How NOT To Stall Your Motorcycle / Friction Zone Clutch Training
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Quick question would mean.a lot if u could answer just passed the msf course 3 weeks ago went out bought a brand new Honda rebel 500. As u can guess not much practice under my belt so here's the question
When you ride normally do you keep your fingers over or under the clutch?
On the course they told us to always cover your clutch but it feels more stable to have your left hand on the bar instead.
Would love an answer,
Under or Over the clutch?
@@koufax3739 keep hold of the bar, much more stable
This is one area I think MSF courses should spend more time on. I struggled so much in this aspect making errors stalling thinking I had to squeeze the living F out of the clutch.
Literally me today at MSF I was so frustrated
@@kellygprofessionalsame I just had the first day of my msf course and I stalled so much 😭🤣 I was so good following behind bikes in line but as soon as I had to go I would stall
Looks like a green screen
It was
Iys because he is using a 360 camera
because you can't see the shadows
I was thinking the same thing! Lol. I think it’s because 1) the camera quality 2) the shadows, must have recorded it around noon or early afternoon and 3) his tires match the asphalt pretty closely
It's that magical Nevada sky
Good to know i stalled 7 times my first motorcycle ride haaa i do much better now
Those are rookie numbers 🤣
I just rode for my first time today and I have day two of learners class tomorrow and even the instructor said I gotta be smoother and im getting kinda confused on what I keep stalling but im 9/10 sure it’s because my clutch ti throttle is too slow. I stalled way to many times to count. I got better towards the end. All I know is I HAVE TO keep practicing sucks that I don’t have a motorcycle at all to practice with. But hey takes time. I’m trying my best and I’m having fun, giving it my all and still being safe, and I’m seeing improvement. But never can learn to much so any tips would be REALLY helpful on what to watch out for.
@@Kutenian true
@@ste4lth147 I'm in the exact same spot as you when you posted this comment, I'm taking my learners classes with an instructor right now, and I'll have my test in a about a month
I am going to conquer this frickin friction zone!!! Thanks
My instructor never really went over adding throttle as I'm releasing the clutch so I stalled a lot.
Guys just throttle a tiny bit as soon as you feel or hear the engine engaging. Very easy to get but realistically you'll be stalling VERY often either way.
Thanks for doing these beginner video's they helped me alot this weekend when i took and passed the MSF course. Instructor liked them too when i showed him one.
Awesome! Thank you for sharing the video
@@DanDanTheFireman you're quite welcome. :3
I'm tanking my license in Europe and I've just had my worst lessons, stalled going up a cliff with a bus and 3 cars behind me, the motorcycle i was using is very old and the gearbox got stuck between first and neutral, couldn't go anywhere until i put it in second and first again. After that, i was seriously nervous as it's been like 2 minutes of me trying to start the bike. So I stalled again, almost dropping it in the process. This video helped me knowing I'm not the only one, and for anyone reading this, try to beat my fuck up xD
Oh my god that sounds so stressful! I just stalled going uphill to the right from a stop, with a sharp curve to my left and people flying around it going 50. I was so scared but I got goin eventually
From one firefighter motorcyclist to another, we know the dangers of riding. I recently upgraded to a bigger bike, I can't even begin to count how many times I've stalled it, getting used to it still. Been riding for roughly 4 years, started on a 250 which was perfect, I feel like I was fully confident of my capability and the bikes capability. Upgraded to a Suzuki Boulevard C50t, It's a lot different than my old bike. Just like in the fire service, you're always training and learning. I believe that you should never stop learning when riding motorcycles. I find myself trying to read the "body language" of cars and an escape route if they try to take me off my 2 wheels. I've seen how people react when a firetruck is hauling down the road and they don't know what to do. It has scared me to ride a few times but I usually always hop back on. I've been on a few bike accident calls and heard stories and that terrifies me. I'm glad that I got my license through the MSF course, I have learned a lot and would like to take the advanced course. As always, ATGATT.
Anyway, stay safe brother.
I was told that the Grom has one of the hardest friction zones. I learned on a grom for my msf. Your bike here, you hardly pulled out your clutch at all and you got moving. Wow - really short friction zone compared to the grom. I had to pull the clutch out about 3/4 of the way to hit friction zone on the grom.
I'm a learner and am loving the way you are explaining how to ride. Fantastic!
thank you. I have already made it a habit to look for your videos whenever i have a question or want to check my 'bad' habits :)
Thanks for all the videos Dan, learn something new from each one!!!
New rider here and in the middle of my BRC. We talked about the friction zone but there was little practice with it. We did power walking but the bike we used required throttle to get it going, so learning the friction zone didn't happen so much.
Great help bro thanks to your video I got a hang of clutch control.... Love it
What a gorgeous clean and surfaced parking lot!
This is a great thing to practice. I took the MSF course after having my bike for a few months. At first this was going to be a dumb exercise, I was wrong. Good for anyone to practice. I haven’t stalled since.
Thanks for this had my very first ride on 1 a few days ago and I lost count how many times I stalled, I'm having another go at weekend and I think this will help
The best coach ever!!!
I am new to motorcycles this really helped me thanks
Great video mate 👏🏻
Great video thanks, just bought a 2020 ninja 650
Dan. Watching all your videos. Love the training.
I just took the first day of the MSF course and I SUCKED at the speed of which I let go of the clutch. Lots of stalls. I didnt even know you dont even have to give it gas to start rolling from first. This is a game changer.
To shed some light I have NEVER touched a bike before today and I was told I was doing good for my first time ever.
I've been riding electric motorcycles and a DCT for the last year-and-a-half, I just picked up a little 150 last. 5 speed. I got my license on a clutch bike, but I've never been very comfortable on a clutch. Just took a few spins around my neighborhood, got it up to 50, going up through the gears and down is super easy, but starting in first and not stalling has been difficult. I decided to put a video on and yours is the first one that popped up and I didn't even think to just practice letting the clutch out without giving it gas and finding that zone, I just didn't even think about that possibility, thank you so much, that just solve the problem for me. Can't believe I didn't think to do that.
I keep stalling mine thanks for the really good explanation
Great vid thx bro
Great explanation!
I appreciate all your material, you are filled with knowledge. Yesterday was the first time on a motorcycle ,I did horrible,I kept stalling when i released the clutch. Then one time I almost had it. my question to you is...when I get going,if Come to a uturn, should I pull in the clutch and find tge friction zone a second time???
👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿 I just got my bike and I am still going to get lessons before I take it out
Thank you 🙏
After riding a Harley road glide with a super smooth throttle and clutch, no troubles in the zone.
I bought a Suzuki 1000 v strom and the friction zone and throttle feel so touchy and harder to get a handle on.. I just need to keep practicing
Thank you
I'm glad I found your channel Dan. I'm learning alot. Slowly pulling my bike out the garage day by day. Your videos have boosted my confidence drastically. I'm still not ready to take her on city streets. But you will one day make that possible for me. God bless you and I hope you stay safe brother.
take an msf course
@@Luv-dq5th already did. I'm taking her to work and back now 😊
The camera setup plus you, the bike and background looks awesome
Thanks brah!
Tru, it looks like a moving picture
Amazing angle
Love the Honda!
I’m gonna practice this on MY Rebel later today.
Practice like you play.. YES COACH!
Could have done with watching this loads of times. Failed my CBT today instructor said I nailed everything but I kept stalling the bike when pulling away from standstill not all the time but enough for him to be concerned he was very patient and went over it a few times, he even gave me extra tuition after everyone else had gone and said he really wanted to pass me but on last ride stalled again at two junctions and he said it wouldn't be fair to pass me without proper clutch control.😢
I didn't pass for the same thing. I have been on a school lot practicing
@@trishm314 I keep feeling like it's not meant to be...failed CBT first time then had my DAS booked for this year but cancelled because if lockdown 😫
@@trishm314 I went back three days later and nailed it. I think nerves got the better of me on the first try. I'm sure you'll do great next time 😊
Yes I will keep working on it at the parking lot at the school by my house.
What is CBT?
“Now if I let it go all the way I’ll start moving, but I’m not gonna do that because I don’t have my helmet on.”
Honestly thank you for that Dan, I know it was a small thing but as someone who lost someone very close to them in a motorcycle accident this past year who didn’t wear a helmet it’s such an important lesson to put out there that if your moving on a motorcycle, you need to have a helmet on. You’re a good man, thank you for what you do and for teaching people on how to safely ride.
Have had my bike 2 days and the stalling problems are real
You picked a great background to give away free game.
Excellent! Thanks for the info!! Novice here.
I just got my first bike and it's a kickstart. Makes it so much more of a punishment when I stall. Haha
Got my test tomorrow!!! Need to stop stalling on the bike!!!
Hey Dan, are you riding the dark side front and back? Thanks for the FZ instruction.
hey you might not notice this comment but I've become in love with your videos! Def keep up the quality content. Loyal sub here!
I don’t know much about bikes (obviously I’m watching a video about how to not stall) but I love the look of that bike
My bike has a feature called GTT or Glide Through Technology. Simply put, it takes friction zone to another level. If you slightly let out clutch and engage the friction zone, the bike ecu will maintain a steady speed of 7kmph in 1st gear, 11kmph in 2nd gear and so on. It is a very intuitive feature for scenarios like traffic jam in a metro city. The ecu is smart enough to maintain the said speed with a pillion as well, and while climbing a slightly elevated surface. I can't tell whether it will work in hilly areas.
A similar thing will happen with any engine that actively governs its idle speed. If you apply a load, the engine will add more power to maintain constant RPM instead of maintaining constant power (what most engines without ECUs do) and stalling.
@0:16 AMEN! THATS WHERE IVE BEEN FOR THE PAST 3 DAYS ON MY LOVELY CBR
i got my first bike today and not only was i stalling on my way home, it was pouring down rain, hopefully with this advice ill get better with time
Same thing w me
This right here is what I am so nervous about with learning to ride for the first time.
Hey not sure if you’ve ever tagged the engine sliders you installed, but could you tell me where you bought them and which ones you got because I’m been having a hard time finding good ones. Thanks!
What a Monster
Did my first motocycle class today… I was having a hard time finding the friction zone on the bike I was using.. i even dropped the bike 😂
I need help with when should I start dropping gears when slowing down/coming to a stop? I feel like I change gears too early as when I change gears the bike jumps and it at high revs!
It definitely does
What kind of gloves do you have!m? I like them.
What bike is that, nice ride!!
Highway to the Friction Zone!
When your bike is already moving from 1st gear. Then you want to shift from 1st to 2nd gear. So you pull the clutch, do you need to find the friction zone everytime you shift gears or when you're just on full stop? sorry for the noob question.
Ehat is thr little keychain thing you have hanging on the left side of the bike ? If i might ask ?
Awsome
Just taught me something,,I've always thought that in order to take off in 1st gear you needed to give throttle while easing off the clutch lever🤦🏽♂️so basically you can just ease of the clutch lever to make it start going👍👌
Have you been doing this? Releasing clutch slowly then once it’s open all the way applying the throttle?
@@Exe.6000 yes I've been messing up👨🦽♿️😆😅🤣trying to throttle and release the clutch at the same time🤦🏽♂️instead of easing off the clutch first and then throttling
i have a doubt.should i give some throttle while the bike is in friction point or after the clutch has passed the friction point?
quick question for the professionals, when coming to a stop at a stop sign or a light, do i apply the clutch in first gear or put it in neutral then go when its my turn ( kawasaki ninja 300 just in case its important)
Nice boots - where they from?
Do you have anything on hills?
Question: Is it necessary to add a little bit of throttle while releasing the clutch to start 1st gear or can I always just slowly ease off the clutch and then give it throttle AFTER clutch has been released and the bikes in motion? Which is the ideal method or does it not make much difference?
Thanks in advance to any bike expert out there who can answer my question. Cheers.
Slickcow 101 yes add throttle when releasing the clutch, once you get familiar
This is necessary during a kickstart at traffic stop.
It depends on the bike, and depends on the situation. Some bikes require very little throttle in the parking lot. However in traffic yes you will want to give it some amount of throttle.
@@aust4105 keeps happening to me and its embarrassing people's keeps honking at u
Give it more throttle than it needs and less clutch.
This is my biggest issue
Dan Dan Dan!!!
wooo
I have no issues with the friction zone on my R1 but for some reason on my Street Glide with the M8 and hydraulic clutch I have a funky time finding neutral and the friction zone. The friction zone on the Harley is when the clutch is completely open all the way. Smh. My buddy have a 2015 Street Glide with the cable clutch and I have no problems on his. What makes the hydraulic clutch so sensitive and neutral soo hard to find?
Say I ride a motorcycle with less power on the engine like a 150cc backbone bike, (Cheaper and typical in my country) if I stay on the friction zone, will it still keep on moving? Is it gonna be powerful enough to run on its own?
I know it’s an old video but… does anybody know what gloves is he wearing ??? They look amazing !
What will happen when bike is moving (not at the stop position) I let go the cluch? Will that stall bike?
Are you in Northern Arizona? Looks beaaautiful there!
Do you have the governor turned up on that bike? My yamaha will not run without giving it a little gas.
Why is it easy for me to find the friction zone when im going to a straight direction with my bike? But i find it difficult to find the friction from zone idle and doing a sharp turn to start moving?
Because your arm is in a different position while you are turning. The friction zone does not change on the bike, only your arm position does...
More power needed to turn
0-20. New bike yesterday
We need some tutorials how to start Uphill with on moto
I have a CBR 1000RR once I am in first going no throttle about how fast should the bike be going mph. Is there an average for most bikes. Mine is 8 mph no throttle.
Those boots??? Where can i find them?
How can i get a pair of those boots?
I like your boots.
Thank you! Icon 1000 Elsinore Boots
My bike stalls if I let out the clutch slowly. How are you idling with no throttle input whatsoever? Not fully releasing the clutch?
what brand and type this motor,?how cc and hp?
Thanks
What if my bike doesn’t move in the friction zone? Yamaha YZF 600 thundercat. Low idle speed?
I’m still new and I have my helmet, boots and gloves right now. I’m looking into buying my next piece of gear and I was wondering in your opinion what would be the more important purchase between a jacket and riding pants. I’d rather spend my money on one good piece of gear than buy both and cheap out on them. Thanks!
jackchase79 Well most of your organs are in your chest and a nice jacket can protect your spine so...
MrOnyxHD sooooo..... thanks!
Mainly make sure they have all the pads.
Definitely a jacket. The chest is where all the vital organs are. Limbs are (in comparison) expendable.
I found it difficult when I'm sitting up hill. I sometimes stall out.
what kind of mirrors do you have on your bike?? i like them a lot
Aaron Krejci those are stock for the rebel 300 and 500
When I fully release the clutch, my bike dies on me but slowly, any reason why? I know you said you can let go of the clutch and idle completely
New rider. My bike unfortunately isn't the best beginner bike. It wont let me use any friction zone at idle. I have to keep it at 2k rpm and then it drops when I enter friction zone so I have to give it even more throttle. Currently practicing u turn and it's very hard with this.
Mine don’t let me just idle no matter how smooth I do it unless I’m doing it too slow..killed it like a million times just trying to. It’s converted to a 1250. HD Sportster.
What bike is that? :o
will putting to much throttle or not enough throttle also stall you?
My husband says I’m burning out my clutch playing with the friction zone. Today was Bad😢 I stall out when I slowly release the clutch. My zone moves too. Anyways, I preloaded w/ throttle and must have let the clutch go too fast or had my rpm’s up too high. She shot like a bullet, dragging me along which made me pull the throttle more‼️I don’t know how I got her to stop, didn’t drop her and didn’t hurt myself. It scared me so bad that when I tried again I just shut her off and pulled all my gear😢 I have a beginner class in a couple weeks. This was my 6th time on her and I am feeling defeated. I don’t feel in control and that is my fear! Any tips on getting going (in control)
I’m not sure if you conquered your fear but apply some throttle (2000 rpm should be enough) while holding the clutch. Then slowly let go, not all the way. Then once you got some momentum to put up your feet. Let go of the clutch and apply speed if you want :))
i got a 125 cc bike and it wont go in the friction zone, can you tell me why?
Where’s them boots from?!
So, do I need to use throttle when releasing clutch or after releasing?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. Is he using the throttle at all or just releasing the clutch?
@@tyronnowlin1099 on a medium size bike while your about half way through letting the clutch out is when you slowly start adding throttle.
Most bikes will move on their own without adding any throttle if you gradually let out the clutch. The idle of the bike will typically sustain the momentum. In regular riding I do it as Im releasing.