if the OPCW final report could be unreliable, why couldn’t the draft report? Why is the draft report suddenly written by infallible hands like it’s the fucking Bible or Bhagavad Gita? What makes these these leaked documents more reliable than the final report after everyone, read… more scientist and experts, weighed in. Is the final report always going to be tampered with because of who supports the OPCW? Nah, that’s not good enough.
The amount of time spent with you asking "How do you explain/do you agree there were helicopters." and this dude responded "No cylinders were seen to be dropped." made me physically sick.
It's like the world's simplest join the dots puzzle. This is a case where there absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, there's no reason people would be staring at helicopters while you're actively being shelled. The fact there was helicopters around, and this other fact that a gas canister in this building broke his brain. The implication was so strong that all he could do was strawman or hallucinating vaush saying there was video linking the two points.
I have to belive that his refusal to explain why Assad wouldn't be doing conventional helicopter bombing runs during the active shelling of a city was intentional, because ceding even that inch of ground-that helicopters could've even been there-would be a failure and he can't allow one chink in his armor. Because if that is how his thought process actually works, he needs to see a goddamn neurologist.
my guys point is literally…..”oh you just got attacked by a highly concentrated chemical in a small space with little to no ventilation? just leave ☺️❤️”
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
"Did you eat the cookies?" "I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten." "We'll get to that. did you eat the cookies?" "I answered that already. I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten." "OK, let's take this one step at a time. So you agree that cookies were eaten?" "I never said someone drank milk and cookies, and who said eating cookies was bad?" "No ones talking about milk yet. What about the cookies?" "I answered that already. I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten." This isn't even ignorance. This is active dishonesty.
A more accurate starting question is "I see there used to be cookies on this plate by seeing the crumbs. What happened to the cookies?" No one disputes dead bodies are at the scene. The problem is finding out what happened. There wasn't enough chlorine in the room to kill the people in the short amount of time (being just below the maximum drinking water limit). There wasn't a way for the chemical canisters to have dropped through a roof, bounce off the floor, and land on a bed 3 meters away without damaging the floor. Despite Vaush's claims, there isn't a single video showing dozens of people fleeing (his own video was basically just a tour, showing all the dead bodies, zero helicopters, zero crowds, zero bombs, zero gas). Vaush wants to claim Ian wasn't at the site when there's documentation showing he was leading the expedition. Vaush has flipped his claims multiple times, made personal unfounded attacks/accusations, and every time he was asked for a citation, Vaush couldn't bring anything. He argues basically like a CIA puppet. Not worth anyone's time.
@@seanrichwood203 I'm not going to argue the facts of the topic, simply because I am not informed enough to do so. It is also not the meat of my critique. Simply, vaush's rhetoric far outshined his opponent. As someone coming in without independent knowledge, I had to look at each debator and judge them on their actions. And for me it came down to credibility. Vaush's opponent damaged themselves in several ways. The talking points are useful, but repeated ad nauseam and in a blanant manner to dodge answering a question, especially a statement of what you believe, is damaging. Doing it 5+ times makes you look like Marco Rubio robotting his way through a debate with canned answers. It hammers the belief that you're an honest interlocketor, especially when he can stake a position and force vaush to do the same. He lost any good faith I had in his argument with this blunder. The second was allowing vaush to set a hypothetical about the cannisters that worked with the current thought by experts, and not pose his own. No matter how many times or in how many ways vaush asked him for his hypothetical, he dodged. It made him look like a blind zealot for his cauae and his argument weak. Vaush came off more reasonable and more prepared. To a person without any pre established feelings on the Syrian situation, the "CIA plant" came out a clear winner.
@@kurln So Vaush’s irrational ad hominems, constant flipping of positions, being unable to cite sources (the one source he sent Hinkle didn’t even show what Vaush alleged showed), and making up smears of people while using fake sources is fine as long as one sounds confident. Can’t agree with you there.
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"We have video of people freaking out and dying." "Oh where's this video of objects being dropped from helicopters?" "That's not what I said." "You said there's a video of helicopters dropping objects." "Dude, no I didn't. That's not what I said." "Well you claimed someone took a video of objects being dropped by helicopters."
I can’t believe he just supplied the counter-argument to his own claim. What rational human being would think that it would make sense for gas to be affective in open trenches but not apartment buildings? If he just pretended that the trenches weren’t even a thing, he’d look less stupid than he does here where he acknowledges the exact reason why he’s wrong but continues to insist he’s correct anyways without providing an explanation for how he’s right. It was baffling to listen to
Gas was specifically used as a weapon in response to the trench warfare of WW1 because of how effective it is in that environment. Gas doesnt move through walls...
He kinda did with the whole, “why would you keep bombing if there may be a possible peace deal for the retaking the city?” Which is completely nonsense
@@JBlazingit Considering Iraq was wiped of the map on alleged use of WMD. The logic of Assad to use it just to give USA a legitimate reason to intervene and wipe the floor with him.
@John Langley Obama also said that but he didn't invade Syria either. But my argument wasn't Syria is militarily stronger than Saddam's Iraq but that the fallout from invading would be worse, having Syria having advanced AA missiles means the US ground forces would be without reliable air support which would result in more US casualties not to mention Russian forces would likely intervene to save Syria causing direct confrontations. So it is a completely different situation.
@@dpersonal4187 Comment from your profile. _"Stop trolling. Especially on other people's comment sections."_ Not your first rodeo being deliberately shitty lol
And no one else but bad man Assad could have done it. Cause that would benefit him tremendously, As both American troops, ISIS and Al Qaeda are running lose. Anyone who believes in this shit are as dumb as the people who think that bin Laden planned and orgestrated the entire 9-11 attack from a cave in Afghanistan... While being on tubes somewhere else at the same time. on conspiracy with Saddam Hussein and his magical WMDs.
I'm not saying that the moon is made of cheese. I just think that it brings up a lot of interesting questions and there should be a deeper investigation.
@@coreyaruecker How can something possibly be more complicated than the moon possibly being made of cheese? How would this have happened? Is there a planet made of cheese somewhere? Was there at one point a species so advanced on earth they made a moon of cheese for shits and giggles? Has NASA been lying and knowing this whole time? What does this mean for colonization of the moon? Can we eat the ground of the moon? Will there be any actual resources in the moon due to it being made of cheese or is it all just cheese? Are moon rocks very burnt and hardened moon cheese or are they fake deploys by NASA? Is Elon Musk a Cheese Man? These questions need to be answered.
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
Vaush: "The witnesses have seen helicopters" Hinkle: "No, they haven't seen them drop cylinders" I am going crazy. These are two separate claims! They do not contradict!
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
vaush is the slippery one saying "saw helicopters" to "saw helicopters dropping bombs" to "saw helicopters dropping cylinders" lmao and so what if they were there, could have been dropping conventional bombs or could have been on observation and intel mission, and not only was the opcw caught red handed covering this up but now even bbc admits they " " messed up " " too
Rational person: "The reports didn't specify, just the same as they didnt specifiy that it was chlorine gas, what suggestions do you have in your years of chemical weapons research?"
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash That's an appeal to authority fallacy. Vaush doesn't need a degree in chemical research to debate this and you can as easily turn that argument back on him.
I don’t know Vaush none of us were there and got chlorine poisoning when it happened so how can we ever truly know anything about a well documented incident?
@@TheCentristChad Australia doesn't exist. I haven't SEEN IT. How can I know it exists? I conclude then that Australia's existence is a lie the illuminati told us
@@jendelreavis358 I'm a German who visits. That name is a relic from my teenage years when I thought it would be a good idea if people on the internet know where I come from, right away.
@Alexis Andres Nah my dude, that's tone policing and you know it. One thing that I've learned from the internet is to never be tolerant of tone policing. It's a complete waste of time. When your opponent is a conspiracy theorist Assad chemical weapons denier, of course you can compare them to holocaust deniers. They're doing the same things that they do to defend their favorite dictator. Deny the facts and deny the reports from the majority of the people on the ground. Deny, ignore, stick their fingers in their ears. Whatever they have to do.
Except no one here was defending Assad. You just make up positions from people of opposing ideologies in an attempt to try and shame them, as Vaush has done here. It is also what Republicans did in 2003 where through who opposed intervention in Syria were all of a sudden “Saddam defenders.” We are against the intervention of the US government in Syria and have strong evidence that a lot of the claims of chemical attacks were false. We do not defend Assad as a whole, that is something YOU made up.
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
This is probably vaushs best debate performance to date. Familiar with all of the talking points, vigorously researched, and a calm dismantling of Hanson jongles’ desperate attempts to obfuscate and redirect. All while staying calm and approachable enough to keep him around long enough to embarrass himself through basic questions. This should be studied in universities.
@@GawdTy That's definitely up there, though that dude was just a kid. Still very funny, though Hinkle certainly has a lot more to his name, even if it's not worth a whole lot, lol.
This seemed like an incredibly easy debate to win. He did research a lot, but the only thing this guy brought to the table was some minutes from early into the investigation. I feel like some of his more impressive debates are ones where he defends gender self-identification, for example.
@@Mega88888rebels had the international backing of several sunni countries and rightfully so There were chemical attacks performed long before that though
The only reason that anyone would need to own a gun is when the government lets literally anyone buy them. have to protect yourself from the idiots that think they have to protect themself
@@CassiusStelar And also, y'know, la revolution. And they're just really nifty pieces of tech. I know a lot of mechanics nerds who love gunsmithing just because it's such a fun craft to fiddle around with.
@@CassiusStelar I mean it's also a hobby, the hobby involves things that can kill people but a bunch of people seem to forget that a lot of people just like guns, the same way I like art or sports, it's just a hobby that needs murder dildos
@@princessstrawberry4623 Yeah. I dont mind if people collect them, like with swords, but imo you need to know how to not be an ass to own pointy or shooty things
**Guy doubts the geological nature of moon rocks and gives vague counter evidence against their lunar origin.** Vaush: “So, to be clear, you believe the moon is made out of cheese?” This guy: “No, that’s not what I’m saying! Let me explain it for the FOURTH time. Dairy companies were working with NASA heavily at the time…”
It seems to be a common trait amongst Vaush audience that they mistake aggressive shouting of the same ignorant drivel for knowledge. The nuance of the difference between actual scientific evidence and unsupported claims is totally lost on them. Vaush greatly over-estimates his own understanding of almost every subject that he touches. The guy is a narcissist.
And to be sure, that's not even the same thing as alleging the Moon landings were a hoax. That's just doubting whether some piece of rock someone wants to sell you is really Moon rock. Particularly if they have a history of past scams and a clear motivation to scam you.
"Henderson's conclusion is that there was a chemical weapons attack" "What's your source" "His report" "Where are you getting that?" "It was his conclusion, in his report"
"I suspect this is probably going to be a waste of time, because I have a lot of experience debating holocaust deniers." I mean, that says it all right there.
Would hold more weight if he didn't go on to deny the bombings occurred. It's as if he was debating nick fuentes and said the same thing about nazis. There's always gonna be an idiot in the comments saying "the left will call anyone a nazi" It's like the only way to be an asad apologist is to explicitly say you're one..
@@DrScott666 their principals are the same, they use snippets and half-truths to bolster what they want to believe, ignoring the blatant reality and evidence supporting it
My favorite part was when Jackson clearly didn't understand that chlorine gas is twice as dense as air, so it sinks. Opening a window or, indeed, smashing a hole through the wall wouldn't work lmao
Saying there was a hole in the roof (roof are generally above/at the top of a building no?) pretty clearly demonstrates he doesn't understand that dense gasses/fluid sink in relatively less dense gasses/fluids. This is also why the oceans don't float above our heads.
@Antoine Wilson Are you blind? It was an apartment building, a highly contained area; that's literally the definition of a building. And because, as we've established, chlorine gas sinks. So tell me, how did those innocent civilians die?
Why would a heavier gas escape the room even if windows where open? If you would pop a canister in a room with open windows only the initial pressure from the release would push some of the gas to it? But say the cannister lands on a cold concrete floor you have a heavier gas going out on a cooler then ambient floor?
@@lokalkakan I’m not sure if this is just a UK meme but I was taking the piss out of the Assad defender. It’s from the Grenfell tower incident where cladding was highly flammable and killed a bunch of people.
Daily reminder: Defending a Right wing dictator, bashing the squad & lauding Tucker Carlson as some sort of economic populist, working class hero, does not make you a Leftist.
@Don Or you can critique where criticism is warranted. What 3LD is saying is these people defend/ under criticize one side and over criticize another which shows inconsistencies with their ethics. Jimmy Dore and Glenn Greenwald for example.
@Don Very, very few watching this are pro intervention or imperialism, nor do they oppose holding Democrats accountable. I would argue most of us question the overzealous focus on Syria and the lack of attacking the Right at all from those who claim to be Leftists. The priorities in some on the Left seem strangely removed from the big picture and that is to push progressive Left policies forward.
@Don yeah you say that did you miss the paris attack? Mass murder of civilians in a terror attack by isis ? Yeah they forced the wests hand Aside from the warcrimes being commited daily in syria.
@Don Oh my apologies then. Usually when someone comments like that, they tend to have ulterior motives and are a pro -assad apologist just because America and the western world has its issues. I was wrong.
Whenever Hinkle is approached by a random person on the street, he usually responds with "Trouble citizen?", "No lollygagin", "I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee" or something similar. Literal NPC brain. Should we call Bethesda? One of the Institute's androids seem to have gotten away.
Only like 1/4 of the way though and I can't watch them go in circles any more. "How is it poorly ventilated there is a hole in the roof?" "Chlorine gas is heavier than air" "Okay but there was a hole in the roof"
I know right. How big of a clown can vaush be to suggest that the echo was there so that jackson could get out of it. What an idiot that guy is and what an idiotic conspiracy theory he tried to peddle during this.
@@clintholmes2061 Vaush is a clown for not wantin shit audio on his stream. But Jackson isn't the Clown for saying the Echo is fake when you can literally replay back the vod and video. Just cause you're Jacksons fan doesn't mean you gotta defend this my guy.
"and also eyewitness testimonies. and video evidence. and pictures of both the canisters and the surroundings that indicate rapid corrosion as a result of exposure to chlorine. other than that, there's no evidence."
The whole argument is that we do not know what happened in Duma because the original investigation was ended abruptly. We don’t know what chemical weapons were used in the attack nor do we know if it is the Syrian government. The issue is that the US can use these claims as an excuse to bomb the Syrian government. Until there is hard evidence to prove that Syrian government placed chlorine cylinders in those buildings we should all probably just say that we don’t know and maybe not call people with those positions nazis lol
@@candycane1686 That wasn't this guy argument, he constantly spoke about how absurd the idea of the incident even happening was. And the evidence seem to be fairly conclussive to the extent to which this stuff can be known, and you deserve to be called a nazi for defending Assad because of some misguided idea of anti-imperialism.
@@candycane1686 the US bombed nerve gas production facilities as a result of the attack because incomplete initial evidence led them to believe Assad used sarin gas. Why would the US stage a chlorine gas attack that they then used to justify the bombing of a nerve agent production facility?
The fact that people said Vaush lost and their main arguments for Vaush losing were that he "rage quit" and that he "made up an echo" goes to show that Twitter lefties don't actually care about the arguments put forth, they just care about aesthetics.
@@paulsmith7579 He doesn't gish gallop and presents (and analyzes) actual evidence and sources. He's as far from shapiro as possible. The Assad Defender, however...
@@zacheryeckard3051 all he did was cite the official and discreditted OPCW report (hence the scandal!) and defend it as fact, talking at a zillion miles an hour, pivoting illogically and rapidly and shouting over any reply and constantly throwing insults. That's exactly what Ben Shapiro does. The major difference between the two is that Shapiro doesn't sit in his mum's basement in his Y-fronts all day.
Imagine if you and all your neighbors are horrifically murdered with chemical weapons. And halfway across the world people accuse you of faking it or it being propaganda
EXACTLY, as Vaush explained, there is lots of evidence available but Jackson refused to acknowledge or engage with it again and again and again. Classic holocaust (or climate change) denial bad faith tactics. "we need more evidence before we can make any evaluation what so ever bla bla bla".
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He says the foam is not indicative of what happened here. This statement tells you everything, the evidence doesn't matter. He just said, the thing that definitely did happen, foaming at the mouth, is not indicative of what happened here, non chemical attack. This is madness. The foaming definitely DID happen, death by shelling may or may not have happened, but the shelling HAS to explain the foam which DID happen and it does not. He's simultaneously not refuting that the foam happened but also saying foam isn't indicative of what my side alleged happened. Yeah buddy, that's the problem. Whatever counter narrative has to explain this. He's starting with the conclusion and working backwards.
See, you are approaching this whole argument with the wrong mindset. Remember first and always that reality does not matter. If you do that, you will find that Jackson is being perfectly reasonable
I’ve argued with this dudes fans on Twitter. They are absolutely deranged. All of the conspiracy theory lies on the word of a single dude who is discredited in the final report, they link you a website called the GrayZone, which sources other gray zone articles in the “proof” and any source that you provide, they will just laugh off and say that those websites are run by “imperialists.” They can’t follow simple cause-and-effect or inference, they will play the semantics game for hours, it’s a clown show
Lol just remembered mentioning the chlorine traces on everything and the ACTUAL reason they think that happened, is CIA assets went in and sprayed everything with chlorine to sell the false flag. Like, somehow nobody noticed a group men spraying bleach everywhere, and Assad just let that happen in the city he then controlled. 🤣
Jackson: They couldn't have died of chemical weapons because the building had a gaping hole Also Jackson: WW1 soldiers died of chemical weapons in the trenches
The amount of gas released in ww1 was far greater, which is why the point about the open roof is relevant. It's like saying there's a contradiction between "Kevlar protects you from a bullet" and "the man was shot 3,000 times while wearing kevlar and died"
@@xxcoldsteelexx chlorine gas.. Sinks... A hole in the roof does nothing, and an apartment building is usually a bit smaller than the collected trenches on a battlefield.. Amount doesn't matter, concentration does.
@@xxcoldsteelexx Yeah, no, dude. Chlorine gas is significantly denser than air. It would flow downward through the building. This is the reason why it was used in WW1, because it reliably descended into trenches instead of floating above them. The hole in the roof is completely irrelevant no matter how much or how little chlorine was used. Zero chlorine would come up through the roof, because, again, chlorine does not float in the air. It sinks. Gases like it are a basic phenomenon in fluid dynamics, which you can see yourself by just looking up sulfur hexaflouride-- a similarly heavy gas that is far less dangerous but also mostly invisible. You see the exact opposite with helium, something with which basically every person in the developed world is familiar.
I can't. This dude thinks that "proper ventilation" in the context of a chemical attack means having open windows. Such a shame so many soldiers died from chlorine attacks in WW1. I guess technology hadn't advanced enough to install windows into trenches
@@squishish I haven't the foggiest. My only explanation is that lefties took the "America is terrible" rhetoric to it's logical conclusion and now think it's the fourth Reich or something and that any and all opposition to it is good. As usual, idiots took it too far and we all have to waste time dealing with them while the literal rise of fascism continues.
I don't agree with this guy but this is an unfair criticism. He agrees that Assad is a brutal dictator. You can believe that someone is bad while still arguing that some of the atrocities attributed to him did not occur/ were not actually his. This would be like leftists arguing against claims like "Stalin killed 100 million people" while also saying he was a brutal dictator. You can do both.
the guy: it was reported not consistent with chlorine gas poisioning vaush: this is why the guy: but it wasn't consistent! vaush: this is why the guy: wiufhdhsfjdsh
It's legitimately disturbing how this person is able to not challenge any statement describing a chemical weapon attack, but still pretend to believe there was no attack despite having no alternative explanation for the actions which clearly happened.
@@transfemme5749 except "the west" isn't real. And as Assad is a puppet for Putin, I guess, if you define Putin as western, or rather Moscow as western, then, I guess I see what you mean, I still think that's reductive and removes a lot of responsibility from Assad for bombing his own people
@@grouchypseudopod354 It's amazing how defensive you get whenever there is criticism of American imperialism and white supremacy. I bet you deny the existence of European colonialism, centuries of white supremacy and racism. The whole world knows your country America was built on stolen land and continues to commit war crimes across the world while bombing children in Iraq and Syria. Nice try dude.
@@jimohara *you a bot, not a bit, probably are. The rest of these individuals feel just terminally online, I am pretty sure you are just a bunch of linux. Nice going on being a sci Fi version of genocide denial. That's pretty cool, NGL.
It's like 9/11 twoofers and other conspiracy theorists. All they ever do is ask, what about this and what about that, but they can never come up with a coherent, consistent explanation of what they think really happened that makes any sense whatsoever.
Questions this dude can't answer: Was it a false flag? Does he think there were Helicopters? Were the canisters manually planted? How did the cylinders get there? -- Did I miss any?
Lies vaush made include: claims about ian henderson's report and what it said, claims about his role in the original investigation, called jackson a neonazi, lied about what his video showed happening and more. But you think the greater crime is admitting you don't know everything and not being provably full of shit? Alright then.
@@bretthatesgirlsify LMFAO That's exactly the type of worthless BS I'd expect from a vaush sycophant. I'm only impressed you refrained from calling me a neonazi before ignoring the substance of my comment.
@@darkphoenix2 "pretty sure we only say you are similar to neo nazis" LMFAO. "neonazi, there's literally no difference." vaush "not that you actually are" LMFAO We only say literally the exact same things neonazis do but you aren't calling us neonazis. It's like you are trying to have your everyone's a neonazi cake and eat it too.
@@Jimmymatthewb First off, they don't know how much gas was present, they're claiming that there was no gas at all (or maybe something else, his claims kept changing). Second, the amount of gas is really only secondarily related to the effects. You only need around 1000 parts per million (0.1 percent of 1 million parts of available air) to get these near instantaneous death results. While it's true that you would need a minimum amount to get these results, all amount past that is really about spreading the effects farther. In WW1 there was a ton of gas dropped because they were trying to spread it over a huge battlefield, not really because a huge amount of gas is required to kill someone quickly. Plus if you think about how the gas can affect the body, only a certain amount can really interface with a person to cause affects. Everything past that has no effect, so the idea that you need WW1 levels of gas there, an amount meant to cover miles and miles of battlefield, to kill people in a closed in apartment building is ridiculous. You would not need a large amount of gas to kill someone, especially in this closed in environment naturally limiting the availiable amount of air the chlorine has to displace to be deadly. Plus the claim they're making isn't even really that they were dying instantaneously, it's that it couldn't have been fatal in 30 minutes. With that you only need around 400 ppm (0.04%) which makes this claim that theres no way for this to happen without a fucking WW1 level of gas even more ridiculous (Stole this comments from @JolliesRancher)
How could anyone think Vaush lost this? Seriously. Not being biased. The dude literally lost on an information basis and a performative rhetorical basis.
His opponent's backdrop includes a yellowish American flag on their wall 🤷🏻♀️ Edit: Sincerely. I can imagine some outsiders view the debate, see the flag & think, "Oh, that's our guy. He's the one we're supposed to root for. That guy without the flag is our heel."
@Jupiter Foxx this debate is uploaded on the opponent's channel as well. However, both cams are viewable for the debate w/ Vaush minimized in the screen, top right. That flag is doing some heavy lifting as far as optics go.
“Do you think there was a gas attack?” *goes on to make a bunch of useless statements about other peoples speculation It’s like saying “do you think this bill from Biden will be successful?” “Well I don’t know it was passed by the house and the senate but I’m not defending the people that passed it or put it by myself” WHAT?
@@mazzep4098 Points made by Vaush, 1. Dead bodies with foam in their mouths were found at the scene 2. Foaming of the mouth can be caused by chlorine 3. Green gas was seen at the scene which could indicate dense chlorine gas 4. Syrian helicopters were in the area at the time and seen by people on the ground 5. Syrian helicopters are known to bomb the area and were bombing at the time 6. Chlorine canisters were found at the scene with no other clear explanation 7. Chlorine gas sinks 8. Ian Henderson's report disagrees with the majority of reports and is contested by the OPCW
Honestly one of the strongest arguments against conspiracy theorists is why did whoever did the bad thing, do what you think they did. For example, Flat Earth theory. Flat Earthers say that NASA is just paying literally millions of people off... because? What do they get for lying about the shape of the Earth?
To justify yet another intervention from the US government, as they have done many many times over the years not limited to the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Vietnam War, etc. This isn’t new. Also, this isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s backed by many reputable sources.
Auto refrigeration is simply because expanding gases cool. When the gas is under a ton of pressure there are a bunch of collisions between the particles and that cause heat. So the opposite. So when gases(really fluids in general) under a ton of pressure rapidly depressurize they lose a ton of heat really quickly and thus the cooling effect. It’s literally the same principle that AC and refrigerated use. Just in reverse. A fluid that evaporates easily is run through the coils in the refrigerator picking up heat and cooling through evaporation as it’s allowed to expand. Then when it gets to the compressor it puts the fluid under pressure which essentially squeezes out the heat. For AC units that’s what the big fans outside are for. Blowing air over the coils to increase the rate that heat is removed. Basic thermodynamics.
@@shiggles1065 Everything that has ever been taught to you throughout your life has been a long con so to prepare you to fall victim to this false flag. This is basically what people are saying when they claim I’m being a sheep in regards to science related shit and I say that I have two science degrees so I don’t need their word to understand it and they just say it’s indoctrination. Like damn. They sent nine years lying to be about how science works so that they could do this thing today haha.
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It was very hard listening to this guy talk about how they could have just walked out of the building and survived chlorine gas. Open windows and doors in comparison to literal open air is totally different. This guy doesn't seem to understand that you can't just open a window. Chlorine gas also can't escape the roof even if there is a hole in it.
This is the issue I have with political narratives at large - the level of confirmation bias becomes insane. People start with an idea that has some merit - like the argument that America's foreign policy is overly aggressive - and then just treat that as an epistemic truth.
I chalk it up to Vaush’s patience with this conspiracy theorist’s ability to fold when confronted. The conspiracist didn’t want to offer up his statement/conclusion backed by his fact which I find very strange. If you have the fact and then apply it as a source to your claim, the you make your claim based on that fact. But he was probably just young and didn’t know how to do English 100 or high school English for that matter.
This was like trying to get an NPC to break out of is dialogue tree. V: Why were there canisters? NPC: There was a video of helicopters dropping canisters? V: No, how did they get there? NPC: There was a video of helicopters dropping canisters?
Vaush: "How do you explain the dead children foaming at the mouth?" Jackson: *"They may have been **_'compromised'_** ..."* Alex Jones has a contender.
You might be an American and perhaps unaware of how your country has used children as propaganda to start wars, but as an Iraqi I'll point to the Kuwaiti baby incubator lie the US regime put forward in 1991, putting the 15 yr old daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador in front of a mic and coaching her to say that Iraqi troops had thrown babies out of their incubators. This story shifted US public support for the Gulf war and so the war began. When the fabrication of the story became evident, it was too late because 100,000 US troops were already in iraq. This is one war propaganda story out of many and this is how your country has waged wars on us Arabs for DECADES. Why do white leftists keep falling for this? The fact that your country keeps killing us over lies is partly your responsibility too.
@@mahahaysas804 you want to make an extraordinary claim you do it with evidence. You can't just defer to "CIA PSYOP PLANT" when shit gets too hard for you to answer but there are dead human beings involved. Honestly. You're disgusting.
@@Diinytro Not sure if youre blind and your handler didnt tell you this but they have "proud liberal" in their pfp and mine is a monster truck school bus, not "proud conservative"
6 September، 2021 London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
Vaush: Chlorine gas is heavy and settles to the bottom. Windows and a hole in the roof don’t help. Dishonest NPC: But there was a hole in the roof and open windows. Vaush: Again, chlorine is a heavy gas that settles down rather than dissipates upwards. Dishonest NPC: But hole in roof and windows. Vaush: Chlorine is heavier than air! Dishonest NPC: Roof hole above and open windows. - What an absolute waste of time.
Ok so for some reason I was mentally replacing Assad with Hassan and I was confused as hell when Assad’s regime and chemical weapons were brought up. 😅
@@KARKAT420 For any specific purpose or reason? Why are Americans in the Middle East, doing the exact same thing you accuse Assad for? And who are your "rebel" allies to take down a bad man and replace him with someone to more of your personal liking? How many countries has Assad invaded? How many countries have you invaded or waged dark wars in the last 30 years alone?
@@bohemianwriter1 Pretty sure the individual whose UA-cam account's named Tiffany Zink didn't invade any country nor wage dark wars in the last 30 years lol
@@bohemianwriter1 so whataboutism and no actual argument? And yeah the US has done bad shit over there, I dont recall chemical weapons specifically so its weird you would say the US is doing what they accused Assad of.
@@douglaslangley9251 US doesn't neet to use chemical attacks, just support the rebels financially, indirectly US has killed more than any individual dictator, but this doesn't means we have to overlook what Russia financed dictators do to their people
@@inteallsviktigt This isn't a court of law, this is a 1v1 debate with someone who holds no personal position. Or won't reveal it... He could've simply said, "We don't know and cannot know what happened for certain. The end." Would've saved us a lot of time. But we all know he thinks it was faked. He won't say it outright because he can't adequately back it up and he knows it.
@@bananafingers4927 yes it is. This is not Mob justice as you think it is. Unless the evidence can conclusively prove Assad did it and not another rebel group or faction you cant Justifiably claim he is guilty and responsible. We already invaded Iraq under false pretenses of evidence that ended up not existing, this forces us to be extremely careful. We can know, and currently the dispute is the official reports conclusion is disputed by the ones who wrote it as its inconclusive of who did what.
@beanbo is that not his point tho? Vaush is very sure Assad is responsible for the gass attack, while the other dude argues we don't know. What position is he supposed to take? He does not need to take the position its false flag, the rebbels did it, USA did it, Russians did it, ISIS did it etc, when he just need to show it's not reasonable to default to Assad did it when the evidence is not conclusive
@@BenReillySpydr1962 It's ironic when directly after that acknowledgement he proceeds to spend 2 hours defending Assad from all criticisms using the exact same talking points as the more extremist defenders
No. He was claiming that the opcw whistleblowers were the ones on the ground in Syria and came back and said this definitely was not a chlorine or a sarin gas attack. If you don't believe him, you should look into Aaron mate and his presentation to the UN. This is important as whether or not Assad actually gassed his own people was used as the pretext for invasion. I Also, it's not actually about whether Assad is a good person or not. Really, US corporations just want the oil. Vash and all you good little wash fans are useful idiots for the war machine. I'm sure Raytheon appreciates your efforts.
@@elizabethsmusicandarts1590 The Douma attack was in 2018. It's 2021 and America still haven't made a formal declaration of war towards Syria. Come up with better conspiracies. America Bad isn't a political position
@@Raikourin So where was the defense? You can say you're skeptical of a particular action claimed against a bad person without it being a defense. I mean if someone said 9y11 was Jeffery Dalmers fault and I said Im skeptical that isn't defending Dalmer. Idk why you have this false dichotomy. Besides we shouldn't be in Syria anyway and as a leftist you ought to agree.
I can feel my IQ dropping from listening to this debate. I don't know how vaush can keep his composure when talking to someone like this. I actively threw my hand up in the air and groaned everytime the guy didn't answer the question. I would have gotten mad so quickly.
Because this has been fact for 5 years the the chemical weapons attack in duma was faked by America . The un says it the report he is talking about says it the secretary of defense admitted it . Please grow up
@@kaosisback8376 if that's the case then why didn't he answer the question instead of dancing around it? If that's true it should have been easy to answer.
Oh I feel you so much about that Panda. The way he wouldn't even confirm claims he made literally seconds prior was just infuriating. But this is how these people argue, its plain and simple dishonesty.
Wait, one of his arguments is that death from chlorine exposure only happens that fast in World War I-level ordinances. As if 21st-century weapons would be less effective.
I think he's saying that the ordiance that was found at this site is different from the chlorine that was used ww1 shelling attacks and could not have dispersed as much. This is a very reasonable possibility.
@@TheBetweenSkill well I think he also meant to say that u can’t leave a trench so ur stuck too and there’s nothing below a trench, any sway I’m not here to argue but I do has something 1:15:20 “You do realize Ian Henderson did concludeThere was a chemical weapons attack” 1:16:01Vaush “He said the evidence pointed in the direction” 1:17:49 Vaush “I believe what I said was that the report was principally On the method of canister delivery” 1:20:17 Vaush “I said very specifically thisDocument does not speak On the existence of a chemical weapons attack” Here’s vaush lying or back peddling or proving he’s too uninformed and hyper opinionated to be of any authority on this topic. Do what u want with it
Chlorine is an element in the periodic table. It forms diatomic molecules. Chlorine has been Chlorine since it was formed in this universe, so no that is not a reasonable possibility
*Facists making 2 hour long takes that have no substance or accuracy* Normal person: “I’m leaving. It’s pointless to talk to you” Conservatives: “Ha! You called me pointless which means you imply I’m uneducated! I’m clipping this! You’re weak!”
The fact that all the commenters here think Vaush was actually the victor in this debate is pure… yikes. I implore you all to seek alternative points of view. Don’t get your entire political education from a UA-camr that self-describes as an “Anarcho-Bidenist”. 🤦🏽♀️
If you could point to some points, I’d be interested in hearing them. I’d say Vaush did a lot better job at explaining how the chlorine concentration would’ve been damaging in the area of interest, which I felt Jackson struggled with.
@@stopmotionartist4987 (1) The fact that you're taking your points from someone who read wikipedia articles the night before should be of somewhat concern to you, hopefully. (2) You're not an engineer, Vaush is not an engineer, Hinkel is not an engineer. Nor are they chemical weapons experts. The point of the debate was to understand how *experts* viewed and understood the evidence (and which of those expert views were censored, if any) not to tee up the debaters own laymen interpretations. (But Vaush never let the debate get there, because, well, he wasn't debating in good faith.)
@@carjaune6793 1) Wikipedia isn’t inherently bad, the problem is finding the sources it uses. Wikipedia has a feature where you can find the sources cited; So what sources should Vaush not have used? Also it’s okay to study the night before so long as you’re being accurate. What arguments did Vaush use that didn’t work? For example, he countered Hinkle’s “the roof had a hole” argument by stating that chlorine gas is heavier than air, so it wouldn’t go through the roof. I also don’t think you need to be a certified expert to talk about something, I just care you know about it and have others point your shortcomings. There was a lot of appeal to authority from Jackson which I felt hindered the conversation more than helped it, because whether someone is an expert or not is independent of whether their logic/arguments are sound or not
Why does that surprise you? Vaushes audience are the most sycophantic sheep on youtube. They will always take his side no matter how retarded his arguments are.
I hate these people that only have 3 talking points. Don't think about anything else. Besides their 3 or 4 points and just hit repeat on all their points for any damn question. I'm getting a headache listening to this.
@@DATxRAGE Playing guessing games on how it happened doesn’t while ignoring evidence of OPCW tampered reports. This debate shows that Vaush will call anyone that doesn’t agree with him a Nazi
Thanks Vaush for everything. I was on the route to becoming a tankie and was already sold this conspiracy theory. U have pulled me out of that hole and i cant thank u enough. Im now beyond fuming that i bought into this crap. U should tackle george galloway, a tankie and assad defender, he was the one that got me into this vortex. Keep the good work up
Dude stop getting invested in this shit, if it really is bothering you so much LITERALLY just log off and go outside. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm saying this sincerely. It's not good for your mental health to be so invested in something that has no consequence to you and which you have no knowledge of. If your reliant on people like Vaush to correct the record and get your information, then you need to take a step back and reevaluate how you consume media.
@@Tiera_H Hey, thanks for that. I was admittedly never into that conspiracy much tho. I knew a few points but never was into it like any conspiracy theorist, the “ points “ those tankies made just seemed to make sense with me at that time. I also thought the uighur genocide was false but medhi hasan had this great segment with a guest that poked many holes into that. Then, after rewatching the vaush and borger king debate it all made sense on how lost i was. Vaush is right that far right politics is full of ppl with mental illnesses. I suffer from quite of few of those myself, and therefore was a prime target to fall into this shit.
It didn't happen. And if it did, i'm not advocating for the guy who did it. And if he did it, it wasn't chlorine gas. And if it was, the room was ventilated. And if the gas sank, the windows were open and this made it ventilated. They died too quickly for it to be chlorine gas. It was ventilated. Also, there wasn't any chlorine gas but if there was it was ventilated. and if it wasn't, why didn't they just run outside in the middle of an areal bombardment?
Haha yes after the fact logic becomes just that after the fact. To think that people should act perfectly logical and have all the information in seconds of what is happening is of course absurd. Most people in the world would avoid all kind of mistakes if they lived in an after the fact reality. It would be a superpower on par or even beyond Superman but I guess it feels real when one think about a situation with a lot more information and knowing about mistakes that lead to death that we why they not did the opposite. The answer is simple there is no go back and rewind and study all the mistakes afterwards.
I remember a while ago I started watching this and couldn’t finish because the response “just crack open a window 4head” to a chlorine gas attack was too much to handle, but I didn’t know how much worse it got.
Jackson: I don't think it's 100% certain that penguins are birds... Vaush: So what about the beak, furcula, feathers, carina, other aspects of the skeleton, the brain anatomy. the molecular analyses? Jackson: ... listen... experts say that penguins can't fly... Vaush: Other experts agree that not all birds fly Jackson: ... the draft report says that penguins can't fly... Vaush: so does the draft report say that penguins aren't birds? Jackson: ... the draft report says that penguins can't fly... Vaush: So what about the beak, furcula, feathers, carina, other aspects of the skeleton, the brain anatomy. the molecular analyses? Jackson: ... ha ha did you look that up on Wikipedia? ...the draft report says that penguins can't fly... I don't think we can be sure of anything... etc. etc.
Alright so this debate was pretty hectic and confusing throughout but let me get this straight - the cannisters were not full of chlorine gas, despite the corrosion and video evidence showing frost on them just after being deployed - they were "manually placed", as if someone lugged in several 180lb empty cannisters and stuck them in holes in the building to look like they were dropped - the video is fake, somehow, despite the same people in the footage later showing up dead (really dedicated crisis actors!) - mouth foaming not real - chlorine being heavier than air doesn't matter because people could just open a window and there was a hole on the roof - one unpublished single person's paper on this is proper evidence - this was all a ploy for the US to bomb some Syrian facilities, as if they needed to stage this to justify it Yeah it was totally a staged attack Assad is a saint who would never stoop to committing war crimes against his own people! I mean they love him! He has a 95% approval rating!
@@RationalMind yeah if there was no chlorine gas, why the reactions evidencing it. What would even be IN the cannisters if not a chemical weapon? How did these people die if not from a chemical weapon? The holes in the logic of people denying this are big enough to drive a transport truck through.
“If you think your house is filled with chlorine gas, just sell it”
Ben Shapiro
"If your city is constantly under siege, just sell your house."
@@DamienBlade WRONG! You sell your city.
If you live in poverty just get rich
@@lalitthapa101 bruh u in a concentration camp? Just escape smh
Benjamin Shapiro
As a biochem student, I'll be sure to tell my lab professor that if a reaction produces too much chlorine gas, we should honestly just crack a window
"CHLORINE DIDN'T KILL ANYONE IN WWI VAUSH, THE TRENCHES HAD WINDOWS!"
- Hackson
@@nafaidni 🎵Hackson Jinkle heard a clinkle and picked his RT money🎵
And you’d instantly get an A.
German soldiers sweating profusely because they have no windows tonopen in their trench 🥺
if the OPCW final report could be unreliable, why couldn’t the draft report? Why is the draft report suddenly written by infallible hands like it’s the fucking Bible or Bhagavad Gita? What makes these these leaked documents more reliable than the final report after everyone, read… more scientist and experts, weighed in. Is the final report always going to be tampered with because of who supports the OPCW? Nah, that’s not good enough.
The amount of time spent with you asking "How do you explain/do you agree there were helicopters." and this dude responded "No cylinders were seen to be dropped." made me physically sick.
It's like the world's simplest join the dots puzzle. This is a case where there absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, there's no reason people would be staring at helicopters while you're actively being shelled. The fact there was helicopters around, and this other fact that a gas canister in this building broke his brain. The implication was so strong that all he could do was strawman or hallucinating vaush saying there was video linking the two points.
I have to belive that his refusal to explain why Assad wouldn't be doing conventional helicopter bombing runs during the active shelling of a city was intentional, because ceding even that inch of ground-that helicopters could've even been there-would be a failure and he can't allow one chink in his armor.
Because if that is how his thought process actually works, he needs to see a goddamn neurologist.
The burden of proof is not on Hinkle
@@hqlife5128it is, he’s the one saying all the other experts are wrong and taking the findings of ONE guy over literally everyone else
my guys point is literally…..”oh you just got attacked by a highly concentrated chemical in a small space with little to no ventilation? just leave ☺️❤️”
You really think that's what he was saying?
@@hansfrankfurter2903 yes
Just MOOOOOVE smh
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash It still happened
"Did you eat the cookies?"
"I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten."
"We'll get to that. did you eat the cookies?"
"I answered that already. I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten."
"OK, let's take this one step at a time. So you agree that cookies were eaten?"
"I never said someone drank milk and cookies, and who said eating cookies was bad?"
"No ones talking about milk yet. What about the cookies?"
"I answered that already. I can see how cookies could have been eaten and I'm not defending that cookies can be eaten."
This isn't even ignorance. This is active dishonesty.
A more accurate starting question is "I see there used to be cookies on this plate by seeing the crumbs. What happened to the cookies?"
No one disputes dead bodies are at the scene. The problem is finding out what happened. There wasn't enough chlorine in the room to kill the people in the short amount of time (being just below the maximum drinking water limit). There wasn't a way for the chemical canisters to have dropped through a roof, bounce off the floor, and land on a bed 3 meters away without damaging the floor. Despite Vaush's claims, there isn't a single video showing dozens of people fleeing (his own video was basically just a tour, showing all the dead bodies, zero helicopters, zero crowds, zero bombs, zero gas). Vaush wants to claim Ian wasn't at the site when there's documentation showing he was leading the expedition.
Vaush has flipped his claims multiple times, made personal unfounded attacks/accusations, and every time he was asked for a citation, Vaush couldn't bring anything. He argues basically like a CIA puppet. Not worth anyone's time.
@@seanrichwood203 cope
@@seanrichwood203 I'm not going to argue the facts of the topic, simply because I am not informed enough to do so. It is also not the meat of my critique. Simply, vaush's rhetoric far outshined his opponent.
As someone coming in without independent knowledge, I had to look at each debator and judge them on their actions. And for me it came down to credibility. Vaush's opponent damaged themselves in several ways.
The talking points are useful, but repeated ad nauseam and in a blanant manner to dodge answering a question, especially a statement of what you believe, is damaging. Doing it 5+ times makes you look like Marco Rubio robotting his way through a debate with canned answers. It hammers the belief that you're an honest interlocketor, especially when he can stake a position and force vaush to do the same. He lost any good faith I had in his argument with this blunder.
The second was allowing vaush to set a hypothetical about the cannisters that worked with the current thought by experts, and not pose his own. No matter how many times or in how many ways vaush asked him for his hypothetical, he dodged. It made him look like a blind zealot for his cauae and his argument weak.
Vaush came off more reasonable and more prepared. To a person without any pre established feelings on the Syrian situation, the "CIA plant" came out a clear winner.
@@seanrichwood203 the rest of us know about ww1 and how chlorine actually works.
@@kurln So Vaush’s irrational ad hominems, constant flipping of positions, being unable to cite sources (the one source he sent Hinkle didn’t even show what Vaush alleged showed), and making up smears of people while using fake sources is fine as long as one sounds confident. Can’t agree with you there.
The real false flag was the friends we made along the way
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
"hi im a relatively new streamer my name is jackson" this is like hitler introducing himself in the post credits of that one ww1 film
I love how Hinkle was just some random person in this debate and has gone on to be one of the wildest tankies in the streaming game as of now
He has ascended Tankiedom. He is an Elder God of Retardation now.
And now he grifts as a conservative…
@@thibaultl1956 Does he?
Tankie, conservative whats the difference? @thibaultl1956
"We have video of people freaking out and dying."
"Oh where's this video of objects being dropped from helicopters?"
"That's not what I said."
"You said there's a video of helicopters dropping objects."
"Dude, no I didn't. That's not what I said."
"Well you claimed someone took a video of objects being dropped by helicopters."
“These studies were done in enclosed spaces like battlefields rather than wide open spaces like apartment blocks”
Facepalmed myself through the wall behind me lol
I can’t believe he just supplied the counter-argument to his own claim. What rational human being would think that it would make sense for gas to be affective in open trenches but not apartment buildings?
If he just pretended that the trenches weren’t even a thing, he’d look less stupid than he does here where he acknowledges the exact reason why he’s wrong but continues to insist he’s correct anyways without providing an explanation for how he’s right. It was baffling to listen to
Gas was specifically used as a weapon in response to the trench warfare of WW1 because of how effective it is in that environment. Gas doesnt move through walls...
@@bigredftp it moves through doorways and staircases pretty good though!
Because apartment blocks are known for being wide open
This the same dude who is now denying russia is targeting civilians in ukraine.
He also says that Taiwan is not a country.
looks at the difference between israel civilian attacks and russia and then the truth prevails
@@faridmaulaui3644two countries can kill civilians in different wars Yknow
"Massive gaping hole in the roof" Ah yes, because that matters SO MUCH with a gas that is heavier than air.
Bro... I had to pause the goddamn video. What a moron.
Unfortunately, Junkle Dunkle is denser than chlorine gas.
"The windows were open"
"The chlorine gas sank down into the trenches"
Pick one, buddy
No u
The funny thing is Vaush fans are literally making the same joke each comment to cover up their cult leader getting blown tf out.
@@mazzep4098 Cope :)
Hinkle owned Vaush and exposed him for the weaselly little liar he is.
@@defaulttmc “hinkle owned Vaush” lol. Don’t reproduce.
I'm almost shocked he didn't use the "there's no way they used chlorine gas on civilians, that's a war crime" argument in this debate
He kinda did with the whole,
“why would you keep bombing if there may be a possible peace deal for the retaking the city?”
Which is completely nonsense
@@JBlazingit Considering Iraq was wiped of the map on alleged use of WMD. The logic of Assad to use it just to give USA a legitimate reason to intervene and wipe the floor with him.
@@inteallsviktigt Iraq wasn't a client state of Russia, with S-300 missile defense systems
@John Langley Obama also said that but he didn't invade Syria either. But my argument wasn't Syria is militarily stronger than Saddam's Iraq but that the fallout from invading would be worse, having Syria having advanced AA missiles means the US ground forces would be without reliable air support which would result in more US casualties not to mention Russian forces would likely intervene to save Syria causing direct confrontations. So it is a completely different situation.
@@am.i.cognizant9981 and in what way does that change the legality of invading a sovereign state on potentially false pretenses?
remember kids, if the chlorine gas is 15 minutes late *LEGALLY* the gas is not allowed to enter your home.
Chlorine gas operates on vampire logic; it can’t enter your home without being invited in
I love how you Vaushbots parade your ignorance and pretend it's humor and/or thinking.
@@dpersonal4187 Comment from your profile.
_"Stop trolling. Especially on other people's comment sections."_
Not your first rodeo being deliberately shitty lol
@@dpersonal4187 Okay Assad
And no one else but bad man Assad could have done it.
Cause that would benefit him tremendously,
As both American troops, ISIS and Al Qaeda are running lose.
Anyone who believes in this shit are as dumb as the people who think that bin Laden planned and orgestrated the entire 9-11 attack from a cave in Afghanistan...
While being on tubes somewhere else at the same time. on conspiracy with Saddam Hussein and his magical WMDs.
I'm not saying that the moon is made of cheese. I just think that it brings up a lot of interesting questions and there should be a deeper investigation.
This is a LOT more complicated than that. Watching vaush is rotting your brain, child
So true. Vaush proves that the moon isn’t cheese by being a giant baby constantly trying to bait his opponent in bad faith, and rage quitting
@@coreyaruecker How can something possibly be more complicated than the moon possibly being made of cheese? How would this have happened? Is there a planet made of cheese somewhere? Was there at one point a species so advanced on earth they made a moon of cheese for shits and giggles? Has NASA been lying and knowing this whole time? What does this mean for colonization of the moon? Can we eat the ground of the moon? Will there be any actual resources in the moon due to it being made of cheese or is it all just cheese? Are moon rocks very burnt and hardened moon cheese or are they fake deploys by NASA? Is Elon Musk a Cheese Man? These questions need to be answered.
@@coreyaruecker how is it more complicated? It's believing in bigfoot logic. Since it's possible it must be true shit. Anomaly hunting to the max.
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
this guy is impossible to debate, he refuses to make any claims himself and instead interrupts every one of your points
Pretty much.
Fortunately he is by no means impossible to mock.
@kingfuqurmahmen6792 Mad about a year old comment lmfao fucking seethe about it.
@kingfuqurmahmen6792bit late mate gr8 b8
Vaush: "The witnesses have seen helicopters"
Hinkle: "No, they haven't seen them drop cylinders"
I am going crazy. These are two separate claims! They do not contradict!
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash be more specific
vaush is the slippery one saying "saw helicopters" to "saw helicopters dropping bombs" to "saw helicopters dropping cylinders" lmao and so what if they were there, could have been dropping conventional bombs or could have been on observation and intel mission, and not only was the opcw caught red handed covering this up but now even bbc admits they " " messed up " " too
Turns out Russiagate was BS lies , and you will wake up one day a realise this was BS too you Clown.
@@michealkelly1414 exactly and it's already been exposed with opcw and bbc ,some ppl take longer to get there i guess
I lost faith in humanity finding out there are anti science hinkle supporters in this comment section
This is actually one of the saddest attempts to defend a stance, let alone such a weak one lol
@@jimohara is this your life. Spamming the comments section of a UA-cam channel you don't like? That's so sad.
@@robertpresley1503 Nice argument. Almost as intellectually honest as grand groomer Vaush
@@kugelscheier5035 I mean...its not an argument? Its pointing out that someone is spamming the comments like someone with no life.
@@kugelscheier5035 Jackson couldn't answer a single question, cope harder.
@Warlightor uh...no.
Vaush: if it wasn’t chlorine gas then what was it?
Assad defender: new phone who dis?
Rational person: "The reports didn't specify, just the same as they didnt specifiy that it was chlorine gas, what suggestions do you have in your years of chemical weapons research?"
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash That's an appeal to authority fallacy. Vaush doesn't need a degree in chemical research to debate this and you can as easily turn that argument back on him.
I don’t know Vaush none of us were there and got chlorine poisoning when it happened so how can we ever truly know anything about a well documented incident?
Deniers of war crimes and genocide just read to much Descartes
How can I know anything I never saw ever happened? Therefore everything is a lie
@@TheCentristChad Australia doesn't exist. I haven't SEEN IT. How can I know it exists? I conclude then that Australia's existence is a lie the illuminati told us
@@MasterAdam100 Wyoming too. Think about it: Brokeback Mountain is supposedly based on Montana, but where did they film it? Canada. Sounds sus to me.
@@nessie7306 I Am From Australia And Not A Bot It Is Very Real And True Not A Place For Dumping Prisoners Into The Ocean Trust Me
Vaush should have started with the question whether he believes Syria exists and then work his way down t the details.
@@jendelreavis358
I'm a German who visits. That name is a relic from my teenage years when I thought it would be a good idea if people on the internet know where I come from, right away.
"I'm not defending whether Syria exists or not! The Fact Finding mission didn't investigate those claims," Hinkle, probably.
My jaw hit the floor when he said “I have let you talk through all of this” this dude could not stop interrupting.
@Alexis Andres Nah my dude, that's tone policing and you know it. One thing that I've learned from the internet is to never be tolerant of tone policing. It's a complete waste of time. When your opponent is a conspiracy theorist Assad chemical weapons denier, of course you can compare them to holocaust deniers. They're doing the same things that they do to defend their favorite dictator. Deny the facts and deny the reports from the majority of the people on the ground. Deny, ignore, stick their fingers in their ears. Whatever they have to do.
That Guy was so frustrating, always interrupting Vaush and not just straight answering questions, always pivoting
Except no one here was defending Assad. You just make up positions from people of opposing ideologies in an attempt to try and shame them, as Vaush has done here. It is also what Republicans did in 2003 where through who opposed intervention in Syria were all of a sudden “Saddam defenders.”
We are against the intervention of the US government in Syria and have strong evidence that a lot of the claims of chemical attacks were false. We do not defend Assad as a whole, that is something YOU made up.
okay, I read this comment while rubbing my eyes and I thought it said "my jew hit the floor"
Just had to share that
@Alexis Andres literally not true. At that point this guy literally talks twice as much.
Why do all these guys have the exact same voice using the exact same microphone? They all sound like 19-year-olds.
They mostly are. Twitter tankies are like 90% college undergrads who recently discovered dialectical materialism.
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash and?
This is probably vaushs best debate performance to date. Familiar with all of the talking points, vigorously researched, and a calm dismantling of Hanson jongles’ desperate attempts to obfuscate and redirect. All while staying calm and approachable enough to keep him around long enough to embarrass himself through basic questions. This should be studied in universities.
Definitely up there. Frankly came overprepared for the discussion that followed, lol.
Agree
Nah my favorite is still the guy agreeing to Alden’s number 😂😂😂
@@GawdTy That's definitely up there, though that dude was just a kid. Still very funny, though Hinkle certainly has a lot more to his name, even if it's not worth a whole lot, lol.
This seemed like an incredibly easy debate to win. He did research a lot, but the only thing this guy brought to the table was some minutes from early into the investigation. I feel like some of his more impressive debates are ones where he defends gender self-identification, for example.
"I'm not an Assad defender"
"There's an international conspiracy to blame Assad for a gas attack that didn't happen"
@@Mega88888rebels had the international backing of several sunni countries and rightfully so
There were chemical attacks performed long before that though
I don't know how Vaush can have conversations like this while also being a gun owner and still have an intact cranium and brain.
Vaush is a gun owner? On top of everything else?
Goddamn, I'm boutta fall in love.
The only reason that anyone would need to own a gun is when the government lets literally anyone buy them. have to protect yourself from the idiots that think they have to protect themself
@@CassiusStelar
And also, y'know, la revolution. And they're just really nifty pieces of tech. I know a lot of mechanics nerds who love gunsmithing just because it's such a fun craft to fiddle around with.
@@CassiusStelar I mean it's also a hobby, the hobby involves things that can kill people but a bunch of people seem to forget that a lot of people just like guns, the same way I like art or sports, it's just a hobby that needs murder dildos
@@princessstrawberry4623 Yeah. I dont mind if people collect them, like with swords, but imo you need to know how to not be an ass to own pointy or shooty things
**Guy doubts the geological nature of moon rocks and gives vague counter evidence against their lunar origin.**
Vaush: “So, to be clear, you believe the moon is made out of cheese?”
This guy: “No, that’s not what I’m saying! Let me explain it for the FOURTH time. Dairy companies were working with NASA heavily at the time…”
Vaush lost, bad. Rip
The OPCW investigators original report = vague counter evidence?
Were you actually watching? No shame if you gave up, we're all friends here.
It seems to be a common trait amongst Vaush audience that they mistake aggressive shouting of the same ignorant drivel for knowledge. The nuance of the difference between actual scientific evidence and unsupported claims is totally lost on them. Vaush greatly over-estimates his own understanding of almost every subject that he touches. The guy is a narcissist.
And to be sure, that's not even the same thing as alleging the Moon landings were a hoax. That's just doubting whether some piece of rock someone wants to sell you is really Moon rock.
Particularly if they have a history of past scams and a clear motivation to scam you.
man this guy does not like being forced to speak out of the dialog tree
Does he come to the cloud district very often? What am I saying? If course not.
"Henderson's conclusion is that there was a chemical weapons attack"
"What's your source"
"His report"
"Where are you getting that?"
"It was his conclusion, in his report"
Right? I'm 20 min in and I feel like he hasn't answered a single question without resorting to talking points that don't answer the question
it’s hard okay ;(
@@periwinkle43 I'm an hour 10 minutes in and I have a headache.
"I suspect this is probably going to be a waste of time, because I have a lot of experience debating holocaust deniers." I mean, that says it all right there.
I completely agree! Let's move the goal posts and link one conversation with another! 👍
Would hold more weight if he didn't go on to deny the bombings occurred.
It's as if he was debating nick fuentes and said the same thing about nazis. There's always gonna be an idiot in the comments saying "the left will call anyone a nazi"
It's like the only way to be an asad apologist is to explicitly say you're one..
@@DrScott666 their principals are the same, they use snippets and half-truths to bolster what they want to believe, ignoring the blatant reality and evidence supporting it
I was stunned. What a way to poison the well!
@@DrScott666 Mega Cope
My favorite part was when Jackson clearly didn't understand that chlorine gas is twice as dense as air, so it sinks.
Opening a window or, indeed, smashing a hole through the wall wouldn't work lmao
One might say that property is exactly why this gas was used in war. Because it doesn’t just dissipate super fast.
@@WaddyMuters Exactly. That's why is was also used in the WW1 because most of the fighting was done in trenches.
Saying there was a hole in the roof (roof are generally above/at the top of a building no?) pretty clearly demonstrates he doesn't understand that dense gasses/fluid sink in relatively less dense gasses/fluids. This is also why the oceans don't float above our heads.
@Antoine Wilson Are you blind?
It was an apartment building, a highly contained area; that's literally the definition of a building.
And because, as we've established, chlorine gas sinks.
So tell me, how did those innocent civilians die?
@Antoine Wilson *snaps fingers impatiently*
How
Did
Those
People
Die.
Curious, you claim to breathe chlorine gas yet there were windows 🤔
Why would a heavier gas escape the room even if windows where open? If you would pop a canister in a room with open windows only the initial pressure from the release would push some of the gas to it? But say the cannister lands on a cold concrete floor you have a heavier gas going out on a cooler then ambient floor?
@@lokalkakan I’m not sure if this is just a UK meme but I was taking the piss out of the Assad defender.
It’s from the Grenfell tower incident where cladding was highly flammable and killed a bunch of people.
@@MikeSpike117 vaush got owned lmao
@@hitchhiker8798 you live in a different reality
@@hitchhiker8798 Nope. The Assad defender literally could not understand his own statements.
Daily reminder:
Defending a Right wing dictator, bashing the squad & lauding Tucker Carlson as some sort of economic populist, working class hero, does not make you a Leftist.
@Don denying attrocities amd ignoring the fact that groups such as isis sat up base in syria does however kinda force the hand of the west.
@Don Or you can critique where criticism is warranted. What 3LD is saying is these people defend/ under criticize one side and over criticize another which shows inconsistencies with their ethics. Jimmy Dore and Glenn Greenwald for example.
@Don Very, very few watching this are pro intervention or imperialism, nor do they oppose holding Democrats accountable. I would argue most of us question the overzealous focus on Syria and the lack of attacking the Right at all from those who claim to be Leftists. The priorities in some on the Left seem strangely removed from the big picture and that is to push progressive Left policies forward.
@Don yeah you say that did you miss the paris attack? Mass murder of civilians in a terror attack by isis ?
Yeah they forced the wests hand
Aside from the warcrimes being commited daily in syria.
@Don Oh my apologies then. Usually when someone comments like that, they tend to have ulterior motives and are a pro -assad apologist just because America and the western world has its issues. I was wrong.
Whenever Hinkle is approached by a random person on the street, he usually responds with "Trouble citizen?", "No lollygagin", "I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee" or something similar.
Literal NPC brain. Should we call Bethesda? One of the Institute's androids seem to have gotten away.
Only like 1/4 of the way though and I can't watch them go in circles any more. "How is it poorly ventilated there is a hole in the roof?" "Chlorine gas is heavier than air" "Okay but there was a hole in the roof"
The echo conspiracy is definitely one of the funniest moments in a Vaush stream recently
The CIA headset was leaking to the stream so they needed an excuse to stall until the problem could be fixed
He had a lot of trouble understanding why he wouldn’t be hearing it if it was on his end.
I know right. How big of a clown can vaush be to suggest that the echo was there so that jackson could get out of it. What an idiot that guy is and what an idiotic conspiracy theory he tried to peddle during this.
Then again I can't blame him for trying to use the echo to run away. He clearly needed an excuse to stop talking as he was being exposed as an idiot.
@@clintholmes2061 Vaush is a clown for not wantin shit audio on his stream. But Jackson isn't the Clown for saying the Echo is fake when you can literally replay back the vod and video. Just cause you're Jacksons fan doesn't mean you gotta defend this my guy.
"There's no evidence that those cannisters leaked chlorine gas, so long as you ignore the corpses of the gas attack victims."
"and also eyewitness testimonies. and video evidence. and pictures of both the canisters and the surroundings that indicate rapid corrosion as a result of exposure to chlorine. other than that, there's no evidence."
"besides, there were open windows! Everyone knows you can't die from gas while the windows are open."
But you should believe the claims (which werent even claims) from people who had non of that evidence
@@randyohm3445 don't forget they also had doors
@@Aik0J That's right! If it were REALLY gas, they would have just fanned the door a few times to air it out!
Typical Peterson responses. Say stuff that imply things but never commit or say anything of substance so that you can say "I didn't say that".
The whole argument is that we do not know what happened in Duma because the original investigation was ended abruptly. We don’t know what chemical weapons were used in the attack nor do we know if it is the Syrian government. The issue is that the US can use these claims as an excuse to bomb the Syrian government. Until there is hard evidence to prove that Syrian government placed chlorine cylinders in those buildings we should all probably just say that we don’t know and maybe not call people with those positions nazis lol
@@candycane1686 "placed"?
@@candycane1686 That wasn't this guy argument, he constantly spoke about how absurd the idea of the incident even happening was.
And the evidence seem to be fairly conclussive to the extent to which this stuff can be known, and you deserve to be called a nazi for defending Assad because of some misguided idea of anti-imperialism.
@@candycane1686 the US bombed nerve gas production facilities as a result of the attack because incomplete initial evidence led them to believe Assad used sarin gas. Why would the US stage a chlorine gas attack that they then used to justify the bombing of a nerve agent production facility?
@@at5203 then why did the OPCW inspectors come to a different conclusion? Vaush had zero answers for that.
Well, now Hinkle stands by Assad. Who could have predicted...
God bless President Bashar al-Assad and glory to the Syrian Arab Army and laugh! 🇸🇾🇵🇸
*A L L E G E D L Y*
I feel like this Hinkle man has had biblical knowledge of an ostrich with how much he says allegedly.
good god he's debating the ginger
That's a two man job for sure... More hands make the work go faster, I bet Infrared helped
The fact that people said Vaush lost and their main arguments for Vaush losing were that he "rage quit" and that he "made up an echo" goes to show that Twitter lefties don't actually care about the arguments put forth, they just care about aesthetics.
Vaush argues like Ben Shapiro. If you are impressed by that that is on you.
@@paulsmith7579 prove it.
@@paulsmith7579 He doesn't gish gallop and presents (and analyzes) actual evidence and sources.
He's as far from shapiro as possible.
The Assad Defender, however...
@@strongbone9471 prove what? That you are impressed by it? Didn't you just do that?
@@zacheryeckard3051 all he did was cite the official and discreditted OPCW report (hence the scandal!) and defend it as fact, talking at a zillion miles an hour, pivoting illogically and rapidly and shouting over any reply and constantly throwing insults. That's exactly what Ben Shapiro does. The major difference between the two is that Shapiro doesn't sit in his mum's basement in his Y-fronts all day.
Imagine if you and all your neighbors are horrifically murdered with chemical weapons. And halfway across the world people accuse you of faking it or it being propaganda
"Talking to you is identical to talking to a Neo-Nazi, there's literally no difference between you people."
Tankies, you may now mald at the truth.
"This is my talking point"
"Well here is all the evidence showing your talking point is incorrect"
"Here is my talking point again"
EXACTLY, as Vaush explained, there is lots of evidence available but Jackson refused to acknowledge or engage with it again and again and again. Classic holocaust (or climate change) denial bad faith tactics. "we need more evidence before we can make any evaluation what so ever bla bla bla".
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
@@ctrash Link source please
@@Ith4qua That shit was over a year ago, you can literally just Google the HEADLINE I commented...
@@ctrash holy shit youre right, sorry for the necro
He says the foam is not indicative of what happened here. This statement tells you everything, the evidence doesn't matter. He just said, the thing that definitely did happen, foaming at the mouth, is not indicative of what happened here, non chemical attack. This is madness. The foaming definitely DID happen, death by shelling may or may not have happened, but the shelling HAS to explain the foam which DID happen and it does not. He's simultaneously not refuting that the foam happened but also saying foam isn't indicative of what my side alleged happened. Yeah buddy, that's the problem. Whatever counter narrative has to explain this. He's starting with the conclusion and working backwards.
See, you are approaching this whole argument with the wrong mindset. Remember first and always that reality does not matter. If you do that, you will find that Jackson is being perfectly reasonable
I’ve argued with this dudes fans on Twitter. They are absolutely deranged.
All of the conspiracy theory lies on the word of a single dude who is discredited in the final report, they link you a website called the GrayZone, which sources other gray zone articles in the “proof” and any source that you provide, they will just laugh off and say that those websites are run by “imperialists.”
They can’t follow simple cause-and-effect or inference, they will play the semantics game for hours, it’s a clown show
Lol just remembered mentioning the chlorine traces on everything and the ACTUAL reason they think that happened, is CIA assets went in and sprayed everything with chlorine to sell the false flag.
Like, somehow nobody noticed a group men spraying bleach everywhere, and Assad just let that happen in the city he then controlled. 🤣
When did we start just taking staged photos at face value. And stop listening to experts like the investigators who actually were at the scene?
@@yemo34 So was the video with the frosted canister also "staged" or...?
Jackson: They couldn't have died of chemical weapons because the building had a gaping hole
Also Jackson: WW1 soldiers died of chemical weapons in the trenches
It's amazing how some people on Twitter thought he won LMAO. Clearly not honest actors.
Seriously.
He destroyed himself repeatedly.
The amount of gas released in ww1 was far greater, which is why the point about the open roof is relevant.
It's like saying there's a contradiction between "Kevlar protects you from a bullet" and "the man was shot 3,000 times while wearing kevlar and died"
@@xxcoldsteelexx chlorine gas.. Sinks... A hole in the roof does nothing, and an apartment building is usually a bit smaller than the collected trenches on a battlefield..
Amount doesn't matter, concentration does.
@@xxcoldsteelexx Yeah, no, dude. Chlorine gas is significantly denser than air. It would flow downward through the building. This is the reason why it was used in WW1, because it reliably descended into trenches instead of floating above them.
The hole in the roof is completely irrelevant no matter how much or how little chlorine was used. Zero chlorine would come up through the roof, because, again, chlorine does not float in the air. It sinks. Gases like it are a basic phenomenon in fluid dynamics, which you can see yourself by just looking up sulfur hexaflouride-- a similarly heavy gas that is far less dangerous but also mostly invisible. You see the exact opposite with helium, something with which basically every person in the developed world is familiar.
I can't. This dude thinks that "proper ventilation" in the context of a chemical attack means having open windows. Such a shame so many soldiers died from chlorine attacks in WW1. I guess technology hadn't advanced enough to install windows into trenches
"It's Chlorine Gas, the window was open, it couldn't have sunk!"
I've got a large number of *World War One Trench soldiers* who might contest that.
"bro why didn't the soldiers didn't just stand up??"
@@squishish Mad strats on the Western front
@@QosmicVoid
i'm in so much mental pain, how do people unironically believe this shit
@@squishish I haven't the foggiest. My only explanation is that lefties took the "America is terrible" rhetoric to it's logical conclusion and now think it's the fourth Reich or something and that any and all opposition to it is good. As usual, idiots took it too far and we all have to waste time dealing with them while the literal rise of fascism continues.
@@QosmicVoid you're probably right. Sigh.
“I don’t defend Assad, but here, let me defend Assad from any and all criticism.”
Thats not what he did though is it?!
@@mrRuss11108 yes that’s what he did
@@mrRuss11108 your gotta be as much in denial as this assad defender is to believe otherwise
I don't agree with this guy but this is an unfair criticism. He agrees that Assad is a brutal dictator. You can believe that someone is bad while still arguing that some of the atrocities attributed to him did not occur/ were not actually his. This would be like leftists arguing against claims like "Stalin killed 100 million people" while also saying he was a brutal dictator. You can do both.
@@eoghan.5003 precisely
the guy: it was reported not consistent with chlorine gas poisioning
vaush: this is why
the guy: but it wasn't consistent!
vaush: this is why
the guy: wiufhdhsfjdsh
Why?
Was it because the original draft was tampered with to start another regime change war
It's legitimately disturbing how this person is able to not challenge any statement describing a chemical weapon attack, but still pretend to believe there was no attack despite having no alternative explanation for the actions which clearly happened.
We know the chemical attacks were used by the west in Syria, just like America dropped phosporus bombd and depleted uranium on Iraqi children.
@@transfemme5749 except "the west" isn't real. And as Assad is a puppet for Putin, I guess, if you define Putin as western, or rather Moscow as western, then, I guess I see what you mean, I still think that's reductive and removes a lot of responsibility from Assad for bombing his own people
@@grouchypseudopod354 It's amazing how defensive you get whenever there is criticism of American imperialism and white supremacy. I bet you deny the existence of European colonialism, centuries of white supremacy and racism. The whole world knows your country America was built on stolen land and continues to commit war crimes across the world while bombing children in Iraq and Syria.
Nice try dude.
@@jimohara *you a bot, not a bit, probably are. The rest of these individuals feel just terminally online, I am pretty sure you are just a bunch of linux. Nice going on being a sci Fi version of genocide denial. That's pretty cool, NGL.
It's like 9/11 twoofers and other conspiracy theorists. All they ever do is ask, what about this and what about that, but they can never come up with a coherent, consistent explanation of what they think really happened that makes any sense whatsoever.
the part where he didn’t understand echos and technology made me violent
Take it out on me
@@tayo17923 *bonk*
give me purple nurples while you’re big spooning me
Cope and seethe echo* echo* echo*
It basically summed up his line of reasoning in the debate as well
Thia was literally "i don't know what happened, but this specific detail is wrong, so how can we made any conclusions what so ever?"
Exactly - that’s literally what the report says.
@@EvilKookie *An interm report. Not the final report.
@@conspiracybullshit3400 an intern? What the fuck are you talking about?
@@EvilKookie the report that they were arguing over? (It was an interim report, even Jackson doesn't deny this)
@@conspiracybullshit3400 A peer-reviewed interim report, yes. What the fuck is your point?
Loved this. Vaush owning a conspiracy theorist is always uplifting.
Questions this dude can't answer:
Was it a false flag?
Does he think there were Helicopters?
Were the canisters manually planted?
How did the cylinders get there?
--
Did I miss any?
Lies vaush made include: claims about ian henderson's report and what it said, claims about his role in the original investigation, called jackson a neonazi, lied about what his video showed happening and more. But you think the greater crime is admitting you don't know everything and not being provably full of shit? Alright then.
@@clintholmes2061 hope you stretched before all those reaches, comrade
@@bretthatesgirlsify LMFAO That's exactly the type of worthless BS I'd expect from a vaush sycophant. I'm only impressed you refrained from calling me a neonazi before ignoring the substance of my comment.
@@clintholmes2061 pretty sure we only say you are similar to neo nazis, not that you actually are
@@darkphoenix2 "pretty sure we only say you are similar to neo nazis" LMFAO. "neonazi, there's literally no difference." vaush
"not that you actually are" LMFAO We only say literally the exact same things neonazis do but you aren't calling us neonazis. It's like you are trying to have your everyone's a neonazi cake and eat it too.
Chlorine gas: drowns people in open fields
Also chlorine gas: “oh no, they cwacked open a window 🥺🥺 im usewess”
Soldiers in WW1 should have been issued car doors instead of gasmasks.
@@TSmith-yy3cc Nice.
It all depends on HOW MUCH chlorine gas, obviously. Gee that logic is so hard to apply, isn't it.
@@Jimmymatthewb First off, they don't know how much gas was present, they're claiming that there was no gas at all (or maybe something else, his claims kept changing). Second, the amount of gas is really only secondarily related to the effects. You only need around 1000 parts per million (0.1 percent of 1 million parts of available air) to get these near instantaneous death results. While it's true that you would need a minimum amount to get these results, all amount past that is really about spreading the effects farther. In WW1 there was a ton of gas dropped because they were trying to spread it over a huge battlefield, not really because a huge amount of gas is required to kill someone quickly. Plus if you think about how the gas can affect the body, only a certain amount can really interface with a person to cause affects. Everything past that has no effect, so the idea that you need WW1 levels of gas there, an amount meant to cover miles and miles of battlefield, to kill people in a closed in apartment building is ridiculous. You would not need a large amount of gas to kill someone, especially in this closed in environment naturally limiting the availiable amount of air the chlorine has to displace to be deadly. Plus the claim they're making isn't even really that they were dying instantaneously, it's that it couldn't have been fatal in 30 minutes. With that you only need around 400 ppm (0.04%) which makes this claim that theres no way for this to happen without a fucking WW1 level of gas even more ridiculous
(Stole this comments from @JolliesRancher)
Ohhhh yeah the red nazis love to brigade. I was wondering about that like/dislike ratio!
Dude this is seriously true read Glen Greenwalds coverage of it he was living in seria at the time and has the un report to prove it was fake
@@kaosisback8376Greenwald is a hack
How could anyone think Vaush lost this? Seriously. Not being biased. The dude literally lost on an information basis and a performative rhetorical basis.
Because Destiny got destroyed in this debate, maybe?
His opponent's backdrop includes a yellowish American flag on their wall 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: Sincerely. I can imagine some outsiders view the debate, see the flag & think, "Oh, that's our guy. He's the one we're supposed to root for. That guy without the flag is our heel."
@Jupiter Foxx this debate is uploaded on the opponent's channel as well. However, both cams are viewable for the debate w/ Vaush minimized in the screen, top right. That flag is doing some heavy lifting as far as optics go.
Very easily? Tf
Because Vaush started immediately with muddying the waters and ad homs?
“Do you think there was a gas attack?”
*goes on to make a bunch of useless statements about other peoples speculation
It’s like saying “do you think this bill from Biden will be successful?”
“Well I don’t know it was passed by the house and the senate but I’m not defending the people that passed it or put it by myself”
WHAT?
He literally sounds like an NPC reciting talking points that he practice saying in the same order every time. It's kind of great.
How much does the state department pay you doods for these low iq comments?
“Have you heard of the high elves?”
@@mazzep4098 did it make you feel like an NPC because you recite talking points too? If so, sorry the comment made you uncomfortable.
@@mystery_guest As opposed to vaush who made no points whatsoever.
@@mazzep4098 Points made by Vaush, 1. Dead bodies with foam in their mouths were found at the scene 2. Foaming of the mouth can be caused by chlorine 3. Green gas was seen at the scene which could indicate dense chlorine gas 4. Syrian helicopters were in the area at the time and seen by people on the ground 5. Syrian helicopters are known to bomb the area and were bombing at the time 6. Chlorine canisters were found at the scene with no other clear explanation 7. Chlorine gas sinks 8. Ian Henderson's report disagrees with the majority of reports and is contested by the OPCW
Honestly one of the strongest arguments against conspiracy theorists is why did whoever did the bad thing, do what you think they did. For example, Flat Earth theory. Flat Earthers say that NASA is just paying literally millions of people off... because? What do they get for lying about the shape of the Earth?
why would the US lie about weapons of mass destruction?
To justify yet another intervention from the US government, as they have done many many times over the years not limited to the Iraq War, Afghanistan War, Vietnam War, etc. This isn’t new.
Also, this isn’t a conspiracy theory, it’s backed by many reputable sources.
It feels like this guy is just spouting random shit out of nowhere
Guy: i have no opinions, im just citing bad data.
Vaush: take a stand and pick one.
Guy: no... I don't wanna.
Auto refrigeration is simply because expanding gases cool. When the gas is under a ton of pressure there are a bunch of collisions between the particles and that cause heat. So the opposite. So when gases(really fluids in general) under a ton of pressure rapidly depressurize they lose a ton of heat really quickly and thus the cooling effect. It’s literally the same principle that AC and refrigerated use. Just in reverse. A fluid that evaporates easily is run through the coils in the refrigerator picking up heat and cooling through evaporation as it’s allowed to expand. Then when it gets to the compressor it puts the fluid under pressure which essentially squeezes out the heat. For AC units that’s what the big fans outside are for. Blowing air over the coils to increase the rate that heat is removed. Basic thermodynamics.
My "chemical engineering" ass absolutely thought about this the whole time....
Or this is just a conspiracy too
@@shiggles1065 Everything that has ever been taught to you throughout your life has been a long con so to prepare you to fall victim to this false flag. This is basically what people are saying when they claim I’m being a sheep in regards to science related shit and I say that I have two science degrees so I don’t need their word to understand it and they just say it’s indoctrination. Like damn. They sent nine years lying to be about how science works so that they could do this thing today haha.
@@shiggles1065 Ah, a fellow ChemE.
To much science! Lol
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
It was very hard listening to this guy talk about how they could have just walked out of the building and survived chlorine gas. Open windows and doors in comparison to literal open air is totally different. This guy doesn't seem to understand that you can't just open a window. Chlorine gas also can't escape the roof even if there is a hole in it.
_drops chemical bomb through a hole in the building_
“dude just crack the window open”
- Jackson
Profile pic??? 🤔🤔
@Tomislav Puklin Vaush is definitely not a liberal lmfao.
Time stamp?
Edit: nvm, got to it 32:30
@Tomislav Puklin why do you feel that Vaush is not a socialist?
@Tomislav Puklin oh god… you’re one of those
This is the issue I have with political narratives at large - the level of confirmation bias becomes insane. People start with an idea that has some merit - like the argument that America's foreign policy is overly aggressive - and then just treat that as an epistemic truth.
Vaush dropped a chemical cylinder in this debate
He allegedly dropped an alleged chemical cylinder
This is an open air debate though
Yea, but the debate was very well ventilated. Windows , doors, and a giant hole in the ceiling. I mean, c’mooooooooon.
@@raz1572 Vaush's arguments are heavier than air and sink down to the debate floor.
how did it get there though? It carries too much weight for Vaush to bring it himself
I chalk it up to Vaush’s patience with this conspiracy theorist’s ability to fold when confronted. The conspiracist didn’t want to offer up his statement/conclusion backed by his fact which I find very strange. If you have the fact and then apply it as a source to your claim, the you make your claim based on that fact. But he was probably just young and didn’t know how to do English 100 or high school English for that matter.
twitter fascists malding
Ah, teenagers pretending to understand politics because they follow a coomer on youtube.
@@miguellopez9611 @Walter Grace
Two white teenage boys speaking...
@@p0bv110 obviously anyone who isn't black is automatically white...did you stop to consider and think that maybe im not white, numbnuts?
This was like trying to get an NPC to break out of is dialogue tree.
V: Why were there canisters?
NPC: There was a video of helicopters dropping canisters?
V: No, how did they get there?
NPC: There was a video of helicopters dropping canisters?
Vaush: "How do you explain the dead children foaming at the mouth?"
Jackson: *"They may have been **_'compromised'_** ..."*
Alex Jones has a contender.
You can't hear him well on this stream bc Vaushs end lowers their volume when they talk over each other. On his stream you hear his entire sentence.
Time stamp?
You might be an American and perhaps unaware of how your country has used children as propaganda to start wars, but as an Iraqi I'll point to the Kuwaiti baby incubator lie the US regime put forward in 1991, putting the 15 yr old daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador in front of a mic and coaching her to say that Iraqi troops had thrown babies out of their incubators. This story shifted US public support for the Gulf war and so the war began. When the fabrication of the story became evident, it was too late because 100,000 US troops were already in iraq. This is one war propaganda story out of many and this is how your country has waged wars on us Arabs for DECADES. Why do white leftists keep falling for this? The fact that your country keeps killing us over lies is partly your responsibility too.
@@mahahaysas804 you want to make an extraordinary claim you do it with evidence. You can't just defer to "CIA PSYOP PLANT" when shit gets too hard for you to answer but there are dead human beings involved. Honestly. You're disgusting.
@@BenReillySpydr1962 what did he say
This is so gross..innocent people died and this guy is waddling through these reports carelessly and can’t answer directly how they died.
Just gross.
ok lib
@@julymagnus493 ok con
@@Diinytro Not sure if youre blind and your handler didnt tell you this but they have "proud liberal" in their pfp and mine is a monster truck school bus, not "proud conservative"
@@julymagnus493 and?
@@Diinytro Tf do you mean "and"? I called him a lib bc he claims that he is one. You called me a "con" and you have no basis for it.
You are not a leftist if you do not support egalitarian values, having a dictatorship is not egalitarian it is hierarchical.
Absolute infantile thinking here
@@chemicaleye5959 please elaborate
@@chemicaleye5959 Great argument…
@@chemicaleye5959 It seems MLs only ever read one goddamm book sometimes, read some proper Anarchist/Libertarian theory for once.
Imagine claiming to be a content creator for over a year and not even having earbuds
6 September، 2021
London, SANA- The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has admitted that Radio 4 documentary on an alleged chemical weapon attack in Douma included serious flaws and baseless allegations.
There is nothing like red fascists.
except for every other flavor of fash, but yeah
Red commies are my favorite.
@@collabrec It's a paradox that they are both the same and not the same. Hence man is surprised that they exist.
@@geopoonaniluva4141 Are you okay? You seem to be ODing on copium.
@@geopoonaniluva4141 You ever read what you write?
Cheering on fascism is BAD.
Vaush: Chlorine gas is heavy and settles to the bottom. Windows and a hole in the roof don’t help.
Dishonest NPC: But there was a hole in the roof and open windows.
Vaush: Again, chlorine is a heavy gas that settles down rather than dissipates upwards.
Dishonest NPC: But hole in roof and windows.
Vaush: Chlorine is heavier than air!
Dishonest NPC: Roof hole above and open windows.
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What an absolute waste of time.
I'm telling you
“Chlorine being heavier than air is a controversial claim and a potential falsehood perpetuated by the US deep state.”
Sargon of PA lost this debate
Ok so for some reason I was mentally replacing Assad with Hassan and I was confused as hell when Assad’s regime and chemical weapons were brought up. 😅
“Breaking News: Hassan Regime allegedly uses chemical weapons against dissidents in Chat”
You know how many gas attacks you need to get the "crime against humanity" badge, scouts? One!
Well Assad has done like thirty or something so I guess he’s a top scout! Killing citizens to make tankies proud!
@@KARKAT420 For any specific purpose or reason?
Why are Americans in the Middle East, doing the exact same thing you accuse Assad for?
And who are your "rebel" allies to take down a bad man and replace him with someone to more of your personal liking?
How many countries has Assad invaded?
How many countries have you invaded or waged dark wars in the last 30 years alone?
@@bohemianwriter1 Pretty sure the individual whose UA-cam account's named Tiffany Zink didn't invade any country nor wage dark wars in the last 30 years lol
@@bohemianwriter1 so whataboutism and no actual argument? And yeah the US has done bad shit over there, I dont recall chemical weapons specifically so its weird you would say the US is doing what they accused Assad of.
@@douglaslangley9251 US doesn't neet to use chemical attacks, just support the rebels financially, indirectly US has killed more than any individual dictator, but this doesn't means we have to overlook what Russia financed dictators do to their people
30 minutes in... so his argument is something may or may not have happened and we may or may not know who did or didn't do something allegedly?
well that is unfortunately how evidence work. Not-Guilty until proven otherwise
@@inteallsviktigt This isn't a court of law, this is a 1v1 debate with someone who holds no personal position. Or won't reveal it... He could've simply said, "We don't know and cannot know what happened for certain. The end." Would've saved us a lot of time. But we all know he thinks it was faked. He won't say it outright because he can't adequately back it up and he knows it.
@@bananafingers4927 yes it is. This is not Mob justice as you think it is. Unless the evidence can conclusively prove Assad did it and not another rebel group or faction you cant Justifiably claim he is guilty and responsible. We already invaded Iraq under false pretenses of evidence that ended up not existing, this forces us to be extremely careful.
We can know, and currently the dispute is the official reports conclusion is disputed by the ones who wrote it as its inconclusive of who did what.
@beanbo is that not his point tho? Vaush is very sure Assad is responsible for the gass attack, while the other dude argues we don't know.
What position is he supposed to take? He does not need to take the position its false flag, the rebbels did it, USA did it, Russians did it, ISIS did it etc, when he just need to show it's not reasonable to default to Assad did it when the evidence is not conclusive
@@inteallsviktigt So you don't know what evidence is.
The only concrete claim this dude makes in the entire debate is "Assad is bad", somewhat ironically
How was that ironic?
@@BenReillySpydr1962 It's ironic when directly after that acknowledgement he proceeds to spend 2 hours defending Assad from all criticisms using the exact same talking points as the more extremist defenders
No. He was claiming that the opcw whistleblowers were the ones on the ground in Syria and came back and said this definitely was not a chlorine or a sarin gas attack.
If you don't believe him, you should look into Aaron mate and his presentation to the UN.
This is important as whether or not Assad actually gassed his own people was used as the pretext for invasion. I
Also, it's not actually about whether Assad is a good person or not. Really, US corporations just want the oil. Vash and all you good little wash fans are useful idiots for the war machine. I'm sure Raytheon appreciates your efforts.
@@elizabethsmusicandarts1590 The Douma attack was in 2018. It's 2021 and America still haven't made a formal declaration of war towards Syria. Come up with better conspiracies.
America Bad isn't a political position
@@Raikourin So where was the defense? You can say you're skeptical of a particular action claimed against a bad person without it being a defense. I mean if someone said 9y11 was Jeffery Dalmers fault and I said Im skeptical that isn't defending Dalmer. Idk why you have this false dichotomy. Besides we shouldn't be in Syria anyway and as a leftist you ought to agree.
I can feel my IQ dropping from listening to this debate. I don't know how vaush can keep his composure when talking to someone like this. I actively threw my hand up in the air and groaned everytime the guy didn't answer the question. I would have gotten mad so quickly.
Because this has been fact for 5 years the the chemical weapons attack in duma was faked by America . The un says it the report he is talking about says it the secretary of defense admitted it . Please grow up
@@kaosisback8376 if that's the case then why didn't he answer the question instead of dancing around it? If that's true it should have been easy to answer.
@@kaosisback8376 echochamber
Omg vaush had no facts! Just hearsay nonsense about hlicopters that
Oh I feel you so much about that Panda. The way he wouldn't even confirm claims he made literally seconds prior was just infuriating. But this is how these people argue, its plain and simple dishonesty.
Wait, one of his arguments is that death from chlorine exposure only happens that fast in World War I-level ordinances. As if 21st-century weapons would be less effective.
You have to love the thought that this guy thinks chlorine chemical weapons are similar to normal pool chlorine amounts.
I think he's saying that the ordiance that was found at this site is different from the chlorine that was used ww1 shelling attacks and could not have dispersed as much. This is a very reasonable possibility.
@@TheBetweenSkill well I think he also meant to say that u can’t leave a trench so ur stuck too and there’s nothing below a trench, any sway I’m not here to argue but I do has something
1:15:20 “You do realize Ian Henderson did concludeThere was a chemical weapons attack”
1:16:01Vaush “He said the evidence pointed in the direction”
1:17:49 Vaush “I believe what I said was that the report was principally On the method of canister delivery”
1:20:17 Vaush “I said very specifically thisDocument does not speak On the existence of a chemical weapons attack”
Here’s vaush lying or back peddling or proving he’s too uninformed and hyper opinionated to be of any authority on this topic.
Do what u want with it
@@TheBetweenSkill yep
Chlorine is an element in the periodic table. It forms diatomic molecules. Chlorine has been Chlorine since it was formed in this universe, so no that is not a reasonable possibility
*Facists making 2 hour long takes that have no substance or accuracy*
Normal person: “I’m leaving. It’s pointless to talk to you”
Conservatives: “Ha! You called me pointless which means you imply I’m uneducated! I’m clipping this! You’re weak!”
The fact that all the commenters here think Vaush was actually the victor in this debate is pure… yikes. I implore you all to seek alternative points of view. Don’t get your entire political education from a UA-camr that self-describes as an “Anarcho-Bidenist”. 🤦🏽♀️
If you could point to some points, I’d be interested in hearing them. I’d say Vaush did a lot better job at explaining how the chlorine concentration would’ve been damaging in the area of interest, which I felt Jackson struggled with.
@@stopmotionartist4987 (1) The fact that you're taking your points from someone who read wikipedia articles the night before should be of somewhat concern to you, hopefully.
(2) You're not an engineer, Vaush is not an engineer, Hinkel is not an engineer. Nor are they chemical weapons experts. The point of the debate was to understand how *experts* viewed and understood the evidence (and which of those expert views were censored, if any) not to tee up the debaters own laymen interpretations. (But Vaush never let the debate get there, because, well, he wasn't debating in good faith.)
@@carjaune6793 1) Wikipedia isn’t inherently bad, the problem is finding the sources it uses. Wikipedia has a feature where you can find the sources cited; So what sources should Vaush not have used? Also it’s okay to study the night before so long as you’re being accurate. What arguments did Vaush use that didn’t work? For example, he countered Hinkle’s “the roof had a hole” argument by stating that chlorine gas is heavier than air, so it wouldn’t go through the roof.
I also don’t think you need to be a certified expert to talk about something, I just care you know about it and have others point your shortcomings. There was a lot of appeal to authority from Jackson which I felt hindered the conversation more than helped it, because whether someone is an expert or not is independent of whether their logic/arguments are sound or not
Why does that surprise you? Vaushes audience are the most sycophantic sheep on youtube. They will always take his side no matter how retarded his arguments are.
I hate these people that only have 3 talking points. Don't think about anything else. Besides their 3 or 4 points and just hit repeat on all their points for any damn question. I'm getting a headache listening to this.
And these are the sort of people Kyle Kulinski thinks are worth defending.
Vaush should have this debate with Arron Mate
He wont because he would lose just like he did to Hinkley
@@Senasis469 lmao
@@Senasis469 Cope posting in the replies rather than making your own comment like every other simp for debate losers
@@Senasis469 are you into Jimmy dore, by chance?
@@Senasis469 Trenches. End of story. :P
I think i could beat Assad in a game of Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
Dude I loved that game as a kid
Now we're talking
No shot he’s literally the best player ever
😳
I'm down to watch, I heard he's pretty good.
Vaush actually addressed every point in concrete detail as opposed to the individual he was debating.
All Vaush wanted to do was speculate
@@sheepleboot-licker9824 Irony alert!
@@sheepleboot-licker9824 LMAO, his entire thing was "I'm just asking questions about what happened" and you say VAUSH was speculating?
I love it.
@@DATxRAGE Playing guessing games on how it happened doesn’t while ignoring evidence of OPCW tampered reports. This debate shows that Vaush will call anyone that doesn’t agree with him a Nazi
@@adrians9997 Hinkle was reading from the omitted OPCW report when all Vaush wanted to do was imagine how it happened
Thanks Vaush for everything. I was on the route to becoming a tankie and was already sold this conspiracy theory. U have pulled me out of that hole and i cant thank u enough. Im now beyond fuming that i bought into this crap. U should tackle george galloway, a tankie and assad defender, he was the one that got me into this vortex. Keep the good work up
Dude stop getting invested in this shit, if it really is bothering you so much LITERALLY just log off and go outside. I'm not saying this to be mean, I'm saying this sincerely. It's not good for your mental health to be so invested in something that has no consequence to you and which you have no knowledge of. If your reliant on people like Vaush to correct the record and get your information, then you need to take a step back and reevaluate how you consume media.
@@blancofishbac8770 sounds like you are giving a self report bro
Read Malatesta's Letter To Luigi Fabbri. It's a very good rebuke to tankies.
Lmaooooo you’re such a liberal fool
@@Tiera_H Hey, thanks for that. I was admittedly never into that conspiracy much tho. I knew a few points but never was into it like any conspiracy theorist, the “ points “ those tankies made just seemed to make sense with me at that time. I also thought the uighur genocide was false but medhi hasan had this great segment with a guest that poked many holes into that. Then, after rewatching the vaush and borger king debate it all made sense on how lost i was. Vaush is right that far right politics is full of ppl with mental illnesses. I suffer from quite of few of those myself, and therefore was a prime target to fall into this shit.
It didn't happen. And if it did, i'm not advocating for the guy who did it. And if he did it, it wasn't chlorine gas. And if it was, the room was ventilated. And if the gas sank, the windows were open and this made it ventilated.
They died too quickly for it to be chlorine gas. It was ventilated. Also, there wasn't any chlorine gas but if there was it was ventilated. and if it wasn't, why didn't they just run outside in the middle of an areal bombardment?
Like poetry
Haha yes after the fact logic becomes just that after the fact. To think that people should act perfectly logical and have all the information in seconds of what is happening is of course absurd. Most people in the world would avoid all kind of mistakes if they lived in an after the fact reality. It would be a superpower on par or even beyond Superman but I guess it feels real when one think about a situation with a lot more information and knowing about mistakes that lead to death that we why they not did the opposite. The answer is simple there is no go back and rewind and study all the mistakes afterwards.
I remember a while ago I started watching this and couldn’t finish because the response “just crack open a window 4head” to a chlorine gas attack was too much to handle, but I didn’t know how much worse it got.
TWO HOURS OF PAIN AND SUFFERING
Jackson: I don't think it's 100% certain that penguins are birds...
Vaush: So what about the beak, furcula, feathers, carina, other aspects of the skeleton, the brain anatomy. the molecular analyses?
Jackson: ... listen... experts say that penguins can't fly...
Vaush: Other experts agree that not all birds fly
Jackson: ... the draft report says that penguins can't fly...
Vaush: so does the draft report say that penguins aren't birds?
Jackson: ... the draft report says that penguins can't fly...
Vaush: So what about the beak, furcula, feathers, carina, other aspects of the skeleton, the brain anatomy. the molecular analyses?
Jackson: ... ha ha did you look that up on Wikipedia? ...the draft report says that penguins can't fly... I don't think we can be sure of anything...
etc. etc.
Spot on
Holocaust Deniers lost this debate. Holy shit I felt my brain melting while I was listening to Hinkle trying not to make any points.
Holocaust deniers didnt attend. And Vaush fans are sect of trotskists
would you equate someone who denied that weapons of mass destruction exist in iraq with a holocaust denier?
it sounds soo much like prerecorded answers, jesus, i could write a dialogue tree out of this vid
Alright so this debate was pretty hectic and confusing throughout but let me get this straight
- the cannisters were not full of chlorine gas, despite the corrosion and video evidence showing frost on them just after being deployed
- they were "manually placed", as if someone lugged in several 180lb empty cannisters and stuck them in holes in the building to look like they were dropped
- the video is fake, somehow, despite the same people in the footage later showing up dead (really dedicated crisis actors!)
- mouth foaming not real
- chlorine being heavier than air doesn't matter because people could just open a window and there was a hole on the roof
- one unpublished single person's paper on this is proper evidence
- this was all a ploy for the US to bomb some Syrian facilities, as if they needed to stage this to justify it
Yeah it was totally a staged attack Assad is a saint who would never stoop to committing war crimes against his own people! I mean they love him! He has a 95% approval rating!
all addressed by the inspectors
No Chlorine gas
no chlorine in the cannister
No damage to roof or cannister consistent with a CW attack from the sky
@@foroozaparvin5144 Really thought you had something there
@@foroozaparvin5144 All false, blatntly so
Not to mention the presence of chlorine gas reaction products in the area, with the highest concentration right next to the cylinder.
@@RationalMind yeah if there was no chlorine gas, why the reactions evidencing it.
What would even be IN the cannisters if not a chemical weapon? How did these people die if not from a chemical weapon?
The holes in the logic of people denying this are big enough to drive a transport truck through.