Is making a STRONG EXTENDING SWORD possible?
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That's a really good idea! Wait, the rivets are embroidered? Not just a print? Incredible.
Reach out to Hacksmith. Maybe they would collab.
Do they come in other colours? I REFUSE to wear red!
Are the rivets metal, or just little patches?
Haha shad your modeling skills are beyond mystery
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As a Dishonored fan, i would love to see a folding sword that actually works.
That is the coolest sword in video game history.
Big fan of that sword as well, I could never see how it fully worked but based of how Corvo spun it around made me think of a hybrid of a bowie/butterfly knife mixed with extended blades
@@dovahjaron I think someone made a 3d printed working replica of the sword.
there is a folding blade based on dishonered made by Njord Artisan metal and everything
@@zmogod1823 I gotta see it. Where?
Watching him try to open a spring-loaded rod made me realize why we don't spring-load bladed tools normally
You think that is crazy, check out the Russian ballistic knife. Crazy thing will fire the blade, via a blank cartridge, in the same manner as a grenade launcher. But it's the size of a small dagger.
You don't know about the whole OTF (out the front) knife industry? Companies like Microtech have perfected such tools.
@@Dang_Near_Fed_Up ah yes the jetstream sam style knife
Gun knife
That's part of why bans on switchblades are ridiculous, whatever one thinks about rights.
One thing to keep in mind about extendable batons is that they're effectively one time use if they're actually used. Sure you can extend and retract them freely but if they're actually used to strike they often bend. Once bent they can be forced to retract again but then they don't freely extend. This is something police accept as "expendable". Your sword might have to take the same thing into consideration. If it's used in self defense it may effectively not be "reusable" but served its purpose.
I've never heard that before. Makes sense I guess. Better the baton than you
As far as I know it depends on the quality, what you hit and how much force you use, for example hitting the thighs still hurts enough to stop someone, but it will be soft enough to do no damage to your baton.
Some even come with a 2-year guarantee, which explicit state that what is not covered is: "gross damage caused by strikes against hard objects (e.g. stone, concrete, steel)" meaning that you can get a new one for free, if it is unusable after using it against a human/animal.
They are ones with a heavy spring with a weight for the tip. They don't bend as the spring absorbs the shock.
Idk, I have an extendable baton that’ll smash right through cinderblocks without bending.
I’ve been in law enforcement for five years and I’ve never heard anyone say that a baton is an expendable item. Sure, they break on occasion, but I’d be pretty pissed if they broke under common use. Everything breaks. Our squads and pistols break, but that doesn’t make them expendable items.
I’ve had an Asp Talon for most of my career and it has busted through many car windows and other hard objects with nothing but scratches.
But, for Shad and Tyranth; the Asp Talon is a perfect example of a telescopic design with a button lock that will keep it extended during a thrusting motion. Most batons are friction locks, and I’ve had other officers use my baton and try to close it by banging it on the concrete like they would a standard issue one. It has stood up to the abuse.
Is that an extendable sword, or am I just happy to see a new Shadiversity video?
Could be both
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Extending swords or edge weapons are also a scifi/cyberpunk stapple.
Mantis Blades, which fold into the forearm, are my favorite melee weapon from Cyberpunk 2077.
@@azuredragoon2054 in CP2020 mine go to weapons were the wolver blades ^^, and the ripclaws in Shadowrun but i was thinking for the mantis blades though
A true stapple
Reminds me of something from an avali lore document that their swords are like olfa cutters that generate new blades via sci-fi bullshit
@@diggyrobinson5859 Nergigante from Monster Hunter: "I grow my own!"
NjordArtisan has working 1st stage prototype of collapsible Dishonored sword. Also, JoergSprave shown off "pocket machete", which not truly collapsible, but still worth a look.
I was going to recommend the Njord Artisan video to them too. Definitely the closest prototype to what they want I can think of
But due to German laws he couldn't use the most simple and efficient locking mechanism for his sword.
Was coming to the comments looking or this, just to confirm I didn't have to mention it.
How do they manufacture the Chinese practice swords? Sheet metal?
@@adorp most likely to be so
The princess bride book is mint.
Ooooo and the storm light archive. Another good choice.
Jōrg Sprave over at the Slingshot Channel designed, had manufactured, and sold (possibly still sells?) a pocket machete.
Gerber makes a balisong/butterfly-style machete called the "doubledown"
@@TheHanshotfirst I removed the quad-lock from the doubledown for one handed opening, and it is awesome.
Nice, the instant Legolas guy also makes hand to hand defense weapons.
@@valrondlet him show you its features
He just started building a double knife - two identical knives and each sheaths in the handle of the other. His “German Engineering” version extends and looks physically impossible.
2:51 OMG that scared the shhhh out of me aswell
After seeing that, all I can think about is that I want a Denn'bok, the Minbari Fighting Pike
The classic Shadiversity 3d model video.
Hey shad!
Consider contacting Adam Savage, host of mythbusters, in his channel Tested. He is a precision machinist and i bet he will be able to not only create but also improve any design if he agrees to work on it.
I imagine money might be the issue there. Unless Adam just wants to help out from passion and not charge top dollar (naturally there'd still be some costs, and the fact that they're both popular youtubers would mean there's some content to be made from it) to our still-probably-suffering-from-the-algorithm Shadenites.
This is a great idea. It would probably help sell him on it if you pitch it as a proof of concept test to see if it'll even work properly as a durable blade and they could run Mythbusters style tests on it to see how it holds up compared to a standard blade against various things like a flesh analogue, types of armor, types of shields, etc. You could make a video creating the sword from Adam's side, and then have Shad do the Mythbusters style durability tests.
I assume Adam *could* build this, but this kind of metalwork isn't really his specialty. This design would either need to be welded up from machined halves or, possibly, cut on a wire EDM. Who knows, worst case if he has any interest at all would be he recommends some good machinist contacts. The problem I see is the cost to setup for machining one of these and finding out it fails quickly. You could also get it printed in steel for prototyping 'sake, though obviously the strength would hardly be a 1:1 with solid metal.
@kio you have a valid point but we won't ever know if we don't ask. :)
I doubt it, as soon as Adam gets any inkling of Shads convictions. Adam is a pretty big shitlib from what i got.
That Gambeson hoodie would look good over a chainmail hoodie.
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Consider the following;
Take how Umbrellas function with their retractable pole, you can have interlocking latches that you have to push into the blade to retract the blade, and you just use a kind of spring mechanic inside the blade itself that locks everything in place. So you'll have to choose where these interlocking latches are on the blade and make room for it on the blade. The thickness of the steel and spring should make it a pretty solid modern sword for a retractable telescopic design.
"(Regarding telescopic designs) They use the Force to keep them extended."
This must be why he was specifically thinking of lightsabers.
A lightsaber beam constantly generates its own force the same way that a jet of water generates a force.
@@beskamir5977 did you miss the joke? JEDI? THE FORCE??????? MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU?
@@SoloGamingZA nope, I didn't miss anything. I saw the joke and disregarded it cause it was so incorrect to how a lightsaber is shown to function. At most the crystal uses the Force in some way to stabilise the beam. Else Han couldn't have used Anakin's lightsaber in ep5.
So a thought to consider is to not solely retract into the handle.
You could have a very small sheath so your blades could be a little longer than your handle. It would potentially reduce the segment number, which would make it stronger.
Sword of Omens style in other words
The "sword" version of the "bottomless magazine" trope for guns. Instead of a handgun that seemingly never needs to reload and fires several dozens of shots from a single clip; this would be a full-sized sword that can be drawn from what seems like a dagger sheath. It's practically a cartoon trope, where a character has a tiny sheath on their hip, goes to draw the weapon, and just keep pulling out *more sword.* Honestly, I think that would be more intimidating than anything: drawing a 4-foot sword from a 6-inch sheath.
The concept artist Artigas created multiple illustrations of Tolkien Dwarves.
One of those invents a Dwarven Folding Spear designed for transport and combat in low-clearance tunnels that is basically a giant balisong knife.
Yes! I was thinking of giant balisong/butterfly knives, too. Like the one in Battle Angel Alita.
I'm so glad to see another shadiversity video, you guys brighten up my day every time.
My favorite version of the "collapsible sword" is a plate-pinch design. This contains two plates that are angled and hollow as well as solid hardened tip that can fit inside. How this works is the hollow plates are being held by tension via the handle they can hide into and the tip is shaped so the base of it has a shaped knob that gets stuck inside the two hollows. This sword is gravity/momentum extension style and because of the the tension in the handle it actually holds well.
This is a subject I love. Collapsing and expanding weapons are one of my favorite things and I like having them in the stories I write. The big one is in my fantasy medieval story where the Royal Families and their Royal Family Knights have these weapons called Expand Weapons (Not completely attached to the name) They are easy because it’s magic. The casing of the weapons hold a pocket dimension inside that holds all the blades, cross guards, handles or shafts. So when they’re fully expanded they’re even stronger than regular weapons, because magic.
I'm a big fan of transforming swords that open up and or emit energy like the ones in Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
Sounds like you recreated the Sword of Omens, sort of.
@@Dang_Near_Fed_Up … sure
Put a solid knife on the end of a sturdy extending pole/stick that gets to sword-length. This forms a mini-spear that might even have some cutting potential.
You're obsessed with "sword" because that's awesome, but "mini-spear" might actually be practical.
I agree. There’s a reason swords have stayed in one typical form despite many style variations. They work well for their use and too varied of designs don’t do the sword job as well.
This design I think there would be too many areas for stress to multiply and break the whole thing.
Njord Artisan might be a good partner to work with for this project. Hes made trick and collapsible weapons with success in the past.
Hey Shad, crazy idea from an American, and I know "make it explode/combust" is an accurate depiction of our mentality with weapons, but...
Imagine an extendable sword that doesn't go back in afterward and maintains perfect rigidity by igniting some small chemical pockets that are designed to automatically tac-weld it together the moment it finishes extending. The blade would weld itself to the handle, and the blade segments together, and where you hold the blade would be made of heat resistant silicates akin to those used to make oven mitts. This kind of extendable sword would be a worst case scenario weapon for someone defending a structure with tight corridors such as a bunker, spaceship, or cave network rather than a weapon you'd regularly want to carry around. Very sci-fi rather than fantasy.
Anyway, I'd love to hear what you guys think at Shadiversity about the idea!
There is a telescoping rapier at the arms museum in Leeds, fascinating piece.
And Tyrenth ... push-ups.
Shad. Engineer here. I highly recommend you look into the Gerber Doubledown or the Atropos balisword demon. The balisong style folding lock is very very strong (at large scale you can even do intermeshing gears or have a significant tang section held by the handles. It falls into the category of blades that would be as long as the handles (or longer with an extension like Joerg Spraves folding machetes if you want to save weight and add length) but it doesn't suffer any of the thrusting collapsing issues that telescopic designs or an OTF can have. I have it on very good authority that a lot of locking designs were tested for this sort of mid-range larger-than-a-knife but machete/large-bladed camp tool (or wakizashi-esque profile in the case of the demon) size blade and the balisong lockup won. You can also have a significantly thicker blade than your handles might suggest once held which is a downside of the telescopic design where the handle must be and remain larger than all the segments once deployed. This is present in the double down because folded it's only slightly wider than the blade but unfolded what were cutouts revealing the blade become a grip profile that can essentially be as small as you want. Just avoid making it way too high of an aspect ratio and from soft materials like Filipino baliswords which are much more prone to breaking. It also is significantly more practical to manufacture. It's still difficult but you don't have all the insane internal geometry of the telescopic system it's just a couple channels cut and a relatively standard blade.
Good idea.
Usually people make folding mechanisms for these things that rely on a single sturdy articulation point and a comparatively flimsy catch/latch (I say "usually", but I think I've only ever seen Njord Artisan actually attempting a folding sword). The balisong gets its stability from the fact that it uses 2 equally strong articulation points (at a considerable distance) to hold the blade piece. (While the direction perpendicular to the blade is constrained by the design of the hinge points themselves.)
It would even be possible to improve on that principle by offsetting the 2 articulation points on the blade (putting one further forward than the other). That would give you even greater stiffness against bending in one of the directions. (Put the blade of the sword on the side with the further forwards articulation point.)
And the two handle piece surfaces that meet when the blade is unfolded should be machined/structured in a way that they mesh together, in order to avoid them sliding against each other.
I think it should even be possible to make a 3-section balisong sword by using that "intermeshing surfaces" technique on both of the meeting surfaces - and you'd need some way to keep the pieces at the rear articulation area together. Obviously the articulation "area" where the singular front section meets the two middle sections will get in the way of it fully working like a sword, so it might be better to think about it as a spear/glaive with an added sharp section on the front part of the haft.
But a 3-section balisong seems like it would have the added advantages of unfolding even easier than a 2-sectioned one, since you don't have to turn the handle pieces inside out; and the advantage of it being easier to get the handle section to align in both the folded and unfolded arrangements when you significantly offset the hinge points forwards/backwards.
Also, in case anyone else wants to marvel at Joerg's creation: ua-cam.com/video/JtGVtgS0PYA/v-deo.html
Very excited to see the carbon fiber sword next week no matter if it's practical or not, love ya Shad, you're a really big UA-cam inspiration for me and I wish Shadiversity the best!
Im imagining trying to build this as a preindustrially trained blacksmith and it is brain breaking.
Allot of jigs & making a good press... the spine would need to be thicker to take rivets & so the segments would be considerably smaller per segment.
or at least thats my take after about 30 seconds of thinking on it as a hobbyist who has gone through some blacksmithing schooling.
''Titans of CNC'' could probably do this using EDM.
I would love to see a video soon explaining the different types of steel and how they are made.
I LOVE how excited you are about all this stuff!!
I would be too, if I had a budget to actually attempt to build some of these things.
i think if i was going to design an extendable sword, my first thought would be to have a shorter blade with an above average length handle, such that about half the blade would be able to retract into the handle, and then have a sheath that goes over the rest of the blade and clips onto the handle to keep it in place. you'd still be able to get good reach with the length of the handle but it would also be able to shrink by maybe a quarter of it's total length. depending on the size of sword you want that could pretty easily be concealed under the flap of a jacket.
I think if you did an otf blade that folds in half you could theoretically have a secondary otf mechanism for a pin of some kind (preferably rectangular for better durability) to create rigidity. The primary difficulty of this design would likely be incorporating the second otf mechanism. I've always wanted to make something like this as a proof of concept I just don't have the tools to do it yet.
So cool hoodies, gonna request other colors. May not be historically accurate, but a nice purple would be awsome!
A royal purple would be killer
agreed@@wrongeden3420
The TFT player in me demands that there be an equal, but opposite blue one. XD
This feels like a project Stuff Made Here would take on
Indeed. It's a shame the US East is so far from Australia. I imagine it would be most viable for someone more local to them.
(That said, I love his work, the baseball bats, nutcrackers, painting robot, and all that are amazing)
You can have low profile spring loaded buttons that pop out to prevent the extendable blade from going back in. Two on both sides in each segment. It will also give it extra structure. And for you to sheath it again, you have to press the buttons back in.
Special Chief could be designed to press those buttons to collapse it as you store it
I really want Shad to win the lottery so we can get this, the Titan Sword, All Star, Etc, All The Amazing Stuff in his wonderful brain!
Maybe a telescopic falchion with a teardrop cross-section? It would have better stiffness than a diamond cross section.
always love the 30 minute to an hour format. it feels much more immersive
The shorts are for TikTokkers with brain rot, as far as I am concerned.
For all the various opinions about it, the Ultraviolet movie does this really well. Both Violet and the main bad guy have swords that can extend from a basic hilt. It works through the tech that I like to call "flat-space" storage. The difference between those swords and Shads design is the Ultraviolet versions are one solid blade. The extension mechanism itself that's stored inside the hilt also acts as the bracing and support to keep the blade in-line and prevent it from buckling at the point where blade meets hilt. Probably through having a MUCH longer blade and only extending around two-thirds or even just half of it outwards. The back-end of the blade would probably have something like a geared mechanism to extend, retract, and lock the blade in place, which would be far more structurally secure than just having a collapsing baton-style blade.
Of course, now that I think about it, the other possibility is that they all just carry regular solid swords and just keep them inside flat-space storage until pulling them out for fighting, hammerspace-style. Personally, I prefer the first method. :D
Violet is actually able to carry a HUGE amount of weapons in these little bracelets she wears on her wrists. It actually becomes something of a plot point when she walks into a security checkpoint and the scan reveals a virtual ARSENAL of weapons while the security guys just stare at her with jaws dropped.
"Searching for concealed weapons...(alarm goes off)...number of weapons found...many." =^x^=
The novel the wrecker by Clive Cussler had a excellent concept. The villain used a roughly one meter rapier as ambush/assassination tool. With a fast step running someone though from two meters away was devastating. Would be worth asking Titan's of CNC channel if they would be interested. EDM is the required process with CNC grinding to finish.
Glad to see another Cussler fan. The Wreckers teliscopic sword was the first thing I thought of seeing the video title!!!
A one meter rapier is normal sized.
You wouldn't need any fancy CNC or edm equipment to make one.
@@DH-xw6jp Definitely fancy equipment to build a full size rapier that collapses down to seven inches.
@@alt5494 no where in you comment did you mention the rapier being collapsible, although I hindsight I probably should have inferred that given the video's subject. My bad.
Great video as always! I'm no enginner, just a random thought about keeping a foldable blade with structure: What about a wire with tension? Held with a electric motor or something... Not possible in medieval times, but with today's tech?
Probably want a monomolecular wire, though that is a bit difficult to source.
I've seen some cool wire EDM precision cutting thing that cuts holes and corresponding inserts from solid blocks of steel with so much precision, that when an insert is placed inside the hole all the way flush, you can not see the gap between the parts, nor even feel it with your fingers.
I think that might be the only way to make those hollow blade segments out of a solid steel. you could try folding the steel into the box shape but the precision would suffer
I think this is awesome! And it could definitely work! :) I feel like Tyanth has a difficult time giving Shad the credit he deserves sometimes. Looking forward to seeing more on this!
2 videos in a row that are in my thread w/in 10 min of release. That’s awesome, something has changed in the algorithm
I was thinking the same thing!
Likewise. It used to be I MIGHT get recommended like every third or fourth video.
If something did happen in the algorithm I'm glad it did, because I can now listen to shad talk about extending his hard sword.
Apparently five people were the first people to comment on this video. Shad's content is so amazing it lets people break the laws of nature!
I love how Shad just starts to go off (because he's so exited and passionate), and then Tyrant keeps things together and moving 😂
Love seeing the creativity, keep it up!
Been missing these office conversations videos from the channel. Really enjoyed this banter, Shad & Tyranth. Keep up the passion and doing what you love, we’ll be here watching!
I just noticed that you have the same horse riding knights as I did when I was a kid! the red one and the yellow and blue one. Oh instant nostalgia!
totally ordered a hoodie straight away! awesome stuff!
A few examples I can think of, U.S. pilots in WWII were occasionally issued a folding machete, and the Italians did something similar with a folding bayonet. Both of these had the blade extend from the handle when folded, it was just a slightly shorter package. Also currently for sale in the U.S. is a butterfly knife style folding machete offer by a company named Gerber Gear (not to be confused with the baby food company). All of these are limited in how compact they can be by the length of the blade of course, but they are the best real world examples I have seen.
I've been pondering this extending sword question since childhood, same as the rest of you. I'm so glad yall made this video. Love the designs and serious discussions. Some day guys, there will be a design that works. Hope I live long enough to see it
"It is weird for someone to wear a sword."
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COMING FROM THE MAIN HOST OF A SWORD AND MEDIEVAL CHANNEL!?
He does say "is weird" not "was weird". In context of the present time, yes it is weird for someone to wear a sword. The only time an average person probably wouldn't be surprised to see that is either a cosplay, actor, enthusiast, or similar situation. And that's assuming that it was obvious that such a role was in action. (In contrast, it generally isn't very weird for someone to wear a gun in the modern day.)
If I understand correctly, swords in general are not illegal to bear but are subject to the same laws as any other tool that is explicitly a weapon. However, there may be an amplified implication of threat imposed by carrying a sword due to how the injuries caused by a sword are quite large and more visible compared to that of a gun and thus feel more scary than a gun. Although a gun will almost certainly be more lethal in any given encounter due to considerably greater range than a melee weapon and being equally deadly at close and longer ranges (being close enough to interfere with aiming doesn't make the gun less deadly, it just may reduce/increase the chance of you being hit by the bullets) with enough power to reliably one-shot-kill anyone or just spray multiple shots per second and kill via sheer amount of damage to the body (depending on model), guns have sadly become normalized in the public consciousness whereas swords may be viewed as an active threat of brutal harm: "Of course you carry an unobtrusive gun that I likely won't notice, it is 'only' for self-defense" vs "Why would you wear a (comparatively) bulky/awkward sword if you don't intend to attack someone in the first place?" May be a contrast of perception of threat due to visibility and pseudo-lethalness, I guess?
Maybe like, you hold a gun and think, "oh, this is a gun but it isn't dangerous if I don't pull the trigger" vs holding an unsheathed sword and think "yikes, this sword is likely sharp and dangerous to everything, with just an accidental swing I could severely harm or kill someone!". Or something like that?
I dunno, I'm no expert, it's just my observations.
Anyways, none of that is to say that swords aren't quite deadly as well, only that in the end it "is weird for someone to wear a sword" in the modern day.
@@JarieSuicune
I carry pistols daily so yes I know the laws with carrying.
I would permit swords any day if my country was firearm restricted.
Just as long as they look good.
Wearing a sword in public would probably get you arrested pretty quickly in a lot of countries as well.
I enjoy all of Shadiversity videos
It's good to see your videos pop up on the front line of the feed again ❤
From using a telescoping pole for cleaning and similar tasks, leave more than you think inside each joint. If you extend the sections fully, there is 100% torque on the joints, more angle develops, and it's easy to break them. If you leave about 6" within the previous section the forces are more side to side within the joint, the extra length left inside the previous section stops it from being able to develop such a high torque right at the joint and break the joint.
16 foot telescoping paint pole etc at Lowe's in the USA for reference for the type of pole. But most any telescoping pole or antenna works similarly, if you leave a reasonable bit back within the previous section it is much stronger than fully extended.
You could use a steel wire running along the length of the blade to keep its telescopic or hinged sections under tension, the tension should activate a mechanism to lock the telescopic sections into place or keep the hinges fully extended. You'd put a simple lever mechanism on the hilt to put a lot of tension on the wire (imagine something like a lockable bicycle brake handle on the hilt that could potentially double as a hand guard).
Sounds good in theory, but how much tension (=force) are we talking about here? Given enough force, wouldn't that essentially be a spring loaded grenade if anything breaks?
@@tabull8180 The amount of force depends on the locking mechanism. Assuming it's a telescopic blade the mechanism would be something on the inside that either extends a force outward to friction-lock two telescopic sections together, extends small locking bolts through two sections to lock them, or both. You'd spring load the mechanism so it unlocks automatically if it isn't under tension. I'd imagine a few hundred Newtons of force on the wire would be (more than) enough, and if the system fails it would implode and retract the blade rather than explode.
@@JerehmiaBoaz Thanks for clarification. Thinking about more, the breaking part issue is something that any desing have to be very aware. Essentially I was already thinking about the worst scenarion, but the whole point of this video is rather how make something that could actually be good and robust enough to work. You don't build something expecting it to fail. Overall
your idea isn't too bad at all.
I REALLY appreciate the work that went into making this hoodie, so many creators I follow just end up slapping a logo or phrase onto stuff with a cheap print. the fact that it has actual stitching and looks like it wont wear to nothing/fall apart in a few months makes it worth the money. Just picked one up for myself! Im super glad its on a zippered hoodie as well, cause pullovers are meh. most creators only offer that style cause they just have a logo, so its great this is a design that is iconic yet still comfortable. nothing worse than sweating to death in a pullover you cant really take off at the moment.
I love merch that is enough that someone who knows knows. heres hoping it lives up to my expectations, but if so, this is some S tier merch.
If i had enough money i'd grab three brigandine hoodies: one as a gift to one of my brothers, another one to keep the way it is and the third one to experiment and see if i can transform into an actual brigandine
They look Awesome!! Great video!
Hmm, Forge flat, then fold then pieces over to keep them hollow? would be hard to get the internal structure consistent (or hard to machine the inside of theses. Maybe machine out the core or each section, then weld the spine back in after?
Use a mandrel to keep the internal form
Very hard to machine with precision. I wonder if you could press it though... As it's such thin section.
Problem being the joining of the two parts without welding etc. maybe with a dummy internal former...
Looking forward to the pocket falchion.
When I thought of this, I also did it in the context of lightsabers, and I ended up with a few ideas.
One was to lock the extensions in place with some kind of internal spring system to prevent them from being pushed back in. Then pulling the springs inward with some kind of string running up the length of the blade would allow the blade to be pulled back into the hilt.
The other option was an active support solution using electromagnets, though I suppose normal magnets or inflating a tube with a liquid or even a gas could also work. If it's an electromagnet setup then you'd need to provide energy to keep the blade from falling back together.
For the more passive case you'd need to have a container to store the gas/liquid at a higher pressure, then use that to inflate your sword to lock it into place, and then eventually move that substance back to wherever you kept it (or to just vent it out) to allow for the blade to collapse. While regular magnets would be about the same as relying purely on friction. They'd just be another barrier to prevent the blade from easily collapsing, but that'd also make pulling everything back together extremely difficult.
Another active support option would be to constantly blast something at the top of the blade from the hilt. This would be sort of like using a gas or liquid at high pressure, but it'd be a constant cycle and thus the pressure would be more strongly focused at the very tip of the blade keeping everything from falling in during a stab. The obvious option for this would be to use water in a very similar way to how a pressure washer can be used to push something away. The more advanced version of this would be a particle accelerator within the handle and a decelerator along the length of the blade before it'd give the particles just enough energy to fall back toward the hilt to then repeat the cycle. We don't really have the tech for the more advanced option, but an active support based on pressurized water should work.
Ultimately, I think the problem here is making something that's collapsible, but still capable of retaining it's expanded shape for the entire duration of the fight. We could try to solve that with purely compressive strength of the material as your design assumes... or we could try to solve it with tensile strength of the material by using something else to ensure the material remains maximally stretch out during the entire fight. I suspect it'll be easiest to go with the tensile approach.
Some things I'd like to point out that I think would be significant challenges to shad's telescoping sword design
1. Like tyrinth said, i think the material thickness is too thin. high likelihood the metal would crack/break at those thin joints and corners.
2. manufacturing, I have no idea how you'd make a hollow sleave like that out of steel suitable for an edged weapon.
3. tolerances, you would need enough gap between the segments to keep it from binding up. if you had 2 of those segments in person it would be hard to get it to extend without locking up. OIling is also a consideration to keep internals from rusting and allowing it to move freely enough
4. edge damage. Sharpening this would potentially cause it to fit together worse over time, and also you're going to have your edge essentially riding on hardened steel every time it opens and closes so it's going to get dull very fast
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Having carried an ASP (extendable baton) for my years moonlighting as a security officer, I can confirm they hold tight when you extend them with commitment. So well, in fact, that you can actually jab at someone's chest (specifically top of the ribs and the clavicle area) with it and it won't loosen. With a blade, you would be aiming for a soft area if you're forced to use it to defend yourself or another.
To collapse them, I actually had to hold it in a reserve grip and hit it into the ground with a "hammer fist" type motion.
A baton, however, is much thicker than a sword. I don't see that design working for a sword with any length to speak of. Maybe a blade twice as long as the handle? The more layers you add, the worse it will operate in the end.
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(Loved that episode)
Why don’t you try reaching out to the hacksmith and see if they can make it for you?
Yeah!
That seems within their wheelhouse.
I as an engineer see 2 possible ways to make this. A electric discharge mashine would be the cheapest technik, but it would take quite a lot of time and the low thickness could cause problems. But I would test it. The second technik would be a 3D printing System...but this is quite expensive.
I'm pretty sure it can be done with EDM, the smallest cavity that fit final segment is 1mm well with what can be done.
Currently 3D printing makes to rough surface for this application.
there are some 3d printers that can print metal
Traditional Japanese sword masters made these things by hand. They took the void, put the steel along the void and hammered until they had the segment.
Good job on the design. I think it could perform in between each of your estimates as a light weight weapon. Difficult to make, yes, perhaps a lost wax casting would work. Precision is a must and polishing even the inner surface would be necessary. You could make the tip piece and perhaps the handle and the first section but the second and third would be quite a challenge. 3D printing might one day be an option but it would still need to be polished on the inside. Good luck.
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This is. Really neat concept! Perhaps it would be even more possible if the amount of segments were reduced?
I'm thinking something like a 2 and a half handed or 3 handed sword (think the LOTR elven swords). That would mean each segment could have significant length while the handle alone is still very manageable in size (just bordering the limit of manageable)
With that you could get a similar length with only 2 blade segments, and maybe having the hollow parts be thicker?
Perhaps the strong of the blade would even be able to be supported in the middle with some pins or beams, while the top would have a central cutout, but would still be a solid piece.
The other nice part is that if you wanted your folding cross guard. You could still grab the grip of the sword without impeding the deployment because of the length.
This would probably be a more scimitar/Messer design given the inspiration and possibly would allow for the segmented blade to be balanced by having a more effective taper than a double edge. Possibly would even add strength
the real issue with a telescoping sword would be keeping it sharp, just the pieces lightly rubbing together in your pocket would dull the blade pretty fast, taking it out would likely destroy at least a quarter of the edge even with very hard steel, each section would need some sort of track or rail to travel on that ensures each section doesn't rub against each other and that could ruin overall blade strength
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this would be something that the Hacksmith workshop might be able to create
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I've wondered about the plausibility for an extending sword for a couple decades, but I always just assumed it was more fantasy.
wire edm may be a method to manufacture the blade sections. it can cut deep and accurately in metal. as proof of concept you could cheaply 3d print one to check tolerances and basic mechanical function.
3:03 owning one of these makes his reaction to it expanding 3x as hilarious because not only are they both flexable and durable but they are fully capable of nailing someone in the crouch. how i haven't been on the receiving end both times i watched it happen is nothing short of a blessing...
I think the issue with the idea of a collapsible sword for self defense is "why?" On a fleshy target, as you were talking about, a pocket-knife will easily be more than enough, and the engineering tolerances of a pocket knife are much lower, and as such, the costs will be lower.
The complexity of engineering a collapsible sword likely has this costing more than a gun. You've now ended up in the ballpark of "Well, if it's going to cost more than a gun, why wouldn't I use a gun?" and the answer is that a gun is better, period. This is also why, technologically, we don't spend time as a society improving the sword, because the niche for swords is a tiny niche, a collectors market, and collectors are more likely to want pieces with art, or historical, value, not "modern advancement" value. While I think it's cool conceptually, there is absolutely no market to sell this too outside of the hyper niche "modern sword nerd."
Now on the actual design you showed. I think the interior structure of the pieces is too complex. Creating precise hollow shapes like that is not trivial. If you could design it to be an entirely simple interior, either totally rectangular or circular, it would greatly increase the viability of manufacturing.
You should also accept that something like this would be 100% consumable. Once this is actually used to attack something, it's going to bend, and it will not be fixable by a normal user. Just accept this as a reality to cut costs further. A self defense tool does not need to be reusable. Once you've defended yourself, you're alive and safe, you can simply buy another. If you need to defend yourself every day against multiple attacks and require a self defense tool capable of being used many times throughout a week, you should just invest in a gun, because if you live somewhere where you can be attacked 2+ times a week, you probably should own one.
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I would also add ridges or rails inside each segment, upon which the smaller pieces can mount on. This would also add rigidity and structural support. The precision machining is already available. I work with precision machines that make components for the Indycar and I've made parts for an airplane, so I see the possibility of precision engineering. The only issue would be the mechanism that would extend, retain and retract the blade. That would require a lot of thinking
~7:00 Maybe you could mount a sword sheath inside a car? Or a socket to hold a sheathed sword. To make it easier to access when exiting.
You'd still have to reequip it.
Some examples EDC swords
- Folding (see michaelcthulhu - lockblade, Multisegmented versions: NjordArtisan - Corvo's sword, Folding sword - Brian Chan ) Historical - Belgian and French folding swords.
-- Balisongs (Balisword dragonimpact1)
- Direct
-- Telescopic - Corvo's sword prop
-- GIANT Microtech Marfione Custom Nemesis
- Bending (Belt sword, RazorSword - Curtis Koehler)
A thought on manufacturering (am an engineer that works in manufacturing). Could have the hollow sections be cut and machined while "opened", then heated and folded and welded together.
Would absolutely require tight tolerances and thus higher cost, but I think it could be done! And would require "only" a high precision end mill since you don't have to try to hollow out steel ingots.
I feel like the best way to get something like this built, is to pray for a metal 3d printing company to sponsor the channel.
With an extending design could use the pop out buttons similar to the ones on the legs of folding tents
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I love this. Very cool design that I'd really be ecstatic to see made, even if it seems likely not to hold up under hitting a solid object...that's ok though.
I remember having a knife where the blade stuck out of the handle like a fixed-blade knife, but it also unfolded like a folding knife.
What about something with flush pieces of the blade segmented with one or two thin metal cords in the core, so that it is normally spiraled up for more compact carrying but when the cord is pulled taut it forces the pieces into a straight solid blade? The cord(s) could be controlled via a motorized spindle in the handle so that it stays taut while in use? Perhaps the wires are soldered into the blade of the tip piece after assembly but the rest of the blade segments are loose, strung onto the wires. The cross section of the blade pieces could be slightly concave at the bottom and tapered at the top so they slot into each other the right way. 2 wires i think would help with this and they'd need to be thin so having two with their own grooves would make it stronger. The blade would be thicker and shorter than an ideal sword for sure but I think this could be worked with, and the edge would still be a straight edge unlike the baton style
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Would need a custom sheathe as well to avoid it tangling or user injury from loose pieces
I just want to say two things from pop culture come to mind for this feature:
1) X-Men Gambit's extendable bo staff. IIRC, the staff portion somehow extend outward to form a solid one piece. Mind you, it might just be just due to ease of drawing/animating
2) Seijuu Sentai Gingaman/Power Rangers Lost Galaxy featured extendable swords as their weapons for the Team
As an aside, I'd seen extendable 3D printed plastic swords on Etsy that I kind of want to get for cosplay due to the ease of packing for travel