Tui Tonga Empire

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  • @thewhat249
    @thewhat249 2 роки тому +49

    Ancient Tongans and Samoans we're one people, you young people talk too much

    • @thewhat249
      @thewhat249 2 роки тому +1

      @@originalclaymoreboy728 oh gummon man

    • @thewhat249
      @thewhat249 2 роки тому +2

      @@originalclaymoreboy728 how do you know that?🤷‍♂️ 😋

    • @thewhat249
      @thewhat249 2 роки тому +9

      @@originalclaymoreboy728old Tongan language is basically Samoan. It's not hard research, The Tongan royal family (kanokupolu line)are proud of their heritage
      and are related to the Malietoa line.
      The two islands go back further than that,
      Just research the Tongan myth about how Tonga was created.

    • @thewhat249
      @thewhat249 2 роки тому

      @@originalclaymoreboy728 ua-cam.com/video/TEc6KX169Aw/v-deo.html

    • @thewhat249
      @thewhat249 2 роки тому +2

      @@originalclaymoreboy728 pls explain your stance on how they're not the same

  • @jmjm1920
    @jmjm1920 Рік тому +6

    Manuka originally from Fisi Namuka which is Nomuka in Ha'apai and Manuka in Tongatapu brought to Ha'amoa Hahake by Ha'a Maui Tonga Fusifonua and Tavatava o Manuka Title so When was Satiailemoa the first Tuimanuka with 40 Chiefs Titles started and 54 Supreme TuiTonga Titles Timeline 🤔

  • @matthewlio6995
    @matthewlio6995 2 місяці тому +1

    The Kings of Samoa Tui Manua,was the ancient and highest ranked before Tui Tonga and the Tui kanokupolu the first Samoan kings of Tonga,in Samoa the Tui Manua the Malietoa and the Tui Atua are the the Samoan kings

  • @kakalutangitangi9869
    @kakalutangitangi9869 Рік тому +2

    Samoa was never ruled by one person. Salamasina was the closest. She ruled 4 of the five major clans in Samoa. So how would the Tuimanua ever controlled the Pacific?

    • @ltmg9832
      @ltmg9832 4 місяці тому +1

      Wow! You guys refuse to just give it up hey!

  • @moekontze116
    @moekontze116 3 роки тому +11

    It obvious from this exchange that clearly stated one is ignorant of the truth. It is no use trying to explain things to someone who is anti. Maybe best for old people who knew the ancestry history to face her and she can argue with them, because she seemed to know more than anyone else in the Pacific the Ancient history of the two islands. I would love her come face to face with old Tongans and Samoans who know more than us fiapoko young people of today.

    • @moanamakoni7920
      @moanamakoni7920 3 роки тому

      Fr bro😂😂

    • @R19sianaa
      @R19sianaa 2 роки тому +1

      @Stop the leg pulling Uso aikae and shut the hell up

    • @R19sianaa
      @R19sianaa 2 роки тому

      @Stop the leg pulling Sir you want me to get hit by a belt just because I told everyone in the district to aikae?

  • @asipautameifuna21
    @asipautameifuna21 2 місяці тому +1

    I think what Tongan and Samoan needs wright now is the name of JESUS 🙏 not the names of Tui or Tangaloa or whatever why wasting your time argued of things that will all soon perishable..pls stop the nonsense go do something useful..clean your backyard or talk about the name of JESUS that will help and every Tongan and Samoan said Amen 🙏♥️

  • @theanomaly_
    @theanomaly_ 8 місяців тому +6

    Samoans and their fairytales. "maybe if i keep writing it on UA-cam, it might come true" 🤞🤣 tongans have ruled samoa for hundreds of years but samoa has NEVER ruled tonga. In fact, you guys have been colonised more than once. Facts. Your great Malietoa title comes from us. Kefe

  • @semilangi5432
    @semilangi5432 3 роки тому +23

    This fake news😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    There were no rulers or Empire before Tuitonga 😂😂😂😂😂
    The only rulers before Tuitonga were the god clan Tangaloa Rulers 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Just do the math....they say Society islands was colonized by Samoa in 1025AD 😂😂😂😂 that's the era of ruling Tangaloa 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    Around the time before Tuitonga much of Polynesia wasn't settled 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @semilangi5432
      @semilangi5432 3 роки тому +7

      @Tulouna Le Lagi 😂😂😂😂
      Do you really believe that Pulotu existed 40 generations from 1909?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      TuiManua Elisara passed in 1909
      You know very well Pulotu became the place we can only return to after we die😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      Your sources failed to notice particular details in oral traditions that discredit and debunk TuiManua Empire 😂😂😂
      Tavatava ki Manuka maui clan paddling via canoe to Manu'a to procure the fishing hook🤔🤔🤔
      Manu'a is referred to as Maama(Earth)
      Lu fleeing Tagaloa Lagi to Maama(earth) he finds islands naming it Samoa honoring his uncle Moa😂😂😂😂 Samoa is Maama (Earth) not Langi 😂😂😂
      Manu'a has no mounds elevated to the Langi where Tangaloa resided 😂😂😂😂 Fitiuta settlement was dated earliest 1000AD
      Ahoeitu's story ...he doesnt jump in a canoe to go find his father in supposedly Manu'a Samoa 😂😂😂😂😂 the story has it that he climbs a toa tree....and stories preserved in Heliaki( metaphoric, symbolic poetry) the means Langi home of Tangaloa is accessed in Tonga...it means that Langi of Tangaloa is rooted in Tonga😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      You should copy my comment and forward it to your sources😂😂😂
      TuiManua TaeoTagaloa Folasa 😂😂😂😂😂 you know how that translate in tongan😂😂😂😂😂😂
      Folaha is where Tangaloa Eitumatupu'a lived ....😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @semilangi5432
      @semilangi5432 3 роки тому +13

      @Tulouna Le Lagi uce your fairytale of Tuipulotu Empire and TuiManua Empire 😂😂😂😂 than when did the Tangaloa rulers rule Polynesia 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      Your TuiManua Empire doesn't align with the migration to eastern Polynesia 😂😂😂😂 1025AD to 1200AD....that's the period of the peak of Tuitonga empire..... so the islands of which supposedly collected umiti from didn't even exist😂😂😂 stretched and felt throughout an imaginary empire 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
      Nothing in Manu'a's landscape says it was an empire😂😂😂😂

    • @boxcuber
      @boxcuber 3 роки тому +5

      @Anna Tagi he’s said to me on another video the royal tombs built in Tonga were built long after aho eitu 😂😂 that was he argument againts that

    • @horsekfobster7823
      @horsekfobster7823 3 роки тому +4

      @Anna Tagi Still MMT but Tonga was definitely colonized, Germans and now the Chinese. Tongan sellouts like the current king and George Tupou put up no fight

    • @horsekfobster7823
      @horsekfobster7823 3 роки тому +6

      @Anna Tagi He’s like a figurehead, a puppet for the colonizers in power. He’s selling us out to China, that’s why the drug problem is getting worse because the meth is coming from China

  • @jeffhou4142
    @jeffhou4142 2 роки тому +8

    could we please have a real person to read.

  • @noah-xv8cv
    @noah-xv8cv 9 місяців тому +6

    I AM NOT COMMENTING THIS BECAUSE IM SAMOAN⚠️⚠️⚠️. I 💯 believe that all polynesian came from Samoans or Tu'i Manu'a empire. I don't care which empire is bigger, I care where do most polynesian originate from. But I will list out summaries and links below:
    🇹🇴Tonga:According to Samoan oral tradition, Tonga was once under the sway of the Tui Manu'a and paid tribute to the chiefs of Samoa. In the tenth century this dominance was reversed, the Tui Manu'a were supplanted by the Tuʻi Tonga Empire, and Samoa's chiefs paid tribute to Tonga. In the thirteenth century Talakaifaiki brought Samoa under his direct control, and established a capital at Safotu on the island of Savaiʻi. He was later driven out by the progenitors of the Malietoa dynasty.Despite this successful rebellion intermarriages between Tongan and Samoan chiefly lines continued, and Ngata, the progenitor of the current Tonga royal dynasty, the Tuʻi Kanokupolu, was of Samoan descent.According to Samoan legend, Aso'aitu (Aho’eitu in Samoan) was the first Tu’i Tonga (ruler of the south) and son of a deified Samoan high chief, Tangaloa ‘Eitumâtupu’a, and whose mother was a Tongan woman, Va’epopua, of great noble birth. This double origin, entitled the Tu’i Tonga to hold both divine and secular offices. For Samoa in particular, it was especially important to have these genealogical links in order for one's rule to be legitimized. This is seen again in later centuries during Queen Salamasina's time, as she was descended from this same line of both Samoan and Tongan aristocracy. In principle, the close cultural and historical interlinkages between Fiji, Samoa and Tonga were essentially elitist, involving the intermarriage between regional aristocratic families.
    🇼🇫 Uvea Mo Futuna (Wallis And Futuna:Oral tradition records rich connections with the Samoans, whose arrival was peaceful. The sovereigns of the kingdom of Alo would thus come from Samoa (lineage of Fakavelikele). Similarities in constructions were also observed between the two islands. There is no suspect of the connection between Uvean (Wallisan) and Samoan I could find.
    🇳🇺Niue:Polynesians from Samoa settled Niue around 900 AD. Further settlers arrived from Tonga in the 16th century.
    🇹🇰 Tokelau:Archaeological evidence indicates that the atolls of Tokelau - Atafu, Nukunonu, and Fakaofo - were settled about 1,000 years ago from Samoa.
    🇳🇿Aotearoa/New zealand:
    www.tiktok.com/@themsavaiiboys/video/7296025599687003393?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7315791942980519426
    Tuwhaka-raro - Tuisavalalo
    Whakatau-potiki - Va'atausili
    Manahua - Manu'a
    Muriwhenua - Mulifanua
    Whangaroa - Fagaloa
    Whangarei - Fagalei
    Apakura - Apalua
    🇺🇲Hawaii:
    www.tiktok.com/@themsavaiiboys/video/7270805144026041602
    Hawai'i
    Havai'i (pronounced in hawaiian)
    Savai'i
    Links:
    www.science.org/content/article/game-changing-study-suggests-first-polynesians-voyaged-all-way-east-asia
    www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/study-reveals-intrepid-seafarers-started-in-samoa-before-settling-polynesia-20210923-p58u3v.html
    www.samoanews.com/linking-samoans/dna-study-reveals-samoa-islands-starting-point-polynesian-migration
    www.worldhistory.org/uploads/images/10691.png?v=1599156904
    www.gifex.com/detail-en/2009-12-29-11508/Polynesian_migration_in_Oceania.html
    Empire size comparison:
    Tu'i Manu'a: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tui_Manu%27a#/media/File%3ATui_Manu'a_Empire_Map.png
    Tu'i tonga: twitter.com/GeographyNow/status/1525942109584228352
    Empire Language comparison:
    Tu'i Manu'a:
    Samoan
    Tongan
    Fijian
    Futunan
    Niuean
    Uvean
    Tuvaluan
    Tokelauan
    Cook Islands Māori
    i-Kiribati
    Tahitian
    Rotuman
    Pukapukan
    Tuʻi Tonga:
    Samoan
    Tongan
    Futunan
    Uvean
    Fijian
    Many Polynesian languages uses "k" in their alphabet while the Samoan uses the " ' "(Apostrophe) in their alphabet which support that some alphabet are added from the Samoan language.
    IF YOU DON'T AGREE OR AGAINST, IT'S ALL FINE, I WONT JUDGE YOUR OWN OPINION⚠️⚠️⚠️. ONE LOVE ❤❤❤🇳🇿🇹🇰🇨🇰🇼🇫🇳🇺🇼🇸🇦🇸🇹🇴

    • @Alipac463
      @Alipac463 9 місяців тому

      We're all one color underneath Short dog is in the house you better listen to me. Too short.

    • @Sideeyezz
      @Sideeyezz 8 місяців тому +3

      According to Tongan History Tui Manua didn't make the cut 😂😂😂 he don't exist my guy

    • @howdoyouknowme9802
      @howdoyouknowme9802 3 місяці тому +1

      Stop talking ki’o usi

    • @TONGA-ITITE-AU-O-TONGA
      @TONGA-ITITE-AU-O-TONGA 2 місяці тому

      This is about Tonga not Samoa.😮😮

  • @fabianniestegge4105
    @fabianniestegge4105 2 роки тому +9

    Is it Tonga Time?

    • @jaqenhghar2970
      @jaqenhghar2970 2 роки тому +8

      it sure is, friend.

    • @skeptacleone
      @skeptacleone 2 роки тому +1

      Been Tongan Aint Enough, You Need SAMOA !!!!

    • @siomokof3425
      @siomokof3425 Рік тому +1

      @@skeptacleone 😂😂😂🎯💯

  • @aisakeliu8461
    @aisakeliu8461 Рік тому

    Yes Lapita tribe from South Africa

  • @jmjm1920
    @jmjm1920 3 роки тому +13

    LAPITA MIGRATION first settlement from Western Vanuatu Fisi Tonga Uvea Futuna before Ha'amoa and rest of Polynesia Tongan Empire Ruler of Polynesia Ofu Ta'u Manuka chiefs from Ancient Tongan practices called Tokatufa 'Umutakitaki! 🤫

    • @umsula
      @umsula 2 роки тому +5

      Sii they’re talking about empire not settlers! Oua fa’a pa pe me’a oho, ilonga ai ho tae’ilo(ignorance)

    • @nesian_183
      @nesian_183 2 роки тому +3

      USO tui manuka is tui manu'a islands of America Samoa today Tonga and Samoa are one through tagaloa eiki god of the skies in Tonga and tagaloalagi of Samoa who is our creator the same creator that begot ahoeitu and ngata the same line in Tonga which is called kanokupolu the line where tongas first governor came king George Tupou taufaahau the first because just like Tonga Samoa and polynesia we now know that the most powerfull kingdom yesterday today tomorrow is the kingdom of JESUS CHRIST ♥️

    • @jmjm1920
      @jmjm1920 2 роки тому +5

      @@nesian_183 Manuka is a village in Tongatapu Island 🏝 from our History Kohai Koau mo Momo or Maui Tangaloa and Pulotu were the highest Titles Clan not God! Koau Eastern part of Tongatapu residents of Ha'a Maui the navigators Ha'amonga a Maui Stonehenge Maui Tonga Fusifonua the land creator name all Islands as VAIHI in Tonga the big land SAMERICA named after Savaihi in Ha'amoa and Havaihi in Hawaii big Island meaning the same Ha'a Tangaloa 'Atulongolongo 'Eitumatupu'a Tamapoulialamafoa Tufunga Tuli Kohai residents in Tapuhia Kolopelu and Folaha Pulotu to Western Fisi also Tu'ifalefa Papa'iFa Tu'ifolaha in Manuka from Tongatapu Pulemelei Siaheulupe was built by 23rd Tuitonga Momo Talafata 2 similar to Talietumu in Uvea built by Kau'ulufonua 1 Tuitonga Fanga'one'one Tapu'osi Lomiaetupua as Talakaifaiki 1 Puipuikifatu (Tu'iavi'i) Havea 1Havea 2 (Patonga) Talatama Talaiha'apepe Tele'a Kau'ulufonua 3 his youngest daughter Va'etoefanga mother of Salamasina Papa'iFa 4 Titles and Havea Malietoa beginning of Malietoa they lived and married in Ha'amoa 🙏

    • @increasepeace4996
      @increasepeace4996 2 роки тому +8

      @@jmjm1920 There is a village called Manuka in Tongatapu but the Manuka from Tongan legends refers to Manu'a. The fish hook story that Maui received was from Manu'a not Manuka. The fact you can't tell the difference is laughable 🤣

    • @niatipukaki6271
      @niatipukaki6271 2 роки тому +1

      Manu-kau⚠️⚠️ is in New Zealand.. Auckland. 🌴... @MANU-KAU@MANU-KA@MANU-A 🐦🐦🐦🐦🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴

  • @kakalutangitangi9869
    @kakalutangitangi9869 2 роки тому +11

    Nice try Samoans but nope. There is no tui manua non sense

    • @increasepeace4996
      @increasepeace4996 2 роки тому

      This uploader isn't Samoan dummy 🤣

    • @keewaibk7947
      @keewaibk7947 Рік тому +7

      😂 they want and empire so bad it’s sad

    • @thefireman6738
      @thefireman6738 5 місяців тому

      The samoans killed the tongan empire

    • @kakalutangitangi9869
      @kakalutangitangi9869 5 місяців тому +1

      @thefireman6738 and Tonga still has a King and Samoan ruled by a head of state (no tuimanua nonsense) whose title (Malie toa) was given by a Tongan King. You funny guy

    • @thefireman6738
      @thefireman6738 5 місяців тому +1

      @@kakalutangitangi9869 in samoa everyone is a king🤣🤣

  • @TheWorldIsYourszz
    @TheWorldIsYourszz 3 місяці тому

    Kingdom of flower's 😂

  • @GoneJoka
    @GoneJoka 6 місяців тому

    Sorry Tongans "Tui" is a Fijian title. You're just a provincial empire brass just like Samoa and their "Tui".

  • @skeptacleone
    @skeptacleone 2 роки тому +2

    straight from the horses mouth , admit tongans We are SAMOA....

    • @jmjm1920
      @jmjm1920 2 роки тому +17

      Haha Oldest Tatau instrument found in the Ancient fortress village of Pea Tongatapu 2700 years old 700BC made of Human bones 😊

    • @ltmg9832
      @ltmg9832 4 місяці тому +2

      Nope. I’m Tongan here. I don’t think Tongans came from Samoa and I don’t think Samoa was part of Tonga. I honestly think we were all one nation once upon a time. And just happen to be very similar with one another. You know how in school - there are 7 continents in the world? Coz that’s what the white man tells us right? Well how about that there was an 8th - look up the Island of Mū. It’s hard to find. Well that’s because it’s hard to find on purpose since it’s the closest to the truth. There were ancient texts from other nations to acclaim this. Trust me. Once you go down the rabbit hole - it all somewhat makes sense…

  • @AvaDevine-z6u
    @AvaDevine-z6u Місяць тому

    I'm a Tongan to be honest all of this is a lie don't worry about it don't go backward go forward the past was a dark time BAD things happen that time so let it go just be thankful and happy we are still alive today. Ofa atu to everyone ✌️