I have read a couple of articles on mesh WiFi, but your explanation was so clear and concise. Your videos are also relaxing to watch. Keep up the great work, Dave.
The problem with repeaters is they all use the same channel, so bandwidth is effectively cut in half. They have a radio that receives a data packet, then rebroadcasts the same packet to extend the range. So while it is rebroadcasting, the base unit has to wait to send another packet, because the repeater is well, repeating. Kind of like having a conversation between the US President speaking English and the Japanese Prime Minister speaking Japanese. An interpreter translates for each leader. Each has to wait for the translation to get to the other person in order to keep the conversation going. Mesh Wifi uses multiple channels at once so they can be relaying the packet to other devices at the same time they are receiving them from the base unit. Maximum bandwidth stays the same. They do this with multiple radios sharing the same antenna. So repeaters are not as good as mesh networks.
Please press read more and like this so it will help more people. Thank you. Range extenders: - extends the WiFi coverage area in your home/workplace - has a different SSID (WiFi name) than your router. what this means is that you'll have to manully switch wifi names on your mobile device when you walk around your house - halves the speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model Ethernet Powerline Adapters: - extends your internet through the electrical wiring in your home/workplace - only will work when there's more than 1. - whatever number of adapters that you have, they HAVE to be in the same electrical circuit of 300 meters or less - THEORETICALLY gives you full speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model - by default, it will use a different SSID from your router but there are ways to clone your router's WiFi name and password using an app - the older the wiring in your house, the more static/electrical interference it has, hence lowering the speed of your internet that comes out of the adapters - it's either a hit or miss for different people Mesh Router Wifi: - does what range extenders do, but using the same SSID throughout your home/workplace no matter how many nodes you use - dual band meshes (2nd node onwards) will half the speed that you are feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model, unless all of them is plugged with an ethernet cable to the modem - tri-band meshes THEORETICALLY gives you full speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model (in practice you will get 90-ish percent of your original speed, capped at the maximum speed of your model) due to the 3rd band giving you dedicated backhaul - the more walls there are between one single node/mesh and your mobile device, the more dropped speeds you will experience - if you want full speed WiFi from your mesh (no matter dual or tri band), plug them into your modem or ONR. In summery range extenders and powerlines are cheaper options, but with more caveats than mesh. And mesh can be very expensive
If you were issued a Wireless Gateway (modem and router in one unit), you need to bridge the device as only a modem and then only use the #1 Ethernet port to the first mesh WiFi point. This avoids double NAT problems.
Just a Samsung add. My Fritz!Box does ALL of this too, plus is well known for it's outstanding security. Love the mesh though. The main reason for me to have Mesh goes unexplained here.... while walking around the mesh smartly switches you over so your streaming/data never gets interrupted and you always have the best connection.
Tenda Nova are pretty cheap and decent enough for the average consumer. They got rid of all my WiFi dead spots and three tp link access points couldn't do that.
Well, if by fancy you mean "smart" then sure. There's also the option to do backhaul on most as well which treats them as an AP, meaning you can have them on different channels meaning less or no interference. Extenders rebroadcast on the same channel causing interference, hence the huge loss in wifi up/download speed most people get with those. Mesh is great for large homes but there's a reason why they advertise for specific size homes. They really do mean that you should only be getting these if you have a large house with dead spots. Otherwise just get an Access Point that wires back to the router and broadcasts on another channel.
Chester they are not extender. With extender have different ssid which means you would have to disconnect from one extender to the next when you walk from floor to floor, a mesh has the same ssid (router name like homewifi) so you don't need to change WiFi connection as you go from floor to floor. It will automatically switch you. Extenders are garbage in my opinion because if you have a printer on an extender network you can't reach it when you are on a different extender with your laptop or phone. A mesh let's all your device work as though it is on the same network. I hope this helps.
Tomjiujitsu Agreed. I love my mesh nettwork. The price is a bit higher then a traditional router, but I think it was worth changing from my old router. I used to buy extenders and the result was never as good as with mesh. For doubters, try it at least if you can afford the upgrade. Also bye bye deadspots on the lower floors of the house. Easiest setup ever..(it took me 5 min or so) and you have total control of all the devices, from the app you can download. Win win situation!
One feature you did miss is the wired connections. looking at the specs each device has two ethernet ports for connecting not only the router, but also other wired devices. This is great for homes that dont have structured cable running between rooms but have multiple wired only devices, such as desktops or older Smart TVs that wouldn't be able to join the network otherwise.
@@rohobok2890 yup. For instance I have a TP-Link "WiFi extender" which creates a Mesh with my existing wireless and I have a switch plugged into its LAN port. I can then plug the multiple devices in my home office into that switch and have it connect to my home network as if those devices were on the wireless network. In fact I don't need the additional wireless coverage so I've turned off the wireless rebroadcasting of the SSIDs, so im basically using it as a wireless point to point solution.
I just bought the Google wifi and couldn't be happier! It was super easy to install and it took care of my wifi dead spots. Well worth the money if you like to stream in 4k and have a lot of devices running.
Solved a lot of problems for me. I got the 4 unit google mesh from Costco for $300. I have a large lone home with two detached garages. And a two WiFi Sprinkler controllers controlling 24 zones. I’ve had repeater units but I’ve always had trouble servicing the garage. and the sprinkler controllers always been marginal sometimes it works sometimes not. Many times requiring the repeaters to be reset. And required constant fiddling with to make the system sprinklers marginally work. I installed the Google mesh And it to was the easiest Wi-Fi system I’ve ever set up. What makes it nice over a repeater is all access points to use the same name and password instead of a different name and password at each repeater site. So all my devices automatically go to the mesh unit that best works for them at that moment. Not only did it solve the sprinkler controller problem but gave me solid Wi-Fi in both garages And even in garden shed that I never thought I’d have Wi-Fi in I too thought at first the price was out of line. But considering the problems it solved for me it turned out to be cheap investment.
Hmm, this is EXACTLY what I used to do with apple’s airport express WDS in about 2005. I’m sad that apple has junked so many of their innovative legacies, but it is encouraging to know that other companies are doing a good job in at least this field.
Mesh specifically uses one of the wifi radios, usually the 5Ghz as the backhaul, leaving only the 2.4Ghz for wifi clients. A traditional lightweight AP uses a wired network connection and therefore has both bands available for data.. If you have the means, absolutely use traditional wired lightweight APs instead.
Installing multiple APs is not only cheaper but much faster. If you want ultimate speed you can use a wired Ethernet to connect each AP or if that's too much trouble to wire you can use a cheap $70 PowerLine Ethernet link which is still faster and cheaper than these "Mesh" products which is just a slick marketing term for Wireless repeater or WiFi backhaul. That said this video might as well be a paid advertisement.
Since when did this turn into a discussion about Enterprise Wireless LANs? I know a lot about enterprise WLANs since I've designed them for 15 years but that's irrelevant here. I'm comparing this to a small $50 802.11ac Wireless Router/AP, the mesh devices are 2X the price and 1/4 the speed when operating in mesh repeater or wireless bridge mode.
@@joseandrade-uw9tf a repeater is an extender and uses half your speed. The thing you are talking about that doesnt half your speed is called a bridge and needs to be connected with lan to your modem.
Thank you your comprehensive video which puts things into perspective. I do have dead spots where my child cannot use her school laptop in her room due to no internet connectivity. I know this will be a good investment. The interactive setup helps put my mind at ease, just knowing I don't have to go through the router to set anything up. Thank you.
I only decided to get TP Link Deco X60 / AX5400 3-pack MESH wifi 6 system recently after all these years of internet . Very good coverage even only with ONE mesh is switched on. . I am happy with the installation............................. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
you can litterally do this with some random 30-50usd routers, just with little tinkering, for a third of price. Name your wifi same on every router, same type of security and password voila your device is automatically connected to strongest signal.
I mean yea.. you "could" do that... but not only would you have (x) amount of the same wifi name but your network would also suffer greatly because each of the extenders uses bandwidth consistently just to communicate with your router.
As a Wi-Fi professional I must say you have an interesting sales pitch. In most apartments a single well placed AP is the way to go. Mesh is most likely the worst thinkable approach as you resend all traffic in the spectrum/ time you have available an extra time per hop. Wiring your house for APs and using clustering APs will improve the user experience and not just the signal strength your wireless client will see. Each channel is a shared media, meshing just ensures your traffic to be carried in this shared media double or triple. Mesh is a waste of money indoors - pull some cable to good locations and place the APs in a location an orientation that provides the very best coverage.
Yes. But you have to acknowledge that traditional bridging of routers doesn't provide seamless roaming. And that is one reason to use a mesh wi-fi network. Also, this technology gives the household an easy way to set things up without having to call tech support.
My house is built in concrete, to do all the wiring and civil work would cost me the same as the mesh and all the time for doign that... I guess I'll get the mesh
Hi. I need to get wifi to a block of apartments to connect to 10 security cameras in the building. I live next door to the building (landlord and owner of property) i have been told to buy this mesh system and extended my home wifi to the building next door which is about 2000sq feet away. Is mesh wifi better or should i just get a router and put a sim card in there and pay £20 for unlimited data?
@@thetruth2929 10 security cameras are likely to create a lot of traffic. If they connect to a cloud service and connect via WLAN, sure 4G would work, if the signal is good. However if the cameras are 2.4GHz you could have 5GHz point to point. For the best quality you may end up paying $$$. For less than 400 yards a 60GHz system with point to point could work well. However if all possible a cable would be best.
So let me understand this...if you have a modem/router combo from your ISP, you need to have the first mesh hub plugged into that modem/router and then the second node would act as an extender? or could i just use 1 of these hubs and use it as an extender? thanks.
I guess ok for home consumers who will only need like 3, but if you’re deploying a decent sized building I think APs are a better option, they’re cheaper, the only negative is that you need to run a bunch of patches but if you have a POE switch you don’t need to run power so you can mount the APs in better locations like ceilings. I get that it’s easier to provision but the price and the fact that you can’t mount these on ceiling unless you have a outlet up there I don’t really see these being a good alternative.
eero actually makes a POE adapter for their mesh routers, and can be mounted to the ceiling. These basically act as APs when hardwired back to a POE switch.
Great job of explaining without being overly technical. You came across as knowledgible and trustworthy. I would certainly look into both Samsung and Google mesh networks after seeing this video :-)
It is VERY ANNOYING that these "EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS ABOUT TECH", are really just Long Over-glorified Advertisements for a certain Product. (In This Case, It Is The Samsung SmartThings Product/s) Like Seriously? Just Be Honest Dude! Samsung PAID YOU To ADVERTISE Their Product/s!! You just Mention that they Happened to give you this to Try out, as if that was the only intention to Giving You This Gift... Yet, during the MAJORITY of This Video, you talk about why this Samsung Product SPECIFICALLY, is better than the rest. And Then To Make Matters Worse, you also VASTLY OVER EXAGGERATE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THINGS LIKE: "Configuring A Regular Router From The Router's Admin Section." NOTE TO THE AUTHOR: A HIGH Percentage Of People Watching Tech Videos, KNOW HOW To Configure A Router!!! Pretending Like It Is SOOOOO Difficult, Is An Insult To Our Intelligence!!! Because of your Sneakiness, Trying to Make An Advertisement Look Like A General Review IS WRONG!... Because Of This, I Will MAKE SURE That I Never Buy One. And, I Will Also Tell ALL Of My Friends The Same!! TheUnlockr - You Are The WORST Type Of Human! I Hope you NEVER Talk About Greedy Corporations Or ANYTHING of that Matter, Because you have PROVEN to me, that you will EASILY Sell Your Soul For Money!
Btw non tech savvy users will have problems with bridging there main modem to another router. These meshes come in handy for home use and keeps the same SSID as in commercial use so it's good to see software trickling down.
@Andrea Proone 1 hes not right. they promote an awesome and amazing new product. if its amazing say its amazing. sure you can buy it so what nothing in life is free. 2. caps is in fact free speech. if you dont like it, move on, obviously if youre interested in the topic of discussion then youre looking at it.
@@YoungDen yes and for non tech savvy people, you can call geek squad or a repair guy who knows the stuff and would help you easily to set it up. new technologies are innovation, clean energy, self empowerment and help families be happy
As with most adverts there are some important missing items- speed for instance- is it faster than a mains repeater, how much speed is lost generally ?
Most People that can afford dropping $500 or more on WiFi have Ethernet around the house. I think the best option if you have ethernet wired throughout your home you should look at multiple wired AP's and maybe 1 or 2 Mesh for outside, maybe
The one thing that concerns me about mesh systems, is that I've read a number of reviews from people who have wireless security systems and cameras such as Arlo and Blink, who have said their cameras occasionally will lose sync with the base station they have when on these mesh Networks. That's a deal-breaker, at least to me. I'd love to see a review on a couple of these systems after someone has had them for a while and been using items like wireless cameras on them, to see which ones retain connectivity better, Etc.
Mesh networks like this are a useful tool for certain applications, but IMO I would try to avoid anything more than a single hop away from an ethernet-wired AP. Some of these mesh systems (I've only set up Amplifi) support ethernet backhaul, so you can (for example) get 95% of a house covered by ethernet-backhaul AP and then add a meshpoint or two to cover things like a patio or yard.
This is definitely a valid concern, it really depends on what your budget and needs are. Personally I have the Linksys Velop 3 Node mesh in a 4000 or so sq ft home with a cm1000 docsis 3.1 modem and I almost never have any issues with any of the connected devices (like cameras, smart door bell, security system, smart lights, etc.).
I don’t really need a lot of coverage and I don’t have smart lightbulbs. But what I like about these is that they look sleeker than the typical “router with antennas” techy look. Not sure if any performance is sacrificed though.
Most people are renting and don't have luxury of knowing they are going to live there long enough to pay tech men to come place ethernet from one side of the house to the other/upstairs, plus the app gives freeze action and monitoring that normal ap don't, when I move out and get my own place I will do it the AP way but for less savy people this is a good option
I feel that mess network would make sense for a whole building of residents. They buy 1 gast internet and then every resident takes on of these and then the whole building has internet through 1 account :). That would be like $2-10 for internet per month. The downside being that all devices have to be wireless
Never heard of Mesh WiFi, anywhere or from anyone, but I'm watching this out of sheer curiosity, but I get the feeling it's not going to be cheap. Personally, I find the in-line repeaters are better than any wifi router.
No, it's not the same. Mesh is way better and faster. You only need 1 log in to your wifi. repeaters need to be logged into each one you want to use. Therefore after you log into your repeater your device may not connect to it automatically. It may get stuck on your primary wifi point. then you have to go into setting and force to connect to that point. I used to have a repeater in my bedroom. My phone would connect to my router in the living room. Then when I take my phone to the bedroom the phone wouldn't connect to the bedroom repeater. I had to manually connect. With mesh, your entire house Is ONE internet.
Mesh system is much better than a regular wifi extender. Wifi extenders cut your bandwidth in half and continue to spread weakness signal. Mesh systems talk with each other and keep strength stronger while spreading wifi and without losing bandwidth
Why no mention of ASUS's AiMesh? the system lets you use traditional WiFi routers (albeit limited ASUS ones) to create your own WiFi mesh setup. ASUS even released firmware updates to most of their older routers to enable them to be used as nodes in your mesh.
It is VERY ANNOYING that these "EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS ABOUT TECH", are really just Long Over-glorified Advertisements for a certain Product. (In This Case, It Is The Samsung SmartThings Product/s) Like Seriously? Just Be Honest Dude! Samsung PAID YOU To ADVERTISE Their Product/s!! You just Mention that they Happened to give you this to Try out, as if that was the only intention to Giving You This Gift... Yet, during the MAJORITY of This Video, you talk about why this Samsung Product SPECIFICALLY, is better than the rest. And Then To Make Matters Worse, you also VASTLY OVER EXAGGERATE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THINGS LIKE: "Configuring A Regular Router From The Router's Admin Section." NOTE TO THE AUTHOR: A HIGH Percentage Of People Watching Tech Videos, KNOW HOW To Configure A Router!!! Pretending Like It Is SOOOOO Difficult, Is An Insult To Our Intelligence!!! Because of your Sneakiness, Trying to Make An Advertisement Look Like A General Review IS WRONG!... Because Of This, I Will MAKE SURE That I Never Buy One. And, I Will Also Tell ALL Of My Friends The Same!! TheUnlockr - You Are The WORST Type Of Human! I Hope you NEVER Talk About Greedy Corporations Or ANYTHING of that Matter, Because you have PROVEN to me, that you will EASILY Sell Your Soul For Money!
There's a reason they are a quarter the cost... They're only a quarter as good at what they do... Actually I would have to say its closer to an 8th as good but... sure.. do that..
Recent research makes a very strong correlation between WiFi/cellphone radio frequencies and serious health effects in the long term, including heart disease and cancer. It turns out that even though the frequency does not produce heat, (non ionizing) it does affect the skin and how calcium interacts with the body.
With the same expensive price, you should invest on killer router (eg Asus RT-5300 and etc) than Mesh. Those routers have insane range coverage and features.
There'd be too much congestion for a wireless backhaul, and at that scale you'd run into issues with latency and reliability over many hops. Ubiquiti, who makes a line of consumer mesh access points (amplifi) also makes 'enterprise' mesh wifi access points that CAN cover things like a football stadium or hotel - but they all use an ethernet backhaul, with the ethernet itself also providing power. The 'mesh' there has to do with the ability of wifi-enabled devices to roam across multiple APs on a single session, but they generally share 'layer 2' or switch/ethernet-level common connectivity back to a central router.
They actually do make exterior mesh nodes specific for that situation but ill be honest, until the mesh type network has been around for a while those are going to be pretty pricey more so than the in home versions as they need to support some sort of water resistance and additional protection for outdoors. Garage application might actually be feasible though. Distance is one of the limiting factors of small mesh nodes but in theory you could make it work for several thousand sq ft areas.
True, all-wireless mesh networks at that scale (football field and such) intrinsically make little sense, though. Namely because such points generally are omni-directional and wifi is collision-prone, a large number of such devices attempting to talk to each-other - on top of all the devices talking with them - would lead to significant performance degradation. Even in the best case, there's still potentially a large number of hops back to the gateway, which would particularly impact things sensitive to latency (e.g., communications technology). A hybrid system may work, sure, e.g., one with a core of wire-backed APs with a few mesh points added in to cover one-off areas and the like. The bigger issue, though, is that these wireless mesh systems still require a wire: the power cable. And right now, power-over-ethernet systems are actually fairly mature and cheap, and more than capable of powering wireless access points, so for a large installation it's not as if running only power is easier or cheaper than running only ethernet. And if you can just as easily (arguably easier and cheaper because not high voltage work) run ethernet as power, and also get the benefit of greater stability, throughput, and device capacity, why would one instead go with wireless mesh? As far as small areas go, I think a hybrid system would work well, assuming that mesh points are no more than one hop or so removed from the core wired AP system; you may be able to get away with one more or so, assuming few other users, but it becomes exponentially worse for each hop from the get-go. It should also be mentioned that installation of ethernet cabling into housing is often unnecessary for houses since the early 2000s (in the US) since many have ethernet used either openly or as the medium for phone jacks - requiring only a simple punchdown tool/block to reterminate as ethernet. And at that point, you can either use a power injector for PoE at the end, or possibly run PoE directly through the wire (if the cable is high enough quality) and not have to worry about power, either one being vastly technically superior.
Typically the omni-directional capability rarely impedes its ability to communicate as most mesh networks use a specifically configured band or in EERO's case thread communication to talk back and forth that is auto optimized for networks in the area so as to prevent this very thing of congestion of specific channels/bands. As far as simplicity goes most of the time it is easier to just plug in a device to the wall and go. If your house or where you're staying does indeed have the ability of wired that is obviously always going to be better. There are actually vast amounts of housing at least in a lot of the area's near me even new ones that don't always have cabling that can be used for that specific task (at least not in a simplistic way, if you're technically proficient it is definitely easier though) I know of the last 3-5 places I've stayed it was rare that we had pre-wired ethernet or phone lines that would not be affected by those around you. As far as latency it normally doesn't get affected very much (in my situation usually no more than 2-5 ms ping) if you're application is 6000-7000 sq ft or less which the average house is. Small area's however would require 0 additional hops as it is capable of communicating directly with the host node so there would be no need for daisy chaining. In my personally experience, I've use almost every one of the most popular mesh networks. I agree there are a few that are in fact terrible and does seem like you just connected a bad router to 1-2 other cheap extenders, but there are also ones out there where the overall experience and reliability is unmatched in speed and in latency in every corner of my home. I currently have the Velop 3 Node one of the expensive options in my house and all throughout my house (roughly 4000-4400 sq ft) I have faster speeds than what I pay for and I also typically, on tests only have a 7-9 ms ping and in game or during real world measurements have between 20-35 ms ping which is amazing considered my entire house is wireless running on 3 nodes. I also tend to have practically full bars everywhere in or even near my house all the way around.
As someone who is literally completing a P.h.D in AI, I can confidently say no one in this comment thread knows what they are taking about. Machine learning is simply a tool of AI, so for all intents and purposes Machine Learning IS artificial intelligence. Secondly, a calculator is not AI, if I see another ridiculous comment like this I'm going to blow.
Definition of AI is very broad, but a calculator is definitely AI. Its artificial and has intelligence "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge". And hell a computer "an electronic device for storing and processing data" is just a sophisticated calculator at the end of the day.
+rdooski, no it is not. What website or resource are you getting this information from? You can't just make up definitions and attempt to apply it to a narrow scope of things that make sense to you. You can't take the human definition of intelligence and just apply it to a device, that's not why things have operational and technical definitions. In software, artificial intelligence has a very specific application for algorithms which have a feedforward and feeback loop integrated into the architecture; or creates a model object and can apply it to new features. The fact that you have no idea how a calculator works (a simple set of logic gets with no feedback mechanism) because you only used one in high school, does not mean you can discuss complicated topics that are outside of your scope. So for the sake of anyone who is trying to learn here, please do not comment about complex topics like this one, someone might actually take you for your word.
I went from an extender to a mesh because it simplified the network for mobile devices. Even though my extender had the same pw, it was a separate device. mesh is all one device/login.
Well in an ideal situation, if the powerline adapter says it's maximum speed is 1300mbps, and you have at least 1000mbps on your router, whatever that comes out of the adapter SHOULD NOT be less than 1000mbps. What do I mean by 'ideal situation'? It means there's no surge protector/protection in your home circuit, provided that you plug BOTH adapters straight into the wall and not through extension sockets, and also no more than the maximum electrical wiring length that the adapter says it can go.
this is so one sided, no comparison to other brands. he has found a way to get free equipment. I have amplifi that works great and is much less in cost, only drawback is it only comes with 2 extenders.
I have Google Wifi, (Google's mesh system) and it disconnects all the time. It is the most frustrating thing as they are nearly impossible to re setup, without erasing the entire system and creating a new network, every, single, time.😡
@Alex Jackson I have a big house, so I bought two extenders, when you set them up, the system will automatically ask you if you want to change the name of the extenders to match with the main router so the extender will automatically connect the nearest wifi source for you when you are moving in the house.
Not really. I know this is 7 months late so u probably dont care anymore but wifi extenders (the nes that have been around for ages) half the signal of the wifi to boost the strength whereas these mesh wifis repeat the signal of the wifi so u get maximum wifi speed everywhere at a higher cost obviously
Even the cheapest ones probably cost a LOT more than a hundred feet of Cat 6 Ethernet cable. The more devices use wireless, the more interference there will be. Everything that can connect hardwired should do so, reserving the wireless for those devices which simply cannot (tablets/phones, laptops that are used in many locations, etc)
Hi guys, I made an updated video on what mesh wifi is for 2023 here! - ua-cam.com/video/TEsFtdBCTMQ/v-deo.html
I'm officially an old man. It's May 2020 and this is the first time I've heard this term. In fact, I didn't even know routers look like this now lol
Don't worry sometimes I feel super young haha!
It’s 2022, I just heard about this now too 😅
Just useless technology that crypto Bros use. It is literally just a router.
Same. It’s 2022 and just heard this today. Now YouTubing.
It's 2022 and this is the first I've heard of a mesh network
I have read a couple of articles on mesh WiFi, but your explanation was so clear and concise. Your videos are also relaxing to watch. Keep up the great work, Dave.
The problem with repeaters is they all use the same channel, so bandwidth is effectively cut in half. They have a radio that receives a data packet, then rebroadcasts the same packet to extend the range. So while it is rebroadcasting, the base unit has to wait to send another packet, because the repeater is well, repeating. Kind of like having a conversation between the US President speaking English and the Japanese Prime Minister speaking Japanese. An interpreter translates for each leader. Each has to wait for the translation to get to the other person in order to keep the conversation going.
Mesh Wifi uses multiple channels at once so they can be relaying the packet to other devices at the same time they are receiving them from the base unit. Maximum bandwidth stays the same. They do this with multiple radios sharing the same antenna.
So repeaters are not as good as mesh networks.
Thank you! This is what I expected from the video instead of the stupid advertisement garbage.
current US president has trouble speaking English
Thanks Brad Houser, very nice explanation.
Finally, someone that's smart.
I was about to ask this exact question. Thanks for giving the answer.
This needs Sean Connery as a spokesperson.
“Look at this Mesh! Who’sh going to clean thish Mesh? What a Mesh! I jusht can’t believe thish Mesh.”
Please press read more and like this so it will help more people. Thank you.
Range extenders:
- extends the WiFi coverage area in your home/workplace
- has a different SSID (WiFi name) than your router. what this means is that you'll have to manully switch wifi names on your mobile device when you walk around your house
- halves the speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model
Ethernet Powerline Adapters:
- extends your internet through the electrical wiring in your home/workplace
- only will work when there's more than 1.
- whatever number of adapters that you have, they HAVE to be in the same electrical circuit of 300 meters or less
- THEORETICALLY gives you full speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model
- by default, it will use a different SSID from your router but there are ways to clone your router's WiFi name and password using an app
- the older the wiring in your house, the more static/electrical interference it has, hence lowering the speed of your internet that comes out of the adapters
- it's either a hit or miss for different people
Mesh Router Wifi:
- does what range extenders do, but using the same SSID throughout your home/workplace no matter how many nodes you use
- dual band meshes (2nd node onwards) will half the speed that you are feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model, unless all of them is plugged with an ethernet cable to the modem
- tri-band meshes THEORETICALLY gives you full speed of the original speed you're feeding into it, capped at the maximum speed of your model (in practice you will get 90-ish percent of your original speed, capped at the maximum speed of your model) due to the 3rd band giving you dedicated backhaul
- the more walls there are between one single node/mesh and your mobile device, the more dropped speeds you will experience
- if you want full speed WiFi from your mesh (no matter dual or tri band), plug them into your modem or ONR.
In summery range extenders and powerlines are cheaper options, but with more caveats than mesh. And mesh can be very expensive
Old technology wifi extenders are $20 each, while new "smart" technology that does pretty much the same thing is like $150 for pack of 3. Whoo Hoo!!!
If you were issued a Wireless Gateway (modem and router in one unit), you need to bridge the device as only a modem and then only use the #1 Ethernet port to the first mesh WiFi point. This avoids double NAT problems.
How do you bridge it?
Either your ISP can remotely configure it or you can go into the gateway’s menu.
@@richardolko6660 would the lan ports still work fine?also the wifi turned off and the gateway set in bridge mode
Bottom Line: Shouldn't buy it.
This is just more like an ads than review.
Thank you for saving 7 minutes of my life
he even turned the down side argument into a positive point hahaha
I could hear the cash register at the end. 😂✌️
Just a Samsung add. My Fritz!Box does ALL of this too, plus is well known for it's outstanding security. Love the mesh though.
The main reason for me to have Mesh goes unexplained here.... while walking around the mesh smartly switches you over so your streaming/data never gets interrupted and you always have the best connection.
Fastest explanation. Thanks!
but what pisses me off is that it's too expensive, i'd rather install a bunch of cheap access points
OpenMesh
still2much, maybe i can find something in china before the tariff kicks in
But those cheap wire hook up and have to add for Apple ever trip over the wire at night?
In my opinion, just a bunch of expensive repeaters...
Tenda Nova are pretty cheap and decent enough for the average consumer. They got rid of all my WiFi dead spots and three tp link access points couldn't do that.
So they're just fancy Wi-Fi extenders?
Well, if by fancy you mean "smart" then sure. There's also the option to do backhaul on most as well which treats them as an AP, meaning you can have them on different channels meaning less or no interference. Extenders rebroadcast on the same channel causing interference, hence the huge loss in wifi up/download speed most people get with those.
Mesh is great for large homes but there's a reason why they advertise for specific size homes. They really do mean that you should only be getting these if you have a large house with dead spots. Otherwise just get an Access Point that wires back to the router and broadcasts on another channel.
The technology of the hardware is irrelevant, the name is just a fancy millenial name for extenders.
I was going to say this.
Chester they are not extender. With extender have different ssid which means you would have to disconnect from one extender to the next when you walk from floor to floor, a mesh has the same ssid (router name like homewifi) so you don't need to change WiFi connection as you go from floor to floor. It will automatically switch you. Extenders are garbage in my opinion because if you have a printer on an extender network you can't reach it when you are on a different extender with your laptop or phone. A mesh let's all your device work as though it is on the same network. I hope this helps.
Tomjiujitsu Agreed. I love my mesh nettwork. The price is a bit higher then a traditional router, but I think it was worth changing from my old router. I used to buy extenders and the result was never as good as with mesh. For doubters, try it at least if you can afford the upgrade. Also bye bye deadspots on the lower floors of the house. Easiest setup ever..(it took me 5 min or so) and you have total control of all the devices, from the app you can download. Win win situation!
One feature you did miss is the wired connections. looking at the specs each device has two ethernet ports for connecting not only the router, but also other wired devices. This is great for homes that dont have structured cable running between rooms but have multiple wired only devices, such as desktops or older Smart TVs that wouldn't be able to join the network otherwise.
Does this mean I could plug my PC's ethernet port into one of the devices?
@@rohobok2890 yup. For instance I have a TP-Link "WiFi extender" which creates a Mesh with my existing wireless and I have a switch plugged into its LAN port. I can then plug the multiple devices in my home office into that switch and have it connect to my home network as if those devices were on the wireless network.
In fact I don't need the additional wireless coverage so I've turned off the wireless rebroadcasting of the SSIDs, so im basically using it as a wireless point to point solution.
@@bassman87 Thanks for replying Trevor, appreciated!
I just bought the Google wifi and couldn't be happier! It was super easy to install and it took care of my wifi dead spots. Well worth the money if you like to stream in 4k and have a lot of devices running.
It’s fine to do sponsored product spots but it really has the opposite affect when you lather on the positives for that product.
And unless disclosed, likely illegal (FTC says you must disclose compensated ads) and against YTube's TOS (also must disclose). Thanks - Lumpy
@@DrLumpy I'd probably "lather on the positives" too, if they send me a $250 unit for free...
@@gregzeigler3850 I've seen enough of this guy's reviews to think he is sincere.
"...but we'll get to that later. First off..." I was fully expecting Linus to show up with an audible link
This is 4 years late, but finally heard of mesh WiFi. Thanks for the info!
Thanks for watching!
Solved a lot of problems for me.
I got the 4 unit google mesh from Costco for $300. I have a large lone home with two detached garages. And a two WiFi Sprinkler controllers controlling 24 zones. I’ve had repeater units but I’ve always had trouble servicing the garage. and the sprinkler controllers always been marginal sometimes it works sometimes not. Many times requiring the repeaters to be reset. And required constant fiddling with to make the system sprinklers marginally work. I installed the Google mesh And it to was the easiest Wi-Fi system I’ve ever set up. What makes it nice over a repeater is all access points to use the same name and password instead of a different name and password at each repeater site. So all my devices automatically go to the mesh unit that best works for them at that moment. Not only did it solve the sprinkler controller problem but gave me solid Wi-Fi in both garages And even in garden shed that I never thought I’d have Wi-Fi in
I too thought at first the price was out of line. But considering the problems it solved for me it turned out to be cheap investment.
Hmm, this is EXACTLY what I used to do with apple’s airport express WDS in about 2005. I’m sad that apple has junked so many of their innovative legacies, but it is encouraging to know that other companies are doing a good job in at least this field.
Mesh specifically uses one of the wifi radios, usually the 5Ghz as the backhaul, leaving only the 2.4Ghz for wifi clients. A traditional lightweight AP uses a wired network connection and therefore has both bands available for data.. If you have the means, absolutely use traditional wired lightweight APs instead.
Installing multiple APs is not only cheaper but much faster. If you want ultimate speed you can use a wired Ethernet to connect each AP or if that's too much trouble to wire you can use a cheap $70 PowerLine Ethernet link which is still faster and cheaper than these "Mesh" products which is just a slick marketing term for Wireless repeater or WiFi backhaul.
That said this video might as well be a paid advertisement.
I'm pretty sure it is. Thanks - Lumpy
..im getting same 400mbps all over the house, how can I increase I have gig speed package
That isn't the point. You're paying a lot more money for something that isn't anything new.
Since when did this turn into a discussion about Enterprise Wireless LANs? I know a lot about enterprise WLANs since I've designed them for 15 years but that's irrelevant here. I'm comparing this to a small $50 802.11ac Wireless Router/AP, the mesh devices are 2X the price and 1/4 the speed when operating in mesh repeater or wireless bridge mode.
Only wireless engineers knows the truth...smh
Really been lookin for something like this
Happy I could help man! 👊
I have WiFi extender and it works fine, it’s quarter of the price your device is. It’s not revolutionary and it’s too expensive
Chlorine Lori if you don’t mind me asking,which WiFi extender do you use ? I’m looking into getting a extender for my modemn
Chlorine Lori Mesh WiFi doesn’t half your WiFi it repeats the signal unlike the extender which does half WiFi speed to make it go further
@@joseandrade-uw9tf a repeater is an extender and uses half your speed. The thing you are talking about that doesnt half your speed is called a bridge and needs to be connected with lan to your modem.
@@Presbiter mesh can be connected with lan cable also..
Thank you your comprehensive video which puts things into perspective. I do have dead spots where my child cannot use her school laptop in her room due to no internet connectivity. I know this will be a good investment. The interactive setup helps put my mind at ease, just knowing I don't have to go through the router to set anything up. Thank you.
I only decided to get TP Link Deco X60 / AX5400 3-pack MESH wifi 6 system recently after all these years of internet .
Very good coverage even only with ONE mesh is switched on.
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I am happy with the installation............................. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
There are disadvantages to meshing, not mentioned here.
It’s nice to have 1/100th of your download speed on a good day
Where or when do you live? 2003?
Mr Barack Obama well Obama didn’t help the internet
@@chupapibingbong Wrong person ding dong
you can litterally do this with some random 30-50usd routers, just with little tinkering, for a third of price. Name your wifi same on every router, same type of security and password voila your device is automatically connected to strongest signal.
MrSovalev no they don’t unless the old one is disconnected first
I mean yea.. you "could" do that... but not only would you have (x) amount of the same wifi name but your network would also suffer greatly because each of the extenders uses bandwidth consistently just to communicate with your router.
How much is your time worth?
Excellent Samsung infomercial !
As a Wi-Fi professional I must say you have an interesting sales pitch. In most apartments a single well placed AP is the way to go. Mesh is most likely the worst thinkable approach as you resend all traffic in the spectrum/ time you have available an extra time per hop. Wiring your house for APs and using clustering APs will improve the user experience and not just the signal strength your wireless client will see. Each channel is a shared media, meshing just ensures your traffic to be carried in this shared media double or triple. Mesh is a waste of money indoors - pull some cable to good locations and place the APs in a location an orientation that provides the very best coverage.
Yes. But you have to acknowledge that traditional bridging of routers doesn't provide seamless roaming. And that is one reason to use a mesh wi-fi network. Also, this technology gives the household an easy way to set things up without having to call tech support.
@yourleftnut1 That setup doesn't provide seamless roaming. And is the main reason why one would like to setup a mesh wi-fi.
My house is built in concrete, to do all the wiring and civil work would cost me the same as the mesh and all the time for doign that... I guess I'll get the mesh
Hi. I need to get wifi to a block of apartments to connect to 10 security cameras in the building. I live next door to the building (landlord and owner of property) i have been told to buy this mesh system and extended my home wifi to the building next door which is about 2000sq feet away. Is mesh wifi better or should i just get a router and put a sim card in there and pay £20 for unlimited data?
@@thetruth2929 10 security cameras are likely to create a lot of traffic. If they connect to a cloud service and connect via WLAN, sure 4G would work, if the signal is good. However if the cameras are 2.4GHz you could have 5GHz point to point. For the best quality you may end up paying $$$. For less than 400 yards a 60GHz system with point to point could work well. However if all possible a cable would be best.
So let me understand this...if you have a modem/router combo from your ISP, you need to have the first mesh hub plugged into that modem/router and then the second node would act as an extender? or could i just use 1 of these hubs and use it as an extender? thanks.
I thought Loki was doing a mesh wifi review
It would have been good if you mention security and surveillance by samsung, and other undesirable entities.?
I guess ok for home consumers who will only need like 3, but if you’re deploying a decent sized building I think APs are a better option, they’re cheaper, the only negative is that you need to run a bunch of patches but if you have a POE switch you don’t need to run power so you can mount the APs in better locations like ceilings. I get that it’s easier to provision but the price and the fact that you can’t mount these on ceiling unless you have a outlet up there I don’t really see these being a good alternative.
eero actually makes a POE adapter for their mesh routers, and can be mounted to the ceiling. These basically act as APs when hardwired back to a POE switch.
When I first looked at the thumbnail I thought it was a big ass oreo
NeonRL I’m dead 🤣
Great job of explaining without being overly technical. You came across as knowledgible and trustworthy. I would certainly look into both Samsung and Google mesh networks after seeing this video :-)
Whyvdont we just use bridges in usual router setup🙄 vid seems a bit promotional
It is VERY ANNOYING that these "EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS ABOUT TECH", are really just Long Over-glorified Advertisements for a certain Product.
(In This Case, It Is The Samsung SmartThings Product/s)
Like Seriously? Just Be Honest Dude! Samsung PAID YOU To ADVERTISE Their Product/s!!
You just Mention that they Happened to give you this to Try out, as if that was the only intention to Giving You This Gift...
Yet, during the MAJORITY of This Video, you talk about why this Samsung Product SPECIFICALLY, is better than the rest.
And Then To Make Matters Worse, you also VASTLY OVER EXAGGERATE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THINGS LIKE:
"Configuring A Regular Router From The Router's Admin Section."
NOTE TO THE AUTHOR:
A HIGH Percentage Of People Watching Tech Videos, KNOW HOW To Configure A Router!!! Pretending Like It Is SOOOOO Difficult, Is An Insult To Our Intelligence!!!
Because of your Sneakiness, Trying to Make An Advertisement Look Like A General Review IS WRONG!... Because Of This, I Will MAKE SURE That I Never Buy One. And, I Will Also Tell ALL Of My Friends The Same!!
TheUnlockr - You Are The WORST Type Of Human! I Hope you NEVER Talk About Greedy Corporations Or ANYTHING of that Matter, Because you have PROVEN to me, that you will EASILY Sell Your Soul For Money!
Btw non tech savvy users will have problems with bridging there main modem to another router. These meshes come in handy for home use and keeps the same SSID as in commercial use so it's good to see software trickling down.
@Andrea Proone
1 hes not right. they promote an awesome and amazing new product. if its amazing say its amazing. sure you can buy it so what nothing in life is free.
2. caps is in fact free speech. if you dont like it, move on, obviously if youre interested in the topic of discussion then youre looking at it.
@@YoungDen
yes and for non tech savvy people, you can call geek squad or a repair guy who knows the stuff and would help you easily to set it up. new technologies are innovation, clean energy, self empowerment and help families be happy
thx for the explanation, now i m going to buy mi wifi extender... 😊
Another well done video - and I learned something. Thanks David
As with most adverts there are some important missing items- speed for instance- is it faster than a mains repeater, how much speed is lost generally ?
I have two questions
1. can I use this as a Wi-Fi router replacement?
2. do I have to pay a monthly subscription to use it?
Most People that can afford dropping $500 or more on WiFi have Ethernet around the house.
I think the best option if you have ethernet wired throughout your home you should look at multiple wired AP's and maybe 1 or 2 Mesh for outside, maybe
being able to put your IoTs on a different subnet or entirely different network is by far the smartest.
Sounds good... and then came the price. "Next video!"
It’s not too bad the Eero pro is $500
yeah sure it is a lil expensive but i think that it's prob worth it
It will became cheaper and cheaper overtime just like any new tech gadgets.
Mankind has found a way to communicate to people on the moon.
But the WiFi router next to my room can't give me a signal in my room. WTH.
I like your reviews mainly because they act as a teaching lesson, and provide a great feature review. You have knack for teaching folks 👍
its just a wifi extender with a new marketing name
The one thing that concerns me about mesh systems, is that I've read a number of reviews from people who have wireless security systems and cameras such as Arlo and Blink, who have said their cameras occasionally will lose sync with the base station they have when on these mesh Networks. That's a deal-breaker, at least to me.
I'd love to see a review on a couple of these systems after someone has had them for a while and been using items like wireless cameras on them, to see which ones retain connectivity better, Etc.
Mesh networks like this are a useful tool for certain applications, but IMO I would try to avoid anything more than a single hop away from an ethernet-wired AP. Some of these mesh systems (I've only set up Amplifi) support ethernet backhaul, so you can (for example) get 95% of a house covered by ethernet-backhaul AP and then add a meshpoint or two to cover things like a patio or yard.
This is definitely a valid concern, it really depends on what your budget and needs are. Personally I have the Linksys Velop 3 Node mesh in a 4000 or so sq ft home with a cm1000 docsis 3.1 modem and I almost never have any issues with any of the connected devices (like cameras, smart door bell, security system, smart lights, etc.).
@@AlexanderRay92 look
I would have to disagree I have ADT wireless security cameras and this actually solved my issues.
Google Wifi mesh here
I don’t really need a lot of coverage and I don’t have smart lightbulbs. But what I like about these is that they look sleeker than the typical “router with antennas” techy look. Not sure if any performance is sacrificed though.
I used to do WDS bridge mode to accomplish the same thing basically. They've made it such more user friendly.
Nothing more than a advert made by a vlogger who received atleast a free product.
UA-cam is full of them...practically every single "reviewer" is that way.
i don't get it.. just bridge cheap APs everywhere
Most people are renting and don't have luxury of knowing they are going to live there long enough to pay tech men to come place ethernet from one side of the house to the other/upstairs, plus the app gives freeze action and monitoring that normal ap don't, when I move out and get my own place I will do it the AP way but for less savy people this is a good option
mesh has been very helpful for me for that exact reason in an apartment. a lot of networks around
I feel that mess network would make sense for a whole building of residents. They buy 1 gast internet and then every resident takes on of these and then the whole building has internet through 1 account :). That would be like $2-10 for internet per month. The downside being that all devices have to be wireless
Nice. But RANGE EXTENDERS have been around for ages.
And how exactly is this any better than a wifi extender??
Just because you got it for free, doesn't mean its automatically good..
Didn't know what mesh Wi-Fi was and no one I know talks about it so....👏
Never heard of Mesh WiFi, anywhere or from anyone, but I'm watching this out of sheer curiosity, but I get the feeling it's not going to be cheap. Personally, I find the in-line repeaters are better than any wifi router.
Soooooooooooooooooooo..........it's a WiFi extender. Old tech!
nope... man a wifi mesh is not an extender. lots of differences. There is nothing common between the two. i mean nothing!
Haha, I mean... by that logic.. you could say that a Modem and a Router are the same... (which they obviously are not)..
No, it's not the same. Mesh is way better and faster. You only need 1 log in to your wifi. repeaters need to be logged into each one you want to use. Therefore after you log into your repeater your device may not connect to it automatically. It may get stuck on your primary wifi point. then you have to go into setting and force to connect to that point. I used to have a repeater in my bedroom. My phone would connect to my router in the living room. Then when I take my phone to the bedroom the phone wouldn't connect to the bedroom repeater. I had to manually connect. With mesh, your entire house Is ONE internet.
Mesh system is much better than a regular wifi extender. Wifi extenders cut your bandwidth in half and continue to spread weakness signal. Mesh systems talk with each other and keep strength stronger while spreading wifi and without losing bandwidth
Well isn't it safe to say it's just an advanced WiFi extender?
Would you know if it will work with the apples time capsule (base station)
Why no mention of ASUS's AiMesh? the system lets you use traditional WiFi routers (albeit limited ASUS ones) to create your own WiFi mesh setup. ASUS even released firmware updates to most of their older routers to enable them to be used as nodes in your mesh.
Thanks for making this video. Many people have “dead” WiFi spots around their homes and property, mesh is a great solution.
I was considering it until you said “it’s also a smart hub”. I’m not interested in that creepy smart home stuff everywhere.
Yep. I was looking at the google system but then it comes with alexa and all of that shit. Dont want it. Just WiFi please.
Get used to it, boomer
_scions I was born in 1988, dummy.
@@completesentences2125 liar
_scions Ok.
or just skip this ad and buy a wireless repeater for a quarter the cost of mesh networking
no good half of your wireless speed
It is VERY ANNOYING that these "EDUCATIONAL VIDEOS ABOUT TECH", are really just Long Over-glorified Advertisements for a certain Product.
(In This Case, It Is The Samsung SmartThings Product/s)
Like Seriously? Just Be Honest Dude! Samsung PAID YOU To ADVERTISE Their Product/s!!
You just Mention that they Happened to give you this to Try out, as if that was the only intention to Giving You This Gift...
Yet, during the MAJORITY of This Video, you talk about why this Samsung Product SPECIFICALLY, is better than the rest.
And Then To Make Matters Worse, you also VASTLY OVER EXAGGERATE HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DO THINGS LIKE:
"Configuring A Regular Router From The Router's Admin Section."
NOTE TO THE AUTHOR:
A HIGH Percentage Of People Watching Tech Videos, KNOW HOW To Configure A Router!!! Pretending Like It Is SOOOOO Difficult, Is An Insult To Our Intelligence!!!
Because of your Sneakiness, Trying to Make An Advertisement Look Like A General Review IS WRONG!... Because Of This, I Will MAKE SURE That I Never Buy One. And, I Will Also Tell ALL Of My Friends The Same!!
TheUnlockr - You Are The WORST Type Of Human! I Hope you NEVER Talk About Greedy Corporations Or ANYTHING of that Matter, Because you have PROVEN to me, that you will EASILY Sell Your Soul For Money!
I use a repeater and my WiFi went from 200 down 20 up to 10-20 down 5-10 up.
Not good at all.
There's a reason they are a quarter the cost... They're only a quarter as good at what they do... Actually I would have to say its closer to an 8th as good but... sure.. do that..
Your explanation cleared up several questions I had. Thank you!
Recent research makes a very strong correlation between WiFi/cellphone radio frequencies and serious health effects in the long term, including heart disease and cancer. It turns out that even though the frequency does not produce heat, (non ionizing) it does affect the skin and how calcium interacts with the body.
Link?
Nice ad
Lol 334 Mbps down and I've got 15
Marc-André B dude I got 12 with no other people using the internet, it’s usually 9- 10
Both ya niggas is broke I'm at 275 down and there is 6 ppl where I live plus 3 other devices connected at all times for $80 bucks ah month
Ant Harlem for me it's not about being broke, it's where I live. I live outside of the city and there is only one internet provider out here.
@@slayer45670 damn that really really sux... If I were u I would get a Verizon unlimited WiFi hotspot u'll get at least 25 to 125 down
Ant Harlem Verizon, no shit? Imma look into that, thanks man👍
With the same expensive price, you should invest on killer router (eg Asus RT-5300 and etc) than Mesh. Those routers have insane range coverage and features.
I thought your video was very understandable and informative for a techno-challenged geezer such as myself. Thank you.
this dude should go easy on those facial expressions
Farhan Tanveer ha!!
Lol
If you don't have the attention span to listen to what's being said you should be in technology in the first place.
@@claythonpender4418 LOL was thinking the same CLEAN YOUR FUCKING TEETH!!!
Have seen worse.
So basically it's just automated extenders that uses a SNMP type software .
Do you need to periodically reset these mesh routers? (unplugging them from the electric outlet, wait a few seconds, plug them back in)
Why isn’t this mesh thing more popular?
Won't be better to get multiple AP on each part of the room, connected on a patch panel, on a switch?
Easier solution: Ethernet and switches, its cheap, fast, virtually zero latency, it works and keeps on working.
And.....watch your gaming throughput drop like a rock, not to mention wireless protocols not fully supported such as 802.11/AC and newer.
this was so well made! very informative
Mesh inside the house but how about mesh outside like football field or separate garage? Will this work with the distance?
There'd be too much congestion for a wireless backhaul, and at that scale you'd run into issues with latency and reliability over many hops.
Ubiquiti, who makes a line of consumer mesh access points (amplifi) also makes 'enterprise' mesh wifi access points that CAN cover things like a football stadium or hotel - but they all use an ethernet backhaul, with the ethernet itself also providing power. The 'mesh' there has to do with the ability of wifi-enabled devices to roam across multiple APs on a single session, but they generally share 'layer 2' or switch/ethernet-level common connectivity back to a central router.
They actually do make exterior mesh nodes specific for that situation but ill be honest, until the mesh type network has been around for a while those are going to be pretty pricey more so than the in home versions as they need to support some sort of water resistance and additional protection for outdoors. Garage application might actually be feasible though. Distance is one of the limiting factors of small mesh nodes but in theory you could make it work for several thousand sq ft areas.
True, all-wireless mesh networks at that scale (football field and such) intrinsically make little sense, though. Namely because such points generally are omni-directional and wifi is collision-prone, a large number of such devices attempting to talk to each-other - on top of all the devices talking with them - would lead to significant performance degradation. Even in the best case, there's still potentially a large number of hops back to the gateway, which would particularly impact things sensitive to latency (e.g., communications technology).
A hybrid system may work, sure, e.g., one with a core of wire-backed APs with a few mesh points added in to cover one-off areas and the like. The bigger issue, though, is that these wireless mesh systems still require a wire: the power cable. And right now, power-over-ethernet systems are actually fairly mature and cheap, and more than capable of powering wireless access points, so for a large installation it's not as if running only power is easier or cheaper than running only ethernet. And if you can just as easily (arguably easier and cheaper because not high voltage work) run ethernet as power, and also get the benefit of greater stability, throughput, and device capacity, why would one instead go with wireless mesh?
As far as small areas go, I think a hybrid system would work well, assuming that mesh points are no more than one hop or so removed from the core wired AP system; you may be able to get away with one more or so, assuming few other users, but it becomes exponentially worse for each hop from the get-go. It should also be mentioned that installation of ethernet cabling into housing is often unnecessary for houses since the early 2000s (in the US) since many have ethernet used either openly or as the medium for phone jacks - requiring only a simple punchdown tool/block to reterminate as ethernet. And at that point, you can either use a power injector for PoE at the end, or possibly run PoE directly through the wire (if the cable is high enough quality) and not have to worry about power, either one being vastly technically superior.
Typically the omni-directional capability rarely impedes its ability to communicate as most mesh networks use a specifically configured band or in EERO's case thread communication to talk back and forth that is auto optimized for networks in the area so as to prevent this very thing of congestion of specific channels/bands. As far as simplicity goes most of the time it is easier to just plug in a device to the wall and go. If your house or where you're staying does indeed have the ability of wired that is obviously always going to be better.
There are actually vast amounts of housing at least in a lot of the area's near me even new ones that don't always have cabling that can be used for that specific task (at least not in a simplistic way, if you're technically proficient it is definitely easier though) I know of the last 3-5 places I've stayed it was rare that we had pre-wired ethernet or phone lines that would not be affected by those around you. As far as latency it normally doesn't get affected very much (in my situation usually no more than 2-5 ms ping) if you're application is 6000-7000 sq ft or less which the average house is. Small area's however would require 0 additional hops as it is capable of communicating directly with the host node so there would be no need for daisy chaining.
In my personally experience, I've use almost every one of the most popular mesh networks. I agree there are a few that are in fact terrible and does seem like you just connected a bad router to 1-2 other cheap extenders, but there are also ones out there where the overall experience and reliability is unmatched in speed and in latency in every corner of my home. I currently have the Velop 3 Node one of the expensive options in my house and all throughout my house (roughly 4000-4400 sq ft) I have faster speeds than what I pay for and I also typically, on tests only have a 7-9 ms ping and in game or during real world measurements have between 20-35 ms ping which is amazing considered my entire house is wireless running on 3 nodes. I also tend to have practically full bars everywhere in or even near my house all the way around.
its usu around buildings, football field too large
Stop confusing A.I. with Machine Learning.
A.I. Has been over used but a simple calculator is considered as A.I. (Artificial Intelligence)
As someone who is literally completing a P.h.D in AI, I can confidently say no one in this comment thread knows what they are taking about.
Machine learning is simply a tool of AI, so for all intents and purposes Machine Learning IS artificial intelligence. Secondly, a calculator is not AI, if I see another ridiculous comment like this I'm going to blow.
Artificial meaning machine.
Intelligence meaning learning.
Definition of AI is very broad, but a calculator is definitely AI. Its artificial and has intelligence "the ability to acquire and apply knowledge". And hell a computer "an electronic device for storing and processing data" is just a sophisticated calculator at the end of the day.
+rdooski, no it is not. What website or resource are you getting this information from? You can't just make up definitions and attempt to apply it to a narrow scope of things that make sense to you. You can't take the human definition of intelligence and just apply it to a device, that's not why things have operational and technical definitions. In software, artificial intelligence has a very specific application for algorithms which have a feedforward and feeback loop integrated into the architecture; or creates a model object and can apply it to new features.
The fact that you have no idea how a calculator works (a simple set of logic gets with no feedback mechanism) because you only used one in high school, does not mean you can discuss complicated topics that are outside of your scope. So for the sake of anyone who is trying to learn here, please do not comment about complex topics like this one, someone might actually take you for your word.
Appreciate you breaking down Mesh Wi-Fi for us in a detailed and good example way!
I went from an extender to a mesh because it simplified the network for mobile devices. Even though my extender had the same pw, it was a separate device. mesh is all one device/login.
How about a powerline adapter?
Ya, way cheaper and still effective alternative!
Well in an ideal situation, if the powerline adapter says it's maximum speed is 1300mbps, and you have at least 1000mbps on your router, whatever that comes out of the adapter SHOULD NOT be less than 1000mbps. What do I mean by 'ideal situation'? It means there's no surge protector/protection in your home circuit, provided that you plug BOTH adapters straight into the wall and not through extension sockets, and also no more than the maximum electrical wiring length that the adapter says it can go.
Depends on what you're doing. If you're gaming on it, the latency is pretty bad and it can end up being kind of a waste of your money.
this is so one sided, no comparison to other brands. he has found a way to get free equipment. I have amplifi that works great and is much less in cost, only drawback is it only comes with 2 extenders.
I have Google Wifi, (Google's mesh system) and it disconnects all the time. It is the most frustrating thing as they are nearly impossible to re setup, without erasing the entire system and creating a new network, every, single, time.😡
i bet it could be simpler? Literally. You literally abuse the great language but your video's are always interesting/helpful. Many thanks mate.
I got a xiaomi wifi extender for less than $ 10
@Alex Jackson I have a big house, so I bought two extenders, when you set them up, the system will automatically ask you if you want to change the name of the extenders to match with the main router so the extender will automatically connect the nearest wifi source for you when you are moving in the house.
Plume tracks history and browsing apparently.
Thanks for the video, I didn’t know I needed one.
Take a drink every time you hear the word "hub".
How is this any different from apples airport extreme hubs?
It not a gay company
Mesh Wifi = Wifi Extender for dummies.
What if i use only one mesh router? My main router is just outside my room.
Do you still need a router in place if I were to buy a mesh system?
Soooooooo...they're basically smart repeaters. Tech that we've had for decades now.
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Not really. I know this is 7 months late so u probably dont care anymore but wifi extenders (the nes that have been around for ages) half the signal of the wifi to boost the strength whereas these mesh wifis repeat the signal of the wifi so u get maximum wifi speed everywhere at a higher cost obviously
This feels like an ad.
So mesh is exactly the same as a repeater and/or an access point. Just a fancy word for increased cost?
basically....
Thanks for the video, helped explain some of the questions I had.
So actually what Apple was doing with their airport xtreme and airport express for over a decade?
Gemarica no. Learn your stuff
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this counts as paid promotion tbhfam
Even the cheapest ones probably cost a LOT more than a hundred feet of Cat 6 Ethernet cable. The more devices use wireless, the more interference there will be. Everything that can connect hardwired should do so, reserving the wireless for those devices which simply cannot (tablets/phones, laptops that are used in many locations, etc)