Adding that length of cable alone to any ignition system is going to have effects. I get the intentions, but the execution was poor. Respect to all the lads for doing these interviews with such professionalism, after suffering the cost of this failed experiment.
Yeah I was surprised with how well they all spoke at a time when they probably could have really gone off. A few others have mentioned the length of the wiring as a potential issue. A shame because the work and idea is something that we all want to be a positive thing. Thanks for watching and commenting! Toby
Yankee checking in. I'm 65, I've been involved with dirt racers back in the day. I can say with some certainty that after this type of fiasco that if the sanctioning body tried to add that or any other device to the car at a race, the owner would load the car up and leave. Saw it on more than one occasion back in the day.
This is just sad. There has to be some accountability here. Especially on opening night. Williamson Motorsport, Keen Racing Team, James Inglis Motorsport & Kris Coyle Motorsport need to take this further without question.
Compensation for impacted teams and reset series points. 2 of the last 3 champions been hit by this. SCCA acting like it’s just a coincidence that 4 out of 4 cars had issues. Insane
Good that they are testing and hope they keep at it, fans will become disinterested if integrity cannot be maintained, too many rumors of traction control being used, generally where there is smoke there is fire
The processor (spark box) takes a signal from the generator and converts it to a high tension spark which it then sends back to the cap/rotor and on to the appropriate spark plug. This all needs to be perfectly synchronised to enable each plug to fire at exactly the right time BTDC. At 8,000 engine rpm (4000 generator rpm). This needs happens 66 times per second every second. Interrupting the communication between the generator and the box with anything even a piece of wire that has a higher resistance than it should has the potential to play merry hell with ignition timing and as result engine performance. I haven’t seen what this unit consists of but if it in fact does interrupt that harness then I’d certainly be taking the whole ignition system including generator , box , leads etc and running it up on a test bench with and without this thing installed for starters. It would be interesting to hear what MSD has to say about adding something to that circuit as well.
I get what they are trying to do but it was rumoured years ago, that they had a chip that was attached to fishing line that they’d pull out after a run anyway and pop up sleeves while leaving track. So if anyone was running something (not saying they were) but they could have removed anyway. Great vid Toby👌
The experiment should have happened on a Wednesday night practice and not during a race meeting, plus engine builders should have been consulted and compensation sorted should anything go wrong. To many questions unanswered
It's a shame this is the talking point from the opening night of the Perth Motorplex when we had 13 cars go under the track record with Micheal Pickens doing a 12.460 ,Jack Williamson getting a heat win. The record opening night crowd of 7000 people.
Good kiwi taking the track record!We are dominating you Aussies at the moment on the sporting front 😊…rugby netball soon to be league this weekend when we smoke the kangaroo’s…go Michael Pickens!
I'm assuming that teams run different ignition boxes or at least their settings. If traction control is an issue, surely the SCCA could mandate a standard ignition box across for all sprintcar engines with standard settings.
Not much. Not much at all, especially when the track is super heavy. They want all they can get. Engines are pretty much the same except for parts manufacturer and they all have really good parts or they would be out of business
Ive personally chased a misfire for months on an AMCA National Speedway car that came down to the chinese starter button that had been wired in instead of a good quality switch. Electronics that arent ecu controlled are notorious for problems. Adding any extra cables at all to a loom sounds like disaster and delay to me. But im not a sprintcar crew chief just an AMCA one.
That's something I want people to understand, too. At the same time, some forms are adjustable and no one should have that advantage. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
A spinning tyre has less grip than a tyre that is not spinning. It's the reduction in tyre grip that allows the tyre to spin. No race car "needs" wheel spin. More tyre grip = more traction (same thing really) = faster car.
While sprinters have no ECUs you can train one to act like it is connected after testing. I raced Sports Sedans for a long period and I know that this happened in the 90s with several front running cars. Since my engine was carby with a locked distributor I could not play those games. I believed it happened on V8 Supercars as well hence the control ECUs. Sprintcars have locked magnetos, no curve available so one would have though any cheating was in the fueling and that is mechanical. Though since I have not been to a sprintcar show in probably 5 years maybe it has changed. World wide the 410s must be limited, more power yet they are boring. I watch the odd show both here and US on You Tube. When they dropped 372s it was because the engines wee fragile being revved to 8500. 410s were then running maybe 7800. 360s too are turning very high rpm and originally were running 7500. I was at the Mount and Luke Dillon in his 360 title win several years ago was turning a LOT of rpm. And used it properly. That engine was available for sale the week after! Cheating? Defenitly No. Just increasing the costs for those wanting to keep up.
It’s the long wire run that caused the issue. This will cause voltage drop and in turn cause a timing issue Simple. Plug the unit in on a short cable and it would probably run fine.
Besides throwing out the whole night’s points, the only compromise I can think of is allowing each team to throw out any night this season where they were there and started a feature. That is still not equivalent or fair, but it gets about halfway there (depending on the number of races and the points structure), if you consider the stipulations that they have to be there and start a feature.
The only reason I throw this out, even though I’m nobody but an ex racer, is because it doesn’t punish the guys that did run well that night. Throwing it out completely punishes them, but I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution.
What if the affected cars did have the Davis traction control device fitted inside the MSD with the SCCA detection device fitted? And this somehow damaged these engines? The device was tested on 2 cars with legal MSD boxes.
interesting stories.... - we've got one motor apparently running hot and making metal. - one motor not burning fuel. - all motors not revving. - when the device was removed there was no change on one car claiming engine damage? - the track was making track records therefore being hooked up and less wheelspin causing less RPM. - If the device removed ignition timing "somehow" it would simply be a ''remove the device'' and goes back to ''normal'' - If the device added ignition timing the plugs would be melted and there would be holes in the pistons. Few holes in all this to be honest... will be interesting to see how it plays out.
If you know you know and there is no way that thing is going on my motor. They don't know what that thing done ,that is the problem. could be changing timing all race. I'm saying if you know you know. AND DRIVERS KNOW
so you think its a coincidence?, two of the most professional teams in the land making up stories?, car in feature takes in off then runs better was luck???
@@Andy-xw9dn9nn3d Did you not watch the video? Callum said his motor feels like it’s done 10 nights. What feedback is that 😂😂😂 a 10 night old motor still has the same numbers as a new motor if you maintain it well but clearly they must not if they see a difference from new to 10 nights old. Just because a few people jump online and claim something doesn’t mean it’s factual. Where’s the evidence of the engine damage and where’s the evidence it made the car slower? James has always ran better in the 26 than the 80.
@@joeyhamd4880 Callum literally said, in quali it felt fine, when they took it off felt like 10 shows old, meaning due to the restrictions its " added wear" Evidence is lost 800rpm and had alloy in the system, KRE know what they are doing, but if you know more then them... Few people in comments = everyone besides you, if you have a vested interest just say so mate
Hi Toby - How can traction control even be effective on sprintcars without wheel speed sensors? Setting a rpm limit and cutting spark in the ignition control wouldn't be any benefit unless you can relate that to the wheel speed (wheel slipping). On the majority of tracks, cars would only get most benefit from traction control accelerating through and out of corners when they are not at maimum revs. I'm guessing the traction control detection device that was fitted, had another ignition inside it - that sounds like it capped revs at 8000-8200 rpm according to drivers. This engine speed would only be achieved down the end of the straight anyways. But again, all cars that have traction control have vehicle speed and wheel speed sensors. I don't see how any material benefit to pace by eliminating wheel spin through traction control can be achieved without wheel speed sensors on sprintcars too. TRACTION CONTROL IS ALL ABOUT MONITORING WHEELS NOT THE ENGINE!
Drag racing TC is about limiting the sudden rise of wheel/driveshaft speed, before the wheels completely break loose, given that some wheel slip is still preferred during hard acceleration. If the engine accelerates faster than X they know it's wheel spinning, so get the ecu to pull timing till it's back within allowed limits of acceleration and then goes back to 'normal' control. I'm sure there's a 'MSD' box that does this out there 😉
You know what, it sounds like they put a traction control system on the cars to then try and detect it, and probably retarding timing to control traction which is no good if not also pulling fuel out especially with methanol.
Good thought but poorly executed. I'd be curious as to lap time difference, with and without. Best hot lap vs best heat race lap. Or even an average from one to another. Great vid Toby 👍👍
What is the end game with this device. Are they planning to run them on all competitors cars as a preventative measure or are they going to just continue to spring it on random cars as they roll out of the pits and try and catch people in the act?
Yeah because as we know the davis tech unit can be pocket operated by crewcheif on the hill. if the device is fitted you just turn off the davis unit and claim engine performance suffered. Thats the interesting thing about what theyre claiming. im not putting blame on either the scca or the teams. it just causes an interesting grey area and holes that can be poked for now
I don’t think they checked with MSD before doing this. They tried doing something similar to another class of car but a electrical engineer who works for MSD Caught it and stopped it from happening because of pulling timing out of Magnetos and and signal pick up on RPM activation in the box’s. Low compression gas engines could handle this but not methanol or alcohol burning engines.. as long as they weren’t turning 8200 RPM or more… I can’t believe they ( knowing that we run them as close to the engine as possible. Would run more than double or triple the length.. because of performance issues
I dont understand a motorsport that outlaws data logging, be that engine metrics, suspension travel etc. Literally if you had engine monitoring on any of these motors, the effect of the TCD would have shown up immediately in egt, rpm traces etc. I'm not suggesting that the engines NEED to be ecu managed, but there are plenty of Carb/meth/mag driven sports that drivers/owners monitor the health of their engines and vehicle performance via an ecu, which if one is monitoring any shaft speed would detect IF something other than the drivers foot is influencing the spark/fuel delivery, ie faster response than a persons foot which TC effectively is. Its not like series havent had to have control ecus to ensure everyone is playing fair, but if you are also allowing teams to better monitor their engines and vehicle dynamics and maybe collect other vehicle data to improve their performance, it also means the governing bodies can collect that information at any time if they suspect something.
Dyno testing SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MUST. Why put these teams through the grief of potentially destroying $100 plus grand worth of powerplant. Plenty of time in the off-season.
I really wanted to clear up what testing had been done but wasn't able to get all of that info. Hopefully it comes out soon although it's probably something that the SCCA should have proven before forcing cars to run the device. Toby
How many times can the SCCA do this kind of stuff before people say Fk it i can not afford their BS anymore? Sprintcar racing is ment to be RAW and if people are using traction control there has to be a different way to stamp it out. Maybe tested and sealed MSDs at the start of the season? How and what they test I do not know but it would be possible and at less detriment to engines the SCCA will fight not to repair!
@@wildtrackadventures4986 do you know how traction control works? When done correctly it will limit wheel spin under acceleration which is an advantage. The unit in this video was only supposed to detect if anyone was using TC, not detune teams engines
There was definitely testing done. As for what that looked like exactly, I wasn't able to get all of that info. There was definitely on track testing done. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
Another example of people who should know better, don't. Wonder if the owners, sponsors, drivers get compensated for the loss of this stupid idea. Wonder what would've happened if someone got hurt? Bloody idiots. Australia needs someone to take sprint cars and run it properly. Hey JayMac? Whadaya doin next year? Want a job?
I understand drivers in a way need to be kept in the dark to i suppose catch the cheaters out. But this just looks like a pull the trigger early fuck up like that bloody chinese thing they wanted to stick to helmets. The sport wants to look like a more professional motorsport, shit like this makes ya think they still running it like the 90s 🤦♂️
I think simply communicating the test data would have helped a lot. Even if the in-competition tests went wrong, we could at least accept that was an outlier. Thanks for watching and commenting. Toby
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.
Every traction control I have ever seen, pulls timing, not advance it! These guys know what traction control stuff does! Did anyone check the timing after it was installed? You pull timing, & if it’s a bunch, the engine is going to be a huge bag of 💩💩💩💩!
WTH $120.000 for a 410 motor .....Boom there's the problem with right there... that's crazy money.....For what it costs to run at the top end and for what you can win just don't add up .... an old saying if it ain't broke don't try and fix it. I believe the LS 360 class is the way to go for cost-effective racing...Another thing I see a lot and never gets bought up is how about making "scales mandatory" at every track that runs Sprintcars.... And traction Control, really, any team who has to cheat to be competitive is only cheating themselves...... what's next front wing adjustments from inside the cockpit ....There's no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Just keep rolling with what we all really have.....
Thanks for watching and commenting mate. I love that the sanctioning body is working to ensure the sport is a competitive and fair environment. Unfortunately there's clearly been some issues initially. Toby
LS engines are the engine you have when you do not have an engine. 4 head bolts per hole so hi comp melts heads. Noone could afford to keep them running. 360s in the original rule set made a LOT more sense. That over 15 years ago.
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.
If the engine damage is 100% as a result of the device, the SCCA should be soley responsible for covering the cost of repairs to them
Adding that length of cable alone to any ignition system is going to have effects. I get the intentions, but the execution was poor. Respect to all the lads for doing these interviews with such professionalism, after suffering the cost of this failed experiment.
Yeah I was surprised with how well they all spoke at a time when they probably could have really gone off.
A few others have mentioned the length of the wiring as a potential issue.
A shame because the work and idea is something that we all want to be a positive thing.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Toby
Yeah totally! explains why spark plug leads are all the same length.... oh wait they aren't haha
Yankee checking in. I'm 65, I've been involved with dirt racers back in the day. I can say with some certainty that after this type of fiasco that if the sanctioning body tried to add that or any other device to the car at a race, the owner would load the car up and leave. Saw it on more than one occasion back in the day.
Sounds like it was a traction control device than an actual detector
That is what 1 guy said. That is a LOL
This is just sad. There has to be some accountability here. Especially on opening night. Williamson Motorsport, Keen Racing Team, James Inglis Motorsport & Kris Coyle Motorsport need to take this further without question.
Compensation for impacted teams and reset series points. 2 of the last 3 champions been hit by this. SCCA acting like it’s just a coincidence that 4 out of 4 cars had issues. Insane
Good that they are testing and hope they keep at it, fans will become disinterested if integrity cannot be maintained, too many rumors of traction control being used, generally where there is smoke there is fire
The processor (spark box) takes a signal from the generator and converts it to a high tension spark which it then sends back to the cap/rotor and on to the appropriate spark plug. This all needs to be perfectly synchronised to enable each plug to fire at exactly the right time BTDC. At 8,000 engine rpm (4000 generator rpm). This needs happens 66 times per second every second.
Interrupting the communication between the generator and the box with anything even a piece of wire that has a higher resistance than it should has the potential to play merry hell with ignition timing and as result engine performance. I haven’t seen what this unit consists of but if it in fact does interrupt that harness then I’d certainly be taking the whole ignition system including generator , box , leads etc and running it up on a test bench with and without this thing installed for starters.
It would be interesting to hear what MSD has to say about adding something to that circuit as well.
I bet Ohm wasn’t consulted about his law.
I get what they are trying to do but it was rumoured years ago, that they had a chip that was attached to fishing line that they’d pull out after a run anyway and pop up sleeves while leaving track. So if anyone was running something (not saying they were) but they could have removed anyway. Great vid Toby👌
The experiment should have happened on a Wednesday night practice and not during a race meeting, plus engine builders should have been consulted and compensation sorted should anything go wrong. To many questions unanswered
It's a shame this is the talking point from the opening night of the Perth Motorplex when we had 13 cars go under the track record with Micheal Pickens doing a 12.460 ,Jack Williamson getting a heat win. The record opening night crowd of 7000 people.
Good kiwi taking the track record!We are dominating you Aussies at the moment on the sporting front 😊…rugby netball soon to be league this weekend when we smoke the kangaroo’s…go Michael Pickens!
I'm assuming that teams run different ignition boxes or at least their settings. If traction control is an issue, surely the SCCA could mandate a standard ignition box across for all sprintcar engines with standard settings.
Not much. Not much at all, especially when the track is super heavy. They want all they can get. Engines are pretty much the same except for parts manufacturer and they all have really good parts or they would be out of business
Be interesting to hear what the engine builders have to say after inspecting the motors
It won't be good
Does anyone know of ANYBODY getting caught in a major 410 sprint car series with TC? Because I haven't. Please let me know
Ive personally chased a misfire for months on an AMCA National Speedway car that came down to the chinese starter button that had been wired in instead of a good quality switch. Electronics that arent ecu controlled are notorious for problems. Adding any extra cables at all to a loom sounds like disaster and delay to me. But im not a sprintcar crew chief just an AMCA one.
If you are a driver, if you know you know. Our driver could feel if our fueling was barely off. And I mean barely
im surprised a traction control device is even useful when tire spin is needed in these cars.
With traction control you set a desire slip target to achieve maximum acceleration.
It's not about achieving zero wheel spin
That's something I want people to understand, too.
At the same time, some forms are adjustable and no one should have that advantage.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
A spinning tyre has less grip than a tyre that is not spinning. It's the reduction in tyre grip that allows the tyre to spin. No race car "needs" wheel spin. More tyre grip = more traction (same thing really) = faster car.
Not true man, slight wheel spin equals more acceleration
how do you detect traction loss/control with no wheel speed or driveshaft sensors
I would think if the timing is getting cut because rpms jump up not positive tho.
While sprinters have no ECUs you can train one to act like it is connected after testing. I raced Sports Sedans for a long period and I know that this happened in the 90s with several front running cars. Since my engine was carby with a locked distributor I could not play those games.
I believed it happened on V8 Supercars as well hence the control ECUs.
Sprintcars have locked magnetos, no curve available so one would have though any cheating was in the fueling and that is mechanical. Though since I have not been to a sprintcar show in probably 5 years maybe it has changed.
World wide the 410s must be limited, more power yet they are boring. I watch the odd show both here and US on You Tube.
When they dropped 372s it was because the engines wee fragile being revved to 8500. 410s were then running maybe 7800.
360s too are turning very high rpm and originally were running 7500. I was at the Mount and Luke Dillon in his 360 title win several years ago was turning a LOT of rpm. And used it properly. That engine was available for sale the week after! Cheating? Defenitly No. Just increasing the costs for those wanting to keep up.
It’s the long wire run that caused the issue. This will cause voltage drop and in turn cause a timing issue Simple. Plug the unit in on a short cable and it would probably run fine.
TC isnt a big deal its a timing cut good drivers can still out drive TC all day
Great video and what a load of BS for the teams to deal with…
I remember years ago at the altell 100 modified race ump decided to issue msd boxes and bllomquist burnt an engine down because of it.
Besides throwing out the whole night’s points, the only compromise I can think of is allowing each team to throw out any night this season where they were there and started a feature. That is still not equivalent or fair, but it gets about halfway there (depending on the number of races and the points structure), if you consider the stipulations that they have to be there and start a feature.
*including* start a feature
The only reason I throw this out, even though I’m nobody but an ex racer, is because it doesn’t punish the guys that did run well that night. Throwing it out completely punishes them, but I’m not saying it’s a perfect solution.
I wouldn't put on my car unless everyone had to run it at the same time
After that they would have to show me data that it works the way it is supposed to or it ain't going on my very expensive motor
What if the affected cars did have the Davis traction control device fitted inside the MSD
with the SCCA detection device fitted? And this somehow damaged these engines?
The device was tested on 2 cars with legal MSD boxes.
interesting stories....
- we've got one motor apparently running hot and making metal.
- one motor not burning fuel.
- all motors not revving.
- when the device was removed there was no change on one car claiming engine damage?
- the track was making track records therefore being hooked up and less wheelspin causing less RPM.
- If the device removed ignition timing "somehow" it would simply be a ''remove the device'' and goes back to ''normal''
- If the device added ignition timing the plugs would be melted and there would be holes in the pistons.
Few holes in all this to be honest... will be interesting to see how it plays out.
If you know you know and there is no way that thing is going on my motor. They don't know what that thing done ,that is the problem. could be changing timing all race. I'm saying if you know you know. AND DRIVERS KNOW
@@JerryColeman-m8w Time will tell :)
Would be embarrassing for the teams making claims and there’s no difference.
so you think its a coincidence?, two of the most professional teams in the land making up stories?, car in feature takes in off then runs better was luck???
@@Andy-xw9dn9nn3d Did you not watch the video? Callum said his motor feels like it’s done 10 nights. What feedback is that 😂😂😂 a 10 night old motor still has the same numbers as a new motor if you maintain it well but clearly they must not if they see a difference from new to 10 nights old.
Just because a few people jump online and claim something doesn’t mean it’s factual. Where’s the evidence of the engine damage and where’s the evidence it made the car slower? James has always ran better in the 26 than the 80.
@@joeyhamd4880 Callum literally said, in quali it felt fine, when they took it off felt like 10 shows old, meaning due to the restrictions its " added wear"
Evidence is lost 800rpm and had alloy in the system, KRE know what they are doing, but if you know more then them...
Few people in comments = everyone besides you, if you have a vested interest just say so mate
Hi Toby - How can traction control even be effective on sprintcars without wheel speed sensors? Setting a rpm limit and cutting spark in the ignition control wouldn't be any benefit unless you can relate that to the wheel speed (wheel slipping). On the majority of tracks, cars would only get most benefit from traction control accelerating through and out of corners when they are not at maimum revs. I'm guessing the traction control detection device that was fitted, had another ignition inside it - that sounds like it capped revs at 8000-8200 rpm according to drivers. This engine speed would only be achieved down the end of the straight anyways.
But again, all cars that have traction control have vehicle speed and wheel speed sensors. I don't see how any material benefit to pace by eliminating wheel spin through traction control can be achieved without wheel speed sensors on sprintcars too.
TRACTION CONTROL IS ALL ABOUT MONITORING WHEELS NOT THE ENGINE!
Not 100% true, modern traction control devices do not need wheel speed sensors.
Drag racing TC is about limiting the sudden rise of wheel/driveshaft speed, before the wheels completely break loose, given that some wheel slip is still preferred during hard acceleration. If the engine accelerates faster than X they know it's wheel spinning, so get the ecu to pull timing till it's back within allowed limits of acceleration and then goes back to 'normal' control. I'm sure there's a 'MSD' box that does this out there 😉
Did anyone in the scca consult with MSD in developing the device?
@@KevinCouzens most likely not 😂
seems like pretty suspect device that needs to be tested a lot more before it's even put near a race engine
You know what, it sounds like they put a traction control system on the cars to then try and detect it, and probably retarding timing to control traction which is no good if not also pulling fuel out especially with methanol.
Good thought but poorly executed. I'd be curious as to lap time difference, with and without. Best hot lap vs best heat race lap. Or even an average from one to another.
Great vid Toby 👍👍
What is the end game with this device. Are they planning to run them on all competitors cars as a preventative measure or are they going to just continue to spring it on random cars as they roll out of the pits and try and catch people in the act?
Yeah because as we know the davis tech unit can be pocket operated by crewcheif on the hill. if the device is fitted you just turn off the davis unit and claim engine performance suffered. Thats the interesting thing about what theyre claiming. im not putting blame on either the scca or the teams. it just causes an interesting grey area and holes that can be poked for now
I don’t think they checked with MSD before doing this.
They tried doing something similar to another class of car but a electrical engineer who works for MSD Caught it and stopped it from happening because of pulling timing out of Magnetos and and signal pick up on RPM activation in the box’s. Low compression gas engines could handle this but not methanol or alcohol burning engines..
as long as they weren’t turning 8200 RPM or more…
I can’t believe they ( knowing that we run them as close to the engine as possible. Would run more than double or triple the length..
because of performance issues
What about to the loss of points for these guys?
Unfair for a start of the season.
The easiest thing I would think is transparent msd boxes just my thoughts.
Remember an expert is just a drip under pressure.
they were told the test device was safe and effective ... !
No, They said they were pretty sure. WTF?????
I dont understand a motorsport that outlaws data logging, be that engine metrics, suspension travel etc. Literally if you had engine monitoring on any of these motors, the effect of the TCD would have shown up immediately in egt, rpm traces etc.
I'm not suggesting that the engines NEED to be ecu managed, but there are plenty of Carb/meth/mag driven sports that drivers/owners monitor the health of their engines and vehicle performance via an ecu, which if one is monitoring any shaft speed would detect IF something other than the drivers foot is influencing the spark/fuel delivery, ie faster response than a persons foot which TC effectively is.
Its not like series havent had to have control ecus to ensure everyone is playing fair, but if you are also allowing teams to better monitor their engines and vehicle dynamics and maybe collect other vehicle data to improve their performance, it also means the governing bodies can collect that information at any time if they suspect something.
funny how its two inform drivers in the last two years as well..... "yeahhh random"
I think the controlling bodies should be testing these devices at their own expense. Not at the cost of a competitors engine or series points
I thought TC was you're right foot🤔
Its only fair if they put it on every car otherwise the people with it just get screwed with points and stuff
Dyno testing SHOULD HAVE BEEN A MUST. Why put these teams through the grief of potentially destroying $100 plus grand worth of powerplant. Plenty of time in the off-season.
I really wanted to clear up what testing had been done but wasn't able to get all of that info.
Hopefully it comes out soon although it's probably something that the SCCA should have proven before forcing cars to run the device.
Toby
How many times can the SCCA do this kind of stuff before people say Fk it i can not afford their BS anymore?
Sprintcar racing is ment to be RAW and if people are using traction control there has to be a different way to stamp it out. Maybe tested and sealed MSDs at the start of the season? How and what they test I do not know but it would be possible and at less detriment to engines the SCCA will fight not to repair!
Allow EFI
Why?
What race cars use traction control I don't hear of any .
Anyone using traction control is not going to tell you. That's the whole idea of cheating
@@wildtrackadventures4986 ask Donny...
@maaatu16 I don't see how it's cheating your not gaining nothing ? Your actually detuning your engine so your slower
@@wildtrackadventures4986 do you know how traction control works? When done correctly it will limit wheel spin under acceleration which is an advantage. The unit in this video was only supposed to detect if anyone was using TC, not detune teams engines
Testing should have been done in the off season with the device. Somebody is getting kickbacks for sure.
There was definitely testing done.
As for what that looked like exactly, I wasn't able to get all of that info.
There was definitely on track testing done.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
Another example of people who should know better, don't. Wonder if the owners, sponsors, drivers get compensated for the loss of this stupid idea. Wonder what would've happened if someone got hurt? Bloody idiots. Australia needs someone to take sprint cars and run it properly.
Hey JayMac? Whadaya doin next year? Want a job?
@@68peterbilt68 considering jmac was an engine builder himself for KRE, it would be interesting to see his take on this device
They damaged their engines !!!!
I understand drivers in a way need to be kept in the dark to i suppose catch the cheaters out. But this just looks like a pull the trigger early fuck up like that bloody chinese thing they wanted to stick to helmets. The sport wants to look like a more professional motorsport, shit like this makes ya think they still running it like the 90s 🤦♂️
I think simply communicating the test data would have helped a lot.
Even if the in-competition tests went wrong, we could at least accept that was an outlier.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Toby
THAT was bloody stupid. Cam Water summed that up very well. Inaccurate, not approved by helmet manufacturers etc
@ldnwholesale8552 exactly right mate, no planning just shotgun ideas
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.
Why would you test it. It will ruin the sport. i
Like they've ruined supercars ... You can thank the insurance company's
It's definitely a move in the right direction although it hasn't gone to plan yet.
Toby
@@SprintCarHub no, it's definitely a move in the wrong direction . Traction control will ruin the sport...
Gas lighting the drivers is not a good thing
And they still Start a tear down Huh Sure glad I'm not paying these guys 100 or 200 bucks an hour To diagnose a problem Just saying
All because someone not winning dad how do we win another championship ok son watch this
Your no better than the news media reporting on the 4pm news, Not hearing both sides of the story here..
Every traction control I have ever seen, pulls timing, not advance it! These guys know what traction control stuff does! Did anyone check the timing after it was installed? You pull timing, & if it’s a bunch, the engine is going to be a huge bag of 💩💩💩💩!
WTH $120.000 for a 410 motor .....Boom there's the problem with right there... that's crazy money.....For what it costs to run at the top end and for what you can win just don't add up .... an old saying if it ain't broke don't try and fix it.
I believe the LS 360 class is the way to go for cost-effective racing...Another thing I see a lot and never gets bought up is how about making "scales mandatory" at every track that runs Sprintcars.... And traction Control, really, any team who has to cheat to be competitive is only cheating themselves...... what's next front wing adjustments from inside the cockpit ....There's no need to reinvent the wheel so to speak. Just keep rolling with what we all really have.....
Thanks for watching and commenting mate.
I love that the sanctioning body is working to ensure the sport is a competitive and fair environment. Unfortunately there's clearly been some issues initially.
Toby
LS engines are the engine you have when you do not have an engine. 4 head bolts per hole so hi comp melts heads. Noone could afford to keep them running. 360s in the original rule set made a LOT more sense. That over 15 years ago.
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.
All for stamping out cheating but this seems to be an absolute shit show. Tested for the last two years. Where who’s cars etc. As you say transparency is the key here. Just thinking Kendrick a shocking year last year. Were they a test subject? Hope something is done to even up the championship points because as we know from past years it gets close at the pointy end.