MN 111 The Path Through the Jhanas-Very Good Explanation of the Jhanas
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- Delson Armstrong explains each Jhana MN 111 Anupada Sutta: One by One As They Occurred
This is one of his BEST talks on the characteristics of Jhana.
Where: Dhamma Sukha Meditation Center
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MN 111 Anupada Sutta: One by One As They Occurred
Thus have i heard.
On one occasion the Blessed One was living at Savatthi in Jeta's Grove, Anathapindika's Park. There he addressed the bhikkhus thus: "Bhikkhus, Sariputta is wise; Sariputta has great wisdom; Sariputta has wide wisdom; Sariputta has joyous wisdom; Sariputta has quick wisdom; Sariputta has keen wisdom; Sariputta has penetrative wisdom. During half a month, bhikkhus, Sariputta had insight into states one by one as they occurred. Now Sariputta's insight into states one by one as they occurred was this: "Here, bhikkhus, quite secluded from sensual pleasures, secluded from unwholesome states, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the first jhana, which is accompanied by applied and sustained thought, with rapture and pleasure born of seclusion."
"And the states in the first jhana - the applied thought, the sustained thought, the rapture, the pleasure, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and mind; the zeal, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus: 'So indeed, these states, not having been, come into being; having been, they vanish.' Regarding those states, he abided unattracted, unrepelled, independent, detached, dissociated, with a mind rid of barriers. He understood: 'There is an escape beyond,' and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is."
"Again, bhikkhus, with the stilling of applied and sustained thought, Sariputta entered and abided in the second jhana, which has self-confidence and singleness of mind without applied and sustained thought, with rapture and pleasure born of concentration.And the states in the second jhana - the self-confidence, the rapture, the pleasure, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and mind; the zeal, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus..and with the cultivation of that [attainment], he confirmed that there is."
"Again, bhikkhus, with the fading away as well of rapture, Sariputta abided in equanimity, and mindful and fully aware, still feeling pleasure with the body, he entered upon and abided in the third jhana, on account of which noble ones announce: 'He has a pleasant abiding who has equanimity and is mindful.' And the states in the third jhana - the equanimity, the pleasure, the mindfulness, the full awareness, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and mind; the zeal, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus:...and with the cultivation of that [attainment], he confirmed that there is. "
"Again, bhikkhus, with the abandoning of pleasure and pain, and with the previous disappearance of joy and grief, Sariputta entered upon and abided in the fourth jhana, which has neither-pain-nor-pleasure and purity of mindfulness due to equanimity. And the states in the fourth jhana - the equanimity, the neither-painful-nor-pleasant feeling, the mental unconcern due to tranquillity,1050 the purity of mindfulness, and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and mind; the zeal, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus...and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is."
"Again, bhikkhus, with the complete surmounting of perceptions of form, with the disappearance of perceptions of
sensory impact, with non-attention to perceptions of diversity, aware that 'space is infinite,' Sariputta entered upon and abided in the base of infinite space.And the states in the base of infinite space - the perception of the base of infinite space and the unification of mind; the contact, feeling, perception, volition, and mind; the zeal, decision, energy, mindfulness, equanimity, and attention - these states were defined by him one by one as they occurred; known to him those states arose, known they were present, known they disappeared. He understood thus...and with the cultivation of that attainment, he confirmed that there is."
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This was probably one of the best explanations of Jhanna I've heard... Out of 500 hours or more of Dhamma talks.
A few things to add though.
1) another point of Jhanna is to show you that worldly pleasures aren't worth obtaining. Why would you seek them out when you can have as much pleasure AND more from mediation? It's a way to pull you out of wheel of Samsara.
2) As to the dangers. Yes, it's hard to stay in them and therefore staying in them for a long time isn't gonna be a problem for most people.
The issue is with the disenchantment for the world that comes with the Jhannas. It's actually a good thing but is utterly live changing.
It can make you not want to engage in your job, your friends and family. Which can be a huge issue if you are the provider and have responsibilities.
The Jhannas and the path are not something to be taken lightly because of this.
Path is clear, just do the steps.
Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! thankyou Delson ❤
Thank you so much for sharing this. It explain so much of my experience and most recent experiences. It gave me so much insight. I truly appreciate it
Sbd you have entered the Streams either a Sotapanna, sakadagami, anagami.
Lastly in your journey of attainment you will need to experience total 4 time conciousness ceesations.
The 4th is the last time ARAHAT.
Excellent discourse by Nelson 🙏 an in depth wise break down of the Jhanas. Thank you!
After you have experience ceesations of conciousness and when you reawaken you will be immense in very strong happiness
Upon attainment you enter into ceesation of conciousness and when ask do you know,the answer is i do not know.
And supposing if ask on the second time do you know the one who experience ceesations will answer I know.
In this way to recognise a person who has experience attainment can be known by these 2 Questions.
Dear Darma friends. Does someone know when Delson come to The Netherlands? Please let me know. Thank you very much.
Austria sept 2025 tentatively, is closest that is scheduled for now.
Alan Wallace would have a field day with this. 😂 This is not his gold standard to put it mildly
Such a lovely and very well explained topic!
Even for someone not so intelligent like me 😂
I entered the stream through intense practice of the tibetan ngöndro. Been a ride since the beginning.
I very appreciate your explanation, very accurate!
I was wishing for it 🫶🙏💎🕉💜
Thank you.
Mr Delson you are teaching wrong things to Westerner. You clam it's Buddhist view and mixing up none Buddhist view.
Thank you Delson. The first jhana is very helpful right now. I lost compassion for a while.
Very clear explanations of such complex content.
Really, quite an excellent and clear explanation. Many thanks!
How did Buddha taught jhaana as naturally grow.
Thank you, for teaching
I'm not sure. Again an anti-samdhi, anti-concentration interpretation. In my experience there is no orbiting, there is unification with the object. and that is the jahna. total absorbtion into the object. thee is no insight in jahna. jaha is a physical skill. like building up muscles. These muscles are used for insight.
You are describing concentration jhana. TWIM is an Aware Jhana gotten to by the technique of the 6Rs. It is really very new but we believe it to be what the Buddha taught. In Sutta MN 36 he rejected absorption as not the way and it was only under the bodhi tree did he figure it out. Try the process -otherwise you will always have some doubt. There are two types of jhana!
@@davidjohnson8218 I will look at that
Thank you for this video.
Thank you
Thank you
Thanks for sharing Delson. Your experience has provided great clarity to my own, although I have no experience through buddhism these Jhanas are not belonging to any religion or man, but instead they are universally available to all even without knowledge of them or without advanced meditation experience. I found them without any prior experience, so don't let that be your hurdle to self investigation for anybody here who thinks you need to be a master meditator like Delson to experience them.
Indeed. Most students get well into the jhanas on physical retreats in 10 days or less and many also on online retreats. The way the Buddha taught them when you use the relax step is very easy to achieve and open to anyone!
@@davidjohnson8218 It's fascinating to hear such drastic success coming from your organization's curriculum and leads me to ask if there are others that are following your curriculum elsewhere? I live in Australia and would love to discover somewhere local that is doing similar work do you have any sister organisations abroad? The way Bhante and Delson have demystified these topics is what drew me in, Delson especially has been a valuable light in understanding what has happened to me and inspired me to get more involved and has helped provide grounding for the buddhas teachings that previously being repeated and expanded upon by those without the direct experience to fully understand them
@@davidjohnson8218 so deluded.
@@haroldtheescapist2865 The Metta Centre in Melbourne has conducted TWIM retreats. Suttavada foundation website is a resource. We offer all kinds of online courses where you sit at home and are interviewed by a teacher.
@@backwardthoughts1022 There are the usual concentration jhanas which are impossible to reach in days or weeks but the TWIM aware jhanas are not state of concentration but collectedness and a level of insight with the characteristics that are common to both types of practice. Its really apples and oranges here. That's why it sounds so simple to do because it is a different state. It is the state as it is described in the suttas. I suggest you try it and try the 6R process as it is clearly stated in the Anapanasati sutta which no one sees right in front of them. They just go right by the Tranquilize (Pasambayeh) step that is stated clearly and not done in concentration practice.
My goodness this guy is smart! Wow!
Stream entry is kundalini rising up the spine
No- it is not. Here is a response to Kundalini meditation. ua-cam.com/video/BlB0woiH0tg/v-deo.html
Best explanation of the jhanas, I've heard, so far. Calm, clear, and concise.
None Buddhist explanation of jhaana. Buddhist never accept jhanaa arise itself
Jhaana is wisdom in Buddhist and wisdom can caltivate
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When the Buddha to be siddharta was contemplating he remembered a time when he was naturally absorbed when looking at rice field workers/farmers
It’s natural and inherent we think we have to do something but as Buddha to be siddharta realized jhana came to him spontaneously without effort
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This is 100% not rude but *what's with the weird 70s - 90s, like, synthesizer type PBS intro music.* Also with delson. He's like a buttoned up "conservative (not political )" type, and he doesn't even have sex. This is like a PBS computer documentary on floppy disk storage. I'm surprised it's not filmed on a JVC, 8 millimeter. O.o
I'm just seriously confused. Honestly. The music choice. I'm surprised he doesn't slow walk out, and say his intro as the camera zooms out/pans him "hello, I'm delson Armstrong and welcome, to _Meditation Chronicles: Tales of the Jhana._
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This is not a joke. I'm shocked. And don't say it was because "nostalgia".
Consider re-writing the comment. It isn't, with respect, in keeping with this very important topic.
you cant be fat and have concentration
What? why not?
@@davidjohnson8218 upon the form realm mental factors arising and accompanying ones perfect samadhi of the desire realm one achieves shamata, steps foot in the form realm for the first time, and quells all interest for desire realm sense objects including food. lucidity and bliss are observed to be the natural state of the mind with the dissolution of delusions and obscurations.
yes when you are beyond concentration
@@OfficialGOD theres no such thing as beyond concentration for arhats and buddhas, or even any being born in the form realm and above. a mind sustaining a cessation of mental affliction means in part to have uninterrupted perfect samadhi by definition, among other qualities.
😂😂😂 Ajahn Brahm disagrees probably
So you indicated that stream entry is possible via the jhanas, without doing insight meditation, and having the 16 insights. Is that correct? Thankyou.
Yes- that is a different path. I traveled it for years and went through nanas & it didn't lead to what you experience on TWIM.
not only can you not do it that way but you can't become an arya without at least the level of sautrantika
since theravadins do not know how to posit negations without their being functioning things, they are by definition afflicted and obstructed from accomplishing sautrantika path of seeing since they cannot realized the subtler ignorance, only the very coarse ignorance of theravadins.
there is simply too much scholarship at this point on this topic to be excused any longer from being deeply educated regarding this.
@@backwardthoughts1022 We aren't Theravadins. We are suttavada. We only go from the suttas. When you practice in this way it works regardless of anyone's view about it. One experiences cessation and the fetters start to drop. You can ask the students what happens in their mind. I understand the sceptism, its healthy, but listen to those who have practiced it and then decided. Or try it and then decide. This is the same battle the Buddha fought when he rejected all of the hindu/yoga meditation styles.
@@davidjohnson8218 everyone follows the sutras, except sautrantiks is far superior at identifying ignorance for the reasons i stated. from sautrantika on up those who doesn't know how to posit negations without necessitating that they are functioning things can barely be considered buddhadharma. the only reason you are not a hindu and are barely buddhist is because you assent to the 3 marks of existence in a very coarse way as i described. far inferior to the subtlety of the 3 marks of existence that sautrantikas accomplish. this were old ancient lineages that existed alongside theravada there is no point whining that your cognition of the 4 arya truths is very weak relative to them. study the scholarship, but you will be made too soon so stick around
@@backwardthoughts1022 Have you actually practiced meditation?