As a Chinese I know The Chinese army lacks combat experience compared to the US army, and the US air force is absolutely dominant. However, war is complicated and I just hope both governments can keep the peace. Cuz I have lots of friends in America.😔😔
as an American I can say that we love the people of china, its just our governments that don't get along. As the saying goes, Old men make war while young men die fighting them.
obama also a good quote back during the romney debate: "it's not a game of battleship, where we're counting ships. it's about strategy and what the military needs. we have fewer ships now than before, but we also have fewer horses and bayonets."
The only guy to ever quote a president who’s only accomplishment is robbing most everybody into some brain dead worthless healthcare that maybe helped 1%of the population you democrats are eroding the country u mfs are under chinas payroll because every damn thing y’all do helps them in a way
@@BigUnc985 we haven’t had a great president since Calvin. But he hasn’t been the worst in the last few decades. Between republicans and democrats they are about equally as bad.
Worth noting that when they mentioned submarines, the US Navy has 71 nuclear powered subs, meaning they can run indefinitely, do not need to surface, operate at higher speeds for far longer, and their range is only limited by the need to resupply for food for the crew. China has 3 nuclear powered subs. The US Navy and Air Force would currently shred China's Air Force and Navy.
The US domination in air/watercrafts I think is one of the sole reasons of our Military superiority the fact were already developing new super carriers and stealth bombers goes to show that
@@stuartdubbs9605 We probably shouldn’t be building super carriers anymore, and should be focusing more on more numerous smaller carriers. Mostly because hypersonic missiles pose a legitimate threat to them, and we don’t necessarily know how effective laser counter measures will be yet. It may not be the wisest idea to put so many eggs in giant baskets going forward.
Also like it was said Land is becoming the past its all about Air and Sea in war now. Thats why US is so invested in Missiles, Aircraft, drones, and Newer Aircraft carriers.
United States Air Force mission will want to keep the Navy Forces floated up instead dragging it down, where People's Republic of China have way overpowered Navy Forces or Arm Forces which can drag the Air Forces down. Overall United States Arm Forces on the ground are more capable to carry more nuclear warheads and technological advantages than People's Republic of China, because they are mostly old people who are working for the services than their are younger generations of Arm Military Defenses from United States National Forces build-up in future.
It is important to note that all the tanks in China's arsenal are old soviet cold war era tanks. The U.S. uses the M1 Abraham's, which is the best tank in the world, in which not 1 was ever lost in battle
They have been making their own tanks recently. They aren't as good as an Abrahams, but are still decent domestic tanks. They do lack the ability to independently manufacture modern aircraft though
The last part is not true. The Abrams is a great tank, but they did have losses in battle. In Desert Storm 2 M1s were destroyed by their crews after sustaining unrepairable damage. In OIF 19 total M1s were destroyed: 7 by ATM and ATGM, 5 by their crews due to damage, 2 by enemy tanks and 5 by mines. Further 11 M1s over all of service history were destroyed by friendly fire, but that doesn't count. That's only US Army and MC operated ones. Iraqis and Saudis lost another 120-140 M1s, but that's arguably due to them using old models and untrained crews.
They didn’t focus on quality of the weapons at all. According to India there “Stealth” fighter isn’t really stealth. They have 20 but they can barely keep 10 in the sky.
@@ThePrinceOfNigeria I think your wrong. First of all just like China the USA would never allow defeat, they would rather destroy the planet. But USA would have an easier time invading China then China invading USA. They don’t even have the equipment to invade the country of Taiwan!
@@ThePrinceOfNigeria LOL China's stealth aircraft is using an engine manufactured by Russia for a Russian aircraft. A stealth plane using an engine NOT designed and manufactured specifically for it, is not stealthy. Also, their only aircraft carrier uses a ski jump to launch planes. Too funny. Also, in order for those planes to actually be able to launch, they have to severely reduce the amount of armaments they carry. U.S. 71 nuclear submarines - China 3 and those 3 have lots of issues. But, they look good on paper.
A major thing China lacks is logistics ships, oilers, transports, aerial-refueling tankers and 800+ bases in foreign countries for power projection. They can only fight in their own back yard whereas the USA is used to being a military force with global reach. Another problem is while by raw numbers they have lots of equipment and vehicles...most of it's "Made in China". ...and Russia.
yea and these youtube channel are all wrong and inaccurate lol, you want a more accurate place, go to global power rankings website not youtube channels lol
@ccbeh9103And you don’t think the USA has technology it ISN’T hiding? Only a fool lays out all his cards on the table. The US general population is allowed to own guns and believe me they do. Are the Chinese general population allowed to own a gun? Probably not since they’re only allowed one child I’m sure guns are off the table too.
There large navy doesn’t really contain many ships worthy of cross ocean travel. Where as most of ours have to be. There armed forces are very defensive based. Where USA is very forward and offensive because it has to be.
We also have a host of bases practically at their door-step. And even if our allies stayed out of a war and wouldn't let us use those bases, we can still fly bombers out of Guam, while China has nothing similar to counter it with. Invading and holding territory in China would be next to impossible, but we could send a near-constant wave of ordnance targeting their national infrastructure until they conceded on whatever issue triggered a conflict.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 Awww! Look at you trying to get a dig in! So clever! Never mind the fact that there's a marked difference between trying to wreck a nation's infrastructure and trying to protect it from insurgents; and that your comparison is absurd.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 Afghanistan wasn’t the kind of war that the average American citizen felt in danger from. But a war with China would change things. As an American I can say we probably wouldn’t handle it very well. How we left Afghanistan was terrible but it was definitely not a fight for the survival of our people. So that’s an apples to jet engines comparison.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 both country’s economies are tied together so much that it would be bad for everyone. People tend to think of China cut USA off is would be horrible( and it would) but they get most of there money from US. And the dollar is very important to CCP. There actually having a shortage of US dollars right now. So as soon as our money dries up there economy will be even worse then it is now.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 the threat to American in the homeland??? We left them allot of weapons but they don’t have a way to seriously attack mainland US. So no the domestic threat is nothing like a war with China.
You looked confused by the electronic warfare assets, thought I'd share. Those planes are capable of interception of enemy communication along with directed electrical and sonic weapons. Neither country here was involved but a semi-famous incident occurred in the Black Sea where Russia successfully disabled an American vessel. It's a light read that'll give you a basic idea of capability. Basically if something can send a signal out, you can mess with it using EWAs.
Huh, I'm surprised Daz didn't know about China and India's border disputes and fights (or at least he didn't mention it when Dave asked/brought up how China has more countries directly near them. I feel like Daz is usually aware of what's going on in the world.
A lot of the tanks and equipment the Chines have is outdated. And American troops are better trained. In a war the Americans would win a lot bc of their better trained troops, better equipment and aircraft carriers.
Actually, the US can easily defend against missiles that leave the atmosphere and come back down. What makes the new Chinese missiles hard to stop is that they travel that fast while still in the atmosphere, making them extremely hard to detect.
Its still Chinese tech, I wouldn't count on it working reliably. The recent test DID leave the atmosphere and also missed a stationary target. Nothing they aim at is going to still be there when the missile arrives.
Electronic warfare refers to both JAMMING the enemy such as scrambling their radar and IT and also command and control of the forces that your own side has on the ground, sea, and air by your own IT guys.
The US Navy has a significant amount of fighters/bombers and helicopters which I don't think they added to the list. They only listed the US Air Force.
Yes, these are not the most up to date or correct numbers and lots of equipment in all branches is not included in these counts. The video is kind of useless in that regard.
Japan, India, Australia, and the United States form a quad of nations who are practicing military drills together in response to tension in the area with china in the south china sea
Your forgetting that China also has major allies with very capable armies like Russia Pakistan North Korea Indonesia Iran all in the same region so I don’t think these countries can take Down China
@@shahidg1760Russia is struggling to a bunch of civilians they are not a threat, north korea will not be in any conflict only real fighters would be Pakistan and Indonesia, the US can beat all of them by themselves tho
According to my sources these numbers are not right. I am an American. My son served in navy special ops. I did not breathe for 7 years. Love you guys.
There's a huge tech disparity between the US and China. And numbers don't tell the story. You can see the differences in doctrine here too, where the US has invested heavily in air power/tech, as that is what wins modern wars.
I mean, the f16 Growler is a EW variant of the f16 which is probably more survivable than the bigger aircraft that china uses for its EW missions, along with the sheer number of stealth aircraft the US has in the f22, f35, and the b2
Apparently the FBI recently raided a Chinese owned company in FL for possibly being linked to cyberattacks. If I recall correctly, I think the company had something to do with making or installing POS terminals.
The latest buzz with the Chinese missiles isn't their speed, the US has missiles that meets or exceeds those speeds. As well as the defenses to counter them. The trouble with these new Chinese missiles is that they DO NOT leave the atmosphere, that renders current known US defenses obsolete. As for the submarines, the US holds a clear advantage. The video did not break the submarine types down - the overwhelming majority of Chinese subs are diesel. So damn loud that it's no trouble at all to track them. All US submarines are nuclear. Have been since 1990. Just wanted to add that to illustrate that Chinese military tech is more than 30 years behind the US. Aside with their North Korean levels of obsession with missile tech. Resting your military tech on a single piece of hardware makes for a quite brittle power.
There is a pro to diesel subs over nuclear subs however. Once diesels subs jump over to their batteries they can be as silent even more silent than our nuclear powered subs. There are many advantages to nuclear power subs however that can negate the advantages of diesel subs though.
@@sidd0123 - This is correct. Basically they both serve different purposes. One is more a bit more focused on defensive while the other (in war) is more offensive, in general.
While I agree with most of what you said. But the Chinese subs are diesel electric. Submerged they can be very quiet because they are run on electricity not diesel.
Why didn't they compare amphib ships like LPD LHA etc?? When I was in the Navy I was on LPD-17 USS San Antonio, the ability to deploy marines and equipment is important!
Reminder: it is reasonably difficult to get precise values on quantity of military assets. The US even claims to have lost count of international bases.
The United States has 11 active nuclear powered carriers. The only other country to have a nuclear powered carrier is France. All of the other remaining carriers including China's are conventional powered. China's two carriers are based on Soviet design.
As of recently there was an accident involving China and Indian forces where I’m Chinese troops and Indian troops encounter each other on a mountain in the middle of the neutral zone and a fight broke out leading to several injured and one fell to his/ her/ they/ then/it/ attack helicopters death
8:53 those aircraft can degrade the effectiveness of enemy radar and radio systems through radar jamming and deception techniques. There are too many techniques to list in this comment, but you can read about some here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception?wprov=sfti1
Aslos note the massive refueling capability o the US Air Force. They can project power by constantly keeping planes in the air and flying far from base. The Chinese had very little of this which forces them to stay near their own border. This reinforces Mike's observation that the Chinese forces are defensive while the US are offensive- regardless of sea, air or land
One of the (many) reasons the US has less overall equipment is because anything it produces needs to cross an ocean before it can be used. We've gotten pretty good at putting things on boats, in planes, and dangling beneath helicopters, but it gets fucking expensive.
Regarding going to war with China it's a matter of WHEN, not IF and it will happen sooner than you want to believe. To all past, present, and future vets: Salute Respect Hooah
@@shahidg1760 No shit Sherlock I never mentioned those trigger points/hot spots how did you extrapolate them from my comment on China? Get a grip civvie.
@@guerrillaentrepreneur5999 I’m just telling u, IF u lost from taliban how do u expect to win from China 😂 they already destroyed your naval ship using cyber technology
@@shahidg1760 There's a huge difference between an officially declared war (House, Congress, Senate, Cabinet) and small conflict when it is officially declared a war the nation goes into overdrive for the war effort (all pertinent industries). There is no comparison regarding the scale, effort and what is thrown at the enemy after declared war go study WWI/WWII. Fighting the Taliban was a very low intensity conflict deadly for sure, but miniscule compared to a war with China.
They wouldn't talk about chemical or viral warfare because they are both illegal under the Geneva convention. Not saying they aren't a thing, our government is capable of just about anything, just that would be part of deeply classified information.
A few things are kind of misleading or glossed over. China's 2 aircraft carriers: Only 1 is operational and uses a ski jump. This means the planes must decrease the amount of fuel and armaments they can launch with. Also, the J-15, their "advanced" carrier plane had had multiple crashes and deaths, The programs has been suspended numerous times and only pressure from the top political leadership has kept the program running. Stealth program: Their stealth fighter has to use an engines purchased from Russia, that was designed for a Russian plane. This means that, while the Chinese plane will now fly, it is by no means stealthy, as only an integrated engine design for the specific aircraft, helps an airframe meet the strict parameters to achieve stealth operation. Nuclear Submarine Fleet: China has 3. Meaning all others are of the much older diesel designs. (America has 71) Tanks: The Chinese have 1200 new MBTs. The 98/99 series. All the rest are old Chinese or Russian designs from the 60's.
Really wish these videos went into detail of the hardware they are mentioning, for example China only has 3 nuclear powered submarines while the US’s 77 submarine fleet has 77 nuclear submarines. The technology the US has is far greater than Chinas.
They left out that trhe US Navy has its own set of planes, helicopters etc that makes the US advantage even larger. Air superiority destroys ground AND sea forces
Would it be reasonable to assume that due to china's vast population,if food production centers were to be destroyed in some way,that China would have a huge problem on their hands? The bigger population is a plus in terms of manpower,but only if it's capable of being maintained during wartime
It was asked how can a physical object crazily go 5 times the speed of sound. Five times speed of sound is around 3836 mph (miles per hour). For comparison though, consider that meteors entering our atmosphere, no matter its size, can go 10000 to 60000 mph, or more. That speed was of course built up traveling through space for vast distances & via the gravity wells induced in our Sol system, most of it by Sol itself.
@@pinkiepie1656 ... The comparison was between a meteor & the missile, not between 2 dissimilar densities. The aforementioned "meteors entering our atmosphere, no matter its size" can still potentially go 10-20 times faster than that hypersonic missile moving at 5[c], assuming it doesn't fully break up in the ionosphere due to its kinetic energy, once it hits a higher density than a void.
A top priority of U.S. military doctrine has been to rule the air since the second world war. A huge chunk of our airpower can be used as airborne artillery (fighter/ bomber multi role aircraft, and dedicated ground attack aircraft), hence the lower number of ground based artillery units. Consider also that we currently have the largest number of aircraft carriers in the world, supported by the largest, and most advanced fleet on the ocean. At last count we have 11 active full size carriers, with two more under construction, that carry an average of 64 planes each. There are also 8 amphibious support ships which carry additional aircraft, as well as the Marine expeditionary forces.
The thing the video doesn't show is the quality and how modern the equipment is. US's is up to date and modern while a lot of China's is not modern. The video needs to show that as well.
Im not American but I’m eligible to enlist because Im from a sovereign country. The only time I’ll enlist is when China starts getting out of hand. No offense to Chinese Americans but you left there for a reason.
Something interesting to think about when considering conflict with China is force integration. China's military is still currently highly segmented, with departments not cooperating in a battle context. The US military forces all work very closely with each other to coordinate actions to work as a single cohesive force towards an objective, even our hardware assets talk to each other for targeting and recon to give our strikes ungodly over the horizon capability. Those hypersonic missiles are a problem though. If Chinese satellites can see our carriers, a saturation strike would overwhelm the limited kinetic kill interceptor missiles on our ships right now. So unless we can completely blind their targeting we very well could lose some invaluable ships. Until China decides to invade Taiwan it's not going to come to war though. But I don't know if the US can sit it out when they do invade Taiwan, so that is going to be a really bad time for the world.
He's bonkers, but he probably realizes you don't need to 'take over' a country with military force to subvert and dominate its populace. Long march through the institutions with an ideology.
As a Chinese why china can't grow up ？？but i know ArmyAs long as the People's Liberation Army participated in the war, the U.S. military did not win once, the Korean War and the Vietnam War When the disparity in armaments is so large。。。And the problem of opium left by the British
united states also has the most veteran military force on earth. nobody has more combat veterans than the united states. china fights pretty much nobody at all and has an army/navy/airforce that is incredibly green.
Side note, don't sell yourselves short Office Blokes. You guys were wondering who number 2 was... It's very likely to be you guys. Our older brother across the pond. Well known to be fierce and highly competent fighters, The UK is often the only military up there compared with the US.
Much of China's assets are older Soviet crap. Their Navy looks big on paper but much of it's Navy is composed of smaller coastal ships. China does not have a true blue water Navy. The biggest difference is command and control and training. The PLA has a top down command structure which means all decisions are made at the top and filter down. This process does not allow for individual decision making at the tactical level. This is slow and cumbersome in war.
Yeah, their Navy has gotten bigger over the years b/c of their doings in the North China Sea......but it just has that range....in no way no hiw does it project to America's overall Navy strength
China doesn’t even have a 5th gen fighter in 2023 and the us has had hypersonic missles for years. We had stealth helicopters for years that no one even knew about. The numbers don’t tell half of the story. Our subs and carriers are nuclear powered which China doesn’t even have.
yea alot of these are wrong and inaccurate, they are either counting the old tanks or they are just guessing lol china actually have around 3600 tanks and the US have 6400 tanks
During a war it’s important to remember which country is capable of feeding its population. Chinese dependence on foreign calories is a long term liability for any prolonged conflict.
morale too though. boots on the ground in China, every single person there would fight the americans tooth & nail. boots on the ground in the US, and a not-insignificant amount of Americans hate the government so much that they would temporarily side with the Chinese, or just look the other way and go into hiding. Thousands of fighting age American men will answer to balkanized regional "tribes," not the US.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 obviously you've never been to the US, so it's okay that you have no idea. That's literally the furthest from the truth that anything anyone has ever said before. Ever. We don't give a shit about the government, but that would be fighting for our homeland.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 and those chinese fighting tooth and nail don't have an Ar15, shotguns, and pistols and 10,000 rounds of ammo in their gun safe, do they?
As a Chinese I know The Chinese army lacks combat experience compared to the US army, and the US air force is absolutely dominant. However, war is complicated and I just hope both governments can keep the peace. Cuz I have lots of friends in America.😔😔
as an American I can say that we love the people of china, its just our governments that don't get along. As the saying goes, Old men make war while young men die fighting them.
the only war I could forsee is perhaps a second cold war
@@cheeseninja1115Thanks and totally agree.😊
Russia has combat experience and Russia and China military are collaborating a lot.
@@scumbagdyln if anything gets too physical the next "wave" of conflicts could be a series of scirmishes
obama also a good quote back during the romney debate: "it's not a game of battleship, where we're counting ships. it's about strategy and what the military needs. we have fewer ships now than before, but we also have fewer horses and bayonets."
May have a good quote but he was a horrible president
The only guy to ever quote a president who’s only accomplishment is robbing most everybody into some brain dead worthless healthcare that maybe helped 1%of the population you democrats are eroding the country u mfs are under chinas payroll because every damn thing y’all do helps them in a way
America is Quality over Quantity while most other countries aren’t as advanced as our military therefor other countries are more Quantity and Quality
@@BigUnc985 we haven’t had a great president since Calvin. But he hasn’t been the worst in the last few decades. Between republicans and democrats they are about equally as bad.
Ya all the death in Ukraine and Afghanistan are on democrat hands their voters too
Worth noting that when they mentioned submarines, the US Navy has 71 nuclear powered subs, meaning they can run indefinitely, do not need to surface, operate at higher speeds for far longer, and their range is only limited by the need to resupply for food for the crew. China has 3 nuclear powered subs. The US Navy and Air Force would currently shred China's Air Force and Navy.
The US domination in air/watercrafts I think is one of the sole reasons of our
Military superiority the fact were already developing new super carriers and stealth bombers goes to show that
@@stuartdubbs9605 We probably shouldn’t be building super carriers anymore, and should be focusing more on more numerous smaller carriers. Mostly because hypersonic missiles pose a legitimate threat to them, and we don’t necessarily know how effective laser counter measures will be yet. It may not be the wisest idea to put so many eggs in giant baskets going forward.
@@TerryTerius agree, we need to update our marine assault ships as a bigger fleet that way we dont have all our eggs in a few big baskets
Also like it was said Land is becoming the past its all about Air and Sea in war now. Thats why US is so invested in Missiles, Aircraft, drones, and Newer Aircraft carriers.
United States Air Force mission will want to keep the Navy Forces floated up instead dragging it down, where People's Republic of China have way overpowered Navy Forces or Arm Forces which can drag the Air Forces down. Overall United States Arm Forces on the ground are more capable to carry more nuclear warheads and technological advantages than People's Republic of China, because they are mostly old people who are working for the services than their are younger generations of Arm Military Defenses from United States National Forces build-up in future.
It is important to note that all the tanks in China's arsenal are old soviet cold war era tanks. The U.S. uses the M1 Abraham's, which is the best tank in the world, in which not 1 was ever lost in battle
They have been making their own tanks recently. They aren't as good as an Abrahams, but are still decent domestic tanks. They do lack the ability to independently manufacture modern aircraft though
Best tank in the world to you but the Swedes with their version of Leopard tank dominated the American M1. So the best in the world not really.
@@kingwacky184 dominated how exactly. Definitely not in a war. Lol
The last part is not true.
The Abrams is a great tank, but they did have losses in battle.
In Desert Storm 2 M1s were destroyed by their crews after sustaining unrepairable damage.
In OIF 19 total M1s were destroyed: 7 by ATM and ATGM, 5 by their crews due to damage, 2 by enemy tanks and 5 by mines.
Further 11 M1s over all of service history were destroyed by friendly fire, but that doesn't count.
That's only US Army and MC operated ones.
Iraqis and Saudis lost another 120-140 M1s, but that's arguably due to them using old models and untrained crews.
the M1 can hit a target something like half a mile away while moving 50mph or something like that
The US has a defense budget of $753.5 billion (not trillion). Their total GDP is “only” $20.94 trillion
So you are suggesting Vietnam was able to defeat both the US and China in the past because it had a huge defense budget.
@@alvindurochermtl when did anyone suggest that?
@@alvindurochermtl No it was hard to spot soldiers because they hid in the jungle do research
@@alvindurochermtl We could have nuked Vietnam at any time, and North Vietnam was BACKED by China, they didn't defeat them.
@@edsmith3461-z7m But you didn't, and you lost, it is what it is.
They didn’t focus on quality of the weapons at all. According to India there “Stealth” fighter isn’t really stealth. They have 20 but they can barely keep 10 in the sky.
China would defeat the USA in an event of war 😝
China would defeat the USA in an event of war 😝
@@ThePrinceOfNigeria I think your wrong. First of all just like China the USA would never allow defeat, they would rather destroy the planet. But USA would have an easier time invading China then China invading USA. They don’t even have the equipment to invade the country of Taiwan!
@@ThePrinceOfNigeria they like to copy things rather then refine there own. It’s save lots of money but it guarantees you are always years behind.
@@ThePrinceOfNigeria LOL China's stealth aircraft is using an engine manufactured by Russia for a Russian aircraft.
A stealth plane using an engine NOT designed and manufactured specifically for it, is not stealthy.
Also, their only aircraft carrier uses a ski jump to launch planes. Too funny.
Also, in order for those planes to actually be able to launch, they have to severely reduce the amount of armaments they carry.
U.S. 71 nuclear submarines - China 3 and those 3 have lots of issues.
But, they look good on paper.
A major thing China lacks is logistics ships, oilers, transports, aerial-refueling tankers and 800+ bases in foreign countries for power projection. They can only fight in their own back yard whereas the USA is used to being a military force with global reach. Another problem is while by raw numbers they have lots of equipment and vehicles...most of it's "Made in China".
...and Russia.
Last 4 words say so much they can’t even make drywall that isn’t shit
yeah, it's not quality production there, just sheer numbers.
yea and these youtube channel are all wrong and inaccurate lol, you want a more accurate place, go to global power rankings website not youtube channels lol
Wouldn’t their cheap labor be directed towards like cheap products.
@ccbeh9103And you don’t think the USA has technology it ISN’T hiding? Only a fool lays out all his cards on the table. The US general population is allowed to own guns and believe me they do. Are the Chinese general population allowed to own a gun? Probably not since they’re only allowed one child I’m sure guns are off the table too.
Nooooooo not trillion. It was billions 😂. If we had 700 trillion dollars, that would be insane.
Yes came here to say the same thing. Not trillion 🤣
Right. We are only 20 trillion in debt, if we had 700 trillion...
@@TBLGuns
if we had 700 trillion...
we'd be 20 quadrillion in debt.
@@DrD0000M doubt it highly
There large navy doesn’t really contain many ships worthy of cross ocean travel. Where as most of ours have to be. There armed forces are very defensive based. Where USA is very forward and offensive because it has to be.
We also have a host of bases practically at their door-step. And even if our allies stayed out of a war and wouldn't let us use those bases, we can still fly bombers out of Guam, while China has nothing similar to counter it with.
Invading and holding territory in China would be next to impossible, but we could send a near-constant wave of ordnance targeting their national infrastructure until they conceded on whatever issue triggered a conflict.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 Awww! Look at you trying to get a dig in! So clever!
Never mind the fact that there's a marked difference between trying to wreck a nation's infrastructure and trying to protect it from insurgents; and that your comparison is absurd.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 Afghanistan wasn’t the kind of war that the average American citizen felt in danger from. But a war with China would change things. As an American I can say we probably wouldn’t handle it very well. How we left Afghanistan was terrible but it was definitely not a fight for the survival of our people. So that’s an apples to jet engines comparison.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 both country’s economies are tied together so much that it would be bad for everyone. People tend to think of China cut USA off is would be horrible( and it would) but they get most of there money from US. And the dollar is very important to CCP. There actually having a shortage of US dollars right now. So as soon as our money dries up there economy will be even worse then it is now.
@APOLLO APOLLO 1 the threat to American in the homeland??? We left them allot of weapons but they don’t have a way to seriously attack mainland US. So no the domestic threat is nothing like a war with China.
You looked confused by the electronic warfare assets, thought I'd share. Those planes are capable of interception of enemy communication along with directed electrical and sonic weapons. Neither country here was involved but a semi-famous incident occurred in the Black Sea where Russia successfully disabled an American vessel. It's a light read that'll give you a basic idea of capability. Basically if something can send a signal out, you can mess with it using EWAs.
They can also jam and spoof enemy radar, making even our non-stealth aircraft effectively stealth.
Huh, I'm surprised Daz didn't know about China and India's border disputes and fights (or at least he didn't mention it when Dave asked/brought up how China has more countries directly near them. I feel like Daz is usually aware of what's going on in the world.
China and Russia play defence while we play offense. These stats make sense when looking at it with that perspective.
these youtube channel is also very inaccurate too lol
A lot of the tanks and equipment the Chines have is outdated. And American troops are better trained. In a war the Americans would win a lot bc of their better trained troops, better equipment and aircraft carriers.
Actually, the US can easily defend against missiles that leave the atmosphere and come back down. What makes the new Chinese missiles hard to stop is that they travel that fast while still in the atmosphere, making them extremely hard to detect.
Its still Chinese tech, I wouldn't count on it working reliably. The recent test DID leave the atmosphere and also missed a stationary target. Nothing they aim at is going to still be there when the missile arrives.
#JDAM. Bring it.
13:25- Daz: “There’s shitloads of shit up there.” 😂
Electronic warfare refers to both JAMMING the enemy such as scrambling their radar and IT and also command and control of the forces that your own side has on the ground, sea, and air by your own IT guys.
The US Navy has a significant amount of fighters/bombers and helicopters which I don't think they added to the list. They only listed the US Air Force.
Apparently the world's biggest air force is the USAF, and the second biggest is the USN.
@@nancysexton4364 Yup!
Yes, these are not the most up to date or correct numbers and lots of equipment in all branches is not included in these counts. The video is kind of useless in that regard.
What's up guys been loving the content
"Thats too many people" I love daz 🤣😂😂🤣🤣
This is full of technically correct but incredibly vague information that can paint a weird picture lol.
Mikes science checks out. I'd be listening to him more often.
Japan, India, Australia, and the United States form a quad of nations who are practicing military drills together in response to tension in the area with china in the south china sea
Plus Great Britain who has one of their carriers sailing in that area right now.
@@wesleypeters4112 usa, uk an australia? looks like the bands getting back together
Your forgetting that China also has major allies with very capable armies like Russia Pakistan North Korea Indonesia Iran all in the same region so I don’t think these countries can take Down China
@@shahidg1760Russia is struggling to a bunch of civilians they are not a threat, north korea will not be in any conflict only real fighters would be Pakistan and Indonesia, the US can beat all of them by themselves tho
USA also has 9 helo carriers aka Assault Ships and 20 Cruisers only Russia also has cruiers and only 5!
I don’t even want to think of a military conflict between the us and China right now. The state of things today makes me sad
According to my sources these numbers are not right. I am an American. My son served in navy special ops. I did not breathe for 7 years. Love you guys.
There's a huge tech disparity between the US and China. And numbers don't tell the story. You can see the differences in doctrine here too, where the US has invested heavily in air power/tech, as that is what wins modern wars.
I mean, the f16 Growler is a EW variant of the f16 which is probably more survivable than the bigger aircraft that china uses for its EW missions, along with the sheer number of stealth aircraft the US has in the f22, f35, and the b2
8:13 China's stealth bombers are so good that their official count stands at zero.
You will soon see that it is no longer 0
Apparently the FBI recently raided a Chinese owned company in FL for possibly being linked to cyberattacks. If I recall correctly, I think the company had something to do with making or installing POS terminals.
You crazy cats crack me up all the time. Thank you.
The U.S. navy also has 98 EA-18 electronic warfare aircraft
The latest buzz with the Chinese missiles isn't their speed, the US has missiles that meets or exceeds those speeds. As well as the defenses to counter them. The trouble with these new Chinese missiles is that they DO NOT leave the atmosphere, that renders current known US defenses obsolete.
As for the submarines, the US holds a clear advantage. The video did not break the submarine types down - the overwhelming majority of Chinese subs are diesel. So damn loud that it's no trouble at all to track them.
All US submarines are nuclear. Have been since 1990. Just wanted to add that to illustrate that Chinese military tech is more than 30 years behind the US. Aside with their North Korean levels of obsession with missile tech. Resting your military tech on a single piece of hardware makes for a quite brittle power.
There is a pro to diesel subs over nuclear subs however. Once diesels subs jump over to their batteries they can be as silent even more silent than our nuclear powered subs. There are many advantages to nuclear power subs however that can negate the advantages of diesel subs though.
@@sidd0123 - This is correct. Basically they both serve different purposes. One is more a bit more focused on defensive while the other (in war) is more offensive, in general.
While I agree with most of what you said. But the Chinese subs are diesel electric. Submerged they can be very quiet because they are run on electricity not diesel.
@@sidd0123 Pretty much as demonstrated in the wargame where the swedish diesel-electric sub dominated.
Why didn't they compare amphib ships like LPD LHA etc?? When I was in the Navy I was on LPD-17 USS San Antonio, the ability to deploy marines and equipment is important!
Reminder: it is reasonably difficult to get precise values on quantity of military assets. The US even claims to have lost count of international bases.
The United States has 11 active nuclear powered carriers. The only other country to have a nuclear powered carrier is France. All of the other remaining carriers including China's are conventional powered. China's two carriers are based on Soviet design.
First time I've seen a Humvee referred to as an "Armored" car...
As of recently there was an accident involving China and Indian forces where I’m Chinese troops and Indian troops encounter each other on a mountain in the middle of the neutral zone and a fight broke out leading to several injured and one fell to his/ her/ they/ then/it/ attack helicopters death
IT'S NOT ABOUT NUMBERS, IT'S ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. UNITED STATES DOMINATES IN THAT CATEGORY.
it's very nice to see a lot of person think that. This propaganda helps people sleep well.
8:53 those aircraft can degrade the effectiveness of enemy radar and radio systems through radar jamming and deception techniques. There are too many techniques to list in this comment, but you can read about some here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception?wprov=sfti1
Aslos note the massive refueling capability o the US Air Force. They can project power by constantly keeping planes in the air and flying far from base. The Chinese had very little of this which forces them to stay near their own border. This reinforces Mike's observation that the Chinese forces are defensive while the US are offensive- regardless of sea, air or land
Is it me, or do the Chinese equivalents look like toys?
It's you
They’re crappy knockoffs. They really do look like toys
@@MeanLaQueefa China will beat USA hands down
One of the (many) reasons the US has less overall equipment is because anything it produces needs to cross an ocean before it can be used. We've gotten pretty good at putting things on boats, in planes, and dangling beneath helicopters, but it gets fucking expensive.
Nobody ever wants to talk about tech to tech ratio or experience. Plus Chinese soldiers don’t have the same will that a us marine might.
love the casual racism from the bloke in the white shirt.
Regarding going to war with China it's a matter of WHEN, not IF and it will happen sooner than you want to believe.
To all past, present, and future vets:
Salute
Respect
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China is not Afghanistan Iraq or Syria 😂
@@shahidg1760 No shit Sherlock I never mentioned those trigger points/hot spots how did you extrapolate them from my comment on China? Get a grip civvie.
@@guerrillaentrepreneur5999 I’m just telling u, IF u lost from taliban how do u expect to win from China 😂 they already destroyed your naval ship using cyber technology
@@shahidg1760 There's a huge difference between an officially declared war (House, Congress, Senate, Cabinet) and small conflict when it is officially declared a war the nation goes into overdrive for the war effort (all pertinent industries). There is no comparison regarding the scale, effort and what is thrown at the enemy after declared war go study WWI/WWII. Fighting the Taliban was a very low intensity conflict deadly for sure, but miniscule compared to a war with China.
@@guerrillaentrepreneur5999 even if u do all that u can’t win against China mate, it has stronger allies than US
They wouldn't talk about chemical or viral warfare because they are both illegal under the Geneva convention. Not saying they aren't a thing, our government is capable of just about anything, just that would be part of deeply classified information.
That’s why the wuhan fly was released “accidentally”.
1.4 Billion Chinese need to be fed. That's a pressure the US doesn't have to deal with
Can you do a UK vs comparison maybe against Italy two countries Americans can trust especially UK!
China coming soon world supoerfull
I'm glad China was accommodating enough to give us all of their military numbers, how sweet...
These are all acknowledged numbers. However, both countries have a lot of equipment that is top secret and never gets counted in official numbers.
Germany vs Poland Military Power Comparison would be interesting!
The U.S. is fielding laser weapons to shoot down missiles.
A few things are kind of misleading or glossed over.
China's 2 aircraft carriers:
Only 1 is operational and uses a ski jump. This means the planes must decrease the amount of fuel and armaments they can launch with. Also, the J-15, their "advanced" carrier plane had had multiple crashes and deaths, The programs has been suspended numerous times and only pressure from the top political leadership has kept the program running.
Stealth program:
Their stealth fighter has to use an engines purchased from Russia, that was designed for a Russian plane. This means that, while the Chinese plane will now fly, it is by no means stealthy, as only an integrated engine design for the specific aircraft, helps an airframe meet the strict parameters to achieve stealth operation.
Nuclear Submarine Fleet:
China has 3. Meaning all others are of the much older diesel designs. (America has 71)
Tanks:
The Chinese have 1200 new MBTs. The 98/99 series. All the rest are old Chinese or Russian designs from the 60's.
Really wish these videos went into detail of the hardware they are mentioning, for example China only has 3 nuclear powered submarines while the US’s 77 submarine fleet has 77 nuclear submarines. The technology the US has is far greater than Chinas.
The numbers of all vehicles are not that important if all nuclear weapons are used.
They left out that trhe US Navy has its own set of planes, helicopters etc that makes the US advantage even larger. Air superiority destroys ground AND sea forces
Would it be reasonable to assume that due to china's vast population,if food production centers were to be destroyed in some way,that China would have a huge problem on their hands? The bigger population is a plus in terms of manpower,but only if it's capable of being maintained during wartime
When the first bomb landed on either country its the end of the world.
EW scrambles and emits radar signatures. They can make 3 planes look like hundreds and misdirect the enemy. They can also do more classified things.
The last slide is the only one that matters, and why China would never attack the US.
Electronic Warfare planes are for jamming not hacking. They disrupt an enemy's battlefield communications.
Electronic warfare aircraft fill roles like jamming the enemy’s radar.
bring it on!
It was asked how can a physical object crazily go 5 times the speed of sound. Five times speed of sound is around 3836 mph (miles per hour). For comparison though, consider that meteors entering our atmosphere, no matter its size, can go 10000 to 60000 mph, or more. That speed was of course built up traveling through space for vast distances & via the gravity wells induced in our Sol system, most of it by Sol itself.
Traveling through an atmosphere isn't comparable to traveling through a vacuum.
@@pinkiepie1656 ... The comparison was between a meteor & the missile, not between 2 dissimilar densities. The aforementioned "meteors entering our atmosphere, no matter its size" can still potentially go 10-20 times faster than that hypersonic missile moving at 5[c], assuming it doesn't fully break up in the ionosphere due to its kinetic energy, once it hits a higher density than a void.
Drones don't care about how many people are in its strike radius. ;)
Those numbers I don't think are quite so accurate.
One of the main things that this group cannot compare is the non standard army of over 100 million non militarized forces in America.
A top priority of U.S. military doctrine has been to rule the air since the second world war. A huge chunk of our airpower can be used as airborne artillery (fighter/ bomber multi role aircraft, and dedicated ground attack aircraft), hence the lower number of ground based artillery units. Consider also that we currently have the largest number of aircraft carriers in the world, supported by the largest, and most advanced fleet on the ocean. At last count we have 11 active full size carriers, with two more under construction, that carry an average of 64 planes each. There are also 8 amphibious support ships which carry additional aircraft, as well as the Marine expeditionary forces.
Lol, I wrote this before the Naval segment in the video.
Based off these #'s 90% of the Chinese military is on foot while the US lead in armored vehicles, total air and naval power across the board.
I wouldn’t necessarily worry about the 1.4 billion people. Only about 300-400 million of those people live a “modern” or first world lifestyle.
The thing the video doesn't show is the quality and how modern the equipment is. US's is up to date and modern while a lot of China's is not modern. The video needs to show that as well.
Imagínate tener todo ese armamento, juntarse con otros 33 países, y perder contra pastores en sandalias.
Im not American but I’m eligible to enlist because Im from a sovereign country. The only time I’ll enlist is when China starts getting out of hand. No offense to Chinese Americans but you left there for a reason.
“Trillion” 😂 Not yet
9:57 that number is wrong, USA have 20 aircraft carrier (source: google)
11 😎
"Made in China"... That's OUR biggest advantage!!!
but USA president is also “Made in China”
China has more submarines, but the US has the P3-Orion, which is an aircraft designed to hunt and destroy submarines.
Something interesting to think about when considering conflict with China is force integration. China's military is still currently highly segmented, with departments not cooperating in a battle context. The US military forces all work very closely with each other to coordinate actions to work as a single cohesive force towards an objective, even our hardware assets talk to each other for targeting and recon to give our strikes ungodly over the horizon capability.
Those hypersonic missiles are a problem though. If Chinese satellites can see our carriers, a saturation strike would overwhelm the limited kinetic kill interceptor missiles on our ships right now. So unless we can completely blind their targeting we very well could lose some invaluable ships.
Until China decides to invade Taiwan it's not going to come to war though. But I don't know if the US can sit it out when they do invade Taiwan, so that is going to be a really bad time for the world.
中华人民共和国和中华民国宪法共同承认台湾和大陆同属一个中国。
We hadhyper Sonic manned aicraft
in the sixties.I am pretty sure we have improved on. Them since then
most of those atleast for land veichles are old models like from the 60's so I wish they would specify that
Don't forget Emma and her lesbian moms.
Billion dollars, not trillions.
Japan, Australia, India, South korea to name the least are allies but the US has territories in the area as well
What's crazy is that Elon Musk could use all his money and buy an army and take over a 2nd world country with ease if he wanted to.
He's bonkers, but he probably realizes you don't need to 'take over' a country with military force to subvert and dominate its populace. Long march through the institutions with an ideology.
Have you noticed that all their airplanes does not even have jet engines vs us. They are mostly propeller planes.
As a Chinese why china can't grow up ？？but i know ArmyAs long as the People's Liberation Army participated in the war, the U.S. military did not win once, the Korean War and the Vietnam War
When the disparity in armaments is so large。。。And the problem of opium left by the British
Hello I'm from vietnam do you like vietnam? =)
Let’s just hope these two won’t fight
It would be impossible for The US, Russia and China to invade each other because of all their military strength and numbers.
True
Electronic warfare aircraft are aircraft with radar/radio wave jamming instruments onboard.
united states also has the most veteran military force on earth. nobody has more combat veterans than the united states. china fights pretty much nobody at all and has an army/navy/airforce that is incredibly green.
Ben stokes?
Side note, don't sell yourselves short Office Blokes. You guys were wondering who number 2 was... It's very likely to be you guys. Our older brother across the pond. Well known to be fierce and highly competent fighters, The UK is often the only military up there compared with the US.
Much of China's assets are older Soviet crap. Their Navy looks big on paper but much of it's Navy is composed of smaller coastal ships. China does not have a true blue water Navy. The biggest difference is command and control and training. The PLA has a top down command structure which means all decisions are made at the top and filter down. This process does not allow for individual decision making at the tactical level. This is slow and cumbersome in war.
Yeah, their Navy has gotten bigger over the years b/c of their doings in the North China Sea......but it just has that range....in no way no hiw does it project to America's overall Navy strength
Imagine having 4 thousand Nuclear weapons, fuck..
China doesn’t even have a 5th gen fighter in 2023 and the us has had hypersonic missles for years. We had stealth helicopters for years that no one even knew about. The numbers don’t tell half of the story. Our subs and carriers are nuclear powered which China doesn’t even have.
🤣🤣这个笑话很好笑
The Air Force calls Army tanks target practice.
yea alot of these are wrong and inaccurate, they are either counting the old tanks or they are just guessing lol china actually have around 3600 tanks and the US have 6400 tanks
During a war it’s important to remember which country is capable of feeding its population. Chinese dependence on foreign calories is a long term liability for any prolonged conflict.
morale too though. boots on the ground in China, every single person there would fight the americans tooth & nail. boots on the ground in the US, and a not-insignificant amount of Americans hate the government so much that they would temporarily side with the Chinese, or just look the other way and go into hiding. Thousands of fighting age American men will answer to balkanized regional "tribes," not the US.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 obviously you've never been to the US, so it's okay that you have no idea. That's literally the furthest from the truth that anything anyone has ever said before. Ever. We don't give a shit about the government, but that would be fighting for our homeland.
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 and those chinese fighting tooth and nail don't have an Ar15, shotguns, and pistols and 10,000 rounds of ammo in their gun safe, do they?
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 lol we would never side with the Chinese
@@sdjslkdjlsskldjslkdjsl8262 I don't know what you're smoking, but lay off because it's causing hallucinations.
All those space age weapons but still can’t parallel park
So funny, it’s like this two greatest Army’s ever fought a real Wars, who did they defined?
trillion? LOL!!
It's billion...
aircraft is our big d in locker room lol no need for other