Looks like a mixed cross between several British steam loco's. It's a Duchess with a Britannia cab/rear truck and Royal Scot smoke deflectors, with French side valances added.
Yeah! That’s exactly what fooled me! The valances were an accessory too far. It doesn’t look like a typical French locomotive. Incidentally, French locomotives were seriously very good, and efficient. They had to be, because French coal was pretty awful.
They describe the design influences in the video description as a mix of Britannia and 9F. It was crashed in to a disused quarry about 7 or 8 Miles from my home in Derbyshire and no, I didn't see anything of it unfortunately....bonus was, I was a safe distance from Tom Cruise 🤣🤣🤣
Filming the Disney movie "The Lone Ranger" in 2012, we had 3 "steam locomotives", all made by Special Effects Department. 1 did not move, 1 was shoved around by a diesel electric switch engine, and one was powered by 2 Cummins 900 hp diesel engines in the tender, driving hydraulic pumps, which ran hydraulic motors on the tender wheels. Just like a Hornby HO model steam locomotive. None of the people in the train department thought it would work, but, what did we know? Well, it performed so poorly, I christened it the "Jokeomotive", and the director started calling it "my very expensive paperweight". Long story short...The MI 7 prop is not the first life sized tender powered engine.
This was cool to watch what a thriving steam community it seems. Been watching a lot of steam locomotive videos and yours came across my feed. It’s getting me psyched to go see the amazing 4014 “Big Boy” here in the US this July 2024.
The mock up of the derailed GW 0-4-2 running thro' the streets in the film (that I saw on first general release) of the Titfield Thunderbolt was impressive enough.
Ah man reading the title i thought that it arrived today, although not sure how considering it drove off a cliff but I guess I thought it was another one. I would've visited to go and see it. Ah well great footage.
On the side of the locomotive it says "le general rive reine". In 1964 john frankenhiemer directed a movie called the train. About a german war colonel in 1944 who stole art from paris to sell for a new panzer division. Majority of that movie filmed on a abandoned stretch of normady the town name was rive-reine wonder if there is any relation between the two movies
@@RailView_YT I caught the cross reference too. An awesome movie, a very good use of two hours of anyone's time. It was the last full feature movie shot in black and white. So much info available about that film, far too much to share here. Check it out, you won't be disappointed.
The "Le General" part of the name is probably a reference to Buster Keaton's "The General", which like John Frankenheimer's "The Train" also featured amazing railway stunts done with actual locomotive and rolling stock. Combining it with "Rive Reine" basically makes it a double homage to two great films.
Fascinating video thank you. All that money for a superb mongrel locomotive which actually 'worked' in its short life. Shame to scrap all that hard work.
I didn't read the description, have not fully grasped this is a movie prop (although it does mention Mission Impossible in the title, fair enough). So I'm watching this video, thinking how nice it is when people save old locomotives and restore them to look this nice, and then at the end I read "the locomotive was launched off of the cliff" O_O. In the first moment I was still thinking, yeah sure they're launching this locomotive after the reconstruction was finished, clearly. As in, launching a ship. The "off of the cliff" part took a moment to sink in :D
In a city - Santos Dumont, where the aircraft inventor was born - about 50 Km near of mine is a totally restored Baldwin loco but even for visitation is now forbidden...
This sure was interesting to watch. Reminds me of the behind of the scenes video on the train scene for this movie and how they made the passenger cars just like this engine that went off a cliff.
I love how the numbering copies the style of the French steam locomotive on a British style locomotive, and with the wheel number and not the axle number like the SNCF does. By french standard, a 462 engine would be massive.
That loco is one hell of a weight to pull for a modestly sized 1940s tractor with a 2 1/2 litre four cylinder lump and a mere 30 or so horse power. I'm not surprised it was spinning the back wheels.
This is a similar "prop" loco like they built for the movie..Murdet on the Orient Express, which is now a lovely restaurant with the coaches up in Bassenthwaite...well wort a visit
I was waiting for all seven loco’s to be unloaded from trucks to the GCR and that it must have been a difficult job to organise getting them there in a convoy from different parts of the UK. After I watched the video, I realised and re read the headline. I added an ‘s’ to loco! 🤪🤦♂️🤣
I wonder why they made a British Railways loco when the film was supposed to in Europe, could it be because a continental loco would be too big for our loading gauge and a smaller scale replica would not look right.
Cedarcam, Its a good question. I guess building a full sized French loco in the UK from plans would have been a greater challenge than basing it on a loco that many engineers would be familiar with. No doubt the producers chose the UK because of its strong steam engineering tradition and ready availability of heritage railways to film the other scenes in the movie. The English language and US movie production companies having a studio presence near London would also have helped.
I would really like to know more details about how they built that machine. It took special machines and equipment back in the day. Foundrys for the hugh castings, and none of that exists anymore. And the people who biult the originals are long dead and gone too. If it truly is a mockup, im dumfounded. Even if they had the help of railroad historians, i cant see how they could of biult it!
Edit: was this before they threw it off a bridge? if so its a shame if this is old footage as she is beautiful for a mutt loco of many types of original locomotives Edit 2: Nevermind! should have made a mock version and kept the original because while it be expensive it would have been awesome to see if this design had any potential as a real locomotive.
So given that this is a full size mock up and so could have been made to look like anything, why did they make something that looks like a Britannia with bits on to make it look foreign?
@@JD0G69 Going by Box Office Mojo: The film had a budget of $291 (which included making and destroying this prop). It grossed $370m so far worldwide, but do note that this does not account for the box office's share of tickets which internationally can be 50% or higher. Further, the golden rule in cinema is that you need roughly 2.5x your budget to account for marketing and miscellaneous costs to break even. As a result, it made $370m gross profit so far and needed something like $725m to break even. Bear in mind, that's just break even - to actually be considered profitable you need to make way more than that, realistically at least $1b. It made the money back on making this train prop, but it seems to have been a waste of time and money when it looks to be a flop. xD
When l saw them run a steam 🚂 loco off the bridge l couldn't believe it. So much better to know it was a prop not a real 🚂 steam locomotive. I love 💕 🚂🚃🚃.
È bom ver que essas maquinas em alguns lugares do mundo ainda estão em uso em memoria de uma historia que ser contada por elas mesmas com existencia neste seculo presente.
Looks like 8"L * 9"W * (2+2) * 7 = 2,016 sq.inches at 120 psi = 242,000 pounds (110 tonnes) just very roughly. I do this for my car & the truck that brings my propane.
2 million only to crash it? seems a bit wasteful spending all that money on a prop only to destroy it. Great to see more footage of this impressive movie prop. shame it was destined for the scrapper's torch from day 1
True, but I'm pretty sure the movie got way more money than the amount it took to make the prop, and it isn't really a shame, seeing that the prop is only wood, they could just make more in future circumstances
Please note:
For this wanting to know details on this loco, please read the description.
The "General Rive-Reine" in tribute to two other great 'train' movies
A real tender driven loco..... life imitating art 😊
Great video, and a nice bonus seeing the David Brown tractor. :3
Thank you very much! :)
Cameron
Looks like a mixed cross between several British steam loco's. It's a Duchess with a Britannia cab/rear truck and Royal Scot smoke deflectors, with French side valances added.
Yeah! That’s exactly what fooled me! The valances were an accessory too far. It doesn’t look like a typical French locomotive. Incidentally, French locomotives were seriously very good, and efficient. They had to be, because French coal was pretty awful.
I'm pretty sure it's just a Britannia with side valances and different snooker deflectors
They describe the design influences in the video description as a mix of Britannia and 9F. It was crashed in to a disused quarry about 7 or 8 Miles from my home in Derbyshire and no, I didn't see anything of it unfortunately....bonus was, I was a safe distance from Tom Cruise 🤣🤣🤣
@@joshtoth-thomas5847 It is. It has the linkage on the left hand side of the boiler for the regulator which Duchesses never had.
Filming the Disney movie "The Lone Ranger" in 2012, we had 3 "steam locomotives", all made by Special Effects Department. 1 did not move, 1 was shoved around by a diesel electric switch engine, and one was powered by 2 Cummins 900 hp diesel engines in the tender, driving hydraulic pumps, which ran hydraulic motors on the tender wheels. Just like a Hornby HO model steam locomotive. None of the people in the train department thought it would work, but, what did we know? Well, it performed so poorly, I christened it the "Jokeomotive", and the director started calling it "my very expensive paperweight". Long story short...The MI 7 prop is not the first life sized tender powered engine.
Thanks for clearing it up for me. I did not realize it was powered by its tender. I assumed its steam powerd drive was real! pretty clever.😊
Rive - Reine is one of the stations detailed in the 1964 film The Train starring Burt Lancaster.
I noticed that also! -
Such a great movie!
Amazing to see this loco being transported on a trailer with wheels . .
My best friend, that's a great video. I will always cheer for you in Korea I'm looking forward to a great video. Have a nice day.
I simply love that David Brown tractor.They had the Hillman/Humber motor.
It always makes me sad to know that it was only built to be destroyed!
better than destroying a real one!
Yes! What a waste of money, effort and enthusiasm!
@@DandamanV Destroying no one would be the best. For any silly movie.
Its just a non working replica. We have working ones thankfully, and steam locomotives are still being built by enthusiasts in England.
I will admit, it's very convincing 😊
My best friend, It's always great. Your video is excellent quality. We liked and enjoyed to the end. Thanks
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it! :)
Cameron
Stop the film at about 1.06 or 1.07, and you can see right through where the "firebox" and "boiler" are joined together!
This was cool to watch what a thriving steam community it seems. Been watching a lot of steam locomotive videos and yours came across my feed. It’s getting me psyched to go see the amazing 4014 “Big Boy” here in the US this July 2024.
The mock up of the derailed GW 0-4-2 running thro' the streets in the film (that I saw on first general release) of the Titfield Thunderbolt was impressive enough.
I’ve driven a class 8 shunted at Longsight… thanks for the recall of the memory
😀👍i love it this is very very nostalgic look like back in the 18/19 centuries
Its so cool seeing somthing so intresting working again 😢😢😢😊😊😊😊😊😊
Said the little red tractor pulling the loco … “I think I can, I think I can, I think I can …” 😂
A beautiful and brave tractor indeed!
Great Video, thanks for sharing
Very nice video! Thumbs up 👍and best greetings
Thank you very much! :)
Cameron
Many great actors lived during the running of those locos.
Hi ya all that is one powerful truck!!!!
Nice video, LIKE😄
Thank you! :)
Cameron
I was in the UK and on the high way I say this same locomotive . I’ve been looking for what it was
Ah man reading the title i thought that it arrived today, although not sure how considering it drove off a cliff but I guess I thought it was another one. I would've visited to go and see it. Ah well great footage.
Thank you very much :)
Cameron
On the side of the locomotive it says "le general rive reine". In 1964 john frankenhiemer directed a movie called the train. About a german war colonel in 1944 who stole art from paris to sell for a new panzer division. Majority of that movie filmed on a abandoned stretch of normady the town name was rive-reine wonder if there is any relation between the two movies
That's some great facts right there! Thanks for sharing :)
Cameron
@@RailView_YT I caught the cross reference too. An awesome movie, a very good use of two hours of anyone's time. It was the last full feature movie shot in black and white. So much info available about that film, far too much to share here. Check it out, you won't be disappointed.
Can fully recommend the film _The Train_ with an excellent Burt Lancaster. Didn't spot the name connection though. Nice one.
Very well spotted ! There must be some sort of historical cinematic connection - hommage to John Frankenheimer perhaps ?
The "Le General" part of the name is probably a reference to Buster Keaton's "The General", which like John Frankenheimer's "The Train" also featured amazing railway stunts done with actual locomotive and rolling stock. Combining it with "Rive Reine" basically makes it a double homage to two great films.
Interessting video, thumbs up :)
Thank you, Simon! :)
Cameron
Fascinating video thank you. All that money for a superb mongrel locomotive which actually 'worked' in its short life. Shame to scrap all that hard work.
Thanks very much John :)
Cameron
Looks relatively convincing, for a movie prop!
well done looks great
Thank you my dear 🌺
Cor nice one mate, rare to see a Class 37 slip at 6 mins in 😉
Why thank you Mr Jenden, gotta love a surprise 37 appearance 👌
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I actually see this when I was driving other day it’s massive
I didn't read the description, have not fully grasped this is a movie prop (although it does mention Mission Impossible in the title, fair enough). So I'm watching this video, thinking how nice it is when people save old locomotives and restore them to look this nice, and then at the end I read "the locomotive was launched off of the cliff" O_O. In the first moment I was still thinking, yeah sure they're launching this locomotive after the reconstruction was finished, clearly. As in, launching a ship. The "off of the cliff" part took a moment to sink in :D
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How would you replace the tires on that flat bed if any blow? Be interesting to hear.
In a city - Santos Dumont, where the aircraft inventor was born - about 50 Km near of mine is a totally restored Baldwin loco but even for visitation is now forbidden...
This sure was interesting to watch. Reminds me of the behind of the scenes video on the train scene for this movie and how they made the passenger cars just like this engine that went off a cliff.
Glad you found it interesting, thanks for watching :)
Cameron
that was really interesting - ok a giant model train but still impressive - thanks for sharing this with us
Must not have roller bearings , she did not want to move !! The things they will do for films amazes me , she looks great !!
I love how the numbering copies the style of the French steam locomotive on a British style locomotive, and with the wheel number and not the axle number like the SNCF does.
By french standard, a 462 engine would be massive.
It would also have no powered wheels. 4F2 would be *even bigger*.
Selon la SNCF ce serait une 231
It looks so real 😍
Certainly looks very convincing doesn't it lol
Cameron
Love you steam locomotive 🚂 ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
Very cool! Stéph.
I wish I could see this train in action
Fico muito agradecido pela beleza dessa locomotiva.
superbe train
Brilliant but disappointing!!! I was getting all keyed up about visiting the GCR to ride behind this!!!
Superb film
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the film :)
Cameron
I was looking forward to riding behind it too 😢
Fantastico il recupero di queste splendide locomotive.
beautifull engine
The low-loader semitrailer makes funny sounds.... "bowwowwowowwow". A trailer with a built-in pack of dogs 😄
Being a railway nerd, I can’t not see Britannia under that ‘disguise’.
Can we build a teplica of the locomotive to put in a museaum
For a fake unit it looks amazing
Wow, a 1:1Scale model train
I looked at this and thought “did they rebuild it after it wrecked” but no this is just old footage 😂
Same
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Interesting.
Would love to have seen, photos or a video of the aftermouth of the shot, or cutting and removing wreckage for scrap
Aq suka lokomotif uap.. naik yg jadul maupun yg mmodrn (prduk thn 30an )..
That loco is one hell of a weight to pull for a modestly sized 1940s tractor with a 2 1/2 litre four cylinder lump and a mere 30 or so horse power. I'm not surprised it was spinning the back wheels.
Yes, but not full weight, much being built from wood and other stuff and would have had a hollow inside.
Good old David Brown tractor,nice to see classic British engineering getting a look in!.
A Case-o-matic very likely would have gotten that loco moving.
This is a similar "prop" loco like they built for the movie..Murdet on the Orient Express, which is now a lovely restaurant with the coaches up in Bassenthwaite...well wort a visit
I was waiting for all seven loco’s to be unloaded from trucks to the GCR and that it must have been a difficult job to organise getting them there in a convoy from different parts of the UK.
After I watched the video, I realised and re read the headline. I added an ‘s’ to loco! 🤪🤦♂️🤣
what tests did occur for the loco while it was at the GCR did it get a run of the line under its own power ?
I liked it better when movie people would wreck a toy train instead of a real one. Big fan of Gomez Addams 😂
I wonder if any of her parts salvaged after the crash?
Seeing a tender drive itself was odd.
It was being pulled by the lorry behind it
I wonder why they made a British Railways loco when the film was supposed to in Europe, could it be because a continental loco would be too big for our loading gauge and a smaller scale replica would not look right.
Cedarcam, Its a good question. I guess building a full sized French loco in the UK from plans would have been a greater challenge than basing it on a loco that many engineers would be familiar with. No doubt the producers chose the UK because of its strong steam engineering tradition and ready availability of heritage railways to film the other scenes in the movie. The English language and US movie production companies having a studio presence near London would also have helped.
Why did SA Smith move it when it Mainly Reid Freight that moved all the carriages and loco
Because they were contracted to do so
As a retired truck driver I'm curious about the horsepower they have in their trucks pulling this weight.
FH16-550HP, may I think. And a strong hydrostatic engine braking too, probably 600HP+350HP of engine pneumatic breaking..
It isn't the HP so much as the gearing which is one of the reasons they can't travel very fast.
Tender driven? That’s kinda cool
Even the tractor loco is very rare.
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its bit of a shame there werent made a second prop engine, it could been great promotion material.
I would really like to know more details about how they built that machine. It took special machines and equipment back in the day. Foundrys for the hugh castings, and none of that exists anymore. And the people who biult the originals are long dead and gone too. If it truly is a mockup, im dumfounded. Even if they had the help of railroad historians, i cant see how they could of biult it!
Edit: was this before they threw it off a bridge? if so its a shame if this is old footage as she is beautiful for a mutt loco of many types of original locomotives
Edit 2: Nevermind! should have made a mock version and kept the original because while it be expensive it would have been awesome to see if this design had any potential as a real locomotive.
So given that this is a full size mock up and so could have been made to look like anything, why did they make something that looks like a Britannia with bits on to make it look foreign?
Hello. I stumbled on this film on u tube and thought it was a French import. Just shows how you can be fooled Cheers Mark
Here I thought I was looking at a real locomotive.
Just such a crying shame it was destroyed in the film all in the name of realism but that’s the name of the film game !!
Why do S. A. Smith still have a fax number?
Great video, So. Is it locomotive going to get restored or will it get Scraped?!
Thanks very much Jimmy! :) She was totally destroyed in the crash and set for scrap.
Cameron
@RailView_YT Jesus!! There's 2 million pound gone!!
@@jimmystransportmarvels8815They’ll have made the money back very easily in box office profits
@@JD0G69 Going by Box Office Mojo:
The film had a budget of $291 (which included making and destroying this prop).
It grossed $370m so far worldwide, but do note that this does not account for the box office's share of tickets which internationally can be 50% or higher.
Further, the golden rule in cinema is that you need roughly 2.5x your budget to account for marketing and miscellaneous costs to break even.
As a result, it made $370m gross profit so far and needed something like $725m to break even. Bear in mind, that's just break even - to actually be considered profitable you need to make way more than that, realistically at least $1b.
It made the money back on making this train prop, but it seems to have been a waste of time and money when it looks to be a flop. xD
@@MrJoeyWheelerOuch, that must be one of the biggest box office flops ever 🤣 Part 2 will probably be even worse lol
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When l saw them run a steam 🚂 loco off the bridge l couldn't believe it. So much better to know it was a prop not a real 🚂 steam locomotive. I love 💕 🚂🚃🚃.
It’s the engine that fell
this loco is clearly a britannia with some added features to look different
What loco is it based on plz I’ve read the description but can’t see it
It’s supposed to be based on a br standard 7 Britannia locomotive
Too me it looks like the Britannia class but not sure,
Based on a BR Standard 7 Britannia.
È bom ver que essas maquinas em alguns lugares do mundo ainda estão em uso em memoria de uma historia que ser contada por elas mesmas com existencia neste seculo presente.
Isso é "só" uma replica que foi destruída intencionalmente
That train that fell off I saw in the car the other year
Power from the past, now junk of the present
Looks like 8"L * 9"W * (2+2) * 7 = 2,016 sq.inches at 120 psi = 242,000 pounds (110 tonnes) just very roughly. I do this for my car & the truck that brings my propane.
I still think the side skirts look ridiculous... But I am glad they didn't sacrifice a real standard 7 for the movie...
You need to put some weights on the front of that tractor
WAIT they crashed it???😭
Why did they have to distroy this beautiful locomotive, just for a movie?
2 million only to crash it? seems a bit wasteful spending all that money on a prop only to destroy it. Great to see more footage of this impressive movie prop. shame it was destined for the scrapper's torch from day 1
True, but I'm pretty sure the movie got way more money than the amount it took to make the prop, and it isn't really a shame, seeing that the prop is only wood, they could just make more in future circumstances
@@mod2966 am pretty sure there is a lot of metal in it since it's a real chassis.
Some of it was wood, so destined for the chainsaw too.
Is that not a standard class 7