... *I* *def* *would* *have* *gotten* *this* *that* *if* *I* *were* *vvhite....* Says the collesteral that doesnt try to do anything outside of its comfort zone, waiting to be *Approach* *by* *Cry* *Cry* *the* *world* *against* *me* TT Is that what Exolution sums up too? *Where* *Fingers* *have* *no* *purpose* *but* *to* *pull* *triggars* And that thing went to living in Merca... *It* *should* *live* *in* *the* *Xit* *Ole* *it* *start* *and* *complain,* *see* *if* *it* *improves* *anything.* you see these things get Attention by complaining for doing nothing but expect privalage.
If a VA is uncomfortable voicing someone of a different race they should be allowed to decline but that should be their decision and not something that is forced upon them
@wrongthinker843 They aren't clearly not doing that. I think the VAs were clearly focus on talents and see how other voice actors work on other characters based on talent.
If they want other people to voice by race then they should be forced to not speak other races. Enjoy those years of honing your talent to see your own big mouth ruin it.
Thinking that a black, Mexican, or Asian character needs to sound more like their race sounds racist within itself. Like not all people of a specific ethnicity sound the same, everyone can sound different.
Yeah, there was a case a couple years ago where people where complaining about Miruko from MHA voice because "black should sound black" (even though she's a tan japanese but ok) and the voice actress turned out to be black herself
@@naty8646Anaris is nothing more than a hypocrite. She voices characters that are White and Japanese while she's a Black woman. The vast majority of Voice Actors are hypocrites as well especially POC actors as they voiced Japanese, White, and other ethnicities that aren't their's.
@@naty8646see when these jackasses mean "black" they actually mean Ghetto Black. I was shown the difference by one of these assholes while abroad when they butted into my viewing of Bleach on a bus. Their reference image was literally a gang photo from a ghetto. The blatant racism of these shitlings are why they want the meaning diluted as much as possible. They're insane or stupid.
My favourite case is when Ramlethal's VA stepped down for Guilty Gear Strive because a black woman should be in the role instead In case you don't know, Ramlethan ain't even fucking human, she's a magical clone thingie; and the person she's cloned from is a white woman anyway But becasue she's dark-skinned, she needs a black VA that totally makes sense. Best part: Said VA who stepped down most famous role was a japanese character, meaning by her own logic she shoudl've stepped down and let an asian actor in.
As a Black/Carribean Latina (Haitian Dominican American), I feel like America is too obsessed with race. Like are we really out here saying that a white character can’t play a black character because they can’t say the N-word? Why would you want them to say it in the first place?💀 It doesn’t matter what the race of the character is as long as VA's voice fits and same applies vice versa.
I'm an American, and you're 100% right. This country has really gone to hell over the last 6 or 7 years, and its gotten to a point that it really doesn't matter who's voted in, because nothing really changes. I spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars a week trying to keep food in the fridge, nothing being done about that. But these morons will fight for things like this, thinking they're being virtuous.
@@ZoneHeart00 the problem with this really stems from how many of the state cultures that are tied to this have power over airwaves and in this case whos willing to hire who and what they believe.
It's the fringe imbeciles who are obsessed with this BS where they believe the color of a person's skin should determine what sort of voice roles they can take. Unfortunately, they tend to screech very, very loudly and the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The vast majority of us are sick of these clout-chasing virtue-signaling morons who are actually perpetrating a form of racism in the name of fighting racism.
@@MichelangeloVA even if it is a minority, you will still be bombarded everywhere you go for common sense. you rarely find any good people to stick up for you. the large majority would let people burn alive.
Woke crowd pushes for "inclusivity" so hard that they become louder, more visible racists than the people they accuse of racism. Ah yes the circle of life.
@@MichelangeloVA You get what you tolerate. These people didnt wanna risk their work speaking out and now they get to suffer with it. They had a choice and they decided being silent was easier than rocking the boat and having to find new gigs that aligned with said majority.
so ProZd is fine with white actors getting only white characters but then he complains for only getting asian roles? You know what's that called: HYPOCRISY.
it's more correct that he is fine with white VAs being barred from competing for non-white parts but doesn't think the same restrictions should apply to white parts.
I'm from California, lived here almost my whole life, and this stance will never make sense to me. So many of these VAs are amazing at what they do and I so want to like them, and I can't fathom why they feel the need to pull these ridiculous stunts, supporting a voice-acting philosophy that's literally segregation. And holy fluck, Cho is either unbelievably out of touch or just lying through his teeth. Would someone just say to him, "Hey, didn't you play a Scandinavian squirrel?"
@@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201 Right, but a lotta the time, they’re fun ‘cause they’re stupid. This is stupid in a not fun way. This guy’s acting like a cartoon character that’s always the butt of the joke.
Imagine these people trying to figure out Darth Vader VA. James Earl Jones was black, but the guy in the suit was white, but the suit itself is black, but Anakin is white.
Because the white folks who bought into it got their virtue signaling fix or were scared shtless of being r a c i s t, and the "non white" folks who bought into it saw it as chance to get roles they were being "hindered" from getting because they think they deserved first dibs based on race. And now in order to not step on toes people are defaulting VAs by race if they're a minority. In short: cowardice and selfishness. It's why damn near everything is sht these days.
Because nowadays for some screwed up reasons the race topic became very trendy. And "famous" people loves to be as trendy as possible, and sadly their brainwashed fans will follow them without a question.
I love how if i had never seen ProZD's face, only heard his voice, i would have never guessed his ethnicity. As things were before, he could probably get any deep voice role. Now he got what he and a ton of ppl like him wanted (segregation), only they thought it would benefit them. I'm not gonna say it's deserved, because a bad thing doesn't become a good thing because ppl selfishly and obnoxiously asked for it... But hopefully lesson learned to view issues from a broad perspective and not just from a "it's only a problem when i'm the one suffering from it" perspective.
ProZD also said something about "any generic asian" being ok, making it clear he considered it racist. He’s completely ignoring that by the same type casting standards any white actor can play any French, German, Norwegian, etc. role despite all these also having their differences like Japanese and Korean...
Nah man, you don't get it. Your evil racist world views make you not realize that there is infinitely more difference between Vietnamese and Korean than there is between Portuguese and Russian. That was sarcasm
Its like they forgot the famous line from Carey Elwes in the spoof movie Robinhood Men in Tights, "Unlike some other Robinhoods, I can speak with an English accent."
Agreed people like to casually lump all white people together completely disregarding any nuance for culture, language, and history. But when that is done to Asians it is racist. Very hypocrtical
Because they honestly view "white people" as being a single monolithic culture, and yet at the same time claim "there is no such thing as white culture". It's like saying if you have a group of six white people, one from the US, one from Germany, one from Sweden, one from Russia, one from France, and one from the UK, that there would be "no diversity, they're all the same".
ProZD talked so much, that even he just wants it to not exist. The man is so deeply buried by his boneless sense of "humour", I low-key waited for this
As a Mexican, to jamleson there literally nothing wrong being white and doing the voice of a Mexican character like chad. Like the person said on reddit, you can be anything and do the voice for any character as long as your voice matches the character
Absolutely correct! If a VA doesn't want to voice a specific character, then so be it. But his reasoning for it was pure virtue signaling. He had no issue voicing Chad for all those years and collecting a paycheck. I wonder if he gave all his earnings to helping VA's of color. I'm sure he didn't! ;)
At least in the Japanese voice acting entertainment, they were hired for their talents and credentials of previous voice roles that they've played than "muh representation".
The real argument should be whether Industry Veterans should always get priority over new VAs when picking voice roles in upcoming titles. More people should be able to break into the industry especially as studios try to break free from union work due to the strikes and figuring out ways to cost balance.
I remember I got selected for this Moon Knight Audiobook I auditioned in and one of the characters happens to be Raoul Bushman, which happens to be of African descent (West/Central Africa, I’m not sure). Surprisingly, I got cast. And the director praised me for my performance, even though I’m not of African decent. It’s because I call pull off the accent well. And I keep thinking the whole point of voice-acting focuses on how well you use the voice, NOT based on the skin color.
That's what is called "acting". You aren't being paid for your ethnicity, but for how well you can act the roles of the characters. It amazes me how such a basic concept could be forgotten just for woke brownie points. Also, congratulations for getting the role!
Congrats. And yeah its funny that the people who love to go around acting like they hate racism the most tend to be the ones with the most racist ideas.
Congrats dude! I only voiced in small local indie projects so far so i've luckily never had to deal with the racist industry that much but some of the people i talked to have had roles stolen from them based on their skin color. Ironically enough, most of them werent even white. Most of them were asian, turkish or arabs. They lost the roles simply because they werent mexican, white, black or indian enough. It really sucks how segregation in the name of diversity seems to be all the rage again. Not just in voice acting but seemingly everywhere segregating people based on their gender, sexuality or race gets painted as something good. They started doing taxpayer funded "POC only" summer camps in my country about a year ago. So imagine you have a kid and your kid wants to go to summer camp with his friends. But your kid isnt allowed to go because his skin is too bright. Thats segregation by definition and i believe that whoever came up with this shit is just as racist as those who came up with the Jim crow laws, they just cant make it as obvious yet
Like with Chad from Bleach. I am not really expecting him to have an accent because if I remember correctly, he basically grew up in Japan. So I can kind of expect him to be fluent in Japanese and have little to no accent. Although since he is a pretty large guy, I kind of expect him to have a deep voice. I'm hispanic and the only time I use spanish is with older family members. Pretty sure my english has no accent because I grew up learning to use english. Now with foreign exchange students, I would appreciate if dubbing went the extra mile and have them have some sort of accent. Either way I mostly watch subs nowadays and so this current stuff doesn't really affect me.
I saw an interview with Cree Summer, and she said one of the things she likes about voice acting is that she has more role opportunities, and is not limited to just playing the one black girl.
Her favorite character is a sex addiction named Foxy Love from the very first animated reality show Drawn Together. Don't watch it. The show isn't for everyone
@@TheRockK95 Or do watch it, if you want. It's a funny show, if someone watches it and doesn't like it they can just stop. Why tell them not to watch it at all? Also, what does any of this have to do with OP's comment?
None of those who advocated for this sort of thing thought it would apply to them, too. They only thought it would get their competition out of the way, not also disqualify them, too.
But then they'll just assume your race by the sound of your voice, and probably get it wrong lmao. Just look at the Mirko "black should sound black" thing.
As someone who wants to get into voice acting, I really hope this sort of thinking doesn’t overtake the industry. I don’t want to be stuck with certain role just because I “look the part”.
This reminds me of when Michelle Rojas basically brow beat a fellow VA into giving up a role as she wasn't the same race as the character. Now people like her, Rial and Marchi are stuggling to get roles and when they do they don't deviant from the script like they use too. This drama also makes you appreciate VA legends like Mel Blanc even more for what he did back in the day with the massive amount of characters he voiced of all different backgrounds.
Honestly feels like several of these expected to get an unfair advantage if this goes through. Prozd for example straight up said he expected to still get white rolls. In other words, white voice actors only get to voice white characters while he gets to voice whoever ge wants. Thereby artificially cutting down competition for rolls as he can apply for whatever he wants while rivals are limited...
Exactly. It's about putting others down so there's less competition while he does what he wants. It's not even about having a terrible view about "acting authentically" or whatever. It's just to give himself more roles with less work
@@JustSomeHeeHoI felt sorry for Mike Henry who was forced out of the role of Cleveland on FAMILY GUY. While the actor who replaced him does a spot-on Cleveland (to me), Henry originated the role and played him for years, including during the short-lived spinoff.
So basically, when asked if he'll only VA for his race, dude just goes "Nah, I just don't want my voice being associated with black people"? Man, people have been blacklisted for less.
It's so funny how people think brown skin anime characters are black just because their skin is brown not to mention how hypocritical these va's are when stepping down voicing a colored character but will still continue to voice japanese one's SMFH
These people don't leave their homes and probably don't know the territory and population of their own country. Much less that of other countries. They are mentally children who superficially understand the world.
ProZd and people like him in the VA community, deserve this BS. Stepping down or not auditioning for, roles based on ethnicity is racist, by their terminology and according to their rules.
He basically stated that whites should voice white characters, black should voice black characters...etc... Now he tried auditioning to voice characters that are "white"... He was denied... See the irony...
The Chad VA situation is the most obvious example self-serving "altruism". Simply put, there aren't that many dark-skinned characters in anime, so relinquishing those roles doesn't really hurt one's ability to find work. But to stop voicing Japanese characters? Aka 98% of all anime characters? That means effectively kneecapping your career. Nobody in their right mind would agree to that.
I'll just say it out loud: The reason this debate even exists is because Americans are so obsessed with race that they think people of a different ethnicity are inherently different types of poeple; it's not about culture or the people you grew up with; your ethnic backgound is the most important thing that defines how you act and that includes how you sound like Just look at how often black poeple are called 'not acutally black' cause they don't use AAVE, or people who criticize parents who adopt children of a different race casue 'the kid won't grow up with it's people' It's a simple nature vs nurture thing; and the US in general seems to believe that nature (in their view, race) is what acutally matters.
Don't lump all of us in with those fuckwads. I wouldn't even say they're the majority, the problem is that they were all given authority to force their will onto any employment body.
It's been typically Americans that advocate "against" racism the loudest too, yet they are the most racist bunch. The irony and hypocrisy is ridiculously thick.
Always remember that whenever you hear folks accusing Trump & his supporters of being racist, it's precisely because most of us oppose these kinds of things! These ideologues truly see good as evil and evil as good... smh
Kevin Michael Richardson is one of my favorite VAs. He's played black characters, white characters, Martians, monsters and tons of other roles. He's a black man irl, and I think if he was limited to roles that match his skin tone, they would've robbed everyone of his awesome voice
Lmao, this stupid notion that characters should only be voice by their own race would mean that pretty much every dubbing studio should mostly hire Asian VAs since most anime characters are Asian (Japanese) - not white.
Exactly, until we remember there were articles in the past where these same morons thing all anime characters are white, or are drawn white or whatever. So they won’t hire any Asians
Robot character must only be voiced by AI. which is a lot more feasible than finding a Tiefling to voice a tiefling character, or a Dragon to voice a talking Dragon. 🤣🤣
Does that mean Nancy Cartwright should be fired from the Simpsons and Bart be voiced by a male VA? 🤣 Like Hero or someone else said, this entire rhetoric is f**king ridiculous and should be done akin to The Voice.
Only in the west... Imagine that in the original dub, nearly all of the VA are japanese despite portraying characters of different ethnicity and race. Yet, their projection of the characters are still spot on captivating. So why the hell does it matter now to westerners...? This is why I'd always prefer original japanese dub and read subs coz the VA, regardless of race and color are able to project the characters they are voicing all because of talent and passion to their craft. The japanese professionalism in VA are just top notch. To the western VA... Good luck 😂
On one hand I think voice actors should be chosen based on how close they sound to the characters, but on the other hand since we can no longer go backwards I look forward to seeing anime with English dubs done by English speaking voice actors in a Japanese dubbing studio.
@@npcimknot958 Indeed they are. The "modern audience" as we like to call it, created this monster that these voice actors have to deal with. They were so afraid of getting canceled that they lost their balls in the process.
Voice acting used to be the most inclusive part of the entertainment industry, anyone could play any part, anyone could play any race, age, sex, or non human of any kind.
@@scyris99 it wasn't even the woke BS that did it, it was actually when laci green started to be an actual reasonable person and got bombed off the Internet, then it was apparent the extremism was more profitable than being center or level headed and everything has just become more polarized every year, anti woke stuff has ruined just as much as woke stuff
Imagine viewing yourself so superior to others that you claim yourself to be racist to others by voicing a fictional character based on skin color only for you to take back what you say when you get what you “really” want
The woke never actually cared about a social justice cause, only about making themselves look good or profiting off of it. With WEF investment firms like Blackrock and Vanguard pushing those ESG/DEI scores, the latter is more likely.
Phil Lamarr played an Eastern/Northern European Boy, a Japanese Samurai. Cree Summer plays a white girl. Tara Strong plays an Asian Monk. No one cared at all until recently.
Phil Lamarr, unfortunately, also supports this weird, discriminatory rhetoric and basically told anyone pointing out his hypocrisy due to playing Samurai Jack to shut up.
As I always say, race should not matter when VOICING a character because you're not seeing the VA themselves only hearing the voice. Plus, at this rate, if we only follow the logic of this character could only be a voice from this race because they are the same race, then we will hardly get any new anime from Japan as most of their animes take place in a Japanese setting with Japanese citizens, meaning by their logic, only the English speaking Japanese could voice them. My stance is, if the voice fits well for the character, then it should be fine as it is only the voice you are hearing, not seeing the VA themselves.
This is quite strange to me that the "woke" VAs advocate for "authenticity" in voice acting reflecting the race of the character to their actors. What ever happened to quality of character instead of the color of one's skin or the shape of one's eyes? Because this sounds to me skill isn't being advocated here but one's race. It sounds a lot like the "polite racism" that MLK warned about long ago and the left is achieving exactly that in a fit of irony fighting against said racism. I really find it hard to understand what lead them to think this way.
@@luisiana1121honestly i can understand why they think this way. Not that i condone it but people in america still grow up in race-based communities so they have what is essentially a real life twitter bubble for their entire childhood and early adulthood. If you've ever followed any weird twitter bubbles, you know that isolated bubbles often form extremist views that are almost completely unrelated to the real world. So i dont find it hard to believe that somebody who grew up in a black or mexican neighborhood thinks that all white people are oppressors who need to be fought against by any means possible. Thats ofc wrong, i think that racism no matter by who and no matter who its directed at is just fucking awful. But lets be real youre not getting this out of people by shaming them on social media. The only way to fix this is by somehow creating diverse neighborhoods so everybody eventually realizes that we're all just people. I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood and to me racism never made any sense until i was like 12 because in my world your skin color always was as unimportant as your hair color of your eye color. At most we joked about it a bit with friends just like how you would make jokes about hair color.
@@cantinadudes It's strange to me because I grew up what is essentially a homogeneous environment that is the Philippines. One would expect that being in such an environment that surrounded by the same type of people I'd have this bad impression of people who are different. But I don't since I grew up consuming media like cartoons, anime and video games where it's surrounded by different people of different backgrounds and since it's electronic media it's easy to access through the internet or even TV. A lot more here when people are offered free phones and being on a continent that is essentially a blender filled with all kinds of cultures turning into this mega cultural smoothie but people here are a lot more divided despite that. As of lately I've seen being racist to white people being normal which I see as unacceptable and people who are obsessed being in "diverse" environments tell me that I'm oppressed...somehow and that white people are horrible and the other side, in their eyes, blacks and other minorities are "good" including the CCP even. I just think it's strange that despite being in a hotpot of different cultures in the UNITED States of America, they are a lot more divided by their own actions no less. It's a sad spectacle tbh
@@popjack-ir2ziits a good idea, since Japan anime main revenue always from local market Anime releasing a dub wont increases their profits lmao only stupid exposure
I remember that as a CA denizen. I was appalled that anyone would even suggest voting out the discrimination law. I showed it to one of my 'woke' friends WITHOUT mentioning it was the Democrats that want it and of course, she was furious. But once I mention it was the Dems that wanted to vote it out, she went silent.
Yeah, SungWon is commonly espousing a lot of really silly things in social media. I eventually had to stop following him. A lot of his takes were intentionally and willfully applied to only certain people. It's like he has no self-awareness
This is exactly what he wanted, and instead of accepting that it all backfired on him, he shifted the goal post to make the problem about something else, than acted like nothing happened when he couldn't weasel out of responsibility. I don't feel bad for him.
I think what he wanted was for white guys to be stuck voicing white guys while he can voice whoever he wants. Problem is that when animation projects get criticism for not hiring the "right" people for the "right" roles the "right" people will only get the "right" roles.
I fucking feel this i do I do commercial VOs and very small character gigs and i got a 4 paragraph email saying how i should not read the roles for the characters that are out of my ethnicity
Diane was so disconnected from her Vietnamese roots, her voice actress makes sense. Obviously someone who was born and raised in the USA was gonna sound US-American, do these people think accents are genetic or something? And heck, within the context of the show, her parents were so naturalized that they were Bostonites first, Vietnamese second
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 Look at the 'I can do anything a man can' crowd for how bad they fail at biology. Which is literally the same crowd that is race obsessed. Woke people are all the same people really.
yo thats a really great point at the end. if even californians cant get on board bc your too extreme thats nuts. californians are already extreme and this is too extreme for them. lol
its almost like they thought: `we have our backlog of popular roles, so it wont affect us and make it harder for the new blood, aka competition to get roles, leaving more options for us`
i remember ProzD saying that Voice Acting is acting, not just making your voice deeper or higher to fit the character. so....why are these actors stepping down from the role when they could just learn the culture of the character from another person of that race? it's not live action where the physical appearance is crucial, you are acting through voice. if they talk about cultural authenticity, people can cook authentic cuisine from a different race and it's accepted. VAs stepping down from the roles just made unnecessary problems
I think he backed it, expecting the change to benefit him, not realizing how many companies would just say, "We want the prolific voice actors and the actors themselves are patrolling race, so let's make our characters white so we can hire them." That and not understanding how character design usually indicates target audience as well. If you're going for the majority of people in the US, most of your characters are going to be white because that's what the majority of the US population is right now. If I'm targeting the black population with my show, most of my characters would be black. It's pretty simple logic, but not something people think about unless they are in that position.
This is what they wanted, representation in the form of racism. But they didn't see it coming because not one of these actors could think past their own noses. They didn't do the math or show their work. They just squawk to the message like parrots. Fun fact: Yoruichi isn't even black. She's meant to be Indian. There are black characters in bleach men and women, and Yoruichi doesn't share a single feature with any of them. She's as black as Piccolo from DBZ.
And by Yoruichi being Indian; then she should be voiced by let’s say; Kody Kavita or Anjali Kupaneni (sorry if I mispelled either), not Anairis Quinones (Black Latina). But in reality, Wendee Lee shouldnt have been replaced. Now the whole thing felt like Disney’s Snow White that brazenly attempted diversity but didnt hired the correct people for the Seven dwarves; thereby depriving the actual minority that should have gotten the opportunity. Tsk… Panderverse is real. Woke is shit.
@@grhtheblahaj4248Oh, I 100% agree. Wendy Lee is the voice I hear when I see Yoruichi, and it was totally a shitty move of faux virtue that means nothing and accomplished less. One of my favorite VAs in media is Phil LaMarr, a black guy who voiced a ton of iconic characters of my childhood from Static shock to Samurai Jack. I knew it was him but never even thought about it, let alone thaught it was weird. Let good VAs voice whoever, and let the shitty ones find a new career path.
...Where did you get the "She is supposed to be Indian" tho bcs I believe Kubo never really specified her race? I agree with you that she isn't black, but I wouldn't pin her as Indian just bcs she's brown, not pale like a stereotypical Japanese either bcs dark skinned Japanese ppl do exist IRL tho, esp those in rural areas who work a lot in fields and ppl in Okinawa which is located more tropically, so she might just be drawn based on them, who knows? Or maybe Kubo just thought of giving her a brown skin bcs it looks cool, and everyone was freaking out over her slight difference in color palette over nothing... IMO, unless author clearly specify it, it's stupid to pin a race to any fictional character just bcs "she doesn't look the same as her stereotype so must be different" tho...
@@J-D-S It wasn't ever specified in the manga, that would be really weird for Kubo to say anything about it. I assume he knew his readers have eyes. It's more about the design of her and the great family she's from. Of course there's a lot of Japanese in the design as well, coming from a Japanese author, and being set in a very Japanese setting. Like with the family name and being a ninja. But their garb are aesthetics are rooted more in India/Hindu culture. Regardless the main point is she's not black, and other dark skinned people exist.
That's unfortunate. I like ProZD's skits and his voice work, so it's a shame he held such a short-sighted view. It baffles me that he didn't think such a thing would bite him in the ass.
Wendy Lee has often been a great Voice Actress. Voice of Haruhi Suzumiya (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya), Konota (Lucky Star), Kaolla Suu and Tama (Love Hina), Miss Shikiko (Mahoromatic) and Weda (Hare and Guu) amongst many others back in the late 90s early 2000s.
Once again, there's a huge difference between being a voice actor and just being an actor. When your voice acting, you're voicing a fictional character where you can sound anything you want so long as it matches the character. People can go to so many changes in their tone ranging from high pitch squeaky sounds, touch baron-tone sounding men, to even a bratty or a teen going through some kind of emotion. To say only VA's should voice a role that fits their skin color defeats the whole purpose of voice acting jobs, especially in anime's when the majority of the show's characters are mostly Asian. You can be so white like Mayo or Glue Paste but is able to pull off a great Accent to sound like an African. Or go the opposite of being straight up black that despite that you can change your tone to sound like a Samurai or be so Bass Tone that you could have the voice of a Dad regardless of whatever skin.
And it’s funny you should say that, because didn’t he praise Light’s voice actor being white like Light… even though Light is Japanese? Seems to me like that’s bullshit and he doesn’t seem to realize it yet.
Patrick Seitz voiced TJ Combo(a black character) in Killer Instinct 2013, and goddamn, I did not recognize the man at all in that role. If it weren’t for the current climate, I would’ve definitely told him to use that role in any visual reels he made.
You can "cast authentically" and provide opportunities to people that might not normally get them. Example: giving an African VA the chance to voice an African character. You can also let the VA voice the character that suits them, regardless of race/culture. The character displayed on the screen must match the voice (or must not depending on the context) and there will always be the right person for the job if you don't limit the search pool. The world isn't black and white. The one thing we shouldn't do is limit the opportunities of others by deciding conditions for people to work around.
Being certain race can be an advantage for a Va, but it shouldn’t be a large factor in casting. It wasn't unusual to cast based solely off the voice and find out who they were later.
@@lightningpenguin8937 We probably need to go back to that lol. I'd want whoever sounds most like the voice I imagine for a character if I'm directing. I couldn't care less who is doing it, just that it hits my vision of it. The issue doing that now is all the voice editing software and AI being able to manipulate it too well.
@@lightningpenguin8937i agree. Them doing that they are just shooting themselves in the foot by rejecting, ignoring or disregarding VA's with amazing talent. But then again, i'd say let them go ahead and do it and see how difficult it will prove to fill those positions. Us as the viewers can decide by choosing not to watch or play whatever they put out. As for the incredibly talented VA's and those that are starting their career i wish for them the best and hope they find a great place to work in.
Woah, sounds like something a racist would say. Did you type this while wearing a white hood, perchance? Cringe and unmarketable. I'm kidding of course.
Three things I always maintain: 1. Don't insult the money, 2. Never piss on a dead man's grave. 3. Those who are busy looking for racists, may find them in a mirror.
I’ll just paste the comment I left on Rev’s video covering the same subject. C’mon ProZD… I’m aspiring to become a VA myself. Myself being a Mexican, but I’ve been told I have decent vocal range, and with dumb restrictions like that, it stands to ruin the chances that up and comers have to voice characters on Talent.
I just wish people wouldn’t take all of them so seriously. If the voice fits, unless the person is some kind of criminal(not including being on the ‘wrong side’ of politics), it should be fine for them to be the voice.
Maybe this explains the reason why Japanese dubs generally have a higher chance of sounding good compared to English dubs. Because Jp directors are too busy focusing on the more important stuff, the voice rather than everything else. 😁
This will only be true karma when the black VAs get fired from voicing non-black characters. I await the day when Hawks' VA gets replaced or when Phil Lamarr can no longer get work.
I remember how Ramlethal's english VA from Xrd refused to give her english voice in Strive, this was hilarious on some levels, one of them being of course that Ramlethal is a suntanned clone of Aria) Not that I was going to listen to english voices in japanese game.
One of the best voice roles for animation was the original shredder done by the late great James Avery. Race shouldnt matter if the voice fits, it fits , plain & simple.
I can understand this thought for new IPs, trying to go for some level of realism. But not at the cost of limiting cast, and definitely not for existing roles. Chad's voice is iconic for Bleach.
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Is that what Exolution sums up too? *Where* *Fingers* *have* *no* *purpose* *but* *to* *pull* *triggars* And that thing went to living in Merca...
*It* *should* *live* *in* *the* *Xit* *Ole* *it* *start* *and* *complain,* *see* *if* *it* *improves* *anything.* you see these things get Attention by complaining for doing nothing but expect privalage.
If a VA is uncomfortable voicing someone of a different race they should be allowed to decline but that should be their decision and not something that is forced upon them
The thing about racists is, they demand everyone else becomes racist, too.
@wrongthinker843 They aren't clearly not doing that. I think the VAs were clearly focus on talents and see how other voice actors work on other characters based on talent.
If they want other people to voice by race then they should be forced to not speak other races.
Enjoy those years of honing your talent to see your own big mouth ruin it.
@@DigiPen92cあp
I guess acting is no longer a thing anymore and people just basically play themselves.
Thinking that a black, Mexican, or Asian character needs to sound more like their race sounds racist within itself. Like not all people of a specific ethnicity sound the same, everyone can sound different.
Yeah, there was a case a couple years ago where people where complaining about Miruko from MHA voice because "black should sound black" (even though she's a tan japanese but ok) and the voice actress turned out to be black herself
@@naty8646Anaris is nothing more than a hypocrite. She voices characters that are White and Japanese while she's a Black woman. The vast majority of Voice Actors are hypocrites as well especially POC actors as they voiced Japanese, White, and other ethnicities that aren't their's.
@@naty8646 that is goddamned hilarious
@@naty8646see when these jackasses mean "black" they actually mean Ghetto Black. I was shown the difference by one of these assholes while abroad when they butted into my viewing of Bleach on a bus. Their reference image was literally a gang photo from a ghetto. The blatant racism of these shitlings are why they want the meaning diluted as much as possible. They're insane or stupid.
My favourite case is when Ramlethal's VA stepped down for Guilty Gear Strive because a black woman should be in the role instead
In case you don't know, Ramlethan ain't even fucking human, she's a magical clone thingie; and the person she's cloned from is a white woman anyway
But becasue she's dark-skinned, she needs a black VA that totally makes sense.
Best part: Said VA who stepped down most famous role was a japanese character, meaning by her own logic she shoudl've stepped down and let an asian actor in.
A black man voiced Samurai Jack. A woman voiced ten-year old Ben Tennyson.
I miss those days.
But women still do voice boys..since they can actually produce the voice for a kid.
I remember when it's not about race that matters. It's about passion for voicing a character by showing range of emotion to bring it to life.
Not to mention Jimmy Neutron
As a Black/Carribean Latina (Haitian Dominican American), I feel like America is too obsessed with race. Like are we really out here saying that a white character can’t play a black character because they can’t say the N-word? Why would you want them to say it in the first place?💀
It doesn’t matter what the race of the character is as long as VA's voice fits and same applies vice versa.
I'm an American, and you're 100% right. This country has really gone to hell over the last 6 or 7 years, and its gotten to a point that it really doesn't matter who's voted in, because nothing really changes.
I spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars a week trying to keep food in the fridge, nothing being done about that. But these morons will fight for things like this, thinking they're being virtuous.
I'm also Caribbean and living here in NA has blown my mind with how crazy people are over race.
That's like saying every Mexican is part of a Cartel.
@@ZoneHeart00 the problem with this really stems from how many of the state cultures that are tied to this have power over airwaves and in this case whos willing to hire who and what they believe.
It's the fringe imbeciles who are obsessed with this BS where they believe the color of a person's skin should determine what sort of voice roles they can take. Unfortunately, they tend to screech very, very loudly and the squeaky wheel gets the oil. The vast majority of us are sick of these clout-chasing virtue-signaling morons who are actually perpetrating a form of racism in the name of fighting racism.
The whole VA community advocating for segregation has been hilarious
@@MichelangeloVA
Yeah and the vocal minority ruin it for the silent majority
@@MichelangeloVA even if it is a minority, you will still be bombarded everywhere you go for common sense. you rarely find any good people to stick up for you. the large majority would let people burn alive.
Woke crowd pushes for "inclusivity" so hard that they become louder, more visible racists than the people they accuse of racism.
Ah yes the circle of life.
@@MichelangeloVA You get what you tolerate. These people didnt wanna risk their work speaking out and now they get to suffer with it. They had a choice and they decided being silent was easier than rocking the boat and having to find new gigs that aligned with said majority.
@kazecloud2916 No, It's Madness.
so ProZd is fine with white actors getting only white characters but then he complains for only getting asian roles? You know what's that called: HYPOCRISY.
He should have let the role of Ratatosker go to a squirrel by his logic
Search the Japanese meme “Chigyu” and you will understand what kind of person ProZd is.
it's more correct that he is fine with white VAs being barred from competing for non-white parts but doesn't think the same restrictions should apply to white parts.
@@thiagodias5530 ZHUGE LIANG?!?!?!
Dumbassery!
I'm from California, lived here almost my whole life, and this stance will never make sense to me. So many of these VAs are amazing at what they do and I so want to like them, and I can't fathom why they feel the need to pull these ridiculous stunts, supporting a voice-acting philosophy that's literally segregation. And holy fluck, Cho is either unbelievably out of touch or just lying through his teeth. Would someone just say to him, "Hey, didn't you play a Scandinavian squirrel?"
About that question, many did reply to him in X applying his logic back to him like that, next thing they knew they were blocked lol.
Pfft. Of course. S'like we're in a damn cartoon, the way these people behave sometimes.
@@chaosgetsuga6114Nah, man. Cartoons are fun.
Or at least, they were supposed to be… Maybe it is the same nowadays. My apologies, you were right.
@@olivierdubreuil-gagnon2201 Right, but a lotta the time, they’re fun ‘cause they’re stupid. This is stupid in a not fun way. This guy’s acting like a cartoon character that’s always the butt of the joke.
Imagine these people trying to figure out Darth Vader VA. James Earl Jones was black, but the guy in the suit was white, but the suit itself is black, but Anakin is white.
ProZD blocking anyone that points out his hypocrisy is entertaining
Let's see if i can get it
I used to like him. Honestly, he screwed himself over. Good job.
Buddy needs to be blocked out of an all you can eat buffet.
It’s sad to see how far he’s fallen. He used to a cool guy who just loved anime.
Glad reality finally hit these voice actors, never understood why anyone thought this was a good idea
Same.
Because the white folks who bought into it got their virtue signaling fix or were scared shtless of being r a c i s t, and the "non white" folks who bought into it saw it as chance to get roles they were being "hindered" from getting because they think they deserved first dibs based on race. And now in order to not step on toes people are defaulting VAs by race if they're a minority.
In short: cowardice and selfishness. It's why damn near everything is sht these days.
Progressive grfting for social media thumbs ups
The power of bots propping up the opinions of 10 people
Because nowadays for some screwed up reasons the race topic became very trendy. And "famous" people loves to be as trendy as possible, and sadly their brainwashed fans will follow them without a question.
There is a little goblin in me that feeds on poetic justice.
And right now, he is eating well.
I love how if i had never seen ProZD's face, only heard his voice, i would have never guessed his ethnicity. As things were before, he could probably get any deep voice role.
Now he got what he and a ton of ppl like him wanted (segregation), only they thought it would benefit them. I'm not gonna say it's deserved, because a bad thing doesn't become a good thing because ppl selfishly and obnoxiously asked for it... But hopefully lesson learned to view issues from a broad perspective and not just from a "it's only a problem when i'm the one suffering from it" perspective.
ProZD also said something about "any generic asian" being ok, making it clear he considered it racist. He’s completely ignoring that by the same type casting standards any white actor can play any French, German, Norwegian, etc. role despite all these also having their differences like Japanese and Korean...
Yup
Nah man, you don't get it. Your evil racist world views make you not realize that there is infinitely more difference between Vietnamese and Korean than there is between Portuguese and Russian.
That was sarcasm
Its like they forgot the famous line from Carey Elwes in the spoof movie Robinhood Men in Tights, "Unlike some other Robinhoods, I can speak with an English accent."
Agreed people like to casually lump all white people together completely disregarding any nuance for culture, language, and history. But when that is done to Asians it is racist. Very hypocrtical
Because they honestly view "white people" as being a single monolithic culture, and yet at the same time claim "there is no such thing as white culture".
It's like saying if you have a group of six white people, one from the US, one from Germany, one from Sweden, one from Russia, one from France, and one from the UK, that there would be "no diversity, they're all the same".
Back when no one gave crap at Phil Lamar for voicing Samurai Jack, a Japanese character and it's all about voice acting talents than representation.
He's also Hemies in Futurama, I don't think he's Jamaican.
He’s also the Earth King from Avatar the Last Air Bender…
Well ... They wouldn't make a fuss over it because he is black, and we all know only whites have guilt (sarcasm)
Well now he can only play black men with no accents lol enjoy
@@colinayre2109Bumi right? Or was it some other earth king?
ProZD talked so much, that even he just wants it to not exist. The man is so deeply buried by his boneless sense of "humour", I low-key waited for this
I feel bad for Anairis she’s constantly catching strays because these companies want to use her as a token
As a Mexican, to jamleson there literally nothing wrong being white and doing the voice of a Mexican character like chad. Like the person said on reddit, you can be anything and do the voice for any character as long as your voice matches the character
Hero referred to his actions as HOLLOW. I see what he did.
Pure and simple. Well said.
Yeah it's like they forget the word ACTING like ACTING a CHARACTER
It's not like white MEXICANs dont exist either. Mexican is a citizenship not an ethnicity
Absolutely correct! If a VA doesn't want to voice a specific character, then so be it. But his reasoning for it was pure virtue signaling. He had no issue voicing Chad for all those years and collecting a paycheck. I wonder if he gave all his earnings to helping VA's of color. I'm sure he didn't! ;)
At least in the Japanese voice acting entertainment, they were hired for their talents and credentials of previous voice roles that they've played than "muh representation".
in latin america is similar
i think
Not just in voice acting. I know of Beverly, she is a Filipina but she sings Japanese songs.
In Germany its the same. Nobody cares what colour the VA's skin has.
The real argument should be whether Industry Veterans should always get priority over new VAs when picking voice roles in upcoming titles. More people should be able to break into the industry especially as studios try to break free from union work due to the strikes and figuring out ways to cost balance.
Then wait for the cries of sexism and objectification…
Here's hoping SungWo looked at it and went, "Dear God... what have I done?".
New York voice actors can act very well
I remember I got selected for this Moon Knight Audiobook I auditioned in and one of the characters happens to be Raoul Bushman, which happens to be of African descent (West/Central Africa, I’m not sure). Surprisingly, I got cast. And the director praised me for my performance, even though I’m not of African decent. It’s because I call pull off the accent well. And I keep thinking the whole point of voice-acting focuses on how well you use the voice, NOT based on the skin color.
good for you dude
That's what is called "acting". You aren't being paid for your ethnicity, but for how well you can act the roles of the characters. It amazes me how such a basic concept could be forgotten just for woke brownie points.
Also, congratulations for getting the role!
Congrats. And yeah its funny that the people who love to go around acting like they hate racism the most tend to be the ones with the most racist ideas.
Congrats dude!
I only voiced in small local indie projects so far so i've luckily never had to deal with the racist industry that much but some of the people i talked to have had roles stolen from them based on their skin color. Ironically enough, most of them werent even white. Most of them were asian, turkish or arabs. They lost the roles simply because they werent mexican, white, black or indian enough. It really sucks how segregation in the name of diversity seems to be all the rage again. Not just in voice acting but seemingly everywhere segregating people based on their gender, sexuality or race gets painted as something good. They started doing taxpayer funded "POC only" summer camps in my country about a year ago. So imagine you have a kid and your kid wants to go to summer camp with his friends. But your kid isnt allowed to go because his skin is too bright. Thats segregation by definition and i believe that whoever came up with this shit is just as racist as those who came up with the Jim crow laws, they just cant make it as obvious yet
Like with Chad from Bleach. I am not really expecting him to have an accent because if I remember correctly, he basically grew up in Japan. So I can kind of expect him to be fluent in Japanese and have little to no accent. Although since he is a pretty large guy, I kind of expect him to have a deep voice. I'm hispanic and the only time I use spanish is with older family members. Pretty sure my english has no accent because I grew up learning to use english.
Now with foreign exchange students, I would appreciate if dubbing went the extra mile and have them have some sort of accent.
Either way I mostly watch subs nowadays and so this current stuff doesn't really affect me.
I saw an interview with Cree Summer, and she said one of the things she likes about voice acting is that she has more role opportunities, and is not limited to just playing the one black girl.
Her favorite character is a sex addiction named Foxy Love from the very first animated reality show Drawn Together.
Don't watch it. The show isn't for everyone
Based Cree
@@TheRockK95 Or do watch it, if you want. It's a funny show, if someone watches it and doesn't like it they can just stop. Why tell them not to watch it at all? Also, what does any of this have to do with OP's comment?
@@TheRockK95Sounds based. Thanks for the recommendation.
Big Respect to Cree Summer.
The whole racial politics in the EN VA community right now is exactly why most of my friends who usually watched dubbed is now preferring subbed
None of those who advocated for this sort of thing thought it would apply to them, too. They only thought it would get their competition out of the way, not also disqualify them, too.
Left in the nutshell
"Reality can be cruel, Jack." - Monsoon from Metal Gear Revengeance
Nice quote from an great game
They are making the mother of all omelets
@@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuffHow about a nice quote from your game too?
@@drysoup3017“Word of advice: Don’t break the law. Hmm, is there anything else? Oh, yeah…. Seriously, don’t break the law.”
And I'm very in touch with my inner child
So basically, if you want to be a VA, do everything remotely and never let them see your face, or know your real name.
Michael jackson was right all along-
It doesn't work like that
@@ghost656metal8 oh my god its almost like they're trying to point out how STUPID THIS IS
But then they'll just assume your race by the sound of your voice, and probably get it wrong lmao. Just look at the Mirko "black should sound black" thing.
As someone who wants to get into voice acting, I really hope this sort of thinking doesn’t overtake the industry. I don’t want to be stuck with certain role just because I “look the part”.
This reminds me of when Michelle Rojas basically brow beat a fellow VA into giving up a role as she wasn't the same race as the character. Now people like her, Rial and Marchi are stuggling to get roles and when they do they don't deviant from the script like they use too.
This drama also makes you appreciate VA legends like Mel Blanc even more for what he did back in the day with the massive amount of characters he voiced of all different backgrounds.
Honestly feels like several of these expected to get an unfair advantage if this goes through.
Prozd for example straight up said he expected to still get white rolls. In other words, white voice actors only get to voice white characters while he gets to voice whoever ge wants. Thereby artificially cutting down competition for rolls as he can apply for whatever he wants while rivals are limited...
How's that working out for him now? 🤣
Exactly. It's about putting others down so there's less competition while he does what he wants. It's not even about having a terrible view about "acting authentically" or whatever. It's just to give himself more roles with less work
90% of global activism is just an excuse that groups of two-faced people have created to scam useful idiots.
@grawman67
And now, he'll get LESS work because of own stupidity and arrogance.
no its about being anti wyite@@grawman67
They only have themselves to blame.
Exactly, I don't feel bad for them in the slightest.
@@JustSomeHeeHoI felt sorry for Mike Henry who was forced out of the role of Cleveland on FAMILY GUY. While the actor who replaced him does a spot-on Cleveland (to me), Henry originated the role and played him for years, including during the short-lived spinoff.
So basically, when asked if he'll only VA for his race, dude just goes "Nah, I just don't want my voice being associated with black people"? Man, people have been blacklisted for less.
Eng VA's: "We shouldn't voice characters that are not the same race as us!"
Monkey paw finger curls inward...
It's so funny how people think brown skin anime characters are black just because their skin is brown not to mention how hypocritical these va's are when stepping down voicing a colored character but will still continue to voice japanese one's SMFH
These people don't leave their homes and probably don't know the territory and population of their own country. Much less that of other countries.
They are mentally children who superficially understand the world.
The black grift is a common trend of white apologists
When I see brown skin in anime my first thoughts are "are they from the islands or the coastline in Japan?".
@@ssjwes Or even indonesian
@@azmanabdula Or India, or any S.E.A. country.
ProZd and people like him in the VA community, deserve this BS.
Stepping down or not auditioning for, roles based on ethnicity is racist, by their terminology and according to their rules.
Wait why ProZD?
He wanted to try for characters that weren't just Asians
@@dizzyheadsHe asked for this
He basically stated that whites should voice white characters, black should voice black characters...etc...
Now he tried auditioning to voice characters that are "white"... He was denied...
See the irony...
he got what he deserved XD
@@dizzyheads then maybe he shouldn't be advocating against white people trying for characters that aren't white.
The funny part about Yoruichi is she isn't even black. She's a tan Japanese woman. There are darker skinned Japanese, you know.
The Chad VA situation is the most obvious example self-serving "altruism". Simply put, there aren't that many dark-skinned characters in anime, so relinquishing those roles doesn't really hurt one's ability to find work. But to stop voicing Japanese characters? Aka 98% of all anime characters? That means effectively kneecapping your career. Nobody in their right mind would agree to that.
I'll just say it out loud:
The reason this debate even exists is because Americans are so obsessed with race that they think people of a different ethnicity are inherently different types of poeple; it's not about culture or the people you grew up with; your ethnic backgound is the most important thing that defines how you act and that includes how you sound like
Just look at how often black poeple are called 'not acutally black' cause they don't use AAVE, or people who criticize parents who adopt children of a different race casue 'the kid won't grow up with it's people'
It's a simple nature vs nurture thing; and the US in general seems to believe that nature (in their view, race) is what acutally matters.
Don't lump all of us in with those fuckwads. I wouldn't even say they're the majority, the problem is that they were all given authority to force their will onto any employment body.
It's been typically Americans that advocate "against" racism the loudest too, yet they are the most racist bunch. The irony and hypocrisy is ridiculously thick.
😭😭 I swear not all of us are like that.
Always remember that whenever you hear folks accusing Trump & his supporters of being racist, it's precisely because most of us oppose these kinds of things! These ideologues truly see good as evil and evil as good... smh
I mean, that's what happens when you let the people who founded the KKK and the Confederacy take over the Civil Rights movement...
Kevin Michael Richardson is one of my favorite VAs. He's played black characters, white characters, Martians, monsters and tons of other roles. He's a black man irl, and I think if he was limited to roles that match his skin tone, they would've robbed everyone of his awesome voice
Doesn't he play Kratos in GoW 4 and 5?
@@Servellionno that's Chris Judge
He was also the Joker. The Joker. A man who was white before he was pasty white.
And I absolutely loved him in the role.
@@calamityknyte That was The Batman from around 2005, right? A very underrated, often forgotten show.
@@themightycongueror8383 Yep. With the Red Bane and the fight with Dracula
We are moving backward under the banner that is "progress"
ProZD, the guy that can do 2 kind of acting.
voice acting, and acting like a fool.
Lmao, this stupid notion that characters should only be voice by their own race would mean that pretty much every dubbing studio should mostly hire Asian VAs since most anime characters are Asian (Japanese) - not white.
so where i can find elf waifu VA in real life... lmao
So I suppose we'll have to wait a few decades for real Spacians to voice like 75% of the cast of the Witch from Mercury?
Exactly, until we remember there were articles in the past where these same morons thing all anime characters are white, or are drawn white or whatever. So they won’t hire any Asians
Robot character must only be voiced by AI. which is a lot more feasible than finding a Tiefling to voice a tiefling character, or a Dragon to voice a talking Dragon. 🤣🤣
Thats what I said! Like even the "white" characters are canonically Japanese unless stated otherwise
Does that mean Nancy Cartwright should be fired from the Simpsons and Bart be voiced by a male VA? 🤣
Like Hero or someone else said, this entire rhetoric is f**king ridiculous and should be done akin to The Voice.
everyone should be fired for not being as yellow as the simpsons characters 🤣
in my country marge is dubbed by a dude and even got praise for his good voice acting
should he be kicked off from his role as well?
We should only have people with jaundice voicing the Simpsons
Oh no of course not. A woman voicing a male character is "StUnNiNg AnD bRaVe!!!1!"
They already got rid of Apu, his family and recast Carl's VA so they just might.
Only in the west...
Imagine that in the original dub, nearly all of the VA are japanese despite portraying characters of different ethnicity and race. Yet, their projection of the characters are still spot on captivating.
So why the hell does it matter now to westerners...?
This is why I'd always prefer original japanese dub and read subs coz the VA, regardless of race and color are able to project the characters they are voicing all because of talent and passion to their craft.
The japanese professionalism in VA are just top notch.
To the western VA... Good luck 😂
On one hand I think voice actors should be chosen based on how close they sound to the characters, but on the other hand since we can no longer go backwards I look forward to seeing anime with English dubs done by English speaking voice actors in a Japanese dubbing studio.
This is what the political correct audience wanted and now these people shall reap what they sow.
they r. that modern audience😂
@@npcimknot958 Indeed they are. The
"modern audience" as we like to call it, created this monster that these voice actors have to deal with. They were so afraid of getting canceled that they lost their balls in the process.
@@paullangland6877
You forgot the females losing their ovaries in the process as well
@@neilisawesome2333 no no, the "women" lost their balls too.
@@neilisawesome2333 True but I was worried that UA-cam would censor such a comment. So I used Balls as the catch-all phrase in this case.
Voice acting used to be the most inclusive part of the entertainment industry, anyone could play any part, anyone could play any race, age, sex, or non human of any kind.
Keyword: USED to be, then the whole woke BS starting to take root in it and now its all screwed up like everything else is.
@@scyris99 it wasn't even the woke BS that did it, it was actually when laci green started to be an actual reasonable person and got bombed off the Internet, then it was apparent the extremism was more profitable than being center or level headed and everything has just become more polarized every year, anti woke stuff has ruined just as much as woke stuff
@@scyris99 Starting trouble where there was none
Yeah right. Every single dub actor in the 2000s was white. You just don't think anyone with different skin color should voice roles, Mr Kkk
@@lynt357 ....The guy who voiced Samurai Jack would like a word...
Going for gold on the mental gymnastics; difficult to stick that landing.
Oh look, how the turns have tabled.
And not even a violin shed a tear for them.
Imagine viewing yourself so superior to others that you claim yourself to be racist to others by voicing a fictional character based on skin color only for you to take back what you say when you get what you “really” want
The woke never actually cared about a social justice cause, only about making themselves look good or profiting off of it. With WEF investment firms like Blackrock and Vanguard pushing those ESG/DEI scores, the latter is more likely.
its about being anti wyite@@thatsoab2545
Irony
So, in other words, your typical leftist.
Phil Lamarr played an Eastern/Northern European Boy, a Japanese Samurai. Cree Summer plays a white girl. Tara Strong plays an Asian Monk. No one cared at all until recently.
Phil Lamarr, unfortunately, also supports this weird, discriminatory rhetoric and basically told anyone pointing out his hypocrisy due to playing Samurai Jack to shut up.
I do anime audios and I voice some Japanese anime characters. And I’m half Latin American!
It isn’t racist! It’s called acting!!!
Locking responses is certainly /a/ Twitter feature.
As I always say, race should not matter when VOICING a character because you're not seeing the VA themselves only hearing the voice. Plus, at this rate, if we only follow the logic of this character could only be a voice from this race because they are the same race, then we will hardly get any new anime from Japan as most of their animes take place in a Japanese setting with Japanese citizens, meaning by their logic, only the English speaking Japanese could voice them.
My stance is, if the voice fits well for the character, then it should be fine as it is only the voice you are hearing, not seeing the VA themselves.
This is quite strange to me that the "woke" VAs advocate for "authenticity" in voice acting reflecting the race of the character to their actors. What ever happened to quality of character instead of the color of one's skin or the shape of one's eyes? Because this sounds to me skill isn't being advocated here but one's race. It sounds a lot like the "polite racism" that MLK warned about long ago and the left is achieving exactly that in a fit of irony fighting against said racism.
I really find it hard to understand what lead them to think this way.
@@luisiana1121 They see modern Hollywood as something they should copy to be more "diverse" and "inclusive" even though you don't even see the VAs
@@luisiana1121honestly i can understand why they think this way. Not that i condone it but people in america still grow up in race-based communities so they have what is essentially a real life twitter bubble for their entire childhood and early adulthood. If you've ever followed any weird twitter bubbles, you know that isolated bubbles often form extremist views that are almost completely unrelated to the real world.
So i dont find it hard to believe that somebody who grew up in a black or mexican neighborhood thinks that all white people are oppressors who need to be fought against by any means possible. Thats ofc wrong, i think that racism no matter by who and no matter who its directed at is just fucking awful.
But lets be real youre not getting this out of people by shaming them on social media. The only way to fix this is by somehow creating diverse neighborhoods so everybody eventually realizes that we're all just people. I grew up in a very diverse neighborhood and to me racism never made any sense until i was like 12 because in my world your skin color always was as unimportant as your hair color of your eye color. At most we joked about it a bit with friends just like how you would make jokes about hair color.
@@cantinadudes It's strange to me because I grew up what is essentially a homogeneous environment that is the Philippines. One would expect that being in such an environment that surrounded by the same type of people I'd have this bad impression of people who are different. But I don't since I grew up consuming media like cartoons, anime and video games where it's surrounded by different people of different backgrounds and since it's electronic media it's easy to access through the internet or even TV. A lot more here when people are offered free phones and being on a continent that is essentially a blender filled with all kinds of cultures turning into this mega cultural smoothie but people here are a lot more divided despite that.
As of lately I've seen being racist to white people being normal which I see as unacceptable and people who are obsessed being in "diverse" environments tell me that I'm oppressed...somehow and that white people are horrible and the other side, in their eyes, blacks and other minorities are "good" including the CCP even.
I just think it's strange that despite being in a hotpot of different cultures in the UNITED States of America, they are a lot more divided by their own actions no less. It's a sad spectacle tbh
I think that Japan should just say f*** it and just do everything in house. No more dubs and sub everything.
Or they can dub it themselves.
Yes, So much yes.
that's a terrible idea, not I'm trying to look at subtitles for the anime i watch,
@@popjack-ir2zi Great idea
@@popjack-ir2ziits a good idea, since Japan anime main revenue always from local market
Anime releasing a dub wont increases their profits lmao only stupid exposure
I remember that as a CA denizen. I was appalled that anyone would even suggest voting out the discrimination law. I showed it to one of my 'woke' friends WITHOUT mentioning it was the Democrats that want it and of course, she was furious. But once I mention it was the Dems that wanted to vote it out, she went silent.
The reaping and sowing has been amazing kekw
ProZD gets what he deserves. He's a terrible person all around.
And he's KickVic.
What did ProZD do?
@@hangingkind4619he advocated for the change and now he's suffering the consequences of his actions.
Yeah, SungWon is commonly espousing a lot of really silly things in social media. I eventually had to stop following him. A lot of his takes were intentionally and willfully applied to only certain people. It's like he has no self-awareness
@@Saito64thkarma
This is exactly what he wanted, and instead of accepting that it all backfired on him, he shifted the goal post to make the problem about something else, than acted like nothing happened when he couldn't weasel out of responsibility. I don't feel bad for him.
I think what he wanted was for white guys to be stuck voicing white guys while he can voice whoever he wants.
Problem is that when animation projects get criticism for not hiring the "right" people for the "right" roles the "right" people will only get the "right" roles.
Only live action actors should look like their characters.
I fucking feel this i do
I do commercial VOs and very small character gigs and i got a 4 paragraph email saying how i should not read the roles for the characters that are out of my ethnicity
Diane was so disconnected from her Vietnamese roots, her voice actress makes sense. Obviously someone who was born and raised in the USA was gonna sound US-American, do these people think accents are genetic or something? And heck, within the context of the show, her parents were so naturalized that they were Bostonites first, Vietnamese second
Just look at the Chinese people raised in Jamaica. They speak just like any other Jamaican.
These people care more about money and fame than about linguistic facts or biology.
@@tovarishcheleonora8542 Look at the 'I can do anything a man can' crowd for how bad they fail at biology. Which is literally the same crowd that is race obsessed.
Woke people are all the same people really.
There’s a lot of great EN VAs out there, and then there’s these ones which make them all look stupid.
Yep.
yeah, it's sad that the bad overshadow the good
Exactly. You have all types everywhere
Agreed fellow bro’s
You all say you watch the dub, but don't lie. You're all sub watchers, you just don't want minorities to be voicing anime.
yo thats a really great point at the end. if even californians cant get on board bc your too extreme thats nuts. californians are already extreme and this is too extreme for them. lol
its almost like they thought: `we have our backlog of popular roles, so it wont affect us and make it harder for the new blood, aka competition to get roles, leaving more options for us`
i remember ProzD saying that Voice Acting is acting, not just making your voice deeper or higher to fit the character. so....why are these actors stepping down from the role when they could just learn the culture of the character from another person of that race? it's not live action where the physical appearance is crucial, you are acting through voice. if they talk about cultural authenticity, people can cook authentic cuisine from a different race and it's accepted. VAs stepping down from the roles just made unnecessary problems
I think he backed it, expecting the change to benefit him, not realizing how many companies would just say, "We want the prolific voice actors and the actors themselves are patrolling race, so let's make our characters white so we can hire them." That and not understanding how character design usually indicates target audience as well. If you're going for the majority of people in the US, most of your characters are going to be white because that's what the majority of the US population is right now. If I'm targeting the black population with my show, most of my characters would be black. It's pretty simple logic, but not something people think about unless they are in that position.
As much as I hate to say it, but these kinds of English VAs don't deserve to become one tbh.
You're completely correct. We must gatekeep the bad people out of our fandom. If we don't, they will destroy everything.
as a double toasted fan i wasnt expecting them to show up here, but im pleasantly surprised.
Bro goku's VA from japan is literally an elder woman, she ain't a male saiyan with room temperature IQ and the voice acting is great.
Not forget most Main character boys like Ash/Naruto are all played by JP Woman
@@starblossom05 By the way talking about naruto, did you know that Mr. Beast is voiced by Naruto's VA on the japanese audio track?
Even Lan Hikari from MegaMan battle network also voiced by japanese woman 😂
They only have themselves to blame, we kept saying this would backfire on them.
When you sow vile seeds you don't get to complain they're bearing bitter fruit.
4:05 did you just phase into the cabinet hei?!?!
They can race swap characters in live adaptations,but race of the voice actor needs to be similar to the fictional character? 😂😂😂😂
This is what they wanted, representation in the form of racism. But they didn't see it coming because not one of these actors could think past their own noses. They didn't do the math or show their work. They just squawk to the message like parrots.
Fun fact: Yoruichi isn't even black. She's meant to be Indian. There are black characters in bleach men and women, and Yoruichi doesn't share a single feature with any of them. She's as black as Piccolo from DBZ.
And by Yoruichi being Indian; then she should be voiced by let’s say; Kody Kavita or Anjali Kupaneni (sorry if I mispelled either), not Anairis Quinones (Black Latina). But in reality, Wendee Lee shouldnt have been replaced.
Now the whole thing felt like Disney’s Snow White that brazenly attempted diversity but didnt hired the correct people for the Seven dwarves; thereby depriving the actual minority that should have gotten the opportunity. Tsk… Panderverse is real. Woke is shit.
@@grhtheblahaj4248Oh, I 100% agree. Wendy Lee is the voice I hear when I see Yoruichi, and it was totally a shitty move of faux virtue that means nothing and accomplished less. One of my favorite VAs in media is Phil LaMarr, a black guy who voiced a ton of iconic characters of my childhood from Static shock to Samurai Jack. I knew it was him but never even thought about it, let alone thaught it was weird. Let good VAs voice whoever, and let the shitty ones find a new career path.
...Where did you get the "She is supposed to be Indian" tho bcs I believe Kubo never really specified her race? I agree with you that she isn't black, but I wouldn't pin her as Indian just bcs she's brown, not pale like a stereotypical Japanese either bcs dark skinned Japanese ppl do exist IRL tho, esp those in rural areas who work a lot in fields and ppl in Okinawa which is located more tropically, so she might just be drawn based on them, who knows? Or maybe Kubo just thought of giving her a brown skin bcs it looks cool, and everyone was freaking out over her slight difference in color palette over nothing... IMO, unless author clearly specify it, it's stupid to pin a race to any fictional character just bcs "she doesn't look the same as her stereotype so must be different" tho...
@@J-D-S It wasn't ever specified in the manga, that would be really weird for Kubo to say anything about it. I assume he knew his readers have eyes. It's more about the design of her and the great family she's from. Of course there's a lot of Japanese in the design as well, coming from a Japanese author, and being set in a very Japanese setting. Like with the family name and being a ninja. But their garb are aesthetics are rooted more in India/Hindu culture. Regardless the main point is she's not black, and other dark skinned people exist.
Yoruichi just a tan jap...
That's unfortunate.
I like ProZD's skits and his voice work, so it's a shame he held such a short-sighted view. It baffles me that he didn't think such a thing would bite him in the ass.
He traded in his common sense for more obesity.
prozd deserves it.
Wendy Lee has often been a great Voice Actress.
Voice of Haruhi Suzumiya (Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya), Konota (Lucky Star), Kaolla Suu and Tama (Love Hina), Miss Shikiko (Mahoromatic) and Weda (Hare and Guu) amongst many others back in the late 90s early 2000s.
Once again, there's a huge difference between being a voice actor and just being an actor. When your voice acting, you're voicing a fictional character where you can sound anything you want so long as it matches the character. People can go to so many changes in their tone ranging from high pitch squeaky sounds, touch baron-tone sounding men, to even a bratty or a teen going through some kind of emotion. To say only VA's should voice a role that fits their skin color defeats the whole purpose of voice acting jobs, especially in anime's when the majority of the show's characters are mostly Asian.
You can be so white like Mayo or Glue Paste but is able to pull off a great Accent to sound like an African. Or go the opposite of being straight up black that despite that you can change your tone to sound like a Samurai or be so Bass Tone that you could have the voice of a Dad regardless of whatever skin.
I take it you refer to the voice of Samurai Jack.
And it’s funny you should say that, because didn’t he praise Light’s voice actor being white like Light… even though Light is Japanese? Seems to me like that’s bullshit and he doesn’t seem to realize it yet.
Patrick Seitz voiced TJ Combo(a black character) in Killer Instinct 2013, and goddamn, I did not recognize the man at all in that role. If it weren’t for the current climate, I would’ve definitely told him to use that role in any visual reels he made.
Man the hero hei lore goes really deep
Life is like a pendulum. It swings one way and, eventually, it's gonna swing back.
You cast someone because they capture the essence of the character.
Correct. It's almost like constructing personalities on the fly, hence acting.
You can "cast authentically" and provide opportunities to people that might not normally get them. Example: giving an African VA the chance to voice an African character.
You can also let the VA voice the character that suits them, regardless of race/culture. The character displayed on the screen must match the voice (or must not depending on the context) and there will always be the right person for the job if you don't limit the search pool.
The world isn't black and white. The one thing we shouldn't do is limit the opportunities of others by deciding conditions for people to work around.
Being certain race can be an advantage for a Va, but it shouldn’t be a large factor in casting. It wasn't unusual to cast based solely off the voice and find out who they were later.
@@lightningpenguin8937 We probably need to go back to that lol. I'd want whoever sounds most like the voice I imagine for a character if I'm directing. I couldn't care less who is doing it, just that it hits my vision of it. The issue doing that now is all the voice editing software and AI being able to manipulate it too well.
@@lightningpenguin8937i agree. Them doing that they are just shooting themselves in the foot by rejecting, ignoring or disregarding VA's with amazing talent. But then again, i'd say let them go ahead and do it and see how difficult it will prove to fill those positions. Us as the viewers can decide by choosing not to watch or play whatever they put out.
As for the incredibly talented VA's and those that are starting their career i wish for them the best and hope they find a great place to work in.
Woah, sounds like something a racist would say. Did you type this while wearing a white hood, perchance? Cringe and unmarketable. I'm kidding of course.
Three things I always maintain:
1. Don't insult the money,
2. Never piss on a dead man's grave.
3. Those who are busy looking for racists, may find them in a mirror.
So your 1. Rule is to shill that's good to know
@@kevo300 If that is your take, then that saids more about you than it does him. He just said he isnt gonna insult the one that makes them the money.
4. Never place your rear end on a pirate’s face.
I’ll just paste the comment I left on Rev’s video covering the same subject.
C’mon ProZD…
I’m aspiring to become a VA myself. Myself being a Mexican, but I’ve been told I have decent vocal range, and with dumb restrictions like that, it stands to ruin the chances that up and comers have to voice characters on Talent.
They literally did it with Geras in MK1 who was voiced by David B Mitchell in MK11 but now voiced Phil Lamar
I just wish people wouldn’t take all of them so seriously. If the voice fits, unless the person is some kind of criminal(not including being on the ‘wrong side’ of politics), it should be fine for them to be the voice.
@joseromero7728
And possibly Reuben Langdon
I don't because i priate all my media,
I not paying with my money, just my time
Remember when Beau Billingslea voiced Jet Black from Cowboy Bebop?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I remember.
Maybe this explains the reason why Japanese dubs generally have a higher chance of sounding good compared to English dubs. Because Jp directors are too busy focusing on the more important stuff, the voice rather than everything else. 😁
Anytime someone locks their responses they've already lost the argument
This will only be true karma when the black VAs get fired from voicing non-black characters. I await the day when Hawks' VA gets replaced or when Phil Lamarr can no longer get work.
*NOOOOOoooooo* Not Xeno!!!!!
@@Saltedroastedcaramel Yes Xeno! He was part of the whole "stay in you lane" BS when it came to voice acting.
@@Ability-King-KK God Damn it! I can't I have one va to simp over that's not ideologue???
@@Ability-King-KKthats disappointing to hear. I really liked him. Still, he is good at his job. :/
The entire English dubbing industry can collapse for what they did to Vic.
It's already collapsing because they take the shortcut, said shortcut is a fucking wobbly bridge with no supports, and it's wooden and old
@@neilisawesome2333and they’re also burning the bridge while crossing it
@@paperluigi6132 The whole "you can only voice characters that are the same race as you" mentality is biting them in the ass.
With AI their jobs done and their days are numbered.
I remember how Ramlethal's english VA from Xrd refused to give her english voice in Strive, this was hilarious on some levels, one of them being of course that Ramlethal is a suntanned clone of Aria) Not that I was going to listen to english voices in japanese game.
Well well well... looks like the consequences of their own actions have come to bite them in the butt..
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of their actions.
ProZD: *exists*
Everyone: "I don't even know who you are."
Plus, he's fat.
This why people should think twice before making choices.
One of the best voice roles for animation was the original shredder done by the late great James Avery. Race shouldnt matter if the voice fits, it fits , plain & simple.
Its sad that are really nice people in the english dub voice actors, its sad that bad overshadow the good
I call it karma.
I can understand this thought for new IPs, trying to go for some level of realism. But not at the cost of limiting cast, and definitely not for existing roles. Chad's voice is iconic for Bleach.
"I want this and i want it now!!"
*gets what they asked for
"Wait, i don't think i want this actually"