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WOOKIE FIGHT | The Acolyte Ep 1x7 Reaction & Review | Star Wars on Disney+
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When Mae was being tested and said "Mama said everyone's gotta be sacrificed...", it really shows the peril of interrogating a child. That's NOT what was said at the ceremony.
And it's not as though "sacrifice" isn't a metaphor in Jedi philosophy as well.
The turning into smoke thing is how they teleport. Aniseye was taking Mae and trying to teleport to Osha. The Jedi didn't recognize what was happening.
Exactly, the Jedi have a narrow view of the Force and felt they were taking the life of the child. Or absorbing her. That just isn't the case.
Totally agree with you, just wondered if you feel the same as me about this next part I'm going to mention.
Another thing I notice a lot of people don't understand is what it would be like for a potential teacher to show up at your home late at night and demand they take your kids from you that night when the choice hasn't even been made official. I mean, she's got a whole other mother she needs to make comfortable with the choice, and two children who really need to be talked to, so they don't part on bad terms.
Plus, once again, middle of the night. I think most parents would just have red flags about it not being able to wait until morning. If people break into my home two times in a row and ask for my kids I'm calling the police, not handing them over to join a crazy cult like the Jedi.
I think that, like Sol, you guys missed the meaning behind Aniseya's words. When she says that the Jedi were foolish to come back to the enclave, she means because the rest of the witches are spoiling for a fight and they are already pissed at her for her decision to let Osha go. She's standing here telling Korril "no violence" but Korril isn't listening and the witches are armed and ready. Then the Jedi _break in_ (again) making those women feel threatened, which Aniseya can feel, and she hasn't had the time to calm them down and reason with them. And THAT is why she is saying that their noble intentions are going to get them all killed someday because they are _dealing_ with the coven, they are just forcing their way in and getting people riled up.
Indara puts it best: they rushed in without thinking about the consequences of their reactions.
Well said.
This. Plus the fire acted the way it did because it got into the circuitry, that's why it was causing explosions along the generators and the main reactor in the big room with all the witches and Mae/Osha on the bridge.
Also the “it will get you all killed one day” eluding to episode 3 and order 66😢
@@stevendevries3279 electrical fires are no joke
Okay let's play the logic game then.
Electric fires still don't cause stone to combust and ignite when was the last time you saw concrete combust into flames?
The witches were never going to let osha go so this would've caused conflict no matter what.
The witches influenced Mae into becoming angry which then led to the fire.
Also the only jedi showing aggression was Torbin and they showed us earlier they can shut that boy down with a thought.
The witches entered a jedi mind apparently not knowing they can all have their necks force broken from it?
Idk. The witches didn't make sense, the jedi didn't make sense.
The show is just a bad show, and that's okay you can like a bad show. But it's still a bad show. Just stop trying to convince everyone else it's not a bad show.
"Indara did nothing wrong." Literally killed 99% of the coven by cutting the thread while Kelnacca was possessed.
Sacrifice: To make sacred.
Little kid didn't know/understand that though and the jedi of course took that the wrong way.
So much for the power of many. They lost to 1 jedi lady
if any one could it would be trinity
people not fully trained vs a master. Just pruge them from their mind.
@@alexworoniecki7231 so the saying should be "the power of practice, the power of trained, the power of masteryyyy" hahaha.
Fully on board with most of the commentary here, except for one thing.
I don't think Mae and Osha are flipping on a dime to extremes, but rather it being shown that they are really straddling the line in the middle. Neither one is really that light or dark, in themselves...
Like Osha being "influenced to the dark side"... what did she really do that was extreme? She put on his helmet. She didn't unalive anything. She showed emotion, but then also showed restraint. Middle.
Mae, she was being whipped into a fervor by Mom2, "Rage is your fuel"... and she was tapping into that, but once the fire started, we see her resolve immediately fades. Same as when she decides, "Hey, I'm not really feeling this whole dsrk side thing, I can turn myself in"... and then Jekki's reaction pushing her away from her plan of peacefully surrendering.
But yeah... this whole storyline, I can't see them sticking this landing in a satisfactory way
I think you bring some fair and balanced commentary on the show
The fire was causing issues in the control panel. Early on in the episode, the Jedi said that the fortress was an old mining camp.
As an electrican, if the electrical work wasn't up to snuff, and I would guess a coven of Witches are not tradespeople, then I think the fire could have caused some electrical fuckery and fires that could have blown the whole place.
I think that might be one of those things that can entirely happen in real life, but in a story just feels kinda convenient without more set up as to the mechanism it does that with.
@@troikas3353 true. Maybe Mae breaking the controls was part of it? But yeah, it seemed like it should have been mentioned that there were problems with the temple or something like that.
It is not super satisfying storywise, but it is something possible.
yup, electrical fires are no joke.
@@playlistb3795 If you watch closely, when Osha climbed through the wall and looks at the generator, you see an electrical fire making its way through the wires to the generator.
Yup. If the place was listed as not suppporting life a century before, the wiring is *AT LEAST* 100 years old, plus the unknown amount of years it was previously functioning as a mining facility.
The witches dying this way is not as bad as Amadala dying of a broken heart...
Oh, dang... point.
somebody said torbin went to the hayden christensen school of lightsaber serving 😭
🤣🤣 I love that lol
Loved the reference to the Hyperspace disaster. The event that kicked off this whole era of content.
I jumped out of my seat when I heard that.
Seven weeks on Brendok, and they hadn't yet told Torbin why they were there.
Seven weeks on Brendok, with technology snooping devices and all being Force sensitive, yet the Jedi hadn't found a big damn castle with its own high technology and full of Force sensitives... _within walking distance of their camp._
In the end, Sol told Osha, "Mae started a fire." She did...but how did he know?
They showed Mae standing at the door crying for help, then she started going smokey. They also showed Sol erroneously call her "Osha," so I guess the implication is that he erroneously thought Mother Aniseya was harming her, so he responded by immediately killing the Aniseya.
I also guess we're supposed to presume Torbin was thinking unclearly because Mother Aniseya's suggestion was still affecting his mind.
*seven weeks. They were there to figure out how a "lifeless" planet could be thriving, to me it seemed like Torbin knew that.
Mae comes running out to Aniseya, Koril, Sol and Torbin screaming "Fire! Help me!" and Sol had sensed Osha and Mae's confrontation earlier.
That's what I think too, Mae talked earlier about "being sacrificed" and with Sol thinking the girls were in danger, he must've assumed that Aniseya was going to harm "Osha" (Mae).
Wasn't walking distance they used speeders to get there. They even go out of their way to show how fast they were going on those things.
PS - Seeing the castle wouldn't really mean much, it's a ruin from before the hyperspace disaster, they'd have to look closer to see it's inhabited.
@@davidbodor1762 Remember the witches walked to the Jedi camp with two little girls. And, yes, the castle would mean a _lot._ They are Force-sensitive and the castle was full of Force-sensitive people, including two girls who were incredibly Force-sensitive. They had been within walking distance of a coven of Force-sensitive witches...and detected nothing? The castle was powered...and the Jedi's equipment detected nothing? Seriously? How did they expect to find anything on an entire planet if they could be within walking distance of technology and Force-use for seven weeks...and detect _nothing?_
Re: Sol having trouble holding both halves of the bridge. I chalk it up to him being exhausted (both physically and emotionally) from having to fight for his life against Kelnacca two minutes ago
Why not release both halves and just grab the children? Why not do that from the start? are we supposed to assume he was conflicted because he wanted to save children but he realised that Mae was a sociopath from her responses earlier, her being tied to the "thread" through the ceremony, and seeing her force fucking with an animal so he chose to let her die and that was what upset him?
@@phr00tpie Why didn't Darth Vader just grab the Falcon on its way out of Echo Base? He was more than capable. Look, we can sit and nitpick it to death. It was a split second grab, he grabbed the bridges and believing the Force was calling him to Osha AND knowing that Mae just watched him murder their mother and that Osha didn't see it, he chose to let Mae fall believing she would die.
@@icehawk86 He was not more than capable. That ability only came from real world stories being written long after stories that canonically came well before and therefore falling victim to writers wanting to go bigger and more impressive with the abilities shown. I'm not nit picking i'm trying to understand the motives involved since they are not clear from the writing. I don't mean they need to say "i am doing this because of these events" I mean that character motivations and drives should be developed more clearly in the scenes that make it into the final production.
If Sol was able to hold the bridge _at all,_ he was capable of grabbing the children. We'll just have to chalk that up to his continuing string of stupid decisions and actions in this episode.
I don’t like talking negative about shows but this episode was lackluster and should have implemented present day events with flashbacks of the actual events of the pasts and tied them together to lead into the FINAL EPISODE.
After this episode I am 10000000000% ready for the finale episode of this season to not wrap much up and leave cliffhangers for a second season where they do the same mistakes with episode pacing.
The mother tried to take her child away from the fight that was about to ensue.
Sol killed a Mother trying to save her child.
No wonder the Jedi have so much guilt about what happened.
It's not rocket science
'Then why start by saying you shouldn't have come here' Because they shouldn't have because the others wouldn't have understood. She was going to bring her out herself in secret most likely. The Jedi coming there caused the disaster.
Why is their mind control shady, but Jedi Mind control isn't?
OK I get that Sol was scared because he only saw them training the girls for combat and nothing of the good things, but also: Jedi take children from their homes from such an early age they literally can't remember their parents and starts training them for battle immediatly. I still think it shows how prejudiced (and hypocritical) he was that when he saw someone else doing that he immediatly thought they must be evil or they aren't treating the children properly.
Like, It may not be what the show is trying to say but it is how I see it.
A lot of the scenes are slightly different, the witches more aggressive, etc... because it's from Sol's POV and he saw what he wanted/feared... and jumped to his own conclusions.
When you realise all started because of misinterpreted informations and biased understanding
No, they weren't supposed to come back in the middle of the night for Osha
I'm on very much the same page as you both, except I don't think we know Osha went to the dark side. All she did is try on a helmet. I realize it could be taken as symbolic, but I didn't see/feel any other impression that she'd actually turned, I just thought she wanted to try out the sensory deprivation aspects of the helmet.
Granted, the music at the time certainly seemed to want us to interpret it as meaningful, so maybe that's just another moment that needed polishing. This series does very much have a first draft feel to it.
It works if you remember that 80 years back, all non-female Jedi were highly emotional nincompoops.
My big question is how does Sol know that Mae started the fire. We see it from Osha and Mae but Sol wasn’t there yet. He fights and then stuff is blowing up, be he never sees what starts it. Honestly we don’t either. Mae starts the fire but how it spreads to blowing up the facility is a big mystery.
I agree this works enough yet there is a lack of true satisfaction. One thing was as cool as the Jedi fight is, we had like the ultimate fight between Qimir and the Jedi so this seems a downgrade in action not a ramping up.
For Kelnacca I kinda like the theory that the witches entered his mind and Indara allowed Kelnacca to regain control but the witches' minds were then trapped in Kelnacca. This is why Kelnacca goes into hiding and draws the coven symbols as he is constantly suppressing the witches minds within him and fears losing control.
The fire, what I saw was it started to short out the power cables and started basically following the cables into the main generator. Also the place is old, and from age it predates the hyperspace disaster, and so the generator might be on the verge of blowing up all the time. It didn't have a huge problem with it.
As someone that is sensitive to spiraling social situations where everyone is acting on their own impulses and not talking or clarifying things, seeing the spiral out of control as each person was consumed by their own desires and outlook worked ok for me. Sure if everyone takes a breath and acts rationally things would probably be fine. But that's not how it works in RL, people don't act rationally, they don't try to talk. It's each raindrop contributes to a rising flood. No one person thinks they are to blame for the flood as they are in the right. I have seen this type if situation way too much.
Now did Mae misspeak about sacrifice or was this literal that Mae and Osha would be sacrificed to give the coven power/eternal life/cookies through the power of a vergence? Eh I think there is deliberate ambiguity so each viewer can see what they want.
I think this ep would be great...as ep 4 or 5, but as the penultimate it was eh ok, fine, can we get back to Osha in the helmet and Qimir swimming? There is a LOT we need in ep 8, so it needs to be like a 2 hour movie, but maybe this intended as season 1 and we will indeed be left wanting.
15:15 - I think the fire destroyed a section of the circuit and overheated the generator. This is an old mining base from before the Hyperspace disaster.
The Jedi being scared makes sense but a High Republic Jedi immediately pulling their saber like Sol did doesn't make sense. They're trained to only pull their sabers in certain situations, not when they're scared. The whole show to me was written by someone who doesn't understand Star Wars lore (or good writing).
I respectfully have to disagree. It's been shown again and again that Sol impulsively acts on his emotions, which just makes him a flawed Jedi (imo a much more interesting character than a stoic, "perfect" Jedi).
He activates his saber only after seeing Mae start turning into smoke.
With the Jedi's narrow-minded understanding of the force, which has always been known to disregard any use/manipulation of the force unlike their own as evil/unnatural, it's really no surprise he impulsively killed Aniseya.
In his mind it's a justified act, necessary to the protection of a force-sensitive child. Of course this immediately flips as he finds out she was going to let Osha go (which is why he doesn't really fight back against Mother Koril: instant regret).
This show definetly has its flaws, but a lot of the hate it's getting just originates in some fans still believing the Jedi to act correctly all (or at least most of) the time.
Suprise surprise, there is a lot of corruption and secrecy. That just happens when you combine government & religion, even in real life...
The writing is not complicated, you just don't pay attention like the many others complaining about the writing.
The mother stated in episode 3 and this episode that she would allow the jedi to test her daughters because the jedi had the right too. But she never agreed for the jedi to turn up in the middle of the night and break in to steal her kids.
Also she never said they could take them anyway, she even says this to osha when they are having their heart to heart "we will take your choice in to consideration" she never once said the jedi could take osha.
also not sure why it was so difficult to understand that Indara killed them all by using the force, thus showing us how powerful she was.
@@crazydaave5394 ... so the force could always just kill crowds of people by turning them off like a light switch? Pretty sure one or two villains we've seen before now might have used such an ability from time to time if it was available.
The fight was fine but had no consequences. We knew everybody survives. If killknocka offed torbin and then the wookie was the one meditating and killed himself by poison instead of just being dead in episode 4. Feel like that would be more interesting…but what do i know about writing a tv show.
The fight had consequences. We have already seen them. This episode explains why / how.
Indara and Sol told the truth to the council (and Osha) just like Obi-Wan told the truth to Luke-from a certain point of view.
The show doesn't always do a good job of expressing the points it tries to make. I actually rewatch some episodes of this show sometimes, like before new releases just to make sure I understand the narrative. So here are the things I gathered from the show that I felt were poorly conveyed:
Electrical fires take out whole Hotels (other buildings, naval ships) and let lots of people perish in them. Just an example of how the fire can turn into a big thing when it gets to the wires. How one little fire burns down whole buildings of people is really scary and there are way too many documentaries out there about that. The oil caused the fire to burn high enough to catch onto the broken electronic lock of the door. It's a huge WTF moment I know, not how I think any writer worth their salt would write something but at this point I'm just accepting it.
They never explicitly state when the Jedi will return as far as I can tell. It seems more like just that they will return. After that first rocky nighttime meeting I think it'd be reasonable to assume that people would conduct further discussions during daylight hours rather than the dead of night. So it was probably jarring to even the least aggressive Nightsister that the Jedi snuck in during the night.
The fire is relevant because it provides a cover story to tell Osha that a young child like her would simply accept as the truth. Of course, they never realized that this planted the first seed of hate in her which is why I think Osha will ultimately become a Sith someday.
The black smoke is teleportation, typical Nightsister stuff. It was the group of women that died that happened to be controlling a powerful fully fledged Jedi.
Sol wasn't holding both the children; he was holding up the whole metal apparatus. If he thought about holding up the kids alone then he would have been able to probably pull them to him. Notice that Sol is impulsive, emotional, he really wasn't ready for having a Padawan yet. This is just like how Obi-wan wasn't ready to train Anakin.
Sol felt a connection to Osha, and which is how many Jedi pick their Padawans. Often, they sense that the Padawan is destined to be with them, and so they take them.
Osha hasn't turned toward the dark side. She is at most open to it, and that is enough for a first season. If they get another, I expect that to be her fall, maybe.
As for the Padawan going crazy, the Nightsisters actually messed themselves up over it. He had his desires to go home enhanced by the earlier tampering, and he gave into that. Notice how the vow of repentance he took wasn't just never talking, he is actually meditating so that he could correct his character flaws as a person. Honestly, the bigger issue I have is how in the world he passed his trials?
The Jedi basically broke on, said they were taking the kids even though the Council even says they don't have the legal authority to do so, and were willing to use violent force to take the kids.
Here is the smart thing of this. The Jedi at this point in time get their way all the time, and they usually are just automatically trusted by most people that aren't criminals. So, for most Jedi the very idea that there are other Force users out there is an afront that must be snuffed out. The whole reason the Jedi fall to the Sith one hundred years later is that in their arrogant hubris they couldn't recognize their flaws and overcome them. That is the one cool part about the show as a whole. At least in my opinion.
This was the best episode of the season as far as presenting complicated characters with dynamic interactions with each other, and yet the episode was still a miss for me. Like when we first learned about Jedi being stationed on Brendok and the disaster that killed everyone but Osha, I thought the Jedi had been on the planet and interacted with girls over several months having built up a relationship with them. Then Sol’s desire to protect Osha, a child he actually had a connection to, from a cult he thought was harming them would make sense, but this is just one overreaction after another, something the Jedi shouldn’t be doing.
What really would’ve helped is if Sol had’ve kept snooping and found some “ancient texts” carved into a wall that explained who the witches were, some of what their magic could do, and why the girls were important to them (bonus points if they tied in the double moons that are used in the series logo)
Sol was trying to hold up both ends of the bridge - which weighs far more than the kids. That was his mistake, if he'd just tried to lift the children *off* the bridge he could have done it. This is like when Indarra stopped Mae's knife attack, she was holding her arm.- not the knife.
I just think he was too emotionally imbalanced to use the force properly.
Even if he had the quick reaction and clarity of mind to lift the two kids, doing so isn't easy. Heck, the kids might start kicking and flailing around or try to resist, not knowing what's going on, it might make it far harder than lifting an inanimate object.
It seems they wanted us to believe that the fire spread through the wires.
Do you forget that their base was an old mine that was on a lifeless planet 100 years ago. The witches just repurpose it. You think old tech wouldn't be prone to malfunctions? I guess you would know if you pay attention to anything.
that planet's OSHA compliance level really sucked.....
Conduits. And depending what was being mined in that former mine then yes it could be very flammable
Fire in the Starwars universe is stronger than the force. It can burn without air and burn stone and metal like it's paper. Screw the force, fire is where it's at. 😂
Have yall never heard of an electrical fire??
I overall like the show but i think its biggest issue is editing. This and ep 3 could have been 1 ep as well as 4+5. I would have liked more a 6-7 ep season with every ep closer to 45-1 hr, they wouldnt need to even cut much just move around and edit stuff together
Writing for this episode was the worst yet.
I think the fire was part old electrical system chain failure and part the mine and various gasses, etc
My thoughts on the coven is that being pushed out of their possession trance makes them lose consciousness.... And then they burn to death.
"I feel the conflict within you!"
The witches don't want Osha to be taken so they prepare for combat. Anisaya says the jedi should not have come, they should have let her calm everyone and go out with the kid. She tries to protect Mae by porting her away, but the jedi don't know what the smoke means so Sol stabs her thinking she's harming Mae.
I think the whole Coven was supposed to soul transfer themselves into the 2 girls during the ascension. Like they were all going to sacrifice themselves and put all of their power into those 2 girls. The power of 1, 2, Many... I think Mother Anasea was about to transfer herself into Mae and Sol killed her cause it looked spooky. This is all a theory of course because the show does such a poor job explaining things.
There's nothing that angers a wookiee more than when someone misspells wookiee.
Fear is the mind killer indeed. Everyone acted on it. And it led to tragedy.
New Rockstars did an excellent breakdown of why the mind invasion of Torbin messed him up so bad. I could understand if someone mind assaulted you on something you might already have some PTSD on. It can make someone spiral and act irrational.
I would have had a higher opinion of this episode if the rest of the season hadn't put so much weight on it. The mysteries set up in episode 3 created a high level of expectations and I don't feel like they were fulfilled.
I've also realized that this should have been 2 separate shows: one about the witches of Brendok and one about Qimir. Both would have been interesting, but feel underdeveloped in this show. Considering that the only connective thread is Mae, it would have been easy to jettison one of them and focus on the other.
I suspect they'll leave Qimir for season 2.
They didnt create the vergance, the location is a vergance which they used the power from to create the girls
I think Torbin was affected by the mind control and all the "Leave" and "Go home" that was said to him. Yord said something about getting into your mind and staying there. But the show needed to make it clearer.
Yeah Osha said that she had seen her mother do that before
But in fight Torbin says that he fortified his mind so that the witches can't take control over him again.
@@eerosalonen Not saying they did, but that what she did earlier stayed/lingered with him
@@v4vun yes, I also first thought that they were trying to show lingering effect when Torbin rushed to kidnap the girls, but then in fight Torbin says that he has fortified his mind with force, which seem odd if he still is under her influence
@@eerosalonen He was not under influence. But he still had the trauma / the echoes. After all the Mother warned that the control can have lasting effects...
The power of maaaannnnnnny...... Beat by the power of onneeee..........
I think the black eyes show when the witches link to each other so Mother Aniseya wanted to tap in with Mae to see whats wrong and teleport to Osha with her. The Birth Mother was trying to outpower Aniseya by making Mae claim her leader role that the ascension was meant to give to the sisters and while Aniseya could have relaxed the situation and, stopped the fire and sent Osha out to the Jedi ship on her own, the Jedi stopped killed her.
BLUF: TOORRRBINN JEEENNKINNS!
(At least Nuna legs taste like chicken)
First the small bits of "good" and the elements they are are definitely getting right.. then the choices that just land flat or nonsensical...
Clearly the show has at least 1x OLD School (Pre-Zahn resurgence) EU/Legends fan, as now in addition to the Tynnan species, the Corporate Sector world of Bonadan (The Padawan's homeworld) is Canonized. They keep tapping the Brian Daley Han Solo novels, and that is a good thing.
The Jedi Service Corps: Explorer Corps would certainly be involved in planetary surveys, and a Jedi Team WOULD be called in to investigate a world on record as ravaged to lifelessness 100 years ago by the Hyperspace disaster, now verdant and flourishing. It would be the logical next step. A "Vergence" in the Force was NEVER meant to Refer exclusively to magical force baby creation. That is why QGJ put it forward as "A Vergence" not "The Vergence." And yes, the whole world is large, and the 7 weeks have probably been spent hopping the ship from site to site, and using the caravan to conduct a zoned grid search around each survey hub. The planet was previously inhabited so residual construction and even operational power sources like that of the Mine fortress occupied by the Witches would not be unheard of. If they were not running an active landing beacon they could easily be missed. Investigating a force nexus would certainly be a proper jedi's job and not that of the dropout students who make up the survey corps
As I have said before, yes, all Nightsiaters are Witches, but not all Witches are Nightsisters, Dathomir or not. They clarify these are NOT Nightsisters and are some "Other Force Cult".
Symbionts are named in TPM in the speech QuiGon gives to exposition Midichlorians. These are not new. What is new is them "DNA Typing" the Midichlorians themselves. It can have a pass, and having an unnatural duplicate is reasonably suspicious. Twin's DNA may be identical, but the bacterium in their gut flora are unique.
All that said, if this was the homework assignment of "Do the Rashemon thing" they definitely fail. They have done the hidden fortress and the 7 samurai multiple times each, so why not try something new? Rashemon has unreliable narrators all giving their own perspective on events, Some accurate some false and some deceptive. The truth lies Somewhere in between all of them. Contradictions between perspectives are perfectly fine. Contradiction internal to each narrative are acceptable if they provide clues to the truth, but not when they are just patently unhinged from the character's circumstance.
Unless that was a coal mine or a shale deposit (Not Primarily found in volcanic calderas) stone still doesn't burn. I can believe that a salvaged facility with +100-year-old wiring can suffer a catastrophic failure If it shorts out the power generation systems... So
Let's say the Transformers, Capacitors, or Batteries started blowing up. Still a bit of a stretch to destroy the entire stone fortress because the kid was playing with fire. I have been the kid who caught the living room on fire while scorching the corners off newspapwrs, but that was a carpet. There are still turn of the last century Buildings that are condemned due to substandard wiring and fire hazard.... But it is still the building that will burn if an electrical fire starts it, not a catastrophic electrical fire with no fuel.
They turned Sol into a Karen that works for Social Services and wants to take your kida away for you being Space Satanists.
They turn Torbin into all the "bad kids" invited into Wonka's choclate factory after a saucy lady offers him space candy. I do not begrudge getting rattled after being dominated, But two Knights and a Master should have been able to stop him from invading the mine a second time. They already had their evidence with the blood samples.
Making Kelnacca a berserk murder monster under the effects of [Dominaton] is a Fair play And reinforces the notion why there are so few Wookiee Jedi. But if anybody was going to be suicidal over their misseteps it would be Kelnacca for breaking the Wookiee "no claws" Taboo all over Torbin's face. That at least explains HIS Hermitage of shame.
Indara can Subdue a berserk Wookiee in hand to hand combat but still gets killed by a child with a knife.
We already know the jedi can multitask their telekinesis (Luke does Crates, R2, and stacked rocks in a 1-arm handstand.) If two catwalks are too Heavy, just grab both children. (Even though size matters not.)
Turning into an incorporeal smoke monster like Sylvanus from Warcraft is No way to indicate you were intending to comply with the request.
Turning into an incorporeal smoke monster also generally makes you immune to physical attacks. Guess Sol made the will save against [Force Illusion].
We still Don't know what happened to Koril After she turned into a smoke monster to possess the coven and coordinate the group ritual casting of [Domination] on Kelnacca.
No body = No death.
The change in perspective doesn't explain anything we didn't already know, It doesn't justify the jedi's shame, They don't explain the mystery No one's trying to solve, And the double down on things that were already a given.
I think the oil lights are fed through pipes in the walls. Very similar to Victorian era gas lights. I think the short in the wall and the oil leaking starts a chain reaction feedback.
It sucks that you have to come up with that vs them showing
@@dbjdiit sucks that people have to be spoonfed stories like puréed baby food these days
@@tacomuerte936 Lol you're exactly right. It was totally obvious that the large stone building had hidden gas pipelines riddled through it and was basically a giant bomb waiting for a single flame to leave it as a smoking crater at a moments notice. Why are people nowadays so oblivious to these obviously telegraphed conclusions? I pity the state of peoples education.
@tacomuerte936 that's a sad defense of a bad show
If you keep this up Disney might fly you guys out to their next premier! 👍🏿
Damn, level of intelligence in reactors these days is very lukewarm.
This episode has a lot I like conceptually with both sides mistrusting one another and escalating things as well as acting on their own biases with limited information. That being said, there are definitely some contrivances and things that seem a little weird. A lot of it felt over the top. And some of it felt out of character in order to justify the other side.
Something that I noticed only while watching this video is that I think Aniseya was doing her witch stuff to jump in front of the lightsaber and protect zabrak mom.
For sol not being able to hold both girls, it think it had a lot to do with him getting beaten on by a pizzed off zabrak mom and a wookie, as well as the emotional instability after killing a woman in front of her kid, i think it makes sense that hes not on the tip top of his game in that moment
The whole Sol seeing Osha for the 1st time and basically imprinting on her and being like "She will be my padawan, I will adopt her" is giving Jacob from The Twilight Saga vibes. Like, coming on way too fast Sol, he's basically like "Force using child, I need to snatch her up and adopt her" I have a sneaking suspicion based on the writing of this, that the writers used like a D&D campaign to write it, it has that chaotic nature and the plot holes that D&D can have because it is improv.There are seeds of a good idea in this show, but it is just getting massacred via the execution. I do think the hate campaign against this show will shape the future of Star Wars, like, I think they're going back to the board after this and making course corrections, not to give in to the hatred, but the fanbase at large (Which I'm not really in, just observing as an outsider) are less than enthused, like, the thing I keep hearing is "This doesn't feel like Star Wars, it feels like something else with a Star Wars skin on it" I think one day Star Wars will get sold off once Disney's done with it and it'll be not-quite de-canonized, but the new owners will do a divergent timeline, and be like "If you love the Disney stuff, it still exists, and it's what could have been, but we'll create a nexus and do a new path forward & back"
Or.....its like Qui-gon willing to risk the queen and her ship to get a hold of Anakin, even taking risky bets, then to defy the council in training when they said "no" to his face. Sol is very much like Qui-gon.
Aniseya obviously intended to take Osha to the Jedi
I'm not going to say this is a perfect episode of TV, but I don't get the confusion about Torbin's motivations and actions. He's shown being surly and homesick. And Aniseya pours gasoline on that fire. He is looking for reasons to convince everyone to go home, and proving a vergence (and the girls being the proof) spurs him to rash action. I think that the meddling Aniseya does with his mind influences him to be more prone to rash and irrational action based on a simple parameter of "go home."
It was so obvious to me that I spent the episode wondering if it was a calculated move by Aniseya in order to start the chain of events that leads to the end that we see.
I think there are some holes in this theory as well. Too many other people take actions outside Aniseya's influence for it to fully track--but force premonitions can cover over a multitude of story sins, I guess.
I will say, having this theory in mind, hearing the line from Mae about "sacrifice" really hit hard hearing it the second time in this reaction, as it supports the theory if Aniseya knows that the whole coven will need to be sacrificed for the twins to meet their destiny.
I think the Zabrak mother was trying to start a conflict.
From this episode I don’t understand why Torbin thinks he needs to commit suicide. He doesn’t do anything
I could see him feeling guilty for leading the storming of the fortress that final night for his own selfish reasons, and it led to so much death.
The whole mountain is an old mining facility and the fire was burning through the electrical wires.
Sol is similar to Qui-gon. Qui-gon was willing to risk everything to take Anakin. Same with Sol to Osha.
How... how do you know this?
@@tbirdguy1They say it's an old mining facility when they first go as a group. You watch the fire burning through and sparking the wires.
Please dont compare Sol to Qui-gon.
And you can ask electricians about how badly faulty wiring and electrical fires go
@@tacomuerte936 I’m so glad we are comparing the electrical infrastructure in a galaxy far far away to real life in order to make sense of a fire spread.
The oil accelerated the fire through the ancient wiring lining all the walls. It’s there in the episode, they’re just not holding your hand with it.
THANK YOU! show dont tell is a thing
@@thejuansnow that the show trusts its audience enough not to hold our hands should be considered a plus, not a negative. Just a WILD criticism from some folks, to me
about the only thing they're not holding your hand on. Everything else is neatly spelled out in literal words.
Fire doesn't travel along wiring. A short might ignite flammable materials at the point of a short circuit, but the fire doesn't then follow the wires, it follows the flammable material. That explanation only works if everyone in the audience knows as little as the writers. Of course, they could have asked any of the gaffers on the crew...but clearly didn't.
@@kirkdarling4120 every electrician on earth is so grateful to hear that isn’t a concern. Now they can all stop taking gigs to update wiring in 100+ year old buildings. Thank you for this wonderful service you have rendered to the electricians of the world.
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Heres what i wish happened
So many scenes are of May and Osha waking up so why not have it be they are 1 consciousness but its all Osha just switching bodies. Like she can split but be less powerful or fully control one and be super strong
Because the Jedi broke into their home... again. Of course they shouldn't have come back.
As convoluted as this all was, the arc of what happened on Brendok relies on us believing that none of the like 60 people involved would have stopped to ask questions to the other group about anything that was said/heard out of context... and I just don't think that's realistic. And the writing of the dialogue is... not good. Objectively.
Historically, cultural misunderstandings and incompatibility have cause wars. And just reacting without the full context is cause of every day tragedies, no difference in culture needed. It was THE reason why the Jedi Council had advised them to not interfere.
Yes, people who should have been talking to each other more, and should have known each other more deeply, were talking past each other.
@@eds1942 It's just weird that the show is spending it's entire first season setting up this weird "I'm called a sith but..." villain while still setting up the jedi to be "bad because they were bad cuz bad jedi" it's just poorly written all together.
@@supernovaskies5044 The Jedi weren’t bad. Master Sol was drawn to the planet because of what happened there. But then he saw the girls, believing that they were the reason why he was drawn there. And the more that he saw, the more driven he became emotionally, because he only had some of the contents, but not the whole context, which turned out to be just a difference in cultural and why the Jedi Council had advised them to stay clear as to not to agitate the situation. Now as to the longer plot with the Jedi Order? Well the Jedi Order and Republic have become dependent on each other, and now the galaxy as a whole as faced a prong-longed period of peace, so other things are taking the priority. This is going down during a Republic Senate vote where a faction of Senators have raised issue with how the Jedi Order is spending it’s tax dollars and without independent oversight.
As with the Sith? Sith don’t call their apprentices “acolytes”. The Sith are just using this situation to their advantage. And the Jedi Order has no reason or hard evidence to suspect that they are still a thing. For them, everything is adding up that Master Sol is to blame (because he kinda is) and these resent incidents are due to Sol loosing it (because he kinda is. And it’s easy for them to take that position because Sol has no evidence. Both Kelnacca and Torbin suffered mental issues related to the Brendok incident. And everyone else except him, Osha and Mae (who Sol could’ve lied about seeing dying) and the furry guy are all dead. And at the end of the day, the Senate will clamp down on the Jedi Order and they will become more institutional and dogmatic limited in how they deal with the emotional needs of their members, in part because the Senate demands follow approved missions and training regiments, giving the Order and its members less leeway.
The whole episode illustrated a cultural misunderstanding and how Sol screwed up big. Which might still have been avoidable if Torbin wasn’t in a rush to get things done so that they could get back home and if Aniyesa didn’t try that smoky Force power. But the longer that Jedi were there, the more riled up the Coven became and the more scared for the girls Sol became.
The oil from the lamp splashed on the wall just below the panel, and the fire started short out, and being that the place wasn’t up to OSHA’s standards, the whole place eventually burned.
When Indara freed Kelnacca’s mind from the Coven’s “possession”, it probably just knocked all of them out and broken. Died or alive, the fire eventually took them all out. Kelnacca was still having issues with their touch on his psyche 16 years later. Clearly since he had been drawing their symbols everywhere.
Your post is called a "plothole cover."
@@kirkdarling4120 An example of a plot hole would be;
“Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet.”
What I’m talking about was clear enough to follow in the episode. The subjective execution of it, is what you are looking for. Technically it was fine. But it left a lot of room for judging, since it didn’t employ the type of theatrics that we are conditioned to, such as dramatic sound score and people running around, and people yelling and such.
How was Sol supposed to know, you dum dum?
@@kirkdarling4120 Where's the plothole, they're literally describing what happened in the episode??
@@firstlast-wm3li Exactly,..
Mae started a fire that killed everyone...still the truth. If she doesnt start it and run in then the standoff might have had a peaceful ending. Kelnacca miss multiple opportunities to kill Torbin. Still wondering how Torbin went from a padawan (who seems to be nowhere close to making Knight) to Master in less than 6 years. Show still doesn't really make sense. Would have been better without this the big mystery of the event.
Honestly, still don't like when the Force is done all "witchcrafty"...I like my witchcraft in fantasies, not my Sci-Fi. What was the smoke stuff? I thought it might just be in their heads, but after watching again I don't think so.
If you fix about 5 things this episode would be really good, like this series in general. It has characters acting illogical in moments where they shouldn't. Yes, why are these girls so important to this covenant? We should have been known that.
I want to say I appreciate your reactions because even though you're not enjoying it as much as some of us - you are being completely normal about it, and not like trying to sue Wookiepedia or anything!
Jokes aside though, you make good points based on your experience of watching it, even where I see something differently, I can see and understand the critiques you make and you still make the effort to find positive points.
💙 Thank you, and see you in the next one.
This show is terrible lol
@@DudeRX
It objectively isn't.
It's ok if it doesn't engage with you and you aren't enjoying it.
The genre is an experiment for Star Wars, the writing is reasonably consistent, internally, not everyone is going to gel with it, but it is.
For the most part the acting is great, Lee especially. Fight choreo has been fun and drives the narrative pretty well. Sets are great and I for one am glad to see fewer digital sets. It's very much borrowing from the Lucas school of using fantasy to have a political and social conversation.
Art is subjective, and it definitely has its flaws - but there is a big chasm between you not liking it and it being terrible.
Okay, there was a comment made during your reactions that made me think about something that may sound weird. First of I'm introducing a term that some people might not know about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_open
So, after watching Episode 7 I had this idea (and I did approach this as a storyteller myself). What if... the series began differently? Here's my lineup...
Episode 3, Episode 7, Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 4, Episode, 5, Episode 6 and finally Episode 8...
Episodes 3 and 7 (in my lineup Episode 1 and 2) would be this series "cold open" where the story begins from the point of view of the twin, their family, the witch society, then maybe you needed a few extra minutes of story in the middle for the switch over to continue it with the jedi point of view. Episode 7 (new Episode 2) would end as it did. Then when Episode 1 (the new Episode 3) begins you get in the familiar colour of text from the movies "Sixteen years later"... screen goes black and in comes who we discover to be Mae walking to the town.
After the cold opening the sequence of Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5, 6 and perhaps also 8 would make more sense. Although you'd want a third flashback sequence from Qimir's point of view there, and here the role and identity of Vanestra would change too. She's a conflicted jedi now, who receives a strange message from a dark cloaked individual. Someone who claims to her to know what happened on Brendok, warns her that if she reveals this information to the wrong people her life will have no meaning. (Now that jedi walks in and she switches off the device). By the way my idea for the dark cloaked individual to be a Sith is the sound you can hear while she's talking to him. It's the SAME sound you can hear when Darth Maul talks to his master. I've never heard that sound when it's a jedi talking to another on a hologram device (example, when the Jedi Council in the movies are in a conference). The warning she received: "He has one of the girls. The other is with your jedi." (never reveals Qimir's name to Vanestra). Then the events of Episode 6 would have more impact. Was the dark cloaked individual speaking of Qimir OR of Sol? Sol's flying away would get urgency too because of it... Was Vanestra telling him the stay because of the message or because he was about to be arrested?
Additionally to my idea of the way the episodes could have been, there needed to be longer episodes all out. Like 45-55 minutes each. You could also have had at least 2-3 additional episodes to show Jecki and how she got pulled into the mess (RIP Jecki) and the same with Yord. The Jedi Temple IS a character in its own right in the greater story in the galaxy. Rather than just a little bit of prison, a little bit of corridors and a little bit of some other rooms, in the back story and/or "setting them up for doom" (ahum... yes, I know that's the title of Episode 8) we should have gotten more of the Temple in its prime. A story with more world building so to speak...
For Torbin rather than just scare the pants off the boy Aniseya could have shown him why "home" is something she missed...
The magic we see Aniseya and Koril do seems so similar to the skill of a "dark illusion" ... that well they stood around is essentially the altar basin like Darth Sidious used to do a spell to taunt Yoda.
Just a few thoughts I had after watching the episode...
Fires can grow into a massive wildfire from a single match in dry grass. You guys are in LA, you must have seen the wildfires over the 405, you know this.
If the compound was built out of dry grass, that might make sense
Yeah that dry grass fortress was at risk all along
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That's a SPACE metal detector to you, lol
I thought they were the night sisters in this episode but they are another different witches.
I think one of the things Indara was so worried about was the emotional attachment (and the emotions he was feeling) of Sol. She could sense it was growing and becoming an issue.
It makes sense that the fire would cause that much damage considering it was an a electrical fire which is a lot harder to stop than an organic fueled fire
How did the stone burn?
@@dbjdiThe wires sparked and burned the equipment they were attached to. Happened a buddy of mine recently...blew up every electric device in his house.
@@hoos3014 ok, how did the stone burn?
@@dbjdi The stone didn't burn. The oil from the lamp did.
@@hoos3014 and then the stone building.
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i like this show but it has some bad directing
Gotta say, nothing says bad writing like watching all my favorite reactors spend about 10 minutes trying to understand what we all just watched.
Listen, I know some people like this show, and want to defend this show, mainly because if the show isn't great, then they have to admit that at least some of the criticism about this show has some merit. The simple truth is that this show is just not up to the quality it's 180 million dollar price tag wants us to believe. It feels rushed, half backed, and many of it's lines needed another take before wrapping.
Sorry guys, it's just not something that makes me excited each week.
Yeah, I've been following some of the most lenient (and socially liberal) reactors, and most have been having trouble with this series. They've been basically "hope watching," hoping it will all make sense in the end.
Love watching you two react to this garbage. 😂
Genuine reactions.
I also got red from the starters Oreos! lol
I liked the part where Kell Knockers said "it's wookie time" and then wookied all over th e place
always a fun reaction, thanks yall!~
“Match my freak”
The real question we want an answer to is... what was Clarus sitting on to appear so shoulder to shoulder with Nerdy. 😏
The fire issues would have been fixed with one line of. "This is a whatever mine. That highly material is highly flammable who would choose to live here. Of course the fire would still be divorced from the witches death so better but not great." I think this show had great potential that was wasted and I think this episode was the last chance to get there.
I get what they are attempting to do with Sol here by having him be as obsessed as Quimir about getting a pupil to contrast them or do it as a thematic thing but the execution hasn’t worked.
With one ep left and with their average episode length I can’t imagine it handling all the story threads cos we have the conflict between Sol, Quimir, Mae and Osha but also that newly created Verneatra suspecting Sol has gone off the deep end and murdered everyone. It would be hard to do in 1 hour let alone a 30 min eps.
Next ep can salvage it somewhat if they have Sol justifying his actions by explaining the fire safety regs at the coven were clear indicators they didn’t care about Osha so he was justified!
Or if Quimir gets to say “Have you heard the tale of the murder of mother Anaseya, it’s not something the Jedi would tell you”
Do yourselves a favor and research electrical fires and how they spread.
The ignorance in this reaction is beyond repair
Electrical fire knowledge is not a widely known concept. A better made show conveys the necessary understanding for the audience. We are defending a show that is not doing the basic levels to bring a broad audience along. This is standard storytelling stuff.
@@Melodicroger All they had to do was ask one of the gaffers that was standing right there.
I think, wild guess here, that the oil fire short circuits the door wiring, turning it into an electrical fire. This could jack up all the wiring in the mines, causing unstable power and individual electrical fires throughout. I know. Big reach. It's the only real world-ish explanation I could make.
Sucks the writing is so bad that you have to come up with it vs a 10 second scene showing
I guess safety fuses didnt exist in a galaxy far far away. The cope is so hard
You do now that an electrical fire isn't "electricity" burning in the wires but is faulty electrical wiring causing a spark or heat build up that causes flammable material to ignite, right? Now, for all we know, the entire facility has gas/oil pipelines throughout from the mine to feed the wall lamps or whatever and that's what causes the explosion. They do show the generator being sketchy as fuck earlier so we can assume that some kind of power system problem caused the explosion. Hell it might be like that episode of Star Trek TNG where a kid thought he'd destroyed his parents ship because he fell over and his arm hit a console just before the ship exploded but really it was nothing to do with it he was feeling guilty for no reason.
The fire got into the wiring and set off a chain reaction.
Fire does not get into wiring. A short circuit in wiring might ignite adjacent flammable objects, but fire does not "get into the wiring" itself. Nor does it travel the conduit.
I totally agree about Sol and Torbin. And, this is my issue with Disney's Star Wars. We're told so much, but not really shown everything. We don't feel it. We're just forced to go along with it because those are the facts. This episode would have benefitted with more time to breath so we can actually believe Sol and Torbin's motivations.
This show is F'ing weird, it's Star wars goofiness taken to another level.
It was poor, as simple as that.
Having to dissect the script to fill the glaring gaps shows how badly they built this story.
Sorry, but this episode was so badly written, characters changing their minds on major decisions at the drop of a hat, waiting seven weeks to ask what he's doing
The whole Torbin plot line was completely wacky… there are so many loose threads in this show… I have no idea how they wrap things up in one episode…
Some things to try to make you not complicate things so much... fire starts for an accident but we see there is a short-circuit at the door panel and everything there can be connected, it's an old structure and that can be flammable enough to cause the explosions, other thing it was never said when the Jedi were gonna comeback for an answer if they were going to accept give the girls and the Jedi came again unannounced, this can be a reason why Anysea comes in not a friendly attitude, Torbin`s personality was shown from the beginning immature padawan and also scared for what the witches did to him.. i think 2 of the Jedi here did so much wrong Torbin for stupidity and Sol because lets his emotions controls him, he kills their mom, goes against council orders, i liked episode, it showed the mistakes of some Jedi, but not doing it so we can say that all Jedi are bad, they make mistakes when they are not mature enough to follow the laws of their order like everytime this happens, i would've liked you enjoyed more the show but it's ok, not many do.. keep rocking and stay safe!
Like you guys.Do not like this show. I watched star Wars in 1978. This is not SW for me, a strait white guy in his 50s.
"Like, If I broke into someone's place and they got into my head for doing it, I would totally not TRUST THEM"
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I seriously question the IQ of anyone still defending this shows writing. I'm not looking for Tolkien here, but I would at least like to feel like I am watching more than a collaborative fanfic. I actually can't say I have seen writing that leans on "this had to happen or the plot can't progress or make sense" more than this show.
This show seems to have really cool ideas and really want to portray deep nuanced characters, but the execution comes across so poorly. Like the writers and producers got together and mapped out their desires for the story and landed on some cool stuff but had zero clue on how to do it.