The "Absent Black Father" MYTH

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    The "Absent Black Father" has been cited as one of the major problems facing black communities. The problem is, the data doesn't line up with the narrative.
    nonmarital birth rate: www.cdc.gov/nc...
    divorce rate: www.bgsu.edu/n...
    black fathers more involved in children's lives: www.cdc.gov/nc...
    money and parenting style affect children's outcomes: www.brookings....
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 938

  • @easternscreechowl6701
    @easternscreechowl6701 3 роки тому +1243

    "...lazy, drug addicted, uncivilized people who sit around and wait for the government to bail them out of the consequences of their own bad decisions." Sounds like the rich to me.

    • @CarlosHernandez-jv6wk
      @CarlosHernandez-jv6wk 3 роки тому +43

      Where is the lie?

    • @theshamanite
      @theshamanite 3 роки тому +22

      No poor person can afford to get addicted to substances, but some people especially can XD

    • @tdr.220
      @tdr.220 3 роки тому +23

      The breakdown of the family structure CAME from slavery. In most African nations today, single parenting isn't celebrating like it is in the U.S. There is a "baby mama' trend that has grown over the past few decades. The single parenting rate was actually lower after the civil rights movement but then increased because of a huge cultural shift.

    • @audiotap8332
      @audiotap8332 3 роки тому +4

      sounds delicious

    • @EveryTimeV2
      @EveryTimeV2 3 роки тому +4

      Drug addiction, laziness, and lack of civility has social and genetic factors. It's not their fault, if actions are caused moral culpability becomes impossible. But let's get down to it. The shame around these things as failure causes more of the same. It's a negative loop. You do drugs to escape the pain, the need for drugs causes problems, those problems cause people to hate you more because they have their own problems and ultimately saving you requires help, hard work, and dedication. The easy way out is to just abandon these people, and to reduce the shame of personally failing them by turning them into malicious actors that justify your hate of them.
      People avoid reality because it's uncomfortable. I think this is called wilful ignorance.

  • @SomePersonInTheWorld
    @SomePersonInTheWorld 3 роки тому +532

    When we expect people to do better they usually do, but why are we always just asking minorities to do it? I've met multiple people with parents who don't treat them well, a lot of them weren't black. Child abuse isn't a race issue and we should be taking it more seriously.

    • @genieglasslamp5028
      @genieglasslamp5028 3 роки тому +46

      But that would be holding everyone accountable equally, we cant have that now can we.

    • @JWFdocumentaries
      @JWFdocumentaries 3 роки тому +15

      yes and also, neglect.

    • @ambriaashley3383
      @ambriaashley3383 3 роки тому +7

      absolutely. this is so true. we have to act on it now and I will do my part to make that happen ✊🏿

    • @idenree8606
      @idenree8606 3 роки тому

      how do I say as politely as I can ?
      YOU'RE " DEBUNKING " AN ARGUMENT THAT NO ONE MAKES .

    • @bubblebubble2635
      @bubblebubble2635 3 роки тому +1

      So true I was always thought it was only Bipoc were the ones who had the child abuse problem by the man who had abused me and my family from the beginning it is just I was not what I was though to look for.

  • @smbusinessowner
    @smbusinessowner 3 роки тому +641

    It's nice to have a UA-camr that doesn't totally drown himself in irony

    • @Lrripper
      @Lrripper 3 роки тому +23

      Shows he isn’t insecure at all,, which is commandable because being a youtuber must be stressful.

    • @clarkharrell2227
      @clarkharrell2227 3 роки тому +3

      I think I know whachu mean, but could you elaborate?

    • @smbusinessowner
      @smbusinessowner 3 роки тому +36

      A typical "video essay" on UA-cam can't go longer than one complete thought without a sarcastic aside or cutting away to a meme or some nonsense humor. I'm not judging people who do this. On the internet there's countless other things people can instantly click to, so you have to hold their attentions. T1J does it a little bit because he's not carved out of wood, but it's refreshing to watch his video and not have that coming at me just non-stop the whole time. A nice change of pace.

    • @YTwoKay
      @YTwoKay 3 роки тому +23

      This is a godtier comment. The necessity of irony is poisoning our communication. Say what you mean and MEAN IT. No need to half-believe everything or undercut your message with a sarcastic comment or bad joke.

    • @clarkharrell2227
      @clarkharrell2227 3 роки тому +9

      @@smbusinessowner YES! I know exactly what you mean! It is great to see someone more straightforward and earnest.

  • @skytimely
    @skytimely 3 роки тому +348

    Also, another thing that I thought about while watching was that more people are likely to call out black male celebrities for having many kids, abandoning their kids, not paying child support, etc, while almost totally ignoring the many other black male celebrities that are in their child’s life. Since they are in a wealth class and status way out of the normal persons, it’s easier for the public to use the “broken black family” trope and further push their narrative. The whole stigma needs to be trashed.

    • @skytimely
      @skytimely 3 роки тому +33

      *elaborating on the celebrity part: they could say something like-“look, even with fame, fortune, and stability, they are still absent fathers!” , but they completely neglect the great number of black male celebrities that are completely involved in their children’s lives.

    • @brianb.6356
      @brianb.6356 3 роки тому +24

      Also, like, white male celebrities aren't exactly known for being good dads either.

    • @rich6754
      @rich6754 3 роки тому +7

      It’s a good thing they’re called out. It is bad to ignore your kids you created. Also it is really not a trope it is a reality for many people

    • @Zeverinsen
      @Zeverinsen 3 роки тому

      John Legend seems like the best father around.

    • @darrengordon-hill
      @darrengordon-hill 3 роки тому +2

      FATHERS > "male celebrities"

  • @BronxDad1977
    @BronxDad1977 5 місяців тому +10

    How is 71% 1 parent homes NOT A PROBLEM???

    • @cheffervdb4736
      @cheffervdb4736 День тому

      If u divorced but ur dad comes everyday technically your a 1 parent household

    • @cheffervdb4736
      @cheffervdb4736 День тому

      That don’t mean u got no daddy and also I think fatherless really isn’t the main issue. African Americans live in a system against them their is more evidence that America is still anti black than is neutral/not. No present father can fix housing and loan discrimination owned by whites 🤷🏿‍♂️ sad truth

  • @sarahtaylor4264
    @sarahtaylor4264 3 роки тому +71

    Something people don't talk about much is how awful getting married for the wrong reason is. My grandmother got pregnant with my mom in the 1960s in a very conservative area. Her and my grandfather did the shotgun wedding out of social obligation. They lasted four years, but it was chaotic and they fought all the time. The custody battle scarred my mom. They fought until the birth of their first grandchild (not me). I wonder what would have been if they never got married and co-parented instead.
    I'm fairly conservative overall, but people should not be forced to marry someone due to a child. It matters more that they are civil, stable, and involved. Children need good parental figures or role models who can teach them to be good people. I get that abusive parents are a different conversation. It may be better that they have limited to no involvement depending on the situation.

    • @narnigrin
      @narnigrin 3 роки тому +15

      Civil, stable and involved for the win! There was a study made on Swedish families a couple years ago, which looked at outcomes for children of separated parents vs parents who stayed together. It found that while, yes, children whose parents stayed together had better outcomes than kids who lived with one parent and didn't see their other parent much, the group that did the best overall was actually the kids whose parents had separated but shared equal responsibility in their upbringing nonetheless (as in, kids lived every other week with either parent, or similar arrangements). The speculation was that perhaps, some of the still-together households did not share equal responsibility in child upbringing in the way that the separated-but-well-functioning families did.
      (Also, all the kids in the study had started out with both parents living together, so the worse outcomes were still only relevant to children who had lost close contact with a parent due to separation; it didn't look at children who only had one parent from the start or who grew up with more than two parent figures, which I suppose might have made the results even more interesting.)

    • @sarahtaylor4264
      @sarahtaylor4264 3 роки тому +8

      @@narnigrin Sometimes people make good friends, but horrible spouses. I do believe sex should be kept in marriage personally, but if someone chooses not to wait I hope they are safe. Trying to fix one bad decision with another bad decision rarely works well for anything.
      Cool study. It would be interesting to see this done with single parent from birth and foster/adopted children as well.

  • @megantaylor2871
    @megantaylor2871 3 роки тому +86

    Man you really broke down a stereotype that I didn’t even think I had. Thank you.

    • @smiley4669
      @smiley4669 3 роки тому

      Parental statistics are a Myth!!! I get the facts from college drop out TJ and daddy Vauch who plays videogames and eats tendies just like me!!! This is a lie from the CIA imperalists and the war on drugs who is making up the stats to hurt the black fathers for racism and the oil profits of Jeff Bezos!!!

  • @aaronpoole5531
    @aaronpoole5531 3 роки тому +29

    I'm glad you mentioned that you can be present without being married, not something people think about that often. Saying that, a lot of people don't think in general.

  • @lurkingwhorror
    @lurkingwhorror 3 роки тому +72

    "Who the hell am I, or you, or anybody, to tell somebody else how to live their life?" Dear God I hope this is not taken as antagonistic. But the trauma from growing up poor, and knowing for a fact my parents knew they could not give me a good life and still chose to have me and my brothers, feels awful. It is a huge burden to overcome to not blame your parents for having you when you grow up like this. I definitely don't blame them anymore, but while I'd love to think I've moved on totally, I definitely haven't. I can only imagine that trying to process this trauma while compounded with a racist myth about your own father would be incredibly difficult to overcome.

    • @leviangel97
      @leviangel97 3 роки тому +8

      I think the healthy response to this is that we need stronger social support for children and their parents

  • @JustNopeX
    @JustNopeX 3 роки тому +90

    This country needs a lot of work and I don't hate America. It's possible to believe both things. Life has nuance and people choose to ignore it.
    I feel hopeful listening to you, T1J.

  • @aimemaggie
    @aimemaggie 3 роки тому +128

    Is government: Complains about black fatherhood rates...puts black men in jail at higher rates
    Surprised piccachu face

    • @RobertSmith-yc4fl
      @RobertSmith-yc4fl 3 роки тому +9

      That wouldn't explain the extremely high percentage of black kids who are raised in households where the father is absent.

    • @RobertSmith-yc4fl
      @RobertSmith-yc4fl 3 роки тому +6

      Not that many black men are in jail to account for most of them being absent.

    • @RobertSmith-yc4fl
      @RobertSmith-yc4fl 3 роки тому +2

      @SAMUEL JEAN Yes, that doesn't mean i agree with everything he says.

    • @nixonesport1998
      @nixonesport1998 3 роки тому +1

      Damn dont kill each other over drugs then

    • @darrengordon-hill
      @darrengordon-hill 3 роки тому +1

      CRIMINALS GO TO JAIL.

  • @kevintrumbull5620
    @kevintrumbull5620 3 роки тому +81

    Once again, I find myself impressed with the depth of thought on something that's more complicated than the soundbites that we hear in the news will allow for.
    As T1J said, It's complicated. No human activity happens in a vacuum. There's history, societal biases, and other things at play.
    This is a thoughtful, insightful, and instructive look at something that's anything but simple.

  • @austinluther5825
    @austinluther5825 3 роки тому +298

    It seems like the "absent black father" trope is, among other things, another way to demonize black men. The absent father for being a deadbeat and heartless, and the child (usually specified as the son) for ending up damaged and unstable as a result. And people can go on portraying black men as scary and dangerous.

    • @TheZoeBig
      @TheZoeBig 3 роки тому +32

      How is it a trope? He himself showed that 44% black fathers don’t live with their children. That’s almost half and the highest of all races. This is a fact.
      I don’t understand as black people we’d want to deny that. Shouldn’t we try to improve that? We know that fathers living with their kids greatly improve their chance of a better life. Don’t you want black kids to do better in life?

    • @JossephDavvid
      @JossephDavvid 3 роки тому +22

      @@gwendolynnemckay9240 Childred everywhere who live at home with "both" father and mother do better across virtually every socioeconomic and educational category. While refutations such as offered by the author of this video may make make us "feel" better, it does absolutely nothing to change the disturbing realities of so many Black children where it matters most.

    • @thevioletskull8158
      @thevioletskull8158 3 роки тому +1

      I’m not a psychologist but I think the reason why people with a mum and dad for parents “do better” is because society expects that way,if you have a Single parent,no parents, gay parents or what ever you’re family is,your going to get discriminated because of it sadly. If people where just not so thing about “having to get married and have kids” and expected different types of people, then the world would be better.

    • @andreaslundberg2978
      @andreaslundberg2978 3 роки тому +4

      @@thevioletskull8158 No, I think you are only partially correct. Two people can simply help their kids better than one and parents spend enough time with their kids for it to make a real difference. Also, as pointed out, two parents usually mean more money, which definitely helps.

    • @suf1an658
      @suf1an658 3 роки тому

      @@thevioletskull8158 maybe during your childhood but I don't see that having a huge effect on your overall life. Except for the gay parents, you're not really getting bullied for the other one's so I doubt discrimination will be that impactful

  • @ddamianforeman8803
    @ddamianforeman8803 3 роки тому +40

    Being a white dude raised in a very, very, very conservative area of Arizona, I hear often about the "absent Mexican father" instead. The less enlightened individuals in this neck of the woods think that every square mile south of the border is Mexico, stretching, apparently, all the way to the southern tip of South America.
    And here I was thinking *my* education was lackluster...

    • @damarideadass8305
      @damarideadass8305 Рік тому

      Arizona, the only state that doesn’t recognize MLK day.

  • @Mallory-Malkovich
    @Mallory-Malkovich 3 роки тому +417

    The myth of American exceptionalism is potentially the most dangerous belief in history. It's just one example of the many ways a substantial chunk of Americans have become detached from reality.

    • @llamamem
      @llamamem 3 роки тому +49

      As a European person, I’m fascinated by this delusion. As a child I did buy into this idea of the USA being a bastion of freedom and opportunity, mostly due to the way in which American media functions as propaganda. But USA’s image has deteriorated rapidly in the last decades, and I find it difficult to understand how its citizens still hold onto these ideas. Not that my country is perfect, I just don’t have any illusions with regards to it’s many issues.

    • @YumLemmingKebabs
      @YumLemmingKebabs 3 роки тому +14

      Basically, we need to have a way to justify maintaining our idealistic principles of "freedom and justice for all" while failing to live up to them at least as badly as countries without them... so we just decided to make believe.

    • @mamaundpapa9721
      @mamaundpapa9721 3 роки тому +1

      American *rhetorical pause* history that is. Oh the irony. I agree tho

    • @silviusuelbus3108
      @silviusuelbus3108 3 роки тому +2

      It reminds me of when Pete Seeger used to sing “what did you learn in school today” many years ago...like, this concept of America being a good country but not the best out there is nothing new, but it seems like these ideas never became the status quo, and it’s only when you recognise problems that you can fix them.

    • @glitchedgod
      @glitchedgod 3 роки тому +2

      You ever hear of this thing called fascism? lmao.

  • @WhichDoctor1
    @WhichDoctor1 3 роки тому +26

    The rich person looks down at all the poor people lower on the economic ladder than themselves and shakes their head sadly. "If only they'd worked a little bit harder and been less irresponsible" they say, taking a moment to stamp on the fingers of a poor person as they get a handhold on the rung below them. Sighing with paternal disappointment as the poor person falls back down to the bottom with broken fingers. "Such a waste of potential, if only their parents had gotten married they could have made it." they muse to themselves as they start throwing stones at the people further down.

  • @BellaMusical
    @BellaMusical 3 роки тому +52

    If you're rich and you let nannies raise your children, you're also absent in a way. The children might not suffer financially, but often mentally. Just look at how many nasty rich kids there are. They commit crimes too, but they get bailed out.

    • @bakerfresh
      @bakerfresh 3 роки тому +1

      It's a sick world. They'll get bailed out, a killer can go free from an activist judge...but they all Love those Pot charges?!?
      Then again as well, worse off drugs and you'll usually be set free in a couple months or years. Big sentences seem to be there to boost the DAs or Judges stats depending on who will recommend then to higher courts.

    • @bakerfresh
      @bakerfresh 3 роки тому

      @@kingkris6877 it still helps, having both positive models for all situations.
      It gives value to a life to commit to ine another and a strong family bond.
      A different Man or Woman every night leaves the kid jaded, but likely to repeat the process.
      Now, it's not necessary to always say Not All, and that goes for single parents. And sometimes it works out fine, and some families maybe shouldn't be together making it worse. It's overall.
      Just like when they mention the crime and statistics. Not all, but those boys out there murdering constantly usually don't have that. Those that argue either had a strong Mom or Dad in their life...and weren't doing those things. So it's exceptions.
      To truly bust the myth is really to either word the influence of parents better or calculate how many criminals with at least bad raps and count how involved the parents are...or their message.
      There's a lot to look at, and just saying parents is the simplified way.
      There's also times where the women, push the Dad's away because they can get money and find another and repeat.
      It happens. Again, you shouldn't have to say Not ALL, and maybe shouldn't except as that unless said ALL in the first place.

    • @bakerfresh
      @bakerfresh 3 роки тому

      @@kingkris6877 Yeah I wrote it tired and could have used quotations to emphasize points or at least what I was saying.
      I really don't get what you took from my comment and felt that you decided to just generically fill in the blanks.
      As the usual for conversations like this and by your own response I was saying NOT ALL ahead of time assuming that is what would be taken.
      And I mentioned the many nuanced situations. Sometimes they ARE better off separate. It's the involvement in the kids lives that matter and the morals and life lessons they teach them.
      Not Saying ALL is also because there are too many scenarios of whose a parent, grand parent, Aunt Uncle, Guardian, Mentor...or child molester, R4pist, deadbeat, criminal, drunkard....or Hero, Champion...or kid could be math whiz, trouble maker, ASB treasurer...
      Generalizations make it easy. Just set parameters and acknowledge there aren't always absolutes.

    • @UnironicallyToast
      @UnironicallyToast Рік тому

      @@bakerfreshsays a lot about people who cant get their point across in short sentences

    • @bonchidude
      @bonchidude Рік тому

      That is merely yt privilege on steroids. Rich yt ppl have extra privilege, but yt priv is real.

  • @alexreid1173
    @alexreid1173 2 роки тому +6

    Why do people act like just because you live with your child means your not absent? I’ve known so many parents that lived with their kids but spent most of their time traveling or working or at happy hours or drinking and ignoring their kids. My mom worked so much when I was I kid, I basically felt like I didn’t have a mom unless she was taking days off. She lived with me, but I only saw her for like 10 minutes a day. I saw her less than a lot of kids who only see their parents every other weekend! That’s still pretty absent.

  • @saffodils
    @saffodils 3 роки тому +180

    This makes so much sense! I'm white and was raised by divorced parents and I never felt like I suffered for my parents not being married/in a romantic relationship with each other. In fact, I've seen very toxic relationships result from people trying to "stay together for the kids" when they would have made a better parenting team if they had separated. So it's clearly a myth that Black parents must be a married family unit in order to be there for their kids.

    • @tdr.220
      @tdr.220 3 роки тому +10

      The breakdown of the family structure CAME from slavery. In most African nations today, single parenting isn't celebrated like it is in the U.S. There is a "baby mama' trend that has grown over the past few decades. The single parenting rate was actually lower after the civil rights movement but then increased because of a huge cultural shift.

    • @Nazyr
      @Nazyr 3 роки тому +1

      @@tdr.220 bingo.

    • @nateb4543
      @nateb4543 2 роки тому

      @TDr. How would you explain the cultural shift? I hear things like welfare state, prison industrial complex, crack epidemic, manufacturing jobs being exported, etc. Let's assume it's a variety of factors, but I'm on the outside looking in with issues affecting the black community. So I can only guess. Your comment leads me to think you'd have a better explanation than my guesses. So, why the post civil Rights Culture shift?

    • @maxbarkdull875
      @maxbarkdull875 2 роки тому +1

      Nice personal anecdote.

    • @Akilahfoye
      @Akilahfoye 2 роки тому

      @@nateb4543 I think it's a bot. Seen this copy pasted comment several times.

  • @angledgaze6203
    @angledgaze6203 3 роки тому +137

    I can't believe I didn't realize that unmarried doesn't necessarily equal absent. In my defense this is something I didn't particularly care about, but still. Anyway, now I know better. Thank you T1J.

    • @IshtarNike
      @IshtarNike 3 роки тому +17

      Not entirely your fault. It's a common rhetorical technique and a method of lying with statistics.
      Talk about a statistic. Flash it on the screen. Then link it to something that could *reasonably* be thought to be related or even the same and just act as though your conclusion follows. If it's repeated enough times people will start to think your conclusion was actually in the statistic. Or even that the statistic was exactly the same e.g. people will repeat it as "absent" because that's how it's treated in the propaganda. It's a very insidious technique.

    • @freeindeed8416
      @freeindeed8416 3 роки тому +1

      It kinda does

    • @Adam-pc2cm
      @Adam-pc2cm 3 роки тому +1

      @@freeindeed8416 Watch the video?

    • @freeindeed8416
      @freeindeed8416 3 роки тому

      @@Adam-pc2cm I did. It still does

    • @Adam-pc2cm
      @Adam-pc2cm 3 роки тому +2

      @@freeindeed8416 T1J was literally raised by unmarried parents and neither of them were absent…?

  • @Chae_shay
    @Chae_shay 3 роки тому +29

    This isn't a "trope." It's the truth, as sad as it is. As a Black woman, looking around and being with other Black women, I see many absent fathers. And it's not just my friends. It's the new Black women and stories I hear from them and their lives. Only in the Black community is this gaslighting from our men so damn suffocating. Constantly making us doubt our reality because you secretly don't want us to withdraw our support no matter how many of y'all say you don't want us.

    • @denziledwards1213
      @denziledwards1213 Рік тому

      listen, do what you want to do. its a FACT that black women only mate with 13% of the men in the community, which are the pookie and ray rays. just stop blaming all black men because you opened your legs to thugs and had their children. we have had enough of yall and your stereotypes!!!!! we see you as how we see white supremacist's. just go already and date other groups of men!!!!!

    • @mizsevenoneeight685
      @mizsevenoneeight685 Рік тому

      I was starting to think this whole thread was either blind, deaf, dumb or just willfully ignorant at alarming levels. The “trope” is a fact as it relates to alarming rates of fatherless black children and black men’s COLLECTIVE failure to satisfy basic tenets of manhood!

    • @D-Thang_
      @D-Thang_ 11 місяців тому

      They probably loved the D boys.

    • @BellaZ209
      @BellaZ209 10 місяців тому +2

      👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

    • @tyronelorenzovalentio3414
      @tyronelorenzovalentio3414 4 місяці тому

      It is a tropur experience isn’t everyone
      😂😂😂😂

  • @MitchCrane
    @MitchCrane 3 роки тому +38

    I don't know how many people liked this video, but I'm one of them.

  • @monimuppet6132
    @monimuppet6132 3 роки тому +40

    This was a good one. Correcting our own preconceived notions can also help. A guy once asked me if my parents were still married (I was 37 at the time). I said, "no" and he immediately says, "Oh, so you got those Daddy issues." He assumed 1) that my father was absent and 2) that I am "damaged" because of it - all off that one, solitary detail. So instead of spending any time actually getting to know each other, it was just me attempting, politely, to correct his misconceptions. We didn't speak much after that and I bet he's still confused as to why.
    Until the systemic issues are remedied, stop worrying about my parental a familial relations because you'll be well out of your depth. Those also aren't things for "allies" to tackle.

  • @fruitygarlic3601
    @fruitygarlic3601 3 роки тому +17

    As someone in the Caribbean, I wasn't even aware that this was something that was said about black fathers specifically. So many in my family are unmarried folks with kids, who they still care for with their partners - which is the only consistent thing about heterosexual forms of "marriage" throughout human culture. Of all the guys I know taken to court about unpaid child support or neglect, most are European expats or rich divorced people. Uh-oh.

  • @oohforf6375
    @oohforf6375 3 роки тому +35

    Thank you for this vid, you broke down a stereotype that I myself have been troubled with for the longest time. I'm a Jamaican-Canadian and I was raised similarly to you as it concerns the single mother and a present father. However, I also happen to come from a large family and was also partially raised by my older sister, so I had some support systems in place. My dad wasn't "in the house" per se, but he didn't really need to be.
    As a silly anecdote, I've noticed in my time that a whole lot of white parents in North America happen to be divorced, but that's something that's hardly ever weaponized against them 👀.

    • @BlackMita
      @BlackMita 3 роки тому +3

      Damn, good point re: divorced white parents.

    • @saffodils
      @saffodils 3 роки тому +8

      I've read stories from the last century in which divorce is the end of someone's social capital, and it's amazing the progress that we've made to destigmatize it since then-though as with other stigmas we're making progress on, it seems like the destigmatization happens first for those who are already privileged. Divorce statistics always seem to come up when conservatives are trying to shame Black people and other minorities (including the concept of feminism, as if women are the only participants in heterosexual divorces).

    • @williammcalpine2718
      @williammcalpine2718 3 роки тому +2

      You make such a good point you see so many movies that look at the nuance of divorced white and blended families being healthy whereas as black divorced families are always toxic.

  • @Griffin-sr3ej
    @Griffin-sr3ej 3 роки тому +5

    This is a great video. It’s also been shown that one of the biggest reasons relationship break up is due to financial struggles so broken families are unfortunately more common in lower income areas

  • @klosnj11
    @klosnj11 3 роки тому +16

    As a parent myself (white dude here), i have never believed specifically that having a father at home was what made the difference, or a mother for that matter. What was important seems to be having two different adults that communicate well with each other, and work well together. An abusive father and alcoholic mother will not be as good as a stable and functional lesbian or gay couple, just because we have the gender boxes checked.
    One of the biggest things kids can learn through observation is how to treat others and how to communicate with them. They should see both sides making sacrifices for the good of the household, compromises being made, and other healthy interactions. You get that, and you are going to have a better outcome for the kid.

  • @zorkanH8
    @zorkanH8 6 місяців тому +5

    I am black. I dont have a father. None of my 3 aunt's children, my cousins have fathers. Only one of my black friends has a dad. Statistically im looking at a 1/9 black people (including me) who has fathers. This aint no myth

  • @evancarterful
    @evancarterful Рік тому +9

    … it’s amazing how many people in these comments accept this persons opinion. For whatever reason black fathers are absent - the data doesn’t lie. It’s not a myth, it’s a problem.

    • @user-dj7mp2xi6l
      @user-dj7mp2xi6l 11 місяців тому

      No one accepts this nonsense.
      There's almost no black fathers out there.

    • @KornFlace
      @KornFlace 7 місяців тому

      🤫

  • @yoavrahm2748
    @yoavrahm2748 3 роки тому +52

    This whole "greatest country" thing always reminded of the way some Jews all over the world speak of Israel. Just like many Americans are willing to overlook the systemic problems in the US because they think it is the "greatest country", a lot of Jews are willing to overlook systemic problems in Israel because it is a "Jewish State" and it must be protected at all costs...it is a country people, all countries make mistakes and we should address those mistakes, not make excuses. FYI, I was born in Israel, spent 30 years in US and other places in the world, then moved back to Israel last few years.

    • @elenapopovic2527
      @elenapopovic2527 3 роки тому +5

      This is a thing everywhere. I was born in Yugoslavia and grew up in Canada, it's the same thing with both countries and cultures I grew up with. Most people have trouble with concepts like criticism=/=betrayal and are easily silenced by "patriots" who arent really patriotic, but are authoritarian right wing numbskulls cloaking their nonsense in their patriotism.

    • @sandyracky9265
      @sandyracky9265 3 роки тому

      You can be great and have flaws. I am not seeing why your definition of great means, great at all things, at all times, and makes all the correct decisions? Most people are referring to the economic, cultural and military power of the US. No other country in the world has been as rich, powerful, or influential to the world in the history of mankind. Of course a lot of that is timing and not merit.

    • @yoavrahm2748
      @yoavrahm2748 3 роки тому

      @@sandyracky9265 There is a big difference between thinking your country is "great" and thinking your country is the "greatest".
      I am talking about the latter, if someone thinks they are the greatest they have no reason to think that what they are doing might be wrong.

    • @sandyracky9265
      @sandyracky9265 3 роки тому

      @@yoavrahm2748 So you don't like stupid people and stupid people in powerful countries is a bad idea. I agree.

    • @yoavrahm2748
      @yoavrahm2748 3 роки тому

      @@sandyracky9265 Not real sure where you got "stupid people" from what I said, but what ever floats your boat

  • @terrinils3165
    @terrinils3165 3 роки тому +42

    As someone who serves in the military, I've had several conversations with white service members that claim that problems within the black community negatively affects white communities because the government has to spend more resources supporting dysfunctional black families. They often use the words of "black leaders" who openly speak about solving the problems within the black community as validation for their beliefs. Anytime I try to counter their arguments rationally and respectfully, that take my willingness to meet them halfway as acquiescence. They never, EVER speak on problems in white communities and neither do black people unless it effects us directly.

  • @jimmyjohnson7191
    @jimmyjohnson7191 3 роки тому +7

    As a black father I cannot imagine in a million years ever not being there for my kids. None of the black fathers I know would think any differently than this.

  • @tdr.220
    @tdr.220 3 роки тому +13

    The breakdown of the family structure CAME from slavery. In most African nations today, single parenting isn't celebrated like it is in the U.S. There is a "baby mama' trend that has grown over the past few decades. The single parenting rate was actually lower after the civil rights movement but then increased because of a huge cultural shift.

    • @TheZoeBig
      @TheZoeBig 3 роки тому +6

      "But no, the terrible "baby mama/daddy" culture has absolute no effect on our black kids. It's all racism's fault!" This video is utter nonsense.

    • @proton8689
      @proton8689 2 роки тому +1

      @@TheZoeBig And why would there be a 'baby mamma' trend in the first place. Was there some kind of environmental factors that contributed?

    • @NotoriousMinion
      @NotoriousMinion Рік тому

      Ummm just no. The family structure was far more intact for the century following the end of slavery than it was for ten years after Lyndon B. Johnson’s ‘Great Society’ programs came into effect.
      Explain to me how homes were more intact for a century after slavery and then BEGAN to break up significantly after one of the largest social programs went into effect, is somehow slavery’s fault…?

    • @ConservativeBaddieTV
      @ConservativeBaddieTV 2 місяці тому

      Unless they were sold off, even slaves, stuck around and took care of their children

  • @LACraKYA
    @LACraKYA Рік тому +3

    Victim Olympics
    3 time GOLD medalist
    🥇🥇🥇

  • @gnomie2.0
    @gnomie2.0 3 роки тому +13

    Thanks for your research and commentary! Great video. ✨

  • @gfxpimp
    @gfxpimp 3 роки тому +94

    Is marriage merely a reflection of economic and other privileges, or is it a cause? I don't have hard data to say it is a cause, but I have been making that assumption most of my life. It is worth thinking about. Thank you.

    • @zoebailey
      @zoebailey 3 роки тому +2

      well put

    • @andyk10013
      @andyk10013 3 роки тому +5

      Agreed. Marriage creates a power dynamic for those whose relationship is permanent above those who live lives understanding temporary dynamics. Polyamory is natural, and we shouldn’t entrench single relationships above others.
      Families are not two parents. They’re communities.

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen 3 роки тому +7

      Right? Does getting married make you a good parent, or do good parents just feel motivated to get married?

    • @drummerofawe
      @drummerofawe 3 роки тому +9

      I don't think this is exactly what you're asking, but it is interesting to note that in many places there are loads of financial benefits to being married: tax benefits, lower insurance rates and so on. These benefits are often most pronounced when one partner earns significantly more than the other. This is part of why I've never really liked the idea of marriage as an institution, laws favour a certain (outdated?) notion of life over other options. I don't know a ton about this so don't quote me on it, but definitely something to think about.

    • @doppelrutsch9540
      @doppelrutsch9540 3 роки тому +10

      @@andyk10013 While I agree about the community aspect of child raising - you should be careful not to fall into the naturalistic fallacy and to properly look at the biology if you are trying to use it as an argument. Monogamy also happens in nature a lot. It does have some advantages. To exactly what extend this is exactly present in "natural" humans is probably impossible to answer but I expect that it varies a lot between individuals.

  • @erosion2205
    @erosion2205 3 роки тому +6

    Statistically speaking, most black families lack a present father figure. A father =/= somebody who shows up every other month or every other year. Acknowledge the issue, that's the first step

    • @TheAstuteGoy
      @TheAstuteGoy 3 роки тому

      @naitethagr8 Well the CDC lied about the COVID deaths soo not the most credible source anymore. Also The Us Census Bureau >>> CDC 💀

  • @kieraholmes3828
    @kieraholmes3828 3 роки тому +11

    The government broke up the black family and we are still having an after effect from it.
    Yea i said it!

    • @jon-fn7ob
      @jon-fn7ob 3 роки тому

      The Bw took the deal with the devil is what it is

    • @OreoOreoCookie234
      @OreoOreoCookie234 2 роки тому

      @@jon-fn7ob Bm are deadbeats in every community

  • @skyandrews2613
    @skyandrews2613 Рік тому +4

    It's not a "myth" its a reality for so many people, and the reason why I'm never having kids and I don't date black men. I don't say this out of hatred either, I just don't due to my own experiences/trauma and experiences where I was sexualized by black men as a child.

    • @newstation795
      @newstation795 Рік тому

      You are white

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      it is a myth. again the reality is black fathers are taking care of their kids far more than all other groups.

  • @brotherthorns4615
    @brotherthorns4615 3 роки тому +14

    Traditionalists are obsessed with the idea of the perfect nucular family unit. It's truly weird, but they think it is the root of all morality.

    • @elenapopovic2527
      @elenapopovic2527 3 роки тому +1

      That's because its tied to patriarchal control, which is tied to fascism. Amerikkka always has been and always will be fascist.

    • @brotherthorns4615
      @brotherthorns4615 3 роки тому +3

      @@elenapopovic2527 Well, the nucular family ideal rose in the early 1900s I think. It's probably tied with racism, religious customs, and capitalist ideals/consumerism, but I know early sitcoms were important in normalizing it. I don't know if it's necessarily patriarchal though, although there are patriarchal elements that were mixed in with it.

    • @elenapopovic2527
      @elenapopovic2527 3 роки тому +1

      @@brotherthorns4615 all of that is correct, but the patriarchal thing is absolutely involved. There is no nuclear family if women dont "get in line" get to baby incubating, raising and homemaking. Creating a whole culture of pressure around this is absolutely part of the patriarchy. If most women were informed on how negatively marriage and motherhood actually impact them, the entire modern system and economy would collapse cause everyone would opt out the way I did.

    • @theezenriarinze9203
      @theezenriarinze9203 3 роки тому

      @@elenapopovic2527 That doesn't make sense given women are the biggest consumers and put back in as much as ya'll take out.

    • @elenapopovic2527
      @elenapopovic2527 3 роки тому +1

      @@theezenriarinze9203 if by consumption, you mean shopping for a family's needs (and for those that can afford it, wants) then yes. Women are the biggest consumers. That's part of why patriarchy and capitalism is intertwined, in fact, now they have women and their husbands both working full time for the same wage as before the 70's and they're getting twice the productivity out of every nuclear family unit. As for what women put into a system compared to what they get out of it, absolutely, we put in way more. Not only do we work full time, consume more premade food products at a higher cost because of it, but we also still keep reproducing children who grow up to be taxpayers and consumers too. If we stopped, literally everything would fall apart. Dont look at me, life has gotten so expensive for young women that they're opting out of motherhood at higher rates than ever and the birth rate in late capitalist countries is falling rapidly. Then the powers that be start to panic, because there might not be enough children in the next generation to prop up the older generations. Once again I assert, patriarchy is intimately tied to capitalism. Though off course, patriarchies were enforced even in communist countries because we didnt unmindfuck ourselves from this and other forms of hierarchical control, and that's part of what weakened us and made communism fail. A real, lasting communism would abolish a patriarchy, but then a lot of petty living room tyrants would be sad because they cant punch and rape their wives to their hearts content.

  • @HollowGolem
    @HollowGolem 3 роки тому +10

    I know anecdotes are not data, but as a white dude, EVERY SINGLE ONE of my black friends has a better relationship with their father than I have with mine. THeir dads were more supportive of them growing up, contributed more to the household, and just generally weren't assholes the way mine was until I moved out (and I bet he's still an asshole; I just haven't talked to him in a few years).

  • @camelopardalis84
    @camelopardalis84 3 роки тому +24

    As I just said in the stream: "That was good!"

  • @alexrose20
    @alexrose20 3 роки тому +13

    I want to share this with my mom just to specifically call her out

  • @tesznye6992
    @tesznye6992 3 роки тому +6

    Not related to the topic but T1J has such a nice, comforting voice.

  • @coachfezz1137
    @coachfezz1137 2 роки тому +6

    Its not a myth

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      it is a myth

    • @coachfezz1137
      @coachfezz1137 Рік тому +1

      @@darkstalkerknight63 i feel bad for black kids bc three quarters of them have no Dad and TV be always showing a black dad when it’s not reality

  • @happyslave9162
    @happyslave9162 3 роки тому +7

    "Some particularly embarrassing people" Yup. Tell it like it is.

  • @roxannejohnson3998
    @roxannejohnson3998 3 роки тому +28

    How can you say this?? I'm sorry, I'm Jamaican and the epidemic of missing fathers or abusive fathers is a reality there too. My parents are still married but my dad had literally squat to do with me growing up and even sometimes is not sure how old I am. I don't think it's helpful to take a situation that has had such an impact on the black community and call it a myth. And you were raised by a single mom! I'm raising my two sons by myself. I'm not saying there aren't some amazing black fathers out there, but saying the missing black father is a myth?? Now granted, you're right that conservatives take this fact and use it as ammunition against the black community, but sometimes the truth hurts.

    • @stoppit9
      @stoppit9 2 роки тому +6

      I think his point is less "bad Black dads don't exist" and more "bad dads aren't disproportionately Black"

    • @roxannejohnson3998
      @roxannejohnson3998 2 роки тому +4

      @@stoppit9 Any community leaders in the black community would say that one of our most prevalent social issues is the missing father. It's a big problem and it won't get solved by saying this isn't really a problem.

    • @roxannejohnson3998
      @roxannejohnson3998 2 роки тому +4

      @CrazyMikey4Life EXACTLY!! The truth hurts.

    • @randomami8176
      @randomami8176 2 роки тому

      I don’t think Barack Obama is a conservative.

    • @kwekunyameyie238
      @kwekunyameyie238 Рік тому

      Roxanne I hope you educate yourself on how propaganda works one day and stop just listening to what so called leaders tell you. 1LUV ✌🏽

  • @brentalfloss
    @brentalfloss 3 роки тому +9

    Great video!

    • @StNick119
      @StNick119 3 роки тому +1

      Oh hey I like your Dr Mario With Lyrics video.

  • @skytimely
    @skytimely 3 роки тому +10

    Good job on this video!!!! I just missed the premiere but I’m here now! :D

  • @Hakaanu
    @Hakaanu 3 роки тому +4

    I was a fatherless child of the 80s & 90s who grew up in predominantly black neighborhoods. I remember clearly how elementary school teachers would lecture black classmates on this exact topic while never shaming me for the same. Most of my teachers were black women and they seemed to go out of their way to berate black students (especially girls it seemed) for grammar, clothes, and home life in ways even 9 year old me found unacceptable.

  • @TheMorganVEVO
    @TheMorganVEVO 3 роки тому +8

    Thank you so much for making this video. That myth is EXHAUSTING! 😒 I’ve been reading a book called ‘The Way We Never Were’ by Stephanie Coontz and there’s a chapter in there specifically about the Black American family through the years. It turns out, white Americans have been scapegoating and mischaracterizing our family dynamics for literal centuries. It’s ridiculous.

  • @KarolaTea
    @KarolaTea 3 роки тому +18

    Great video, thank you!
    I'm not American, this might be the first time I heard this explicitly spoken about, and it slightly confused me cause... aren't fathers in general more likely to be absent/not super involved with their children's lives, bc of a combination of sexism and economic factors? Seems to be another case of finding an issue that is common in all parts of society, but only blaming marginalised groups for it -.-

  • @Jonquil_Studios
    @Jonquil_Studios 3 роки тому +4

    One additional point of nuance to add is, statistically, it's far more risky for a low-income woman or impoverished woman to get married than it is for a middle class or higher earning woman. Low income marriages have twice as high a rate of divorce, which lead to devestating financial setbacks for divorced women, including long periods of uninsurance (healthcare) and total loss of joint assets with little recourse for recompense (especially since they can't afford a good lawyer). At the same time, marriage can push a couple beyond the threshold to qualify for benefits like Section 8 housing and EBT.
    All these things considered, for low income women of any race, marriage is a high risk, low-reward scenario. It doesn't surprise me that many women opt out.
    Marriage is only stabilizing if you already have some money to begin with.

    • @bluman6793
      @bluman6793 3 роки тому

      Yes! Thank you for this comment.

  • @Wrtvrxgvcf55
    @Wrtvrxgvcf55 2 роки тому +3

    Great, so you just redefine fatherlessness. Any home in which a father figure's presence is not a main part of the family's cohesive structure would be considered fatherless.
    Knowing who your dad is, and seeing him once every month and twice during the holidays is NOT the same as having a father who is there literally every single day.

  • @Loriorealestate
    @Loriorealestate Рік тому +3

    It is now over 72% T1J, how high does it have to get before you recognize we have a problem?

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      you are talking about the marriage rate. people are just not getting married. and yet black fathers still taking care of their kids.
      using actual facts.

  • @everythingispolitics6526
    @everythingispolitics6526 3 роки тому +8

    I'd be so handy if you made a video connecting the absent Black fatherhood rhetoric with misogynoir. The sacrifices Black Mothers make and the strife they receive in return. Oh how I wish you touched on it. Great video nonetheless. Thanks

  • @Ladysolitude24
    @Ladysolitude24 3 роки тому +4

    Thanks for this video. I teach at a title one school and the fathers are very present. I have black fathers sitting right next to their babies on zoom helping them. Even before Covid they were present. Many also live in the homes. They just are not married to the mothers. I have worked in different areas in NY and this has been my experience.

  • @southernheretic
    @southernheretic 3 години тому

    This reminds me of something that happened while I was in a psych hospital. I had more or less formed a "friend group" with a few of the patients there; that was our main way of getting through our problems. The person I felt most attached to within them was a mixed guy in his mid 20s named Noah, who had spoken about having a 5 year old son and a baby on the way. One of the (white) girls in our group basically said something that insinuated him being his older son's life and not being in a pregnant girl's life. He was like, "No, no I'm with her (pregnant girl). I'm just not with my son's mom. Doesn't change the fact I love him, though". She was very quickly apologetic for making an assumption like that, and I remember at first I was a little judgmental of her for openly assuming something like that at all, and then I realized I'd assumed the same thing. Him having kids at a fairly young age with different people, not being married to them--things like that are where you really learn a lot as a white person attempting to unlearn things, because you think you've left behind the old school stuff, and then you realize you just judged a man for not being married like some kind of conservative Catholic. Like, when the doctors would be doing surveys and asking him what he looked forward to when he got home, he'd always say the first thing he'd do is hug his son. It was impossible not to smile when he'd talk about playing with his son because his face would just beam so bright. As someone who grew up with forced visitation with a neglectful father, it comforted me. You can't judge people's relationship dynamics or character like it's the 1950s. I'd known the "absent Black father" was a stereotype, but I had never known how and why in the same way I'd learned with other negative stereotypes, so I guess I'd let it float in my head because I'd heard it so much. This is a really good video that really helps solidify understanding for me, thank you man!

  • @anthoony972
    @anthoony972 3 роки тому +5

    I am a french black men and I have been told by to different white woman friend that black father are mainly absent from their children life. I corrected them by saying it was a stereotype and that I do have a great relation with my dad and as a black person I know multiple black people who have good relation with their father but they replied by talking about their 1-2 other black friends on which they based their opinion. What's even more crazy is that they both had not a so good relationship with their father…
    The two interaction happened with a less than two years interval

  • @ricksdiscountcloset2013
    @ricksdiscountcloset2013 7 місяців тому +2

    An absent father stopping by vs living with the child and participating in their lives is not nearly the same thing. Nice excuse for bad behavior tho.

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 7 місяців тому

      yes it isn't. and black fathers do both and double the number of white fathers.
      "The study provides a telling look at fatherhood among black, Latino and white men. The CDC found that a higher percentage of black fathers living with young children (up to age five) did daily activities like sharing meals, dressing their children, and reading to them than other fathers. Across the board, black dads did just as much as white and Latino dads, whether they live with or apart from their children."

  • @terrencelockett4072
    @terrencelockett4072 3 роки тому +53

    The saddest part about this is, people with "good intentions" that uphold this myth, also helps the power it gives to white supremacy. Constantly making black people have to feel like we need to be perfect to be accepted or just survive.

    • @darlalathan6143
      @darlalathan6143 3 роки тому +2

      I believe that's called "Respectability Politics," by "Concern Trolls" and "Benevolent Bigots" with "Condescending Compassion."

    • @bakerfresh
      @bakerfresh 3 роки тому +1

      @@darlalathan6143 it's not condescending to say an entire race is too dumb to find a library or find a government building.
      But then saying it's because it's the system, so just sit tight and wait for my help.
      When you can see they drive, have phones and internet.
      Pigeon holing an entire race and saying they are dumb, but then using quotes like most educated women, then going back to dumb but not their fault.
      How is that NOT condescending.
      Is there those types of problems in poor communities. Yeah. All over the world.
      Isolating and finding out why is a better start than just saying
      Everyone is dumb,
      But I'm smart.
      Listen to Me......(While saying Dumb stuff)

    • @Rickety3263
      @Rickety3263 2 роки тому +1

      "Discomfort is good. It inspires change and growth." It's common to feel that only perfection is accepted. Talk those feelings out. I think you're projecting your individual feelings on "black people" though, because if "making" people think something was that easy, we wouldn't need youtube comments

    • @terrencelockett4072
      @terrencelockett4072 2 роки тому +1

      @@Rickety3263
      It's literally a thing in the black community to blame ourselves for doing some of the same things that mostly all other communities do. If you're saying I need to talk it out with someone that clearly shows that "discomfort" doesn't inspire change and growth in everyone. And actually talking it out with a professional, I understand that it's a common problem for people to feel like only perfection is accepted. I've learned that for a good amount of people this type of thinking is a hindrance to their mental health. I also don't get the point of the "UA-cam comment" thing, because UA-cam comments don't really do much but keep up interaction for UA-cam algorithms.

    • @alicia.george
      @alicia.george 2 роки тому +1

      We all can do better. If father absent is more prevalent in the black community and people wanna address that, it should in my opinion just inspire people to do better. It’s just an unfortunate truth.

  • @xCestLaVie1
    @xCestLaVie1 2 роки тому +4

    Famous black people, even OBAMA spoke on the problem in the black community of absent fathers. Ignoring this issue won't make it go away. Labeling it as racist is just censoring talking about the issue.
    You see violent crime disproportionately skews to black Americans, the same criminals mostly have absent fathers. This isn't debatable at this point, it's been well known for years. Why is it than other minorities and ethnicities dont have this problem? Even Black African immigrants don't have this issue. Ignoring this just causes more children to suffer. Take some accountability and stop ignoring it.
    The argument about poverty is more like what came first, the chicken or the egg. If families were strong, if these men look accountability, there wouldn't be this perpetual poverty. Then you got people singing about it, making it culturally acceptable to have like 5 baby mommas. The fact is they make money on thay lifestyle, then sell that lifestyle through art to these impressionable teens. These teens get into crime because they can't be charged as an adult. Then the cycle continues. At what point does the community take a moment stop, and realize they need to all speak out about this?

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 2 роки тому

      Nobody is ignoring an issue here except for you though which is flying over your head because you didn't watch the video. At 4:20 he literally mentions people like Obama unconsciously repeat the myth of the absent black father and Obama himself is mentioned at 4:25. Statistically black people are less likely to get married and usually get married when they're older as opposed to white couples who get married in their early 20s. So while black couples aren't married, the father is still mostly present in the lives of their children but the stats get skewed because they're only looking at marriages on paper and not unmarried couples who live together

    • @xCestLaVie1
      @xCestLaVie1 2 роки тому

      @@Spongebrain97 pay attention to the context in which people are saying this. Most juvenile offenders who are black have no father present in their life. Most violent crime or gang related are black children. Obama isn't talking out of his ass for that one. This isn't just an issue of poverty, it's culture as well. You can go across the globe and see that in other cultures the family units are stronger even amongst people poorer than American inner city youth.

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 2 роки тому

      @@xCestLaVie1 you gotta actually watch the video dude. It goes over everything you're talking about. You can't keep saying "it's a cultural thing that isn't affecting other families" when the idea of the absent father is NOT unique to black Americans and this video points out studies that show that black men are mostly involved in their children's lives. It's just a myth thats been repeated for decades to where it's just accepted as fact. Black people just get married less often and some people jumped to conclusion that it meant black fathers were not in their children's lives, which studies show is not correct

    • @siphomnisi3842
      @siphomnisi3842 2 роки тому

      @@Spongebrain97 I still want to comprehend the influence of the father despite not being married

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 2 роки тому

      @@siphomnisi3842 couples literally live together as if they were married despite not being married on paper. It's not that hard to understand

  • @dominictemple
    @dominictemple 3 роки тому +8

    At 10:22 and laughing because you know the same people saying this are also the type of people to be against sex education, contraception and agressively anti-abortion. Great video as always mate/

  • @bonchidude
    @bonchidude Рік тому +1

    You are 10000000% right T1J.

  • @SpitefulRennie
    @SpitefulRennie 3 роки тому +8

    There are so many white folks who have kids without ever considering how to pay for them. The argument that black people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford to take care of them comes from the same place as the decision doctors made to sterilize black women in the 50s.
    Fabulous video as always!

  • @clartblart3266
    @clartblart3266 3 роки тому +2

    Welcome back, T1J ❤
    This might just be my new favorite video from you, a lot of people need to hear this. This idea is extremely outdated and untrue, thank you for this

  • @justinfenton9983
    @justinfenton9983 3 роки тому +6

    Great video as always!

  • @party4keeps28
    @party4keeps28 2 роки тому +3

    Unfortunately, the title of this video wasn't a myth where I grew up.

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      it was. you just didn't noticed it.

    • @party4keeps28
      @party4keeps28 Рік тому

      @@darkstalkerknight63 I was a minority where I grew up. I certainly noticed all my friends didn't have their fathers around.

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      @@party4keeps28 and so what. that is not the case unless you were in a mostly white area because it been proven that white fathers are far less likely to take care of their kids.
      but it been proven that 80% of black fathers take care of their kids. but conservatives look at marriage rates. people are just not getting married.

  • @pantopia3518
    @pantopia3518 3 роки тому +2

    When you have 10x as many subscribers the world will be a better place. Love all your videos, they’re so well thought out

  • @abebluestein1567
    @abebluestein1567 3 роки тому +9

    I'm happy I saw this. The stereotype had been parroted so much and so often that I had never thought to question it. Thank you for the video.

  • @dreadnegus
    @dreadnegus 2 роки тому

    Bless you king!! Too many are still unaware of this truth! Thank you for sharing this! Your delivery is on point! I'm subscribing just off this video!✊🏿👑

  • @kimmmimemwest1895
    @kimmmimemwest1895 3 роки тому +8

    I'm just now starting the video and I'm very interested to find out how are you going to turn the reality that we all witnessed into a myth

    • @alicia.george
      @alicia.george 2 роки тому

      It’s because it makes us feel bad & who wants to feel bad

  • @LightGlyphRasengan
    @LightGlyphRasengan 3 роки тому +2

    Dude glad to have you back

  • @jojojoejoe9977
    @jojojoejoe9977 3 роки тому +5

    50% single mother hood rates is still fucking enormous dude.

    • @jojojoejoe9977
      @jojojoejoe9977 3 роки тому +1

      @naitethagr8 I just love how you use the term "colorblind racists" unirroniccally.
      But, secondly, no conservative has ever postulated that all black fathers abandon their kids. They claim that it is, however, extremely widespread and damaging to the black community. Saying that 75% are single parent households or that 50% are single parent households sends the same message. Single parent households are a problem, and progressives like you are actively avoiding the problem.
      Also, this is trend you see among leftists all the time. If you get a stat wrong in regards to race, they automatically attribute racist intent. Like, if I said "black people make an average of 50% of what white people earn" but its actually only 60%, half of breadtube would acuse me of racism.

    • @jojojoejoe9977
      @jojojoejoe9977 3 роки тому +1

      @naitethagr8 "you claim that the rise in signle motherhood has hurt the black community today, yet they are better off today than 60 years ago."
      "You claim that income inequality has hurt the middle class, yet the middle class is doing better today than 60 years ago."
      Jesus christ, that is such a bad take. It's also really anti-intellectual. I have not heard a single leftist argue that the rise in single motherhood has not harmed the african american community in some way.
      Single motherhood is correlated with crime, poverty, unhappiness, drugs, an inability to graduate high school, unemployment, and even shorter life spans. This is seen throughout the races, and even throughout classes, as the children of wealthy single moms do far worse then the children of wealthy nuclear familes.
      Also, I like how you claim that we cling to single motherhood as a way to blame black people for all the worlds problems. You obviously haven't engaged in any conversation with anyone outside your bubble. I recommend "white liberals and black rednecks" to throughly understand the actual case of single motherhood conservatives make.
      But just as a teaser, the civil rights act was passed in the 1960s. It gave black familes equal access to education, jobs and opportunity. Yet, the divide between blacks and whites only increased after the civil act, even though the gap was shrinking for decades before. Gaps in regards to economic prosperity, gaps in regards to education, and yes, even gaps in regards to incarceration.
      The black middle class grew faster before the civil rights act then afterword.
      This has all been well documented in Sowell's book and in "the upswing" by robert d putman.
      vdare.net/posts/why-did-blacks-make-more-progress-before-civil-rights-than-after
      Why? Its obviously not because of racism. Its obviously not because of some genetic factor. Its Because along with the civil rights act, the 1960s saw a significant rise in single motherhood rates for black familes. This has caused the divides seen today. You would know that if you didnt spend all your time in your leftist bubble calling conservatives racist.

    • @gr33kfr3ak8
      @gr33kfr3ak8 3 роки тому

      @naitethagr8 that’s a very hard point to make because it’s based on a subjective saying. To say that someone is “in their lives” can mean a lot of things. If you see your dad everyday, twice a week, once a week, etc. Just because you see your dad every now and then, doesn’t mean you constantly have a father figure in your presence.

    • @TheAstuteGoy
      @TheAstuteGoy 3 роки тому +1

      @naitethagr8 So Obama & Sowell are lying???

    • @TheAstuteGoy
      @TheAstuteGoy 3 роки тому +1

      @@jojojoejoe9977 100% Facts. People just wanna put the carpet over all their issues nowadays

  • @UnkkRell
    @UnkkRell 2 роки тому +1

    haven’t watched you videos in years glad to see your success 💎📈

  • @pixotass
    @pixotass 3 роки тому +3

    So the absent father is a myth, but systemic descrimination in a country that has positive action is real.

  • @geraldgreen6794
    @geraldgreen6794 3 роки тому +2

    Before I even watched the video. Reading the title alone made me audibly yell "Thank you!"

  • @GraceSavidesKeller
    @GraceSavidesKeller 3 роки тому +18

    Thank you for this video. I was just thinking about this, and how it's weird that this is a myth among white, well-meaning liberals, and wondering how much truth it even held. Parenthood is complicated, and the idea that it needs to account for and pave over all other societal evils is ridiculous. Spreading this myth about black fathers is cruel and ignorant and is an easy out for people who don't want to get into the complexities of society.

    • @Rickety3263
      @Rickety3263 2 роки тому

      It only became a myth by redefining "absent father" .

  • @CleverNameTBD
    @CleverNameTBD 2 роки тому +1

    The idea of the traditional nuclear family is extremely exhausted. Having good, loving role models is important. My dad only showed up once after I already turned 18 and my mom died. So my grandparents raised me and my aunts and my friends. I'm still alive with a job, apartment and means of travel. The traditional family idea is used, primarily by conservatives, to harm the poor, minorities and the lgbtq communities. Love how rich people can make all the mistakes in the world, even illegal ones, and still get away with it while looking down their noses at others trying to get by

  • @Loriorealestate
    @Loriorealestate Рік тому +3

    it is not a myth, it is real and we must all care about our black families if this is ever going to change. The welfare system needs to fundamentally change allowing fathers to re-engage with families. I wish you would talk about fatherhood programs to reduce this crisis. You have not addressed the issue but instead plan to put your head under the covers.

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 Рік тому

      it is a myth. most of the welfare system goes to white people.

    • @user-dj7mp2xi6l
      @user-dj7mp2xi6l 11 місяців тому +1

      @@darkstalkerknight63 Wrong.

    • @darkstalkerknight63
      @darkstalkerknight63 11 місяців тому

      @@user-dj7mp2xi6l false. It shown that 80 to 90% of all welfare goes to white people.

  • @brianmagee6595
    @brianmagee6595 3 роки тому +1

    I'm also upset at how many people want to blame the Welfare State, War on Drugs, or even Automation. For why many Dad's aren't raising their kids. When the sad case is that many Dads choose not to raise their kids.

  • @connorlenihan9162
    @connorlenihan9162 3 роки тому +28

    The entire medical field (doctors, etc.) still think that race is genetic, even though that has been thoroughly disproven. Our medical system operates on that assumption too. I'm a medical student and I've made some videos talking about the issues with my education on my channel if you're interested in hearing my experience. I really point that out to support what you're saying about systemic racism (as well as bias against poor people) and how those ideas have been incorporated into many aspects of our society

    • @rich6754
      @rich6754 3 роки тому +1

      Race is genetic.

    • @connorlenihan9162
      @connorlenihan9162 3 роки тому +6

      @@rich6754 What makes you think race is genetic? And what does that mean for the vast majority of all people, who could very easily identify as more than one race, such as Barack Obama or Kamala Harris? Genetics gives us two types of information: individual and family specific data (which is a population much, much too small to be a race) or statistics on allele frequencies. Those allele frequencies vary based on geographic distance. That means there is much more genetic similarity between southern European nations and northern African nations than there are between northern African populations and southern African populations. The same exists for eastern Africa and the Arabian peninsula. I could go on, but I hope that makes sense.

    • @pancakes1427
      @pancakes1427 3 роки тому

      @@connorlenihan9162 don't different races have different genes?

    • @connorlenihan9162
      @connorlenihan9162 3 роки тому +4

      @@pancakes1427 No. Dorothy Roberts explains in her TED talk if you want to learn more. I also discuss that issue on my channel.

    • @reinhardt3090
      @reinhardt3090 2 роки тому

      @@connorlenihan9162 Why do we have different hair? different skin color? different bone structure? why does it come from our parents? If it isn't genetic then what is it?

  • @conbatengineer
    @conbatengineer Рік тому +1

    Shifting responsibility for your ourselves to AB or C is the main problem.

  • @greagandev
    @greagandev 3 роки тому +8

    In my corner of the world (close friends and family). White fathers that are absent 3. Black fathers that absent 0. You could even look at it from the other direction. Number of present and accountable white fathers, many. Number of present and accountable black fathers, many. That is a very small sample of data but it doesn't follow that specific stereotype.

    • @michaelahurt
      @michaelahurt 3 роки тому

      I think we also need to account for changes in attitude. There are definitely stereotypes, especially about black men, that were created out of thin air, but most of the time stereotypes are rooted in reality, or were at some point in time. But we don't live in a static environment. At least in my experience, black millenials and younger Gen X-ers especially are VERY aware of and sensitive to this stereotype and go out of their way to be good fathers. So this might have been true in the past -- there's actually a lot of evidence that welfare in the 60s and 70s DID incentivize single parent households (Thomas Sowell discusses this) which is where the welfare queen stereotype originates -- but that doesn't mean it's true NOW. We also tend to assign causation to the success of children from married families because it 'feels' right, especially to conservatives who tend to place much more value on the nuclear family anyway, but as T1J briefly touches on there may be a lot of correlation there without causation; the relative lack of 'succcess' of children from single parent homes may be symptomatic of other underlying issues and marital status is more of an quick indicator of those other issues.

  • @montgomerypowers7205
    @montgomerypowers7205 3 роки тому +1

    My sister wanted kids for many years and put it off until her mid 30s, waiting for a perfect time to have a child. Life happened and she never really got where she wanted to be but decided to have children anyway, as a single mother. She now has 5 beautiful kids and has never been happier. Life doesn't have to conform to the "American Ideal" for you to be happy.

  • @Eragon1962
    @Eragon1962 3 роки тому +4

    I don't think you know the definition of the word "myth".

    • @Eragon1962
      @Eragon1962 3 роки тому +2

      @naitethagr8 Take it up with the census. There's facts and then there's your desire to deny those facts.

  • @bigfatboris1
    @bigfatboris1 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent explainer as ever.
    I followed the link to the Brookings article that you cite to find out what the other controlled factors were - "parenting behavior, maternal education, race, and maternal age". It feels incredibly difficult to parse some of these out as separate confounding factors to just income, as they are mainly, if not all, entangled with economic status. Maternal age would imply younger parents are worse, but teen parents are more likely to be poor, which is also the case for maternal education and (probably) race [I assumed the correlation was that black adults earn less than white on average, which felt fairly safe given other known stats]. The only one that might not be correlated with this is parenting behaviour which was undefined. If you make the fairly safe assumption that it's around active and passive presence (reading, helping with homework, tutoring/coaching of skills, etc.), it feels hard not to see that as bound up with income too, as lower income earners generally are waged and have to work more to generate a reasonable income as well as the acknowledged psychological effect of not having enough money on decision making and other behaviours. It's pretty easy to see that someone earning 30k on 30 hours a week is far more likely to be a better parent than someone earning 30k on 60 hours a week.
    TL;DR it's probably even more of an economic thing than you state here

  • @olivia2671
    @olivia2671 3 роки тому +4

    Idk 72% blk one parent homes says something.

  • @carman101
    @carman101 3 роки тому +2

    Great video. Having kids out of wedlock is still major issue within our community though. Commitment to the family in general is. A committed marriage will always be the best way to bring children into the world.

    • @plutotech
      @plutotech 3 роки тому

      What if it ends in divorce? Then what? Half of all marriages fail.

  • @gregpresley1466
    @gregpresley1466 5 місяців тому +5

    Dude, I've never seen anybody take less accountability for the actions of their community than you!😂😂😂

  • @Atclav
    @Atclav 3 роки тому +2

    The number of criminals in prison from single mothers is staggering.

    • @Atclav
      @Atclav 3 роки тому

      @naitethagr8 More than people from a two parent homes? What point are you making?

    • @Atclav
      @Atclav 3 роки тому

      @naitethagr8 Single motherhood should not be celebrated as an accomplishment or something to strive for. Some single mothers are incredible however one parent homes should be avoided. The numbers don't lie.

  • @Kornknealious
    @Kornknealious 3 роки тому +5

    It's not a myth... you have either totally ignored, dismissed or never heard of Thomas Sowell.

  • @AleshaM30
    @AleshaM30 3 роки тому +1

    "being married can complicate financial matters" I felt that.

  • @Daniel-ih4zh
    @Daniel-ih4zh 3 роки тому +5

    Do you have *any* sources when you make "we often think" claims? If not, this video is entirely pointless and vacuous.

  • @hamobu
    @hamobu 3 роки тому +2

    And, of course, correlation is not causality. Poverty can create broken families instead of the other way around.

  • @clarkharrell2227
    @clarkharrell2227 3 роки тому +7

    Thank you for talking about this, I think these subtly pervasive stereotypes can be very dangerous if we don't shine a flashlight on them. Another one that comes to mind is that different ethnicities prefer to live amongst themselves, when in fact that was very much a deliberate outcome perpetrated by racism.

  • @thehomiethin4790
    @thehomiethin4790 3 роки тому +1

    Always happy to see you upload G

  • @gaillewis5472
    @gaillewis5472 3 роки тому +9

    Redlining hasn't gone anywhere. I can't find housing where I was raised, but as I graduated and left home, surprisingly, I could live exactly where I wanted, just not my home state.
    I have two college educated parents and still had door after door slammed in my face as white counterparts got great jobs with no special talents and found love with no social graces. Marginalization is stil in play. Never be fooled.

    • @bluman6793
      @bluman6793 3 роки тому

      Redlining hasn't gone anywhere?

  • @jamesclint2279
    @jamesclint2279 2 роки тому +1

    🤣🤣🤣🤣
    Pot calling kettle

  • @derAlphabet
    @derAlphabet 3 роки тому +7

    8:04 "... some magical spell that gets cast on the family as soon as you say, "I do."
    ...The catholic church would like to know your location! 🙈