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The Forgotten Half Vietnamese, Half Korean Children from the Vietnam War | LAI DAI HAN
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2020
- From 1964-1973, South Korea joined the American forces to fight the Viet Cong and threat of communism overtaking Vietnam. The South Korean army enjoyed a heroic reputation for their role in the war until 1999 when a Korean researcher was given a document noting supposed atrocities committed by the Korean troops, including brutality against civilians and massacres. Since then, the children who resulted from gender violence against Vietnamese women by South Korean soldiers - the Lai Dai Han - have been living on the outskirts of Vietnamese society and now are raising their voices for justice long overdue.
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Have you heard of the Lai Dai Han before?
Yo i am learning history in my class and my teacher highlighted the difference between Comfort Women and Lai Dai Han.
Lai Dai Han was committed by soldiers and troops without the knowledge and consent of the Korean Government or even the captain of the squad. So if you demand an apology, demand it from the soldiers who raped these poor women.
Japan on the other hand, was officially ORDERED by emperor to forcefully enslave one women to 70 soldiers. And that is why Korea is demanding apology from the Japanese governemnt since they were involved in it.
The Korean government on the other hand had NO involvement in it, it was out of their control, like how on earth would they know their soldiers raped a women if they didnt report it.
Nevertheless the soldiers who raped them probably died by now, or even if the Korean government try to investigate, the old veterans probably back each other up as they wouldnt want to betray one another.
Unlike Vietnam, Korea is NOT A SOCIALIST country and they cant just purge or torture their veterans to own up.
And also you brought up the WORST korean politicians as examples. That is pure biasness man. Lee Myung Bak is a corrupted president who is in prision in Korea now for embezzlement -.-
In short, i hope both nations will resolve their problems and progress together.
Korea has been helping Vietnam's development by building infrastructures.
Take Samsung for example.
You are not Korean, you are American brought up in America! Who gave you the right to talk about Korea when you don't belong to Korea! Foreigners go back to your country
South Koreans say to the Japanese, "A people that forgets its history has no future.
If that assertion is correct, South Koreans should not forget the history of their ancestors' massacres and rapes in Vietnam.
Although South Koreans make excuses that they have repeatedly asked the Vietnamese government to apologize for these war crimes but have not been accepted, such sophistry is unacceptable.
The victims and their families should be compensated individually in the form of donations.
Just as Japan has done for South Korea.
Because the relationship between the perpetrator and the victim will not change in a thousand years.
The SKorean government doesn't deny it but acknowledges it.
SKorea was a mercenary army. It was there on behalf of the US as a client state of the US. SKorea didn't participate in the Vietnam war out of its own volition. In the 60s and 70s, SKorea was a dictatorship and a Washington puppet state.
The ROK government lied and now tries to play dumb about these crimes against humanity. While the Vietnamese government is mostly mum themselves because they want to foster friendly economic ties with South Korea. Also the fact that they won probably lessens the sting. Still the survivors of rape and relatives of the murdered are still alive, as many of the perps are too I imagine. The victims should get the justice they deserve.
There’s also a bunch of Kopino’s in the Philippines. Filipino-Korean children abandoned by their Korean fathers. Most of them stop contacting their families and stop providing them any form of support. The Sungkyun Times have called this the new Lai Dai Han in 2016.
Something to consider would be the fact that illegitimate childbirth actually happens at a rate of 52% in the Philippines and the rate goes up as high as 63% in the capital city Manila. Foreign men are not behind the majority of these births, but even then there's also the fact that when it comes to these cases, there's inherently more responsibility on the Filipina women themselves than the men whether foreign or domestic because of the fact that there cannot even be a 1:1 correspondence between the sexes when it comes to these kinds of cases. Kopino itself is a misnomer since halfpinos of almost any nationality are very common.
Since the late 90's Korea had contributed a very large amount of tourists to the Philippines as well as a decent number of long term expatriates. There's less Kopinos than there are Amepinos, Japinos, Aussiepinos, and whatever other pinos despite South Koreans being the single largest group of tourists in that nation. Of course I'm gonna get downvoted though because of what it sounds like I'm implying, but I'm just conveying the factual information that goes over most people's heads when they make sweeping statements.
See: news.abs-cbn.com/focus/06/30/14/after-amerasians-and-japinos-who-are-kopinos
South Korea was already the largest tourist group in the Philippines by 2003, yet there were only around 1000 Kopinos at the time. The numbers only started increasing ever since they started pandering to Korean tourists. Yet still Kopinos are less in number compared to 50,000 Ameripinos and 200,000 Japinos and the countless number of other hyphenated pinos.
@@user-yq3hj6wq1g is it that easy for some Filipino women to accept a tourist relationship? I'm curious because I'm also half fifinino
@@arelpurna737 fifinino?
@@user-yq3hj6wq1g true though. I live in the Philippines and my closest friend is a Japino. In the end its not the Japanese government to be responsible but as my friend says, both parents rather as individuals. They made their bed, now they lay in it
@@user-yq3hj6wq1g Tourists don't include military personnel. It's amazing that there are 30,000 Kopinos compared to 50,000 Ameripinos when you consider how many hundreds of thousands of American soldiers, American sailors, and American Marines have been stationed in the Philippines over the course of several generations and how often those guys go to girly bars.
I love listening to these kind of topics. I'm just a regular Philippine citizen, but have grown interested learning about cultures, history, and all that. I'm actually working right now while I let this play on background. Please keep releasing good informative contents! Thank you!
And they talk to japan make them have to sorry LoL
Please search for *_"Justice for Lai Dai Han"_* .
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
As a Vietnamese, i can tell you that over 90% young generation (genY, Z) don't know about this. Although we still have memorial area (Who know?) but your history class tell you nothing. Even the term lai dai han i can only found out when studied in Japan (ライダイハン). Govements of both side did a good job to bury it down. Until recently when we had a small controversy with Korean about covid19, many things was spilled out on facebook when a lot of people came from Central Vietnam told about their story. But that's just ended quickly as many other controversy during the pandemic. Whoever love Korean still love Korean, a small group against them and the rest major just don't care.
im half korean and I am very sorry to any victims they have every right to hate korean government and militaries, but I really want vietnam to stop burying it down and request a apology and korea to give a more sincere apology then the apology that president moon made which wasnt as sincere as it should have been. I hope korea like japan apologizes (even if its way longer then it should be like japan) givesa apology and donates to vietnam
@@yeshello1567 Japan has already apologized. You mentioned that Korea has already apologized with president moon. In what way was it not "sincere" enough? Constantly demanding for a country to apologize for past actions only stifles relations and is used as an excuse to stoke toxic nationalism.
Koreans can't cancel themselves? Haha not all. But those who experienced the trauma back then needs at least an acknowledgement from the Korean people. In the end, it takes one to know one, huh?
Yep, mass rape and shooting are true. I grew up in central of Vietnam, where I have been told many stories of nasty wrongdoings (most of them are my neighbours). Young generation doesn’t know, media and films are covering the truth. I feel sick when Korean movies visualise their soldiers like life-savers only bringing goodnesses to Vietnamese. How hell these soldiers are proud of what they did to help Korean economy? No apologise from Korean people and government.So Korean, forget Japan’s apologise. Know the truth, and move on like Vietnamese did.
One things i wanted to say specifically when left party won the election president do apology to Vietnam. But that also challenge vietnam’s victorious country positioning and also challenge USA’s momentom. But i think that is also true that still there are prlenty of ways to Korea conduct those issues but only let private organization figure that out. The participation of vietnam war is nothing more than business to be honest there are no democracy no fighting for freedom, but just cover the truth under name of those.
SK apologized to Vietnam, but Vietnamese gov't refused.
Wow! Thank you for covering this topic!
Thank you very much for your podcast😊. It׳s the first time I've heard about this topic, so interesting ! Keep on making these kind of videos !
This is very informative and something that i have never heard of, this made me want to know more about Lai Dai Han. Thanks alot!
You are a courageous person.
LAI DAI HAN is a taboo in Korea.
I agree with your opinion.
dear Becky-I love your channel and your posts. always so instructive
I never even knew South Koreans having any involvement with the War in Vietnam and this mass RAPES feel sick whenever I watch topics like this being TRUTH
I am old enough and lived through the war to know this had happened, only the people over 55 in South Vietnam had heard and known about it. The younger generation mostly never heard or read anything like this. Like you just said, both the governments tried to hide this story but there still some evidences and Lai Đại Hàn people are still there.
I even knew a boy at that time, he's younger than me about 5 years old but he is Lai Đại Hàn. And this was very true that most of the mixed-race Vietnamese no matter what race was always discriminated after 1975 when the war ended. Nowadays, Vietnamese society has changed but back in that time, it was hell for them.
Very good story and I was surprised you talked about the forbidden story.
Thank you for sharing this and your thoughtful insight. It's sad to see this get swept under the rug but it's also good to see efforts trying to highlight and make amends to the victims from these atrocities. I think for any group of people/ethnicity/culture to remember the history not just as the victim but the oppressor and learn what we can do to make it right for our future.
I am happy to see, watch another video, about the Lai Dai Han, issue, on You Tube, which seems to focus, on the atrocities, that the South Korean militia, and or military, that helped or was contracted by the United Snakes, U.S. military, that started the Vietnam War, in 1955-1975, of the fall of Saigon, IndoChina war, by U.S. losing the war, and pulling out, and Richard Nixon, U.S. president, then who initiated the Vietnam War participation of U.S., Europe, Asia, of U.S. allies, who was fired, Richard Nixon, of losing the Vietnam War, and of the watergate scandel! As a Asian American, pacific islander, I have watched many videos about the Lai Dai Han, on You Tube, and websites, including interviews, of some of the Vietnamese women, who were raped, by the South Korean soldiers, in Da Nang, and birthed children who are the Lai Dai Han, South Korean Father, and Vietnamese mother! The issue, I have with only focusing on the South Korean government, asking for reparations of the Vietnam War participation, is that the so-called white man, white supremacists, are the spider, not the spider web, that should be blamed, and caused the Vietnam War, Richard Nixon, and the United States federal government, which I think Vietnam should ask for reparations for the Vietnam War! As much as sympathetic as I could be as a Asian American, many of the South Korean soldiers who were interviewed on the korean documentaries, and some other videos, the South Korean soldiers stated that after the Korean War, 1950-53, food was scarce, and working with the U.S. military, as South Korean military soldiers, the South Koreans can eat beef, decent food, which was scarce even in the 1950s-60's, and 70's in South Korea. The many videos, I have seen about the Lai Dai Han, also showed South Korean church, and or ministry groups, setting up a vocational training center, for the Lai Dai Han, which they could learn electronics, engineering, sewing, and trips to South Korea, to learn of their father's heritage of South Korea. I do not agree with being called a halfie, or mixed, if your father is South Korean, and your mother is Vietnamese, whether this was a rape, or a consentual relationship, the father carries the DNA, sperm around 94.5 percent, or more, and the mother just has the egg, or ovum that is penetrated by the sperm with the DNA. A South Korean father, and a Vietnamese mother would still make the child or Lai Dai Han, a South Korean, or North Korean child, even though, the child was born, and raised in Vietnam by the Vietnamese mother. I believe the most recent count of the Lai Dai Han and the descendents, grandchildren, children, parents, male or female, range from 100,000 to 130,000 living in Vietnam, U.S. or even in China, and South Korea, according to the South Korean documentary, and or U.S. interview of Lai Dai Han, and Vietnam census. I wish the Lai Dai Han, meet their South Korean father's family, and or father if he is still alive, and get reparations from the U.S. government, U.S. military involvement, European, Nato forces, who started the Vietnam war the white supremacists, and from the South Korean government.
Wow this is such an interesting topic that I have always wanted to hear/ discuss! I came to know the Korean “diaspora” because I have some Korean-ethnic friends who grew up in China and Kyrgyzstan! So it’s so good you touched this topic in this video!
Yup this is something new that i don't even know about. This was interesting.
U know when youtube and google didn't pop up suggestions about this it's verboten. SK is ally of USA remember
survivors deserve apologized from the south korean government. while they were so loud asking for apologized from Japan. know your history,stop being denial, you are not the only victims. look around.
@민달팽신 thank you. many of my people in my country was also being denial for some historical fact about massive genocide, humanity. we learn together, we learn from history🙏🙏❤️❤️
vietnam government should demand a apology but they dont care either. It is just sad that both government cover up this situation and dont care about the 5,000 to even 30.000 victims
japan's comfort women was bad but it is still hypocritical of south korea to not care about their own history either
That's a Nipponese fascist propaganda.
Thanks Becky, this video is very educative
Thank you for sharing this. I did know about this story before but the Vietnamese government have never told about it in the media (because of economic reason I believe). I think it should be an official apology from Korean side as least as what Korean request Janpanese to do. Many of them are really old by now and they need a compensation.
This is a lot...wow...thanks for the awareness update.
Vietnam's own Ministry of Culture and Communications estimated the ROKA killed 41,400 North Vietnamese Army soldiers and 5,000 civilians.
5,000 civilians aren't a number you can ignore. But the NVA deathsquads alone killed tens of thousands of South Vietnamese civilians in occupied territory (around 30,000-40,000), and the U.S. killed well over a 100,000 civilians (up to 180,000 or so) in a single bombing campaign - Rolling Thunder.
If anything, most people, foreign and domestic (Vietnamese), who had contact with both communist and allied forces agree that on average the ROK forces were the most well disciplined and organized, and the most willing to help out actually do constructive things other than military operations.
The United States investigated claims of ROK atrocities, as did the modern government of Vietnam, but most of them ended up being exaggerated or outright false. I personally can recount at least 3 massacres that the South Korea forces did commit, but on average they committed far, FAR less than the U.S. army, the South Vietnamese forces under Van Thieu, and especially the North Vietnamese Army (they massacred far more than even the Americans in non-combat situations). What's really strange was that in some of the initial accusations of South Korean violence against Vietnamese populace, they accused South Korea of using bombers, poison gas, and military dogs - stuff South Korea didn't even have. The only real crime that occurred frequently with South Korean soldiers were their involvement in the black market to acquire guns and supplies (the U.S. was supposed to handle that, but largely gave WW2 surpluses and old M1 rifles).
And this is an important point: We have accounts from former U.S. soldiers that worked with the ROK forces such as a former helicopter pilot with the White Horse division that states that the South Koreans were not only far more strict in terms of leisure and illcit affairs, but couldn't afford it. The average ROK soldier couldn't afford to frequently go out on drinking parties, let alone prostitution.
The sale of drugs, prostitution, and etc's main customers were the U.S. GIs. The most common South Korean involvement on the black market were basic supplies for combat and logistics (guns, food, medicine, etc.) since the U.S. would send them off to the most violent and dangerous areas but wouldn't even supply them with sufficient M16s.
In terms of civilian massacres, North Vietnam routinely raped and massacred more Vietnamese (mostly South Vietnamese) than ROK forces ever did in each military operation, and the major Viet Cong operations were rarely above several division in strength - at most equal to and usually less than the size of the ROK detachment. Heck, one of the counters by 최명재, the commander of ROK forces, was that NVA deathsquads and guerillas would kill or abuse South Vietnamese civilians under disguise, then blame it on ROK forces. It's still a sore point for many South Vietnamese; the fall of Saigon was followed with massive executions, property theft/destruction, and rape.
The book "Vietnam War: A Report Through Asian Eyes" written by Katsuichi Honda came out in 1972, and Honda's book primarily covers his wartime correspondence from 1966 to 1968. ROK forces stayed until 1973.
Honda also explicitly mentions consistently that when he was concerned with rumors of ROK atrocities in local areas, he personally visited those villages, but found that they never happened - villages that supposedly had massacres didn't have anyone missing, and so forth. They turned out to be NVA propaganda and Vietnamese fears/rumors of the new ROK forces. If anything, ROK forces were much more popular than American or South Vietnamese government forces in South Vietnam. They built infrastructure (hospitals, houses, roads, bridges) still used today, helped with rice farming, and overall treated the Vietnamese populace with a measure of respect. American GIs on the other hand, had a reputation of looking down on them and were far more rowdy, even if they paid more money for local businesses, services, & the black market. ROK forces were far less inclined to commit crimes than the South Vietnamese or American soldiers. Honda's account actually praises the ROK not only for their wartime capacity but especially their peacetime operations, considering them the best forces out of all the Allied nations participating. This was unusual because his Japanese associates in Asahi Shinbun were expecting the opposite.
Do you honestly think that the Korean Vietnamese were all byproduct of violence? Call Vietnam's embassy and ask them for the records - the statistics for the Korean Vietnamese born during the Vietnam War included women who had relations with Korean civilian workers there (i.e. marriage), one-night stands, etc.
Nice fact check.
Wow that was a long winded defense of massacres and rape. So the babies who were bayoneted and the women who had their breasts sliced off by ROK soldiers at Phong Nhi and Phong Nhat were all just Vietcong. Given the ROK military's tendency to kill their own people at the time I find that doubtful. People tend to forget South Korea was effectively a fascist dictatorship not till 30 years ago.
Also activists in Vietnam have been very critical of how their government has tried to sweep this under the rug. Modern Vietnam in the interest of fostering economic relations has been willing to let these massacres slide.
@@maiidegeese5052 did we go there to have fun or to have a war with those who frequently posed themselves as civilians? Stop living in your fantasy world man.
Wow, I have no idea! I’m sure many don’t know this! Thanks for raising the awareness
The mods of the Korea subreddit will permaban you immediately if you say any of this on the Korea subreddit. You can only talk about war crimes where Koreans were the victims.
imagine going through your whole life struggling without a dad (im not saying families cant function with no father but life is tough for single mums post war), discrimination from your bloodline and go online to see people invalidating your existence and defending imperialist war crimes🤔😐 women deserve better we really do
You are 100% right!
wooow this is the first time I’m hearing of this.... and I learnt about korean history and he vietnam war but this never came up. I want to ask my grandmother to see if she knows about this. Do you do podcasts on Spotify?
Some Korean schools teach about it but some dont.
Yes, you can check out our podcasts everywhere :)
As a Korean, I have never heard about the Lai Dai Han and the whole information you just gave us on this video... That would be really really terrible, if it is all true, It would be like the Korean government is doing exactly the same thing in a way how the Japanese government has been responding with the comfort women situations. :( I hope also the Korean government would do investigations as you said, even just to check if it is all true and start taking proper actions for the people who are the victims. Thank you for brining up this topic!
it's just like a fact that doesn't really need any government to "investigate" whether if it true or not. prostitution and rape during the wars time are most likely happened to any country that got invaded/occupied or whatever it might be.
I must bring a different perspective in terms of comfort women in WW2 you may never heard of.
Comfort women is way too dramatically described and greatly advertised to make advantages in diplomatic interests.
Were comfort women prostitutes?
Yes, it may sound offensive but there are written evidences.
Did they want to do it?
I bet no. No one wants to do prostitution.
Did they need to do it?
Under some circumstances they may have needed to. In the end it is the only way you make money if you're in a destitute.
Were they deceived?
Potentially.
But by whom?
Japanese military?
I don't think so. There were already prostitution in Korea. There were people working there versed with hiring as well. Why would Japanese military do that themselves if they have Koreans who can work for them?
It is my understanding so far.
@OnDEdge 온디에지 : 이러고 산다 ohh, maybe I don't speak english fluently, so it might have caused some misunderstandings when I said that I hope the government would go and investigate if it is all true. I didn't mean to hurt anyone at all. I didn't use the word, investigate or check with a hope that it may prove the whole situations didn't actually happen. just as I listened to what she said, there seemed to be two different statements made by people related to the issues... so I think personally the first step for people to make a right response for an issue is that they should go and check where the issues are addressed. yeah but actually it sounded enough with those whole stories were told on this episode. but it was a whole new information for me at that time and I said those things by just hoping that there would be some right changes and actions made for people who went throught that!
yes! Korea did somewhat apologize but hasnt done anything else to help other then that. I just hope vietnam stops ignoring victims and south korea apologizes again
SKorea is a hyper hypocrite.
yh true!
Oh my god. This is new to me.
My mother is half vietnamese and half white who was born in 1969...
The similarities between Japan and Korea in this situation is striking. Why are people too stubborn to acknowledge their own bad behavior?
Not similar. according to USA official documents those so-called sex slaves according to korean were prostitutes. there is no eyewitness or documents which prove Japan used 200,000 sex slaves. of course Japan used prostitutes though. On the other hand Lai Dai Han is well documented by USA military officially. Massacres commited by Koreans were actually officially well documented. so when you read whatever you have to make sure where is the real official documents. Koreans say , historians say so eyewitnesses say so an so on so on. but there is no documents which proves Japan used sex slaves. only Koreans who wants money have been saying so.
thediplomat.com/2020/05/the-forgotten-history-of-south-korean-massacres-in-vietnam/
As a can-vietnamese, I can say that the scale wasn't as great as comfort women back in japan colonialism (as a lot of women were east and S-E women). Japan colonialism and French colonialism did affect Vietnam greatly. If a country did something fucked to another country and the latter did something fucked up, it doesn't excuse what the first country did. S-E post WWii was hell.
I'm not saying that Japan and Korea is shit. Except that what they learn in history is not their biggest forte. Vietnam, with their current regime, I doubt really hard that they will teach the kids that and will support korea because of their strong chinese sentiment.
@@sylvienguyen1010
But there is no Japanese Korean orphans.
@@KD-ee3vq bruhhh. In the advent that the forced prostitute/mother killed the children or bore children. It doesn't make the rape less disgusting. Stop using Vietnamese people or their silence to excuse Japanese wrongdoings. It is not the China's population or Vietnam's population fault of not knowing their history because of censorship
Lai Dai Han must have fallen into oblivion but I believe it's part of the history that we all want to forget. They may have at last found
some small measure of peace...that we all seek...... and few of us ever find.
Be confident, soon vietnamese will overcome south korea like taiwan now
I really hope so! Best of luck!
Wish the best for you guys😓
What do you mean by that?
I’m half Vietnamese and half Korean. My family immigrated to Canada in the 70s. I would love to visit Korea one day.
You are welcome in Vietnam too brother
im half korean half laos, my dads parents (who is korean) immigrated to canada in the 1960s, we are kind of similar in that case!
I am Korean. I am very ashamed of the atrocities committed by the Korean military in Vietnam. I apologize on behalf of the Korean military for slaughter and war rape. Vietnam, I'm really sorry.
But many korean people also deny about this haha.. But they keep demand for proper apologize from japan due to comfort woman issue lmao
@@chirlvteo8356 Actually only the old generation Koreans deny this fact. What I mean by old generation is the supporters of Park Jeong Hee who tried to cover up this case. The young generation Koreans know this fact and sincerely feel ashamed of it.
게이야 베트콩한테 뭐하러 사과하노?
@@user-bz5ys2du6r I don’t know how old you are but our generation views things different way. We see human is just human, no matter which political system people are under. So that what is wrong is just wrong by human side.
@@maimai7257 And you should also realize that there is a thing called vietcong propaganda. Why is it that the vietcong government continue to turn down investigations of war crime by Korean government? Why do you vietcongs deny the fact that these people were often dressed up as villagers to trick soldiers and then shoot them? Why is it that you vietcongs deny using child soldiers? Why do you vietcongs always play victim? If you want to be seen as human, then you should follow the geneva convention first.
I'm viet but never heard of this, someone commented about this on a post so I looked it up
There were 300,000 Korean soldiers and made 30,000 was born Lai Dai Han? I do literally say ‘how could you’... They need to start to admit what they did first.
They did admit but not sincerely just like how the Japanese apologized to Korea and many other asian countries.
And all Koreans are taught this at school but the Japanese Education system doesn't teach any war crimes Japan has done.
@@HarimauTigerCat not everyone would understand the word "Lai Dan" but if you ask someone what Koreans did in Vietnam, they would know unless they didn't finish highschool.
@@lukejeong899 yeah, they need to apolgize again it isnt enough
at most it was 30k, at least 5k. No number is confirmed but either way, south korea needs to take accountability
Dại Hàn = 대한, which is half of the full name of the RoK (대한민국)
Hàn Quốc = 한국 = 韓國
As a Korean, I'm sorry for all the atrocities our soldiers have done during the Vietnam War.
I am happy what japan did to koreans after knowing this warcrime
@@potatoboi5780 ur immaturity astounds me
you podcast voice is too quiet!
Have you ever heard Futsukaichi Rest Home where the Korean sexual crime victims had abortion and STD care?
They are not children of South Korean soldiers, but businessmen. only a tiny portion, of their fathers were soldiers.
President Park of South Korea did not encourage Koreans having Crimes Against Humanity during the war in Vietnam is a fact?
It takes one to know one, huh.
Do you have two parents who are both Asian types between southeast and Northern?
First time listening to laidaihan
일정 부분 동의하지만, 조금은 추가해야할 부분이 있어서 적습니다.
한국정부가 이 문제에 대해 큰 열의를 가졌다 보기 힘든 것도 사실이고, 국방부가 특히 이 문제를 외면하는 것도 사실이지만,
한국 사회 전체가 이 문제를 아예 손 놓고 있지는 않습니다.
예컨데 정부차원의 유감표명과 한국 민간차원에서의 지원이 여러번 있었습니다.
심지어 한국 방송사들이 이 문제를 정식 다큐멘터리로 다룬 적도 여러번 있습니다. 뉴스에도 여러번 나왔구요.
유튜브에서만 검색해도 관련 영상들을 찾을 수 있습니다.
근데 정말 황당하게도 '베트남 정부'가 이 문제를 크게 다루고 싶지 않아한다는게 또 하나의 걸림돌입니다.
한국 민간단체들이 조사를 하려고 해도 베트남정부가 협조적으로 나오질 않습니다.
베트남정부는 한국정부의 유감표현 등에 대해 굉장히 미온적 태도를 여러차례 보여왔을뿐더러,
최근 문재인 정부의 유감표현에 대해서도 듣는둥 마는둥 어설프게 넘어가버렸습니다.
아마 승전국의 입장에서 피해자문제를 다루는 게 부담스럽기도 하거니와,
이를 조사하다보면 당시 북베트남의 전쟁범죄도 같이 들어날것이기에,
베트남 정부가 이 문제 다루기를 꺼려하는 것이란 의견이 있습니다.
아무튼 여러가지 이해관계가 얽혀있는 것 같습니다.
What is saying this South Korean
이게 맞지요 민간 차원에서도 계속 다뤘고 정부 차원에서도 여러번 공식적으로 언급했지만 베트남 정부가 승전국으로서 사과를 받지 않는다고 입장을 계속 내놓았습니다 물론 그렇다고 베트남전에서의 지난 과오가 지워지는 것은 아니고 계속 사과해야 마땅하다 보지만요..
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You so cruel. What did Vietnamese people do to your country? Did they bring troops to massacre, kill, and throw bombs at Koreans? You demand an investigation into the crimes of North Vietnam? Their crime was to stand up and fight to escape slavery from France and America and kick their asses out of Vietnam along with the Vietnamese traitors? The Japanese also invaded Vietnam. They and the French forced farmers to uproot rice and plant jute, causing 2 million Vietnamese people to die of starvation in 1944-45. Despite being invaders, the behavior of Korea and Japan towards Vietnam is completely different. That's why Vietnam respects Japanese people more than barbaric Koreans
How about Futsukaichi Rest Home where Korean sexual crime victims had abortion and STD care?
*Korea talks about Comfort women
*Vietnams like wait didn't you rape us?
*Korea sweats
Never happened. Stop making up lies.
@@user-bz5ys2du6r oh sorry 😞 yeah Comfort women and Japanese raping in WW2 never happened too right
@@markyamato2120 No the Japanese were real.
Yes of course we know the term 'Lai Dai Han'. There were many documentaries on Korean television about this. Lai Dai Han would be softer topic in comparison to war crimes that Korean soldiers committed. Whatever the circumstances were, women should not bear an unwanted child by force or for survival. Soldiers are of course responsible for the actions but I believe Korean Government also has the responsibility. The question is, what kind of responsible actions do these people expect from the Korea? What kind of action is Vietnamese Government taking on their behalf? How can two Governments work together to make them more comfortable? What can I do as a Korean citizen to make them feel better?
Thanks for highlighting this marginalized community and historical injustice. Just a point of clarification. You have entirely omitted that the 'Vietnam' War was a civil war between communist North Vietnam and a US-backed South Vietnam (Republic of Vietnam). For better and worse, South Vietnam was modeled after South Korea. Ironically/hypocritically...the current Vietnamese regime has every incentive to bury this past in order to court South Korean investment dollars. South Korea is the second largest foreign investor in Vietnam and has a large Korean expat community in VN. Also, VN (through legimate means and human trafficking) sends many young brides that marry much older Korean men in the rural areas...creating another community of half Korean/Vietnamese children, but in Vietnam. Hopefully, the ROK government will do a better job to embrace and integrate these young people into Korean society.
Lai Đại Hàn (Korean husband, Vietnamese wife) ... Cô Ấy Lai Đại Hàn ... - con Lai Mỹ (American husband, Vietnamese wife) common word in VN is "Mỹ lai" mixed race ...
as of present only the republic of Korea has signed but not Vietnam
Well at least they were still Asians, they could have just moved to different area of the country and said ancestors were from way north China.......way northeast, way up there
Pho phuc lai
Lai is not a perjorative.
진짜 공부 많이 하셔야 겠네요. 라이따이한과 위안부를 동일한 개념으로 보는 것에 할 말을 잃었습니다.
팩트는 아프지만,사살을 기반한 것이다. 아픔을 받아 드려야 발전이 있는 것이다~ 이분들이 화이팅 하기를~good luck~
hi
The soldiers from South Korea all the best US military weapons, choppers, priority airstrikes and all we can eat "KIMCHI" where Korean soldiers not troops find weapons inside the straw huts and ask how did AK-47 get here? Liar! How did weapons get here? Liar!
This channel apparently arbitrarily censors inconvenient comments. It is regrettable that my further fact detailing comment has been hidden from general viewers.. hahaha....
Well to be fair this topic generates heated debate and hate speech on both sides, when you look up other videos about Lai Dai Han or Korea's involvement in the Vietnam War.
You're mixing a few issues to the point where the whole problem with Lai Dai Han becomes unclear.
- There were numerous war crimes, rape, and murder, committed by some Korean soldiers during the Vietnam War. Both governments should identify those soldiers and bring them to justice. This is where your objectivity in the matter ends.
- It's not the same as a systematic comfort-women operation which is a government-run. The Japanese government wants this to be the same to justify their own action during WWII.
- More importantly, Lai Dai Han refers to kids of Korean soldiers and Vietnamese women during the war, not rape victims. The young soldiers are not exactly known to be responsible.
- A mixed-race was not well accepted both in Korea and Vietnam at the time, and even today to a certain degree. It's an Asian thing.
Your intention is well, but the facts behind are very confusing. Again, the majority of Lai Dai Han is not the rape victims, they just want their Korean fathers who abandoned their kids after the war.
she is partly true and the vietnamese mothers are strong and amazing, but the korean government needs ti apologize and vietnam needs to take this more seriously
Bruh... Most of the women were raped.
At the same time Korean troops did their best to avoid workers that serviced non Koreans.
This is true currently also. The sex workers of today does not take non Korean clients.
Non Korean seeking sex workers are forced away from workers that service domestic clients.
Is shows when the early occurrence of HIV in Korean. It was highly contained to these workers and young ladies that interacted with foreign individuals.
I believe your facts are derived from writings from individuals with very narrow view of events.
Also you used the term of genocide the events are far from it. Genocide has a formal aspect. A institution formally concluding a action to eliminate a said group of people. The formal action was US command deciding on destroying villages and taking villagers away from the country side to mitigate Viet cong. Yes this could be interpreted as genocide. The order that you stated genocide it would lead one to believe the Koreans planned it. But then they did participated clearing country side of Vietcong, supposedly.
I agree "genocide" is not the best word to describe the tragedies. I say "massacre" would be better.
But these massacres were not individual war crimes but more organized crime.
See the list of massacres by S Korea. Some of them are massacres of thousands that cannot be done by some individuals.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_South_Korea
When I lived in Cheonho, a Black American co-worker went to the Cheonho red light district, "barbershops," anmas, room salons, etc. He said all South Korean sex workers accept Black men and offer unprotected sex, even to him as a foreigner. He said he had to show up off peak hours so Korean customers didn't see him going in or out though. The HIV rate is really because of bisexual men, sometimes foreign, but often Korean.
Americans and Koreans massacring entire villages was genocide.
Reality: The majority of Lai Dai Han women especially married to South Korea men. Already here in South Korea in thousands. Current situation there are many North Korea and Vietnamese half Koreans in Vietnam. Soon they will be coming or arriving in South Korea.
never saw Korea saying 1 word about it and still bitching about Japanese like you are the only one got occupied by the Japanese
in case you are that type of ignorant: Japanese occupied the whole Asia
*the comment I commended before was removed because of the reference links but you can just Google it and some articles are pretty new just around 2019
@@adrenhoag7259 Yes, I agree. South Korea " Moon Government" is a bitch. Government loves to bitch toward Japan. South Korean people know about the Vietnam War and Lai Dia Han. Many of them are not married to South Korean men in thousands who are here in South Korea already working and married.
@@koreanpeninsula5645 yapp.. no one wants to married the guy that raped them
Learn to speak english.
No Vietnamese that time want to marry a rapist.
It didn't happen. Stop lying.
Comfort women didn't exist then. Stop lying.
Seriously, y'all are a bunch of hypocrites.