I don’t see a foreknower problem. The way I see it, it’s not that I’ll go left because he knew it, it’s that he knows it because I will.. seems to me that many people are getting it backwards. For me, it’s as if the foreknower got his knowledge about me going left by flying into the future, seeing me gone left at the fork, and then flying back into the past retaining the knowledge of what’s gonna unfold, and so he knows it because I’ll do it and not the other way around.
Exactly! He knows nothing about "God". No one knows, ever knew or will ever know nothing about "God". Nevertheless, in times of Covid, I have nothing to do and these conversations are always interesting...
The present actions determins the future,God surely knows the future because he drives reality, but how? Thats beyond our minds to understand because God is infinite, we are not
Our loving and omnipotent God can see and knows the future... If tomorrow a bus full of innocent children is about to have an accident and fall into a river... Why the loving God doesn't save them? *The same example can be giving about "Catholic priests who rape children, He knows in advance and yet God doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening". He knows it's about to happen, but decides to watch without interfering... how loving.
GOD doesn't know the future of our personal actions. Only as a whole. That is why there is Time here on Earth. He knows we will eventually destroy ourselves. When we do his Son & our Savior will be back to set us straight.
"One can come up with models, but that could just be blowing hot air"....Speaking of which here's my model of God with his "time telescope"! Irony overload!
He doesn't claim to be god. We simply have no way of knowing the absolute truth so every model through which we conduct our life in the present moment will, in the future, confront with the truth that only time can manifest. I think irony is the inescapable byproduct of truth discovery. In other words, even my strongest beliefs are destined to change over time as much as I insist right now that they won't. Isn't that ironic?
@@aryaahmadi4029 Well stated! I like to say that the only truth is the unity or oneness of everything; everything else comes and goes in the infinite expanses of time. Although even unity can be mostly hidden from sight as demonstrated by humans, but I think we all feel deep down that we aren't actually separate from anything. Your thoughts, words, and actions affect me just as much as mine affect you. This very exchange of words is modifying both of our neural networks in our brains. If you can change me and I can change you, how much longer can we pretend to be independent?
@@aryaahmadi4029 The irony you describe bears no resemblance to what's in the video. Within the space of three sentences he goes from admitting ignorance about God's attributes, leading him to prefer an agnostic outlook, which he backs up by suggesting any models born of such ignorance would be akin to "blowing hot air"..he then immediately and without flinching completely negates all this by proffering his own model of God borne from his already self professed ignorance! This isn't a case of being "confronted with the truth that only time can manifest". In fact he moves the opposite direction, from a position of acknowledged and legitimate ignorance into speculative claims that are the epitome of the "hot air" he himself just derided. It's more like doublespeak, he essentially said "God's attributes are unknown to me...now allow me to describe them for you".
I always find it amusing whenever there is a discussion about God, be it just only discussion, how many people immediately feel the need to say there is no God like a child saying nuh uh 😂😂
Of course he knows. IMO the path we take to get there is free will, but we end up where we're supposed to be. Some people do go around the world to get to their elbows, lol. It's a learning journey for everyone on our path, as well as us.
To everyone always complaining in these comment sections that the interviewees never give definitive answers... If you came here to find answers... you're in the wrong place. If you came here to better equip yourself to approach the questions... you're home.
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 You don't think that being exposed to myriad opinions and way of thinking influences your own approach to questions? You and Socrates would not have gotten along.
@@Strelnikov10 i think diversity of opinions is a good thing there are 1.8 billion people who believe the Quran to be a revelation from God,does that book deserves to be scrutinized?why should all the answers come from the Bible?
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 What? When did I say all answers come from the bible? Personally, I don't think many answers come from the Bible. All I said is that it's valuable to hear multiple viewpoints, and this channel is exceptional at curating a wide variety of them.
@@Strelnikov10 you’re not the producer of the video nor do I have the right to point a finger at you,Most of the people interviewed are Christians as if the other major Abrahamic religion doesn’t have an opinion.if an opinion is missing from a discussion then the whole exercise is intellectual terrorism.
1. God does not have any free will if He knows for certain what He will always do. 2. God can’t be timeless because before creation there was no Creation. Create is something God would do and "would do" requires a future and a future requires time.
@@angelmanuelvilar Lots of scientists don’t call randomness as science! Like lynn margulis, denis noble and ... . If you label everything you don’t know, random, is not a good science!
I envy those people who have not even thought about these things and live peacefully. Once you ponder on these kind of questions then there is no returning back to innocence.
@@Honestandtruth007 its not a matter of knowing or not knowing God, but rather simply questioning if he knows the future why then did he even make earth, adam and eve, and even put the snake in garden whilst he knew very well that they were going to eat the fruit?
Also, the foreknowledge/free will paradox can be resolved by simply theorizing that God knows what we will freely do in the future. Doesn’t need to be a deterministic condition. An existence outside of time would allow that.
This would be a mere oxymoronic word game unless you posit some kind of retro causation. But if that is the case, there still would be a meta time where god didn’t know, and then he did, and you can keep adding infinite meta time lines and never fully resolve the paradox. Somewhat similar to the Gödel/Tarski stratification of formal systems. Another problem is , if this retro causation is true, it seems to imply that the future already in some sense happened, and this contradicts our immediate response experience of the flow of time. One might be tempted to say that , we cannot perceive the future even tho we brought it into being, because the simulation was reversed including all our memories. But then this begs the question, why does God even bother with all this trickery just to “know the future that we chose freely “ ? Why can’t he just see the potential possibilities without knowing which one is picked with certainty? The solution to me seems to be that god knows only what is there to he known, the actual, but he also knows and sees potentials and probabilities . Seeing God as more like a process rather than some static object helps us to get around this paradox. Think about it, if God knows everything including the infinite future , why bother simulating the world to begin with? It would seem totally pointless. Without free will, there is no purpose or meaning to anything, not even to God himself. That’s my view!
The question has utility in that the more details we can get people to give about the properties of god - which end up being incoherent - the more confident we can be that the original claim of this god existing is also incoherent.
@@Savantjazzcollective Easy fix. Theist are fond of telling you they're right. But not a one can back it. They just blabber. Show me. Any one of you. Show me your God. Imaginary friends are a dime a dozen.
@@Nissenov just like your reply, its an illusion of free will. so in fact you and your thoughts are determined to never believe, therefore, there is no convincing an automaton is there....
@@Nissenov I don't believe in 'free will' per se. I believe more in 'free won't'. Its shown that the brain reacts when making a choice, lending credence to the notion of a biological informed decision. But when one restrains themselves then there is no brain activity. I personally believe that our consciousness is separate to our biology, and therefore it is up to us to control and master our biology through our conscious restraint. Thats why we are guilty of a crime for example, it's not simply determined by our biology, we have a moral duty to restrain ourselves, otherwise we would all raping and pillaging like we used to do if we let our 'earth suit' dominate.
Just only to understand at human level how God can know the future and if God knows already then what is Free Will. We can think this way that at the beginning of our universe God played virtually the whole story of the universe including living things at fast forward mode in seconds and erased our memory. God may be did it just to adjust the chases at macro level that we were making for free will from micro level so that God can keep the universe going fine up to end. Then he replayed the story again to make it a witness to us what we are doing, so that on the judgement day after destruction of the universe, we will not be able to deny what we have done in this worldly life being given free will though there was strict guidance and commandments from God for us. Its a documentation process going on. Humanly we can understand this way about God's foreknowledge and our free will . Does it make sense Mr Robert?
I have a cartoon on my wall of God talking to his angels and saying; I'm feed up of you Yes-Guys, i'm going to create free-will! And another cartoon of an Angel saying, "I think they are going to need more help than Freewill."
It's not that you "couldn't" have done otherwise, it's that you "wouldn't" have done otherwise in the same exact set if circumstances. You willed not to do the other thing. Good knew what you "would" not do and what you would do.
@@JH-KU Like us, animals have consciousness as well. You will meet your pet in the spiritual realm as well. Like I said we all belong to ONR cosmic consciousness .
No one actually knows what actually will happen, however the Mind of Infinity knows all the possibilities of chaos. Anytime traveler could have awareness of the future. Free will is exactly why no one knows what choices that life form will make, just the probabilities.
knowing the future is not such a big deal once the 2 forms of time(forward and backward) are recognised. G-D created time at big bang, so why would he not know the future? There is no problem of Determinism V Freewill either, because the 2 forms of time allow both concepts to co-exist.
The human assumed *nonsense* about God needing to be Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent, etc., is precisely what fuels the skepticism of atheists and materialists in regards to the existence of God. And the point is that God does not need to possess any of those attributes in order to create a context of reality (a universe) that is capable of awakening us into existence.
Yes, two ways as in your comment, the first way - brutal knowledge - as a matter of fact excludes the possibility of having free will. The second - a simple observation of the future - considers the possibility of having free will because you SUPPLY INFORMATION to God when He observes you from the past. However in the second case the observed future is the future that will REALLY happen in the future, God is thus supposed NOT to modify it.
The Christian God is defined as a personal being who knows everything. According to Christians, personal beings have free will. In order to have free will, you must have more than one option, each of which is avoidable. This means that before you make a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential: you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential (if not the desire) to change your mind before the decision is final. A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty." It knows its choices in advance. This means that it has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore lacks free will. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being who knows everything cannot exist. Therefore, the Christian God does not exist. - Dan Barker -
Okay, I get the idea. I think and act out my life with the belief I have free will. It should make no difference to me whether I have free will because I believe I do, so therefore I can make what I think are choices. The only thing that changes is the existence of a foreknower. But, if that god reveals itself to me in anyway at all, whether by personal revelation or the testimony of another, I then become aware of the foreknower. Now that I am aware of a foreknower I must recognize that it knows my choices, and that going forward I have no choice to alter them. The ability to change outcome requires free will. I can only hold that I have free will if I also hold that my choices cannot be foreknown. I don't see how one can both believe in free will and believe in a foreknower. The awareness of the latter eliminates the former. This seems overly simple, but it seems free will denies deism.
One doesn't have to go as far as God, to ask the question of free will and time. We can look at General Relativity and the Block Universe. Or even simpler, look at our present self and past self. We already know what our past self has done. We have a recording of the choices already made. But does this mean we didn't have free will? What is the semantics, associated meanings, around the whole discussion on free will and time?
Multiverse theory is every possible version of reality, meaning our past and future, existing in all at once. We just don't experience all of it at once for the same reason that we can't travel to other dimensions unless we change form.
Moral accountability would not be a problem if Moses had taught responsibility to the Jews, if Jesus had taught responsibility to the Christians, if Mohammed had taught responsibility to the Muslims, if Buddha had taught responsibility to the Buddhists, and if Lao Tzu had taught responsibility to the Taoists.
The Answer to this is YES and NO. As to Achilles. (Assuming a He) His Journey, Including Any Race he Participates in began Long before He Existed. Of course, What is it to Win?. Hence I suggest Any Earth Lifeform is much Bigger than Any One Life Period, The Journey of Life's. As to Does God Allow Freedom without Responsibility? (ie :- God is Always to Blame). Well Our History Repeatedly Shows Both Freedoms and Responsibilities and as much as We can Tell about Our Human History Both have Always Occured. Admittedly with Great Loss and Varying Time Scales between Freedoms and Responsibilities. Hence maybe God is the Great Educator as well. ( ie Educate Yourself or Suffer).
@Daniel Paulson 😂😂To be sure! Different spiritual perspectives still have a chance: no progress will be made until religion is understood to be equivalent to fascism.
Does God exist at all? I don't know, but is our world one which an all knowing and merciful God create? If God wanted the best for us would then he put us in this environment.
To realise God , proper vission is needed. This can only be achieved by ultimate Wisdom of materialistic existence from zero to infinity or by absolute meditation. Such type of questions then will become irrelevant.
@@Nissenov I think you are not receiving the concepts as I mean to say. The formless but the creator of this physical world as observer of all (by all means) in the form of matter_energy, the laws and the consciousness includes the time as well. How the questions like present, past & future can be associated with the God. I am very sorry to say the God is above the all times. Thank you very much for commenting like this.
@@DrShripalSharma Oh I ment No harm, or disrespect. You just wrote (Mad)itation instead of meditation. And I just tried to make some fun of that. Not fun in an evil way, just a light hearted joke✌️
Our faith, "which is the belief of the majority of Christians, at least in this point," that God knows everything in the past, present, and future. Rather, we call it an adjective such as that He is above time and space. But the question that I can never skip is: Why is God surprised, meaning why does he feel anger, joy and sadness? ..etc. Example: Why did he feel sad after drowning the whole earth in the days of Noah? This does not make sense. Is it the difference between an idea and a test? I'm not sure but that makes no sense anyway
God would know all that is “necessary” to know. Past or future. She/He doesn’t need to know what I choose to have for breakfast/lunch/dinner today. That’s part of free will that’s not necessary for anyone but myself to know (or decide).
How is it possible, while Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it change forms. From it's highest Potential to it's Lowest Kenitic, it all correlates.
If GOD knows all. From beginning to end. He knows our future. Doesn't take away free will. He just knows the ending. Spoiler Alert 📢 😳 😐 😑 God Wins. . .
The problem is that Mr. Hunt's God is also the creator, not just just an observer. As such he creates all conditions which lead to any action. Therefore it is him who is ultimately responsible for everything.
He creates a scenario of choice perhaps, putting an agent in a situation where a choice must be made. But that’s not the same thing as determining his choices! And God knowing what the agent will do does not take away from the fact that the agent is the one doing it and “could have” done otherwise; God need not secretly completely compel the will in every choice.
@@mattsigl1426 But he doesn't just "put" the agent in a situation. He creates both the agent and the situation. Well, he creates everything for that matter. And fully knows all outcomes. It's like running a puppet show and then rewarding (or punishing) the puppets for their "actions".
It depends on the mentality of each individual and his influenced informations, how to answer this question. If you were left a space to doubt, you will even doubt reality. If you were left no space to doubt, you will behave accordingly to your teachings. So the problem is not based on the truth, but on the teachings depending on the enforcement of its nature. Consciousness has evolutionized with the person, informations are like nutritions for the brain.
When you postulate a god that can do anythig by definition it’s hard to disprove it, but even so some things seem wrong. If the universe was simply created by god and he has the power to compute everything it happens being simply a like a powerful computer that does every single calculaton that seesm possible, and he exists in a parallel universe. But the problem is it doesn’t seem possible to control what happens in his universe unless you postulate again that the universe he lives in has laws that alows him to do this. This is simply like a hypothesis of the world as a simulation made by some entity. There’s still nothing but a hypothesis. Then lots of other problems like the one mentioned we don’t seem to have free will. Free will is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence although we have the feeling it’s real
Does he know with absolute certainty what he will do in the future? If not then he is not all knowing and if yes then since that choice is absolutely certain, he cannot change it hence he has no freewill. So you are left with either a thing that doesn’t know all or doesn’t have freewill choice. Doesn’t seem too godly?
@@mohdbilalabbasi Depends. What if God is evil.? Look at the world he created. A world that is hell for some. An unfair world. A world where some have good lives, while others in torture and dread looks at those good lives, without the possibility to get such a life. He made chokolate poisoness for dogs. He made psycodelics that are fun to take, but also poisoness and unhealthy. He made diseases hit some, and others go free. He made us hate eachother because of race, religion, political standpoints, sexual orientation. Etc. etc. Hell looks exactly like a place, such a God would make.
I believe that if God exists, or superior entity or pure energy whatever we want to call It, it's neither good nor evil, those two things lie within us. So maybe there is not heaven and hell, but just an afterlife where we reconnect as energy. That's my opinion. I'm pretty sure that we're never going to find out everything certain about that, but it's such a compelling topic to discuss and hear different opinions from different cultures, beliefs, scientists, philosophers and so on.. I'm glad I came across this channel.
If all of life is an algorithm, and God knows all of life's algorithms, then God will already know where this life will lead. Everything humans do has algorithms known. All algorithms are interconnected. Produces a known result. God designed this life. God created messengers as superior algorithms to human algorithms. And this life algorithm has been designed to lead in a certain direction.
ANSWER: A LIVING pattern that exist outside a [bracketed determinate Box] of matter. A gardener.... nurturing such material to a point of ... Assumption: [Reality] in terms of Infinity may be expanding in a continuous NOW and Past... and NOT already existing Past WITH Future. Thus, KEY Future points can be predicted but the PATH and potential of EMERGENCE from stated [Reality] may still occur.
God's creation of us was a selfless act. He wanted us to experience the love He has experienced in the Trinity, the Godhead, via relationships and engagement with the rest of His creation. He is Love. Love is not an attribute but His essence. Every act of his is ultimately and act of love.
Base on Quran God says even he known a leaf of a tree that it will fall, so God knows everything for simple reason, time is a creation, and God power is not limited by his creation
The future isn’t “the future” to God. It’s just what he created, (including the outcome of all instances of freedom) he actualized. God doesn’t change at all. At all. He doesn’t have mental states. (Perhaps he has a one “mental state” but no more.)
We've build a straw man from the mist of time, and I comport itself with baggeges, some of us attribute him positive tones some not but we need God anyway without him everything is possible?????
The more power you build into a god. The easier it is too tear the idea too shreds. For one. The gods never seem too be able too do anything more than small miracles. Look at Jesus. He had too start with just a small group of just 12 followers. His miracles were selective and very limited in scope. Not what you would expect from the son of a god that created everything. But this lack of real power seems too be consistent with their god existing only in their own mind.
Prediction: My pencil is going to snap into 2 pieces... (Snaps pencil with fingers)... Outcome: God can do anything... If God wants... I think the better question then is to ask... Would God want to know every little thing? If so, then existence maybe would not be as interesting without surprises. then you have to think, at what level of awareness is optimal? You may find right here, right now is where we like to exist. And I think God's will is the playbook to which every angel orchestrates into fate.
Didn't he know, he was creating a killer machine from the outset that's the greatest handicap wasn't he facing? Constantly ask myself could done any better in life.... That question applicable unto him and a, valid point too..
The idea of God anticipating the future reminds me of an author writing a novel. Which is an overused example. These guys use the concept of a time telescope. I like to imagine it a little more complex. I like the idea of a simulated reality because it seems so much more probable than not. and if a quantum computer could simulate lot of probabilities in a fraction of time than it would take a human mind then we would have multiple potential universes with multiple different finite and infinite eventualities. What I find most mind blowing about this thought is if all possibilities exist then it would be probable that a base reality would replicate itself iver and over again. each time it would happen time would be divided as well creating multiple quantum universes each one faster than the reality it was created in. our actions would echo forever. base reality would star to move slower and slower in comparison to every replication. If you could project a probable world that is still to be potentially be created. you could implant that program with godlike information. information from events that have already passed in the previous iteration of time. free will would then only be actual in a base reality but since we would be reflections of that base reality we wouldn't be able to decipher the difference. If we were paused in a base reality we would never consciously experience it in the simulation. each universe would be more and more microscopic. like a mandelbraught... Starts to sound a lot like the movie antman but with computer's and quantum digital information. But if this is true and we are the replication of base reality then it would dictate that we are destined to create a universal record of our existance at some point in the future. If we divert from that potential probability then our information doesn't repeat and our simulated reality would be finite. and we would he doomed to repeat that inevitable fate repeatedly without conscious awareness of it. It's like a catch 22. you do have free will or at least perceive your logical progression of decisions based on information provided but at the same time the event is repeated and the outcome known. Imagine the resonant frequencies that permeate everything around us are manipulated in other planes of a digital existance and are quantum entangled in a way we've never conceptualized before. This of course could provide the argument that base reality is something entirely alien from what we experience. could a species possess the ability to perceive all frequencies and naturally understand them and manipulate them the way our throats manipulate air to transmit audio messages. IDK but going down the rabbit hole is always a wonderous journey. Keeping alive possibility outside the edges of the known is what makes life worth living. Discovering them and knowing them is the pursuit of giving life substance. Y is the most important variable. It is the beginning of every question and the prelude to knowledge. It is full of infinite potential but also defines something as seperate from.
Let's take a panpsychist approach: as materialized consciousness (from an electron, an atom, a molecule or a cell to a tree, a spider or a human), God cannot know the future; as pure consciousness (dwelling in Nothingness), God can know all the futures (all the threads or paths in the multiverse) but not which path will be chosen by a conscious agent (by every materialized consciousness)
@Turito Bassu Perhaps God (pure or disembodied consciousness, the eternal inhabitant of Nothingness) is experiencing what it is to be in a carnal dress, what means to be outside timeless and spaceless Nothingness in each and every possibility. Maybe for fun, or out of curiosity, or both. Or for something unimaginable. picandovoyenglish.wordpress.com/2020/06/07/conclusions-of-between-nothingness-and-wholeness-consciousness-and-evolution-in-the-multiverse/
EXPANDING UNIVERSE. IN HOLY QUR'AN ALMIGHTY ALLAH THE MASTER CREATOR Who can claim 1350 years ago that the universe is expanding? والسماء بنينها بايد و انا لموسعون o " And the heaven We built it with power, and indeed, We are the expander " (And We it is Who make the vast extent, thereof ) (Qur'an, 51:47) Until 1931, physicist Albert Einstein believed that the universe was static. An urban legend attributes this change of perspective to when American astronomer Edwin Hubble showed Einstein his observations of redshift in the light emitted by far away nebulae - today known as galaxies. After Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding, Einstein called the cosmological constant his "greatest blunder." At around the same time, larger telescopes were being built that were able to accurately measure the spectra, or the intensity of light as a function of wavelength, of faint objects. It is clearly mentioned in Holy Qur'an : " And the heaven We constructed with power, and indeed, We are the expander " (Qur'an, 51:47) Almighty Allah is the Master Creator of the whole universe.He says: Should He not know what He created? And He is the Subtile, the Aware. The knowledge of scientists is very limited and poor to understand the universe!! But theirs constant efforts to understand the universe is highly admirable and they are praiseworthy indeed. DR.MOHAMMAD LAEEQUE NADVI Ph.D. (Arabic Lit.) M.A. Arabic Lit.+Islamic Studies) Directorr Amena Institute of Islamic Studies & Analysis A Global & Universal Institute, Donate to promote this Institute SBI A/C30029616117 Kolkata,Park Circus Branch nadvilaeeque@gmail.com Thank
@@realitycheck1231 So what you're saying is that your God is nothing more than an emotion. How does an emotion create the universe? How can there be an emotion without beings to feel that emotion? And from your question it sounds like you've been watching too much Donnie Darko. ua-cam.com/video/XWCTqtqLZ10/v-deo.html
@@realitycheck1231 I didn't answer your question because it's nonsensical. We did not create emotions, they come from our brains. And if we can create whatever we want then I'm going to create this universe without you in it. And where is this God / mind you speak of?
@@realitycheck1231 You said that we created fear. That is wrong. I'll ask again, where is this God / mind you speak of? What reason do you have for believing that it exists?
The whole universe is conscious and is the source of all reality - the term 'God' is how we refer to this consciousness. The universe decides on the outcomes of every event and brings all things in to being and sustains it by the laws of chance and probability. Everyone has free will to do what they choose in life , but the universe knows everyone's motivations and intentions. The universe is fundamentally nurturing and good and is never vengeful or punishing. However, it allows everyone to lead their lives as they want and eventually either reap the fruits or suffer the consequences of their actions and desires. See: Problacism.com for further information.
@@coryharasha to an observer outside this time stream our future would be easily viewable I. E I run a computer program to stimulate your whole life to you, but from my point of view the stimulation completes instantly and I can analyse it to my heart's content in my time scale but to you in the program, time would stop and start without You noticing it and it would look like a unbroken stream. Kind of like playing gta and turning it off or restarting an earlier save, the characters in game have no idea what the player is up to and see it as the unbroken flow of time whereas I the player could have stopped and even restarted hundreds of times. ..
@@counterdebate Totally makes sense. I do believe such a perspective of reality is possible. From that perspective though, the future would not be the future, but a present observation of what someone inside the simulation will eventually experience. Not sure if the one viewing from outside can interact with the simulation though without also giving up its knowledge of the future. Unless it already knows where it interacted and just follows its script as the future is known and not changeable.
@@coryharasha I suppose the one outside could stop/rewind/edit/restart the program we are within at any points it choses. The question I would ask first is why would it interact at all maybe that's not the purpose or could it be to teach/train us or itself or even maybe entertain itself
Let me see if I understand the question. Does a possible imaginary being know the future? It might be easier to ask what "his" favorite cereal is . . . Bran Flakes or Coco Puffs. Now why would anyone start with the presumption that there is a god . . . unless they already "believe', (not KNOW), that to be true? If you do, than any answer will do . . .Right?
I believe love exists. I believe the wind exists. Yet I can hold neither in my hand or show you a picture of them. Yes, I believe God exists. His fingerprints are everywhere. He particularly likes swirls for some reason. :) Edit for autocorrect: ugh. Likes not liked.
There's a universe of void, light is definition to the universe thus manifestation and creation occurs. The fundamentals of existence are: Light, energy, sound, vibration. God is creation. To deny God is denying the Sun, stars, moon, solar system, life, creation, manifestation, the temple(human body) -- expression, emotion, imagination.
@@S3RAVA3LM Are you trying to compare the personal creator God of Abraham to natural cosmic forces? Have you not been in the world and listened to people? Do you not understand their beliefs and why there is an issue with your thinking? Do you believe the person striking violently against a gay couple in the name of their God is worshiping the sun and moon?
Philosophy cannot be proven; it can only be reasoned with. I can try to prove a set of theories with with my own reasoning and logic but if there's no way I test those theories there's no way they can be proven. Science is just philosophy that can be tested and produces data.
Perhaps God makes choices and when he chooses to know the future he can and we then become deterministic beings, and if he chooses to ignore the future and not be omnipotent at times we then have free will and the choices are ours to make.
God says he declared the end from the beginnings of time ok so yes he knows all the future and to find inbetween he knows all, and he knows none other like him their is no other God like him,that he knows of no not one, whew i would not want to be God being no surprise in the future ,we cannot out God in a box of time which he has created, God is the ancient one from times gone by , from times of olden before creation of physical matter.
If God have telescope to see future, maybe telescope see free will on our side, but is seen by determinism on God side. We would have free will on our side, while God can put all of free will together as far as future goes using determinism on his side. God could see everything that happens through free will without taking away free will. God determines free will only, not determine anything else that happens.
God can know via middle knowledge all counterfactual truths about human freedom before he actualizes them in reality. Like the knowledge, If John is in “x” situation he will do “y” and not “z.” He can then actualize this scenario with his foreknowledge but this decision is still free. (That John does Y is just what John does.) God cannot actualize a scenario where John does “z” because God knows that John would never choose “z”. So, to actualize a conscious state of a person is to actualize their freedom. Human freedom delimits the possibility space of what God can feasibly actualize because John really could do “z” in a Platonic sense (there was nothing stopping him from making that choice) but since he always would do “y”, only this choice is available to God to actualize.
One thing I hate about philosophical arguments is that they can claim anything without any basis to reality at all whatsoever. Like a damn lawyer, whoever has the biggest mouth could claim their view as valid. That is why I give no credence to philosophical arguments with no evidence. Despite all that, I believe there is SOME SORT of universal consciousness behind all existence.....and I base that belief on the findings of Quantum Mechanics and Virtual Reality Theory, not clever arguments.
To know, as in here, is to perceive the timeline as a solid block, completed, which you could do if you 'lived; in a 6-D space (possible 5-D, I can't visualize it.) But while living through the timeline, it would be the continuation of the various vectors of all the preceding events as determined by the desires/will/inertia of the various entities. Free Will with the previous choicees solidified, IOW.
God exists within the limitations of spacetime and needs a telescope to see the future? Seems like a belief that God created time by creating the universe would be predicated on God's existence outside - transcendent of - time. God is therefore everytime as well as everywhere. Otherwise, eternity has to start and stop. 'The original sin is to limit the Is. Don't.' - Richard Bach
Yes, BUT, since He gave human beings Free Will, it's their responsibility to choose which direction to take, God's or Satan's. Adam and Eve chose the wrong way. When the Lord of the Second Advent appears, we have the responsibility to choose the right way by accepting and attending him.
Remember humans define(d) God. From human definition any speculation is possible.
Remember humans define(d) all ideas. From human definition any speculation is possible.
I don’t see a foreknower problem. The way I see it, it’s not that I’ll go left because he knew it, it’s that he knows it because I will.. seems to me that many people are getting it backwards. For me, it’s as if the foreknower got his knowledge about me going left by flying into the future, seeing me gone left at the fork, and then flying back into the past retaining the knowledge of what’s gonna unfold, and so he knows it because I’ll do it and not the other way around.
"There's a lot I don't know about what I don't even know exists." Isn't this what he should have led with?
Exactly! He knows nothing about "God". No one knows, ever knew or will ever know nothing about "God". Nevertheless, in times of Covid, I have nothing to do and these conversations are always interesting...
That would require intellectual honesty. I'm not certain if staunch theists are capable of that.
He appeared as a rational agnostic having inquires.
Didn't know John Malkovich was such a wizard.
"Being" John Malkovich
@@XYisnotXX Is he an Atheist.. ???
@@Honestandtruth007 you haven't seen the movie then.
You mean Leonard Susskind's cousin?
Foreknowledge doesn't deny what you couldn't do, it clerifies what you wouldn't do.
The present actions determins the future,God surely knows the future because he drives reality, but how? Thats beyond our minds to understand because God is infinite, we are not
An infinite God wouldn't "drive" a finite reality.
@@ferdinandkraft857 unless it has a purpose
What a cop-out. From your OWN God's perspective, we also are (locally) infinite.
@@ferdinandkraft857 He'd drive an Infinti...
Our loving and omnipotent God can see and knows the future...
If tomorrow a bus full of innocent children is about to have an accident and fall into a river...
Why the loving God doesn't save them?
*The same example can be giving about "Catholic priests who rape children, He knows in advance and yet God doesn't do anything to prevent it from happening".
He knows it's about to happen, but decides to watch without interfering... how loving.
GOD doesn't know the future of our personal actions. Only as a whole.
That is why there is Time here on Earth. He knows we will eventually destroy ourselves. When we do his Son & our Savior will be back to set us straight.
@@Rich-yj4ub Now God is not Omniscient anymore? Wow, that's a first. Your argument blew my mind...
"One can come up with models, but that could just be blowing hot air"....Speaking of which here's my model of God with his "time telescope"! Irony overload!
He doesn't claim to be god. We simply have no way of knowing the absolute truth so every model through which we conduct our life in the present moment will, in the future, confront with the truth that only time can manifest. I think irony is the inescapable byproduct of truth discovery. In other words, even my strongest beliefs are destined to change over time as much as I insist right now that they won't. Isn't that ironic?
@@aryaahmadi4029 Well stated! I like to say that the only truth is the unity or oneness of everything; everything else comes and goes in the infinite expanses of time. Although even unity can be mostly hidden from sight as demonstrated by humans, but I think we all feel deep down that we aren't actually separate from anything. Your thoughts, words, and actions affect me just as much as mine affect you. This very exchange of words is modifying both of our neural networks in our brains. If you can change me and I can change you, how much longer can we pretend to be independent?
@@coryharasha yep, you and I are both sides of the same coin, the observed and the observer, quantum theory.
@@aryaahmadi4029 The irony you describe bears no resemblance to what's in the video. Within the space of three sentences he goes from admitting ignorance about God's attributes, leading him to prefer an agnostic outlook, which he backs up by suggesting any models born of such ignorance would be akin to "blowing hot air"..he then immediately and without flinching completely negates all this by proffering his own model of God borne from his already self professed ignorance!
This isn't a case of being "confronted with the truth that only time can manifest". In fact he moves the opposite direction, from a position of acknowledged and legitimate ignorance into speculative claims that are the epitome of the "hot air" he himself just derided. It's more like doublespeak, he essentially said "God's attributes are unknown to me...now allow me to describe them for you".
@@sierrabianca I see your point now.
I always find it amusing whenever there is a discussion about God, be it just only discussion, how many people immediately feel the need to say there is no God like a child saying nuh uh 😂😂
Fair enough. Can’t disagree there.
Of course he knows. IMO the path we take to get there is free will, but we end up where we're supposed to be. Some people do go around the world to get to their elbows, lol. It's a learning journey for everyone on our path, as well as us.
Then why test us?
To everyone always complaining in these comment sections that the interviewees never give definitive answers...
If you came here to find answers... you're in the wrong place. If you came here to better equip yourself to approach the questions... you're home.
We get all sorts of different opinions,how does that equip anyone?
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 You don't think that being exposed to myriad opinions and way of thinking influences your own approach to questions? You and Socrates would not have gotten along.
@@Strelnikov10 i think diversity of opinions is a good thing there are 1.8 billion people who believe the Quran to be a revelation from God,does that book deserves to be scrutinized?why should all the answers come from the Bible?
@@tomorrowmaynevercome3171 What? When did I say all answers come from the bible? Personally, I don't think many answers come from the Bible. All I said is that it's valuable to hear multiple viewpoints, and this channel is exceptional at curating a wide variety of them.
@@Strelnikov10 you’re not the producer of the video nor do I have the right to point a finger at you,Most of the people interviewed are Christians as if the other major Abrahamic religion doesn’t have an opinion.if an opinion is missing from a discussion then the whole exercise is intellectual terrorism.
1. God does not have any free will if He knows for certain what He will always do.
2. God can’t be timeless because before creation there was no Creation. Create is something God would do and "would do" requires a future and a future requires time.
Perfect logic, a rare quality in this comment section.
Believers always find a "solution" to Gods problems.
As atheists find for randomness!
@@majidrashidi6227you can call it science.
@@angelmanuelvilar Lots of scientists don’t call randomness as science! Like lynn margulis, denis noble and ... . If you label everything you don’t know, random, is not a good science!
@@angelmanuelvilar and it’s good to read Cosmos and Mind by Thomas Nigel to know how randomness for everything is a very bad idea!
@@majidrashidi6227 you called it randomness...let me out of it!!if you dont mind.
I envy those people who have not even thought about these things and live peacefully. Once you ponder on these kind of questions then there is no returning back to innocence.
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Oh my God, You people are so Lame here..... Such hopeless Comment.
Do you know GOD...??????
@@Honestandtruth007 its not a matter of knowing or not knowing God, but rather simply questioning if he knows the future why then did he even make earth, adam and eve, and even put the snake in garden whilst he knew very well that they were going to eat the fruit?
The bigger question is “Is there a God.”
Pizza? Ice Cream?
No.
@@skepticli how do you know?
The moral answer is yes. Your source-hood is our god-hood.
First question for u should be wat is a "god".
*If Time is the part of the God*
God knows both nothing and everything..
Complete spectrum from nothing to everything.
This guy is a probably a good professor in the field he is in. However one may agree or disagree, he put his case well forward.
Yes, for Atheists perspective
Also, the foreknowledge/free will paradox can be resolved by simply theorizing that God knows what we will freely do in the future. Doesn’t need to be a deterministic condition. An existence outside of time would allow that.
You've just muddied the water. This is the same ol' determinism in a more confusing wording.
This would be a mere oxymoronic word game unless you posit some kind of retro causation. But if that is the case, there still would be a meta time where god didn’t know, and then he did, and you can keep adding infinite meta time lines and never fully resolve the paradox. Somewhat similar to the Gödel/Tarski stratification of formal systems.
Another problem is , if this retro causation is true, it seems to imply that the future already in some sense happened, and this contradicts our immediate response experience of the flow of time. One might be tempted to say that , we cannot perceive the future even tho we brought it into being, because the simulation was reversed including all our memories. But then this begs the question, why does God even bother with all this trickery just to “know the future that we chose freely “ ? Why can’t he just see the potential possibilities without knowing which one is picked with certainty?
The solution to me seems to be that god knows only what is there to he known, the actual, but he also knows and sees potentials and probabilities . Seeing God as more like a process rather than some static object helps us to get around this paradox. Think about it, if God knows everything including the infinite future , why bother simulating the world to begin with? It would seem totally pointless.
Without free will, there is no purpose or meaning to anything, not even to God himself. That’s my view!
In fact God does not interfere in the affairs of humans, this confirms, not disproves free will. And God knows what will happen.
Contradiction.
They talk about a hypothetical being as if it were real. That's not getting closer to truth.
Well, he got to cater to All sides of his audiens i guess🤷♂️
But, the setting are very comfortable so, ...
The question has utility in that the more details we can get people to give about the properties of god - which end up being incoherent - the more confident we can be that the original claim of this god existing is also incoherent.
This question cannot be answered without identifying who or what god is. Putting the cart before the horse.
God in every flavor, is imaginary or conspicuously absent and detached from us. Invalid question.
If you wrote this with your own free will, then God is closer than you realize.
@@Savantjazzcollective Easy fix. Theist are fond of telling you they're right. But not a one can back it. They just blabber. Show me. Any one of you. Show me your God. Imaginary friends are a dime a dozen.
@@danielpaulson8838 ok, come over to my house and I'll show you.
@@Nissenov just like your reply, its an illusion of free will. so in fact you and your thoughts are determined to never believe, therefore, there is no convincing an automaton is there....
@@Nissenov I don't believe in 'free will' per se. I believe more in 'free won't'. Its shown that the brain reacts when making a choice, lending credence to the notion of a biological informed decision. But when one restrains themselves then there is no brain activity. I personally believe that our consciousness is separate to our biology, and therefore it is up to us to control and master our biology through our conscious restraint. Thats why we are guilty of a crime for example, it's not simply determined by our biology, we have a moral duty to restrain ourselves, otherwise we would all raping and pillaging like we used to do if we let our 'earth suit' dominate.
God is present past and future so no question.,.
The reverb leads me to believe that David IS god...
Lol for real!
LOL, I jumped to comments just so that I could find this comment. 😂😂
If God knows the future, then he is powerless to change it. Discuss.
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And if He doesn't, then He is not omniscient. Checkmate.
Just only to understand at human level how God can know the future and if God knows already then what is Free Will.
We can think this way that at the beginning of our universe God played virtually the whole story of the universe including living things at fast forward mode in seconds and erased our memory. God may be did it just to adjust the chases at macro level that we were making for free will from micro level so that God can keep the universe going fine up to end. Then he replayed the story again to make it a witness to us what we are doing, so that on the judgement day after destruction of the universe, we will not be able to deny what we have done in this worldly life being given free will though there was strict guidance and commandments from God for us. Its a documentation process going on. Humanly we can understand this way about God's foreknowledge and our free will . Does it make sense Mr Robert?
What a bunch of crap.
I have a cartoon on my wall of God talking to his angels and saying; I'm feed up of you Yes-Guys, i'm going to create free-will!
And another cartoon of an Angel saying, "I think they are going to need more help than Freewill."
It's not that you "couldn't" have done otherwise, it's that you "wouldn't" have done otherwise in the same exact set if circumstances. You willed not to do the other thing. Good knew what you "would" not do and what you would do.
Even us after we will separate from our body and we crossed over to the other side, we can see the future because we are ONE with God.
@@JH-KU Like us, animals have consciousness as well. You will meet your pet in the spiritual realm as well. Like I said we all belong to ONR cosmic consciousness .
No one actually knows what actually will happen, however the Mind of Infinity knows all the possibilities of chaos. Anytime traveler could have awareness of the future. Free will is exactly why no one knows what choices that life form will make, just the probabilities.
David Hunt is John Malkovich. Change my mind.
Yes , he's 👽👍
He is "Being John Malkovich"
Good movie by the way!
I think the counterfactual model makes the most sense.
knowing the future is not such a big deal once the 2 forms of time(forward and backward) are recognised. G-D created time at big bang, so why would he not know the future? There is no problem of Determinism V Freewill either, because the 2 forms of time allow both concepts to co-exist.
The human assumed *nonsense* about God needing to be Omniscient, Omnipotent, and Omnibenevolent, etc., is precisely what fuels the skepticism of atheists and materialists in regards to the existence of God. And the point is that God does not need to possess any of those attributes in order to create a context of reality (a universe) that is capable of awakening us into existence.
Yes, two ways as in your comment, the first way - brutal knowledge - as a matter of fact excludes the possibility of having free will. The second - a simple observation of the future - considers the possibility of having free will because you SUPPLY INFORMATION to God when He observes you from the past. However in the second case the observed future is the future that will REALLY happen in the future, God is thus supposed NOT to modify it.
Geez does David look like John Malkovich.
One of the reasons I clicked the thumbnail.
@@Bioroid I was gonna not click it until i saw it wasn't.😂😂
The Christian God is defined as a personal being who knows everything. According to Christians, personal beings have free will.
In order to have free will, you must have more than one option, each of which is avoidable. This means that before you make a choice, there must be a state of uncertainty during a period of potential: you cannot know the future. Even if you think you can predict your decision, if you claim to have free will, you must admit the potential (if not the desire) to change your mind before the decision is final.
A being who knows everything can have no "state of uncertainty." It knows its choices in advance. This means that it has no potential to avoid its choices, and therefore lacks free will. Since a being that lacks free will is not a personal being, a personal being who knows everything cannot exist.
Therefore, the Christian God does not exist. - Dan Barker -
Okay, I get the idea. I think and act out my life with the belief I have free will. It should make no difference to me whether I have free will because I believe I do, so therefore I can make what I think are choices. The only thing that changes is the existence of a foreknower.
But, if that god reveals itself to me in anyway at all, whether by personal revelation or the testimony of another, I then become aware of the foreknower. Now that I am aware of a foreknower I must recognize that it knows my choices, and that going forward I have no choice to alter them. The ability to change outcome requires free will. I can only hold that I have free will if I also hold that my choices cannot be foreknown.
I don't see how one can both believe in free will and believe in a foreknower. The awareness of the latter eliminates the former.
This seems overly simple, but it seems free will denies deism.
One doesn't have to go as far as God, to ask the question of free will and time. We can look at General Relativity and the Block Universe. Or even simpler, look at our present self and past self. We already know what our past self has done. We have a recording of the choices already made. But does this mean we didn't have free will? What is the semantics, associated meanings, around the whole discussion on free will and time?
Multiverse theory is every possible version of reality, meaning our past and future, existing in all at once. We just don't experience all of it at once for the same reason that we can't travel to other dimensions unless we change form.
Moral accountability would not be a problem if Moses had taught responsibility to the Jews, if Jesus had taught responsibility to the Christians, if Mohammed had taught responsibility to the Muslims, if Buddha had taught responsibility to the Buddhists, and if Lao Tzu had taught responsibility to the Taoists.
The Answer to this is YES and NO.
As to Achilles. (Assuming a He) His Journey, Including Any Race he Participates in began Long before He Existed. Of course, What is it to Win?.
Hence I suggest Any Earth Lifeform is much Bigger than Any One Life Period, The Journey of Life's.
As to Does God Allow Freedom without Responsibility? (ie :- God is Always to Blame).
Well Our History Repeatedly Shows Both Freedoms and Responsibilities and as much as We can Tell about Our Human History Both have Always Occured. Admittedly with Great Loss and Varying Time Scales between Freedoms and Responsibilities. Hence maybe God is the Great Educator as well. ( ie Educate Yourself or Suffer).
The only thing that has a chance of being God is Truth.
@Daniel Paulson 😂😂To be sure! Different spiritual perspectives still have a chance: no progress will be made until religion is understood to be equivalent to fascism.
@Daniel Paulson "Mental sanctity" has loads of potential👍
Does God exist at all? I don't know, but is our world one which an all knowing and merciful God create? If God wanted the best for us would then he put us in this environment.
To realise God , proper vission is needed. This can only be achieved by ultimate Wisdom of materialistic existence from zero to infinity or by absolute meditation.
Such type of questions then will become irrelevant.
Do you have to be mad to practice this maditation?
@@Nissenov I think you are not receiving the concepts as I mean to say. The formless but the creator of this physical world as observer of all (by all means) in the form of matter_energy, the laws and the consciousness includes the time as well. How the questions like present, past & future can be associated with the God.
I am very sorry to say the God is above the all times.
Thank you very much for commenting like this.
@@DrShripalSharma Oh I ment No harm, or disrespect. You just wrote (Mad)itation instead of meditation. And I just tried to make some fun of that. Not fun in an evil way, just a light hearted joke✌️
Our faith, "which is the belief of the majority of Christians, at least in this point," that God knows everything in the past, present, and future. Rather, we call it an adjective such as that He is above time and space. But the question that I can never skip is: Why is God surprised, meaning why does he feel anger, joy and sadness? ..etc. Example: Why did he feel sad after drowning the whole earth in the days of Noah? This does not make sense. Is it the difference between an idea and a test? I'm not sure but that makes no sense anyway
Wait. Apart from content, has NO ONE noticed that this guy is a DEAD RINGER for John Malkovich?!? It's uncanny!
God would know all that is “necessary” to know. Past or future. She/He doesn’t need to know what I choose to have for breakfast/lunch/dinner today. That’s part of free will that’s not necessary for anyone but myself to know (or decide).
Which god?
How is it possible, while Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it change forms. From it's highest Potential to it's Lowest Kenitic, it all correlates.
If GOD knows all. From beginning to end. He knows our future. Doesn't take away free will. He just knows the ending.
Spoiler Alert 📢 😳 😐 😑
God Wins. . .
Then if he knows the future, why did he create some losers that he knows they will end up in hell
The problem is that Mr. Hunt's God is also the creator, not just just an observer. As such he creates all conditions which lead to any action. Therefore it is him who is ultimately responsible for everything.
He creates a scenario of choice perhaps, putting an agent in a situation where a choice must be made. But that’s not the same thing as determining his choices! And God knowing what the agent will do does not take away from the fact that the agent is the one doing it and “could have” done otherwise; God need not secretly completely compel the will in every choice.
@@mattsigl1426 But he doesn't just "put" the agent in a situation. He creates both the agent and the situation. Well, he creates everything for that matter. And fully knows all outcomes. It's like running a puppet show and then rewarding (or punishing) the puppets for their "actions".
From the still photo I thought it was John Malkovich. What would he know of God?
Asking a man what God knows....... 😂😂🤷♂️
Everything 👌👽
Nothing
If God knows the future then God knows God's future, what kind of hell would that be?
It depends on the mentality of each individual and his influenced informations, how to answer this question. If you were left a space to doubt, you will even doubt reality. If you were left no space to doubt, you will behave accordingly to your teachings.
So the problem is not based on the truth, but on the teachings depending on the enforcement of its nature. Consciousness has evolutionized with the person, informations are like nutritions for the brain.
When you postulate a god that can do anythig by definition it’s hard to disprove it, but even so some things seem wrong. If the universe was simply created by god and he has the power to compute everything it happens being simply a like a powerful computer that does every single calculaton that seesm possible, and he exists in a parallel universe. But the problem is it doesn’t seem possible to control what happens in his universe unless you postulate again that the universe he lives in has laws that alows him to do this. This is simply like a hypothesis of the world as a simulation made by some entity. There’s still nothing but a hypothesis. Then lots of other problems like the one mentioned we don’t seem to have free will.
Free will is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence although we have the feeling it’s real
How utterly ludicrous to believe this question has any meaning .
Which god?
In my opinion if there is a God he must be omniscient, he knows everything, past present, future and even things that are not related to time.
Does he know with absolute certainty what he will do in the future? If not then he is not all knowing and if yes then since that choice is absolutely certain, he cannot change it hence he has no freewill. So you are left with either a thing that doesn’t know all or doesn’t have freewill choice. Doesn’t seem too godly?
If god knows everything beforehand then there should not be any hell as it would be very unfair.
@@mohdbilalabbasi Depends. What if God is evil.? Look at the world he created. A world that is hell for some. An unfair world. A world where some have good lives, while others in torture and dread looks at those good lives, without the possibility to get such a life. He made chokolate poisoness for dogs. He made psycodelics that are fun to take, but also poisoness and unhealthy. He made diseases hit some, and others go free. He made us hate eachother because of race, religion, political standpoints, sexual orientation. Etc. etc.
Hell looks exactly like a place, such a God would make.
@@Nissenov well said. The world is indeed a very unfair place.
I believe that if God exists, or superior entity or pure energy whatever we want to call It, it's neither good nor evil, those two things lie within us.
So maybe there is not heaven and hell, but just an afterlife where we reconnect as energy.
That's my opinion.
I'm pretty sure that we're never going to find out everything certain about that, but it's such a compelling topic to discuss and hear different opinions from different cultures, beliefs, scientists, philosophers and so on..
I'm glad I came across this channel.
If all of life is an algorithm, and God knows all of life's algorithms, then God will already know where this life will lead. Everything humans do has algorithms known. All algorithms are interconnected. Produces a known result. God designed this life. God created messengers as superior algorithms to human algorithms. And this life algorithm has been designed to lead in a certain direction.
ANSWER: A LIVING pattern that exist outside a [bracketed determinate Box] of matter. A gardener.... nurturing such material to a point of ...
Assumption:
[Reality] in terms of Infinity may be expanding in a continuous NOW and Past...
and NOT already existing Past WITH Future.
Thus, KEY Future points can be predicted but the PATH and potential of EMERGENCE from stated [Reality] may still occur.
If God knows the future, then he already knew what would happen with Adam and Eve. That would suggest that we are nothing more than His playthings.
That possible, I can see that (I've played GTA too), but we could also be an experiment or just loved pets or even greatness invention...
God's creation of us was a selfless act. He wanted us to experience the love He has experienced in the Trinity, the Godhead, via relationships and engagement with the rest of His creation. He is Love. Love is not an attribute but His essence. Every act of his is ultimately and act of love.
@@SamOgilvieJr... and YOU speak for Him do you!
Cause last time we talked, He didn't mention you! 🤣
@@counterdebate, He spoke through the Bible. It has nothing to do with me.
@@SamOgilvieJr er which Bible? Or should I say which Bible did YOU chose that HE spoke through 🤣
Humanity's initial state of ignorance is entirely the point of experience and revelation.
Robert, I love your show, but it would really be helpful if you could eliminate the digital delay (aka reverb) in the audio tracks.
Base on Quran God says even he known a leaf of a tree that it will fall, so God knows everything for simple reason, time is a creation, and God power is not limited by his creation
Don't wonder at those who are good without god, instead pity those who need god to be good.
God only knows itself. It needs our minds to know the world
The sound is just that bad :(
The future isn’t “the future” to God. It’s just what he created, (including the outcome of all instances of freedom) he actualized. God doesn’t change at all. At all. He doesn’t have mental states. (Perhaps he has a one “mental state” but no more.)
We've build a straw man from the mist of time, and I comport itself with baggeges, some of us attribute him positive tones some not but we need God anyway without him everything is possible?????
There is no need for a "God." He/she/it has nothing to do...
The more power you build into a god. The easier it is too tear the idea too shreds.
For one. The gods never seem too be able too do anything more than small miracles. Look at Jesus. He had too start with just a small group of just 12 followers. His miracles were selective and very limited in scope. Not what you would expect from the son of a god that created everything.
But this lack of real power seems too be consistent with their god existing only in their own mind.
Prediction: My pencil is going to snap into 2 pieces...
(Snaps pencil with fingers)...
Outcome: God can do anything... If God wants...
I think the better question then is to ask...
Would God want to know every little thing?
If so, then existence maybe would not be as interesting without surprises.
then you have to think, at what level of awareness is optimal?
You may find right here, right now is where we like to exist.
And I think God's will is the playbook to which every angel orchestrates into fate.
God knows everything but he doesn't know that. Perfectly reasonable...😬
Didn't he know, he was creating a killer machine from the outset that's the greatest handicap wasn't he facing? Constantly ask myself could done any better in life.... That question applicable unto him and a, valid point too..
God things manifest at point ov perfection.
Wenn we walk too that itts by design.
Therfor yes he knows.
The idea of God anticipating the future reminds me of an author writing a novel. Which is an overused example. These guys use the concept of a time telescope. I like to imagine it a little more complex. I like the idea of a simulated reality because it seems so much more probable than not. and if a quantum computer could simulate lot of probabilities in a fraction of time than it would take a human mind then we would have multiple potential universes with multiple different finite and infinite eventualities. What I find most mind blowing about this thought is if all possibilities exist then it would be probable that a base reality would replicate itself iver and over again. each time it would happen time would be divided as well creating multiple quantum universes each one faster than the reality it was created in. our actions would echo forever. base reality would star to move slower and slower in comparison to every replication. If you could project a probable world that is still to be potentially be created. you could implant that program with godlike information. information from events that have already passed in the previous iteration of time. free will would then only be actual in a base reality but since we would be reflections of that base reality we wouldn't be able to decipher the difference. If we were paused in a base reality we would never consciously experience it in the simulation. each universe would be more and more microscopic. like a mandelbraught... Starts to sound a lot like the movie antman but with computer's and quantum digital information. But if this is true and we are the replication of base reality then it would dictate that we are destined to create a universal record of our existance at some point in the future. If we divert from that potential probability then our information doesn't repeat and our simulated reality would be finite. and we would he doomed to repeat that inevitable fate repeatedly without conscious awareness of it.
It's like a catch 22. you do have free will or at least perceive your logical progression of decisions based on information provided but at the same time the event is repeated and the outcome known. Imagine the resonant frequencies that permeate everything around us are manipulated in other planes of a digital existance and are quantum entangled in a way we've never conceptualized before.
This of course could provide the argument that base reality is something entirely alien from what we experience. could a species possess the ability to perceive all frequencies and naturally understand them and manipulate them the way our throats manipulate air to transmit audio messages. IDK but going down the rabbit hole is always a wonderous journey. Keeping alive possibility outside the edges of the known is what makes life worth living. Discovering them and knowing them is the pursuit of giving life substance. Y is the most important variable. It is the beginning of every question and the prelude to knowledge. It is full of infinite potential but also defines something as seperate from.
Let's take a panpsychist approach: as materialized consciousness (from an electron, an atom, a molecule or a cell to a tree, a spider or a human), God cannot know the future; as pure consciousness (dwelling in Nothingness), God can know all the futures (all the threads or paths in the multiverse) but not which path will be chosen by a conscious agent (by every materialized consciousness)
@Turito Bassu Perhaps God (pure or disembodied consciousness, the eternal inhabitant of Nothingness) is experiencing what it is to be in a carnal dress, what means to be outside timeless and spaceless Nothingness in each and every possibility. Maybe for fun, or out of curiosity, or both. Or for something unimaginable. picandovoyenglish.wordpress.com/2020/06/07/conclusions-of-between-nothingness-and-wholeness-consciousness-and-evolution-in-the-multiverse/
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EXPANDING UNIVERSE.
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At around the same time, larger telescopes were being built that were able to accurately measure the spectra, or the intensity of light as a function of wavelength, of faint objects.
It is clearly mentioned in Holy Qur'an :
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Humanity created such a fancy that makes god as a real entity!
If he DOES know the future, then he's powerless to change it. If he DOESN'T know the future, then he's not omniscient.
@@realitycheck1231 So I'm as powerful as God? Cool! Although I'd say that I'm actually more powerful. I actually exist.
@@realitycheck1231 So what you're saying is that your God is nothing more than an emotion. How does an emotion create the universe? How can there be an emotion without beings to feel that emotion?
And from your question it sounds like you've been watching too much Donnie Darko. ua-cam.com/video/XWCTqtqLZ10/v-deo.html
@@realitycheck1231 I didn't answer your question because it's nonsensical. We did not create emotions, they come from our brains. And if we can create whatever we want then I'm going to create this universe without you in it. And where is this God / mind you speak of?
@@realitycheck1231 You said that we created fear. That is wrong. I'll ask again, where is this God / mind you speak of? What reason do you have for believing that it exists?
The whole universe is conscious and is the source of all reality - the term 'God' is how we refer to this consciousness. The universe decides on the outcomes of every event and brings all things in to being and sustains it by the laws of chance and probability. Everyone has free will to do what they choose in life , but the universe knows everyone's motivations and intentions. The universe is fundamentally nurturing and good and is never vengeful or punishing. However, it allows everyone to lead their lives as they want and eventually either reap the fruits or suffer the consequences of their actions and desires. See: Problacism.com for further information.
Yes also I presume what you meant was "does God know OUR future?"
What is the future but an imaginary idea that can never be observed by definition? If it is observed, it is no longer the future, but the present.
@@coryharasha to an observer outside this time stream our future would be easily viewable
I. E I run a computer program to stimulate your whole life to you, but from my point of view the stimulation completes instantly and I can analyse it to my heart's content in my time scale but to you in the program, time would stop and start without You noticing it and it would look like a unbroken stream.
Kind of like playing gta and turning it off or restarting an earlier save, the characters in game have no idea what the player is up to and see it as the unbroken flow of time whereas I the player could have stopped and even restarted hundreds of times. ..
@@counterdebate Totally makes sense. I do believe such a perspective of reality is possible. From that perspective though, the future would not be the future, but a present observation of what someone inside the simulation will eventually experience. Not sure if the one viewing from outside can interact with the simulation though without also giving up its knowledge of the future. Unless it already knows where it interacted and just follows its script as the future is known and not changeable.
@@coryharasha I suppose the one outside could stop/rewind/edit/restart the program we are within at any points it choses.
The question I would ask first is why would it interact at all maybe that's not the purpose or could it be to teach/train us or itself or even maybe entertain itself
Let me see if I understand the question. Does a possible imaginary being know the future?
It might be easier to ask what "his" favorite cereal is . . . Bran Flakes or Coco Puffs.
Now why would anyone start with the presumption that there is a god . . . unless they already "believe', (not KNOW), that to be true? If you do, than any answer will do . . .Right?
HEY! What about Captain Crunch? Mmmm, heavenly sweetness.
I believe love exists. I believe the wind exists. Yet I can hold neither in my hand or show you a picture of them. Yes, I believe God exists. His fingerprints are everywhere. He particularly likes swirls for some reason. :) Edit for autocorrect: ugh. Likes not liked.
@@purpleflametarot39 Everyone experiences love and wind. Those are not in question.
There's a universe of void, light is definition to the universe thus manifestation and creation occurs.
The fundamentals of existence are: Light, energy, sound, vibration.
God is creation.
To deny God is denying the Sun, stars, moon, solar system, life, creation, manifestation, the temple(human body) -- expression, emotion, imagination.
@@S3RAVA3LM Are you trying to compare the personal creator God of Abraham to natural cosmic forces? Have you not been in the world and listened to people? Do you not understand their beliefs and why there is an issue with your thinking? Do you believe the person striking violently against a gay couple in the name of their God is worshiping the sun and moon?
Did he really prove anything?? I didn’t hear it so.
Philosophy cannot be proven; it can only be reasoned with. I can try to prove a set of theories with with my own reasoning and logic but if there's no way I test those theories there's no way they can be proven. Science is just philosophy that can be tested and produces data.
Perhaps God makes choices and when he chooses to know the future he can and we then become deterministic beings, and if he chooses to ignore the future and not be omnipotent at times we then have free will and the choices are ours to make.
So God can stop being God, for a while? How does He get back to God-like status after relinquishing it?
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That would be up to him.
God says he declared the end from the beginnings of time ok so yes he knows all the future and to find inbetween he knows all, and he knows none other like him their is no other God like him,that he knows of no not one, whew i would not want to be God being no surprise in the future ,we cannot out God in a box of time which he has created, God is the ancient one from times gone by , from times of olden before creation of physical matter.
If God have telescope to see future, maybe telescope see free will on our side, but is seen by determinism on God side. We would have free will on our side, while God can put all of free will together as far as future goes using determinism on his side. God could see everything that happens through free will without taking away free will. God determines free will only, not determine anything else that happens.
God can know via middle knowledge all counterfactual truths about human freedom before he actualizes them in reality. Like the knowledge, If John is in “x” situation he will do “y” and not “z.” He can then actualize this scenario with his foreknowledge but this decision is still free. (That John does Y is just what John does.) God cannot actualize a scenario where John does “z” because God knows that John would never choose “z”. So, to actualize a conscious state of a person is to actualize their freedom. Human freedom delimits the possibility space of what God can feasibly actualize because John really could do “z” in a Platonic sense (there was nothing stopping him from making that choice) but since he always would do “y”, only this choice is available to God to actualize.
I didn't know John Malkovich was a philosopher!
Malkovich is everything.
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If that is a Biblical reference, you're on the wrong channel. Try "Superstition 101,"
So if God knows the future of every human, what is the role of mind? where is the free will? and why he set hell and heaven?
One thing I hate about philosophical arguments is that they can claim anything without any basis to reality at all whatsoever.
Like a damn lawyer, whoever has the biggest mouth could claim their view as valid.
That is why I give no credence to philosophical arguments with no evidence.
Despite all that, I believe there is SOME SORT of universal consciousness behind all existence.....and I base that belief on the findings of Quantum Mechanics and Virtual Reality Theory, not clever arguments.
Question is whether to know is to predestine?
To know, as in here, is to perceive the timeline as a solid block, completed, which you could do if you 'lived; in a 6-D space (possible 5-D, I can't visualize it.) But while living through the timeline, it would be the continuation of the various vectors of all the preceding events as determined by the desires/will/inertia of the various entities. Free Will with the previous choicees solidified, IOW.
Would it help to know that Heaven is in a different Realm. Time does not exist in heaven.
Is immortality possible?
God exists within the limitations of spacetime and needs a telescope to see the future? Seems like a belief that God created time by creating the universe would be predicated on God's existence outside - transcendent of - time. God is therefore everytime as well as everywhere. Otherwise, eternity has to start and stop. 'The original sin is to limit the Is. Don't.' - Richard Bach
Is immortality possible in reality?bcoz some scientists successfuly achieved reverse aging..like in Israel's latest research..
Yes
Yes, BUT, since He gave human beings Free Will, it's their responsibility to choose which direction to take, God's or Satan's. Adam and Eve chose the wrong way. When the Lord of the Second Advent appears, we have the responsibility to choose the right way by accepting and attending him.
If God "knows" the future, then is he free to change it?