Hot take: Casual players only want an overpowered, fast runescape experience from leagues. If this had been Trailblazer 2 with shattered relic fragments, it would have been amazing.
That's a good idea. You can unlock all the regions, quests, bosses and skills, but you won't have enough points to unlock all of it, so plan wisely. And you get to pick your starter two regions (one free and one as part of the tutorial so the new players know how to do it.)
Personally, I feel like Jagex could do a poll or a couple polls to ask about each league and what was liked and disliked about each, since I don't believe they've done this yet. Obviously, accelerated xp is a main reason most people play Leagues, even for a short time. Stop trying to "improve" it or "change" it all together to bring a new, unique Leagues. If the majority don't like something, try to work around not adding it again. Example: In the first Leagues, we had to choose between having unlimited run or not. In the second Leagues, a great fix was that this was not a choice anymore. It was on all unlocks from the start. Most of the community complained about it from the first, and it was fixed in the second. Unfortunately, I missed Leagues 3, so I have no idea if they continued having unlimited run for everyone. Just this one change was amazing. I don't really know what else I could say on this. Shavua tov and lets hope for a 4th Leagues, one that is mostly good rather than mostly bad.
I feel like they could've just reduced the SR cost for bosses and reduced the KC requirements for tasks and I would've been happy. Reducing the costs of the skills takes away one of the funnest parts I've had during the time with this leauge, which was weighing my options between the skills I was going to take in which order. Now, I'll be able to unlock the 5-6 skills I've yet to unlock and have plenty of SR left over, it doesn't feel nearly as rewarding. As far as having restrictions in a league, I agree, but I also don't inherently hate the idea of skill restrictions either. It would've been cool if after we unlocked a few skills, the costs of getting more skills increased, but with the flip side of being able to re-lock your skills again. This would reduce the amount of XP or levels in that skill by X and disable the ability to gain more XP in that skill until you've re-unlock it again, but it makes unlocking other skills cheaper to allow you to switch up if you need to. This would still keep it restrictive in how you play, but in a way that wouldn't softlock you.
I think this is 100% what they should have done, the early game pacing of skill unlocks pre nerf for getting all the skills unlocked was honestly really good in my opinion, its just that if you wanted to unlock quests and bosses you would have to commit to some of the insane 1000kc wintertod grinds. Having the updated kc for WT (i.e. 200, 225, 250 etc instead of 200, 500, 1000), makes unlocking the end game more compelling for those that don't want to get 200m firemaking just to unlock both CoX and ToB. Alternatively they could have just made bosses way cheaper and not changed the cost of skills, this would have been fine too.
Tbh, I think OSRS players have become too in love with the pain of the grind and the pain of restrictions. Leagues has always been a powerfantasy, restricted or not. I love that part of leagues: clean slate, start fresh, rush and overpower anything and than back to the maingame. It's a fun breath of fresh air to me. I recognize people want a challenge, and these people should be heard and taken into feedback for next time (or rebalancing again), but for now let's all just enjoy what we enjoy! I hope everyone has fun playing osrs, leagues or not! :)
I want a group iron leagues on which skills are locked. Or at least there are different path choices so you have to build a party accordingly. Maybe like if you are solo you can unlock it all bs if you are in a group you only can unlock so many skills per person maybe? Almost like a DnD type experience where you build the party to be specialized.
not even a competitive player and i found the cheaper unlocks wayyy to forgiving. went from 5 skills to all of them... Still going to play this B though!
this leagues has been great for me. My friends who are a lot less hardcore about Runescape came back for leagues and skip some of the longer grinds that pushed them away from end game content. I think that Jagex is catering this leagues to the more casual player. This may be due to the influx of newer players that they had at the start of group ironman.
If we’re gunna have fast iron man mode why don’t they just make it a permanent game setting and have people be able to prestige for a cooler icon when then max or something?
I think we see this in a similar way. I'm a bit annoyed that they've decided to take away all the restrictions and make it just fast ironman with supercharged abilities. But at the same time, I'm going to take advantage of all the free renown 🤷♂️
The thought I had upon seeing the point refund was wishing this happened later and with some lore. I think it could have been much cooler to do it with say 3 weeks left to go and have some story about the sage needing more to achieve their plan so the sage was super charging leagues. This way it could have brought players back who had burned out and felt like they had gotten everything they could out of the leagues while still allowing more players to experience the early game puzzle of unlocks.
While I'm still going to be playing Leagues, I do have mixed feelings about the renown rework. Initial reaction was "Great! Now I can actually get all the skills without issue and can now start planning grinds/quest unlocks" But yeah, it really is just going to be fast ironman. And, in general, there's basically one combination of fragments you should use when doing any activity, assuming you have the slots and fragments unlocked. With Trailblazer, I was definitely restricted, but that restriction made my account uniquely mine. The mistakes and accomplishments were both mine. In Shattered Relics, there are literal guides to follow, with RNG determining the main difference between accounts (which fragments are unlocked/at which level)
As a casual but somewhat invested player, I definitely appreciate the renown refund, it just gets what I consider the annoying part of unlocking the skills out of the way -- I want to be able to get to the fun tasks I want to do asap, that I was never able to do in the main game. The biggest issue I have, and it seems almost a universal opinion, is that the task list has some reeeal duds on there. Someone really needs to sit down and put some love into the next list, more creativity and balance (1kc wintertodt should not be the same as killing 1000 lizardman shamans). I think soliciting community task suggestions would be a great idea next year.
I think the update tomorrow will be overwhelmingly successful and revitalize interest in the league. I feel you're vastly underestimating the % of people who are moderately invested and dont fall into the "hyper competitive" or "screw it I quit" groups. Personally very excited
Thinking about it, your are right, @WeSkillNow, about the fast iron man. I miss the first League, i feel that the location restriction unite more players together, make resourses scarce, add more life to the game even for a casual player.
Same. Leagues is the only time of year I play OSRS and I was beginning to think this year was ruined. I don’t have time to grind all these tasks just to unlock the game
It was you Pansy, it’s not even hard. I have a wife, and a new born baby and have only played a little each day. I just didn’t make dumb choices and I’m doing great
@@0010-w7c I have less time than someone with a wife and a baby, I literally haven't even had time to think about logging in so I realized it wasn't the game design I was just too busy to mindlessly click a screen
Why do you keep saying they're 'watering it down' when you yourself admit the system wasn't restrictive at all for people who knew what they were doing? All the high costs did was hurt noobs and anyone who tried to do something other than fairly efficient ironman pathing. Jagex even weirdly tried to punish some ironman routes like WT and Temp even though they all but force you to do stuff like chins. Leagues is fun because: 1. dopamine go brrr 2. relics are fun 3. it lets you access content your main will never reach/is years from reaching 4. the community/unique experiences 5. you get cool ass rewards 6. Important choices that lead to faction rivalries/unique pathing Unfortunately 3 doesn't have that last one. If your main reasons for enjoying leagues are area locking, restricted skills, and unique/stupid accounts then that is the same as standard OSRS! If you want to area lock yourself as a challenge, do it! It seems silly to whine that Jagex didn't autocreate the specific type of snowflake you wanted to play when you can just play it however you want. Leagues 3 is definitely the worst of the 3 and the least designed/thought out but at least the rewards are better than 2. Edit: it's also important to note this leagues is by far the least thought out and most restrictive imo. The crazy bloat on the skills and methods give you very few options that are remotely efficient. I'm really disappointed that your initial choice is beyond meaningless. If you at least had to get a high level or max your combat style before you were allowed to unlock the others, it might have been meaningful. I'm also disappointed there's no factions this round. Leveling up fragments is cool though but no presets or search function/sort by skills cancels out anything cool about fragments.
Absolutely agree. This is clearly the perspective of an experienced player. As a moderately experienced but extremely casual player I've been having a lot of fun. I was mostly frustrated that it feels like unlocking the wrong things could lock you into long grinds to earn enough points to get new content
@@michaelkerley746 yeah honestly a lot of points this league is just running around doing stuff without much skilling. I was really disappointed to unlock temp because I liked the content only to find out it's basically pointless unless you want to grind 100s of games for some reason. My main goal now is just too DH for the mole pet and probably max since I was so close last leagues. Hopefully i don't go 300 dry on a bandos hilt like last time and get demotivated.
You really did hit it dead on, but for people like me who work constantly it is really nice because I can still have fun playing it. I don't find myself feeling behind.
So changing the renown gain/costs is fixing a symptom of the problem I've felt. Which is I was being restricted not by renown, but by what I should spend my renown on to unlock other tasks that were worth my time to do (aka I wanted to actually do) Some skills like agility and magic have lots of easy points and by doing the tasks you are progressing and actively using different aspects of the skill, different courses different spells etc where as some skills like cooking were cook a handful of different foods that you probably should also level you fishing to do. There was so much potential for tasks that required you to cook in different locations etc. The way I've always played leagues is keep the "grinding" to a minimum until I've unlocked higher XP modifiers (so grinding is faster). However this grinding has been compounded this leagues, by making the fragments RNG based and not auto unlocked. what this means is the start was more around unlocking tasks and fragments the easiest way possible. Which wasn't "Fun" for me. Leagues for me has always been about the relics. Even with a 16x multiplier I don't want to play leagues, because that's just grinding for 1/16th of the time. What makes leagues fun is it breaking the rules of Runescape with its relics. Pick your slayer task, teleport back to where you were, double resources and auto banking. We started with basically non of it. I went melee, my starting fragment was I was 20% more accurate with attacks. Like its helpful but not game changing its just helpful. All the game breaking stuff is 20-30hours down the line of running around doing easy tasks. I haven't been excited to tier up yet because what I've wanted to be doing (afking during work) needed Tier 6 to do the most effectively (double gathering and autobanking). So for the first while I was left with mildly helpful fragments and a moderately XP multiplier. There were better ways to "unlock" fragments and relics. Honestly I would have preferred having everything unlocked and sages renown unlocking & upgrading fragments. with 2-3 free fragments to start with and no RNG for them. Side complaint, I've not found any clear information around how to get fragments, skilling is kind of obvious but like is the slayer ones different from combat ones? what about prayer is that only from burying bones? in which case is it better to level up prayer by killing smaller creatures for more xp drops?? because its hard to tell the difference between doing the wrong thing for a fragment and bad RNG
TLDR RNG Fragments is grinding for RNG Fun , Task list is boring and has so much more potential, Front load game changing things to players so it feels different to the normal game.
The thing that would have made this league fantastic for me is if: 1. Fragments didn't just drop for the skill you were using. This is annoying because now if I want to wait to train mining and smithing until I have good relics for it, I have to train them some to get the relics first, and then level them up before continuing. 2. Fragments drops were unique, in that you would get a random effect, with random set effects. This way you would have to work with the drops you get, as opposed to the way it is now, where you will eventually unlock everything. This would make it a lot more complicated, and more like an ARPG, but honestly it would be amazing.
I personally totally agree with you, and may I add. The best part of trailblazer league for me was the Area Restrictions. In leagues 3 you want to do a task, go somewhere etc... there's also 100000000 ppl camping that spot. It is by far the most frustrating thing for me in leagues 3. Specially that every one unlocks everything care free now :(
As to your comment on the complexity of the fragment system I think a parallel can be made to Pokémon type matchups. It’s really hard for a beginner to pick up but with enough experience you know them all. If the league was permanent i think it would become second nature for people to know which fragments made up which set and be able to use the optimal combination of fragments without even looking
I completed 90 quests in the first 5 days of the league thinking that it would help me massively unlocking bosses later on in the league. This is not the news I wanted to hear. To be fair, most of the people who liked being restricted already unlocked most of their skills if not all of them at this point, so making them easier to unlock for the players that are struggling to get open up their game is not actually a bad idea. The problem is more that the ones that have unlocked it will over a hundred renown for free and all the bosses will cost half of what they used to. This will lead to suddenly unlocking 10 new options in a single day for free without having done anything, and it feels kinda dirty. Adding some kind of catchup mechanic is not a bad idea though. What if after 1 week all the skills were halved in cost, but there was no refund, and after 2 weeks all the bosses were halved in cost, but again with no refund?
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! It's so frustrating try to explain my disappointment with the renown refund. People just call you a sweaty no life even though I really dont have many points anyways. You are totally right, it is just "fast iron" mode now...
As soon as people were complaining ON THE FIRST DAY that stuff took too long to unlock I realized I disagreed with the common sentiment for this league :/ Agree with you on here
They had the same issue with clue scrolls last year, the listened to a bunch of people who complained about not being able to complete clues after taking Slayer in tier 4 and it degraded people's choices. Personally I thought the level of challenge between each skill unlock was balanced yet engaging this past week, and I wouldn't have kept playing if it was like the new changes from the start
One thing that would freshen up future leagues dramatically imo is if they just focused on making new content for osrs lol. New content in osrs = new content for a league. For example, for me, I had not touched osrs since the new undead thrall spells had been added and seeing that having a relic focused around it seemed really fun to try. I was curious if you could create a "necromancer" build in runescape and do high level content with it. I actually think creating the concept of "classes" with locking in specific types of relics was what made leagues special. Now it's just runescape with a "talent system" that requires me to change out relics for every activity which actually is getting quite tedious.
The only way I can see Jagex making everyone happy: Adding a Ranked Mode & Casual Mode next time. Hardcore restrictions & maybe a membership/cash prize to compete for Ranked. More open & a fun, laid back experience that still captures Leagues for Casuals. Still promote great prizes, fun times, ect.
remember just because you want the leagues to stay the same doesn't mean you are automatically correct. Just because somehow you enjoy not being able to play half the game's content doesn't mean that's objectively the best way to play the game. if you want to be restricted. You can restrict yourself. Don't force other people to play the game the way you want it to be played. So many people, including myself, didn't play the last leagues because most of the enjoyment of RuneScape is unlocking new and interesting things to do. If by some miracle you believe that Less content is somehow more content I have no problem with that, although it makes absolutely no sense to me. I cannot see how limiting the game to certain skills or areas makes it more fun. It seems to be that a lot of elitist players have chosen what leagues should be forever in their head, and that is a game mode that takes hours of preplanning, very specific and limiting pathways to success, and lots and lots of time to have fun in. I think that is incredibly selfish. Enjoy the game you want to play. Don't unlock certain skills. Don't go to certain places on that map, but don't tell me and thousands of other players that a less tedious and more fun game mode is somehow "dooming" leagues. Remember leagues is a limited-time, non-permanent game mode. Think for a second about how outrageous the position that some of these aforementioned elitists take. Essentially, you want thousands of players to do 300 glorified achievement diary tasks before being able to unlock all the skills. Let alone doing any PVM. How can that possibly be enjoyable? I have to grind for 50 hours before I can grind for another 50 hours to finally be able to start my PVM grind. Are you kidding me? I have talked to so many people about this topic and no one can give a decent answer. If thinking that this limited-time game mode should be played for fun makes me a "casual" then I'm a casual. If what it takes for me to be considered good at the game is to enjoy never-ending, non-fun content just to be able to start the next grind for the next grind then I would rather be casual. The main point of this post is not to tell you the way you play the game is wrong, but to let you know that leagues has changed for the better for the majority of the player base. RuneScape is all about the grind I do agree with that. But the grind itself is the fun part sometimes. When you add another barrier of entry after another barrier of entry to just begin the grind it just seems redundant and it's not fun.
There's too much to type here and at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I enjoyed the idea of a skill lock league, but only if there were actually skills locked. The original balance was thought out to provide a bit of a puzzle, but at the end of the day it was always really easy to unlock stuff. Now that there's absolutely no gimmick left, now we have this pretend lock system that makes us watch a 8 second animation every time we unlock skills. Yaaaay. That's not a terrible thing, but it's always just a reminder that it's meaningless based on the new balance, and for that matter, the original balance too... So I don't think the new balance change is so bad. I think it was always doomed even from the original balance.
Everything outside of the fragments needed for sets is absolutely trash. 800 surplus points. Eight hundred. If you do absolutely 0 questing yourself and buy every unlock and boss. And still this bs gets put through. Edit: and where tf are the exp tasks?!?! Hitting a couple hundred kc at skilling bosses is so much wasted exp.
Honestly I see this leagues as a way to try new content and get used to the mechanics on an easier difficulty thanks to the relics that way I can take on the normal/harder version in the main game later on so Im not bothered and I am still having fun
100% agreed. Most players haven't completed all the content so this fast-paced gameplay is perfect. However, I do understand OP's point. When you have completed all the content in this game, this game mode doesn't sound very fun. You can't make everyone happy. His complaints are valid, but I'm having too much fun to care really.
I feel like a lot of people complaining about the renown on launch didn't really use their brains. I'm not saying plan ahead and go full min max but if you spent all your renown on cooking + tempoross, refuse to grind out 50 kc in tempoross, refuse to get high enough fishing for sharks, etc that's kind of your own fault. Having said that the leagues task menu is an unnavigateable travesty and the wiki page is better but still hard to jump around and get a good look at available tasks which I imagine is very overwhelming to new leagues players. Also I'm basically just doing my route from twisted and trailblazer again but combined this time which is pretty unfulfilling.
I found the league pretty underwhelming, but not because the skills took too much renown to unlock. It really does just feel like fast ironman, which made me just go back to my GIM. I just don't have the motivation to progress in a gamemode where all my progress is getting ashed in 6 weeks when it doesn't fundamentally feel any different from playing my ironman. If it doesn't feel different, I prefer to make progress on the account that actually sticks around. The relic fragments are also deeply underwhelming. Yes, the set effects are stronger, but its still tough to get over the initial reaction of "oh, this thing is useless" whenever I get a relic drop. I much preferred the previous two leagues, personally. I really wouldn't mind a Twisted League rerun in the future with a few balance changes thrown in (like unlimited run being a passive for everyone, not a relic choice)
Personally I don't overly like the skill locking. At least not with the current renown setup so I'm happy about the cost nerf. But hey I'm still having fun and every league has been different so maybe I'll enjoy the next one more. Personally I'd love to see a group league with archetypes. Maybe even just trailblazer group would be cool. But I do personally really like the idea of league making you choose one combat archetype and making you OP in it (like in tb) but still allowing you to use the other styles like normal so that you can experience the content you want to experience.
I think Jagex is torn between people that just want to be an OP character and the competition aspect. I have one foot in both camps so while I am happy that at tier 5 I can get greedy gatherer and personal banker max at the same time I'm a little disappointed that it's just being handed to me. I think for leagues 4 tier requirements should lower over time so people that just want to be busted can hang out and get their kicks and move on while top tier gamers won't even notice because they have tier 7 before the first requirement drop anyway.
I feel the only thing the reduced renown costs will do is just allow more people to unlock all their skills much faster. The core of the league hasn’t changed (Ironman with fast xp and useful buff items, nothing else). The change is purely to please the casual audience who may have been struggling to get many unlocks in the first week. And with the league only being 6 weeks long, they had to pull the trigger on this so early. The issues people have with Leagues 3 are due to the core rules of the league, not this upcoming change. That this league is simply Ironman+ and not based around irreversible choices on player power/content availability like it was in Leagues 1 and 2.
To sum up my feelings: I am sad that the competitive integrity has been let down, but I’m also looking forward to trying new content before giving it a go in the main game. At the end of the day, the dopamine response is still there for busted xp rates and drops which is (imo) the funnest part of leagues and what it’s designed around. It’s hard to make a competitive game that’s fun for casual players.
Having two server types (casual where the renown is lower) and competitive (with an even more restricted pool of renown) is probably best case for Jagex to satisfy as many people as possible. Their gimmick this league feels shoddy unfortunately, doubly so because they’re changing it not by a little, but by a lot. Makes them look less confident in their own product.
I enjoyed leagues for a while, but got really bored of it, because, as you mentioned, it jus fells like ''fast ironman'' with 0 restrictions and as a casual player, when I unlocked most of the skills, I just found myself having more fun progressing my real ironman. I liked the slow early game progression. And unlocking new skills / areas felt rewarding and gave more things to do. On the other hand, the relic system felt very unpolished and frustrating not only because of the poorly designed interfaces, but also because of the set effects. Some of the set effects on fragments often seem out of place. Like having a powerful combat set effect on a niche skilling fragment that could have another useful skilling set effect like last recall, personal banker, etc. But the thing that drew me over the line for quitting was indeed the proposed changes, taking away one of the few things that made this league unique. Obviously, that's just my opinion and I'd like to read what others think.
As someone who didn’t play during leagues 1 and couldn’t get time off to commit to leagues 2 I had really high hopes for leagues 3 and cannot lie it lived up to them at first, but now they are making it a joke that’s beyond easy. Probably gonna stick with it even as I return to work now just because I’ve invested 71 hours into it this week but it’s still a bit of a kick in the shins.
People have always quit leagues. The more time goes by, the less people are still playing. I don't get why they are doing this, as I thought it was fine as it was and I'm having a good time having to plan my unlocks to be able to keep going. The only 99 I've done is Firemaking and I'm heading back to the Todt one more time when I have the skills to get better loot. I have 5 skills still locked, and my plan is to unlock hitpoints last (which has been an interesting challenge.)
I think the cost reductions for bosses was fine, 100 for cox or tob is a meme, but now 35?? LOL. They just went too far, like high cost means you gotta weigh your options when picking a new boss and you gotta work for a new boss, but now it’s just Sage renown go brrrrrrrr. I think 60-75 for raids is fair cox has 31 tasks alone. Then like 40-50 for GWD gauntlet and other high tier bosses. 25-30 for mid tier barrows thermy kraken. 15-20 for low tier like WT, temp, hespori, and then 5 for obor bryo and the rest “noob tier” bosses. But then went too far with reductions.
Stopped playing in trailblazer when they changed clues halfway through the season, and after watching this video I'm so relieved I didn't play the new league at all. Holy cow devs there is one golden rule for seasonal content and that's DON'T CHANGE GAMEPLAY MID SEASON
As someone that tryharded and got tier 7 by tuesday, I dont know how to feel about this. The change doesnt really affect me since i've already unlocked everything, and even buying every quest we'd be drowning in renown by 12k+ lp. i had a blast figuring out an efficient path early game and I guess I'm sad some people will get that experience ruined.
That’s because it would take me the whole damn league to get to where you are and in my opinion that’s now fun. Most players don’t have this kind of time anymore
first thing i said when i saw the update this morning was "ezscape??." personally would have preferred the high renown system since ive already sunk some hours into it and unlocked all skills (thank god for WFH). either way though, i would have unlocked all skills/quests anyway so the renown decrease just expedites the quest/boss unlocks. tbh though i don't see this launching casuals past hardcore player ranks. overall i had fun in grinding out week 1 for what ive unlocked so far and ill enjoy the rest of the leagues cos its still p fun.
I don’t think it’s necessarily about the restriction it is choices having a big impact. I think the overall design philosophy was really poor. When you chose relics in trail blazer it felt like a game changer, but with the fragments it just feels weak, and I haven’t been excited to unlock any. I get you have more powerful set bonuses but I’m currently on tier 5 (with about 6000 points) and I can have like 2 of these active at most, whist also having fragment boosts I don’t want or care about which I am only picking for the set whereas in trailblazer at this stage I had skill prodigy, endless recall, quick shot, unnatural selection.
The thing is you literally get all of those effects and more. Like unnatural selection is just a passive trait everyone gets. I am really disappointed your initial choice means nothing and thus there's no factions in game.
I disagree on the black and white nature of your comments tbh. You talk as if every player either likes leagues or has quit. When in fact I feel like it's very much a grey area so far. A lot of people such as myself are having fun but do feel a little bit burned on the amount of tasks and shit you have to get done just to unlock skills and especially bosses. And the fact it makes you choose between PvM or Skilling when the easiest points early-mid game all come from skilling makes it almost impossible to hard rush as much early PvM as possible. The cost to unlcok bosses is also ridiculous (ignoring the changes coming to fix this) such as having 50 renown to unlock Zulrah. Overall, the leagues should be fun fast paced gameplay with busted relics. The changes they are making will make it a lot more enjoyable for the casual players which at the end of the day is the majority of the playerbase. TBL let you do any PvM content within your region so you could rush a boss from the start especially with the T3 relics. This league you can't really get anything super busted for PvM until you've already killed a bunch of bosses. I'm a week in and haven't killed a single boss yet. Last league I'm pretty sure I had kc in several GWD by now. You're entitled to your opinion on the "watered down" changes but I personally think it's the best thing to stop casual players quitting after a couple days.
Agreed. People complain about not being able to boss immediately or reach mid-end game. The mode hasn't even been out a week... why should you be able to do end game bosses like 3 days in. And now, everybody that just mindlessly spent their points skipping everything is getting rewarded by the changes, and those who were more conservative, doing quests in order to not be renown starved later, are being punished in time lost. The changes are way too extreme.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers! rant incoming: theres so much to say, so much said, and so much lseft unsaid its quite a wild time. i have, will, and trust ill enjoy leagues 3 til lthe very very end but i understadn that mid league changes are always too knee jerk and doing things after the first week can see unfair for the spirit of competition and for the overall gameplay HOWEVER i still always LOVE the set effect buffs because we seriously need more power at more stages of the league. this was a fantastic experiment league for fragments nad other unlock systems and all, and the quest unlock system is S tier 100%, but overall every league doesnt have to appeal to every player nor should it because its basicly impossible. i think that im the perfect hardcore casual afking fanatic tryhard noob demographic for this league and its truly a "rookie league" for all those people that cant, havent, or wont do so many of the ends gmae unlcoks and content in main game. its for thep eople that want ot truly experience what osrs itself has to offer in a time scale that can happen around irl struggles and i think this league will do that. nerfing the boss renown costs overall does really invalidate what identity or gimik this league haed left other then is being leagues aka relics aka break the game is extreemly fun and novel ways and have a blast for a short time~ but i digress. hoenstly i hear and accept that there are a wild set of opinions but i want ot stress 1 thing of mine ive come do realise.............. the renown changes for skill are good imo but nothing that gets changed mid league, yet alone after only 1 week, can ever be good because your always fighting an unwinnable battle. but at the end of the day jagex wants leagues to be played by tons of peopel and be enjoyed, as a small repreive and fun extreme mode seperate from the usual tedium of traditional osrs grinds and i think its done that. i try to keep each and every league as a unique experience without comparing it too harshly to past ones. personaly the major pain and fail points of this league will be the unbalanced/sorted task lists and the frustratingly annoying UI. if they want to change renown and everything, i say let them. im one whol was min/maxing my quests done vs quest unlocks and was enjoying it and i probably put 30+ hours in week 1 JUST on manual questing but i dont regret it. i DO HOW EVER think its extreemly unfair for so many of the players that are racing and have all of their plans and progress invalidated and undermined simply becasue of early reation presumably based on community bitching........... block of text and me ranting aside~ i honestly think that any changes that end up in the live league will be ok however it all plays out and i will roll with it but perhaps thats because my goal was and still is to max, double max, get a QP and/or just get some of my favorite endgame boss pets ot have in next league all while maximizing my blissful try hard afk methods and any unique leagues only interactions and broken mechanics. and i feel everyone shoudl take it more along those concepts~ i will say though that i severly dislike the sentiment that "renown is so easy, why nerf the costs, how tf do people not just have it? just play the game" vibes and sentiments. yes its only week 1, but its also ONLY 6 weeks and plenty of peopel want ot enjoy and experience the game at any level of skill, prior game knowledge, irl time commitments etc etc. HOWEVER boss renown changes were the wrong way to go i bet, just the skill cost changes woulda been more then enough along with the fragment set effect buffs, to fix the issue. but i dont like that sentiment directly because its really a bad faith effort to complain about the business choices theyre trying to make. the only time where you HAVE endless renown is either at the end when its almost over and most of it wont matter requireing 5+ weeks of more grinding (its fine) or if your pushing for high ranks and part of the races in which case the changes would hurt strategies or w/e. idk im ramping i think. basicly i jsut think that the renown changes are bad on a more critical aspect of them not giving enough time for the system to mature and players to understand how tasks and renown works, but that the skill cost changes should have happened (tho id rather it have been that way at launch and fragment level ups cost 50% or more extra xp for leveling to make the time spent more about activly doing skills then farming 1 skill to unlock another). its fast regardless but i think the problem is that the vocal, or more impacted part of the community are dragon cup hunting players, and quite literaly makes them the top 1% opinion of the player base which means they have to realize that theres another 99% of the player base that is NOT IN ANY WAY necessarily making that type of progress or has that type of skill or knowledge to activly use the systems in a way that feels enjoyable with less time to play each day. i feel at the end of the day jagex went overboard with it but that theyre trying to make this an approachable league for as many as possible, and hoenstly evne in the original systems theres infinite renown for people pushing post 15k pts, or pushing dragton cup anyway so getting renown refunded only hurts those that had theyre week 1 plans ruined. i can sympathise with that, but if the player drop off was truly something of a concern for them, i understand trying to open up the content faster for the larger majority. essay aside hahahaha god i love to ramble, i just hope thhis isnt the first of multiple. i think wee k1 beta testing for a league is fine thne some major or minor changes and improvements etc etc then leave it and let the compatition mature. maybe nerf things that are like glitch level broken, but otherwise dont change anything besides numerical buffs to stuff or actual direct UI or engagement improvements. anything else and you just damage your public image for all sides of the player base discussion and it just makes people bitter when this should be a fun seasonal enjoyment of an event where we all go to crazy shit nad have fun speed gridning like no other time of the decades past. ya know i love ya man and respect everyone and am terrible about expressing my opinions but i hope this was some food for thought for anyone that might like a different perspective on the topic. heres telling what will come on wensday or the weeks to come but GOOD LUCK GAMERS AND HAPPY GRINDINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
i whole heartedly agree that leagues in most cases needs t obe restrictive, some how , some way. but i think we just needed a fuck it go all out league. after over a year and a half of wait we just cant sit around with more FOMO league or more issues of making bad choices nad having that soul the experience of something unique. tho im a theory crafted and i love more optioons nad more ways to make the most meme or most hilarious versions of something so im deffinitly special. idk~ i think leagues 3 was always doomed because we needed a palet clenser. something to fele bad like PoE 3.15 nerf league just so we can come to realize what we appricaite and what we want/expect an osrs Leagues to truly be in the future. and with this experiement and lettign everyone have fun doing anything, any where, for however long they want is fine because itll just mean we are all better prepade for the next one, whatever that maybe be hahahahahah cheeeeeeeeeeers waits4n1 off to play the game and do the things hah
3:25 little extreem to say its compeltly gone since it still functionaly exists hahaha but yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im soooooooooooooooo heartbroken that the quest unlock system is just so free now and the more you play the more free it becomes. that really was the unfortunate aftermath of changes this big. but like i STILL HAVENT UNLOCKED any BOSSES and im renown poor after 6k pts and 80 hours played in week 1..............i mean that should say alot about how the system can be. but that salso really awsome since i have all my skills unlocked and its LITERLAY ONLY A WEEK. i think that knee jerk reaction is the reason its such a problem. they didnt give the system time to mature............... lastly i almost argue that the set effect buffs would change the paradym of the experience entierly. having bis god mode skilling set effects active at only 5 slots instead of 7 means players only need 20% the points as before before it felt like a league. which would have changed how fast they were gettign higher tier tasks done and thus alot denser chunks of renown. ohh well, if it does come true then its just an inevitability of the internet age , less so something that the league itself failed at. it just is sad to see~
truly woudner tho how much of the bad sentiment is along the issues with the delayed launch, or the fact that very very early game is more just akward ironman until you learn how to game the systems but yeahhhhhhhhhh all those people are not gonna be coming back, but now we just deal with insane waterdown or ruined content. its heartbreaking but ohh well
ultimately I think Jagex is making a mistake by nerfing the Renown system. I've had to make some hard choices about what skills to unlock and that honestly has felt awesome. It's led to mistakes or bad choices on occasion but i still had my own personal leagues experience so far. I've played every league and I've loved each one for different reasons and I'm sure I'll finish with fond memories of Shattered Relics.
i already had all skills unlocked before the stimulus was released. i got 200 free points. plus nobody wants to do 1000 wt kills when you almost get lvl 99 with 30-40 kills.
You have captured the state of complexity of this league perfectly! too bad only 1 week in and it gets watered down significatly... and god forbid even extended... why do people cry after not having everything unlocked in 3 days... the whole point is to play and unlock...
Casuals acting like it'll take them literally 4 weeks to get to tier 6 is what got those skill costs lowered. Its so sad considering I've never felt like I had renown that was gated away, there's always been things for me to do I just don't wanna do some of them lol. I didn't like trailblazer because it was extremely poorly balanced. Magic relic sucked alot, fairy relic sucked, desert sucked TREMENDOUSLY. The bad choices felt very crippling, and I think its valid to sorta remove that part, if only because Jagex can't balance for shit apparently.
I feel like many of the "issues" people have with leagues could be avoided if they would just give you the option to wipe your leagues save and start again, so if you really mess up you can retry but you have to start from zero again.
Hey! I've watched and enjoyed your videos but I disagree and here is why.. I've been an avid OSRS, D3 & PoE player for some time. Both D3 & PoE are very different but similar in the content they add through Seasonal modes. These seasonal modes are not restrictive in the sense the lock the game to be theorycrafted and played in different and uniques ways, but instead add unique powerful mechanics to the game which offer different ways to play the game which for their limited time is fun to theorise and determine how to become the most powerful version of yourself in game. I LOVE THAT. I played a lot of Leagues 2 and enjoyed the restrictions but I'm loving Leagues 3 even more because it's similar to those seasonal modes previously explained. I don't think restricition is neccessary, I think it's hella fun just to be able to play the game in a different way with new power and whack huge numbers for a while :D
Just to preface this, Pre-changes of renown. I am at 10.5k pts with all skills & some bosses unlocked. So even with the increased renown cost I'm relatively far along!
I'm annoyed because right now I'm in T5 and I feel like once they change the renown costs I'll be refunded enough to literally unlock every single thing available. Fully defeats the point of the league imo
Its insane that the only thing people do is complain about everything. You can already get up to 16x xp and people are still not satisfied. Someone even complained during the Jagex live stream that the animation for unlocking skills/quests/bosses takes too long when its only around 10 seconds LOL!
so I just went through the trouble of unlocking every skill. If that is just nullified, then wtf was the point. Its not a 99 simulator like people think, my highest skill is 80, and I didnt have to even do that. Stick to your guns Jagex. Make a better system next Leagues if you think the public opinion is so bad.
I agree that it takes away choice. I finished Wintertodt without unlocking construction because I wanted to unlock strength+hitpoints after I was done, but yeah, now it's kind of a waste? I am enjoying the league, but since I don't PvM it was the sequencing for questing and skill unlocks that I was focusing on
I think they did a decent job at the overall balancing but there’s still some tweaks I’d like to see. My biggest gripe is having to coordinate which skills I’m unlocking with the quests I want to do to avoid missing quest xp drops. Actually the overall time involved questing period just isn’t very conducive to the concept of a league. I kinda enjoy quests (at least don’t hate them) and it feels like that’s all I’ve done since the beginning of this league. I would have liked to see SOME of them autocompleted just for the time factor alone. I love the relic concept, but there’s just to damn many that could/should have just been an auto feature in leagues. Why not just give everyone double pts in all mini games from the start? There’s an entire relic just dedicated to hallowed sepulcher… was that really necessary??? Swapping them out between activities wouldn’t feel as tedious if there weren’t as many. They also should have color coordinated the set effects or something. The tasks tend to send you all over doing all different kinds of activities and then swapping relics between every single activity change becomes tedious, especially flipping the set effects back and forth for the trailblazer teles. Im still enjoying it but I’m already starting to feel a little burnt over my actual progress over where it feels like I should be based on time I’ve invested so far.
I'm enjoying it so far. The lack of loadouts for the passive effect sucks though. Not a fan of the renown rework either. Beforehand I'd decided to skip ToB and CoX since I'm bored of them. Was going for all the lesser points bosses. Now with the change the dragon toer will literally be everyone who can complete every bit of pvm available many times. As someone with a full time job, that counts me out
I'm gonna have fun this league, but I'm hoping they go back to region locked next time. Either a small but intense area like kourend or like in trailblazers with a bunch of different areas and then just change the areas more.
I like it being more restrictive, but man i am looking forewards to the points refund im getting on wednesday. I kept impulse buying low lvl skills for quests so i didnt spent points on skipping quests. If it were more restrictive from the start, perhaps only be able to have 10 skills unlocked at a time (w the possibility of relocking skills once at a certain lvl) it may be more enjoyable
Hard disagree. As a casual player I am super excited to get to practice for some of the bosses I've never done in the main game on easy mode. I don't want to be locked out of half the content in the game like last year.
I’m torn, I enjoy the current renown system. I think some of the things where a little expensive, so that just meant I was doing the quests and not unlocking them which I was fine with. Also I understand the fragment system pretty well and really liked it. Was almost tied 6 had a plan formed about unlocking my last couple skills then the refund news came out. I have no drive to do these quests now.
Just unlock everything and push for tier 7 and do some pvming. I don't really see a need for the changes since I'm all skills unlocked and a good chunk of quests too and going to hit t6 today. I do get that it is slow go start and not everyone can play as much as I have though so I'm not gonna bitch about getting the rest of my quests done for free and some bosses on top.
If the leagues was longer then the restrictions should stay imo but the fact that it's a month means a week to unlock bosses quests skills ect a week and a bit to get gear depends on rng (went 900 dry on bandos last leagues) and alittle less then a week for real fun fully geared content, now some may argue that oh you need to put more hours into it, well compared to last league I put in about 4to5 hours a day more on the weekends and was able to get and feel accomplished in trailblazer while in this leagues its almost been a week and I've only just unlocked all the skills Maybe to cater to both parties having the leagues extended by another 2 weeks? Means the sweaty competitors still get a chance to grind their 1k wintertodt :kekw: and the casuals have more time to get where they want to be Nonetheless I like this nerf
I really enjoyed the snowflake aspect of leagues, that was my favorite part about it. Unfortunately its not in this leagues, hopefully its in the next.
Is "fast ironman" necessarily a bad thing? Trading off 'being able to buy higher tier gear and spending tens of thousands of hours of grinding' for 'being forced to experience more of the game at orders of magnitude pacing' seems pretty appealing to anyone who, well, doesn't want to spend tens of thousands of hours grinding.
Im gonna keep playing but yeah the fragments UI is so bad and cringe. And yeah if i dont really have to make choices then whats the point of unlocking specific things in any order? Trailblazer was cool because you could look at someone and kinda tell what they went to unlock, the region specific idea was so good. Doesn't really work here. Feeling op with the fragment combos is nice but i didnt have to make any interesting decisions to arrive at these conclusions.
This is leagues. It’s supposed to be overpowered. For a lot of more casual players, this will be their first experience with a lot of bosses, and will lead them to bossing on their main! This is a good thing, we don’t need to complain about it becoming easier.
All that planning and hard work. In a weeks time there'll be so many with everything unlocked being like 'Lol this is easy!' and i'll just want to mush their face into the mud and say 'You weren't there in the early days, you don't know what it was like!'
I find it hard to believe that everyone dislikes the upcoming changes. The enjoyment that I’ve been getting out of this league, and to a lesser extent the other leagues, is that we get fun new abilities and quicker exp so I can actually experience the game. I personally have never looked at leagues as a “this is fun because I’m locked out of this content” thing
Playing a main got too easy, so made an ironman. Now that's getting a lot of qol updates and is getting brain dead easy the past few years. So I made a uim, two of them now. Leagues just reminds me of easy man mode and not appealing at all.
should be level capped based, easier to unlock skills. But capping you at 10,20,30ect. So you cant just get that lvl 55 attck jump. you need to actually train slow before you have room to get a big drop. Osrs is grindy, duh. League should still have osrs aspects including grinding. That said Leagues 3 was fine at the beginning. You dont have time or cant step up to the L3 challenge, dont watch everyone else play. Better be a refund on the spent points.
100% very enjoyable! Work full time so value my time and this is a fun way to play! As a UIM its fun to just go to the wildy or try new bosses with little risk and big buffs 😁
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Hot take: Casual players only want an overpowered, fast runescape experience from leagues.
If this had been Trailblazer 2 with shattered relic fragments, it would have been amazing.
They shouldn't use the same thing ever again though. It should always be a different annually
Exactly. They tried to cater too much to the sweaty “competitors”.
That's a good idea. You can unlock all the regions, quests, bosses and skills, but you won't have enough points to unlock all of it, so plan wisely. And you get to pick your starter two regions (one free and one as part of the tutorial so the new players know how to do it.)
Personally, I feel like Jagex could do a poll or a couple polls to ask about each league and what was liked and disliked about each, since I don't believe they've done this yet. Obviously, accelerated xp is a main reason most people play Leagues, even for a short time. Stop trying to "improve" it or "change" it all together to bring a new, unique Leagues. If the majority don't like something, try to work around not adding it again.
Example: In the first Leagues, we had to choose between having unlimited run or not. In the second Leagues, a great fix was that this was not a choice anymore. It was on all unlocks from the start. Most of the community complained about it from the first, and it was fixed in the second. Unfortunately, I missed Leagues 3, so I have no idea if they continued having unlimited run for everyone. Just this one change was amazing. I don't really know what else I could say on this. Shavua tov and lets hope for a 4th Leagues, one that is mostly good rather than mostly bad.
I feel like they could've just reduced the SR cost for bosses and reduced the KC requirements for tasks and I would've been happy. Reducing the costs of the skills takes away one of the funnest parts I've had during the time with this leauge, which was weighing my options between the skills I was going to take in which order. Now, I'll be able to unlock the 5-6 skills I've yet to unlock and have plenty of SR left over, it doesn't feel nearly as rewarding.
As far as having restrictions in a league, I agree, but I also don't inherently hate the idea of skill restrictions either. It would've been cool if after we unlocked a few skills, the costs of getting more skills increased, but with the flip side of being able to re-lock your skills again. This would reduce the amount of XP or levels in that skill by X and disable the ability to gain more XP in that skill until you've re-unlock it again, but it makes unlocking other skills cheaper to allow you to switch up if you need to. This would still keep it restrictive in how you play, but in a way that wouldn't softlock you.
I think this is 100% what they should have done, the early game pacing of skill unlocks pre nerf for getting all the skills unlocked was honestly really good in my opinion, its just that if you wanted to unlock quests and bosses you would have to commit to some of the insane 1000kc wintertod grinds. Having the updated kc for WT (i.e. 200, 225, 250 etc instead of 200, 500, 1000), makes unlocking the end game more compelling for those that don't want to get 200m firemaking just to unlock both CoX and ToB.
Alternatively they could have just made bosses way cheaper and not changed the cost of skills, this would have been fine too.
Tbh, I think OSRS players have become too in love with the pain of the grind and the pain of restrictions. Leagues has always been a powerfantasy, restricted or not. I love that part of leagues: clean slate, start fresh, rush and overpower anything and than back to the maingame. It's a fun breath of fresh air to me. I recognize people want a challenge, and these people should be heard and taken into feedback for next time (or rebalancing again), but for now let's all just enjoy what we enjoy! I hope everyone has fun playing osrs, leagues or not! :)
I want a group iron leagues on which skills are locked. Or at least there are different path choices so you have to build a party accordingly. Maybe like if you are solo you can unlock it all bs if you are in a group you only can unlock so many skills per person maybe? Almost like a DnD type experience where you build the party to be specialized.
This would've been amazing. I was thinking of pretty much this same concept.
I like the locked down of an area, but I still do fine it fun. fast Ironman
not even a competitive player and i found the cheaper unlocks wayyy to forgiving. went from 5 skills to all of them...
Still going to play this B though!
this leagues has been great for me. My friends who are a lot less hardcore about Runescape came back for leagues and skip some of the longer grinds that pushed them away from end game content. I think that Jagex is catering this leagues to the more casual player. This may be due to the influx of newer players that they had at the start of group ironman.
If we’re gunna have fast iron man mode why don’t they just make it a permanent game setting and have people be able to prestige for a cooler icon when then max or something?
I think we see this in a similar way. I'm a bit annoyed that they've decided to take away all the restrictions and make it just fast ironman with supercharged abilities.
But at the same time, I'm going to take advantage of all the free renown 🤷♂️
The thought I had upon seeing the point refund was wishing this happened later and with some lore. I think it could have been much cooler to do it with say 3 weeks left to go and have some story about the sage needing more to achieve their plan so the sage was super charging leagues. This way it could have brought players back who had burned out and felt like they had gotten everything they could out of the leagues while still allowing more players to experience the early game puzzle of unlocks.
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While I'm still going to be playing Leagues, I do have mixed feelings about the renown rework. Initial reaction was "Great! Now I can actually get all the skills without issue and can now start planning grinds/quest unlocks"
But yeah, it really is just going to be fast ironman. And, in general, there's basically one combination of fragments you should use when doing any activity, assuming you have the slots and fragments unlocked.
With Trailblazer, I was definitely restricted, but that restriction made my account uniquely mine. The mistakes and accomplishments were both mine. In Shattered Relics, there are literal guides to follow, with RNG determining the main difference between accounts (which fragments are unlocked/at which level)
As a casual but somewhat invested player, I definitely appreciate the renown refund, it just gets what I consider the annoying part of unlocking the skills out of the way -- I want to be able to get to the fun tasks I want to do asap, that I was never able to do in the main game.
The biggest issue I have, and it seems almost a universal opinion, is that the task list has some reeeal duds on there. Someone really needs to sit down and put some love into the next list, more creativity and balance (1kc wintertodt should not be the same as killing 1000 lizardman shamans). I think soliciting community task suggestions would be a great idea next year.
Am I the only one who would like to this just be a version of the game and not just a league?
The Corner Man created the fragments UI
DUDE
I think the update tomorrow will be overwhelmingly successful and revitalize interest in the league. I feel you're vastly underestimating the % of people who are moderately invested and dont fall into the "hyper competitive" or "screw it I quit" groups. Personally very excited
Great!
Thinking about it, your are right, @WeSkillNow, about the fast iron man. I miss the first League, i feel that the location restriction unite more players together, make resourses scarce, add more life to the game even for a casual player.
As someone like you with a job,wife, a kid I’m glad they have made changes. This is supposed to be a fun game mode.
Same. Leagues is the only time of year I play OSRS and I was beginning to think this year was ruined. I don’t have time to grind all these tasks just to unlock the game
It was you Pansy, it’s not even hard. I have a wife, and a new born baby and have only played a little each day. I just didn’t make dumb choices and I’m doing great
the sims does not count sorry
@@0010-w7c I have less time than someone with a wife and a baby, I literally haven't even had time to think about logging in so I realized it wasn't the game design I was just too busy to mindlessly click a screen
Why do you keep saying they're 'watering it down' when you yourself admit the system wasn't restrictive at all for people who knew what they were doing?
All the high costs did was hurt noobs and anyone who tried to do something other than fairly efficient ironman pathing. Jagex even weirdly tried to punish some ironman routes like WT and Temp even though they all but force you to do stuff like chins.
Leagues is fun because:
1. dopamine go brrr
2. relics are fun
3. it lets you access content your main will never reach/is years from reaching
4. the community/unique experiences
5. you get cool ass rewards
6. Important choices that lead to faction rivalries/unique pathing
Unfortunately 3 doesn't have that last one. If your main reasons for enjoying leagues are area locking, restricted skills, and unique/stupid accounts then that is the same as standard OSRS! If you want to area lock yourself as a challenge, do it! It seems silly to whine that Jagex didn't autocreate the specific type of snowflake you wanted to play when you can just play it however you want. Leagues 3 is definitely the worst of the 3 and the least designed/thought out but at least the rewards are better than 2.
Edit: it's also important to note this leagues is by far the least thought out and most restrictive imo. The crazy bloat on the skills and methods give you very few options that are remotely efficient.
I'm really disappointed that your initial choice is beyond meaningless. If you at least had to get a high level or max your combat style before you were allowed to unlock the others, it might have been meaningful. I'm also disappointed there's no factions this round.
Leveling up fragments is cool though but no presets or search function/sort by skills cancels out anything cool about fragments.
Absolutely agree. This is clearly the perspective of an experienced player. As a moderately experienced but extremely casual player I've been having a lot of fun. I was mostly frustrated that it feels like unlocking the wrong things could lock you into long grinds to earn enough points to get new content
A-am I the only one who likes the tan graceful
@@zyean3375 lmfao I too am a poop ninja but nothing compares to the twisted blueprints for me. That color scheme is just 👌.
@@michaelkerley746 yeah honestly a lot of points this league is just running around doing stuff without much skilling. I was really disappointed to unlock temp because I liked the content only to find out it's basically pointless unless you want to grind 100s of games for some reason.
My main goal now is just too DH for the mole pet and probably max since I was so close last leagues. Hopefully i don't go 300 dry on a bandos hilt like last time and get demotivated.
You really did hit it dead on, but for people like me who work constantly it is really nice because I can still have fun playing it. I don't find myself feeling behind.
So changing the renown gain/costs is fixing a symptom of the problem I've felt. Which is I was being restricted not by renown, but by what I should spend my renown on to unlock other tasks that were worth my time to do (aka I wanted to actually do)
Some skills like agility and magic have lots of easy points and by doing the tasks you are progressing and actively using different aspects of the skill, different courses different spells etc
where as some skills like cooking were cook a handful of different foods that you probably should also level you fishing to do. There was so much potential for tasks that required you to cook in different locations etc.
The way I've always played leagues is keep the "grinding" to a minimum until I've unlocked higher XP modifiers (so grinding is faster). However this grinding has been compounded this leagues, by making the fragments RNG based and not auto unlocked. what this means is the start was more around unlocking tasks and fragments the easiest way possible. Which wasn't "Fun" for me.
Leagues for me has always been about the relics. Even with a 16x multiplier I don't want to play leagues, because that's just grinding for 1/16th of the time. What makes leagues fun is it breaking the rules of Runescape with its relics. Pick your slayer task, teleport back to where you were, double resources and auto banking. We started with basically non of it. I went melee, my starting fragment was I was 20% more accurate with attacks. Like its helpful but not game changing its just helpful. All the game breaking stuff is 20-30hours down the line of running around doing easy tasks. I haven't been excited to tier up yet because what I've wanted to be doing (afking during work) needed Tier 6 to do the most effectively (double gathering and autobanking). So for the first while I was left with mildly helpful fragments and a moderately XP multiplier.
There were better ways to "unlock" fragments and relics. Honestly I would have preferred having everything unlocked and sages renown unlocking & upgrading fragments. with 2-3 free fragments to start with and no RNG for them.
Side complaint, I've not found any clear information around how to get fragments, skilling is kind of obvious but like is the slayer ones different from combat ones? what about prayer is that only from burying bones? in which case is it better to level up prayer by killing smaller creatures for more xp drops?? because its hard to tell the difference between doing the wrong thing for a fragment and bad RNG
TLDR RNG Fragments is grinding for RNG Fun , Task list is boring and has so much more potential, Front load game changing things to players so it feels different to the normal game.
The thing that would have made this league fantastic for me is if:
1. Fragments didn't just drop for the skill you were using. This is annoying because now if I want to wait to train mining and smithing until I have good relics for it, I have to train them some to get the relics first, and then level them up before continuing.
2. Fragments drops were unique, in that you would get a random effect, with random set effects. This way you would have to work with the drops you get, as opposed to the way it is now, where you will eventually unlock everything. This would make it a lot more complicated, and more like an ARPG, but honestly it would be amazing.
I personally totally agree with you, and may I add. The best part of trailblazer league for me was the Area Restrictions. In leagues 3 you want to do a task, go somewhere etc... there's also 100000000 ppl camping that spot. It is by far the most frustrating thing for me in leagues 3. Specially that every one unlocks everything care free now :(
Made the mistake of unlocking fletching first- it was a painful couple days at the start
shucks
As to your comment on the complexity of the fragment system I think a parallel can be made to Pokémon type matchups. It’s really hard for a beginner to pick up but with enough experience you know them all. If the league was permanent i think it would become second nature for people to know which fragments made up which set and be able to use the optimal combination of fragments without even looking
As for the interface, i do wish i could categorize them by skill, it would help.
Leagues is amazing, I love it very very much.
I completed 90 quests in the first 5 days of the league thinking that it would help me massively unlocking bosses later on in the league. This is not the news I wanted to hear.
To be fair, most of the people who liked being restricted already unlocked most of their skills if not all of them at this point, so making them easier to unlock for the players that are struggling to get open up their game is not actually a bad idea. The problem is more that the ones that have unlocked it will over a hundred renown for free and all the bosses will cost half of what they used to. This will lead to suddenly unlocking 10 new options in a single day for free without having done anything, and it feels kinda dirty.
Adding some kind of catchup mechanic is not a bad idea though. What if after 1 week all the skills were halved in cost, but there was no refund, and after 2 weeks all the bosses were halved in cost, but again with no refund?
That would make the people that tried hard the first week feel completely invalidated.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! It's so frustrating try to explain my disappointment with the renown refund. People just call you a sweaty no life even though I really dont have many points anyways. You are totally right, it is just "fast iron" mode now...
As soon as people were complaining ON THE FIRST DAY that stuff took too long to unlock I realized I disagreed with the common sentiment for this league :/
Agree with you on here
They had the same issue with clue scrolls last year, the listened to a bunch of people who complained about not being able to complete clues after taking Slayer in tier 4 and it degraded people's choices.
Personally I thought the level of challenge between each skill unlock was balanced yet engaging this past week, and I wouldn't have kept playing if it was like the new changes from the start
One thing that would freshen up future leagues dramatically imo is if they just focused on making new content for osrs lol. New content in osrs = new content for a league. For example, for me, I had not touched osrs since the new undead thrall spells had been added and seeing that having a relic focused around it seemed really fun to try. I was curious if you could create a "necromancer" build in runescape and do high level content with it. I actually think creating the concept of "classes" with locking in specific types of relics was what made leagues special. Now it's just runescape with a "talent system" that requires me to change out relics for every activity which actually is getting quite tedious.
There was a moment when I thought Leagues 3 was attempting to do a class thing w/ skill locks, but no :)
The only way I can see Jagex making everyone happy: Adding a Ranked Mode & Casual Mode next time. Hardcore restrictions & maybe a membership/cash prize to compete for Ranked. More open & a fun, laid back experience that still captures Leagues for Casuals. Still promote great prizes, fun times, ect.
I like this idea
remember just because you want the leagues to stay the same doesn't mean you are automatically correct. Just because somehow you enjoy not being able to play half the game's content doesn't mean that's objectively the best way to play the game. if you want to be restricted. You can restrict yourself. Don't force other people to play the game the way you want it to be played.
So many people, including myself, didn't play the last leagues because most of the enjoyment of RuneScape is unlocking new and interesting things to do. If by some miracle you believe that Less content is somehow more content I have no problem with that, although it makes absolutely no sense to me. I cannot see how limiting the game to certain skills or areas makes it more fun.
It seems to be that a lot of elitist players have chosen what leagues should be forever in their head, and that is a game mode that takes hours of preplanning, very specific and limiting pathways to success, and lots and lots of time to have fun in. I think that is incredibly selfish. Enjoy the game you want to play. Don't unlock certain skills. Don't go to certain places on that map, but don't tell me and thousands of other players that a less tedious and more fun game mode is somehow "dooming" leagues.
Remember leagues is a limited-time, non-permanent game mode. Think for a second about how outrageous the position that some of these aforementioned elitists take. Essentially, you want thousands of players to do 300 glorified achievement diary tasks before being able to unlock all the skills. Let alone doing any PVM. How can that possibly be enjoyable? I have to grind for 50 hours before I can grind for another 50 hours to finally be able to start my PVM grind. Are you kidding me? I have talked to so many people about this topic and no one can give a decent answer. If thinking that this limited-time game mode should be played for fun makes me a "casual" then I'm a casual. If what it takes for me to be considered good at the game is to enjoy never-ending, non-fun content just to be able to start the next grind for the next grind then I would rather be casual.
The main point of this post is not to tell you the way you play the game is wrong, but to let you know that leagues has changed for the better for the majority of the player base. RuneScape is all about the grind I do agree with that. But the grind itself is the fun part sometimes. When you add another barrier of entry after another barrier of entry to just begin the grind it just seems redundant and it's not fun.
There's too much to type here and at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I enjoyed the idea of a skill lock league, but only if there were actually skills locked. The original balance was thought out to provide a bit of a puzzle, but at the end of the day it was always really easy to unlock stuff. Now that there's absolutely no gimmick left, now we have this pretend lock system that makes us watch a 8 second animation every time we unlock skills. Yaaaay. That's not a terrible thing, but it's always just a reminder that it's meaningless based on the new balance, and for that matter, the original balance too...
So I don't think the new balance change is so bad. I think it was always doomed even from the original balance.
Everything outside of the fragments needed for sets is absolutely trash. 800 surplus points. Eight hundred. If you do absolutely 0 questing yourself and buy every unlock and boss. And still this bs gets put through.
Edit: and where tf are the exp tasks?!?! Hitting a couple hundred kc at skilling bosses is so much wasted exp.
Honestly I see this leagues as a way to try new content and get used to the mechanics on an easier difficulty thanks to the relics that way I can take on the normal/harder version in the main game later on so Im not bothered and I am still having fun
100% agreed. Most players haven't completed all the content so this fast-paced gameplay is perfect. However, I do understand OP's point. When you have completed all the content in this game, this game mode doesn't sound very fun. You can't make everyone happy. His complaints are valid, but I'm having too much fun to care really.
I feel like a lot of people complaining about the renown on launch didn't really use their brains. I'm not saying plan ahead and go full min max but if you spent all your renown on cooking + tempoross, refuse to grind out 50 kc in tempoross, refuse to get high enough fishing for sharks, etc that's kind of your own fault. Having said that the leagues task menu is an unnavigateable travesty and the wiki page is better but still hard to jump around and get a good look at available tasks which I imagine is very overwhelming to new leagues players.
Also I'm basically just doing my route from twisted and trailblazer again but combined this time which is pretty unfulfilling.
I found the league pretty underwhelming, but not because the skills took too much renown to unlock. It really does just feel like fast ironman, which made me just go back to my GIM. I just don't have the motivation to progress in a gamemode where all my progress is getting ashed in 6 weeks when it doesn't fundamentally feel any different from playing my ironman. If it doesn't feel different, I prefer to make progress on the account that actually sticks around.
The relic fragments are also deeply underwhelming. Yes, the set effects are stronger, but its still tough to get over the initial reaction of "oh, this thing is useless" whenever I get a relic drop.
I much preferred the previous two leagues, personally. I really wouldn't mind a Twisted League rerun in the future with a few balance changes thrown in (like unlimited run being a passive for everyone, not a relic choice)
i try not to let up on the grind if i can help it. even now
Personally I don't overly like the skill locking. At least not with the current renown setup so I'm happy about the cost nerf. But hey I'm still having fun and every league has been different so maybe I'll enjoy the next one more.
Personally I'd love to see a group league with archetypes. Maybe even just trailblazer group would be cool. But I do personally really like the idea of league making you choose one combat archetype and making you OP in it (like in tb) but still allowing you to use the other styles like normal so that you can experience the content you want to experience.
I think Jagex is torn between people that just want to be an OP character and the competition aspect. I have one foot in both camps so while I am happy that at tier 5 I can get greedy gatherer and personal banker max at the same time I'm a little disappointed that it's just being handed to me. I think for leagues 4 tier requirements should lower over time so people that just want to be busted can hang out and get their kicks and move on while top tier gamers won't even notice because they have tier 7 before the first requirement drop anyway.
I feel the only thing the reduced renown costs will do is just allow more people to unlock all their skills much faster. The core of the league hasn’t changed (Ironman with fast xp and useful buff items, nothing else).
The change is purely to please the casual audience who may have been struggling to get many unlocks in the first week. And with the league only being 6 weeks long, they had to pull the trigger on this so early.
The issues people have with Leagues 3 are due to the core rules of the league, not this upcoming change. That this league is simply Ironman+ and not based around irreversible choices on player power/content availability like it was in Leagues 1 and 2.
I'm having a blast. SO... Not doomed on my end.
havin fun too!
To sum up my feelings: I am sad that the competitive integrity has been let down, but I’m also looking forward to trying new content before giving it a go in the main game.
At the end of the day, the dopamine response is still there for busted xp rates and drops which is (imo) the funnest part of leagues and what it’s designed around.
It’s hard to make a competitive game that’s fun for casual players.
Having two server types (casual where the renown is lower) and competitive (with an even more restricted pool of renown) is probably best case for Jagex to satisfy as many people as possible. Their gimmick this league feels shoddy unfortunately, doubly so because they’re changing it not by a little, but by a lot. Makes them look less confident in their own product.
I enjoyed leagues for a while, but got really bored of it, because, as you mentioned, it jus fells like ''fast ironman'' with 0 restrictions and as a casual player, when I unlocked most of the skills, I just found myself having more fun progressing my real ironman. I liked the slow early game progression. And unlocking new skills / areas felt rewarding and gave more things to do. On the other hand, the relic system felt very unpolished and frustrating not only because of the poorly designed interfaces, but also because of the set effects. Some of the set effects on fragments often seem out of place. Like having a powerful combat set effect on a niche skilling fragment that could have another useful skilling set effect like last recall, personal banker, etc. But the thing that drew me over the line for quitting was indeed the proposed changes, taking away one of the few things that made this league unique. Obviously, that's just my opinion and I'd like to read what others think.
As someone who didn’t play during leagues 1 and couldn’t get time off to commit to leagues 2 I had really high hopes for leagues 3 and cannot lie it lived up to them at first, but now they are making it a joke that’s beyond easy. Probably gonna stick with it even as I return to work now just because I’ve invested 71 hours into it this week but it’s still a bit of a kick in the shins.
People have always quit leagues. The more time goes by, the less people are still playing. I don't get why they are doing this, as I thought it was fine as it was and I'm having a good time having to plan my unlocks to be able to keep going. The only 99 I've done is Firemaking and I'm heading back to the Todt one more time when I have the skills to get better loot. I have 5 skills still locked, and my plan is to unlock hitpoints last (which has been an interesting challenge.)
There was fun in trying to accomplish things despite the limitations.
I think the cost reductions for bosses was fine, 100 for cox or tob is a meme, but now 35?? LOL. They just went too far, like high cost means you gotta weigh your options when picking a new boss and you gotta work for a new boss, but now it’s just Sage renown go brrrrrrrr.
I think 60-75 for raids is fair cox has 31 tasks alone. Then like 40-50 for GWD gauntlet and other high tier bosses. 25-30 for mid tier barrows thermy kraken. 15-20 for low tier like WT, temp, hespori, and then 5 for obor bryo and the rest “noob tier” bosses. But then went too far with reductions.
Stopped playing in trailblazer when they changed clues halfway through the season, and after watching this video I'm so relieved I didn't play the new league at all. Holy cow devs there is one golden rule for seasonal content and that's DON'T CHANGE GAMEPLAY MID SEASON
As someone that tryharded and got tier 7 by tuesday, I dont know how to feel about this. The change doesnt really affect me since i've already unlocked everything, and even buying every quest we'd be drowning in renown by 12k+ lp. i had a blast figuring out an efficient path early game and I guess I'm sad some people will get that experience ruined.
That’s because it would take me the whole damn league to get to where you are and in my opinion that’s now fun. Most players don’t have this kind of time anymore
Thumbnail game on point weskillnow. Keep it up!
first thing i said when i saw the update this morning was "ezscape??." personally would have preferred the high renown system since ive already sunk some hours into it and unlocked all skills (thank god for WFH). either way though, i would have unlocked all skills/quests anyway so the renown decrease just expedites the quest/boss unlocks. tbh though i don't see this launching casuals past hardcore player ranks. overall i had fun in grinding out week 1 for what ive unlocked so far and ill enjoy the rest of the leagues cos its still p fun.
Still harder to lv than rs3 lol
Casuals won't launch past hard cores, no
I don’t think it’s necessarily about the restriction it is choices having a big impact. I think the overall design philosophy was really poor. When you chose relics in trail blazer it felt like a game changer, but with the fragments it just feels weak, and I haven’t been excited to unlock any. I get you have more powerful set bonuses but I’m currently on tier 5 (with about 6000 points) and I can have like 2 of these active at most, whist also having fragment boosts I don’t want or care about which I am only picking for the set whereas in trailblazer at this stage I had skill prodigy, endless recall, quick shot, unnatural selection.
The thing is you literally get all of those effects and more. Like unnatural selection is just a passive trait everyone gets.
I am really disappointed your initial choice means nothing and thus there's no factions in game.
I disagree on the black and white nature of your comments tbh. You talk as if every player either likes leagues or has quit. When in fact I feel like it's very much a grey area so far. A lot of people such as myself are having fun but do feel a little bit burned on the amount of tasks and shit you have to get done just to unlock skills and especially bosses. And the fact it makes you choose between PvM or Skilling when the easiest points early-mid game all come from skilling makes it almost impossible to hard rush as much early PvM as possible. The cost to unlcok bosses is also ridiculous (ignoring the changes coming to fix this) such as having 50 renown to unlock Zulrah. Overall, the leagues should be fun fast paced gameplay with busted relics. The changes they are making will make it a lot more enjoyable for the casual players which at the end of the day is the majority of the playerbase. TBL let you do any PvM content within your region so you could rush a boss from the start especially with the T3 relics. This league you can't really get anything super busted for PvM until you've already killed a bunch of bosses. I'm a week in and haven't killed a single boss yet. Last league I'm pretty sure I had kc in several GWD by now. You're entitled to your opinion on the "watered down" changes but I personally think it's the best thing to stop casual players quitting after a couple days.
Agreed. People complain about not being able to boss immediately or reach mid-end game. The mode hasn't even been out a week... why should you be able to do end game bosses like 3 days in. And now, everybody that just mindlessly spent their points skipping everything is getting rewarded by the changes, and those who were more conservative, doing quests in order to not be renown starved later, are being punished in time lost. The changes are way too extreme.
Well i was never going to spend points on or waste my time on quests anyways.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeers!
rant incoming:
theres so much to say, so much said, and so much lseft unsaid its quite a wild time. i have, will, and trust ill enjoy leagues 3 til lthe very very end but i understadn that mid league changes are always too knee jerk and doing things after the first week can see unfair for the spirit of competition and for the overall gameplay HOWEVER i still always LOVE the set effect buffs because we seriously need more power at more stages of the league. this was a fantastic experiment league for fragments nad other unlock systems and all, and the quest unlock system is S tier 100%, but overall every league doesnt have to appeal to every player nor should it because its basicly impossible. i think that im the perfect hardcore casual afking fanatic tryhard noob demographic for this league and its truly a "rookie league" for all those people that cant, havent, or wont do so many of the ends gmae unlcoks and content in main game. its for thep eople that want ot truly experience what osrs itself has to offer in a time scale that can happen around irl struggles and i think this league will do that. nerfing the boss renown costs overall does really invalidate what identity or gimik this league haed left other then is being leagues aka relics aka break the game is extreemly fun and novel ways and have a blast for a short time~ but i digress. hoenstly i hear and accept that there are a wild set of opinions but i want ot stress 1 thing of mine ive come do realise.............. the renown changes for skill are good imo but nothing that gets changed mid league, yet alone after only 1 week, can ever be good because your always fighting an unwinnable battle. but at the end of the day jagex wants leagues to be played by tons of peopel and be enjoyed, as a small repreive and fun extreme mode seperate from the usual tedium of traditional osrs grinds and i think its done that. i try to keep each and every league as a unique experience without comparing it too harshly to past ones. personaly the major pain and fail points of this league will be the unbalanced/sorted task lists and the frustratingly annoying UI. if they want to change renown and everything, i say let them. im one whol was min/maxing my quests done vs quest unlocks and was enjoying it and i probably put 30+ hours in week 1 JUST on manual questing but i dont regret it. i DO HOW EVER think its extreemly unfair for so many of the players that are racing and have all of their plans and progress invalidated and undermined simply becasue of early reation presumably based on community bitching........... block of text and me ranting aside~ i honestly think that any changes that end up in the live league will be ok however it all plays out and i will roll with it but perhaps thats because my goal was and still is to max, double max, get a QP and/or just get some of my favorite endgame boss pets ot have in next league all while maximizing my blissful try hard afk methods and any unique leagues only interactions and broken mechanics. and i feel everyone shoudl take it more along those concepts~
i will say though that i severly dislike the sentiment that "renown is so easy, why nerf the costs, how tf do people not just have it? just play the game" vibes and sentiments. yes its only week 1, but its also ONLY 6 weeks and plenty of peopel want ot enjoy and experience the game at any level of skill, prior game knowledge, irl time commitments etc etc. HOWEVER boss renown changes were the wrong way to go i bet, just the skill cost changes woulda been more then enough along with the fragment set effect buffs, to fix the issue. but i dont like that sentiment directly because its really a bad faith effort to complain about the business choices theyre trying to make. the only time where you HAVE endless renown is either at the end when its almost over and most of it wont matter requireing 5+ weeks of more grinding (its fine) or if your pushing for high ranks and part of the races in which case the changes would hurt strategies or w/e. idk im ramping i think.
basicly i jsut think that the renown changes are bad on a more critical aspect of them not giving enough time for the system to mature and players to understand how tasks and renown works, but that the skill cost changes should have happened (tho id rather it have been that way at launch and fragment level ups cost 50% or more extra xp for leveling to make the time spent more about activly doing skills then farming 1 skill to unlock another). its fast regardless but i think the problem is that the vocal, or more impacted part of the community are dragon cup hunting players, and quite literaly makes them the top 1% opinion of the player base which means they have to realize that theres another 99% of the player base that is NOT IN ANY WAY necessarily making that type of progress or has that type of skill or knowledge to activly use the systems in a way that feels enjoyable with less time to play each day. i feel at the end of the day jagex went overboard with it but that theyre trying to make this an approachable league for as many as possible, and hoenstly evne in the original systems theres infinite renown for people pushing post 15k pts, or pushing dragton cup anyway so getting renown refunded only hurts those that had theyre week 1 plans ruined. i can sympathise with that, but if the player drop off was truly something of a concern for them, i understand trying to open up the content faster for the larger majority.
essay aside hahahaha god i love to ramble, i just hope thhis isnt the first of multiple. i think wee k1 beta testing for a league is fine thne some major or minor changes and improvements etc etc then leave it and let the compatition mature. maybe nerf things that are like glitch level broken, but otherwise dont change anything besides numerical buffs to stuff or actual direct UI or engagement improvements. anything else and you just damage your public image for all sides of the player base discussion and it just makes people bitter when this should be a fun seasonal enjoyment of an event where we all go to crazy shit nad have fun speed gridning like no other time of the decades past.
ya know i love ya man and respect everyone and am terrible about expressing my opinions but i hope this was some food for thought for anyone that might like a different perspective on the topic.
heres telling what will come on wensday or the weeks to come but GOOD LUCK GAMERS AND HAPPY GRINDINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG CHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERS
i whole heartedly agree that leagues in most cases needs t obe restrictive, some how , some way. but i think we just needed a fuck it go all out league. after over a year and a half of wait we just cant sit around with more FOMO league or more issues of making bad choices nad having that soul the experience of something unique. tho im a theory crafted and i love more optioons nad more ways to make the most meme or most hilarious versions of something so im deffinitly special. idk~ i think leagues 3 was always doomed because we needed a palet clenser. something to fele bad like PoE 3.15 nerf league just so we can come to realize what we appricaite and what we want/expect an osrs Leagues to truly be in the future. and with this experiement and lettign everyone have fun doing anything, any where, for however long they want is fine because itll just mean we are all better prepade for the next one, whatever that maybe be hahahahahah cheeeeeeeeeeers waits4n1 off to play the game and do the things hah
3:25 little extreem to say its compeltly gone since it still functionaly exists hahaha but yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh im soooooooooooooooo heartbroken that the quest unlock system is just so free now and the more you play the more free it becomes. that really was the unfortunate aftermath of changes this big. but like i STILL HAVENT UNLOCKED any BOSSES and im renown poor after 6k pts and 80 hours played in week 1..............i mean that should say alot about how the system can be. but that salso really awsome since i have all my skills unlocked and its LITERLAY ONLY A WEEK. i think that knee jerk reaction is the reason its such a problem. they didnt give the system time to mature...............
lastly i almost argue that the set effect buffs would change the paradym of the experience entierly. having bis god mode skilling set effects active at only 5 slots instead of 7 means players only need 20% the points as before before it felt like a league. which would have changed how fast they were gettign higher tier tasks done and thus alot denser chunks of renown. ohh well, if it does come true then its just an inevitability of the internet age , less so something that the league itself failed at. it just is sad to see~
truly woudner tho how much of the bad sentiment is along the issues with the delayed launch, or the fact that very very early game is more just akward ironman until you learn how to game the systems but yeahhhhhhhhhh all those people are not gonna be coming back, but now we just deal with insane waterdown or ruined content. its heartbreaking but ohh well
ultimately I think Jagex is making a mistake by nerfing the Renown system. I've had to make some hard choices about what skills to unlock and that honestly has felt awesome. It's led to mistakes or bad choices on occasion but i still had my own personal leagues experience so far.
I've played every league and I've loved each one for different reasons and I'm sure I'll finish with fond memories of Shattered Relics.
i already had all skills unlocked before the stimulus was released. i got 200 free points. plus nobody wants to do 1000 wt kills when you almost get lvl 99 with 30-40 kills.
You have captured the state of complexity of this league perfectly! too bad only 1 week in and it gets watered down significatly... and god forbid even extended... why do people cry after not having everything unlocked in 3 days... the whole point is to play and unlock...
Casuals acting like it'll take them literally 4 weeks to get to tier 6 is what got those skill costs lowered. Its so sad considering I've never felt like I had renown that was gated away, there's always been things for me to do I just don't wanna do some of them lol.
I didn't like trailblazer because it was extremely poorly balanced. Magic relic sucked alot, fairy relic sucked, desert sucked TREMENDOUSLY. The bad choices felt very crippling, and I think its valid to sorta remove that part, if only because Jagex can't balance for shit apparently.
I feel like many of the "issues" people have with leagues could be avoided if they would just give you the option to wipe your leagues save and start again, so if you really mess up you can retry but you have to start from zero again.
only thing i was un happy about was the 1000 kc wintertodt and stuff but next to that i was proud unlocking basicly every skill msising 3 or so
Hey! I've watched and enjoyed your videos but I disagree and here is why..
I've been an avid OSRS, D3 & PoE player for some time. Both D3 & PoE are very different but similar in the content they add through Seasonal modes. These seasonal modes are not restrictive in the sense the lock the game to be theorycrafted and played in different and uniques ways, but instead add unique powerful mechanics to the game which offer different ways to play the game which for their limited time is fun to theorise and determine how to become the most powerful version of yourself in game. I LOVE THAT. I played a lot of Leagues 2 and enjoyed the restrictions but I'm loving Leagues 3 even more because it's similar to those seasonal modes previously explained. I don't think restricition is neccessary, I think it's hella fun just to be able to play the game in a different way with new power and whack huge numbers for a while :D
Just to preface this, Pre-changes of renown. I am at 10.5k pts with all skills & some bosses unlocked. So even with the increased renown cost I'm relatively far along!
for me leagues was always about the powerups so i'm perfectly happy
I'm annoyed because right now I'm in T5 and I feel like once they change the renown costs I'll be refunded enough to literally unlock every single thing available. Fully defeats the point of the league imo
Its insane that the only thing people do is complain about everything. You can already get up to 16x xp and people are still not satisfied.
Someone even complained during the Jagex live stream that the animation for unlocking skills/quests/bosses takes too long when its only around 10 seconds LOL!
so I just went through the trouble of unlocking every skill. If that is just nullified, then wtf was the point. Its not a 99 simulator like people think, my highest skill is 80, and I didnt have to even do that. Stick to your guns Jagex. Make a better system next Leagues if you think the public opinion is so bad.
Imagine spending the entire league getting 1k kc on temp and wintertodt.
Who thought that was a good idea.
I agree that it takes away choice. I finished Wintertodt without unlocking construction because I wanted to unlock strength+hitpoints after I was done, but yeah, now it's kind of a waste? I am enjoying the league, but since I don't PvM it was the sequencing for questing and skill unlocks that I was focusing on
Me too mate :/
@@Lollaksyotuube I think we gotta focus on a new goal, like Maxing
@@TheXPR3 I just wanted to have fun lol
I think they did a decent job at the overall balancing but there’s still some tweaks I’d like to see. My biggest gripe is having to coordinate which skills I’m unlocking with the quests I want to do to avoid missing quest xp drops. Actually the overall time involved questing period just isn’t very conducive to the concept of a league. I kinda enjoy quests (at least don’t hate them) and it feels like that’s all I’ve done since the beginning of this league. I would have liked to see SOME of them autocompleted just for the time factor alone. I love the relic concept, but there’s just to damn many that could/should have just been an auto feature in leagues. Why not just give everyone double pts in all mini games from the start? There’s an entire relic just dedicated to hallowed sepulcher… was that really necessary??? Swapping them out between activities wouldn’t feel as tedious if there weren’t as many. They also should have color coordinated the set effects or something. The tasks tend to send you all over doing all different kinds of activities and then swapping relics between every single activity change becomes tedious, especially flipping the set effects back and forth for the trailblazer teles. Im still enjoying it but I’m already starting to feel a little burnt over my actual progress over where it feels like I should be based on time I’ve invested so far.
Okay... what plugin shows the green/red bar for fragment level up progress?
Shattered Relic XP plug in
I'm enjoying it so far. The lack of loadouts for the passive effect sucks though. Not a fan of the renown rework either. Beforehand I'd decided to skip ToB and CoX since I'm bored of them. Was going for all the lesser points bosses. Now with the change the dragon toer will literally be everyone who can complete every bit of pvm available many times. As someone with a full time job, that counts me out
I'm gonna have fun this league, but I'm hoping they go back to region locked next time. Either a small but intense area like kourend or like in trailblazers with a bunch of different areas and then just change the areas more.
I like it being more restrictive, but man i am looking forewards to the points refund im getting on wednesday. I kept impulse buying low lvl skills for quests so i didnt spent points on skipping quests. If it were more restrictive from the start, perhaps only be able to have 10 skills unlocked at a time (w the possibility of relocking skills once at a certain lvl) it may be more enjoyable
games fine after the starting grind.
Typical Jagex ruining the entire spirit and point of Leagues by giving us unlimited renown after this change since so many kids cried on reddit.
Hard disagree. As a casual player I am super excited to get to practice for some of the bosses I've never done in the main game on easy mode. I don't want to be locked out of half the content in the game like last year.
This gamemode isnt fdr casuals to practice bosses. It's a competitive gamemode..
I’m torn, I enjoy the current renown system. I think some of the things where a little expensive, so that just meant I was doing the quests and not unlocking them which I was fine with. Also I understand the fragment system pretty well and really liked it. Was almost tied 6 had a plan formed about unlocking my last couple skills then the refund news came out. I have no drive to do these quests now.
Just unlock everything and push for tier 7 and do some pvming.
I don't really see a need for the changes since I'm all skills unlocked and a good chunk of quests too and going to hit t6 today. I do get that it is slow go start and not everyone can play as much as I have though so I'm not gonna bitch about getting the rest of my quests done for free and some bosses on top.
If the leagues was longer then the restrictions should stay imo but the fact that it's a month means a week to unlock bosses quests skills ect a week and a bit to get gear depends on rng (went 900 dry on bandos last leagues) and alittle less then a week for real fun fully geared content, now some may argue that oh you need to put more hours into it, well compared to last league I put in about 4to5 hours a day more on the weekends and was able to get and feel accomplished in trailblazer while in this leagues its almost been a week and I've only just unlocked all the skills
Maybe to cater to both parties having the leagues extended by another 2 weeks? Means the sweaty competitors still get a chance to grind their 1k wintertodt :kekw: and the casuals have more time to get where they want to be
Nonetheless I like this nerf
i kinda wanted another trailblazer tbh
I really enjoyed the snowflake aspect of leagues, that was my favorite part about it. Unfortunately its not in this leagues, hopefully its in the next.
Is "fast ironman" necessarily a bad thing? Trading off 'being able to buy higher tier gear and spending tens of thousands of hours of grinding' for 'being forced to experience more of the game at orders of magnitude pacing' seems pretty appealing to anyone who, well, doesn't want to spend tens of thousands of hours grinding.
Nope, not necessarily a bad thing. I'm playing
Im gonna keep playing but yeah the fragments UI is so bad and cringe. And yeah if i dont really have to make choices then whats the point of unlocking specific things in any order? Trailblazer was cool because you could look at someone and kinda tell what they went to unlock, the region specific idea was so good. Doesn't really work here. Feeling op with the fragment combos is nice but i didnt have to make any interesting decisions to arrive at these conclusions.
This is leagues. It’s supposed to be overpowered. For a lot of more casual players, this will be their first experience with a lot of bosses, and will lead them to bossing on their main! This is a good thing, we don’t need to complain about it becoming easier.
100% agree with all of it.
The mode has been great. As good as the others imo.
All that planning and hard work. In a weeks time there'll be so many with everything unlocked being like 'Lol this is easy!' and i'll just want to mush their face into the mud and say 'You weren't there in the early days, you don't know what it was like!'
Well take into account you'll be so far ahead of em
i dont even want to watch this. I'm having a great time.
Someone in my cc with 17k points was reeing about the renowned refund lol lmao
I find it hard to believe that everyone dislikes the upcoming changes. The enjoyment that I’ve been getting out of this league, and to a lesser extent the other leagues, is that we get fun new abilities and quicker exp so I can actually experience the game. I personally have never looked at leagues as a “this is fun because I’m locked out of this content” thing
ive dumped about 80 hours into the first week and I've had a blast. filthy casuals
i'm actually liking leagues so far
Playing a main got too easy, so made an ironman. Now that's getting a lot of qol updates and is getting brain dead easy the past few years. So I made a uim, two of them now. Leagues just reminds me of easy man mode and not appealing at all.
casuals ruin everything
You're an editor? Are you expensive, if I may ask?
Yup! Hahaha.
should be level capped based, easier to unlock skills. But capping you at 10,20,30ect. So you cant just get that lvl 55 attck jump. you need to actually train slow before you have room to get a big drop. Osrs is grindy, duh. League should still have osrs aspects including grinding.
That said Leagues 3 was fine at the beginning. You dont have time or cant step up to the L3 challenge, dont watch everyone else play. Better be a refund on the spent points.
Restrictions make leagues fun, the puzzle.
Dont forget, the less people that play, means less L3 items in the game. $$ it has the best rewards so far. Look at that Shadow Chain whip skin.
100% very enjoyable! Work full time so value my time and this is a fun way to play! As a UIM its fun to just go to the wildy or try new bosses with little risk and big buffs 😁
I like and don’t like the update proposal 🤷🏻♂️