’ve been listening to your teachings at work starting from the first one on Spotify, and I must say, I thank God so much for your ministry. You have helped me see the bible so much more clearly and fully. I pray that God takes what’s happening and uses it for his Glory. Maybe since people will be questioning your teachings, they will look more into it and be blessed by your ministry. how ever he does it I know Gods will will be done. Thank you again mike!
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You’re a huge blessing to me and a lot of other people, Pastor Mike.
This breaks my heart. I've been following your teachings for a couple years now, and I've come to recognize that you are a solid teacher. I'm impressed with how gracious you're being with these two because I know that I'd be ready to go off the deep end if it had been me.
Just so you know, I'm not usually one to write comments, but I just want to say, God bless and keep up the good work.
Mike. Like you I tend to be calm when under fire but when the bullets keep coming, I can only take so much. It's like having a coke can. It gets shaken a wee bit and it's ok, but then it gets shaken again and again until the pressure builds and when the lid is taken off it explodes everywhere. You have had a lot to deal with recently with Benny hinn and others.
We are human. We need to support each other in prayer. As a solid teacher, you will need constant prayer support 🙏🏼 we will pray for you. Thank you for everything. May the Lord be with you as you put out your content 🙏🏼
So proud of you Mike in attempting to set this record straight.. I will pray for these men and their ministries..
Thanks Mike. Thanks for taking the time, not just to respond but to pray and seek to put aside the flesh in this matter. It can't be easy, especially in light of it affecting many of those who have followed your teachings. Praying for continued wisdom, clarity and truth in this situation. Eyes on Christ 🙌
I am sad to see this. Your teachings have helped me steer clear of false doctrines on a number of occasions, and I thank God for finding your channel! Everything I've listened to from you is always very thorough and biblically based!
Mike you’re a great teacher, thank you for all your hard work. Jordan Riley, btwn and these other discernment channels waste too much time worrying about everyone else instead of just teaching the Word and letting people discern for themselves.
I’m glad you made this video just to show how to handle these situations in a Christlike manor. I don’t have a UA-cam following but just in general I have a problem of reacting in negative ways when people say similar things about me. It is useful to see how you respond to stuff like this!
"Don't be in a camp. Just get clarity and truth, and have a loving attitude toward both sides. The division is one of the dangers of all of this." Amen!
Thank you for exemplifying how to handle disagreements in the body, and for your ministry.
These slanderers are jealous of you. So sorry you have to go through this Mike. We know you are a great and sound teacher, and we so appreciate all your hard work to share the Gospel and teach the Bible well!