Black Cat's Father Murdered Uncle Ben...
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Black Cat: I'll never forgive you for that!
Spider-Man: I missed the part where that's my problem
Spider-Man: Not my problem.
Spider-Man: Yeah well...sorry you feel that way.
Look at little cat burglar Jr, gonna cry?
Damn
💯 Spider-man: See you later chump
Felicia: "...but it's your fault he'll spend the rest of his life in this hole."
Peter: "GOOD!" 😅
Peter: Well because of him my uncle's in a hole too AND IT'S 6ft DEEP !!!
"It's YOUR fault...." HIS fault?? Felicia is a criminal, trying to break his father out of prison (who's ALSO a criminal, that committed several crimes) and she's blaming spider man for her father sins?? AAAA--
Girls, they never admit they are the one who wrong ,even if they are they still believe boys always wrong and Girls always be right @@pedrofranco7179
@@pedrofranco7179ha just like a woman- Skeletor
He made it his own fault the moment he decided to pick up the gun.
“I will never forgive you for that” like bro will help you get out his uncle’s murderer💀
Plus its not like he's dead
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She doesn’t understand
what her Dad took from Spidey
You're acting as if she knew her father killed Peter's uncle
Well Spiderman is like ditto I’ll never forgive your father for that
“That won’t make us even. You’re not forgiven.” It’s never easy to forgive others when people do something extremely wrong.
😂
@@22especthat's not funny 😠😡
@@ClassicGamer9044 oh it is to me. cheery and uppity you may act, but keeping that up with the 'you're forgiven' bullshits when your love one is dead by them only prove you're a hypocrite. the worst one at that.
It's a heavy burden to have on your conscious. Given time, understanding and peace will turn to Forgiveness. Gotta let it go. ❤
Forgiveness is the equivalent of saying you never cared whereas hatred proves you cared too much and it is easier to say you will forgive someone until you actually have to then all of a sudden you're a special case you don't have to forgive them its perfectly fine for you to hate them forever
"it's your fault he'll spend the rest of his life in prison"
Lady, i love you and all... But your dad killed an innocent person. The fault is his and his alone
Damn right you should be grateful that your dad is alive not rotting in ground were he sent ben
She clearly doesn’t understand what her Dad took away from Spidey
Your father took stole the life of a good man. All because he needed his car. That man had people who cared about him. A wife that loved him dearly and a nephew that saw him as a father. Bet if Felicia saw May and Peter paying respect at Ben's grave she would understand why her father chose to stay in prison.
@ajmartino1458 SHE DOESNT CARE!!! She only cares about what she wants, and she wanted her dad back. There are people like that everywhere. They'll always do what's best for them and damn who gets hurt in the process.
@@ghettopanther8727 That's why she's an anti-hero, she's only heroic if it benefits her. Like say if Spidey would be in a relationship with her if she were good, then she'd give up stealing, but if Peter died then she'd be a criminal again. Black Cat doesn't believe that with great power there must also come great responsibility and accountability. This is why Peter is better off with Gwen, but since she's dead he's better off with Mary Jane, well the well written/likable Mary Jane's that is, not Raimi or Insomniac MJ. Tobey Spidey should go with Gwen or Ursa Ditkovich (typing this has just made me realize that Ditkovich is a reference to Steve Ditko, rest in peace).
"It's your fault he'll spend the rest of his life in this hole!" No that would be the consequences of his own actions that got him there
I’ve always hated that phrase, blaming the police or someone who works in law of any sort. False arrests do happen, but in the end we are the sum of the consequences of our own choices.
@Savagewolver "IT'S YOUR FAULT HE'S DEAD!" So it's my fault he ran in a car chase for an hour, endangered people's lives, and then fired a gun at me screaming for me to die?
@@SavagewolverMost police are very guilty for most of the shit that does happen and do more to haggle those who aren't doing anything or anything worth of scorn.
If it was a serial killer/rapist, psychopaths, its a much different story.
@@marshallw1902Most police? Nah, not even half or tenth.
@@Savagewolverit wasn’t even a false arrest, the dude admitted to murderer point blank
*In an alternate timeline*
"I'll never forgive you for that"...... (Spiderman takes off mask in front of black cat) "good, cuz I'll never forgive your father for murdering my uncle"
If i could upvote this more then once i would
Black Cat, then projectile vomits on Spider-Man. Remembering that she kissed him and realizing he's a teenager
@@comicscinemaothermedia9247 isn't she around his age tho in this show? Or am I tripping
Peter didn't even need to reveal his secret identity. He could have just revealed that he was the one to let Walter go the night Ben was killed, and that's why he became spider-man, to make up for his mistake by stopping criminals instead of looking the other way.
It's easy to understand that a person might feel responsible for the subsequent murder.
@andreic2023 it never outright said, but in most versions, she's a mid to late twenty year old. Only breaking from that when the Marvel Spider-Man show from 2018 decided to make her (like almost every other villain in that show) one of Peter's classmates
I liked the moment Black Cat asked her father 'Geez dad, what did you to make him this upset?'
Daughter I killed his uncle his father figure .
bud is clueless💀 (emoji represents ben)
Her dad likely put two and two together at some point.
@@damotoneko1500Assuming that Pete was wearing the Spider-Man suit when he let him go, her dad probably guesses that Spider-Man feels guilty after basically letting an innocent man die. He doesn't know that Spider-Man is related to him just, that shortly after that night a hero protected New York.
@@AustinSullySullivancan you imagine? You created spider man just by shooting that old man. Know if he was related or not doesnt matter ge can see spider man was just a wrestler before and became a hero after that.
Its kşnda like batman's episode where killer of his father is like getting insane amoınt of aggression from other villians for creating batman kinda
I hate that she thinks she has the moral high ground in that scenario.
True, but it's realistic though
For some people, family will always be numero uno no matter what. Blind selfish love, it's unfortunate but true.
She obviously doesn't care about morals. She literally says "I don't know what you did to infect my father with your stupid conscience".
Did she know who Peter is in this? I've watched this series once, but only occasionally.
@@Hell_O7no she doesn't know his identity yet if only we had the third season to know more about her fate but of course the whole Disney and Sony bragging rights for the character happened and the third season got cancelled because of it
the sheer rage in keatons voice acting is why he will always be my favorite spider-man voice actor, because he embodies each emotion perfectly and can deliver each line in that subtle queens accent that makes it seem like peter is actually from new york
im sorry what? keaton? as in michael keaton?
@misterosbam1931 Josh Keaton, the voice actor of Spider-Man in Spectacular
trully the best voice for spiderman and they did him so dirty. not only did they cancel this show out of nowhere, but he had the chance to play spiderman again for the avengers show, they had him record all his lines, only to then replace his voice with a different voice actor... *without telling him* . He only found out when the episode aired. imagine being excited to watch the episode and hear youself only to hear someone else's voice instead
Sucks that it seems like he's being replaced with Yuri Lowenthal. Nothing against the guy, he's great, even if a little overrated. But he's just nothing in comparison to Keaton.
You should hear Josh as Anduin from World of War craft. Freaking amazing job
Peter: and i won't forgive him for what he's done
Ohhhh how I would love to see a fight of " your dad killed my uncle and get emotional "
I bet there will be emotion exchanged n romantic kiss thing , it's so damn basic lol 😆 wtf am I reading?
@@Marc-oy2phwouldn’t we all.
But do course that will never happen.
He’s the hero
He can’t hit a girl
That’s gender abuse
@@DamontheDemon7 .... huh? Wym he can lol
@@DamontheDemon7 what abuse?
This twist is ONE of the reasons why i'm sad we never had season 3.
Yeah their was that unresolved plotline with the Osborn family, Norman leaving but implying he'll return, Doctor Connors leaving to start a new life with his Family after being forced out etc.
@@tonts5329 The cameo from Cletus Kassidy
You can thank Disney for that 😒
Honestly it would be interesting if black cat finds out about spider-man is Peter when he unmasks himself to tell her off if and I mean if she tries again to mock uncle Ben’s death and try to get her father free
@@nave712 nah they wanted to continue spectacular, but Sony didn't want to because they still owned the rights so Disney had no choice but to make a new Spider-Man show aka the last good one
I think Walter Hardy must've figured that Spider-Man was a relative of Ben Parker under that mask, especially given the "I understand".
He must've
Pretty sure he was sent to prison by a angry spiderman that night, and was the first person spiderman took down. Add that to the"Last time I looked away" and "you're not forgiven" it's easy to realize that this was personal.
Be interesting if he knew it was Peter under the madk to whole time. Like while in jail he learned about who Ben was and his family. Combine that info with his memory of first meeting Spider-Man, and boom, he figures it out. I'd think it could add another layer to his character knowing that he knows who's under the mask, but choses to keep his mouth shut about it.
@@CS08129 most versions of Peter Parker take off their mask to try and kill uncle Ben's killer, but even if he didn't it would be obvious that he had some connection to ben parker.
Ben was the only man he killed, and Spidy is very worked up about him. It's not hard to guess the two have some kind of relation.
I genuinely hope it didn't cause that would invalidate his little speech about his regret, it would legit make it seem like he only said that to comfort Peter or to make himself look better in the eyes of one of his victims and not because he actually regretted it.
In truth, Felicia is being petty for being mad at Spider-Man in this situation. Her father Walter killed Ben Parker, and she knows it, yet she's mad at Spider-Man for Walter choosing to stay in prison. Walter is choosing to pay penance for his mistake, and Felicia is too selfish to see that. I honestly don't like Felicia in this scene.
There is a big difference between Justice and vengeance. Something I did learned from the Dark Knight himself.
Revenge can lead to more pain and suffering that will live on in you for the rest of your life.
I pray that Felica will come to that realization.
@@a.jthomas6132damn it if only we had a third season
Its not petty, that's her father, and despite being a criminal he could've still been a good dad, she knew him better than Peter ever did, and maybe she feels someone like him doesnt deserve to spend the rest of his life in a cell for a mistake. Peter isjust the exact same way, he's attached to his uncle so its hard for him to empathize with him when he's regretful and truly sorry. It shows a grey morality between them, Black Cat doesnt follow the law but feels a ncie person shouldnt be punished so harshly for a mistake, while peter thinks even if he's regretful, actions speak louder than words and his uncle will never be back, both are being reasonable while also emotionally driven.
@@brachy6695 finally someone explains the situation better than me and isn't biased towards one side or the other
I honestly can’t remember but was Felicia aware that Spider-Man is Peter Parker in this show?
You can hear the pain in Peter’s voice. Josh Keaton is such an amazing voice actor.
nah consider that man lucky that spiderman didn't have the black suit
Dude is lucky that Peter wasn't even angry enough to just stop talking.
@@varric exactly
Felicia: "I'll never forgive you for that."
Good. He doesn't deserve you.
She doesn't deserve him, you mean.
@@MrJinglejanglejingle Exactly. But I
said it as if I was talking to Felicia, telling
that he (Parker) doesn't deserve you.
@@MrJinglejanglejingle he’s clearly implying that he deserves better than Felicia. Your correction isn’t really needed tbh.
Lol, everybody knows Peter doesn't deserve Black Cat. I love MJ, but everyone knows Black Cat is the one that deserves better in general. This show just makes it easier.
@@HulkVahkiin Nah, she deserves worse. She's a selfish, egotistical, unreliable, arrogant woman. So, a Modern Woman.
The fact felicia doesnt give af that her father killed an innocent man and probably thinks "sucks to suck🤷♂️." But tries to act like she has the moral high ground here is insane.
Yep
Even if Felicia got her father out of jail he would have been completely on the run from the authorities
Ikr? That victimization. Wow.
Josh keaton best voice actor for peter parker/spiderman alongside yuri lowenthal.
And Christopher barnes, he's a fantastic spiderman back when I was a kid
I hear more of Yuri Lowenthal is voice whenever I see Earth 616 Spider-Man, but when I see Ultimate Spider-Man, I just hear Josh Keaton is voice.
That cool I respect both your opinion. But to me whatever josh keaton playing both younger and older peter parker/spiderman sound like different person. Even know I love both yuri lowenthal and Christopher Barnes performances but after I got done playing spiderman 2 ps5 and spiderman edge of time. I Honestly preferred Christopher Barnes as miguel o'hara. Yuri lowenthal have always play dark Matured character. I could picture him as ben riley. When I read earth 616 spiderman comics I can hear josh keaton voice
@christopherharris9846, thanks. I can also see that working out
And Christopher Daniel Barnes.
“But it’s your fault he’ll spend the rest of his life in this hole! And I’ll never forgive you for that!”
Lady, you clearly have no idea who put him there…
She's acting like he didn't choose to stay behind
Bye Felicia
The Ben Parker paradox. If Ben hadn’t been killed, spiderman wouldn’t have been born. Remember, spiderman was an obnoxious teenager fighting wrestlers for money. Only with tragedy did he embrace the fact that his powers needed to be used for something greater than himself. That his powers aren’t just a gimmick. When you look at superhero stories, not many superheroes dawn the responsibility of helping other people out of the goodness of their hearts, there’s always a hidden motive, in Spider-Man’s case, in his head if he keeps helping the city, eventually he’ll probably be able to forgive himself for his uncle’s death. Spiderman always blames himself for his uncle’s death. The cat burglar(Felicia’s dad)is just a physical manifestation that spiderman can point his rage towards, but even than, he really doesn’t blame the guy, he blames himself mostly. The death of uncle Ben has different adaptations. In some comics, Peter walks home to find the cops surrounding the neighborhood. That’s when he gets the news of his uncle’s death and other times it was when Ben was picking up Peter at the library. Regardless, without tragedy, spiderman isn’t born. If Ben never gets killed you get a spiderman similar to the 90’s series in season 5 finale. Spectacular Spider-Man’s appearance in Across the spider verse makes total sense, especially when he says his line of looking the other way. That spiderman has embraced tragedy unlike this one who is still holding unto it. Clinging to this sad memory as to why he’s spiderman as opposed to being spiderman to help people. It’s a question of can one truly move on and forgive or will grudges stay true forever. If your loved one was murdered by a criminal who later was trialed and served 10 years in prison. You meet this criminal later on and talk to them about that tragedy and they really felt terrible about what happened. Can you forgive them?
Hell no I wouldn't forgive him
In the original comic uncle Ben wasn't the one who told him that. It was a random cop. The Ben Parker paradox is fake since it was added later and it stuck. Despite it sticking the fact that there is a prior version where peter learns responsibility without his death is enough of a fact to disprove the paradox since Ben still dies later to a different reason. Thus all these comics/movies eluding to it (especially spiderverse movies) are wrong.
Tough question
Tough question.......
@@TheR3d3mpti0n can you tell me which comics specifically? I would like to read the material.
So it's a canon event?
Peter should've had a conversation with Black cat about her father so then she could understand the truth and then Black Cat would understand why her father had to remain in prison
I feel like if the show never got canceled we would’ve gotten a moment like that.
@@speedyeagle1597 absolutely
even though Peter hated the man, the guy was still Felicia's Father so he did not want her to have bad memory or perception of him. Just like how Peter in Raimi chose to keep Green Goblin Secret from Harry so that he will only remember him as a father who finally accepted and showed love
Peter should have explained to her that just because she has the power to break her father out of jail it doesn’t give her the right to. With great power comes great responsibility
Oh yeah right.
Like she would care to listen.
"Its YOUR fault my CRIMINAL FATHER will spend the rest of his life in this hole after ALL THOSE CRIMES he committed, known superhero."
Too bad for felica she will never know why he needs him to stay in that prison.
I love that they made him remorseful and wanting to stay where he belongs because what he did was really terrible and for peter unforgivable
Clearly you never saw SP3
@@JDog2656 I did I meant for this version of Peter I know he did forgive sandman in spiderman 3
Man I honestly much prefer this over Flint Marko doing it. This makes it complicated in that classic Spider-Man way. Knowing that the lady he liked once or twice is the daughter of his uncle's killer.
Yeah, they took a few elements from Ben Reilly's tenure as Spider-Man, when his girlfriend Jessica Carradine turned out to be the burglar's daughter.
I wish Spiderman had gotten his two cents in when she left him but I’m glad they used this to part their relationship.
In the comics, they hit a rough patch because he realized she loved him for the mask but not the man beneath it, so they probably couldn’t put that in a kids show, so having an emotional ending just as meaningful for both of them wraps it all up nicely
I don't want more Spectacular Spider-Man, not because of the Norman Osborne is still alive cliffhanger ending, but because of a follow-up to this plot line. Black Cat is one of my favorite Spider-Man characters, and this version is one of the most intriguing. I wanted to see where this plot thread was going.
Black Cat is soooo out of line. Her father is a MURDERER. He didn't do it in self defense, or to help someone. He killed a man, in cold blood. He deserves to be in prison.
Exactly
“It’s your fault he’ll spend the rest of his life in that hole”
Spider-Man:Had it been up to me he would’ve spent the rest of his life in a much deeper hole
He took the life of a sweet oldman damn it
Yes it is true that he killed Ben but in his defense he did genuinely feel bad for what he did and he accepted responsibility for it.
I think he’s the last character in the show who knows Spidey’s secret besides Eddie Brock and George Stacy. Plus Norman Osborn likely would’ve learned it eventually if the show continued further.
I still Can't believe Felicia is going too ignore The Fact That Her father Murdered an innocent Man She Has No sense of Good Or Bad
@@jalenikezeue4114she was ignoring everyone the whole episode. Peter clearly didn’t want him out of prison because he was still extremely upset about uncle Ben’s death. Her own father didn’t want to leave the prison because he was ashamed of himself for gunning down an innocent man in cold blood. I don’t even know what she expected to happen, even if they had broken her father out of prison he clearly didn’t want to go back to being the cat burglar. The saddest part is if she had listened more instead of chastising Peter the whole time he could’ve been more level headed and been more willing to forgive her father (which is something that would’ve been worth far more to Hardy than being free).
@@marcoe.3314 looks like history has repeated itself again
"not that desperate, never that desperate"
man its always a little chilling to hear spider-man in just cold rage
she's lucky he was nice enough to even speak , she could have been trapped in a small space with a silent peter
Bro was luck he wasn’t wearing the black suit
Would’ve been a whole different episode
yeah for real
If The Spectacular Spider Man ever comes back it needs to be where Peter is in college and TV-14
Knowing Disney's track record I highly doubt they would allow that
Black Cat: “I will never forgive you for that.”
Spider-Man: “GOOD RIDDANCE!”
The restraint Spidey has is commendable, it would've taken all the strength I had not to just explode at Black Cat for that last confrontation. Just like let it all out and tell her exactly why her father has to stay there, shatter all the fun and games that she likes to play and let her see the cold hard truth. But he doesn't do that, as satisfying as it would be to watch.
Oh cry me a river
@@TheMothdemon Dude chill, it's just a comment.
@@TheMothdemon o.O you doin okay man?
@@TheMothdemon you seem to be doing that yourself well enough. You wanna cry us an ocean next? The Indians will greatly appreciate it.
Spiderman: ......At least he's still alive......Oh, and *your welcome....*
Catwoman: ?! What do you mean..........oh.......
Aye bro, that's the wrong character.
Spiderman: Your father killed my uncle and I want revenge but revenge dont bring my uncle
"i will never forgive you for that"
I'm sorry but you're going to take a fat L for telling to someone that lost the most innocent and loved person that anyone could ever have
If Disney decides to bring this show back for more seasons, I wanna see more of Black Cat. Like maybe their..sorta relationship will patch up?
This was honestly one of the best twists in Spider-Man lore I’ve seen.
Ah yes Marvel's version of Joe Chill.
Lol
Perhaps if you visited ben Parker's family you'll understand why your father chooses to stay in prison.
When Felicia said "I don't know what you did to infect my father with your stupid conscience", it is hard to forfeit the moral high ground more forcefully than that.
"I'll never forgive you for that!"
"And I'll never forgive him for taking my family! Which means I'll never forgive you as well!"
Black Cat : I'll never forgive you for that!
Spider-Man : I'm going to put some dirt in your eye.
Spider-Man just waited for the escape to succeed so he could put him back in with violence
"i Will never forgive you for that!"
"Look at little Kitty Jr, gonna cry?"
Black Cat: "It's your fault he'll spend the rest of his life in this hole!"
Spider-Man: "Good riddance."
Although it’s not confirmed, it’s possible after Venom outed Spidey’s identity, Walter likely pieced together the truth considering Spidey’s resentment and motive for capturing him, as well as possible theory he learned about the Parker family before being sentenced.
ONE OF THE BEST EP IN THE SHOW 🔥🔥🔥
“It’s your fault he’ll spend the rest of his life in prison!”
Girl, your dad MURDERED an innocent man! A man who meant so much to Spider-Man! You have no right to talk 😒
You know what good in this situation?
The fact that Cat burglar actually REGRET for what he's done to Ben.
I love the unintentional on her part jab at peter. It IS his fault because he did nothing, allowing uncle ben to get killed.
If you're talking from Peter's view you're not wrong, but from the objective view it's just a nonsense.
Thats like saying its the Allied force's fault that Hitler caused the Holocaust. 💀 No one chooses to do bad deeds but ourselves. Everyone has free will. It's not Spiderman's fault that some random burglar decided to kill an innocent old man because he felt like he was getting weak.
He is so lucky Peter got rid of the symbiote before this episode
Yeah, Spectacular Spider-Man's one of the few universes where I can confidently say I hate Felicia.
I really appreciate that Peter doesn’t forgive him. Like, he is well within his rights not to.
And this was the last time we see Black Cat to me that kind of feels disappointing
"I'll never forgive you for that"
PETER: If you want forgiveness get religion.
Peter: gonna cry
*Black cat cries*
Peter: gonna piss your pants maybe
*runs away, because she pissed her pants*
You need help, you seriously need laid
@@TheMothdemon you need to your mouth shut
This is the best edit you've ever made
🥂🗿
*TLDR-* It could have been compelling for this version of Black Cat to find out on her own who Spider-Man is, without him ever telling her. Realizing how much pain he was in and how worse the things she said must have made it for him (and all this time, he NEVER told her off even when it would've been justified), she'd reconcile with Spidey. Felicia would reveal that she knows his secret, vow to keep it, and apologize in tears for what her dad took from him + his family.
*I'll elaborate on the rough scenario I'm imagining below, please feel free to share your own thoughts & ideas:*
Felicia continues holding a grudge against Spidey for some time, and he'd still be there to confront her if/when she commits crimes. Whenever he tries to be reasonable with her, she'd throw her dad's imprisonment in his face again. This pattern would persist for a few episodes, perhaps over the course of a season until it's resolved in the season finale.
But every time she reminds him of what she's lost, snapping that he could never understand and speaking on things she knows nothing about (mocking that a boyscout like him must have had parents who loved him and handed him everything, that he has no idea what her family's suffered, etc.), Spider-Man doesn't tell her how wrong she is.
Every time he has a chance to, and he'd come VERY close at least once due to how much her short-sighted words & assumptions infuriate him, he ALWAYS stops just short of letting the truth slip. He wants to tell her SO BADLY, but his motivation for wanting that changes over time. At first, he'd simply want Felicia to feel as crappy as he does.
He'd only look at the situation from his side, focusing on how her words & actions make him feel. But after a couple-few encounters, Spidey starts to empathize with Felicia more and think about how he'd feel if their roles had been reversed. What if Peter had grown up the way she did, had a father like Walter, and he was his ONLY family?
Eventually, while he isn't ready to forgive himself for what happened to Uncle Ben and still believes Felicia's dad belongs in prison for what he did, Pete would be more receptive to where Black Cat is coming from. The satisfaction of telling her off would only be fleeting at best, and he can't afford to reveal his secret to someone he doesn't trust.
Sinking to her level wouldn't accomplish much of anything. Thus, his thoughts shift toward wanting to tell Felicia the truth but not to make her eat her insensitive words. He wishes he could make her see that he does understand her feelings more than she thinks and she's NOT alone in that. If only they weren't on opposite sides, he could tell her everything.
Meanwhile, the angry Felicia is determined to find some kind of information on Spidey to exploit, not just to get back at him but to ensure he won't get in the way of her heists anymore. He must have friends or allies. She could find & hurt someone close to him or make his identity public and let him see how it feels to live behind bars or be a fugitive.
So, she does some sleuthing, following him from a fair distance (losing him every time) and researching NYC history preceding his first appearance. After a long, obsessive search, she finds an archived newspaper of a certain spider-themed wrestler. Looking up footage of the match online, she's perceptive enough to see how familiar his moves are.
He's clearly less experienced at this point, but his fighting style and agility are unmistakable. Discerning that this kid is either Spider-Man or at least someone with the same abilities, Felicia follows this clue further. She finds where that wrestling agency's documents are kept and sneaks into their offices for records of fights & competitors.
It takes some digging and bribing people who know where to look (putting her skills at disguise to use when approaching them), but she finally gets a name: Peter Parker. From there, she dives into learning all she can about this boy, assuming he has to be Spidey or one of his associates. She even learns about his photography work at the Bugle.
After that, it's a simple matter of tracking Parker to his address. Before she can enact her plan to corner him, however, another dot arises for her to connect in her research: The obituary of Ben Parker, which includes the family he is survived by. This leads Felicia to read about that night's tragedy. Not long after this, lo and behold... Spider-Man first shows up.
Black Cat thinks back to the things he said that night at the prison: "This won't make us even. You're not forgiven. Do you know what happened the last time I looked the other way?" And just like that, it all comes together so clearly. But Felicia needs to be absolutely certain, so she stakes out the Parker house (in another disguise) from a distance.
As she watches from her hiding place with a small but advanced camera, she gets a glimpse through the open windows of Aunt May, imagining her life since her husband's death after such a long marriage and raising their orphaned nephew. What has Peter been through? Suddenly, Felicia catches Spidey swinging into what looks like a boy's bedroom.
He quickly closes the curtains, and what Black Cat sees next confirms everything: Where Spider-Man disappeared, out of the door walks Peter Parker, his eyes shifting as if to check if anyone's watching. He looks in Felicia's direction, but she's stealthy enough to not trigger his Spidey Sense, making her escape to check out one last spot: Ben Parker's grave.
Her emotions well up as she finds the tombstone hours later, looking down at the freshly changed flowers. Understanding now how beloved this man was and the impact his loss must have had, it all makes sense: Why Spider-Man does what he does, why he hated Felicia's dad, and the gravity of how her malicious verbal barbs must have wounded him.
She'd only been looking at how her own life/family was affected by her dad's actions. And all this time, Peter chose to hold himself back and take all her crap rather than risk compromising his secret. Breaking down on her knees before the grave, Felicia apologizes profusely to Ben, Peter, and May until her words are reduced to nothing but sobs.
Sometime later, perhaps after a climactic battle in a season finale wherein Black Cat saves Spider-Man's life and even helps him save innocent people (that he nearly sacrificed himself for), the two meet up on a rooftop after fleeing the cops. Before the surprised Spidey can thank her, she interrupts and confesses "... I'm so sorry, Peter."
Speechless with shock, Pete doesn't even get a chance to try to deny it as Felicia continues, admitting that she did some digging + a little light stalking. She knows about Ben. She knows A LOT about the web-slinger now, including what he means when he says he "won't ever look the other way" again. Tears begin to fall as her heartache resurfaces.
Feeling horrible for how she's treated him, Felicia swears she'll take his secret to her grave. She sobs, apologizing again for ALL of it until Peter, being the kind man he is at the end of the day, takes off his mask and embraces her in a tight hug. His eyes grow misty as he whispers "Shhh... It's okay. You didn't know before. You love your dad, just like I loved my uncle.
You were hurt, angry, and you needed someone to take all those feelings out on. I get it. I saw it in your eyes. They were the same eyes I had when I looked myself in the mirror that first night after losing Ben. For so long, all I wanted was to find the one responsible and take out EVERYTHING I felt on them. I WANTED them to hurt like my aunt and I did.
I dreamed about it so many times... What I'd say, what I'd do... And then, when I finally came face to face with that person, knowing who he was to you, I... I didn't know what to do with all of that. I don't know how to forgive him... or myself for that day. I just... I didn't want to do to you what he did to me, because I know what it's like to lose a father."
Their hug loosens, Felicia looking Peter in his eyes as they both cry. She says "But... It's not the same. My dad is still alive. Your uncle...", but he replies "It still hurts, either way. He's your family. Like I said... I get it. And you had to be even stronger than me in some ways. You didn't have anyone besides Walter." Pete's hand gently dries her tears.
He concludes, "But you do now. I know we don't always see eye to eye, Felicia. And I honestly don't know if I'll ever stop hating Walter. But... I just want you to know you're NOT alone out here, okay? I'm here for you if you need... or want... a friend." Felicia's sadness subsides, and she smiles softly before drying Pete's tears in return. "A friend...", she mutters.
She takes her own mask off, sniffling "Heh... Yeah... I'd like that." Peter smiles back, and they comfort each other on that moonlit rooftop in another hug on their knees. Whatever happens after that... Well, that's a story for next season.
Awwww, that’s so sweet. I can totally see that happening in the show.😊
@@ambroiseagnoletti937 Thanks. Yeah, I was personally never big into the Spectacular Spider-Man series. It's not a bad show, it was just never my cup of tea. But I do appreciate when any form of media tries to make Felicia Hardy a more nuanced character as opposed to merely being Marvel's equivalent to DC's Catwoman.
Selina Kyle benefits from quality writing like that too, providing more aspects for fans to love about her beneath the surface level cat burglar & femme fatale motifs. While I'm a die-hard for team Mary Jane Watson (though I prefer Gwen be Peter's first serious romance), I can understand some fans prefering Felicia as Pete's true love.
She's one of many people that have changed for the better thanks to his influence. Their relationship is in several ways arguably more complex & compelling (on average) compared to Gwen, MJ, or Cindy. Ultimately, however, even after all their character development (that's been ruined more than once) over decades, they're better off as friends/allies in my opinion. I've nothing against Felicia as a character, of course, once she's gone through her arc.
A passionate fling when they're young (and Pete hasn't committed to MJ yet) is fine, but I think her finding love with someone else after Peter helped her mature as a person is equally satisfying. She wouldn't be a healthy partner for anyone long term if it wasn't for knowing him. Teaching someone how to love is just as valuable as loving them.
If this was black suit spiderman...yeah he wont be breathing
Black Cat: I will never forgive you for that!
Spider-Man: aww look at cat burglar Jr. Gonna cry?
Black cat: “I’ll never forgive you for that”
Spiderman: starts shitting violently
I'm with Spiderman. At least Felicia still has a dad and knows he's still alive. Uncle Ben is like a father to Peter, and considering it's a common theme that Peter thinks his parents are dead or missing, Peter probably did see Uncle Ben as his father.
The fact that Black Cat is so delusional that she had the audacity to get mad at Spider-Man for keeping her father who was a murderer in jail, baffles me 😂
Everyone always praises ATLA for how it tackles forgiveness, but I think this show does it slightly better. Because the person who did the deed, in the end, DID something good in turning on the gas. He's showing he WANTS to atone for his crimes. And Peter still won't ever be able to forgive Walter for what he did. I think that's much more powerful than Katara confronting someone who's STILL a scuzzbag. Because then you sympathize more easily with her about her lack of ability to forgive him. But with Peter? It's more grey. And I like that it's grey here.
Did you mean to spell scumbagg like that ?
@@malikpierre-louis3343100% 😂
@@TheRibottoStudios Lol
I think the reason Avatar's episode is talked about more is because it shows Katara practicing forgiveness and moving on. While Spectacular mainly covers moving on.
They tackled it in two separate ways, ATLA shows a sad, miserable old man who doesn't regret what he's done. But here, Black Cat's father does recognize what he's done and wishes to atone. It's not the same.
‘It’s your fault he’ll spend the night in imprison!’
She really forgot his whole speech and the fact he murdered Ben Parker 💀
That's women for you. They stop paying attention when they want to be in the right.
@@varricnot all women acts like this dude lol
"On one hand her father killed Uncle Ben on the Other Hand Black Cat is hot as shit" such a morale dilemma 😂😂
Well no duh.
It’s a superhero show genius.
The female leads HAVE to be hot
Otherwise, no one will care about them
No one will watch the show.
You can’t attract an audience without attractive characters you know
@DamontheDemon7 why are you so unnecessarily rude it was a joke chillout
Maybe for a simp.
Pete: "Oh no...anyway back to MJ"
So her father murdered uncle Ben and told her he did it and she STILL tried to get him out of prison but old boy said he had to pay for what he did . I'm like :you don't forgive me? Your dad murdered my uncle ,remind me again who shot who ? Girl is absolutely nuts .
Vengeance always seems sweet. But it is most bitter to anyone that happens to be in your path. Vengeance breeds injustice.
I really hope and praying to God that there will be new seasons if The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series will finally return?! Why you all ask? Because ever since I saw episode 25 and 26 back on 2009, I was very sad & pissed that the show ended up very badly with an anticlimactic ending! And I really hope that Spider-Man from Earth-26496 will find a way to make Felicia Hardy the Black Cat forgive him of his selfish revenge on her father; Walter Hardy the Cat Burglar. Cause I realized that in the grand calculus of the Multiverse, all the Ben Parkers that said to his nephew Peter “With great power, there must also come great responsibility” and that’s on the day he died. Witch means his Uncle Ben didn’t die for nothing. And I really love this version of Black Cat on The Spectacular Spider-Man, because she’s so scolding hot!
Keep praying bro
@@spectraphantom5870 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Don’t hold your breath.
This show has been completely forgotten.
Nobody’s even TALKING about it anymore.
It pretty much dead.
@@DamontheDemon7 Deader than GT
"You're not forgiven". Well said. Shocking too. And apparently he's not dead here. If she only knew what he did. Never even bothered to ask. But still he should've told her without giving out the name
This version of Black Cat just for that can get lost.
For someone as smart as Felicia, it surprising she couldn’t see past why he felt so strongly against her father
What's with people blaming Spider-Man for things he didn't do?
When it's someone else's fault? Her father just told her that he took the life of an innocent man.
Peter should have said that because of her father. He took a husband from his wife and a uncle from his only nephew.
I do love Black Cat 🐈⬛. She's my favourite Spider-Man love interest aside from Mary Jane Watson. But she needs to understand what her father has done.
His father made the choice of staying behind.
I know but now Black Cat knows how it feels to lose a father too. She’s an orphan like Peter. That’s should spread some sympathy
@@jamestolbert1856least her father is still alive. She can always visit him. Plus with what he did helping stop the prison break Walter might have some time shave off his sentence.
Tbh we should be thanking him if it wasn't for Black Cat is dad Peter would never be Spider-Man or he would have become an cocky Spider-Man
@@emmanuelojurongbe2469 in other words he would've probably ended up like his counterpart with the spider armor
@@slanetroyard92 which one? sorry im dumb
Batman watching nearby: "nooo! You're supposed to be a hypocrite for the crussy!" (Get it?)
How is that Spider Man’s fault? It’s your father’s own fault and he understands that
Bro if this was black suit peter, this scenario wouldve been wild
Black cat: it’s your fault he’ll spend the rest of his life in this hole
What Peter should’ve said: GOOD!! Bc you have no idea what that man took from me he stripped me of the only person who had faith in me who showed what responsibility really is your father was a murder of MY UNCLE! And you trying to break him out?!? If I’d known any better I should throw you in a cell right next to him guess you could say the apple doesn’t fall to fat from the tree…
This series was so good, shame on them for interrupting it.
Black Cat: I’ll never forgive you, for that
*Spider-Man; I’ll never forgive him for killing my father 💀*
Uncle*
@@varric IK but he was a father to Peter
@@kalvin187douglas Still his uncle.
@@varric he clearly meant it metaphorically. Stop being obtuse.
I hate when people are too delusional to hold their family accountable for doing something wrong
You never miss🗿🐐
And we never had a chance to see this plot-line be resolved...
Hey, Black Cat. Your daddy was the one who birthed Spider-Man into the hero he is now. That guy took someone close to him, all because of his criminal acts, and you wanted to break him out? If only you knew the full story of what happened to Ben Parker. But knowing you, you wouldn't care. You always prefer the masked life over the normal life, forgetting you were part of it.
Peters parents died in a airplane accident, and lost the only father figure he had close to him. Extremely justified on why he didn’t forgive him.
Black Cat: But it's your fault he'll spend the rest of his life in this hole
And I'll never forgive you. 😭🤬😡
Spider-Man: I missed the part where that's my problem. 😐🤔😕
Batman: i feel your pain, Peter. But you proved that you're the better Hero when you kicked my ass on Death Battle. I hope that makes you feel better.
And this is probably why a Felicia and Peter pairing would never work, girls got her priorities on wack.
I love the raw hatred in Spidey's voice.
Thing I don’t understand, why doesn’t Spider-Man just say “Your father killed an innocent man. Ruined a family. Left a wife a widow. And his nephew without a father figure. I could have killed your father myself, I was tempted to that night, but I decided to be better than him.”
Black Cat ain’t stupid.
Black Cat is probably going to twist it by saying that it was Ben Parker's fault for forcing her father to kill him. That's what deluded people do.
@@varric That will only anger Peter, and to be honest, if he was wearing the Black Suit he probably would have lashed out.
Which to be honest looking back, I kinda wish this episode was part of the black suit story arch. Just imagine Peter’s anger increasing from both seeing Hardy, his daughter trying to help him, and the black suit influence.
It might be one of his moments he came close to killing him, scaring Felicia, but stopped himself last minute.
She doesn't care about the morality, she says at much. She's upset she didn't get to break her father out, simple as that.
Spectacular Spider-Man was a show for the ages. Like literal top 10 show. Writing, voice actors and actresses, animation, and for all ages.
Black cat is emotional and just looking for somebody to blame , you just knkw that she was gonna have a more villanous role . I think they were gonna have spider-man reveal his secret identity to felica to make her understand .
The next time we meet, we are enemies.
One of the best episodes of the show 🔥🔥🔥
honestly if i was spidey in this situation 1:15 I would pretty much say yeah well you’re “father” murdered my uncle who was like my father to me!
I am pretty sure this episode is why the recent DC comics made Batman forgive Joe chill
When Danny phantom took the wrong turn..