Dude was a blacksmith, joined the nights watch, almost died in harrenhal, banded together with the brotherhood for some time, almost got killed by his own uncle, apparently rowed for years to come, went north of the wall, usain bolted his way back, fought the army of the dead and survived, and then became a lord, imagine having all of those stories to tell to your children and grandchildren.
@@NangDoofer Because if you raise someone who is already in a high position in life, they will always be bitter for the little more they could climb. But if you raise someone from nothing, and give them everything, unless you are a terrible judge of character, they will defend you to the last.
"A lord of Storm's End who'll be forever loyal to you." I literally laughed aloud at that line. Fair enough, Dany and Tyrion don't have a clue about Gendry's past, but any smart fan knows that should things go sour in the future between the Starks and Targaryens, Arya would just have to say the word and Gendry would side with her without a second thought.
its not about that. its about the fact that the only thing making Gendry Baratheon and lord of Storms End is the queens word and her power and influence. the moment there is another ruler, lets say Bran, he can say it was a mistake he is a bastard and decide Storms End succesion differently. this makes GEndry invested in keeping Dany as queen.
I think that after Dany's death and Jon's exile, Gendry had the most claim to the Throne (far more than Bran) and he might have been a decent king with a strong council. Gendry wasn't stupid and he grew up poor, so it's not like he wouldn't know about the struggles of the smallfolk. As for nobility, that's where he'd have to rely on his council. I just think it would have been made more sense given his lineage and would fit in with the theme of the bastards and outcasts/underdogs of society (Jon, Brienne, Davos, Bronn, etc) rising up the ranks.
exactly!!! Especially since baratheon do also have Targaryen blood. Crazy how we had gendry dany and jon whom all are around the same age and with Targaryen blood. Given, gendry doesnt have that much but that's also why Robert said his grandmother had Targaryen blood, to support his claim to the throne. Plus his whole thing is being a black smith, working with fire everyday
Armies make you a King as Tyrion and Tywin conversation, yes by right of conquest yes Its Gendry who has the right of the crown, but for what happened, he can claim, but that's like a baseless and idiotic claim.
@@jam9064 Gendry got quite large amount of Valyrian blood through Lord Aerion Targaryen, he can claim blood from Orys Baratheon, from Boremund Baratheon, he can claim blood from Alyssa Velaryon, and from his great grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen, he can claim blood from King Aegon V. Robert and Rhaegar were second cousins 4 times (because of the incest)
I've always thought the show should've ended with Gendry as King, and Bran as his Hand. A throw back to how the chaos of "Game of Thrones" began, with a Baratheon on the iron throne, and a Stark as his hand. Gendry would've been fine for all the right reasons, and he has a strong claim. Robert won the throne through conquest, no different than Aegon.
@@BleedingGrafittiRobert's grandmother (and so Stannis and Renly by extension) was a Targaryen. That was the "official" claim to the throne, though in practice it was obviously just literally hammering his opposition into submission, assisted by Tywin to clean up other claimants to the throne.
@@masterexploder9668Tywin played the pragmatist that he was. Switched sides when he saw things going south. Couldn't look weak like his father, whim he hated for being so weak-kneed.
@@AgentoftheMartianConspiracy I don’t intend to sound like a book snob, but the maesters keep their lords in the know, so most of them should know who it belongs to. They could have made it more interesting by saying the Lannister took it while there were no Baratheons there.
To me this should have been the start of the best ending. When deciding on the new King after Dany's death they should have made Gendry king. With a Baratheon as King the show would have gone full circle and emphasised the futility of the whole situation. Bran as King was a horrible shocker of an ending. Starting with a Baratheon as king and going through all the entire journey of the show just to end up with a Baratheon on the throne would have been perfect to me.
Let’s just all be honest Bran SUCKED! He was a plot device more than a character, and an annoying one at that. I always found him to be really lame, and he was just as useless as Rickon. I honestly only liked one Stark and that was Robb. The other 4 are all terrible, Sansa and Arya battle for worst of the main characters in the show, and Bran was just lame AF…Rickon literally was forgotten about after he died. I think they had no idea what to do with him. I wish that Bran would’ve died at the same time as him. He took up precious screen time, just like the lame Dornish people particularly the “sand snakes”.
I got news for you, in the books Stannis the Mannis is going to end up as the one true king, as is his right. He's not doing it because he wants to, but because he has to. And in case you think I'm crazy at the end of book 5 he's still alive camped outside of the Stark's castle with his army.
Another criticism about Season 7/8 was that these moments didn’t feel as substantial as they did in the earlier season. Gaining lordship or Land felt like a huge plan to achieve. Little finger gaining Lord of the Vale, Ramsey becoming Lord of Winterfell, Joffrey becoming king, Danaeris becoming queen of Mareen and obtaining the Unsullied, Jon Snow becoming leader of the nights watch and so on. Then Dany came to Westeros and claimed land like it was nothing and her and Bran gave out favourite characters what they wanted like it was an episode of Oprah
If there's one disappointing thing, she didn't get to use her army and conquer them like her ancestors did 300 years prior. I don't get why Tyrion and others expected that Cersei and the other lords would just bow and repent as Dany arrive to Westeros.
The writing was different, but its also because there were no "breather" episodes. They used to have small and large episodes, but every episode in Season 7/8 was rushed and had huge implications. Nothing feels big if they're all big.
@@QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht Until he gets ambitious or his sons go that route. She can take away his title. But he was declared the lawful son of Robert Baratheon. He has a claim for everyone who isnt fine with Dany. Hell, he is a man. That would make conservatives happy who dont want a queen on that throne. He should have become Lord but not be legimated as a son of Robert. He should have founded his own new house to rule the Stormlands.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 Doesn't work. If Dany is Queen, then he's a Lord. If she's not the rightful Queen, then he's just a Bastard. Without her, he has no claim. If we follow the "Targaryen Rule" bloodline, Dany is queen. If we follow the "Baratheon Rule" line... then Gendry is just a bastard. And you can't go back further than Robert's father because it was Ormund and Rhaelle's marriage that gave Robert (and Renly and Stannis) a claim in the first place.
@@pauliewalnuts100 TV show vs Books difference. In the tv show its only Gendry, in the books there are multiple bastards of Robert that are alive. But anyways in the upcoming books will be yet another war for the throne between Stannis, Daenerys and fAegon. They will all fight eachother and pretty sure that Euron will join the fray and fight Daenerys, possibly taking 1 of her dragons. It's gonna be cool ^^
Obviously Gendry wouldn't try to claim the throne, we know him as a good guy, but his new name creates a potential cause for conspiring lords in the future. As Robert's heir, he has a claim legitimate enough to challenge whoever ended up on the throne. For example, his children might grow up to be ambitious or be surrounded by ambitious 'friends'. So in 15 year or more when Bran the Broken pisses of some lords, they can rally in Storm's End and the wheel continues to spin.
Robert was painted as an usurper by some houses even after winning the war and taking the throne. Jofferey technically never started his reign as Cersei was his regent and Tommen's, so the Baratheon reign ended with Robert. Daenerys is a continuation of the old line, and with the Baratheon brothers and Shireen dead in the show, no one is really going to back Gendry especially since Joff and Cersei ruined the name Baratheon. The Faith certainly would not back him and neither would the Arryns.
@@SantomPh this is just one perspective. Baratheon claim and rule doesn't need to be perfectly legitimate to become a cause for war. Same goes for any other claim, the whole system is messed up and 12 random people voting won't change it.
Only a king/queen van legitimize a bastard in Westeros so by taking the Baratheon name he's recognizing Dany as the rightful queen and renouncing all claims on the Iron Throne
Gendry wasn't an acknowledged bastard so he gets no surname. Only bastards acknowledged by their fathers are given the bastard surnames, like Jon who Ned publicly recognized as his, and Ramsay who Roose accepted as his bastard son.
What is great about this scene is that it creates so many possibilities, for example, Gendry is now a peer of Arya, who he clearly loves. Now House Stark and House Baratheon can be joined at last and a new line of noble heirs created, once Jaime marries Brieanne and declares himself Lord of Casterly Rock. The Lannister Army becomes his to command, and Circe will be abandoned by at least half her forces as she has no hereditary title to the Iron Throne or the Lannister army. This will avoid the holocaust of King's Landing, and Jon Targaryen with his Auntie can rule as dual monarchs. No doubt the logical, satisfying and happy ending to pay off 7 years of world building. Yup, can't wait to see it.
I mean after this scene Daenerys seems to be on a good path to be actually liked by the north and showed no resentfulness towards Rendry because of his father. Could have ended in a nice ending in which Daenerys could rule with Jon. Sansa ruling the north and making a good alliance with the crown. But no we have to make Sansa hating Daenerys since the bginning for no reason but that his father was an arse although he could see Tyrion as a good man despite his family. And Daenerys has to be completely on the mad queen path after this scene because reasons? Why did it have to end like this? Everything so out of character
@@missyrabbit5250 god you make it sound like getting married Is a bad thing, she is a lady cause she's a noble woman, and she could easily marry gendry out of love and continue doing he own thing it's not like gendry would try to stop her
Of course, it's Ser Davos that bails the kid out. He knows exactly what it's like to be some base-born peasant hoisted up way beyond his usual station with no warning or training.
this is actually why i think this scene is good, but the whole nobody knowing about storms ends state when its one of the 10 most important castles in the continent is fucking terrible writing
Night King destroyed, Stark-girls safe, and the Realm was starting to reform and rebuilt.. ....but he still would have that chicken! (Dany was a talker... listening to talkers made him thirsty.... and hungry! I think he''s having two chickens! Perhaps good that Dany stopped talking... or he would have had to eat every fucking chicken in the room! :P)
1:39 I love the fact Dany legitimized Gendry like it was a double hit of “I Won’t Charge the Son with the Crimes of his Father” as well as gain Favor in the StormLands by putting the Last Living Baratheon back on the Seat of Storms End
@@hyro3292 yea but he took the throne and was king so now gendey is the legitimate heir, and he is a men which in the feudal world of got is far preferred to a women in the line of succession
@@michaelkeaton5394 indeed ^^ Aegon conquered by force too, why cant others do it. I always found daenarys a bit of an entitled karen, i would have preferred all the dragons to die at the end and for her to be alive to see who actually follows her in westeros, outside of the balless dudes
She called him Robert's son and not bastard. Shows her character. Only for it to be massacred a few hours later by D&D. Ser Davos, as usual rising to the occasion. The Lord of firefighting and wise counsel.
to everyone saying that Gendry now has a claim to the throne, remember that by usurping her he would have to claim she was illegitimate, which would mean everything she did was illegitimate including legitimising him. That and betraying her would also send a signal to others that Gendry can't be trusted as not only would he have to swear an oath to serve her but backstabbing the queen who raised you to such a position shows that you are very untrustworthy. if Gendry tried to declare himself king he would become an illegitemate untrustable oathbreaker. would you fight hard for someone who backstabs people who helps him? its doubtful he would gather any support.
Yeah but after Daenerys died and Jon went back to the Wall Gendry would have had the greatest, and only, claim to the Iron Throne. Or at least more of a claim than the fucking Three Eyed Raven, who inhabits Bran. Plus it would have been really ironically funny and awesome if Gendry took the throne, cause it was a Stag who truly held the throne at the beginning of the show, and it would have been the last Stag, the last living son of the first Stag king as well, who took the throne at the end of the show. You can even go into more irony that if Arya had agreed to marry him, then that would have joined Houses Baratheon and Stark together, just like how Robert wanted to do for so long. It would have created a decent alliance between the North and the South for a couple generations to ensure good faith and prosperity between both families as well.
Actually he does have a legitimate claim to the throne. Robert Baratheon's grandmother was Princess Rhaelle Targaryen, therefore after Jon (whose identity was unknown), Viserys and Dany (who were banished to Essos), Robert was next in line to the throne. Therefore Daenerys has (unwittingly) declared Gendry to be her heir (assuming Jon "doesn't want it") by legitimising him.
He does not need to claim she is illegitimate to take the throne. Anyone with a claim has the right to rule regardless who currently rules. Her being illegitimate would only be useful to lower the support she has. That also is not important since him being male would gather him more support than she could ever hope for.
The way no one answered when Dany asked who controls Storm's End is really indicative of D&D's writing... No thought put into literally anything. Stannis' bannermen still hold Storm's End and Dragonstone in his name. Nobody just leaves a fortication like that abandoned without a garrison.
tbh i read the scene as everybody being nervous and, not knowing where she was going with the question, nobody wanting to say anything that might help contribute to Gendry's possible demise. even Jaime looked incredibly worried about what might happen.
Stannis is dead, Daenerys considered him and his brothers traitors, and bannermen don't inherit a lord's holdings. Not even the castellan would inherit them. It is up to the monarch, the next rank up from lordship, to decide who holds that castle. You're the one not putting thought into anything.
@@ashleyl3699 nah, its the fact that DND just never cared about world building. Entire houses get wiped out because DND decided virtually every secondary house has only one heir. They originally never intended to include Dorne and only did because they were fans of Indira Varma from Rome and wanted to expand her role when she agreed to play Ellaria. Everything is an after thought, No one knows who rules Storm's End, Dorne, the Vale, the Westerlands or Highgarden, because the world does not matter, all that matters is getting to the end of the story and making people cheer at bars when Gendry gets to become a lord.
And by making Gendry the legitimate son of Robert Baratheon and lord Storm's End, Daenerys has single handedly made yet another threat who has yet a better claim to the throne than she does.
Being the bastard son of a man who won the the throne by force and was still considered a usurper by many despite how evil Aerys had become doesn't exactly give him a "claim" to all of Westeros. Not to mention rebelling against the queen who legitimized you, despite your father forcing her exile and attempting to assassinate her multiple times, is gonna do a lot to ensure someone can stab you in the back with few consequences, even if you did somehow manage to win the war on your own against her and her dragons
“ the Targaryen’s wasn’t king because they had the right they had no right they did it cause they could and because they had dragons” -Jorah Claims mean shit when you got dragons even if it did the people with better “claim” would want a ally with the one that has a dragon
"so anyway fuck whoever was actually in charge of the Stormlands and their potential claim, i'm installing you and you can be a puppet, but you're under no obligation to be a puppet" BEST PLAN EVER
Even thought this series had its flaws (many many flaws), the minor details are still great. The Hound sat eating his feast whilst everyone else is silent wondering what else is going on just adds to his character, as someone who has had to sit through many a drama with the Baratheons, the Lanisters and now this it is clear he doesn't have time nor care for the words of kings or queens
One thing everyone should take note of is that in the histories, House Baratheon started with a bastard of the Targaryens called Orys Baratheon. This scene actually pays homage to that shared past between Targaryens and Baratheons.
I assumed Gendry was going to become king at the end. Would probably have been a better ending, especially if they wanted to 'subvert expectations' and kill Daenerys and exile Jon
Indeed, how tf everyone agreed to have 2 starks heading both the northern kingdom and everything else is weird af. I mean after all the politics we saw in 6 seasons
As Loras was known as The Knight of the Flowers, Olenna Queen of Thorns, and Daenerys is Mother of Dragons. Gendry should b The Smith of Lightning, Smith for his blacksmithing skills and thunder is the roaring sound of the sky but Lightning would b when it strikes down like his war hammer.
Alternative Universe: "To Lord Gendry Baratheon.... First of his name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of The Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm." Gendry looks around and then to Danny. "Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of the Mad King, I sentence you to die for treason and for invading and attempting to overthrow the rightful King of Westeros." Every person in the room draws out their sword and captures Danny.
The whole affair of Gendry being legitimized by Dany and then him telling Arya about is undoubtedly the stupidest thing about Season 8, and that's saying a lot. - Gendry claims that he is "no longer Gendry Rivers". How the hell can he be named 'Rivers'? He grew up in King's Landing and was the bastard of a Lord from the Stormlands. He has literally no connection whatsoever to the Riverlands. - Gendry couldn't possibly have a bastard surname anyway because he was never officially recognized by Robert Baratheon, in a way that Edric Storm was. - Dany legitimizing Gendry is her literally reviving the former royal house and creating a new potential enemy in her aspirations for the crown with no advantages for her as Gendry has no army nor anything else that could further her own aspirations for the crown.. - Gendry would never be accepted as Lord of Storm's End because he's a bastard that was legitimized by a foreign invader. There is no evidence that he's actually related to the Baratheons. He'd be thrown out of Storm's End by the leading houses of that realmn the same way Bronn would be ejected from Highgarden by the Hightowers the moment he tried to enter.
I would also add that Gendry is dangerous for her because he is a male and a skilled warrior. Two things that will give him a lot a recognition from the other lords
They really toned down the Baratheon lineage to house Targaryen in this show. In the books Rhaegar refers to Robert as his cousin. The Baratheon siblings have a whole ass Targaryen grandmother
@@miguelmahecha88 yup, exactly...Robert and his brothers are a fourth Targaryen...their father's mother was a Targaryen And Rhaegar calls Robert "cousin" when talking to a young Jaime before he went to Summerhall. Their Targaryen blood ironically enough helped his claim to the throne
@@hez859 Its emphasized on the Bonus features of the shows Blu rays where characters narrate Westeros history. Robert says it best why I think the show doesnt emphasize it: “I took the throne. Me!”.
This is what made GOT great , build a great character and watch them grow. Gendry was a great character , I’d really like to see what kind of lord he became.
I love how the show shows a Baratheon being friendly with the Stark family And ended with a Baratheon fucking a Stark so bad the stark left to explore the west 🤣
Gendry as Lord Baratheon would have not only been a good match for Arya but would have united the houses, meaning there would be no way Stormsend could turn on house Targaryen. And in the case Dany and Jon had no children, Arya and Gendry’s kids would have like double claim to the throne. Securing the rein of Dany’s line
You just legitimized your greatest potential rival. He's the son of the last undisputed monarch, and Robert was loved by almost everyone, despite the laziness. This was a boneheaded move.
I... actually found this to be a smart move. The only spot on this plan is Gendry's affiliation to the Starks (Arya), but technically, Gendry would be bound to Daenerys because he owes her his title and lands. This may very well be the last "smart-ish" thing Dany did...
@@HaragothNAR the appointment isn't because she thinks he'll do a good job. Lots of things were stupid, this wasn't one of them. She's trying to get a pawn in place
If you thought this was a smart move you are only examining it through the lens of the show. In the reality of the GOT universe this was the dumbest possible move that could have been made. Dany just legitimized the previous kings firstborn son. Truly, outstandingly stupid move to create the strongest possible rival claimant to the throne in one move.
@@trevorb1898 i really don't think it matters if you've got dragons and anyone backing Gendrys claim doesn't. That matters far more than him being legitimised or not, if someone wanted to install him they could just lie and people would believe it if they want. This just makes him loyal to her regime, and he's honestly very unlikely to ever have enough support to challenge it anyway.
personally I wished they had made it that Gendry was the legitimate son of Robert and Cersei. If you recall back in season 1, Cersei mentions that her and Roberts 1st son died, and when Gendry first meets Ned he recalls his mother having yellow hair. Would have been cool if they worked it into the story that Cersei faked Gendry's death so that Joffrey could be king instead.
I honestly still believe that it could be true, it's possible that she either faked his death or the people she tasked with killing him decided to keep him alive and use him as a chess piece later. After seeing how petty and manipulative Cersei is, I can see her do something like that. I doubt he remembered anything from when he was a baby. He could have been told a story by the people who took him in about her death and her having yellow hair. Unless he was a toddler when that happened, then they just lied to him about her death. I can see why Cersei ordered the bastards death if it was found out that the tried to get rid of Gendry her only legitimate kid and people saw what he looked like, her and her other kids would be in trouble. Some "assassins" were specifically looking for Gendry which confirms it for me in the show.
That title means nothing, Daenerys didnt have Queen powers at that time and she dies days after. Imagine Gendry claiming his castle saying he is the new lord by Daenerys Queen word and the Baratheons just laughing at him
The people who ended up deciding who was next on the throne, most of them witnessed Gendry's ascension. He was one of the participants in the election of Bran the Broken. No one significant disputes his claim to Storm's End.
I get the feeling the the last two books ever get released, that this scene will feel so much more epic if events play out similarly with Gendry being elevated to Lord.
Haven't read the books in a while, but if I remember rightly an ark for Gendry and Arya is that he thinks she is above him, while she wants nothing to do with her privilege. Given his lack of education, he would make a terrible lord (just like his father), and would have learnt nothing from Arya who can see how much of a cage it all is. If he gets the option in the books I hope he finds a better alternative.
This scene is never going to happen in the books like this, it has no sense. There are many lords in. Westeros waiting to had a castle, it's not so simple as someone that nobody knows arrives in one part of Westeros and declares someone that nobody knows the new lord of a castle and the other lord's will accept it in an easy way🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
I love how you can hear one of the extras make a joke about how easy that was. I felt like this had no weight to it and was just another rushed fan wish-fufilment that they just slapped on at the end.
Love that she legitimized the last major threat to her reign, that made sense to do and the writing was superb. Legitimizing the last remaining heir of the last legitimate king was Smart and Made Sense
She didn't have to acknowledge Robert as a legitimate king in order to legitimize his son because Robert was still the heir to Storm's End even without his crown. And Gendry still was in line for the throne. The Baratheons were the closest relatives to Aegon's line and had intermarried into it several times.
Was this edited? I recall her calling him Gendry Rivers (which is a mistake), but I couldn't hear it here. Was it removed along with the Starbucks cup?
I think he might’ve actually called himself a Rivers at some point. Really weird tho because he would be a Waters, not a Rivers, as he was born in the Crownlands, not the Riverlands. Guess either Gendry is a complete dipshit or D&D kinda forgot what regions bastards get what names
I really thought by legitimizing him and making him a lord and his relationship to Arya they were gonna make him King and that they would subvert expectations and make Arya " a lady" this would have solved so many problems in the end but they make Bran king out of nowhere Tyrion being like "WhO hAs A bEtTeR sToRy ThEn BrAn..." like Gendry a true rags to riches story from Flee Bottom to the Iron Throne and he went beyond the wall with Jon and ran through wright infested territory back to the wall in like 2 hours and the other stuff in season 2 like WTF
Gendry was on his way to the bathroom at the beginning of the clip, that's why he doesn't seem to thrilled about being stopped for a chat and a lordship.
I kinda wish they had paid this off a bit more by having some Stormlander soldiers as part of Daenerys' army at the end. Wouldn't have been that hard to put a few extras in Baratheon armor from Season 2.
Every face in that room anticipated that she'd end the Baratheon bloodline there and everybody was relieved when she made him Lord of Storms End instead, yet we still have to pretend we didn't saw Dany going mad coming and "it doesn't fit the character"? :D
Destruction during the war is one thing. Burning the Red Keep to ashes is within character but the systemic slaughter specifically targeting innocent men, women and children after the battle was won? when she didn’t have to? yes, that’s out of character. why would daenerys go out of the way to kill the civilians instead of just flying to the red keep to punish Cersei who killed her dragon and beheaded her best friend like two minutes ago? She started nuking KL literally giving Cersei a heads up letting her know that she doesn’t give a shit about the common folk. Cersei would take that hint and knowing she is lost, she would haul her ass out of there.
If by the ending you mean the last 2 seasons then I agree. It’s a shame because it was truly a masterpiece up until that point. The thought process behind what made all the characters so great just vanished and the character dialogue and the dialogue stunk. Anyways… the books could be the saviour for got.
Legitimizing the son of the last undisputed king. If this show had any brains left you would think this would be a bad idea with some sort of backfiring consequence. But it isn’t, so there wasn’t.
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Dude was a blacksmith, joined the nights watch, almost died in harrenhal, banded together with the brotherhood for some time, almost got killed by his own uncle, apparently rowed for years to come, went north of the wall, usain bolted his way back, fought the army of the dead and survived, and then became a lord, imagine having all of those stories to tell to your children and grandchildren.
Yeah, but BRanDoN StArk Has A BeTter StORY Than ANYboDY ElSE.
Nooooo grandad, tell us again about the time you boffed Arya!
"Usain Bolted his way back" 🤣🤣🤣
he didn't really join the nights watch
hell yeah! he could write a book. lets hope they make a TV series out of this one
Davos always disrupting tense situations and making them less awkward, by far my favorite tv show character in the series.
idk about disrupting more like saved the day instead of it being awkward.
So underrated
He was a hard driving salesman for Stannis. Thankfully, he toned that down after Stannis was gone.
loved the character
That's why I always carry a flagon with me at all times. Any awkward situation, I just start a Viking toast and it fixes everything.
I wish that they had played the Baratheon theme when she said " You are Lord Gendry Baratheon of Storms End, the lawful son of Robert Baratheon"
I believe they did in the show.
Isn't this stupid? Why would anyone legitimise a bastard who would have a claim to your throne? lol
@@NangDoofer Most likely because she knew Gendry would be loyal to her.
@@NangDoofer Because if you raise someone who is already in a high position in life, they will always be bitter for the little more they could climb. But if you raise someone from nothing, and give them everything, unless you are a terrible judge of character, they will defend you to the last.
ua-cam.com/video/_qa38Nu27f0/v-deo.html Lucky for you someone edit it in
I love how Hound just doesn't care, eat and drink. And Davos looks like father figure to every youngster.
He was enjoying his chicken as he deserved :D
maybe because he lose his son
"A lord of Storm's End who'll be forever loyal to you."
I literally laughed aloud at that line. Fair enough, Dany and Tyrion don't have a clue about Gendry's past, but any smart fan knows that should things go sour in the future between the Starks and Targaryens, Arya would just have to say the word and Gendry would side with her without a second thought.
Well Arya said no to his proposal.
@@jurassicpark1fan920 After they banged. It's all good.
@@jurassicpark1fan920 Doesn't matter, he's gonna pine for her like Robert for Lyanna. It's a Baratheon tradition.
He didn't seem to even want the job 🤣
its not about that.
its about the fact that the only thing making Gendry Baratheon and lord of Storms End is the queens word and her power and influence. the moment there is another ruler, lets say Bran, he can say it was a mistake he is a bastard and decide Storms End succesion differently. this makes GEndry invested in keeping Dany as queen.
I think that after Dany's death and Jon's exile, Gendry had the most claim to the Throne (far more than Bran) and he might have been a decent king with a strong council. Gendry wasn't stupid and he grew up poor, so it's not like he wouldn't know about the struggles of the smallfolk. As for nobility, that's where he'd have to rely on his council. I just think it would have been made more sense given his lineage and would fit in with the theme of the bastards and outcasts/underdogs of society (Jon, Brienne, Davos, Bronn, etc) rising up the ranks.
exactly!!! Especially since baratheon do also have Targaryen blood. Crazy how we had gendry dany and jon whom all are around the same age and with Targaryen blood. Given, gendry doesnt have that much but that's also why Robert said his grandmother had Targaryen blood, to support his claim to the throne. Plus his whole thing is being a black smith, working with fire everyday
Armies make you a King as Tyrion and Tywin conversation, yes by right of conquest yes Its Gendry who has the right of the crown, but for what happened, he can claim, but that's like a baseless and idiotic claim.
If Arya had been willing to marry him there would have been no contesting the fact that they, as a couple, would have had the best chance.
@@jam9064 Gendry got quite large amount of Valyrian blood through Lord Aerion Targaryen, he can claim blood from Orys Baratheon, from Boremund Baratheon, he can claim blood from Alyssa Velaryon, and from his great grandmother Rhaelle Targaryen, he can claim blood from King Aegon V. Robert and Rhaegar were second cousins 4 times (because of the incest)
I've always thought the show should've ended with Gendry as King, and Bran as his Hand. A throw back to how the chaos of "Game of Thrones" began, with a Baratheon on the iron throne, and a Stark as his hand.
Gendry would've been fine for all the right reasons, and he has a strong claim. Robert won the throne through conquest, no different than Aegon.
It's quite fitting really seeing as house Baratheon was founded by a Bastard who was legitimised by a conquering Targaryen.
They say Orys Baratheon was actually Aegon I's brother, too.
@@urthboundmisfit If that's true then the Baratheon line has a lot more dragon blood than I originally thought...
@@BleedingGrafittiRobert's grandmother (and so Stannis and Renly by extension) was a Targaryen. That was the "official" claim to the throne, though in practice it was obviously just literally hammering his opposition into submission, assisted by Tywin to clean up other claimants to the throne.
@@masterexploder9668Tywin played the pragmatist that he was. Switched sides when he saw things going south. Couldn't look weak like his father, whim he hated for being so weak-kneed.
@@urthboundmisfit he is
I love the way Jon smiles at 1:43- Truly happy for a brother at arms and his good fortune. Kit always played the character perfectly.
Its just regular acting. Calm down
he's extra happy because of sheer relief, you could see on his face earlier he thought Gendry might be about to die.
A brother in more ways that one 😂
I mean it helps Gendry was a bastard like Jon supposedly was; he can empathize with how he must feel and the joy.
happy for his fellow bastard to be made legitimate
A bunch of lords in one room and they have no idea who holds Storm’s End. They would have to go take the castle from whoever held it too.
well you see -- they kind of forgot about Storm's End until this moment
Keep in mind, it's also a room full of Northerners and Wildlings.
@@AgentoftheMartianConspiracy I don’t intend to sound like a book snob, but the maesters keep their lords in the know, so most of them should know who it belongs to. They could have made it more interesting by saying the Lannister took it while there were no Baratheons there.
@@TheMrprobadass It'd be hilarious if ol' Uncle Gerion was found there with the remains of his crew, just drinking it up, waiting out the war.
@@geoffrose9647 you could D&D’s job from them.
To me this should have been the start of the best ending. When deciding on the new King after Dany's death they should have made Gendry king. With a Baratheon as King the show would have gone full circle and emphasised the futility of the whole situation. Bran as King was a horrible shocker of an ending. Starting with a Baratheon as king and going through all the entire journey of the show just to end up with a Baratheon on the throne would have been perfect to me.
Let’s just all be honest Bran SUCKED! He was a plot device more than a character, and an annoying one at that. I always found him to be really lame, and he was just as useless as Rickon. I honestly only liked one Stark and that was Robb. The other 4 are all terrible, Sansa and Arya battle for worst of the main characters in the show, and Bran was just lame AF…Rickon literally was forgotten about after he died. I think they had no idea what to do with him. I wish that Bran would’ve died at the same time as him. He took up precious screen time, just like the lame Dornish people particularly the “sand snakes”.
Gendry or Jon
Or Jon. The best king is somebody that doesn’t want to be. They won’t make decisions based on ego or greed, and will care more about the people.
I got news for you, in the books Stannis the Mannis is going to end up as the one true king, as is his right. He's not doing it because he wants to, but because he has to. And in case you think I'm crazy at the end of book 5 he's still alive camped outside of the Stark's castle with his army.
@@crimsonknight7011 depends. Power attracts the worst, and corrupts the best.
Another criticism about Season 7/8 was that these moments didn’t feel as substantial as they did in the earlier season. Gaining lordship or Land felt like a huge plan to achieve. Little finger gaining Lord of the Vale, Ramsey becoming Lord of Winterfell, Joffrey becoming king, Danaeris becoming queen of Mareen and obtaining the Unsullied, Jon Snow becoming leader of the nights watch and so on.
Then Dany came to Westeros and claimed land like it was nothing and her and Bran gave out favourite characters what they wanted like it was an episode of Oprah
YOU get a castle! YOU get a castle! And you, and you and you.... EVERYONE gets a castle!
If there's one disappointing thing, she didn't get to use her army and conquer them like her ancestors did 300 years prior. I don't get why Tyrion and others expected that Cersei and the other lords would just bow and repent as Dany arrive to Westeros.
The writing was different, but its also because there were no "breather" episodes. They used to have small and large episodes, but every episode in Season 7/8 was rushed and had huge implications. Nothing feels big if they're all big.
By the way Bran we promised a position to Bronn if he didnt kill us. So just make him Master of coin and Lord of the Highgarden. Ok ? Ok.
Bronn got Highgarden…
Great, she just created a legitimate rival for the throne.
Maybe on paper, but Gendry didn't want the throne.
@@GP.Records He is 20something. Not reliable to forever not care about that possibility. Tyrion should be smarter than that.
Nope because he's bound to Daenerys service now. He now owes his titles from Daenerys
@@QWERTYUIOP-wu6ht Until he gets ambitious or his sons go that route. She can take away his title. But he was declared the lawful son of Robert Baratheon. He has a claim for everyone who isnt fine with Dany. Hell, he is a man. That would make conservatives happy who dont want a queen on that throne. He should have become Lord but not be legimated as a son of Robert. He should have founded his own new house to rule the Stormlands.
@@michaeldiekmann6494 Doesn't work. If Dany is Queen, then he's a Lord. If she's not the rightful Queen, then he's just a Bastard. Without her, he has no claim. If we follow the "Targaryen Rule" bloodline, Dany is queen. If we follow the "Baratheon Rule" line... then Gendry is just a bastard. And you can't go back further than Robert's father because it was Ormund and Rhaelle's marriage that gave Robert (and Renly and Stannis) a claim in the first place.
The hound's reaction was all of us watching season 8
Fun fact Gendry is the only known living person besides Jon Snow at the end of season 8 to have Targaryen blood.
Robert had other bastards throughout Westeros.
@@pauliewalnuts100 his wife flushed them all out
@@Solo-Skywalker No she didn't. Only the King's Landing bastards.
Yeah, but Westeros's most trusted paternity tester, aka Ned Stark was dead, so there was no way of determining them.
@@pauliewalnuts100 TV show vs Books difference. In the tv show its only Gendry, in the books there are multiple bastards of Robert that are alive.
But anyways in the upcoming books will be yet another war for the throne between Stannis, Daenerys and fAegon. They will all fight eachother and pretty sure that Euron will join the fray and fight Daenerys, possibly taking 1 of her dragons. It's gonna be cool ^^
Obviously Gendry wouldn't try to claim the throne, we know him as a good guy, but his new name creates a potential cause for conspiring lords in the future. As Robert's heir, he has a claim legitimate enough to challenge whoever ended up on the throne. For example, his children might grow up to be ambitious or be surrounded by ambitious 'friends'. So in 15 year or more when Bran the Broken pisses of some lords, they can rally in Storm's End and the wheel continues to spin.
This exact thought came in my mind at the very first moment. I wish dumb dumber could think this through.
Robert was painted as an usurper by some houses even after winning the war and taking the throne. Jofferey technically never started his reign as Cersei was his regent and Tommen's, so the Baratheon reign ended with Robert. Daenerys is a continuation of the old line, and with the Baratheon brothers and Shireen dead in the show, no one is really going to back Gendry especially since Joff and Cersei ruined the name Baratheon. The Faith certainly would not back him and neither would the Arryns.
@@SantomPh this is just one perspective. Baratheon claim and rule doesn't need to be perfectly legitimate to become a cause for war. Same goes for any other claim, the whole system is messed up and 12 random people voting won't change it.
Only a king/queen van legitimize a bastard in Westeros so by taking the Baratheon name he's recognizing Dany as the rightful queen and renouncing all claims on the Iron Throne
Okay bot
Jon sees gendry receive the thing he always wanted and he’s not jealous, he’s happy for him.
Top lad!
...and Bob's his uncle...!
Dumb and Dumber kinda forgot that Gendry never had a surname, and if he had one, he would be Gendry Waters, not Gendry R... -.-
Gendry admitted he didn't know how to use a fork so maybe he didn't know his own bastard name.
Dumb & Dumber and Gendry belong together.
Gendry Storm
@@artygunnargendrys surname would be waters cuz he grew up in the crown lands/kings landing
Gendry wasn't an acknowledged bastard so he gets no surname. Only bastards acknowledged by their fathers are given the bastard surnames, like Jon who Ned publicly recognized as his, and Ramsay who Roose accepted as his bastard son.
What is great about this scene is that it creates so many possibilities, for example, Gendry is now a peer of Arya, who he clearly loves. Now House Stark and House Baratheon can be joined at last and a new line of noble heirs created, once Jaime marries Brieanne and declares himself Lord of Casterly Rock. The Lannister Army becomes his to command, and Circe will be abandoned by at least half her forces as she has no hereditary title to the Iron Throne or the Lannister army. This will avoid the holocaust of King's Landing, and Jon Targaryen with his Auntie can rule as dual monarchs. No doubt the logical, satisfying and happy ending to pay off 7 years of world building. Yup, can't wait to see it.
You know the dual monarchy was what I thought as well. A step towards equality that would end in a republic where people choose but oh well
Oh my sweet sweet Prince
except Arya will not marry Gendry. She is not a lady, never was. She has her own path
I mean after this scene Daenerys seems to be on a good path to be actually liked by the north and showed no resentfulness towards Rendry because of his father. Could have ended in a nice ending in which Daenerys could rule with Jon. Sansa ruling the north and making a good alliance with the crown. But no we have to make Sansa hating Daenerys since the bginning for no reason but that his father was an arse although he could see Tyrion as a good man despite his family. And Daenerys has to be completely on the mad queen path after this scene because reasons? Why did it have to end like this? Everything so out of character
@@missyrabbit5250 god you make it sound like getting married Is a bad thing, she is a lady cause she's a noble woman, and she could easily marry gendry out of love and continue doing he own thing it's not like gendry would try to stop her
I don’t care about her reasoning, I just felt joy for Gendry. Still, it was a brilliant move by her that cost her nothing.
Of course, it's Ser Davos that bails the kid out. He knows exactly what it's like to be some base-born peasant hoisted up way beyond his usual station with no warning or training.
The fact that Jamie despised Robert yet still raised a drink to his bastard son
Robert before becoming king was a powerful force to be reckoned with.. with his armor and war hammer
I like the parallel here to how Aegon the Conquerer was believed to have legitimized his bastard half brother Orys, thus founding House Baratheon.
this is actually why i think this scene is good, but the whole nobody knowing about storms ends state when its one of the 10 most important castles in the continent is fucking terrible writing
I love how the Hound just shakes his head and eats his chicken.
Night King destroyed, Stark-girls safe, and the Realm was starting to reform and rebuilt..
....but he still would have that chicken!
(Dany was a talker... listening to talkers made him thirsty.... and hungry! I think he''s having two chickens! Perhaps good that Dany stopped talking... or he would have had to eat every fucking chicken in the room! :P)
1:39 I love the fact Dany legitimized Gendry like it was a double hit of “I Won’t Charge the Son with the Crimes of his Father” as well as gain Favor in the StormLands by putting the Last Living Baratheon back on the Seat of Storms End
"the lawfull son of robert baratheon"
that would also make him the rightfull heir to the iron throne...
Lol
Not from Targaryen's point of view. Baratheon reign was just a rebellion.
@@hyro3292 yea but he took the throne and was king so now gendey is the legitimate heir, and he is a men which in the feudal world of got is far preferred to a women in the line of succession
@@michaelkeaton5394 indeed ^^ Aegon conquered by force too, why cant others do it. I always found daenarys a bit of an entitled karen, i would have preferred all the dragons to die at the end and for her to be alive to see who actually follows her in westeros, outside of the balless dudes
Jon Snow : Again ??
She called him Robert's son and not bastard. Shows her character. Only for it to be massacred a few hours later by D&D. Ser Davos, as usual rising to the occasion. The Lord of firefighting and wise counsel.
to everyone saying that Gendry now has a claim to the throne, remember that by usurping her he would have to claim she was illegitimate, which would mean everything she did was illegitimate including legitimising him. That and betraying her would also send a signal to others that Gendry can't be trusted as not only would he have to swear an oath to serve her but backstabbing the queen who raised you to such a position shows that you are very untrustworthy. if Gendry tried to declare himself king he would become an illegitemate untrustable oathbreaker. would you fight hard for someone who backstabs people who helps him? its doubtful he would gather any support.
Yeah but after Daenerys died and Jon went back to the Wall Gendry would have had the greatest, and only, claim to the Iron Throne. Or at least more of a claim than the fucking Three Eyed Raven, who inhabits Bran. Plus it would have been really ironically funny and awesome if Gendry took the throne, cause it was a Stag who truly held the throne at the beginning of the show, and it would have been the last Stag, the last living son of the first Stag king as well, who took the throne at the end of the show. You can even go into more irony that if Arya had agreed to marry him, then that would have joined Houses Baratheon and Stark together, just like how Robert wanted to do for so long. It would have created a decent alliance between the North and the South for a couple generations to ensure good faith and prosperity between both families as well.
Actually he does have a legitimate claim to the throne. Robert Baratheon's grandmother was Princess Rhaelle Targaryen, therefore after Jon (whose identity was unknown), Viserys and Dany (who were banished to Essos), Robert was next in line to the throne. Therefore Daenerys has (unwittingly) declared Gendry to be her heir (assuming Jon "doesn't want it") by legitimising him.
Lmao shut up
He does not need to claim she is illegitimate to take the throne. Anyone with a claim has the right to rule regardless who currently rules.
Her being illegitimate would only be useful to lower the support she has.
That also is not important since him being male would gather him more support than she could ever hope for.
That's a good point!
Dany is like a parent that whoops you for misbehaving, but then tells you when the food is ready afterward
Lol his face was like "Ok, now I know WHY they call Tagareyens crazy!" :D
I would like to think after the end of season 8, Davos went to Storms End to help Gendry with his new title
My parents always taught me to just smile and say thank you if someone offers me a gift. Never to just stand there and stare.
Gendry never really knew his parents, so too bad for him, huh?
Gendry was just chilling having a few drinks with the lads and decided to go for a piss. By the time he sat back in his seat he was a lord
Loved this….good for Gendry. He deserved it.
The way no one answered when Dany asked who controls Storm's End is really indicative of D&D's writing... No thought put into literally anything. Stannis' bannermen still hold Storm's End and Dragonstone in his name. Nobody just leaves a fortication like that abandoned without a garrison.
tbh i read the scene as everybody being nervous and, not knowing where she was going with the question, nobody wanting to say anything that might help contribute to Gendry's possible demise. even Jaime looked incredibly worried about what might happen.
Stannis is dead, Daenerys considered him and his brothers traitors, and bannermen don't inherit a lord's holdings. Not even the castellan would inherit them. It is up to the monarch, the next rank up from lordship, to decide who holds that castle. You're the one not putting thought into anything.
Yeah but with stannis dead, Daenerys is one of his closest relatives on his dad’s side not to mention they could easily take it with dragons
Even so storms end has no lord……
@@ashleyl3699 nah, its the fact that DND just never cared about world building. Entire houses get wiped out because DND decided virtually every secondary house has only one heir. They originally never intended to include Dorne and only did because they were fans of Indira Varma from Rome and wanted to expand her role when she agreed to play Ellaria. Everything is an after thought, No one knows who rules Storm's End, Dorne, the Vale, the Westerlands or Highgarden, because the world does not matter, all that matters is getting to the end of the story and making people cheer at bars when Gendry gets to become a lord.
The Hound just kept on eating. Very loud too.😂😂😂😂
“But I’m just a bastard.”
“Not anymore, you’re the Lord Baratheon.”
“…Cool!”
😆
A monarch has the legal authority to legitimize a bastard, and after that they're considered trueborn.
And by making Gendry the legitimate son of Robert Baratheon and lord Storm's End, Daenerys has single handedly made yet another threat who has yet a better claim to the throne than she does.
If he says Daenerys isn't the rightful queen, then he admits his title is also illegitimate since she didn't have the power to grant it
Being the bastard son of a man who won the the throne by force and was still considered a usurper by many despite how evil Aerys had become doesn't exactly give him a "claim" to all of Westeros. Not to mention rebelling against the queen who legitimized you, despite your father forcing her exile and attempting to assassinate her multiple times, is gonna do a lot to ensure someone can stab you in the back with few consequences, even if you did somehow manage to win the war on your own against her and her dragons
“ the Targaryen’s wasn’t king because they had the right they had no right they did it cause they could and because they had dragons” -Jorah
Claims mean shit when you got dragons even if it did the people with better “claim” would want a ally with the one that has a dragon
And who is going to back up Gendry's claim for Iron Throne considering the Baratheon Army have been severly depleted at this point?
She had Dragons, Robert rebellion would never had happened if Targaryens still had Dragons...
"so anyway fuck whoever was actually in charge of the Stormlands and their potential claim, i'm installing you and you can be a puppet, but you're under no obligation to be a puppet"
BEST PLAN EVER
I'm guessing Gendry is on Edric Storm's spot personally.
Even thought this series had its flaws (many many flaws), the minor details are still great. The Hound sat eating his feast whilst everyone else is silent wondering what else is going on just adds to his character, as someone who has had to sit through many a drama with the Baratheons, the Lanisters and now this it is clear he doesn't have time nor care for the words of kings or queens
One thing everyone should take note of is that in the histories, House Baratheon started with a bastard of the Targaryens called Orys Baratheon.
This scene actually pays homage to that shared past between Targaryens and Baratheons.
I assumed Gendry was going to become king at the end. Would probably have been a better ending, especially if they wanted to 'subvert expectations' and kill Daenerys and exile Jon
Indeed, how tf everyone agreed to have 2 starks heading both the northern kingdom and everything else is weird af. I mean after all the politics we saw in 6 seasons
As Loras was known as The Knight of the Flowers, Olenna Queen of Thorns, and Daenerys is Mother of Dragons. Gendry should b The Smith of Lightning, Smith for his blacksmithing skills and thunder is the roaring sound of the sky but Lightning would b when it strikes down like his war hammer.
Smith of the Storms
the stormbull also is a fitting title? he made a bull helmet for himself back in season 1
The only thing missing is the words -
"Ours is the fury" would have made the scene complet.
When you make your enemy's children loyal to you. You were playing to Win.
That gave me chills.
0:56 The hound just sitting there eating his soup and not giving a fuck 😂
This! No f*x given!
😂
Alternative Universe: "To Lord Gendry Baratheon....
First of his name, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men, Lord of The Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm."
Gendry looks around and then to Danny. "Daenerys Targaryen, daughter of the Mad King, I sentence you to die for treason and for invading and attempting to overthrow the rightful King of Westeros."
Every person in the room draws out their sword and captures Danny.
The whole affair of Gendry being legitimized by Dany and then him telling Arya about is undoubtedly the stupidest thing about Season 8, and that's saying a lot.
- Gendry claims that he is "no longer Gendry Rivers". How the hell can he be named 'Rivers'? He grew up in King's Landing and was the bastard of a Lord from the Stormlands. He has literally no connection whatsoever to the Riverlands.
- Gendry couldn't possibly have a bastard surname anyway because he was never officially recognized by Robert Baratheon, in a way that Edric Storm was.
- Dany legitimizing Gendry is her literally reviving the former royal house and creating a new potential enemy in her aspirations for the crown with no advantages for her as Gendry has no army nor anything else that could further her own aspirations for the crown..
- Gendry would never be accepted as Lord of Storm's End because he's a bastard that was legitimized by a foreign invader. There is no evidence that he's actually related to the Baratheons. He'd be thrown out of Storm's End by the leading houses of that realmn the same way Bronn would be ejected from Highgarden by the Hightowers the moment he tried to enter.
I would also add that Gendry is dangerous for her because he is a male and a skilled warrior. Two things that will give him a lot a recognition from the other lords
They really toned down the Baratheon lineage to house Targaryen in this show. In the books Rhaegar refers to Robert as his cousin. The Baratheon siblings have a whole ass Targaryen grandmother
@@miguelmahecha88 yup, exactly...Robert and his brothers are a fourth Targaryen...their father's mother was a Targaryen
And Rhaegar calls Robert "cousin" when talking to a young Jaime before he went to Summerhall. Their Targaryen blood ironically enough helped his claim to the throne
@@hez859 Its emphasized on the Bonus features of the shows Blu rays where characters narrate Westeros history. Robert says it best why I think the show doesnt emphasize it: “I took the throne. Me!”.
The first Baratheon was also a bastard brother to Aegon the Conquerer.
@@JurassicLion2049
Kaka
The original Baratheon was very likely Aegon the Conqueror's bastard brother.
And the hound stuffing his face 🤣🤣🤣
Gendry is a smart boy.
He paddled them all out till he appeares in front of the Queen while she is in a good mood.
This is what made GOT great , build a great character and watch them grow. Gendry was a great character , I’d really like to see what kind of lord he became.
This is literally the exact kind of stuff that ruined Game of Thrones lol, it's what people make fun of season 8 for.
0:55 LMAO the hound is like Fuck this shit's not my bussiness i must eat
"A lord of storm's end who will be forever loyal to you"
Yeah, when he's not simping for Arya that is.
I love how the show shows a Baratheon being friendly with the Stark family
And ended with a Baratheon fucking a Stark so bad the stark left to explore the west
🤣
0:52
Dan:Does anyone?
Everyone:
Hound: *Slurp*
At :55 seconds you can see the Hound is still eating while everyone else is holding their breaths waiting to see what happens.
Gendry as Lord Baratheon would have not only been a good match for Arya but would have united the houses, meaning there would be no way Stormsend could turn on house Targaryen. And in the case Dany and Jon had no children, Arya and Gendry’s kids would have like double claim to the throne. Securing the rein of Dany’s line
Storms End must have the best weapons now
You just legitimized your greatest potential rival. He's the son of the last undisputed monarch, and Robert was loved by almost everyone, despite the laziness. This was a boneheaded move.
There were lots of people who resented Robert for killing Rhaegar, a man most people held to be a fundamentally just and fair person.
@@urthboundmisfit Nobody who was that important cared since Rhaegar running off with lyanna led to the war starting
I... actually found this to be a smart move. The only spot on this plan is Gendry's affiliation to the Starks (Arya), but technically, Gendry would be bound to Daenerys because he owes her his title and lands. This may very well be the last "smart-ish" thing Dany did...
@@HaragothNAR the appointment isn't because she thinks he'll do a good job. Lots of things were stupid, this wasn't one of them. She's trying to get a pawn in place
If you thought this was a smart move you are only examining it through the lens of the show. In the reality of the GOT universe this was the dumbest possible move that could have been made. Dany just legitimized the previous kings firstborn son. Truly, outstandingly stupid move to create the strongest possible rival claimant to the throne in one move.
@@trevorb1898 i really don't think it matters if you've got dragons and anyone backing Gendrys claim doesn't. That matters far more than him being legitimised or not, if someone wanted to install him they could just lie and people would believe it if they want. This just makes him loyal to her regime, and he's honestly very unlikely to ever have enough support to challenge it anyway.
I just love it how the hound, Tyrion, Jamie lannister all end up being a part of Jon and dany’s team.
Never was a more deserving lord than Gendry.
I would love to see a sitcom of gendry acting as Lord Baratheon
personally I wished they had made it that Gendry was the legitimate son of Robert and Cersei. If you recall back in season 1, Cersei mentions that her and Roberts 1st son died, and when Gendry first meets Ned he recalls his mother having yellow hair. Would have been cool if they worked it into the story that Cersei faked Gendry's death so that Joffrey could be king instead.
I honestly still believe that it could be true, it's possible that she either faked his death or the people she tasked with killing him decided to keep him alive and use him as a chess piece later. After seeing how petty and manipulative Cersei is, I can see her do something like that. I doubt he remembered anything from when he was a baby. He could have been told a story by the people who took him in about her death and her having yellow hair. Unless he was a toddler when that happened, then they just lied to him about her death. I can see why Cersei ordered the bastards death if it was found out that the tried to get rid of Gendry her only legitimate kid and people saw what he looked like, her and her other kids would be in trouble. Some "assassins" were specifically looking for Gendry which confirms it for me in the show.
Gendry: "I DUN WAN IT"
Love how when she speaks everyone is totally silent..
That title means nothing, Daenerys didnt have Queen powers at that time and she dies days after. Imagine Gendry claiming his castle saying he is the new lord by Daenerys Queen word and the Baratheons just laughing at him
The people who ended up deciding who was next on the throne, most of them witnessed Gendry's ascension. He was one of the participants in the election of Bran the Broken. No one significant disputes his claim to Storm's End.
He and Jon are the last male line relatives of Aegon the conqueror.
Such AMAZING writing!
Really?
@@seren4740 It AMAZES me every time I see it! Just WOW! Fucking AMAZING!
I love Sandor shaking his head as if to say another bloody lord let's hope he lives to see storm's end😁
I get the feeling the the last two books ever get released, that this scene will feel so much more epic if events play out similarly with Gendry being elevated to Lord.
Haven't read the books in a while, but if I remember rightly an ark for Gendry and Arya is that he thinks she is above him, while she wants nothing to do with her privilege.
Given his lack of education, he would make a terrible lord (just like his father), and would have learnt nothing from Arya who can see how much of a cage it all is. If he gets the option in the books I hope he finds a better alternative.
This scene is never going to happen in the books like this, it has no sense. There are many lords in. Westeros waiting to had a castle, it's not so simple as someone that nobody knows arrives in one part of Westeros and declares someone that nobody knows the new lord of a castle and the other lord's will accept it in an easy way🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻
I love how you can hear one of the extras make a joke about how easy that was.
I felt like this had no weight to it and was just another rushed fan wish-fufilment that they just slapped on at the end.
I love how he looks at the others at the table with the "can she do that" look lol
Love that she legitimized the last major threat to her reign, that made sense to do and the writing was superb. Legitimizing the last remaining heir of the last legitimate king was Smart and Made Sense
She didn't have to acknowledge Robert as a legitimate king in order to legitimize his son because Robert was still the heir to Storm's End even without his crown. And Gendry still was in line for the throne. The Baratheons were the closest relatives to Aegon's line and had intermarried into it several times.
I love the hound!
I was just going to pee .. and became a Lord of House of Baratheon.
way long grandpa! That is how we got the house?!
I'd serve under Gendry in a heartbeat the Baratheons are my favorite house.
"I give man castle and he is nice to me"
wow, thats brilliant Daenerys. Utterly brilliant. What a genius
Gendry doesent have surname and it would be waters not rivers lmao
Nick F but rivers and waters are not the same
D & D obviously don't care anymore
there is water in rivers so maybe that's what dumb and dumber were thinking
@@jellybelly111 He should have stuck to the rivers and the lakes he's used to
Or storm cuz Roberts from storm lands
love how Davos forgot all about his son later seasons.
This scene is basically D&D admitting they have no clue about what's going on outside that room.
"... I can't i'm a bastard", Jon Targaryen inmidiatly looking at the boy 😅😅
Was this edited? I recall her calling him Gendry Rivers (which is a mistake), but I couldn't hear it here. Was it removed along with the Starbucks cup?
I think he might’ve actually called himself a Rivers at some point.
Really weird tho because he would be a Waters, not a Rivers, as he was born in the Crownlands, not the Riverlands.
Guess either Gendry is a complete dipshit or D&D kinda forgot what regions bastards get what names
Yes its been memoryholed by HBO
Actually it just Gendry!!! but if Robert did Knowledge him it Waters or Storm.
I really thought by legitimizing him and making him a lord and his relationship to Arya they were gonna make him King and that they would subvert expectations and make Arya " a lady" this would have solved so many problems in the end but they make Bran king out of nowhere Tyrion being like "WhO hAs A bEtTeR sToRy ThEn BrAn..." like Gendry a true rags to riches story from Flee Bottom to the Iron Throne and he went beyond the wall with Jon and ran through wright infested territory back to the wall in like 2 hours and the other stuff in season 2 like WTF
1:50 I shared the same reaction as the hound 😂
Gendry was on his way to the bathroom at the beginning of the clip, that's why he doesn't seem to thrilled about being stopped for a chat and a lordship.
I kinda wish they had paid this off a bit more by having some Stormlander soldiers as part of Daenerys' army at the end. Wouldn't have been that hard to put a few extras in Baratheon armor from Season 2.
This shit is embarrassing, of all the people in the room, like tyrion and Sansa and NO ONE knows who rules the stormlands since Stannis death
Was literally at a loss of words when this happened.
Has the vibe of when the teacher makes you come up to the front of the class and tells everyone to sing happy birthday
Every face in that room anticipated that she'd end the Baratheon bloodline there and everybody was relieved when she made him Lord of Storms End instead, yet we still have to pretend we didn't saw Dany going mad coming and "it doesn't fit the character"? :D
Destruction during the war is one thing. Burning the Red Keep to ashes is within character but the systemic slaughter specifically targeting innocent men, women and children after the battle was won? when she didn’t have to? yes, that’s out of character. why would daenerys go out of the way to kill the civilians instead of just flying to the red keep to punish Cersei who killed her dragon and beheaded her best friend like two minutes ago? She started nuking KL literally giving Cersei a heads up letting her know that she doesn’t give a shit about the common folk. Cersei would take that hint and knowing she is lost, she would haul her ass out of there.
still upset about the ending but all in all I loved the series
If by the ending you mean the last 2 seasons then I agree. It’s a shame because it was truly a masterpiece up until that point. The thought process behind what made all the characters so great just vanished and the character dialogue and the dialogue stunk. Anyways… the books could be the saviour for got.
It's Jon's smile for another bastard becoming lord of his father's land for me
Meanwhile Hound: F*ck the lord. Let me enjoy my chicken 😂
In german she said water(Wasser) not river. River is actually wrong.
You watch the dubbed version?
In the books, The Sixth Blackfyre Rebellion started in the Stormlands and "Aegon Targaryen" holds the Storm's End
books >>>>>
Which Aegon Targaryen? Young Griff?
Legitimizing the son of the last undisputed king. If this show had any brains left you would think this would be a bad idea with some sort of backfiring consequence. But it isn’t, so there wasn’t.
I love seeing the Hound snacking away during a tense moment. Read the room dudeXD