Yes, the trolls go back to old Scandinavia. Our folklore has tales about trolls in the dark forests, and goblins, elves, dwarfs and so on. Tolkien if fact got all this from old Scandinavian lore, aka middle earth that is midgård in Swedish. And i think we even have some orcs in our folklore aswell
@@galenbjorn443 Turns out orc came from the word "Orcneas" which means demon and dates back to Beowulf. Pretty cool how he got most of his inspiration from myths and shaped them into one of the greatest fantasy stories ever written.
Adam Tyrrell Even if he doesn’t have a source it seems plausible, Tolkien was never comfortable with the idea that all orcs were evil and beyond redemption.
I highly doubt it, the Silmarils were made by Feanor from some unknown substance harder even than diamond named silima and were said to be unbreakable and the Arkenstone was simply a large white gem cut and fashioned by the Dwarves (not to mention it was mined by them from under the Lonely Mountain). We know that the Silmarils had great power in them, shone brightly and their fate is known one was thrown into the sea, the second is in keeping of Earendil and the third was thrown by Maedhros into the firey chasm (in Beleriand when the destruction caused by rampaging armies, Host of Valinor and Morgoth's forces in War of Wrath had this westernmost portion of continent destroyed and ultimately drowned by sea). It's highly unlikely that Silmaril would travel under the earth hundreds of miles east to Erebor :) :) :). Arkenstone is marvellous gem but 'ordinary' one.
+Dony Christie You can google it, but anyways he was the one that slayed the biggest dragon in middle earth and he was an elf. Frodo also has "the light of eärendil" that he uses against Shelob in Return of the King.
Orcs came first. Morgoth bred orcs by corrupting elves (Silmarillion). Goblins were smaller orcs that developed from orcs who infested the mountains. They grew smaller to accommodate their life in the cramped tunnels (first described as the primary species in The Hobbit with Orcs described as bigger, stronger goblins). Sauron bred the Uruks which were larger and stronger versions of orcs with black, rather than green or gray skins. They were still susceptible to sunlight's detrimental effects. The Uruk-Hai were Sauroman's creation, crossed with men using foul sorceries, these tall, swart, slant-eyed orc kin were able to run in daylight without suffering the weakness inflicted on other orcs. Essentially, Uruk-hai were half uruks, half men.
+sandorsbox see that's not necessarily true because Uruk-hai, the largest in stature of any orc, were referred to as Goblins at one point in the Lord of The Rings
The term orc was defined as a large type of goblin in the hobbit. Goblin is the actual race per the hobbit, but orcs were more prevalent in LotR. Uruks are described as bigger with a more upright posture than the stooping orcs but still not find of sunlight (Grishnakh). The uruk-hai were Specifically cooked up by sauroman and were not bothered by sunlight at all. Goblin is a catchall term for the race, but more specifically refers those of shorter stature.
There are 2 Gothmogs, 1 being the captain of the Balrogs, the other being the leader of Minas Morgul and commander of the army that attacked Minas tirith.
Well, he's not described to be an Orc (the movies made him into one though). In LotR, his name is only used once in LotR as the Lieutenant of Minas Morgul, when he send reinforcements from Osgilliath to the Pelennor after the Witch-King died. His race isn't known, but I suspect him to be a Black Numenorean like the Mouth of Sauron instead of an Orc.
A bit late but on the whole *orcs vs goblins* thing...its called *"interchangeable terms"!!* Seriously it's like no one has ever heard of such a alien concept. Sorry it just bothers me that people are still dedating this.
Uruk where a secret breed, saron keept secrect till the last battle against minas tirith. Saruman never had them under his command. instead he to interbreed common orks with the men from dunland to make them less vulnerable against sunlight. the only known halforks.
Nope, Uruks first appeared on an assault on Osgilliath, many centuries before the War of the Ring. Saruman did have Uruks under his command too. In Unfinished Tales we see Tolkien consistently using the term "Uruks" while talking about Saruman's forces. And he also distinguished them from Orc-men, as he called them in that chapter. So Half-orcs and Uruks are also not the same, and neither are Half-orcs and Uruk-hai.
nope, remember the general of the orc force that sieged Minas Tirith ? The one that ordered his soldiers to stand their ground and not dodge the incoming catapult shots, but moved himself? That was Gothmog. He was the governor of Minas Morgul aswell
Lieutenant of Minas Morgul, in the Witch-King's absence. Also, his race is unknown, so may be an Orc, but I think he's more likely to be a Black Numenorean.
so, goblins and orcs are the same things? cause in the game battle for Middle Earth 2 they goblins were a separate race and in the first movie there wereld goblins in Moria right?
It makes sense to me that the three Trolls encountered in the Hobbit would be Olag-Hai (or something similar) due to their obviously superior intellect. However, the Olag-Hair were supposed to be resistant to sunlight while the Trolls in the Hobbit were straight up turned to stone by it. How does that work?
Non-Canon sources have names and origins for the Nazgul: Lord: Murazor, a Numenorean Prince, self-proclaimed King of Umbar 2nd: Khamul, King of the Womaw Easterlings in the Farthest East 3rd:Dwar the Dog-Lord of Waw(Easterling) in the Farthest East 4th:Ji Indur Dawndeath, King and usurper of Koronande(Far Harad) in the Utter South 5th:Akorakhil the Blind Sorcerer, Numenorean King of An-Balukkhor in Far Harad 6th:Hoarmurath the Ice-King, King of the Urdar(Descendents of the First Age Easterlings in the far north) 7th:Adunaphel the Quiet, Numenorean King of Vamag, a Near Harad realm 8th:Ren the Unclean, Fire-King from Chey Sart(Easterling) 9th:Uvatha the Horseman, Ioriag Lord from Khand
+Master Duncan The Witch King is to Sauron as Sauron was to Morgoth, when Morgoth was at his peak; his highest servant who is delegated great power, but merely a servant.
Jokester The Mighty They didn't lose every battle, they just lost the ones that mattered. In their defense, though, the Uruk-hai of Isengard nearly defeated Rohan, and all the heroes, if it wasn't for Gandalf showing up at the last second.
When the Uruks first appeared out of Mordor in the days of Ruling Steward Denethor I, they took over Ithilien and captured and destroyed Osgiliath in one quick offensive against armies of Gondor, it required a brilliant commander and great warrior Steward Boromir I (not to confuse with the Boromir of the Fellowship, he was his namesake :)) to push them back. Boromir the I was so skilled battle commander that even Witch-king considered him a threat and so he had him as top priority target (Boromir I received a 'morgul wound' which crippled him with pain and shortened his life, he died several years later). Uruks are described as "race of black Orcs of great strength" and indeed they are taller, tougher and more skilled than your average, run-of-the-mill mountain Orcs. Since they were bred Uruks of Mordor become footsoldiers though some of them also were trained for special purposes as elite troops (and of course they were given best toys, meaning better made gear, among their troops were "heavy-armed Uruks of Barad-dur". But even those ordinary Goblins/Mountain Orcs were dangerous, they often made successful raids taking spoils and slaves to work for them in their underground 'cities' from peoples of Vale of Anduin and they had some good battle record (in the War of the Orcs and Dwarves they still caused massive casualties for Dwarves who are elite warriros themselves, Dwarves are "exceedingly strong for their height" and in Battle of Five Armies they fared quite well coming close to victory against combined forces of Elves, Dwarves and Men).
Uruks are the largest breed of orc. Over hundreds of years Saruman secretly had orcs raid villages around Rohan and perhaps from the wild men and kidnapped women. He then had Uruks rape the women and he used his knowledge and magic to keep them alive through pregnancy. He then continued to have the children rape the women over and over again until the human gene started to become more pronounced and those creatures were the Uruk-hai. He continued this process until he had orc men or half orcs which were predominantly human but very evil. He could use these half orc to help him spread corruption without drawing much attention to himself as he did in the Scouring of the Shire. I believe this is what Tolkien intended because he believed in light and dark until he fought in WWI and found out there was good and bad on both sides. Because of Saruman, orc blood became engrained in humanities genome, but there is also Elf blood in our genome because the two races have loved each other. This is Tolkien’s reasoning for why there is so much corruption in he world today. After all we are living in the 5th age. I’m just waiting for Dagor Dagorath ⚔️
"The White Council seems to have been unaware, since for many years Isengard had been closely guarded, of what went on within its Ring. The use, and possibly special breeding, of Orcs was kept secret, and cannot have begun much before 2990 at earliest. The Orc-troops seem never to have been used beyond the territory of Isengard before the attack on Rohan. Had the Council known of this they would, of course, at once have realized that Saruman had become evil. [Author's note.]" - Unfinished Tales The War of the Ring began in 3018. Saruman wasn't breeding Orcs for hundreds of years, but less than 20. Half-orcs aren't bred over multiple generations, . Furthermore, Uruk-hai and Half-orcs are always used as being separate kinds of creatures in his writings, so it's most likely that Uruk-hai are pure-blood Orcs, most of which he got from Sauron or the Misty Mountains, and began breeding them a bit. He then went on to bred Half-orcs, which looked like the Southron the Hobbits and Aragorn sawin Bree - a link that has never been made for the Uruks that captured the Hobbits. This view is strengthened by the short amount of time is stated to have for breeding his armies. Orcs are not supposed to be the _origin_ of the bad in humanity, they are supposed to _represent_ the worst in humanity. The origin of the bad in Men is clear: Morgoth's corruption, which started way before Uruks were even created.
Jim TLMC I'm confused by your question. Can you explain to me the unique qualities that make each "stupid" distinct? Then I might be able to tell you which "stupid" I am trying to be.
OMG, trolls are older than the internet! :)
TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Yes, the trolls go back to old Scandinavia. Our folklore has tales about trolls in the dark forests, and goblins, elves, dwarfs and so on. Tolkien if fact got all this from old Scandinavian lore, aka middle earth that is midgård in Swedish. And i think we even have some orcs in our folklore aswell
@@galenbjorn443 Turns out orc came from the word "Orcneas" which means demon and dates back to Beowulf. Pretty cool how he got most of his inspiration from myths and shaped them into one of the greatest fantasy stories ever written.
Jamie Brolga Kaladin Ye i know, bloody cool
Peaceful farmer orcs? What source did you get that from?
Adam Tyrrell Even if he doesn’t have a source it seems plausible, Tolkien was never comfortable with the idea that all orcs were evil and beyond redemption.
I’m sure some Orcs could overcome their nature, and become “free thinkers” if you will.
Finally someone who can properly pronounce the names.
Hats off to you, sir. instant subscribe
He mentioned something about trolls reproducing … I got a horrible churning in my stomach.
That happen to anyone else?
As long as they keep it among each other, I think i can live with it.
The alternative would require copious amounts of brain bleach.
elie challita Ohhh … you're familiar with Jack Daniel's too! :-)
UniversalPotentate All too familiar, I'm afraid.
I prefer Larceny or Knob Creek though
Awesome video! I have learned so much from your series! Can't wait to see more!
Tom, Bert, and Bill?
.....give me a f'in break.
Jacob D Wunsch What's wrong with the all-powerful Bert, Bill and Tom? ;-)
Seems like the dark lords are pretty good genetic engineers
there were orcs that lived as farmers and merchants? what? are there examples?
Wait, so the Arkenstone is one of the Silmarillons?
It might be, but we don't know for sure
I highly doubt it, the Silmarils were made by Feanor from some unknown substance harder even than diamond named silima and were said to be unbreakable and the Arkenstone was simply a large white gem cut and fashioned by the Dwarves (not to mention it was mined by them from under the Lonely Mountain). We know that the Silmarils had great power in them, shone brightly and their fate is known one was thrown into the sea, the second is in keeping of Earendil and the third was thrown by Maedhros into the firey chasm (in Beleriand when the destruction caused by rampaging armies, Host of Valinor and Morgoth's forces in War of Wrath had this westernmost portion of continent destroyed and ultimately drowned by sea). It's highly unlikely that Silmaril would travel under the earth hundreds of miles east to Erebor :) :) :). Arkenstone is marvellous gem but 'ordinary' one.
I forget, who is Earendil?
+Dony Christie You can google it, but anyways he was the one that slayed the biggest dragon in middle earth and he was an elf. Frodo also has "the light of eärendil" that he uses against Shelob in Return of the King.
+Dony Christie He is also Elrond's father
good job, handy info right out of the bat!
+MrAdriensourdot Thank you! :)
Orcs came first. Morgoth bred orcs by corrupting elves (Silmarillion). Goblins were smaller orcs that developed from orcs who infested the mountains. They grew smaller to accommodate their life in the cramped tunnels (first described as the primary species in The Hobbit with Orcs described as bigger, stronger goblins). Sauron bred the Uruks which were larger and stronger versions of orcs with black, rather than green or gray skins. They were still susceptible to sunlight's detrimental effects. The Uruk-Hai were Sauroman's creation, crossed with men using foul sorceries, these tall, swart, slant-eyed orc kin were able to run in daylight without suffering the weakness inflicted on other orcs. Essentially, Uruk-hai were half uruks, half men.
+sandorsbox see that's not necessarily true because Uruk-hai, the largest in stature of any orc, were referred to as Goblins at one point in the Lord of The Rings
The term orc was defined as a large type of goblin in the hobbit. Goblin is the actual race per the hobbit, but orcs were more prevalent in LotR. Uruks are described as bigger with a more upright posture than the stooping orcs but still not find of sunlight (Grishnakh). The uruk-hai were Specifically cooked up by sauroman and were not bothered by sunlight at all. Goblin is a catchall term for the race, but more specifically refers those of shorter stature.
They're not different races though, and are in fact the same name for the same thing. Like a puma and a mountain lion are all the same thing.
Right, the different terms just describe different subcategories of the same race.
not even that, they're a regional thing at best.
Granted, there is a lot of variation among orcs
how do orcs reproduce?
Some things are best left unknown in the dark...
Daniel Windrus they are dug out of badness
archel prinnydood barayoga you see, when a male orc loves a female orc...
QuiteDaPlayer_ i bet orcs have dicks
Obviously they fuck, and surely, it is brutal
In which country you live?
Canada :)
You name Gothmog as a well known Orc, but he was the Captain of the Balrogs in the First Age.
There are 2 Gothmogs, 1 being the captain of the Balrogs, the other being the leader of Minas Morgul and commander of the army that attacked Minas tirith.
dardo1201 right on. didn't remember the orc
Well, he's not described to be an Orc (the movies made him into one though). In LotR, his name is only used once in LotR as the Lieutenant of Minas Morgul, when he send reinforcements from Osgilliath to the Pelennor after the Witch-King died. His race isn't known, but I suspect him to be a Black Numenorean like the Mouth of Sauron instead of an Orc.
010MauDib010 yes and gothmog the one who kill fingon ,and gothmog died when the fall of gondolin
A bit late but on the whole *orcs vs goblins* thing...its called *"interchangeable terms"!!* Seriously it's like no one has ever heard of such a alien concept. Sorry it just bothers me that people are still dedating this.
Uruk where a secret breed, saron keept secrect till the last battle against minas tirith. Saruman never had them under his command. instead he to interbreed common orks with the men from dunland to make them less vulnerable against sunlight. the only known halforks.
Nope, Uruks first appeared on an assault on Osgilliath, many centuries before the War of the Ring. Saruman did have Uruks under his command too. In Unfinished Tales we see Tolkien consistently using the term "Uruks" while talking about Saruman's forces. And he also distinguished them from Orc-men, as he called them in that chapter. So Half-orcs and Uruks are also not the same, and neither are Half-orcs and Uruk-hai.
You forgot Balrogs.
Next Wednesday, we will release part 2, they will be featured in that one :)
CivilizationEx
Thank you, good sir.
I hope they make a movie about Melkor since he's more evil than sauron.
Were werewolfs under command of Morgoth?
no "good bye, i love you," at the end of the video. sheeesh
Was Gothmog not a Balrog?
nope, remember the general of the orc force that sieged Minas Tirith ? The one that ordered his soldiers to stand their ground and not dodge the incoming catapult shots, but moved himself? That was Gothmog. He was the governor of Minas Morgul aswell
So two had that name ?
Apparently yes :) Gothmog was chieftain of melkor´s Balrogs during the big battles in the first age, so yeah you are right :))
Lieutenant of Minas Morgul, in the Witch-King's absence. Also, his race is unknown, so may be an Orc, but I think he's more likely to be a Black Numenorean.
david bradley in the silmarilion gothmog was king of balrog ,its a balrog
Shouldn’t Lurtz be named among the famous uruk-hai as the one to kill boromir? If not where does that name come from?
Lurtz doesn't exist in Tolkien's writing,he is only movie invention, so it can't be on the list
Is it possible for you to do a video on the Ungoliant and her alliance with Melkor/Morgoth?
Will do, I'll add it to the list. :)
so, goblins and orcs are the same things? cause in the game battle for Middle Earth 2 they goblins were a separate race and in the first movie there wereld goblins in Moria right?
Alinda vtl In Bfme2 Goblins are called those living in the misty mountains and orcs are the mordor ones.
Great content mate
but aren't uruk-hais a type of orc
It makes sense to me that the three Trolls encountered in the Hobbit would be Olag-Hai (or something similar) due to their obviously superior intellect. However, the Olag-Hair were supposed to be resistant to sunlight while the Trolls in the Hobbit were straight up turned to stone by it. How does that work?
Jesse Vincent
*Prototype Ologs/trolls??* I imagen even Sauron, didn't get it right the first try and thus *went through quite a few iterations...*
Non-Canon sources have names and origins for the Nazgul:
Lord: Murazor, a Numenorean Prince, self-proclaimed King of Umbar
2nd: Khamul, King of the Womaw Easterlings in the Farthest East
3rd:Dwar the Dog-Lord of Waw(Easterling) in the Farthest East
4th:Ji Indur Dawndeath, King and usurper of Koronande(Far Harad) in the Utter South
5th:Akorakhil the Blind Sorcerer, Numenorean King of An-Balukkhor in Far Harad
6th:Hoarmurath the Ice-King, King of the Urdar(Descendents of the First Age Easterlings in the far north)
7th:Adunaphel the Quiet, Numenorean King of Vamag, a Near Harad realm
8th:Ren the Unclean, Fire-King from Chey Sart(Easterling)
9th:Uvatha the Horseman, Ioriag Lord from Khand
Max B. I’m pretty sure Khamul’s name is canon.
Wait, some Orcs are nice? Where was this? Why are they nice? I'm confused!
What about Lurtz?!?
dude ur about to get so much views cause of shadow of war
What about Lurtz why wasn't he on the list? 2:31
What if Sauron pitted his highest servants Mouth Of Sauron, Saruman, And Witch King in a battle to the death?
the mouth of sauron is dead and i would say the witch king is the second to go so saruman wins
I don't thought Uruk Hai were created by Saruman
+Sarah Hillenbrand The originals were created by Sauron, but Saruman became famous for them because his Uruk Hai were the best.
wait what the witch king isnt sauron?
+Master Duncan The Witch King was a servant of Sauron, leader of the Ringwraiths.
+Master Duncan The Witch King is to Sauron as Sauron was to Morgoth, when Morgoth was at his peak; his highest servant who is delegated great power, but merely a servant.
"Nazgol" means "pretty flower" in Persian, I struggled to take them seriously because of that.
Nice
how can uruks be the greatest soldiers where they literally lost every major battle they fought?
They're bigger, smarter and faster than normal orcs, as well as not being weakened by daylight.
i know that, just saying that they never did actually won any battles
Jokester The Mighty
They didn't lose every battle, they just lost the ones that mattered. In their defense, though, the Uruk-hai of Isengard nearly defeated Rohan, and all the heroes, if it wasn't for Gandalf showing up at the last second.
well that was pretty much for dramatic effect
When the Uruks first appeared out of Mordor in the days of Ruling Steward Denethor I, they took over Ithilien and captured and destroyed Osgiliath in one quick offensive against armies of Gondor, it required a brilliant commander and great warrior Steward Boromir I (not to confuse with the Boromir of the Fellowship, he was his namesake :)) to push them back. Boromir the I was so skilled battle commander that even Witch-king considered him a threat and so he had him as top priority target (Boromir I received a 'morgul wound' which crippled him with pain and shortened his life, he died several years later). Uruks are described as "race of black Orcs of great strength" and indeed they are taller, tougher and more skilled than your average, run-of-the-mill mountain Orcs. Since they were bred Uruks of Mordor become footsoldiers though some of them also were trained for special purposes as elite troops (and of course they were given best toys, meaning better made gear, among their troops were "heavy-armed Uruks of Barad-dur". But even those ordinary Goblins/Mountain Orcs were dangerous, they often made successful raids taking spoils and slaves to work for them in their underground 'cities' from peoples of Vale of Anduin and they had some good battle record (in the War of the Orcs and Dwarves they still caused massive casualties for Dwarves who are elite warriros themselves, Dwarves are "exceedingly strong for their height" and in Battle of Five Armies they fared quite well coming close to victory against combined forces of Elves, Dwarves and Men).
Where is Lurtz when saying the use isengard guys?
Movie character, not book.
Jarl Anarch so
+da da702 Lurtz is not in the lore, he is Peter Jackson's creation, not Tolkien's originally.
@@dada-dx4rp So it can't be on the list unless Tolkien wrote it.
Interesting
It's confirmed that they are made of stone said in the hobbit
You didnt mention lurtz thats because he is not in the books right?
MexxusTV Yes, but I based the drawing of the Uruk-hai on Lurtz from the movies as a shout out :)
Can you do a focus melkor/morgoth? It would be awesome
Sure thing :)
You sound like the narrative in Baldur's Gate.
Uruks are the largest breed of orc. Over hundreds of years Saruman secretly had orcs raid villages around Rohan and perhaps from the wild men and kidnapped women. He then had Uruks rape the women and he used his knowledge and magic to keep them alive through pregnancy.
He then continued to have the children rape the women over and over again until the human gene started to become more pronounced and those creatures were the Uruk-hai.
He continued this process until he had orc men or half orcs which were predominantly human but very evil. He could use these half orc to help him spread corruption without drawing much attention to himself as he did in the Scouring of the Shire.
I believe this is what Tolkien intended because he believed in light and dark until he fought in WWI and found out there was good and bad on both sides. Because of Saruman, orc blood became engrained in humanities genome, but there is also Elf blood in our genome because the two races have loved each other. This is Tolkien’s reasoning for why there is so much corruption in he world today. After all we are living in the 5th age.
I’m just waiting for Dagor Dagorath ⚔️
"The White Council seems to have been unaware, since for many years Isengard had been closely guarded, of what went on within its Ring. The use, and possibly special breeding, of Orcs was kept secret, and cannot have begun much before 2990 at earliest. The Orc-troops seem never to have been used beyond the territory of Isengard before the attack on Rohan. Had the Council known of this they would, of course, at once have realized that Saruman had become evil. [Author's note.]" - Unfinished Tales
The War of the Ring began in 3018. Saruman wasn't breeding Orcs for hundreds of years, but less than 20. Half-orcs aren't bred over multiple generations, . Furthermore, Uruk-hai and Half-orcs are always used as being separate kinds of creatures in his writings, so it's most likely that Uruk-hai are pure-blood Orcs, most of which he got from Sauron or the Misty Mountains, and began breeding them a bit. He then went on to bred Half-orcs, which looked like the Southron the Hobbits and Aragorn sawin Bree - a link that has never been made for the Uruks that captured the Hobbits. This view is strengthened by the short amount of time is stated to have for breeding his armies.
Orcs are not supposed to be the _origin_ of the bad in humanity, they are supposed to _represent_ the worst in humanity. The origin of the bad in Men is clear: Morgoth's corruption, which started way before Uruks were even created.
U forgot lurts the most badass Uruk ever
Lurtz is exclusive to the Peter Jackson films.
Lurtz is exclusive to the Peter Jackson films.
Lurtz is exclusive to
Peter Jackson films.
Lurtz is exclusive to
Peter Jackson films.
Lurtz is a character invented by Peter Jackson, not Tolkien.
I thought Saruman bred the Uruk-hai not Sauron.
Nope, Sauron did. Saruman just used them too - and they were the same. Saruman (apparently) did rediscover was the breeding of Half-orcs.
Saruman bred his own version influenced by Sauron.
u forgot about ratbag lol
Is Rogash of Angmar not Canon?
Azog is the best Orc of the 6 movies
+Bilbo from Bag End FUCK NO
Definitely
How does one "Fuck no"? I have never had sex with a word before, is it a pleasurable experience?
are you trying to be stupid or stupid ?
Jim TLMC I'm confused by your question. Can you explain to me the unique qualities that make each "stupid" distinct? Then I might be able to tell you which "stupid" I am trying to be.
he didn't mention lurtz :I
Lurtz was created for the movies only. Officially, he isn't canon
didn't know that thanks
Je ne comprends rien
Ye Forgot an uruk-hai named "Lurtz" :3
He talks about the lore in the books. Lurtz was a character only made up for the movies as he is not in the books.
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