A great mix of useful information, enthusiasm to do a top job, a cool guy we all wish we knew in real life and the naughty boy element of doing that in a beautiful living room. Great stuff.
Your vid is most informative, thank you. The only glue available for this job back then was 'contact adhesive'. It was made by a firm called EvoStik. You put it on the cab, and also on the vynide cloth, then let it dry. Had to get the cloth in the right place first time, because it stuck like $h*t to a hairy blanket once the two were put together! I only know this, because I was running a mobile disco back in the 70's, and made all my own cabs and decks from the start. My amp cab is a Marshall but it's chipboard - still trying to get the remnants of glue off, but particles of the board come off with it.
+Johan Segeborn True and from the Norwegians I've met they are very different to the Swedes! some great videos that inspire me play and sometimes even practice..
beautiful work , I call that dedication to achieve perfection . You worked a lot of hours to clean up the mess. The wood looks really clean and not damaged at all.
Johan - I picked up a REALLY beat up 1960A and refinished it as well, so I was chuckling when you were trying to get the glue off and said, "I used several solvents and that wasn't successful!" I had the same experience! I don't know what the solvent is for that stuff, but the half dozen or more things I tried didn't touch it! What I ended up doing was getting a Wagner heat gun with a blade attachment and that worked really well to get the bulk of the glue off. After I got the vast majority off with the heat gun, I didn't have to sand it quite as much.
you are a real handy man! I'd like to do this to my 1970 marshall cabinet, as it appears to have been changed a long the way too, but theres no way I could do that myself!
no problem I love all your vids, and marvel at your amp and guitar collection! To you expert eyes does this cab look like a 1970-71? It has metal handles with the larger type logo. s197.photobucket.com/user/calman83/media/2i043gh.jpg-2.png.html?sort=3&o=15 i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/calman83/cab%201.jpg
+Cal Wegener Glad to hear it! Marshall used Basketweave grill cloth and metal handles until 1971 when they introduced checkerboard and plastic handles. In 69 they still had the smaller logo. In 1973 they introduced plastic caps on all corners of the cab. There are two holes at each corner of the cab indicating that the box itself is a post 73, but the caps could just as well been retrofitted making it a 70-71. The Speakers have gray solder terminals making them post 1972 and black magnet covers which could indicate that they are post 76 and black backs (black magnet covers have existed all years but they are extremely rare before 75-76.
yes very well spotted you are a real expert! From what I have gathered from forums it is a 70-71 cab with older speakers and non genuine marshall corner protecters added. I paid around $500US for it a while ago, I do find the old wood in these cabinets makes a big difference compared to new ones, like your comparison videos show. If you get a chance to try a Soldano SLO-100 I think you will like it, I had mine ordered from the factory with kt-66 tubes for a more vintage vibe, and tweed fabric too! here is a pic: s197.photobucket.com/user/calman83/media/1013721_10151684631900470_305570974_n.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22 Rock on my friend!
Im going to try it with a friend.. was thinking of staining it but love the natural color.. maybe just seal coat it. now what do i do bought the head would like something groovy? tie dye?
they make reducer for the contact cement. What is the name of it? We used it when we were putting Formica on counter tops and when some one made a mistake we would take pain brush and apply and the Formica came right off. This may be great for Tolex but I have the fuzzy black fabric crap to take off and I want to put tolex on
Johan - what about replacing the gold or brass corner rivets that Marshall uses? How is that done? I've taken the broken plastic corners off and pulled out the rivets of an early 80's 1960B and are buying new ones. How are the new rivets installed?
The grooves cut into the cabinet where the small gold piping goes- is this solely for cosmetics or is there some sort of function for it being there? Did every model and era of Marshall get the thin gold piping? Just curious.
That is a lot of hard tedious work. I'll bet you were glad to have it finished. I finished a deep 112 cabinet recently and it sounded great, then after I added vinyl it seemed to not sound as good. I wish I had recorded a comparison just to see if it was just in my head, or an actual change in sound. Did you happen compare your sound from this cabinet before and after vinyl? Your cab looks great just bare wood. If it sounded good without vinyl, it would be tempting to simply put a clear-coat on it.
Is there a part two to this project? or did you leave the cab bare? I know that somewhere around 1980, Marshall switched to the spray on black glue for adhering tolex - which is heat activated (and you can always see the black overspray inside the cabs). You stated this cab was re-covered in the 80s so i'm guessing the same type of glue may have been used but i'm curious to know how a hair dryer would work when removing original 60s or 70s tolex (ala EVH's '77-'78 backline). LezGO! :)
I kinda want to do that to my cab and just leave it like that. That looks fucknig dope Would it affect the way it sounds at all? As long as you don't sand the wood down much when you're sanding.
I basically only took the glue off and it didn't break up into an aerosol and the door was open so it worked out, but you do have a point. Good ventilation is recomnended.
Great video, but I can't believe you sanded it in the house. Even with a sander the sucks up dust into a bag or with a vac you must have had dust everywhere.
Hej Johan, nice short video and beautiful result. Check out my latest video. Did the same to my 86 JCM800 half stack. Love it. Greetings from Austria :o)
Only a gearhead would sandpaper his cab in his livingroom next to his laundry done. Good job!
Absolute legend
A great mix of useful information, enthusiasm to do a top job, a cool guy we all wish we knew in real life and the naughty boy element of doing that in a beautiful living room. Great stuff.
Your vid is most informative, thank you.
The only glue available for this job back then was 'contact adhesive'. It was made by a firm called EvoStik. You put it on the cab, and also on the vynide cloth, then let it dry. Had to get the cloth in the right place first time, because it stuck like $h*t to a hairy blanket once the two were put together! I only know this, because I was running a mobile disco back in the 70's, and made all my own cabs and decks from the start.
My amp cab is a Marshall but it's chipboard - still trying to get the remnants of glue off, but particles of the board come off with it.
Johan you are amazing guy! I wish I had a friend like you to drink a beer and talking gear.
Hi Stefan! If you're in Gothenburg just let me know and we'll down a few cold ones! Cheers
I must confess as much as I enjoy your videos they serve an ulterior motive of giving me a netflix lillihammer fix between seasons.
Steven Van Zandt is great
:-) but Lillehammer is in Norway, but close enough
+Johan Segeborn True and from the Norwegians I've met they are very different to the Swedes! some great videos that inspire me play and sometimes even practice..
beautiful work , I call that dedication to achieve perfection . You worked a lot of hours to clean up the mess. The wood looks really clean and not damaged at all.
Yeah, a hidden treasure :-)
Johan - I picked up a REALLY beat up 1960A and refinished it as well, so I was chuckling when you were trying to get the glue off and said, "I used several solvents and that wasn't successful!" I had the same experience! I don't know what the solvent is for that stuff, but the half dozen or more things I tried didn't touch it! What I ended up doing was getting a Wagner heat gun with a blade attachment and that worked really well to get the bulk of the glue off. After I got the vast majority off with the heat gun, I didn't have to sand it quite as much.
+Tom Fortin Cool, yeah the sanding always risks eating away at the actual cab. Cheers
Looks visceral & boutique! Loved it, man.
+Jair Ferrari Filho Thanks man!
Bra jobbat Johan! Dina videos är riktigt underhållande för en guitar-newbie som mig!
+Marko A Tack Marko! Gott att höra!
did it change the tone any
It's beautiful you rock J..fearless Swedish dude..cheers from Canada brother!
Glad you like it! Cheers from the Gothenburg harbour!
you are a real handy man! I'd like to do this to my 1970 marshall
cabinet, as it appears to have been changed a long the way too, but theres no way I could do that myself!
+Cal Wegener Thanks Cal :-)
no problem I love all your vids, and marvel at your amp and guitar collection!
To you expert eyes does this cab look like a 1970-71? It has metal handles with the larger type logo.
s197.photobucket.com/user/calman83/media/2i043gh.jpg-2.png.html?sort=3&o=15
i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa200/calman83/cab%201.jpg
+Cal Wegener Glad to hear it! Marshall used Basketweave grill cloth and metal handles until 1971 when they introduced checkerboard and plastic handles. In 69 they still had the smaller logo. In 1973 they introduced plastic caps on all corners of the cab. There are two holes at each corner of the cab indicating that the box itself is a post 73, but the caps could just as well been retrofitted making it a 70-71. The Speakers have gray solder terminals making them post 1972 and black magnet covers which could indicate that they are post 76 and black backs (black magnet covers have existed all years but they are extremely rare before 75-76.
yes very well spotted you are a real expert! From what I have gathered from forums it is a 70-71 cab with older speakers and non genuine marshall corner protecters added. I paid around $500US for it a while ago, I do find the old wood in these cabinets makes a big difference compared to new ones, like your comparison videos show.
If you get a chance to try a Soldano SLO-100 I think you will like it, I had mine ordered from the factory with kt-66 tubes for a more vintage vibe, and tweed fabric too! here is a pic:
s197.photobucket.com/user/calman83/media/1013721_10151684631900470_305570974_n.jpg.html?sort=3&o=22
Rock on my friend!
+Cal Wegener Cheers bro!
Why not an iron and wet towel on the flat areas?
Looks really good. Perhaps next time, do the sanding on that lovely deck? Avoiding dusting out your lovely flat? Well done sir!
You gave me an idea for my next coffee table :) Joking
:-)
Cool idea ! It would look cool with some wood stain and poly clear. Looks great as is ! : )
Thanks Mitchell! :-)
Im going to try it with a friend.. was thinking of staining it but love the natural color.. maybe just seal coat it. now what do i do bought the head would like something groovy? tie dye?
+Blusin' Barnes It doesn't get any groovier than that ;-)
they make reducer for the contact cement. What is the name of it? We used it when we were putting Formica on counter tops and when some one made a mistake we would take pain brush and apply and the Formica came right off. This may be great for Tolex but I have the fuzzy black fabric crap to take off and I want to put tolex on
You're an asset to the species
Looks very nice and kind of more expensive now. Nice work!
Thanks Tyhmä, yeah it gets a Nordic feel to it with the unfinished birch
great vid Johan,thank you.
Thanks!
Hi,how do i remove paint off of tolex???Thanks.
any tips on cleaning the cabinet cloth without taking the cab apart?
Hi, check with the guys at Marshall forum or Pkeximaster here on YT. Cheers
Johan Segeborn Thanks, I'll do that!
Alltid lika kul att följa dina videos, Johan! Thx! /Henrik
Tackar så mycket Henrik!
Congratulations for the great work !!!
Hello, when will the second part?
Always accompany your videos here in Brazil.
Hi Ricardo! Thanks man glad you like it. I'm not sure I'm gonna dress it. It sounds and looks so good like this. Cheers Johan
Looks great after the sanding..........
Johan - what about replacing the gold or brass corner rivets that Marshall uses? How is that done? I've taken the broken plastic corners off and pulled out the rivets of an early 80's 1960B and are buying new ones. How are the new rivets installed?
The grooves cut into the cabinet where the small gold piping goes- is this solely for cosmetics or is there some sort of function for it being there? Did every model and era of Marshall get the thin gold piping? Just curious.
it looks great unfinished, just clear-coat it! :)
I agree. Or keep it unfinished
I agree, but without tolex it will change the tone/timbre somewhat.
Tjena Johan, would you know where to buy a Marshall Tolex in Sweden?? Tack tack
Awesome.
Thanks man
Thanks this is helpful, but I think I would remove the baffle and the handles first
grat video, but how did you do it without disassembling the baffle board, speakers and hardware?
Hi, Johan, nice job! Now let's hear it unfinished =)
That will be coming up soon! Cheers
That is a lot of hard tedious work. I'll bet you were glad to have it finished. I finished a deep 112 cabinet recently and it sounded great, then after I added vinyl it seemed to not sound as good. I wish I had recorded a comparison just to see if it was just in my head, or an actual change in sound. Did you happen compare your sound from this cabinet before and after vinyl? Your cab looks great just bare wood. If it sounded good without vinyl, it would be tempting to simply put a clear-coat on it.
Good Job!!
Thanks! :-)
can you tell me why you did this?
That looks great!!
But i would be too lazy to do that and put some clearcoat on it if i had a 4 x 12 cab.
How big is the sound difference?
Thanks! The difference is very subtle if any. Feels like it sounds better though :-)
Is there a part two to this project? or did you leave the cab bare? I know that somewhere around 1980, Marshall switched to the spray on black glue for adhering tolex - which is heat activated (and you can always see the black overspray inside the cabs). You stated this cab was re-covered in the 80s so i'm guessing the same type of glue may have been used but i'm curious to know how a hair dryer would work when removing original 60s or 70s tolex (ala EVH's '77-'78 backline). LezGO! :)
+awwnawmang I'm probably gonna leave it like this I'm afraid. The original cabs of late 60s early 70s are easier to strip I've heard. Cheers!
I kinda want to do that to my cab and just leave it like that. That looks fucknig dope
Would it affect the way it sounds at all? As long as you don't sand the wood down much when you're sanding.
interesting video, thanks
Thanks Carlos
You sanded it inside your home !?! Why not outside, to avoid dust everywhere?
I basically only took the glue off and it didn't break up into an aerosol and the door was open so it worked out, but you do have a point. Good ventilation is recomnended.
Wow, finger joint construction…
Great video, but I can't believe you sanded it in the house. Even with a sander the sucks up dust into a bag or with a vac you must have had dust everywhere.
+RockNJeep Yeah, that was stupid. ... But fun ;-)
Hej,
We have the same Vacuum cleaner ;-)!
+WojtekMigda hahaha! ;-)
I admire people that are so ''into'' gear , but this manual labour is my idea of hell !
Hej Johan, nice short video and beautiful result. Check out my latest video. Did the same to my 86 JCM800 half stack. Love it. Greetings from Austria :o)
dude, get a fucking tri-pod
I thought I was quite steady.