Where Did Kohberger Dump bloody Items? Missing Time
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- Where Did Kohberger Dump Items! Missing Time Update
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at the 6:40 mark I accidentally said 3:32 and it should be 4:32 as I stated other times in the video. sorry about that.
@@BILLYRFCNO1 ditto
@Gray Hughes Investigates You mean you’re human? You actually miss-spoke? Not our man Gray! We love him because he’s perfect! Well, almost 😅 Now, straighten that 😇 (jk)
right I said that in the video
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@Gray Hughes Investigates Do you think he'd give up that knife or keep somewhere to be admired later? Weirdo creeper.
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Was just watching your video here and wanted to give an imo on where it could be located , I actually had commented a many months back on someone’s channel,”unsure who’s “ but I had a dream “which was very odd” because I do not dream that much and when I do they are very real and vivid, Anyways In my dream I saw a barn or cabin that sat next to a hill side and was high weeds or what looked similar to wheat, I did not see a vehicle but I seen three people walking back from the barn/cabin, 2 men 1 female, the femal was behind the other two ,..Anyways when I watched your video , That Dream immediately came to my mind as you were driving up that rd and I see the wheat like weeds and also what look like a red barn…Can you do another view of it like the other side , where maybe the rd or driveway goes into that barn? Lol, please don’t think I’m crazy, I had that dream outta nowhere and it was saying that was where weapon was hid, I could also see plain as day , trees , that were on each side of the as they were leaving , but no trees around location of the barn, also seen what looked like a fog or a very heavy mist …Idk it was a crazy dream and It had totally left my mind until I saw this video, And what you said about the timing make so much since…
Keep it up, Gray! There are thinking people out here that appreciate the seriousness you give to this case. You are respecting the families AND your viewers with these videos and with your research. I pray his clothing and the knife are discovered.
I don't believe this so-called "research" proves anything, one way or another. It's just an opinion. The facts and evidence known to the public are few and far between.
Feelings are just information people.
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I am actually kind of surprised there arent hundreds of people out with metal detectors and scent dogs looking for those crucial pieces of evidence.I think he burried them in an abandonded structure or dumped them in a river or lake.
I thought they found clothes in his neighbors trash?
I am too!! I thought for sure we would have seen some online sleuths at least out there scoping out spots, even drone footage of areas of disturbed dirt/land….. haven’t really seen anyone talk about until Gray now showing us video of the route…….
he must have got rid of the evidence during his ride back, no later. it has all been carefully planned. the bloody clothes and the knife are burried somewhere where his phone was closed.
I know I would be if I was there and it was legal. I don't think he would have put the item in water, or on Public lands. I think he likely did the preparing previous on an edge of a Farm, etc., but not on public lands.
With this guy, anything is possible
Another well thought out video Gray. I think he pulled a Dexter, this was a well planned attack. He believed he thought of everything, wouldn’t get caught and if he did he would beat the charges. Honestly, I think he really believes he will get out and committed the perfect crime. He’s one sick puppy who should never be set free…
I agree. But, how stupid is BK to drive his car there? He may have thought of everything, but driving his car was pure stupidity. He could have parked his car in a store parking lot and walked to King road. Or for that matter, parked his car on the side of the road and walked there, it was 4:00 in the morning. Why did he think driving his car was ok? Surely he thought there would be cameras in the area.
@@tamijoyce5086 It makes perfect sense for him to drive his own car. He had no friends, no one has come forward to say so. He really had no other option. I believe he really didn’t think this through the way he thought he did. When you are driven by hate and rage, common sense goes out the window. This was a planned attack, I think he pulled a Dexter and didn’t really have a backup plan in case he got caught. Now he has to play the system, file as many nonsensical, meaningless court filings to try to find a technicality to get out of this trial. The more I think about it the more I have come to believe he wants to set a precedent in respect to this horrific case. Then he can be studied and write books, etc…
I bet he pooped himself when he realized the knofe sheath was missing
Early hours trash runs to neighbouring trash cans wearing gloves and a mask with zip locked bags don't seem so off now cos the sheath was worrying him?he's
Up-to-date with criminal justice and how forensics work as a criminology student and knows DNA can be traced to him with his father's..trash manoeuvres in dead of night dress like a ninja was for
A reason and it wasn't cos of anything else?IMO..who cleans cars interior late at night too?he
Doesn't seem to sleep much either?,,30 off hours awake maybe more on the 13/11/22 to last known whereabouts on 14/11/22?
I believe in Coincidences but once maybe twice but when there's multiples it's something else?can't wait to see what his route to the park was that he drove re his ALIBI?? 😁😁😁😁
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So good to find a channel that hasn't turned this case into a conspiracy theory, BK is 💯 guilty for sure Imo.
Reasonable speculation based on factual information ❤
Agreed
If you don't mind my asking, what is it exactly that makes you believe BK is "100% for sure" guilty?
I want to understand why people like you can presume guilt with 100% confidence without doing any actual hands-on investigative work yourselves?
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Good for you! I waited years and I regret that. Over ten months in, I am happy to be a FREAK!
Same here it's getting nuts on many channels now.
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He planned everything, he knew exacly where he would hide, his bloody clothes, shoes and knife.
Another badass video. I think he took snow road off of 95 and stashed his rolled up shower curtain in a culvert off the side of that road. Its pitch black out there and he xoukd have seen cars coming in either direction. Came back the next day to get it and then buried it all and the backpack he hiked it in with to Bald Butte. Hiking boots, shovel, and a reflective vest were found in his car. I think he had the vest just in case someone asked him what he was doing out there.
A farmer said, her dogs started barking around that time of his route back home.
where was the farmer
I read that too not long after the incident.
Is this a fact, or hearsay?
@@cpscpscpsa fact
Gray, if I were LE, I’d be working with the County Roads crews (and Count GIS Mapping) to get their thoughts on where BK ditched his evidence. Those guys know those roads forwards and backwards and you can bet they’ve talked about where BK might have stopped and dug a hole. They would also know which roads are poorly maintained and not good candidates for a travel route. We also know BK was no outdoorsman, so you’re on point that he likely ditched evidence close to his car. Unless he’s really unintelligent, he wouldn’t ditch evidence on cultivated (or fallow) farm land either. Farmers know their land and I’ll bet everyone in the area has examined their property if it’s adjacent to a road. So, what’s left? The elevated woodland you pointed out early in the video is a good bet. But only if the road is in good enough condition that he wouldn’t risk high centering or getting a flat tire, or as you suggested, slipping on ice.
Keep up the good work! Your videos are a blast to watch.
Excellent research giving me plenty to think about. Thank you also for your strong and clear voice/sound - can't say that about some of the other UA-camrs I watch.
Thanks for your continued extensive coverage on this case with your standout logic that makes the most sense.
That bloody Sunday, he visited King Road at 9AM again and then went to another city with a big lake, maybe ditching the bloody things including the Knife to that lake.
Hopefully they have his phone records for day or two after murders. He likely moved items elsewhere after initial drop.
I think if he buried stuff on that route, it was temporary. I've just got a feeling he took the clothes, knife and dumped them somewhere on the route to PA.
I doubt he’d do that with his dad present
Pretty risky to carry it around in the car. He got stopped at least twice on the way to PA.
Where ever the knife and other evidence is, i dont think it was a rush decision. I think he had it all planned prior. Even up to digging a hole or whatever needed to do in order to dispose of things fast with less chance of being seen.
I agree. He seems to be obsessive about things, like cleaning. Im sure he planned everything to a T.
You know what "they" say about opinions?
@@beccagee5905What leads you to believe he is obsessive?
It would be so awesome to have a drone to see if there was anything that looks disturbed in any way. This is very much a possibility, fantastic footage Grey. I think you are on to something, I sure hope someone is watching this .I think because of the time of year the ground would be hard to dig so maybe he did it prior to the crime?
I can't see him digging a hole. Much easier just to toss into a lake/river. Digging requires effort and the chance of being caught.
Thanks Gray. I am sure you're very close to where he dumped but it is a vast area so I have no idea of my own. Very good video of possibilities.
I think he did the same thing he did with the house earlier...he practiced the route over and over with his phone on the whole time. So his earlier phone records would be most helpful.
And if the earlier phone records do not show he "practiced the route over and over", would that prove his innocence?
He may have used those 16 minutes burying his knife in some cemetery, tucked away in the woods. Perhaps the Lutheran Church or Genesee Valley Church. Finding it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack, or so he thinks. Place it in the ground next to a grave stone. Ghoulish, I know, but somehow seems plausible. Blaine has a cemetery also.
I may be wrong but wasn't there a shovel in his car when it was searched?so if he tried burying the items wouldn't he have a hard time because of the time of year in idaho,maybe he went back because he couldn't bury them deep enough.not sure if the waters were iced over yet.
I think I recall something about a shovel too. I have to look that up. You're right, time of year makes such a difference.
I thought they found the shovel clean though??
@@user-gy5so3nl5d I'm not sure but probably wiped the dirt off.
Another fact-based logical video. Thank you Gray!!
Take this with a grain of salt.. a lot of people say that I am psychic. I wouldn't go that far. But I have watched this case all the way through. And I have had several dreams of a deep dark well. As I said take it with a grain of salt.. I think it could be that I get this whole thing stuck in my head. And I have dreams about it.
I firmly believe that Kohberger is the killer. At first I thought he could have dumped the knife and clothing in the Snake River, but I think he disposed of them closer than the river. If there are ponds or small lakes nearby, I would think that's a good possibility.
Why do you believe BK is the killer?
Because his DNA was on the sheath and there is video of his car being there that night. @@cpscpscps
@@cpscpscpsprobably because of all the evidence. Just my first thought
@el34glo59 what evidence?
@JAG119 you r right BK ain’t going to give up that knife for anything, and IMO he kept a body part from one of the girls also. He has got them buried somewhere after he went to Walmart to buy a shovel and a bucket to bury his trophy’s in!!!!
... excuse me... what??
Could the shovel have been of the snow variety? They do, afterall, live in Idaho
Tf
That’s a very plausible area, Gray. I would speculate he buried knife, clothing, and gloves in a deeply buried bucket to avoid metal detection, but not lidar.
I don’t understand the purpose of the trip to Lewiston, other than it’s a feint to create confusion.
If I had been the killer I would have left my phone at home and taken a piece of paper marked with abbreviated road names, turns, mileages after committing a map to careful study. Tape it to the dash. Used to navigate this way solo before cell phones/GPS.
i wudda used a burner phone with offline maps/gps...or a garmin type device gps, i don't think u can trace those..or just og paper map atlas lol
Considering how dark it is and how there’s no identifiable landmarks out there in the country It either implies LOTS of trips and practice, or maybe he did get a little lost out there requiring him to use his GPS.
Another very interesting video, Gray! I actually do not believe he buried the weapon, I think he held on to it as his sick trophy 😢
If so, they would have found it.
@@leahmitchell287 I think it was found in his parents home in PA
It’s possible that it’s buried in a container to preserve it for him to retrieve at a later date. He never thought he’d get caught
@@bryanrichardson6401 I guess anything is possible
@@lorismith7790 I’d love to know that! He’s toast if they did, obviously
Hi Gray, I keep meaning to come leave you a message. I think everything you’ve done is brilliant!!! You explain it to a T! Keep up the great work
I'm thinking the spot would not be too far from the road, and he would definatly have wanted to ditch the evidence at the soonest opportunity. Riding for 15 minutes with a bloody knife and clothing in the car would be a big no. Any desolate spot he could pull off, and he could see in both directions, not a lot of traffic, and no houses closeby.
Even if he memorized the route, BK would also have needed to choose a hiding spot that he could easily find quickly in the dark and also could easily be found again the next day if he was planning on moving the items somewhere else. He would have needed to use some sort of identifying marker that was visible at night…perhaps a prominent tree or other unique feature of the landscape? A spray paint dot on a telephone pole? Just food for thought to help stir some ideas
Absolutely 100% would have had to! Without 0.00001% chance of not using an identifying marker. It has to be BK. Noone else could have done it... Nope. BK all the way. 💯
Your content is great! But your whiny presentation gets annoying
Thanks Gray, this case is fascinating and have enjoyed watching along. I am deeply sickened by some other people posting videos on this case that add sensationalism and conspiracy to this tragedy for views.
Their are some things not available to the public yet but this case is will be more simple than people projecting, Psycho, sees victim, maybe get rejected or dismissed by one of them, stalks, kills. Others callatoral
*collateral
If there is a lake or pond in either of the two sections mentioned, I would think that's where he would hide the plastic bag. No dogs would find it. I'm sure LE has searched.
I am sure there are ponds. so cliche. but perhaps cliche for a reason.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Hello Gray, good video but curious as to why you prefer the "dump in the woods" to "dumped into water" angle.
Law Enforcement do have the very best engineers in the cellular data game.
They will be able to say Exactly why certain roads were of his route. Every cell tower has it's own detailed "Footprint" and Receive areas. Altitudes can be huge factors with distant Towers receiving your signal when you hit the "Null Zone" for Repeaters, cell towers and all things RF. These rural areas can have Dead Zones as well but they are continually checked, mapped and logged by Service Providers, like Motorola say for its EMS PD Fire Air products.
Fire Departments and the Volunteer Firefighters particularly need to know where their Signals may or may not work due to many reasons.
Im hoping the computers in his car has data also, that they have retrieved.
Yes…in the Vallow-Daybell case they were able to pinpoint within FEET of Alex Cox’s cell hone signal
Wherever he pulled over it was where he would not be seen, not even by a passing car because he was likely stripping down and and cleaning himself off using whatever chemical agent would break down/destroy the evidence of blood on his body. Hopefully, the investigators are well aware of the routes that he took in the days leading up to the crimes
I think he stripped down outside of the house, bagged it to avoid transferring dna to his car.
@@bryanrichardson6401 I think that's quite likely. But he was in a big hurry to get out of there and sped and squealed tires leaving the scene. I think he would have pulled off somewhere out of the way to clean himself, dispose of the knife, bloody clothes, etc and change. Maybe he dumped some kind of DNA destroying agent all over the interior of his car while he was at.
@@goofygirl1311 But then there would be DNA in his car if he didn't strip down at the house. Blood will show under UV light, even bleach doesn't kill the cells. Also, investigators will know if he used something to clean up blood. That said, he could have wrapped the interior of his car with plastic to avoid any blood in his car.
@@goofygirl1311maybe he was in a big hurry because of the time he was taking to clean himself before leaving. Knowing he was running out of time
I keep thinking of him putting everything in culvert under a road ...
No, that would be dumb. Culverts are there to allow water flow. If you stop up the water flow, it will overflow and be a huge red flag. Unless he stashed it temporarily and got it out later.
I do appreciate these types of videos. Thank you.
I'm thinking he dumped some of that evidence at the market he visited during his 'cruise'
For me it's most likely that he dumped it in the interior of the route depicted, since the 16 mins has to include stopping time, checking of return routes, and most importantly, ensuring that the car and his person has been completely cleared of evidence. No matter how well rehearsed he was, I think it would take time to remove evidence that meticulously from his car, as well as bury it and disguise the spot. So for me the cache has to be pretty close to the driven route. In addition, I feel like there is a reason he went that far south and a reason that his phone pinged around the location of the extra 16 mins mark. He could have found a route farther north easily that would have given many remote spots to dump the stuff - yet he didn't. Perhaps it's a decoy but imo his dump spot was towards the southern end of his route near your plus-16 mark on the map. I like the jacksha road leg off the 95, down to the thorn creek road. About halfway along jacksha is a great spot, remote, no houses nearby, with a stand of trees that looks undisturbed for years. Perfect kind of spot and not too much of a detour since it loops right back to the 95.
Bingo
The ground was probably too hard to dig. Bryan likes to throw away in anyone else's dumpster
I believe BK destroyed the clothes but stashed the knife where he could retrieve it later
exactly
Me too!
Genessee Valley Cemetery/St. John's Parrish Genesee Valley Lutheran Church on old highway 95. Would be an idea place to discard or hide bloody clothing and evidence. Cadaver dogs wouldnt be of any help. They would go crazy there.
The “whining Gray” voice you do cracks me up!!
"Innocent until Proven Guilty" is only Accurate in A Court of Law.
This is not a Court of Law, for those that do not get it. It is a Public Forum Platform, and at last check, "Freedom of Speech" is also a part of the program "Innocent until Proven Guilty" arrives from.
Your videos are the absolute most reliable and credible and if they weren't you would be the first to say so. Thank You Gray
You know what Gray deletes negative comments about his findings. So f unbelievable. What a fraud.
It's strange Gray compared BK and BL's cases. But those are two very very different incidents. BL had a very close relationship to the victim. BK has none that are obvious. Plus there was already a history of violence between BL and Gabby. Bk had none. Not comparing apples to apples. I question Grays credibility. He just wants to think he can generalise people and situation.
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WTH?? He was just comparing the "Innocent until proven guilty" part...NOTHING else. Imma go out on a limb and say that you must believe that lowlife POS BK is innocent @@avjam
And the same people are saying that the surviving roommates need to be charged without any proof as well as claiming that law enforcement is guilty of covering things up. All with zero proof or reason.
I think you’re absolutely awesome. Everything sounds so knowledgeable and correct I agree with you.
IF he dumped them, the Snake River is big and the most likely spot to dump, according to his phone he was there and wouldn't even had to get out of the car, just toss em from the bridge...
I keep wondering if he would bury his contaminated clothing at all. If buried it can be found at a later date. May have permanently disposed of it eg in a rubbish disposal or incinerated elsewhere. He worked in the crime department at the university, he may have known where???
He was a Ph. D student in criminology and a teaching assistant. He didn’t work in the “crime department”.
@@leahmitchell287 Yes, I am aware of that. My point is he would have knowledge of possible disposal options. Did the university have a Medical department, or Biology department disposing of dissection remains???
Love you GRAY…. But I really don’t think they’ll ever find that knife😞😞
didn't say they would.
So because they don't have the knife, or any other evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict BK, are we still to believe BK was the assailant?
It makes sense that he might have buried stuff out there in those hills.
A thought just occurred to me Gray. The next time your cruising Moscow, I think it would be interesting if you dropped your friend by where house used to be and you park at Linda lane then have him hollar and see how well you hear him and if You’re able to understand what he says ? Pls?
I’m convinced he prepared a spot beforehand to make disposal easier in a heightened state. One concern about rural roads is the possibility of being seen because it is so unusual to see cars at that time of night. Also black ice could undo him. So, I’m thinking an easy stop somewhere where he can’t be seen but if caught he could have. A prepared answer, like, I had to stop for a leak’. And they need to be easy to go back to and again not raise suspicions. I liked e spot at 11.15 in your last visit where there was a stand of tress on the left side and a road loops around. Easy to explain a car stop there. No houses around.
When you showed the dirt on BK video & said people were saying it was a tunnel. I was thinking of the Brian Laundry time when people said they saw his hand in the garden for his Mother to pass him something. (Oh brother!) There seems to be conspiracy theories on all the big cases. Thank God for GHI ❤😊
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Temporary dump at western aspect of white circle/teardrop. Then went back for it and dumped it in the Snake River later.
That part of the theory I don’t understand. Does it not call undue attention and risk and isn’t the buried cache secure in itself, why move anything? Snake River is an obvious feint IMO, camera at the Chef store, etc.
Great video Gray
In Idaho there are canals/irrigation ditches everywhere. That's a possibility for where he tossed the evidence. It would be be easy to do without being seen.
Too big an area to search. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. You hardly need to look for things used in the murders. I think that the DNA sample obtained from the sheath of the knife is enough to prove that the perpetrator was at the scene of the murder. I feel that the perpetrator has retrieved the knife and other items from the first hiding place closer to his residence. It could be that at least the knife could be found somewhere in the cache where his parents live.
Have you not been watching the latest update? DNA on the knife sheath is super unreliable because it's touch DNA, which means it also picks up DNA of people who touched the person or the knife even before the incident happened. DNA is easily transferable more than we realise. A lot of innocent people were convicted before because of this. Please do your research.
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@harri
Goid points, I agree
He is 1000% GUILTY.
BK was certainly a planner so would not be surprised at all that he knew where he was going to dump items in a predug hole.
He is so smart and so very stupid at the same time.
I will say it again of where I think the knife went.
First bridge crossing on that highway out of town that has a decent year round water source, on the opposite side of the road. I think he got out and pitched the weapon, asap. The clothing and foot booties, gloves etc., I think he buried them Exactly where you point out the beginning of that remote highway he did a pull off to a prepped spot, buried 1 garbage bag that took him 8 minutes approx. there and back on the route you show. He definitely blew it though by getting lost and needing the phone for mapping, even though he thought his high IQ mind would remember.
"His Digital Fingerprint and Trails" will convict him. I myself believe the computer seized will reap answers.
Thank you for your very high IQ, well thought out, copied opinion.
I would hope that the police checked his prior travels to see exactly where he was going near that area prior to the murders. He had to have studied and drove it in preparation
Wonder if anyone might have a trail cam catching him on it.
Very interesting. Keep up the good work, GrayHughes. Thank you.
Excellent video Gray‼️ I don't think he buried his clothes, shoes, knife because it could be found. I think he put it in a trash bag & put it in a trash dumpster so it will be destroyed!
I wonder if there's a way to find out if his family owns or rents a cabin or hunting property in that area or even someone connected to Kohberger? ...obviously that would be a familiar place for him like you said Gray, maybe someone could look into that if possible.
How many people would it take to search and perhaps find the knife and clothing. I agree with everything i have read of your
posts.
I don’t know forensics but would dogs still be able to track scents from bk or any of the victims?
@@bryanrichardson6401 Yes, scent dogs trained to pick up blood scent. After all this time however, BK's or the victim's scents wouldn't be likely.
@@user-gy5so3nl5d thank u! I wasn’t sure. Wonder if they had dogs in the area after they identified him as a suspect?
@@bryanrichardson6401 I'm not an expert either. Maybe a good idea to search how long a person's DNA stays in the environment. IDK if they put dogs out into the area, haven't heard anything about that. But they should have. Just like LE should have done a LOT of things they didn't do and DID some things they shouldn't have. Makes the whole case sketchy imo.
Abandoned mines spoil pits from construction , creeks sinkholes - might narrow things if compounded with time frame and access
Gray hughes teaching the channels how its done yet again...
You mean how to form an opinion and have a voice?
I wonder whether the doordash driver saw the Hyundai Elantra that night?
Great research you've done Gray ! Have you actually driven this route personally? I'm thinking even with the light snow or icy roads up near Johnson.. a Hyundai Elantra is front wheel drive. That car can easily drive around on slippery snowy roads- with good winter tires - no studs or chains needed. And even if he did need more traction , it only takes 2 minutes to put cable chains on front 2 tires. A good hunter who knows how to track.. native American trackers are skilled in noticing every single detail on the ground. They can identify tire tread marks , & if they are fresh , & by noticing how the leaves on the ground have been disturbed , as well as rocks , pinecones turned over.. it would not take a rocket scientist to comb that area of the Butte above Johnson... & learn exactly where the Hyundai pulled over - or turned into another gravel road - where it stopped. Where the " trail " ( made by BK ) heads to through the woods.. no matter how careful ,& light footed one is... There's no way possible to walk through the woods or fields , nor dirt or gravel..without leaving footprints, & a trail of broken twigs ..leading directly to the freshly dug dirt ,where a large black trash bag has been buried. Or to a body of water ..that items were weighted down & tossed into .. possibly even for planned retrieval at a later date. The cops / FBI must have alot of digital evidence, ( cars navigation system - imbedded inside dash behind radio) of his Hyundai... that FBI got access to. This would give them the exact travel route of that car - when it comes to a stop, when door(s) open / close , when car is idling , or turned off. No matter if his phone info can't be traced completely. The navigation system will. I can't imagine FBI not sending out a team of trackers in key areas to retrieve the weapons & bloody " Dexter" suit ... Unless they already have enough video or eyewitness evidence, & are confident in a conviction.
yeah, that's me driving the car.
Yes Gray it's innocent in the court of law , not the court of public opinion. That's a ridiculous thing to say to us like we can't think someone is guilty.
I think your on the right track.
Some of the people saying 'innocent until proven guilty' are the same people accusing just about everybody else. Possible that he was dumping stuff but it may also have simply been to compose himself through a massive adrenaline dump.
You have great instincts 😎I believe when he left king rd he Drove south. Must consider the probable patches of black ice that morning. Bk was a serious thinker. He went back saw no activity so he redid his stash the next day. Imo. Bravo 👏
The presumption of innocence and actual innocence are two different things.
Dont like placing exceptional and kohberger in a sentence together however his planning to not transfer any evidence from the crime scene to his car or unit or to leave any other evidence from his body (other than sheath snap ) is exceptional the experts that pulled his car to pieces can find one Hair ...its incredible how good the modern forensic guys are and they found nothing
..discussions with other forensic experts said the car was definately covered inside seat /steering wheel /pedals etc. so kohberger also had to remove coverings from car seat pedals steering wheel seat belt etc. As well as cloths and gloves and anything else he used in what is a very successful plan of evidence removal. He would have been the same with where he destroyed those things the pre dug hole in the middle of nowhere is probably the best theory but he would have torched them first simply burying items preserves them
A small amount of igniting fluid on items in the hole and most if not all evidence is torched then cover
Its reasonable to say he has hidden the knife nearby in a seperate spot . I think it's acceptable to say he didnt think he would be caught he has a large ego and most would agree hes a serial killing type its far easier to use a knife you already have than to try and buy another one without being traced he had plans to use it again ....
we don't know what they found. You are listening to what a defense attorney said early on.
if LE hasn’t found any DNA of the victims in his car, his skills are simply outstanding
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Agree
As stated if investigators Did find evidence of Any DNA linking him clearly to the murders at 1122 in his car or his unit a plea deal would have already been established and case would be over by now I'm certain kohberger is guilty .
It's well documented these types are really clever at a certain activity and stupid in another ....thankfully ....in the end they get put away.
I definitely agree he went to great lengths to avoid the transfer of evidence from the crime scene to his car. Because of his background in Criminology he would be very aware of how important that would be. I have said from the beginning that he likely wore zip up coveralls, a balaclava type head and face covering, boot covers and several pairs of gloves. These are things that can be quickly peeled off and put into a plastic bag he had staged outside the house. The knife could have been placed in the same bag which he closed up and took with him for disposal. The idea that he would also have taken the precaution of putting down plastic covers on the seat, floor, trunk, pedals, and steering wheel seems completely plausible and likely.
Also let's not forget that he had nearly 7 weeks worth of cleaning the vehicle before his arrest and seizure of his car.
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Yep plenty of time to continue cleaning the car who knows how much time he spent doing that ....he just had to be careful any cleaning was not on any cameras .
if theres a body of water anywhere close to that video route, i bet he chucked it in there!
This was aired 5 days ago and yt notifies me just now.
Would the roads have been as icy in November...?
Got here just in time to hear Gray sign off. Replay crew but already liked
Imagine that tree stump is the exact spot he stopped his car too😂
I’m surprised this idea has not been explored more - - - out of all the opinions put out on UA-cam (many conspiracy theories for click bait - my opinion) you are one of 2 UA-camrs who have suggested this. I think if this is the case it might support pre-meditated? Thank you for your what I consider good critical thinking!
Difficult to say where. I think he did not take a very complicated small road, because he did not have navigation without the phone. You could easily get lost.. Also 16min is not that long... Especially on sketchy roads... I also think he would preferably not wanna pass a house on one of these sideroads and surely not twice (to and from). A possibility is, that he HAD to switch on his Phone for the first time, because he got lost, from the dumping place back..
If he really did plan this and wanted to keep those items, he likely had a bucket out there buried so he could retrieve the items. Brian studied crime so he would be aware of Israel Keyes and his caches. Most people would look for some sort of landmark to reference but with GPS that is less necessary.
great footage. makes me think the trial will show BK drove those roads over and over again in the dark to familiarize himself with them. i like that body of water within the white circle at end of video for possible area, BUT being dark out i think cruising off the main road would make his car too visible.
therefore i think his disposal site is on the side of the road ~ somewhere in that white circle. a preplanned site otherwise law enforcement would have found it by now. jmo.
It’s nice to read replies from logical people. Other creators have freaks for viewers.
well, we call ourselves the freaks so....
@@GrayHughesInvestigateswe're all logical freaks lmao...vs the conspiracy theory, made up lies and bs freaks on other creators channels. Thank God for you and your channel and all the logical freaks that gather here! Thank you for all the work you put into your videos...it's always top notch! 😊
A very intelligent reporter makes lot of senses map layout. Good job!!!😊
I take back my compliment to Gray about working hard to put out content.
If you want to moderate anyone with an opposing view, I don't have any respect for you.
This channel is a joke.
I disagree that you need your phone for mapping purposes. They still make hard copy maps and IF he planned really well he could have driven the route several times, wrote it on a piece of paper and then burn the paper. If he was really smart, when he initially thought of committing such an atrocious crime, he should have started leaving his phone home whenever he went on errands. In order to establish a habit of leaving his phone home sometimes. THEN, leave his phone home whenever going near King Road. But, he didn't plan that well and he could not master his emotions.
Otherwise, I think you are a genius Gray Hughes. Job well done.
16 minutes missing He drives 5 mins away off the road cleans up for 5 drives 5 back Then turns his phone back on.
Would law enforcement have earlier cell records that shows he was casing out and maybe pinpoint a discard area?
Yes and they do. That’s how they know he drove by the girls house multiple times before the murders, for months.
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Did you deliberately choose Kevin MacLeod's "Lost Time" Gray?! Very appropriate! (16 minutes) Thank you for another great video.
I deliberately chose it but I use it all my videos
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Yes, I know you do. I've been subbed for 10 years, way before live streaming!
Furious Freaks is my favourite.
Again, a great video. Thank you.
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@@cpscpscps Just discussing the music in Grays video
Using Google Map Offline and Without Data… NO NEED TO TURN PHONE OFF AND ON. I hold advanced degree in IT
Awesome video
Presumed innocent until proven guilty. But…when people confess and/or evidence is overwhelming it’s “presumed guilty unless proven innocent in court, due to…(self-defence, insanity, etc)
What evidence are you referring to?
Exactly!! It's innocent until proven guilty UNTIL evidence overpowers the presumption of innocence. Many many ppl are utterly confused by this concept. They think that possibilities outweigh evidence. Its not a level of possible doubt, it's reasonable. Reason gets lost on them lol
@@cpscpscps #1 being video of someone committing a crime
Yes, exactly to all you guys...except of course cps😂
Is there any mountain ponds or creeks in that wooded area ? Those fields in that rural area would not be a smart place to ditch crime scene items. The lay of the land is too open. My guess is he was already very familiar with this area of farmland. ..& had already chosen a place to bury items or sink into a body of water . We used to use large rocks to hide forest service gate key under rock near base of locked gate. I'd look for a large rock , boulder on side of road , one of those gravel logging roads that wind around in that wooded area near Johnson. Like at Baid Butte .. Hasn't LE gone up there to check tire tread marks ?
Hey Gray, a drone equipped with Lidar would show disturbances in the land. Too bad so much time has passed.
Yeah too bad this great idea wasn't put into action by those hard working police officers
yes, someone I know might be going out there to do that.
however if it appears he went back out and moved the items it's virutally a needle in a haystack and almost impossible.
Do you think that it could be feasible for them to employ teams,metal detectors, scent dogs etc in some of those areas? Vast area as it may be...
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Great show Gray!