I quickly skimmed through the comments section and didn't notice anyone mention anything about half sword techniques, but as you can see here, if you imagine his rifle was a European bastard sword, you can see that half-swording can be a very effective method of blocking and attacking in close quarters, and during the bind.
It is a shame that soete waza is banned in kendo, it looks effective. Here is Kondo sensei using it against Toda sensei in an exhibition match ua-cam.com/video/Hiq8C6oJzTU/v-deo.htmlm20s
@@Ianmar1, I watched the video and the techniques demonstrated were impressive. I actually didn't know that half sword techniques were illegal in Kendo. Thank you for sharing.
@@TheBlakReaper Just from watching this video, it seems like the kendo person is being held back by rules of sport while the other person was trained for war and probably not held back by any such rules other than "don't hurt the opponent too badly".
i wonder how a bajonet compares to it, like it looksm utch more brutal, tho i guess a sword is lighter and you usually do it against armour wher pressision is more important than pure agession and power
First... Rifles is not made to withstand battering... Second... If you lose your hands that hold the aim grip section... You're dead man... Unlike sword, they have hand protector that hindering sliding blades slicing hands. It's a losing fight from the start.... Just need to aim at the hands that holding aiming grip section if you had a chance or the othe part of the arms...
This is one of the best matches you've done. Like watching a boxer and a slugger go at it; similar but different skillsets, and seeing who could press their advantage. Very satisfying.
K2 fighters techniques reminded me of how halberd wielders used their weapons. Quick inside fighting, close quickly and deal damage. Never thought A distance weapon like A rifle would stand A chance against A Katana. Looks like the ROK army is still teaching the "riddle of the steel" good!
@@Chroma710 Yeap but the advantage of the katana is that you hold it from the base of the blade, so your arms give it extra range. Whereas most rifles have a stock behind the handle, which rests on your forearm and does'nt contribute to the range of the weapon (although that's not its function, but to stabilize the shot).
I love this alot! As a former infantry soldier (US Army Captain), I'd like to see this done again with the rifleman using jukendo rifle. The tip is rounded like a shinai so head shots can be performed. The length of the jukendo is similar to rifles used in the Boshin war. That would be interesting to see.
I suspect that you have seen it, but just incase: (from ww2) ua-cam.com/video/fv7BAhoUMB8/v-deo.html (a bit more recent) ua-cam.com/video/A1dfH982Ozk/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/-6JovC7eWr4/v-deo.htmlm40s
I wonder how this would go with armor enabled? Impacts to the painted zone do not count. I believe it would be possible to parry an attack into the armor, and deflect it, while closing into position. Another thing I noticed is just how sturdy the defense is. Because of the spread out hand position, the rotational site is counterweighted at all times.
Great video! In the future, it would be great to see a match with an older longer rifle. Something like a Springfield Rifle from WW2 or even a Chassepot from the Boshin War, guns with bayonets that would've went up against Katanas.
This makes me wonder how would longer rifle with bayonet do against swords. I'm not a gun expert but i imagine ww1 or ww2 rifle would have comparable weight with longer profile and they were issued with bayonet for trench warfare. You would have similar handling but with greater reach i think, which might nullify the sword's reach advantage
The rifle (specifically the M1) is much, much heavier and the weight balance is more awkward the longer you get. Reach gives you first strike advantage but if you miss, you have 10lb coming at your face.
In WW1 the rifle and bayonet were found to be unwieldy in the close combat of trench raids. Troops on both sides improvised brutal maces made with materials to hand such as grenade cases, wooden stakes wrapped with barbed wires or stuck with nails, sharpened trenching spades. The British bayonet was 55cm long on a 11ocm Lee Enfield. French bayonets were even longer! Jūkendō, bayonet fighting with a practice weapon similar to a shinai is experiencing a revival in Japan I believe.
Originally bayonet tactics were spear tactics because the old black powder rifles you can only fire once or twice before you engage in close combat. If you look at world war 1 and world war II bayonets they're really long over 16 inch blades some even look like short swords. In world war 1 and 2 this exact scenario was still happening infantry men with bayonets against officers with long swords or sabers. I know that the last recorded bayonet charge happened in Iraq with some Marines who were fighting defending a bridge and finally ran out of ammo and the order was given out to fix bayonets. Being Marines they followed orders charge the enemy yelling and screaming like the devil cuz they knew they're going to die and the enemy reportedly retreated. I know that the last time not commissioned officers or officers swords were used in combat with Vietnam and it's mostly because the US military at first either didn't have enough machetes or refuse to issue them because the military is stupid. So when those battles got into close combat Marines do with Marines do and they used every weapon available to include their NCO officer sword, smashing a man's grape with a helmet, using a shovel or tent stake. In fact there are many Marines who carry a modern short sword or hatchet or tomahawk in war zones to this day.
Impressive! this is not a match-up I ever expected to see, but that is what makes this channel so awesome. I suppose a fight like this has happened at some point in history.
@@dramalexi definitely during the Pike and Shot and musket times. I did mean during more modern conflicts like WWI and later, but that's on me for not specifying.
@@TheJhouston I've read two books about the battles between America and France vs. Germany in WW1. So far noone mentioned bringing a sword into the trench. But of course there will be always some sort of a maniac.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 it definitely happened in the Pacific during WWII but also a lot during the Napoleon wars with sabers vs. bayonet and even wars before that period. It happened a lot more than people would probably expect.
Bayonet+rifle is like spear, but shorter & heavier. To make it worse, the handle is in the middle. In total the reach is like a short sword but handles like a spear. Against sword its better to put lead hand behind the mag.
@@Epic-pf8od But modern rifle and carbine couldn't compare to short spear length and balance though. So One hand sword like sabre and rapier would have reach advantage against most of the modern infantry firearm with bayonet fixed.
@@Epic-pf8od no it's not. A musket rifle definitely yes. But the short modern rifle definitely not. Sabre or rapier length combine length of an arm can easily give reach advantage over modern rifle with bayonet fixed, why you might ask? Because you need to hold your rifle with two handed and that why the swing and thrust would be quite limited. P.S. Have you ever see sabre or rapier fencing before? Becaue it's seem to me that have no clue about thrustingor swinging range one-handed sword with considerable length look like.
The bayonet is simply another type of spear, only instead of putting a pointy thing on a stick, you put a pointy thing on a BOOMstick. Incidentally, bayonet fighting is similar to Batleth fighting as well. I personally want to see them use a bear spear, but I doubt an 8 foot long spear will fit in that dojo
I love this. They're almost equally matched and this perfectly exposes the strengths and weaknesses of each. The bayonet is a close quarters weapon, and if he gets in close, where the katana can't swing the bayonet is almost guaranteed a hit. The katana is a long sword, and when he kept the bayonet at distance, the katana was able to take advantage of its reach.
Honestly depends with what kind of bayonet you use, modern bayonets issued by modern armies tend to be shorter, but old bayonets dating even back to ww1 tend to be more longer + the rifle's length. So back then, bayonets on your gun made it essentially a spear.
Hello Korean bro. I’m Japanese army boy. In JSDF still now are training 銃剣道（bayonet combat version Kendo）. That is traditional sport during before Ww2 the imperial army era”s sport
Pretty much. :) The downside to bayonets is that real rifles are quite heavy AND not terribly agile, so they won't have the same kind of speed or maneuverability of a shortspear. Still, as the video shows, never underestimate the effectiveness of a guy with a sharp blade with some reach to it. ;)
@@Zaxares Against one-hand sword which handguard like sabre and rapier thing might get worse bayonet guy though. As those kind of sword usually have more reach than bayonet fixed on modern rifle.
@@Zaxares Modern carbines can be very light, easily under 7lbs. Actually, the WWII-era M1 Carbine weighed under 6lbs unloaded and was very maneuverable and handy at 90cm (3') total length.
This is by far the most fking awesome kendo video i watched on the internet, i like both kendo and military stuff and this video cross-over these awesome things, good one!
I gotta say, I've had a matchup like this in my mind for a long time and seeing it done irl is amazing, even if it is a bit short. It is the type of weird fight I'd want to incorporate into a story. Longer version plz, with the same gun and/or a WWI type as those weapons were much longer. Tyvm for such a great video, good inspiration for me to write such an encounter.
I wonder how much the fighting style would change if the rifle was changed to a old bolt action rifle with a sword bayonet? Kind of like the ones used during WW1
It changed less based on the bayonet but more based on the rifle itself. Modern rifles are shorter and lighter which has its pros and cons. Modern rifles use a pistol grip which can be use to push the weapon with more force. An old bolt action wouldn’t have that so you use it more like a spear. Modern combat rifles have detachable 30 round magazines (on average) it would be used like a swords guard.
Had a mentor when I was a teenager that was a US Staff Sergeant that had just come back from Korea. He taught me a great respect for the Korean people and armed forces. Good on you for your service!
Will armor be a factor? How long is the rifle? Also, note something. The position of the hands is more vulnerable but makes the weapon hard to displace, solid hits that might have knocked aside or defeated a regular defense just meet hard steel. Another thing is that there is slightly faster rotation I would think...
Basically kendo vs jukendo kkkkkk. But an interesting fact is that in ww1 bayonets often got stuck on enemy's body and exposed soldier to nearby enemies, so blunt and cutting melee weapon were more reliabe in several circunstances.
This does highlight that bayonettes are a bit of a compromise and are not as effective at close quarters as a weapon built specifically for the task, however as we ALSO see here, it can be a rather effective compromise if used correctly. Great matches!
i commented requesting a video of bayonet vs katana fight 4 months ago on the dual blades of musashi video, only had one like but I like to think I helped inspire this video :))
This reminds me of GATE episode 6. And it always nice to see them sparring aggressively so that we can see the full potential of each weapons' capabilities.
The bayonet has the advantage of being able to do difficult-to-block thrusting attack but has the disadvantage of only having that as your most available attack technique and also having a heavier (?) weapon
Really love this video but man bayonets we’re terrifying when they were in use by militaries. My grandma told me a story of how she saw a kid stabbed by a Japanese soldier with a bayonet, and that Japanese soldier proudly carried around the boys dead body on his bayonet like some sick trophy. Sadly, Japanese soldiers are still praised in Japan for the gruesome violence they committed back in ww2 days
It is interesting that bayonets and rifles were muuuuuuuuuch longer back in the day, I suppose since back then the bayonet was far more of a mainline weapon rather than a utility knife and training tool we have nowadays. Would be neat to see how, say, a Brown Bess with a bayonet would do against a spear.
The kendo is seriously holding the sword fighter back I think. 1. Once he gets the headshot in, he does zero defence on the followup counter blows. 2. He is very preoccupied with fast headshots and only that. 3. As soon as the bayonet comes within close range, he loses control, with just random motions here and there. 4. No stop thrusts. No gun grabs. No cuts except from top. No leg shots. No down to up cuts. I think against someone wielding the full arsenal of sword combat a bayonet would have no chance. Specially against a swordsman this incredibly quick and so short a gun.
I feel like this style of sword martial art suffers against thrusting attacks in particular, because the sword is always center line, I think some other sword art that makes usr of fo center guard positions would be much better in this situation, German longsword is the easiest example of this that I can point to, it makes good use of many guard positions that make deflecting thrusts much easier while in the same motion setting you up for a good counter attack.
Wonderful video! I expect the replica rifle weighs half of what a real one does so it's maybe more agile than the real thing. The bayonet is probably at a disadvantage vs a sword but of course, it's on a RIFLE!😂 The bayonet dates back to early matchlock guns that were unreliable and had a low rate of fire, but it seems it still has utility in the modern day.
Rob, usually those replicas are worth the donut - same feel and weight of the real deal. Also, bayonet fighting is still a thing and surely It will be for long - hardly anything is more nerve-wrecking than to hear the opposing force commander shout "FIX BAYONETS!" - that means the opposing force is driven to kill and maim up close.
Personal opinion. Swords man: Side step the trust cut the legs, he leaves it exposed and out in front of him. Keep ya distance and cut the fingers. Gun/knife: you did very good actually just watch that leg, he got a longer reach but didn’t take advantage of it. I would of. I’m not warrior but I’m down to try it myself to see how I hold up lmao (but broke so can’t fly out sorry)
My biggest gripe of this video is how the army guy was fighting against Kendo practitioner instead of a more dynamic Kenjutsu, with a common hand to hand combat practice. Kendo (yes its also a Kenjutsu) is more of a discipline practice & footworks instead of combat oriented practice. This same channel used to feature a video of Kendo fighting against Kenjutsu and the Kendo guy gets whacked almost 80% of the time. Kendo guy in this video mentioned how his defense was completely open when the bayonet guy gets personal, this wouldn't be the case if Kendo practice allows for wrestling, rifle & a bayonet is closer to a polearm, lots of other samurai sparring allows for one handed wielding of their own sword while manipulating their enemy weapon with their other arm, this would greatly impact the effectiveness of the soldier's bayonet rifle, much like a soldier with a spear, you can grab the non bladed part of the spear, while they would think twice to grab your all-bladed sword. its common knowledge that spear is terrible within personal range, and that is why Bayonet gets significantly shorter through the ages, to further increase its effectiveness at closer range, even average guns gets shorter due to same reason. (Also cuz bullets gets better) I'm not saying Kendo is a bad Martial art, I'm saying its not a good representation of how a soldier with a bayonet & a soldier with a sword would fight in close combat with this two contrasting martial art with different purpose.
Bayonets historically got longer through the ages to increase reach even as barrels got shorter due to smokeless powder in order to keep the reach, they only got shorter once ammunition production got fast enough and high quality enough to support mass-issue of self-loading rifles, which made the bayonet more of a niche weapon.
@@ghost-jesus i don't think bayonets gets longer through the ages, check out bayonets for modern assault rifle & bayonets made for line infantry, not only that modern bayonet tend to also double as a utility knife, musket/percussion/needle rifle bayonets are much much longer.
@@black_thunder2159 literally only read the first half of my comment, modern bayonets aren't even really meant to be used as a bayonet, theyre made to be used as knives, the bayonet function is really ceremonial and you can tell by the fact that they are too short to be used effectively and the edges are sharp, which makes them get stuck too easily.
It never occurred to me before, but fights like this were probably some of the more common types of melee engagements in modern military history. Most infantrymen were armed with rifles/muskets and bayonets, so a rifleman fighting against an enemy officer or a cavalryman whose lost his horse would probably have looked something like this.
What makes this interesting is the lopsided side difference: the kendoka is a head taller than the soldier, and as such has considerable advantage in certain aspects. How would these engagements go against a kendoka of the same height as the soldier?
@@Ianmar1Sure, but sometimes making a sacrifice is necessary to 'win.' Adaptivity is important. You can sacrifice power for reach, if needed. I felt like it may have been, and could have altered the outcome. Especially since it is a shinai and they can use it to keep opponents at bay, rather than pierce their body. Keep in mind, I'm not saying this person did anything wrong, or that I'm better than them. Just an unprofessional observation.
@@Ianmar1 katate tsuki or 1 handed thrust (with only the left hand) is very safe since the range is double compare to 2 handed and and you're not in range for a counter blow.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Very true, but that reach is at the expense of recovery time. If he is parried he might have enough range to retreat but he will not redouble. I don't love my recovery time on katate tsuki with my (560g) shinai, I don't believe that a (1200g) katana will improve things.
something most countries ignore nowadays in training is bayonet training, as a marine told me long ago, it's better to have a bayonet and not needing to use it rather than not having one and needing it, same with 40mm grenade launchers edit: this would be cool with the type 56 spear bayonet (chinese ak47) or the sks spear bayonet
Interesting vid exploring an interesting question modern bayonet against sword. A good start but for exploring needed within confines of safety. With this assuming run out of bullets and purely based on hand to hand. The modern day protection hasn’t been factored in such as helmets and body armour. Could a sword penetrate modern armour answer mostly no so places where would be hit not a kill or injury shot. Yes different armies and with those armies different regiments use different armours such as special ops tend to have bare minimum small front and back with no side protection. Whilst standard infantry tends to have more protection bigger protection front and back it’s sides. Important factor here is swords didn’t go out of fashion due to the gun. Question is should swords be reintroduced and how effective are they now. What type of sword would be effective etc.
A bayonet makes your rifle effectively a short spear. Think more like a Jo Stick or pugil fighting. If you can win a fight like that, then a bayonet will work. Naturally, the longer your rifle, the better the bayonet drill works. The carbines that most modern armies use for increasingly urbanized combat operations are less useful with a bayonet than the classic battle rifles of the mid 20th century. Either way, I like your content. Subscribed.
Bro, there's some Gulf War and Vietnam war vets out there who took bayonet drills so seriously, I'm convinced they'd win against a Knight in plate armor lol.
I quickly skimmed through the comments section and didn't notice anyone mention anything about half sword techniques, but as you can see here, if you imagine his rifle was a European bastard sword, you can see that half-swording can be a very effective method of blocking and attacking in close quarters, and during the bind.
It is a shame that soete waza is banned in kendo, it looks effective. Here is Kondo sensei using it against Toda sensei in an exhibition match
ua-cam.com/video/Hiq8C6oJzTU/v-deo.htmlm20s
@@Ianmar1, I watched the video and the techniques demonstrated were impressive. I actually didn't know that half sword techniques were illegal in Kendo. Thank you for sharing.
@@TheBlakReaper Just from watching this video, it seems like the kendo person is being held back by rules of sport while the other person was trained for war and probably not held back by any such rules other than "don't hurt the opponent too badly".
i wonder how a bajonet compares to it, like it looksm utch more brutal, tho i guess a sword is lighter and you usually do it against armour wher pressision is more important than pure agession and power
First... Rifles is not made to withstand battering...
Second... If you lose your hands that hold the aim grip section... You're dead man... Unlike sword, they have hand protector that hindering sliding blades slicing hands. It's a losing fight from the start.... Just need to aim at the hands that holding aiming grip section if you had a chance or the othe part of the arms...
A bayonet completes a rifle.
Flechette rifles are the ultimate weapon, then.
Rifle completes bayonet*
@@user-yc8od7in6c This is not a school Dont tell someone to be fancy
Me with a carabiner rifle mounted bayonet: **Locks and load** *"Prepare to die"*
When engagements happen at 200-500 meters,
A bayonet is just a nuisance to carry
This is one of the best matches you've done. Like watching a boxer and a slugger go at it; similar but different skillsets, and seeing who could press their advantage. Very satisfying.
K2 fighters techniques reminded me of how halberd wielders used their weapons. Quick inside fighting, close quickly and deal damage. Never thought A distance weapon like A rifle would stand A chance against A Katana. Looks like the ROK army is still teaching the "riddle of the steel" good!
A bayonet makes a rifle a short spear, and short spears are incredibly effective. Lindybeige did a very good video on this.
Katanas are really short. They're around 85cms in blade length. A rifle could be as long as 100cm without including the bayonet.
"Spirit of the Bayonet" the old World War II U.S. Army manual calls it.
@@Epic-pf8od I would call it more of a Naginata. As a bayonet equipped rifle has the ability to cut and thrust. But you are correct
@@Chroma710 Yeap but the advantage of the katana is that you hold it from the base of the blade, so your arms give it extra range. Whereas most rifles have a stock behind the handle, which rests on your forearm and does'nt contribute to the range of the weapon (although that's not its function, but to stabilize the shot).
I love this alot! As a former infantry soldier (US Army Captain), I'd like to see this done again with the rifleman using jukendo rifle. The tip is rounded like a shinai so head shots can be performed. The length of the jukendo is similar to rifles used in the Boshin war. That would be interesting to see.
I suspect that you have seen it, but just incase:
(from ww2)
ua-cam.com/video/fv7BAhoUMB8/v-deo.html
(a bit more recent)
ua-cam.com/video/A1dfH982Ozk/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/-6JovC7eWr4/v-deo.htmlm40s
@@Ianmar1 I've seen lot's of WW2 films of combatives but all of them were OSS and US Coast Guard.
That was a resemblance from type 22 Murata (but dumb jukendo gun version)
I wonder how this would go with armor enabled? Impacts to the painted zone do not count.
I believe it would be possible to parry an attack into the armor, and deflect it, while closing into position.
Another thing I noticed is just how sturdy the defense is. Because of the spread out hand position, the rotational site is counterweighted at all times.
MCMAP ?
Great video! In the future, it would be great to see a match with an older longer rifle. Something like a Springfield Rifle from WW2 or even a Chassepot from the Boshin War, guns with bayonets that would've went up against Katanas.
Here you go!
(from ww2)
ua-cam.com/video/fv7BAhoUMB8/v-deo.html
(a bit more recent)
ua-cam.com/video/A1dfH982Ozk/v-deo.html
Using bayonets are an actual martial art in Japan that’s probably why
@@CaitlynWongSkate the Marine Corps still teaches bayonet techniques as well
@@longassdick most militaries do, but the bayonets themselves are more ceremonial these days
The m1903 was already the standard rifle of the US army since since WW1
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I love how hes doing the 'Army Men' toy pose for those bayonette guys.
This makes me wonder how would longer rifle with bayonet do against swords. I'm not a gun expert but i imagine ww1 or ww2 rifle would have comparable weight with longer profile and they were issued with bayonet for trench warfare. You would have similar handling but with greater reach i think, which might nullify the sword's reach advantage
The rifle (specifically the M1) is much, much heavier and the weight balance is more awkward the longer you get.
Reach gives you first strike advantage but if you miss, you have 10lb coming at your face.
In WW1 the rifle and bayonet were found to be unwieldy in the close combat of trench raids. Troops on both sides improvised brutal maces made with materials to hand such as grenade cases, wooden stakes wrapped with barbed wires or stuck with nails, sharpened trenching spades. The British bayonet was 55cm long on a 11ocm Lee Enfield. French bayonets were even longer!
Jūkendō, bayonet fighting with a practice weapon similar to a shinai is experiencing a revival in Japan I believe.
Originally bayonet tactics were spear tactics because the old black powder rifles you can only fire once or twice before you engage in close combat. If you look at world war 1 and world war II bayonets they're really long over 16 inch blades some even look like short swords. In world war 1 and 2 this exact scenario was still happening infantry men with bayonets against officers with long swords or sabers. I know that the last recorded bayonet charge happened in Iraq with some Marines who were fighting defending a bridge and finally ran out of ammo and the order was given out to fix bayonets. Being Marines they followed orders charge the enemy yelling and screaming like the devil cuz they knew they're going to die and the enemy reportedly retreated. I know that the last time not commissioned officers or officers swords were used in combat with Vietnam and it's mostly because the US military at first either didn't have enough machetes or refuse to issue them because the military is stupid. So when those battles got into close combat Marines do with Marines do and they used every weapon available to include their NCO officer sword, smashing a man's grape with a helmet, using a shovel or tent stake. In fact there are many Marines who carry a modern short sword or hatchet or tomahawk in war zones to this day.
An M16 is 1,0 m, a Garand is 1,1 m.
tbf, in a trench warfare a longer sword is not practical either.
Impressive! this is not a match-up I ever expected to see, but that is what makes this channel so awesome. I suppose a fight like this has happened at some point in history.
For a very long period, rifles weren't as effective as they are today. So yeah battles like these happened quite a lot.
@@dramalexi definitely during the Pike and Shot and musket times.
I did mean during more modern conflicts like WWI and later, but that's on me for not specifying.
@@TheJhouston I've read two books about the battles between America and France vs. Germany in WW1. So far noone mentioned bringing a sword into the trench. But of course there will be always some sort of a maniac.
@@dramalexi The Japanese did bring swords to WWII, so this type of matchup likely happened then.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 it definitely happened in the Pacific during WWII but also a lot during the Napoleon wars with sabers vs. bayonet and even wars before that period. It happened a lot more than people would probably expect.
Bayonet+rifle is like spear, but shorter & heavier. To make it worse, the handle is in the middle.
In total the reach is like a short sword but handles like a spear. Against sword its better to put lead hand behind the mag.
Short spear trumps sword imo.
I think it would be better to detach the bayonet and use it as a knife.
@@Epic-pf8od But modern rifle and carbine couldn't compare to short spear length and balance though. So One hand sword like sabre and rapier would have reach advantage against most of the modern infantry firearm with bayonet fixed.
@@inquisitorsteele8397 A rifle has more reach. A carbine with an extendable stock would have one similar to the sword.
@@Epic-pf8od no it's not. A musket rifle definitely yes. But the short modern rifle definitely not. Sabre or rapier length combine length of an arm can easily give reach advantage over modern rifle with bayonet fixed, why you might ask? Because you need to hold your rifle with two handed and that why the swing and thrust would be quite limited.
P.S. Have you ever see sabre or rapier fencing before? Becaue it's seem to me that have no clue about thrustingor swinging range one-handed sword with considerable length look like.
The bayonet is simply another type of spear, only instead of putting a pointy thing on a stick, you put a pointy thing on a BOOMstick. Incidentally, bayonet fighting is similar to Batleth fighting as well. I personally want to see them use a bear spear, but I doubt an 8 foot long spear will fit in that dojo
I love this. They're almost equally matched and this perfectly exposes the strengths and weaknesses of each.
The bayonet is a close quarters weapon, and if he gets in close, where the katana can't swing the bayonet is almost guaranteed a hit.
The katana is a long sword, and when he kept the bayonet at distance, the katana was able to take advantage of its reach.
Honestly depends with what kind of bayonet you use, modern bayonets issued by modern armies tend to be shorter, but old bayonets dating even back to ww1 tend to be more longer + the rifle's length. So back then, bayonets on your gun made it essentially a spear.
Hello Korean bro.
I’m Japanese army boy.
In JSDF still now are training 銃剣道（bayonet combat version Kendo）.
That is traditional sport during before Ww2 the imperial army era”s sport
Bayonet on rifle = short spear, yes a short spear can stand with a Katana.
Pretty much. :) The downside to bayonets is that real rifles are quite heavy AND not terribly agile, so they won't have the same kind of speed or maneuverability of a shortspear. Still, as the video shows, never underestimate the effectiveness of a guy with a sharp blade with some reach to it. ;)
@@Zaxares Against one-hand sword which handguard like sabre and rapier thing might get worse bayonet guy though. As those kind of sword usually have more reach than bayonet fixed on modern rifle.
nah, if the kendo guy thrust, the rifle guy is over.
@@Zaxares Modern carbines can be very light, easily under 7lbs. Actually, the WWII-era M1 Carbine weighed under 6lbs unloaded and was very maneuverable and handy at 90cm (3') total length.
The bayonet user was so quick with his hits!
This is by far the most fking awesome kendo video i watched on the internet, i like both kendo and military stuff and this video cross-over these awesome things, good one!
I gotta say, I've had a matchup like this in my mind for a long time and seeing it done irl is amazing, even if it is a bit short. It is the type of weird fight I'd want to incorporate into a story.
Longer version plz, with the same gun and/or a WWI type as those weapons were much longer. Tyvm for such a great video, good inspiration for me to write such an encounter.
Two equally matched fighters. The soldier used his rifle like that pole arm with the katana blade attached to. Very good video 💖💖💖💖🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I wonder how much the fighting style would change if the rifle was changed to a old bolt action rifle with a sword bayonet? Kind of like the ones used during WW1
It changed less based on the bayonet but more based on the rifle itself.
Modern rifles are shorter and lighter which has its pros and cons. Modern rifles use a pistol grip which can be use to push the weapon with more force. An old bolt action wouldn’t have that so you use it more like a spear. Modern combat rifles have detachable 30 round magazines (on average) it would be used like a swords guard.
it's basically a boom-spear, tho the bolt action rifles would have longer range
@@QuestionableAdviser_ yeah i was wondering if it would handle more like a spear due to its shape and length
Super interesting.! In very close the bayonet has it, close the gap and almost every time was a kill. Or a dual kill. Loved this one. ❤️
If modern soldier was a hero in For Honour: 3:30
Pirate 2.0
That's actually a cool thing to imagine
Lmao 🤣
special hitzones in the body and head protect from all damage. yes, all.
modern armor is very very durable, but covers little.
Butt strike could work very well as a Parry move
Had a mentor when I was a teenager that was a US Staff Sergeant that had just come back from Korea. He taught me a great respect for the Korean people and armed forces. Good on you for your service!
this video is so good! I really want some action scenes in movies with people out of ammo fighting with bayonets!
VERY REALLISTIC. WELL DONE.
When you bring a gun to a sword fight but the gunman wants to do it melee style.
Love these videos!!
Wow- this has some fantastic timing. I was just getting set to write a bayoneted rifle vs katana sequence.
Will armor be a factor?
How long is the rifle?
Also, note something. The position of the hands is more vulnerable but makes the weapon hard to displace, solid hits that might have knocked aside or defeated a regular defense just meet hard steel. Another thing is that there is slightly faster rotation I would think...
Great sparring! Top level on both sides imho
As a Canadian kendo enthusiast who’s also in the infantry reserves here as well this made me pretty happy to see
Thanks for the good training video 👍🏻
Great video!
The Present Arms at the end was a great touch.
This was very cool to see!
The Daewoo is such a nice rifle, I wanna add it to my collection eventually
Basically kendo vs jukendo kkkkkk. But an interesting fact is that in ww1 bayonets often got stuck on enemy's body and exposed soldier to nearby enemies, so blunt and cutting melee weapon were more reliabe in several circunstances.
I train with a hanbo much like the rifleman. A really great video, gentlemen!
So much fun to watch and study!
This does highlight that bayonettes are a bit of a compromise and are not as effective at close quarters as a weapon built specifically for the task, however as we ALSO see here, it can be a rather effective compromise if used correctly. Great matches!
i commented requesting a video of bayonet vs katana fight 4 months ago on the dual blades of musashi video, only had one like but I like to think I helped inspire this video :))
WOW!
What an awesome channel!
This reminds me of GATE episode 6. And it always nice to see them sparring aggressively so that we can see the full potential of each weapons' capabilities.
The bayonet has the advantage of being able to do difficult-to-block thrusting attack but has the disadvantage of only having that as your most available attack technique and also having a heavier (?) weapon
Really love this video but man bayonets we’re terrifying when they were in use by militaries. My grandma told me a story of how she saw a kid stabbed by a Japanese soldier with a bayonet, and that Japanese soldier proudly carried around the boys dead body on his bayonet like some sick trophy. Sadly, Japanese soldiers are still praised in Japan for the gruesome violence they committed back in ww2 days
Japan isn't taught about ww2 in schools. They don't know what their soldiers did.
Your from the Philippines? Or Chinese?
Loved the matches but I feel like the Bayonet on a rifle vs sword is just 'short, weirdly shaped (and possibly unwieldy) spear vs sword'
これは中々、面白い検証動画やな
どっこいどっこいなのがこれまた
面白いなw
This was awesome to watch.
As someone who never practiced with a bayonet in army (arty kinda dont...) this is incredebly fasinating to see!
The bayonet will never be obsolete.
It is interesting that bayonets and rifles were muuuuuuuuuch longer back in the day, I suppose since back then the bayonet was far more of a mainline weapon rather than a utility knife and training tool we have nowadays.
Would be neat to see how, say, a Brown Bess with a bayonet would do against a spear.
It was mainly against cavalry
Oh I'd definitely like to see a katana vs dane axe video vikings vs samurai that would be interesting.
Thank you for satisfying my curiosity 😌
二人共、本当に強いというのが見てわかります
銃剣と剣道、どちらかが一方的にならず、互角の戦いなのが見ていて面白いです
このような企画、また見てみたいです
With bolt-action rifles, the reach advantage offered by the bayonet is even greater.
The kendo is seriously holding the sword fighter back I think.
1. Once he gets the headshot in, he does zero defence on the followup counter blows.
2. He is very preoccupied with fast headshots and only that.
3. As soon as the bayonet comes within close range, he loses control, with just random motions here and there.
4. No stop thrusts. No gun grabs. No cuts except from top. No leg shots. No down to up cuts.
I think against someone wielding the full arsenal of sword combat a bayonet would have no chance. Specially against a swordsman this incredibly quick and so short a gun.
Koreans hate Katana, biased video.
Must be repressed war memories.
@@mayrokratt6195 what
@@patatas08 this video is biased and is not how real combat would play out, also many koreans lost their heads to the Katana
I feel like this style of sword martial art suffers against thrusting attacks in particular, because the sword is always center line, I think some other sword art that makes usr of fo center guard positions would be much better in this situation, German longsword is the easiest example of this that I can point to, it makes good use of many guard positions that make deflecting thrusts much easier while in the same motion setting you up for a good counter attack.
Wonderful video! I expect the replica rifle weighs half of what a real one does so it's maybe more agile than the real thing. The bayonet is probably at a disadvantage vs a sword but of course, it's on a RIFLE!😂 The bayonet dates back to early matchlock guns that were unreliable and had a low rate of fire, but it seems it still has utility in the modern day.
Rob, usually those replicas are worth the donut - same feel and weight of the real deal.
Also, bayonet fighting is still a thing and surely It will be for long - hardly anything is more nerve-wrecking than to hear the opposing force commander shout "FIX BAYONETS!" - that means the opposing force is driven to kill and maim up close.
I loved that!
Cool so basically jukendo vs kendo
Scenarios like this had to have played out between US soldiers and Japanese during WW2 on some occasions and thats crazy to think about.
Riffle with bayonet brought means "the last stands until death"
That was awesome
We should bring back really long bayonets like at least 17 inches
Personal opinion. Swords man: Side step the trust cut the legs, he leaves it exposed and out in front of him. Keep ya distance and cut the fingers. Gun/knife: you did very good actually just watch that leg, he got a longer reach but didn’t take advantage of it. I would of. I’m not warrior but I’m down to try it myself to see how I hold up lmao (but broke so can’t fly out sorry)
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"I choose the assault rifle."
"So you're going for a range build?"
"No."
Bayonets are essentially short spears. Of course they can.
Looks like the odd angles of the magazine and pistol grip are perfect for catching that katana for blocks so he can get in close
A bayonet attached to a gun is like a spear but it’s a knife attached to a gun
My biggest gripe of this video is how the army guy was fighting against Kendo practitioner instead of a more dynamic Kenjutsu, with a common hand to hand combat practice.
Kendo (yes its also a Kenjutsu) is more of a discipline practice & footworks instead of combat oriented practice.
This same channel used to feature a video of Kendo fighting against Kenjutsu and the Kendo guy gets whacked almost 80% of the time.
Kendo guy in this video mentioned how his defense was completely open when the bayonet guy gets personal, this wouldn't be the case if Kendo practice allows for wrestling, rifle & a bayonet is closer to a polearm, lots of other samurai sparring allows for one handed wielding of their own sword while manipulating their enemy weapon with their other arm, this would greatly impact the effectiveness of the soldier's bayonet rifle, much like a soldier with a spear, you can grab the non bladed part of the spear, while they would think twice to grab your all-bladed sword.
its common knowledge that spear is terrible within personal range, and that is why Bayonet gets significantly shorter through the ages, to further increase its effectiveness at closer range, even average guns gets shorter due to same reason. (Also cuz bullets gets better)
I'm not saying Kendo is a bad Martial art, I'm saying its not a good representation of how a soldier with a bayonet & a soldier with a sword would fight in close combat with this two contrasting martial art with different purpose.
Bayonets historically got longer through the ages to increase reach even as barrels got shorter due to smokeless powder in order to keep the reach, they only got shorter once ammunition production got fast enough and high quality enough to support mass-issue of self-loading rifles, which made the bayonet more of a niche weapon.
@@ghost-jesus i don't think bayonets gets longer through the ages, check out bayonets for modern assault rifle & bayonets made for line infantry, not only that modern bayonet tend to also double as a utility knife, musket/percussion/needle rifle bayonets are much much longer.
@@black_thunder2159 literally only read the first half of my comment, modern bayonets aren't even really meant to be used as a bayonet, theyre made to be used as knives, the bayonet function is really ceremonial and you can tell by the fact that they are too short to be used effectively and the edges are sharp, which makes them get stuck too easily.
It never occurred to me before, but fights like this were probably some of the more common types of melee engagements in modern military history. Most infantrymen were armed with rifles/muskets and bayonets, so a rifleman fighting against an enemy officer or a cavalryman whose lost his horse would probably have looked something like this.
In Japan there is a martial art that teaches the way of the bayonet: Jukendo.
What makes this interesting is the lopsided side difference: the kendoka is a head taller than the soldier, and as such has considerable advantage in certain aspects. How would these engagements go against a kendoka of the same height as the soldier?
Love it the bajonet stays a true deadly weapon
Very interesting match up.
So a bayonet low key makes you better than an average medieval infantry man if they don't chop your gun .
spears are always effective and have always been the go to war weapon even in ancient greece
a bayonet on a gun is practically a makeshift spear
If you hold the rifle a certain way, you can squeeze this lever called a trigger, this will ensure a higher chance to win agaijst the katana
I feel like you should use more thrusting attacks against the bayonet, to counter his thrusts.
Thrusts while deadly do not have the stopping power of dismembered limbs and cuts to the face.
@@Ianmar1Sure, but sometimes making a sacrifice is necessary to 'win.' Adaptivity is important. You can sacrifice power for reach, if needed. I felt like it may have been, and could have altered the outcome. Especially since it is a shinai and they can use it to keep opponents at bay, rather than pierce their body.
Keep in mind, I'm not saying this person did anything wrong, or that I'm better than them. Just an unprofessional observation.
@@chaos_omega Perhaps, but I am speculating here that you lose your reach advantage and risk a double kill
@@Ianmar1 katate tsuki or 1 handed thrust (with only the left hand) is very safe since the range is double compare to 2 handed and and you're not in range for a counter blow.
@@jaketheasianguy3307 Very true, but that reach is at the expense of recovery time. If he is parried he might have enough range to retreat but he will not redouble.
I don't love my recovery time on katate tsuki with my (560g) shinai, I don't believe that a (1200g) katana will improve things.
Anyone noticed that he can also use Indiana Jones's tactic? The one he used with his handgun against swordsman? 😁😁😁
oh second comment, you guys should try the bat'leth from star trek. it works real well with bayonet and rifle training
Not to mention, that if on the battlefield, get managed to fire at you while he is thrusting at your lower torso.
You should do a proper match of Kendo vs Jūkendo (bayonet kendo) that would be more professional of you
Keep in mind, the guy with the bayonet, will also be wearing a Kevlar & potentially Plates.
never thought a bayonet would be this effective, oh well the more you know😝
The idea that you would use a rifle against a sword like that makes me think somebody probably drives you to work.
Bayonet fighting it's like Half Swording with a longsword surprisingly but with limited angle of attack
something most countries ignore nowadays in training is bayonet training, as a marine told me long ago, it's better to have a bayonet and not needing to use it rather than not having one and needing it, same with 40mm grenade launchers
edit: this would be cool with the type 56 spear bayonet (chinese ak47) or the sks spear bayonet
I'm amazed that so far people are praising the bayonet and sword on their performance. I was expecting to find "Just load the gun. End of story!"
I think this is for scenarios where you areout of ammo or close quarter
Это мега круто! Штыковой бой это нечто!
Wow!!
"You can't bring a gun to a sword fight"
*brings Bayonete"
Interesting vid exploring an interesting question modern bayonet against sword. A good start but for exploring needed within confines of safety. With this assuming run out of bullets and purely based on hand to hand. The modern day protection hasn’t been factored in such as helmets and body armour. Could a sword penetrate modern armour answer mostly no so places where would be hit not a kill or injury shot. Yes different armies and with those armies different regiments use different armours such as special ops tend to have bare minimum small front and back with no side protection. Whilst standard infantry tends to have more protection bigger protection front and back it’s sides. Important factor here is swords didn’t go out of fashion due to the gun. Question is should swords be reintroduced and how effective are they now. What type of sword would be effective etc.
A bayonet makes your rifle effectively a short spear. Think more like a Jo Stick or pugil fighting. If you can win a fight like that, then a bayonet will work.
Naturally, the longer your rifle, the better the bayonet drill works. The carbines that most modern armies use for increasingly urbanized combat operations are less useful with a bayonet than the classic battle rifles of the mid 20th century.
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Bro, there's some Gulf War and Vietnam war vets out there who took bayonet drills so seriously, I'm convinced they'd win against a Knight in plate armor lol.
A question that many GIs asked themselves during the Pacific theater in ww2
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Another example of don't bring a sword to a gun fight! The rifle man was amazingly fast!
i know its not related but gun with bayonet vs blade really made me curious after the anime GATE fight scene
Same lol
His yells sound like the Ice King from Castle Crashers
can they do cqc next?