Roland Aerophone Pro AE 30 A closer look
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- Alistair Parnell takes a closer look at the Roland Aerophone Pro AE-30. Use the links to jump to the chapters.
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0:00 Intro
1:36 The Aerophone family
3:35 Overview of the Aerophone Pro
8:06 Playing the Aerophone Pro
13:05 Sounds of the Aerophone Pro
17:05 Aerophone Pro as a controller
19:10 Should you buy the Aerophone Pro?
Roland Aerophone Pro page.
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More on Roland ZEN-Core here.
www.roland.com/uk/promos/zen-...
Matt Traum Patchman Music
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Respiro wind synth
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My name is Dwayne white, also known as DW blues. I play oregon, piano, synthesizer, melodica, upright bass, chemic electric harp, saxophone, clarinet, and flute. I have been studying the aerophone with you by listening to some of your videos. I would say watching some of your videos, but I have a challenge. You see, due to a condition of micro at thelma, I was born with no eyeballs. I hold a bachelor, two masters, a dma, dme, and an EDD, all in music. I just got an arrow phone today. It is a rolling Aero phone Pro. I love it. If I can just learn where everything is, I shouldn't have any trouble with it. I may need some help though
This Roland Arrow phone ae30 Pro is the sax player wannabes dream.
I really hope you enjoy it. All the best and thanks for commenting.
thank you dear Alistair for this insights. it’s wonderful to see and feel your enthusiasm and joy for the AE-30.
Kind of you. Thanks for watching. Hope you're well.
Thanks for the initial thoughts and look forward to more in-depth videos. As a multi-instrumentalist -- guitar, tenor sax, bass flute, hand percussion -- this higher-level Aerophone looks pretty appealing. I use the Aerophone Go right now as a go-anywhere practice instrument. LOVE IT! But the AE-30 looks truly gig-capable.
Your explanations are really didactic and trustworthy. Thanks Alistair.
Glad you like them!
Another excellent video which tells us all about the new features of the Pro. Perhaps the two most important features are the Bite sensor and Bluetooth Midi for many of us.
Thanks a lot !
This review is head and shoulders above what Better Sax guy has to offer. Better Demonstration, highly organized and no mumbling. i learned a lot. thanks very much.
Thanks very much.
I love Jay’s channel and I’ve learnt so much from him in many ways.
I think the Aerophone is pretty niche, so having a thorough understanding of it takes a great deal of time. He’s a pretty busy guy.
Thanks for sharing your experience, insights and opinions.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the welcome review.
Thanks for your excellent review! I'm picking up an AE-30 as soon as they hit the shelves. I can't wait!
Patchman Music has them is stock now. They worked on the team that made this.
@@alphabeets Thanks but I already purchased mine from a local music store, Chuck Levin’s Washington Music Center. Got a great deal, too. Had it in my hands before it even hit the shelf. Loving it! 😊
Hello sir! I must say that you are the BEST HELPING TO UNDERSTAND THESE INSTRUMENTS... Thank you soooo very much! I will be keeping up with you! I’ve just ordered one of these beautiful EWI’s so excited... you helped me so much on all my other ones....Again thank you...
You're very welcome!
@@isax.academy I am pretty sure Mr. Franklin meant to say the Aerophone PRO, NOT the EWI!
Thanks for a great review. Looking forward to your demo of its wind controller abilities.
Coming soon!
Great review!
Thanks
Love the Brecker vibe at 17:20! That's brilliant! The sound designers really had fun with this one.
Thanks Adam. Love Brecker of course.
Oh and I'm brand new at this so I will start at the beginning with the mini... I'll let ya know how I do.. I did play a acoustic sax 40 yrs ago and was able to play a scale right away..my buddy had one and showed me..and I DIDA itr..can't wait to get started thanks!!!
Hello Allistair, excellent review of the AE-30, and we look forward to your next video about setting the CC controls regarding lip and breathing control. I think that from that video, many of us are going to define ourselves to turn more to this latest Aerophone model.
Cheers !
Many thanks Nicolas.
Excellent video!
Thank you very much.
I just got the ae 30 and it is a beautiful thing,the sound is amazing it takes time to get used of it but when u put the work in u will see🎼😎😎😎🙏👀😁😄😃😀🎷🎷
uah! I am italian but i can understand you very well... amazing, you are a good speaker sir! Grazie mille, bel video
Thank you! 😃
I haven't played sax in almost 50 years. Models like the AE-05, or even the AE-10 are tempting !!
I have major problems with the AE buttons and vastly prefer the EWI touch buttons, especially the octave controllers
12:14 it's like the speakers in the Yamaha Reface keyboards - handy for quiet noodling but not for serious use.
Agreed. Thanks for watching this.
I'm a player of Go and Mini. I'm mostly comfortable with Go. Mini for me is too childish and I'm not going to play 10 or pro because they are too complicated for me. I'm very pleased finding that Roland is learning and updating themselves, one after another. My guess is, next time, they're going to enhance Go, and that's the time when I'm going to definitely buy one.
Thanks Alistair. Your videos are very informative. Is the Pro AE-30 really justified in being almost twice the cost of the AE-10? Great to hear it works well with Respiro, I just started using Respiro a few months ago. Looking forward to your next AE-30 video.
Thank you :o)
tnx
Thank you for the wonderful review! Do you know if Roland would be coming out with an AE-20? It seems they skipped that in the numbering sequence (AE-05, AE-10, AE-30)
Clicking keys and Solo type thumb rollers would be the best!
Thanks a lot 谢谢🙏🙏
Thanks Alistair, I bought an AE-10 after your watching your videos, very easy and fun to play compared to other instruments, especially for those of us with not a lot of talent. I love it.
Look forward to the next video.
Great to hear!
Great review, I always appreciate your reviews very informative and you also speak from experience and you not only play many different wind synths you play the saxophone and other instruments. Thank you
Glad you enjoy it!
Thanks Alistair. This came out a month after I finally gave in and bought the AE-10. A little frustrated by that, but honestly they seem to be such different instruments and the price tag is significant. Anyway, looking forward to playing my AE-10, which I love, for the duration and will probably pick up the Pro model down the road.
Unfortunately the new AE is really expensive, far more than any other popular windcontroller.
My experience is the AE-10 has some qualities/expressivness lacking in the AE-30. I somehow got a Ae-10 violin patch to increase volume in the high reg like a real inst and the delay/reverb is very easily added ....AE-30 is very tough to edit well.
@@mannytuzman3461 All I know is I'm very pleased with my AE-10 and see absolutely no reason to upgrade to the AE-30, if it truly is an upgrade? The 2 things that bug me about the AE-10 they corrected in the AE-30, but I've been able to mod mine so it's not an issue anymore.
Hello Alistair. I have listen to a number of videos with regards to the new Aerophone Pro coming out and you are definately HEAD & SHOULDERS above all the others. Your articulation in describing the instrument and playing is just fabulous. I have pre-ordered two of them and looking forward to receiving them. I have two questions for you if possible: 1. Do you know when Roland plans on filling the orders and 2. You say it's bluetooth. Will that allow a person playing the instrument to play directly into a speaker that has bluetooth capabalities?
Thanks for the comments. I don't know when the shipping starts I'm afraid. The bluetooth will NOT send the sound of the Aerophone to a bluetooth speaker. There would be too much delay and it would be very difficult to control. The AE=30 send MIDI over bluetooth to play sounds on an external device like a computer or an iPad.
Hi, I am in UK and mine (pre-ordered a month ago) is expected to be despatched from the retailer 2nd week of Feb. Having read comments elsewhere I believe this is same for USA but other than that I can't help.
Thank you for a really informative video- i am now sure - i am gonna buy this - and hopefully learn to play it some day.
The sounds are inspiring and your explanation of the advantages of this instrument in comparison to the other aerophones - this can give a lot of inspiration for the rest of my life (i think)
I feel inspired already- AND motivated- thanks to you.
On a side note - the tunes you are playing in this review - do you have a list?
Very pleased you enjoyed it.
As for the tunes.
1. Wichita Lineman Glen Campbell (my own arrangement)
2. James by Pat Metheny
3. Sentimental Mood (in the style of Brecker but absolutely nothing like his. This was the tune that first inspired me to take up wind synths)
Anything else is just noodling.
Thanks for watching.
@@isax.academy thank you for taking the time to answer - you noodle excellent!
As a 30+ year synth (kbd) player and 10+ year synth software developer, I have to say your sound demos are maybe the favorite I've ever heard. Clearly you're a towering talent, but I wonder if there's something about the wind interface that simply lets you go places a keyboard can't? Or is there some amount of practice a keyboard player could do with the mod wheel, bend wheel, and maybe a foot pedal or something to get as nice a result? I think I have to bookmark you and just try to copy your lines on keys and see what I can do.
Hi I just ordered a mini..can ya get a funk sound with it?? It's on it's way.. I ALWAYS wanted to play sax so..!!! love your info..I'll get there one of these days
Excellent review. Very complex instrument and realistic sounds. I wonder if you have a video on the practical steps for gigging musician to create and execute a set.
Hi. Can you be a bot more specific? Are you thinking, setup with amplification, sound selection, backing tracks etc?
Alistair, thanks for your response. I am mostly interested in setting up a set list with the AE-30. I can handle the backing tracks, and amplification. For example, if I have a set list of songs to play, and I have this set list in backing tracks that I play sequentially, I would like to match the AE-30 "scenes" to the backing track playlist... so I can play the AE-30, song after song, without having to fiddle searching the instrument for each sound/scene. The preselected scenes would be synchronized to the set list.
The user manual is now available from Roland so anyone waiting on their pre-order can at least download the PDF and start familiarizing themself with the functions while enjoying videos of Alistair and the other lucky beggers playing the real thing! :)
Thank you ! Will do!🤗🤗🤗
Not in UK it isn't! I checked after reading this and found I can download the scene/tone lists but no user guide. Hey-ho!!
@iSax - Alistair Parnell can you advise on amp/speaker for Aerophone Pro?
Wow this looks amazing! How do you spell the name of the second sound engine? "zencord"?
Sorry if I wasn't clear. ZEN-Core. www.roland.com/uk/promos/zen-core/
Thank you for the excellent videos. I'm curious about one thing as a Fantom owner. Can the ae-30 control the Fantom when plugged into the external devices USB in the back? (So far everything I've plugged into it works great, even two way). Thanks again!
Hi. Yes indeed. Well, I did this over a midi cable.
Hello Alistair, I saw your video on an earlier model Aerophone where you programmed the thumbrest button to play different chords depending on which direction you moved the button. Is the AE-30 capable of the same programming?
Thanks.
Hi. Yes it will be possible on the Pro and there will be many more options as well.
Thanks Alastair - great review! I need to get my hands on one of these!
Hi Alistair. Thanks for your great videos. I had an EWI 4000 which just died (unfixable Akai tells me ). I am thinking about getting a Roland Aerophone AE 20 or 30. But I was wondering if the issue of key noise on the Roland is an issue that bothers you - especially if you are recording and the mechanical key noise can get picked up by a microphone (As opposed of course to the electronic touch keys of the Akai). What is your take on this ?
Hi. There’s a version 2 Pro now that has a quieter mechanism. The folks that have it say it’s super quiet and not an issue at all.
Thank you Alistair, great video as usual! I couldn't find any mention yet about custom fingering programming: is it the same as in the previous aerophones?
It has been expanded. The best yet.
@@PatchmanMusic Thanks Matt, I couldn't find anything in the published user manual. Any sneaky peak?
Great video! Can you use a radio microphone set up with this as I would use on my standard alto sax!? Thanks x
Yes. Lots of people use a guitar type radio transmitter. I believe boss make one that fits well into the Aerophone.
How is it working in a DAW linking to CC's? Oh and where can you buy one?
I'm using it with my DAW and many soft synths and its working really well. I don't have info about where to get one I'm afraid. I assume all the usual Roland dealers will get them in time.
Thanks for the informative videos as always, Alistair. This is the first I've heard of the lip / breath response being improved over the other models. Do you find that it's easier to play double-tounging and fast consecutive tongue attacks on here? I find such heavily articulated passages to be much harder on AE-10 than on an actual sax, and I'm not sure if it's due to the sensor itself or due to the mouthpiece.
Yes, I find the fast repetition much more responsive for speed and control of dynamics at speed. This is more obvious when playing more percussive sounds or as you say double-tounging.
@@isax.academy thanks again !
Great video! I own the AE-10 presently. I use my AE-10 primarily with my bands playing horn lines. Are there any improved horn section patches with the AE-30? Love the synth patches form both yours and Jay's preview of the new AE-30. I wished Roland had a trade-in program...lol. That's a lot of $$$ to have both models around.
How’s that AE 10? Want to learn the sax. Are the keys right in same spot as a real tenor sax? Trying to decide the 10 or 30. Thanks!
I am a sax player and woodwind doubler. I really enjoy adding the AE-10 to my offering. The fingering is like the sax in so many ways. I have the EWI’s but I find the AE-10 learning curve much easier than the EWI. You have to respect the EWI as an EWI. Hope that helps.
Thanks for your detailed description of the new Aerophone Pro. It got me really interested to upgrade to AE-30. (AE-10 is too thick and wide.) I have small hands. It is kind of hard for me to manage AE-05. As you pointed out AE-30 key arrangement has many similarities to AE-05. Is AE-30 thinner than AE-05? Will AE-30 key arrangement be better to manage than AE-05?
Yes, the key layout and instrument shape is certainly better for smaller hands.
Hello! I just wanted to know if the 2 bite sensor modes on the AE-10 are the same as the sax and e-wind functions on the AE-30. And if so, which feels more comfortable and sax-accurate to you, strictly for the bite vibrato capabilities? I am a saxophonist doing scoring with realistic physically modeled midi and the most accurate, sax-like vibrato is the only thing that I’m looking for in choosing one over the other.
The modes are the same on both. The sax setting is most like a real sax allowing the lip to control the rate and amplitude of the vibrato. The Ewind setting allows for vibrato but automatically centres the pitch after a dip in lip pressure.
However, the feel of the response is better on the AE-30 in my opinion.
Having said that we have to realise that nothing can feel exactly like a real saxophone because the oral cavity/ mouthpiece and reed plays such an important part on the real saxophone which the Aerophone can’t imitate. .
I love your videos and am very interested in buying one if these. I just wanted to ask everyone out there if they've had any experience playing this using the trumpet fingerings? Any thoughts or recommendations? Thanks
Hi there. Thanks for watching. Have you searched out Matt Traum from PatchmanMusic? He's the guy that developed the brass fingering and has an excellent website. I think you could get some good advice from him.
I want one. However, what’s your take on the Yamaha YDS-150? And for the price, the YDS-150 is cheaper and more authentic, with digital capabilities as well. Thanks for this in-depth review. I can’t wait for January. Ordered Roland through Patchman Music.
Hi. I've not had chance to try the Yamaha yet but it looks like its aimed at quite a different purpose. Much more towards feeling and playing like a sax. The AE-30 is more of a controller with a monster sound engine.
I went to school for classical trumpet and switched to jazz. Performed in my 20s and 30s before going into a different career. Tried playing again but it was too painful. Was diagnosed with lupus in 2019 which explains the joint pain. This looks like it'll be a great option for me to get back into music. I compose music as well. The only concern I have is learning the fingering. Does it have an option for trumpet fingering? Also, loved that you played "The Wichita Lineman" and "In a Sentimental Mood". Nice contrast! What backing tracks did you use for that? Thank you for the tutorial and reviews. Take care.
Hi. Yes it does have a trumpet fingering mode devised by Matt Traum. The backing tracks for those tunes are my own.
Thanks for watching.
Hi Alistair. Thanks for this great overview and your awesome playing! I play flute and piano / keyboards, and am interested in trying out wind synths. I have some specific questions: Firstly, when playing flute sounds on a wind synth do you have to use the octave switches/rollers to change octave? Or can you change octaves by "overblowing" into the mouthpiece, as with a real flute? Secondly, and related, can the breath sensor sense both "velocity" and "volume" of air independently? Or is there just a simple "breath pressure" sensor? For example, on the flute one can play with a wider and slower air stream for a mellow sound, or a narrow and faster air stream for a bright but still quiet sound. Is the same thing directly possible on a wind synth? Or would I have to program an alternative controller to change timbre without changing volume? For example, can the "bite" senser be programmed to change timbre? Or is it hard wired to pitch/vibrato?
Hi.
First answer is no, you have to use the octave rollers. As you know, on a flute the octaves change when the air is redirected slightly higher or lower. The Aerophone can’t detect that.
The second question is similar. The change of timbre is programmed into the patch or sound. For instance many sounds on the Aerophone will open up filters and modulate the sound as you crescendo. The bite sensor can be programmed to change up to 4 different parameters up and 4 down.
The Aerophone does send a velocity message as well as breath so sound can change accordingly but it will be a different feel to anything else.
The Aerophone like any other instrument an imitate certain features of other wind instrument it they are instruments in their own right and should be played as such.
Hope that helps.
@@isax.academy Thanks for answering my questions. Very understandable that a wind synth does not emulate all features of a particular "real" instrument, but you demonstrate how a wind synth can still be very versatile and creative, with many articulation options. Thank you!
Allistair, how is the violin sound on the new AEROPHONE? Is the quality of sound better then the Aerophone 10?
I'd say all the sounds are better and more responsive than previous models but for violin I'd still use the SWAM violin.
About the stereo 1/4" audio output....can a standard 1/4" guitar/instrument wireless plug right into it, or is an adapter needed?
Yes you can use a standard guitar audio wireless with it. There is a now also a global Stereo/Mono setting so you can set it to Mono and get the proper blended sound going to your amp. No more need for an adapter!
@@PatchmanMusic thank you sir!! Can’t wait to get mine!
O a30 e melhor que o a10?
Im sorry what about the Wave list is on the sounds list on page 12 after drum kit key ??thanks
So the Wave list is the building blocks for the tones and up to 4 tones can be combined in to a scene.
Hello Alistair, you are doing a great job. Can you recommend a good portable amplifier and speaker I can use at home with this instrument? Thanks
I use Bose speakers. Expensive but great.
Have a look at the S1.
Portable public address (PA) speakers used by buskers may also be a good fit. I think it is recommended to avoid electric guitar setups but a keyboard or bass setup should be okay.
3:40 Nice Wichita Lineman!
Hello, Alistair. Tell me, is there an auto-harmony function on this instrument?
You can programme up to 4 voice harmony which will then move in parallel.
Hello Alistair... love your vidoes and this one follows suit! Since you have the ability to "influence" and give direct feed back to Roland, please ask them to put a "microphone" in the mouthpiece so that the player can "hum" while playing to make it growl like a real sax. I have a AE-10 and I LOVE it, but this is the probably the biggest thing I wish was present; the thumb joystick is awkward for me... I use is well as a pitch bend, but when the same control is used for growl, sometimes I accidently bend the pitch by acciently... Just a thought... again, love your videos and you are a big part of why I now own a n AE-10! Cheers!
I wonder if a mic would just pick up all the sounds not just a players hum and therefor be unusable? Have you tried using the app to disable pith bend on the thumb lever so you don't accidentally trigger it?
@@isax.academy Hi Alistair... actually I use the pitch bend more than the "growl" so I wouldn't want to do that, but thank you for the suggestion. I feel confident that the master minds at Roland could "tune in" a microphone that could distinguish the player's "humming", but again just hoping you might use your "influence" with Roland and see if they seem receptive or balk at the idea. I am an engineer, so I feel quite confident their engineers could create a solution for this... usually just a matter of selling the idea that this would be a worth-while addition... it certainly would be the first in the EWI world to offer this feature? Thanks again for all your efforts and videos! Vm
Thank you for this breakdown. As someone who is not a sax player, and having had a WX5 for the last 10 years, I might be looking to upgrade, but I'm concerned about fingering systems. I dislike palm keys. I know why they're there, but on a wind controller they seem unnecessary. Does this have some "pure EWI" fingering modes on it where the palm keys are 100% optional or potentially as trill keys? I'm just looking to see if it has a more flexible electronic fingering system that isn't arbitrarily attached to acoustic instruments. (I'm a bassoon player, as you can see).
Sorry for not researching but based on another comment answer, I am very certain that there will be multiple fingering presets in addition to having user defined fingerings.
Yes indeed in fact the palm keys can be completely disabled if you prefer. There is a great EWI fingering mode and you can program your own fingerings or set keys to do different things like make a palm key always step up a semitone no matter what note is pressed. So you can have a kind of hybrid system which is what I do.
Hey! Your review was really useful. I'm currently thinking of investing in an Electronic Wind Instrument and wanted to ask you: What do you think of the Yamaha YDS-150?
Unfortunately I've never tried the Yamaha so I can't comment about playing it. I do think this Aerophone and the Yamaha are for a very different purpose.
@@isax.academy Thank you for your answer! What do you mean by different purpose?
@@juliabette6497 Hi Julia, I am not qualified, nor am I, answering on behalf of Alistair (and I doubt VERY much he would wish me to) but I thought I would comment from my 'average musician' perspective. From my research I believe that the Yah-150 is aimed at players mainly interested in sax sounds and experimenting across all the 4 models. I believe there are another 9 wind instruments also so, for me, very limited in it's target market/usage. The Pro has 600+ tones so your world is only limited by your imagination and, in my case, my limited talent(!) and that, I feel, is why there is such a huge difference in price. Unlike Alistair I am less interested in the synth sounds but by all the other instruments, especially the ethnic and string tones. Hope that may help you in some small way?
@@nuttysquirrel8574 It does! Thank you for taking the time to answer my question :)
Thank you! Thank you! Question about the key response. I have an ae10 that I stopped using because of the amount of pressure it takes to press the keys. I often will not quite press hard enough on a button for it to click and engage. Is this instrument any different in that regard? You say it’s smoother but is that just in reference to the clicking noise or is it smoother feeling as well? My background is with the Yamaha controllers going back to the wx7 which I loved and played professionally for many years. The combination of breath, lip and key response worked for me - albeit with lots tweaking on the lip response. Sadly Yamaha has dropped the ball. The ea10 comes closest to the wx’s with good lip and breath response but the key action requires too much pressure for me. I think what I want is an ewi with a Roland mouthpiece :) Thanks again for the excellent review.
Actually, Jay Metcalf from Better Sax claims in his video that the octave keys of the AE30 need even more pressure than those of the AE10
@@FA-fl9sz This is a prototype. Jay has the one with the spit can.
Hi. I'm surprised to hear you say that. I've always found the keys to be easy to press but I guess I come from a saxophone background. The keys on the AE-30 are smoother to press down and feel more positive both in terms of the physical movement and the contact with the sensors to change notes. Again with the octave keys I have not found that the octave keys are at all hard to press down. Perhaps some of the photo-type instruments can vary slightly.
@@isax.academy as mentioned not my personal experience, just something I remembered from Jay's video
If one has the AE-10, can it be "upgraded" with the mouthpiece from the AE-30?
No, I don't think so, and even it it could the improvement here is in the internal mechanics not just there mouthpiece.
Can you transpose the brass instruments to concert pitch? Say a Bb cornet to concert pitch. Thanks in advance.
Yes!!!
what is the name of the synth sound programmer for this? Thanks!
Matt Traum and I did some programming of sounds. There were others I believe but I don't know their names I'm afraid.
Thanks for this review Alistair. Have you tried the 5-pin MIDI connections? Obviously I'm interested in being able to play my older synths without having to go via a computer, but I'm also interested in being able to play the Aerophone from a keyboard or drum pads.
I've tried it going from AE-30 to a synth but not the other way around. I'll try to test that and get back to you.
@@isax.academy Great, thanks Alistair!
Yes, the MIDI In port can be used to play the sounds in the AE-30! The AE-30 works extremely well as a "synth module" for other controllers- even other wind controllers! The breath response going into it via MIDI is very fast- perhaps even slightly faster than using the AE-30's own breath sensor!
@@PatchmanMusic excellent, thanks for letting me know. Makes it seem less expensive if I'm getting a "module" included. I wonder if it comes with 19" rack ears? 😁
Is there a hook loop for a neck strap?
Thanks!
Yes indeed.
This looks great. Does this instrument send audio over bluetooth? I'm a clarinet player (never played saxaphone) and I'll need a fingering chart and some help with sorting out which alternate fingerings to use in which situation. Is that easy for an old, not so intelligent a guy to do? Maybe I should just stick with clarinet, but this looks like to much fun to miss.
The Aerophones do not send audio out over bluetooth. This would cause a delay in hearing the sound which would make it very difficult to play.
The AE-30 and the recently released AE-20 now feature a clarinet fingering mode. It is not perfect but it should allow you to apply some of your playing technique to this instrument. While these are not perfect replacement instruments for physical old school instruments, they are good robust electronic instruments in their own right, possibly worth an investment of time and effort to make music with.
Is this better than the AE 10 ? Which one mimics a tenor sax the best for the fingering keys . Trying to learn a tenor sax . Thank you!🎄🎄🎄
Thank you for your reply!👍
Personally I don't like the sax sounds on any wind synth but all the sounds are better on the AE-30 than on the AE-10. If you want to play tenor sax, play tenor sax.
Alistair, are the alto sax sounds better than the AE-10?
The truth is, I haven't tried them much. I know this is something folks are interested in. The sax sounds in particular are almost impossible to replicate. I've tried the Soprano sax which you can hear in the demo I did for Roland and one of the other Roland demos has the Bari on it, both of which I think sound better than the AE-10. As I've said in this video I'm really into the synth sounds on the Pro and those instrumental sounds that I don't already play myself.
After playing my AE-10 for a while, water drops start to accumulate in the mouth piece chamber. Unfortunately the little water hole couldn't drain the water quicker than needed. As a result, I feel I am blowing with splash! Does AE-30 has the same design as AE-10 in this aspect?
It is the same for me, it il a real problem
I think there design is more like the AE-05 which is better than the AE-10 for that. It's important to leave the Aerophone standing upright when possible to allow for the drain. The other thing is some players are just a little 'wetter' than others.
Thanks Alistair for your explanation of how this works on AE-30. Much appreciated. 🙏
Ae-05 and new ipad for wireless midi synth, ae-10 for good standalone features- but no wireless, or ae 30 to bankrupt me for everything I could want in one package. Hard choice!
Yes indeed. Just one thought. Many players don't actually use the wireless very often. They prefer a good solid cable connection. The synth in the Pro is excellent but might be more than you need. The AE-05 actually works very well as a controller and is small and light.
Probably not much help to you but some more ideas to consider.
It may be possible to add Bluetooth MIDI to the AE-10 these days and there is now a Goldilock’s model, the AE-20 available.
what is that song playing over your outtro? its on the tip of my tongue, i just cant name it! i know the other one is wichita lineman, which is probably one of the best cover arrangements ive ever heard you play!
Thanks for listening. I think you mean "James' by Pat Metheny.
@@isax.academy that's the one. Thanks for all you do!
Hello. When will this be available to the public?
I think in January.
How does this work for someone that has no experience at all? Is there like feature or something to lock in a scale And tonic so if I don't know how to play it will keep me in key while making a track in my saw using VSTs? I guess what I'm asking if I brought this will I be able to freestyle on it and still sound good in key or do you have to have some knowledge of a woodwind instrument in order to use it?
Tricky question. You can set the key of the instrument and the fingering system is pretty easy to learn but like anything else if you want to do it well you'll need to practice I'm afraid.
@@isax.academy so do you think that AE30 is for more of a professional or someone that's a newbie? And what's the difference between the AE 30 and the AEO5 or AE10
Otro mas en Ingles, y en Español, ni uno, cómo puedo conocerlo antes de comprarlo ?? gracias
Will you be doing a review on the new Akai EWI Pro?
Hi Dan. Do you mean the Akai EWI Solo or have I missed something?
@@isax.academy Yes - I'm hoping there is no conflict with your work with Roland instruments.
Hi, can I use the Yamaha vl70m with the pro AE30 thanks
Yes you can!
Hi Alister. I always find your tutorials excellent but I have come up with a problem that I can find no answers for on the web or Roland support. I have followed instructions and uploaded software version 2.02 I now find I have many sounds missing. I presume I need to remove the software and load again. Is this possible ? Has anyone else experienced this problem. Thanks in anticipation. . Barrie Fox.
Hi Barrie. I think we got this fixed on the iSax FB group?
I am looking for a device to practice my sax fingering and do silent practice I am a learning alto sax player cost is not an issue do you think this would be suitable for that as well as learning to play a windsytnth is the key noise a real problem ? Even a sax has key noise but we never hear it as we are always playing it with sound
I have spent many hours on the Aerophone practicing things I will play on the saxophone and it’s been very helpful. I use headphones so the key noise isn’t a problem. Of course you don’t get the response of the subtle changes of response from a real saxophone it as far as fingering is concerned it works well.
Remember the Aerophone is a different instrument. To play saxophone well there’s no substitute for a real saxophone. To play wind synth well you need to practice the wind synth. There’s no shortcuts.
@@isax.academy Hi Alistair Many many thanks for the reply many people on UA-cam do not reply and I truly appreciate that. I have been playing alto sax since last august and it is going quite well and I love it , and I practice my alto sax every day for an hour at least but its a problem with neighbours to do mor. So the silent practice is the most interesting thing for me I had been looking only at the YDS 150 but then I saw the Aerophone AE30 and found that even more interesting. I am not worried about the E sax sounding same as a sax, as I get that with my real sax but I do truly like the idea of exploring and expanding my abilities with an E- Sax as well as the benefits of silent practice. When you say practice wind synth how does that differ from the real sax with regards to fingering and playing is there lessons for this matter online or teachers ? I live in the Netherlands.
I'm starting to make the move into digital instruments and was told that Roland synthesizers tend to lock you into Apple products and software and that I should look at the Yamaha 150 if I want to use my android and PC gear. Is this true?
Not true, but I have read that the audio limitations of some Android devices can cause latency.
Does the aerophone pro be able to plug into a bass amp?
Yes, but it won’t sound great on anything but bass sounds.
Is it like the 10..a sax key layout?
Yes indeed. Sorry if that wasn’t clear in the video.
And I should have waited. 3 months ago I bought the AE-10
it’s $1,500
Meanwhile, I can't get my Ae-10 to connect to the app anymore. Hard to get help for this problem, so I'm thinking twice before I spent a lot of money on this pro model.
Do you have the right cable to connect it? Some people have had problems using 3rd part adapters and cables that aren't fully supported. Mine connects every time.
Also, can you play through say, a Bose speaker with Bluetooth?
According to Alistair in this video it doesn't transmit audio via Bluetooth even though it does receive audio.
Please, please, please, share how you combat the repeated “sticking” of the keys.
I’m afraid I don’t get any sticking keys. I wonder if yours will ‘play in’ a bit as you use it more.
I will try. It is just frustrating when it happens.
I’ve been looking around for acceptable lubricants to help overcome the stickiness.
Alistair: you play a song at 13min. Which song is it? Sounds very nice. Thumbs up. Please let me know the title.
Hi. The tune is James by Pat Metheny. Thanks for watching.
I’ve heard your playing for the past few years and this is by far your best playing so far (you were all ready at a bass ass level) therefore I can really hear how much of an upgrade this instrument is to anything else I’ve seen. Seems to translate your articulation perfectly. I’m super excited and will get hard to work to make the money to get one as soon as possible. Thank you for the electric wind love you put out into the word
Many thanks.
I'm very sorry to say that I'm sending my AE pro back to the dealer. This is the second one I'm sending back with the same problems namely sticking F# and palm keys. It's a big enough problem to make it unusable. i thought it important to comment on it.
Sorry you’ve had problems. I’ve tested many of these and not had any issues with sticking keys. Perhaps hand positioning is an issue?
good morning my name is giovanni and I write from venice / italy ... I am a happy owner of AE 10 .. I wanted to ask if you let me listen to the sound of the flute DUKDUK Armenian wind instrument .. between AE10 and AE30 What a difference in quality of the instruments and sound
Hi. I will try to get round to this but I have many videos to produce first. Thanks for watching.
do i need to learn sax to play this, im a flautist
Ok:
How can I transfer an AE-10 sound to a AE-30 ????
I have a patch I really like
Great question!
Unfortunately this is not possible directly. If you're talking about Super Natural sound then the onboard SN sounds on the Pro should be the same or better. If its synth sounds you'd have to search through to find something similar.
It may also be possible to find someone who try to replicate the sound using the Zen-core synth editor.
How accurately does it simulate a saxophone?
Very subjective. There are so many tonal variations a saxophone can produce. Personally I don’t use the saxophone sounds because I play acoustic saxophone but there are many people who are happy with the saxophone sounds onboard.
To anyone who's listened to any meaningful amount of saxophone music, it does a very poor job, as does any modern saxophone emulation. The technology just isn't there yet and probably has a long way to go.
Can this be played through a bluetooth speaker?
The sounds of the Aerophone can't be sent over Bluetooth. There would be too much delay. The AE-30 send MIDI over bluetooth to play external gear like a laptop or iPad. You can sen something like a backing track from an iPad to the AE-30 and this sound will be mixed with the internal Aerophone sounds so you can play along with it.
@@isax.academy Thanks for the reply, love your channel.
I imagine this thing controls midi well. The most cost effective way to get a GREAT natural sound is using the AE-10 with the SWAM software. I don't know how much better the control aspect of this would be for $1500. The company that makes SWAM needs to partner with Roland or someone to make the holy grail instrument for us doublers. I want to NOT have to bring 10 cases with me and set them all up with stands, reeds and tuning. I was very disappointed that my AE-10 did not have a proper alto flute. If I want synth sounds I play a keyboard. I don't "get" the synthesizer/saxophone thing at all and I think this may be a market mistake but I'm just a doubler, who knows. The question is will anyone buy this and not send it back, I guess. I'm on my third AE-10 as the first two had defective sensors.
The synth-sax thing is great for me because my keyboard skills will never approach my sax skills for playing synth solos in my compositions.
Don't forget Samplemodeling which started the highest quality virtual instruments, and specifically designed it for wind controllers, not just for keyboards.
The EWI was first conceived to play synth sounds, because guess what? You can't do that on a saxophone! And you can't compare it with a keyboard, unless you have a breath controller, but it's still not the same thing.
I don't get why you would want to play sub par "acoustic instruments" if you can play the real deal. I can see the need for it for wedding gigs and such if that's your line of work. But then why not just play the saxophone and perhaps the flute? Not a lot to carry around. Rather sound good on two real instruments than ridiculous on 10 fake ones.
The white plasticky look of the 10 was very toyish-looking. They certainly improved the aesthetics on the 30.
I think the decision IMHO comes down to the breath sensor. All the nuances of playing reeds or brass or flute are what counts.
That’s why Roland subsequently made a graphite grey model...
Wonderful that you played Mike's historic 'Sentimental Mood' solo. To me this instrument lacks the tonal depth and richness that Mike got out of his analog gear.
Isn't it interesting that, after all these years of real wind synth advancement, that none of them have come close to what Brecker was able to get out of his relatively primitive instrument at the time. Quite a testament to him.
Why? I can play any of the sounds on my synthesizer.
This is for wind players so they can play the sounds you like to play on your keyboard.