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Here in Australia 🇦🇺 I recently got a vg deal, 50% off sale on a TP-Link AX5400 (Archer AX73) Router featuring Wifi 6 (not-E) featuring the aforementioned OFDMA & MU-Mimo, Dual-Band 6-Stream and 6x High Gain antennae and I some a few wifi 6 devices and the speed, connection quality and overall transfer speeds on my few smart home devices, IoT device, regular pc/tablet/laptop etc has been amazing compared to my old Wifi 5 router is noticeable with home streaming services, local streaming and multiple devices using my internet connection at the same time. Great video ThioJoe 🥰🎉🥳🏆 as always informative and a great episode to watch. Cheers 🍻
Well because wireless spectrum management is not an easy thing for the FCC you know because a certain service provider might have the license for a slice of a certain frequency band and may choose not to use it. And they use some of these frequencies in specific locations only so lot of factors to consider
I was using a 2.4G router my whole life.. I just switched to a new modem that supports 6E WIFI and it is insane what I have been missing out on! I just wish I knew
Thing is none of this matters if your devices don't support WiFi in 6ghz mode,which a lot of devices still don't. the PS5 only supports WiFi 6 and the Xbox series consoles is worse it only supports WiFi 5. So, they'll never take advantage of WiFi in 6ghz mode. now that WiFi 7 just came out, WiFi 6e is now considered legacy WiFi by technical standards, even though hardly anything supports WIFI 7 yet.
I remember the days when this was a troll channel, this video would be like how to get wifi 6E on your laptop : STEP 1 : Wrap ethernet cord around your neck STEP 2 : flip the chair over. Edit : dont press like button pls keep this comment at 69 nice
"Maybe you were bad once, but you ain't like that now. Your Karma has been reset to 0, you regenerate AP 25% faster, and your attack speed is increased by 20%. You are also immune to Critical Hits."
If you're only using WiFi for VR though that's all you need (so long as you have the router in the same room) the main problem for me is interference, so wifi6e and 6ghz suits my needs great
Funnily enough, it’s not quite a downside. Shorter range means that you get less interference from nearby access points, so better signal. You’ll need more access points though if you have a large area to cover. In professional WiFi installations, you quite often limit the output power of APs so they don’t overlap so much, which leads to better roaming between access points.
@@NicheAsQuiche Yeah WiFi 6 for Wireless PC VR gaming on Quest 2 works great as long as your router is in the same room...I have no problems at all infact i fond it works better than Link
I just checked some online retailers yesterday for a new router. Even if the devices do not yet take full advantage of the WiFi 6 or 6E, a router is one piece that's supposed to stay there for long time and makes sense to upgrade it.
Even as a tech person myself I'm glad they simplified the nomenclature. USB and SD need to take notes. I enjoy learning complex topics but I don't enjoy complexity for complexity's sake.
Hi ThioJo, Really great explanation. The use of available new channels, and especially the ones you CANNOT use is really important! Perhaps you could cover this WI-FI security topic: One thing I have, as a larger home network engineer / designer, have been concerned with the issues of IOT and security. These are your RUMBAs, refrigerators, garage door openers, plant water monitors etc... All these devices have some associated app that you access over the internet from "anywhere" meaning that the device like the garage door opener talks to the garage door opener manufacturer company that hosts that app on some server, in some hosted environment, somewhere. We are now reliant on the security of these software hosting companies, and that they are keeping up with security updates, and protecting their systems, passwords, accounts, financials from the continuous bombardment of malware, ransomware etc. We, as IT engineers have zero control on that, no SLA, no security bulletins etc. If any of these companies get compromised, they nay now have access to the devices on out networks. YIKES! Who would think that the innocence of installing a garage door opener or internet connected refrigerator with this cool app to control it now can be an entry point to our private network, our computers, financials, gaming accounts etc. Whatever it is, to me, is an uncontrolled vulnerability. But they exist. To fend off this concern, I have started to deploy networks with a private access SSID for the clients to use their WI-FI, and a separate SSID used for the IOT devices. That IOT SSID is tagged onto a separate VLAN that has access only tags on it. This way, if any device companies get hacked, all the device can see are perhaps if anything the other IOT devices on the network. We can even configure so that those IOT devices cannot see other devices on the network. Backwards though, the Client, or service person can access the device from the primary SSID directly if they need access to it. I use mostly Cisco Meraki access points, which their W-FI 6e APs come out April 2022. Their APs can securely create multiple SSIDs with the ability to tag SSIDs to a different VLAN, and you can decide if you want those devices to see other devices on the network.
Thank you for the technical description. I learn something new about 6E with every description. I recently bought the WiF 6 latest mesh network, then the next month WiFi 6E came out. Errr!! But what I found out, this was like going from Jeep to a Hummer, but my need for picking up milk, Hadn’t changed! Which I believe is that 90 - 95% of home users fall into this category. My understanding is, the technical improvements of WiFi 6E are great, but the improvements are geared to benefit the (smaller percentage) industrial users who may be in higher density usage.
It should be noted that mostly only U.S. made Routers/APs block the use of DFS channels. Those made outside the U.S., especially German and Indian makes, typically allow full DFS access. So if you recently moved to the U.S. from somewhere outside the country and brought your old Router/AP with you and are now experiencing shoddy Wi-Fi, your device is probably using DFS channels.
Thank you for such a clear explanation of the topic and a great presentation style, in general. I wish you could make great videos like this about software development and other subjects I'm interested in.
Pro Tip; if you don't need too much range like in an apartment it works far better lowering your RX/TX power ;-) I always set up routers with the "low" setting and test around the apartment then turn up the power if needed
Under-rated comment.....your also not multiplying bands into more powerful bands I.E. your 5 to 20 watt router amplifying with your neighbors up to 25-100w
The 6ghz band has a very short distance though. We have wifi 6e and a lot of devices cannot use the 6ghz band either. It's sort of useless at this juncture for homes versus wifi 6 imo.
Yep, I only had 6 for few years now. I had Comcast gix an issue I had wit my router and I got a new 6E router. It's a bit faster, which is always welcomed!
Awesome Explanation ... Thank You. I have been hunting for the 'WHY do I need this' answer for some time. So far I've only found related videos which explained how to get these things out of the BOX & Hooked up.
I've talked to a few people in the last 5 or 6 years who were building new houses. A lot of them said they were considering getting their new homes wired for ethernet. Smart homes with the climate control and security cameras and all that, might as well add a wifi 6 controller in there and put an access point in every room and hallway. Or we change our building materials to something that allows a 6ghz signal through.
You should make a video to cover why 2.4, 5 and 6 gHz spectrums have such different throughput performance. Attenuation, channel hopping and auto channel selection are also important. Great job!
6 GHz would have best throughput performance but the least range.. I'd only use the 6 GHz frequency if I lived in a apartment or closed-knit area. It's not really adaptable for houses.
@@adamasimolowo8285 Not so. With larger deployments, you move from an internally built Router / WI-FI device to a separated router/Switch, WI-FI Access points. Then design the system to properly cover the site properly with access points. That has always been the case with homes above 4K sq ft.. Now the considerations are more depending on the number of WI-FI enabled devices.
Because 2.4ghz is used by aliens and government spies to sniff your packets and 5 ghz is used by your techie neighbour who is looking to get a free wifi. You can thank me later ☻
With my old machines, with very old network cards, I'm getting higher speeds with a Wi-Fi 6 adapter through walls than with cable, without having to pass a cable.
@@baruchkata the stability and low latency of Ethernet cable are what wifi tech can't reach. It's probably that your Ethernet cable is too old. There are new Ethernet cables.
@@fraxesz1598 yes I have a 210 meter roll of old cat5 cable. Most of my machines are with 100mb Ethernet card. Newer hardware are very expensive in my country.
Just bought the Google nest pro 3pack and updates my pci card to wifi 6e. Before I was getting 170mb at opposite ends of the house . With update I'm getting 600mb on 6ghz . So happy wifi is almost catching up to cat6
but due to the higher frequency isnt this gonna be obstructed even more easily? 5GHz already only works directly in the room where the router is located. like this is a nice bonus, tech just keeps getting better, but id never get a new router for this, theres just so little use for it.
Sure will. Solution: get more access points. I don't see this as a huge problem, but yes it does mean instead of spending ~$100 you will probably need to spend close to $350-400 to get good coverage over a wide area. Very worth it my eyes as running cables through the walls and whatnot is WAY more expensive. If you already have ethernet, use that. It's way better.
@@LiveType i find that a bit excessive. 5G already needs like 1 per room, do i really want a connection thats marginally faster for which i need even more access points? like i dont know who this is for, people that need more speed likely already use ethernet, and for anything that doesnt need the highest speed, 6GHz isnt needed
TLDR...if you live in the middle of high population density area Wifi 6/6E may be worth it. If you live in the average suburban area and aren't trying to deck out a full smart home then WiFi 6 is not worth stressing about.
Thanks ThioJoe, really good info. Today I was in the new building of my company and suddenly I connected my wifi and Android was showing me the wifi symbol with a little number "6" and guess what? I ended up watching this video from you, I am already subscribed with the bell active. Thanks again man!
I purchased a couple of wifi 6e ax210 wifi cards a few months back to put in my laptop and desktop. They were $25 each and now the price has gone up on them.
I think I like this fast form of literacy. I didn’t even have to put fast forward on 😅 You were speaking so fast I thought I was amongst my family 😂. Was talking like you had plans afterwards and you were already running late 😆 Love it
I used to live in an apartment. There's so many wifi list. Over 20. Some people have multiple SSID. When you're on 1gig line, interference matters. You can't get even near full speed.
Wonderful presentation and professionally edited. I just ordered a new Vizio TV 4 2023 and it has the 6E in addition to the 2.4 and the Wi-Fi 5. At first I thought I was misreading the specifications on the Vizio 50-in q x LED television set but after going back and seeing that it did say 6E I put a request in to UA-cam this morning to find out what it meant and then I thought that Xfinity Comcast wanted me to switch routers but my router handles 2.4 plus 5.0 and Comcast has a specific number of replacement routers that they approve for you son there cables. I only found two companies that make routers that handle the 2.4 and the 5.0. my current router is a TP Link and it works with the 2.4 protocol and I have a second choice which is the 5.0 protocol. When I replace the router, and since my TV is and can handle 2.4, 5, and 6E I will definitely look for a router that has the ability to work with 6 and 6E. I will definitely look for your full explanation video to bring myself up to speed on this category and I thank you for explaining it so clearly.
Does WIFI 6 come up as an option for your SSID to join? Or is this part of WIFI 5? How do you know its working? Do you need to have a 6E device to receive the wifi signals?
Thanks to this video, I unintentionally figured out what the (DFS) meant when added to some of the 5GHz channels in my routers advanced settings. Mine apparently lets you select them, but lets you know which channels can be affected. I just never bothered to look. Thankfully there's no weather or airport radar close to my house!
One thing that's almost certainly still the same - hardwired Ethernet will always be the better choice for any device that has or can have an Ethernet port, and which does not need to be mobile or have Internet access outside your home.
I use AmpliFi's Monster which is WiFi 6. Works great with amazing management features. As you mentioned the are few WiFi 6 clients. Of the 50 or so devices in our home, only my wife's phone is WiFi 6.
A solution. - Use *Ethernet over powerline* for all stationary devices, leaving wifi for tablets/mobiles and lighting. It would be great that we can eventually just use USB-C over powerline with 80GBs+ data and 3.2+ 240w+ power delivery which could cover many home appliances as well.
A number of manufacturers do not follow the WiFi 6 certification, but are still marked as a WiFi 6 product. The problem here is that they do not follow the Wi-Fi Alliance standard 160Hz from the ax standard (up to 1733 Mbps - 4804Mbps on the shorter 5GHz channel), but instead 80MHz which theoretically stops at 450Mbps. What you have to do before you choose one, if you want to really upgrade the speed at home, is to check in the manual that 160Hz is max. Do not buy anything lower, because then the performance is also worse and you do not really have a real WiFi 6 router.
Too much discussion about 2.4 and 5 and not enough about the differences between 6 and 6E, which the topic led me to think would be the central points. I'm already using 6 (ax). What would I gain from 6E?
Hmm I thought WIFI 6 has the capability to use the 6GHz spectrum, but it was disabled because they were not allowed to use it at the time. Then when the use of 6Ghz band was/is ratified, they simply have to update the driver software to enable it. That was my belief but I am definitely not a expert, and have no idea if that is 100% true.
I've started to notice 5Ghz is beating 2Ghz in USABLE range. Basically the end range of 2Ghz isn't even worth using, you'll probably get less than 1mbps.
@@LIVEFRMNYC the higher GHz the number, the weaker the signal strength. it's physics. a 5GHz signal will have less penetration through obstructions like walls, furniture etc. than 2.4GHz. Even with a clear line of sight, the range of 2.4GHz will be greater than 5GHz. And 5GHz will be greater than 6GHz. if it's capacity, or data transmission efficiency you're talking about, then that's a diff story
@@nickloss2377 Theoretically that's correct. But like I've already mentioned. In real life usage, the end portion of 2Ghz range is not usable the majority of the time. The speed and latency becomes so bad after a certain distance, that having a longer range over 5Ghz is not even a pro.
Using 6e now,, way faster, a bigger wave form wil always have problems passing info through objects, but if younaccount for packet checks on the 5 ghz network 6e is WAY faster, and if you buy a good quality router it will boost the signal a lot.. I get wifi in the garage through several walls on that's got steel webbing in it, no issues .
@@nickloss2377 see my above reply, you're absolutely correct the information is carried between the peak and valley of the wave ( more 1s and 0s ) but due to the wider wave it has less stacked transmission.. much like an electrical circuit, 2.4 is more like series ( additive pressure ) vs 5 parallel ( additive flow ) . 6e is like series parallel.. if you buy a decent router. It's also way less congested than a 5g network, as they have packet losses and signal verification checks when receiving data, and more traffic is on 5 g. Respectfully.
WiFi 6E seems to be only available for mobile "phones" from what I glean here, but I also gather the frequency is on newer home routers. Does this mean I need to buy a new computer to use it, or will my 1 month old laptop have the capability now?
Your laptop from mid-2021 will not have 6E built-in; but it may have an upgradeable wifi card (my wife's Lenovo Flex 5 can be upgraded for instance; and the card is
The only thing that I'm kinda of skeptical about with Wi-Fi 6 is OFDMA. I'm studying for the CCNA at the moment, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this. It just seems to me that broadcasting multiple devices data on the same frame would be a huge security flaw. Of course by default devices are only going to listen for their data, but if multiple devices' data is sent on the same frame, I would think a bad actor could very easily collect data they are not supposed to have, with pretty much no effort other than being connected to a Wi-FI 6 network with OFDMA. Again, I'm studying so please correct me if I am wrong, that is just what came to my mind when he talked about it!
In Pakistan, you cant even choose 36-48 5ghz channels, and for Mesh Networking, some systems use 149-165 channels for Mesh so you cant use them. So basically you cant have mesh in pakistan.
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If you are not already very well versed in WiFi, this video's sloppy script won't make any sense to you. It confuses frequency with bandwidth and channels.
With wifi, I only look for improvements in signal health and not throughput. Because I don't really need gigabit internet connection through wifi but I do need it to work when I am in the other end of my house.
Also, no, setting up a router doesn't require doing anything with wireless channels. One can leave the wireless turned off completely. Or someone advanced may use a router that has no wireless access point built in at all.
The other day my cable co gave me a new WiFi router. When I looked at the available networks my old router would show a 2G network & a 5G network. Now however, all it shows is 1 network and is not labeled 2G nor 5G nor 6E. However, all my 2G security cameras work. My UA-cam works. Do I have 6E? !
Problem with those non DFS bands is that those don't allow 1w transmission so tranmission range is low. Bands from 100 to 144 allow 1W so in theory y could gat 10 to 50KM range with WiFi. Top bands allow only 25mW. lower bands allow 100mW but i think only indoors. So no long range Wifi drones with 2k video.
I just went out and got an M2 MacBook Pro because it supported WiFi 6E, I worked with it for 1 week to see if there was any difference over my M1 MacBook Pro both connecting to my Xfinity XB8 which claims to support 6E. There was NO DIFFERENCE. WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
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Here in Australia 🇦🇺 I recently got a vg deal, 50% off sale on a TP-Link AX5400 (Archer AX73) Router featuring Wifi 6 (not-E) featuring the aforementioned OFDMA & MU-Mimo, Dual-Band 6-Stream and 6x High Gain antennae and I some a few wifi 6 devices and the speed, connection quality and overall transfer speeds on my few smart home devices, IoT device, regular pc/tablet/laptop etc has been amazing compared to my old Wifi 5 router is noticeable with home streaming services, local streaming and multiple devices using my internet connection at the same time. Great video ThioJoe 🥰🎉🥳🏆 as always informative and a great episode to watch. Cheers 🍻
How you made Channel Guidelines In comments can you pls tell
I’ll wait for WI-FI 7 at this point since I upgraded to WI-FI 6 in 2019 as an early adopter.
Me : *buys a Wi-Fi 6 router*
6 months later, the FCC : here’s the new Wi-Fi 6E !
Me : *screams internally*
Try having just bought one 8 days ago 😢
It is fine because WiFi 6E router is too expensive !!
Your router supports 6e, the manufacturer will probably enable functionality in a few years...
Or install ddwrt.
It makes me want to not even buy either especially since the pricing is so high.
@@KelvinKMS just bought a nighthawk c7000, should be more than plenty for me
If that """"Wi-fi 6"""" is so good, why isn't there a Wi-fi 6 2??
Well because wireless spectrum management is not an easy thing for the FCC you know because a certain service provider might have the license for a slice of a certain frequency band and may choose not to use it. And they use some of these frequencies in specific locations only so lot of factors to consider
@@aswinp888 hey man, this comment was an obvious joke. I know some people don't pick up on sarcasm easily, especially nerdy people, so it is fine!
@@XenoTravis yes im a nerd thanks
@@XenoTravis What a loe
If WiFi 6 is so good... we won't need anything after it. WiFi 6 is the "end all, be all" of wifi. (yeah, right)
Thanks!
Just looked back and realized I didn't give you a proper thanks comment, so thank you! 😁
I was using a 2.4G router my whole life.. I just switched to a new modem that supports 6E WIFI and it is insane what I have been missing out on! I just wish I knew
I'm Have to upgrade my modem is glitchy now mine is 5 years old lol.
I have a dual band wifi 4 router that can be at wifi 4 or 5
do any macbooks support WIFI 6E?
@@reardelt the new macbook pros that just came out support wifi 6e!
Thing is none of this matters if your devices don't support WiFi in 6ghz mode,which a lot of devices still don't. the PS5 only supports WiFi 6 and the Xbox series consoles is worse it only supports WiFi 5. So, they'll never take advantage of WiFi in 6ghz mode. now that WiFi 7 just came out, WiFi 6e is now considered legacy WiFi by technical standards, even though hardly anything supports WIFI 7 yet.
"Without doing any research, Ethernet Cable of 2004 > WiFi 6" -- Wired Gamers Gang
@@startpowxr Dont they use copper ? CAT cables are not fiber based.
@@startpowxr CAT is copper, not fiber.
@@startpowxr i'm sure wifi use light
just not visible light
@@sajeucettefoistunevaspasme Wifi uses radio waves.
I remember the days when this was a troll channel, this video would be like how to get wifi 6E on your laptop :
STEP 1 : Wrap ethernet cord around your neck
STEP 2 : flip the chair over.
Edit : dont press like button pls keep this comment at 69 nice
Dude anytime I watch his video I keep thinking i'm going to get trolled 😂
Step 3: Contact the president
"Maybe you were bad once, but you ain't like that now. Your Karma has been reset to 0, you regenerate AP 25% faster, and your attack speed is increased by 20%. You are also immune to Critical Hits."
which idiot was the 70. 😂
NOOO SOMEONE LIKED IT
6ghz band has an even shorter range, though.
If you're only using WiFi for VR though that's all you need (so long as you have the router in the same room) the main problem for me is interference, so wifi6e and 6ghz suits my needs great
my router is 30cm away from me lol
why am i saying this when I have wofi 4
Funnily enough, it’s not quite a downside. Shorter range means that you get less interference from nearby access points, so better signal. You’ll need more access points though if you have a large area to cover. In professional WiFi installations, you quite often limit the output power of APs so they don’t overlap so much, which leads to better roaming between access points.
@@NicheAsQuiche Yeah WiFi 6 for Wireless PC VR gaming on Quest 2 works great as long as your router is in the same room...I have no problems at all infact i fond it works better than Link
Yea I was hoping he would talk about range/pentetration issues. I wonder if a 160MHz wide channel on the 6GHz band would at least cover 2 rooms...
the beauty of 2.4 ghz was the enormous range. I miss the good old days where I had wifi in my neighbors gardeb
2.4GHz still exists.
I just checked some online retailers yesterday for a new router. Even if the devices do not yet take full advantage of the WiFi 6 or 6E, a router is one piece that's supposed to stay there for long time and makes sense to upgrade it.
no it doesn't. lol
@@jamesdeluca3468 It wouldn't hurt to be ready for the future.
@@killertruth186 Future is wifi 7. 6E clients are limited. Buying a 6E router is dumb.
I bought a dsl modem they are meant to sit and not bark.
Even as a tech person myself I'm glad they simplified the nomenclature. USB and SD need to take notes. I enjoy learning complex topics but I don't enjoy complexity for complexity's sake.
When thio uploads I always wait for him to heart me so that i can show off to my cousin who never got it
Tell them to just comment earlier 😤
@@ThioJoe lol they never does that
@@ThioJoe wait why do you have that crown next to ur name but not on ur actual channel sorry im new here
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Hi ThioJo,
Really great explanation. The use of available new channels, and especially the ones you CANNOT use is really important!
Perhaps you could cover this WI-FI security topic:
One thing I have, as a larger home network engineer / designer, have been concerned with the issues of IOT and security. These are your RUMBAs, refrigerators, garage door openers, plant water monitors etc... All these devices have some associated app that you access over the internet from "anywhere" meaning that the device like the garage door opener talks to the garage door opener manufacturer company that hosts that app on some server, in some hosted environment, somewhere. We are now reliant on the security of these software hosting companies, and that they are keeping up with security updates, and protecting their systems, passwords, accounts, financials from the continuous bombardment of malware, ransomware etc. We, as IT engineers have zero control on that, no SLA, no security bulletins etc.
If any of these companies get compromised, they nay now have access to the devices on out networks. YIKES! Who would think that the innocence of installing a garage door opener or internet connected refrigerator with this cool app to control it now can be an entry point to our private network, our computers, financials, gaming accounts etc. Whatever it is, to me, is an uncontrolled vulnerability. But they exist.
To fend off this concern, I have started to deploy networks with a private access SSID for the clients to use their WI-FI, and a separate SSID used for the IOT devices. That IOT SSID is tagged onto a separate VLAN that has access only tags on it. This way, if any device companies get hacked, all the device can see are perhaps if anything the other IOT devices on the network. We can even configure so that those IOT devices cannot see other devices on the network. Backwards though, the Client, or service person can access the device from the primary SSID directly if they need access to it.
I use mostly Cisco Meraki access points, which their W-FI 6e APs come out April 2022. Their APs can securely create multiple SSIDs with the ability to tag SSIDs to a different VLAN, and you can decide if you want those devices to see other devices on the network.
Love your posts 🌷 just saw this one posted 21 seconds ago ❤️
Thank you for the technical description. I learn something new about 6E with every description.
I recently bought the WiF 6 latest mesh network, then the next month WiFi 6E came out. Errr!!
But what I found out, this was like going from Jeep to a Hummer, but my need for picking up milk,
Hadn’t changed!
Which I believe is that 90 - 95% of home users fall into this category.
My understanding is, the technical improvements of WiFi 6E are great,
but the improvements are geared to benefit the (smaller percentage) industrial users
who may be in higher density usage.
It should be noted that mostly only U.S. made Routers/APs block the use of DFS channels. Those made outside the U.S., especially German and Indian makes, typically allow full DFS access.
So if you recently moved to the U.S. from somewhere outside the country and brought your old Router/AP with you and are now experiencing shoddy Wi-Fi, your device is probably using DFS channels.
Love your videos Thio, thanks.
Thank you for such a clear explanation of the topic and a great presentation style, in general. I wish you could make great videos like this about software development and other subjects I'm interested in.
I simply love your networking videos, keep making more of them!🤩
"In the future we will have flying cars"
The future:
Well Slovakia 🇸🇰 have made a flying car
Pro Tip; if you don't need too much range like in an apartment it works far better lowering your RX/TX power ;-) I always set up routers with the "low" setting and test around the apartment then turn up the power if needed
Under-rated comment.....your also not multiplying bands into more powerful bands
I.E. your 5 to 20 watt router amplifying with your neighbors up to 25-100w
The 6ghz band has a very short distance though. We have wifi 6e and a lot of devices cannot use the 6ghz band either. It's sort of useless at this juncture for homes versus wifi 6 imo.
Yep, I only had 6 for few years now.
I had Comcast gix an issue I had wit my router and I got a new 6E router.
It's a bit faster, which is always welcomed!
Excellent job on the video! Thanks for posting.
Awesome Explanation ... Thank You.
I have been hunting for the 'WHY do I need this' answer for some time.
So far I've only found related videos which explained how to get these things out of the BOX & Hooked up.
I've talked to a few people in the last 5 or 6 years who were building new houses. A lot of them said they were considering getting their new homes wired for ethernet. Smart homes with the climate control and security cameras and all that, might as well add a wifi 6 controller in there and put an access point in every room and hallway. Or we change our building materials to something that allows a 6ghz signal through.
@@tiggerfink what router you change
Agreed and the walls matter to for signal especially in a basement.
You should make a video to cover why 2.4, 5 and 6 gHz spectrums have such different throughput performance. Attenuation, channel hopping and auto channel selection are also important. Great job!
6 GHz would have best throughput performance but the least range.. I'd only use the 6 GHz frequency if I lived in a apartment or closed-knit area. It's not really adaptable for houses.
@@adamasimolowo8285 Not so. With larger deployments, you move from an internally built Router / WI-FI device to a separated router/Switch, WI-FI Access points. Then design the system to properly cover the site properly with access points. That has always been the case with homes above 4K sq ft.. Now the considerations are more depending on the number of WI-FI enabled devices.
Because 2.4ghz is used by aliens and government spies to sniff your packets and 5 ghz is used by your techie neighbour who is looking to get a free wifi. You can thank me later ☻
When you say throuput, are you meaning bandwidth? I think he covered it
@@adamasimolowo8285 bandwidth
Thank You Tio for the good Explanation.
My daughters’ PCs are in a area that I am unable to hard wire. The switch to WiFi6 for them was an absolute game changer.
Yeah, nothing beats hard wiring... but Wifi6 sure does close the gap.
awesome video. This helped me explain to my Ham Radio operator dad that he needs Wifi 6. I told him that its not as basic as he thinks.
Nice bro love the channel and the info
Ethernet cable from a decade ago still faster and run more reliably than anything wifi.
With my old machines, with very old network cards, I'm getting higher speeds with a Wi-Fi 6 adapter through walls than with cable, without having to pass a cable.
so you want your phone attached to an ethernet cable?
@@baruchkata the stability and low latency of Ethernet cable are what wifi tech can't reach. It's probably that your Ethernet cable is too old. There are new Ethernet cables.
@@fraxesz1598 yes I have a 210 meter roll of old cat5 cable. Most of my machines are with 100mb Ethernet card. Newer hardware are very expensive in my country.
Just bought the Google nest pro 3pack and updates my pci card to wifi 6e. Before I was getting 170mb at opposite ends of the house . With update I'm getting 600mb on 6ghz . So happy wifi is almost catching up to cat6
Yup.. I got 6e a while ago, it's crazy fast. Love it.
but due to the higher frequency isnt this gonna be obstructed even more easily?
5GHz already only works directly in the room where the router is located. like this is a nice bonus, tech just keeps getting better, but id never get a new router for this, theres just so little use for it.
Sure will. Solution: get more access points.
I don't see this as a huge problem, but yes it does mean instead of spending ~$100 you will probably need to spend close to $350-400 to get good coverage over a wide area. Very worth it my eyes as running cables through the walls and whatnot is WAY more expensive. If you already have ethernet, use that. It's way better.
The penetration capability of the radio wave depends on the type of construction material of the walls and floors.
@@LiveType i find that a bit excessive. 5G already needs like 1 per room, do i really want a connection thats marginally faster for which i need even more access points? like i dont know who this is for, people that need more speed likely already use ethernet, and for anything that doesnt need the highest speed, 6GHz isnt needed
TLDR...if you live in the middle of high population density area Wifi 6/6E may be worth it. If you live in the average suburban area and aren't trying to deck out a full smart home then WiFi 6 is not worth stressing about.
2:30 wifi 5 is only 5ghz though.
My router runs at 2.4ghz, that's why whenever I use a BT headset on my laptop it interferes with my network speed
Take a hammer to it. Your first bit of advice is free afterwards its $ 99c./£ 99p. 🇬🇧👍
Thanks ThioJoe, really good info. Today I was in the new building of my company and suddenly I connected my wifi and Android was showing me the wifi symbol with a little number "6" and guess what? I ended up watching this video from you, I am already subscribed with the bell active. Thanks again man!
I purchased a couple of wifi 6e ax210 wifi cards a few months back to put in my laptop and desktop. They were $25 each and now the price has gone up on them.
I think I like this fast form of literacy. I didn’t even have to put fast forward on 😅 You were speaking so fast I thought I was amongst my family 😂. Was talking like you had plans afterwards and you were already running late 😆 Love it
I didnt watched full video but I know it will be fantastic!!
I used to live in an apartment. There's so many wifi list. Over 20. Some people have multiple SSID. When you're on 1gig line, interference matters. You can't get even near full speed.
Super informative, thank you!!
Wonderful presentation and professionally edited. I just ordered a new Vizio TV 4 2023 and it has the 6E in addition to the 2.4 and the Wi-Fi 5. At first I thought I was misreading the specifications on the Vizio 50-in q x LED television set but after going back and seeing that it did say 6E I put a request in to UA-cam this morning to find out what it meant and then I thought that Xfinity Comcast wanted me to switch routers but my router handles 2.4 plus 5.0 and Comcast has a specific number of replacement routers that they approve for you son there cables. I only found two companies that make routers that handle the 2.4 and the 5.0. my current router is a TP Link and it works with the 2.4 protocol and I have a second choice which is the 5.0 protocol. When I replace the router, and since my TV is and can handle 2.4, 5, and 6E I will definitely look for a router that has the ability to work with 6 and 6E. I will definitely look for your full explanation video to bring myself up to speed on this category and I thank you for explaining it so clearly.
This dude explained this really nicely
I see you i still only remember the old videos good to see where you are right know
"wifi 6 and wifi 6E"
brain: *shows Markiplier saying E*
Thanks for short and informative video!
Does WIFI 6 come up as an option for your SSID to join? Or is this part of WIFI 5? How do you know its working? Do you need to have a 6E device to receive the wifi signals?
Solid information video on WiFI 6/6e.
Me: Buys a wifi 6 router and extender. $700
Router: You have 2 wifi 6 devices 🧐
Thanks to this video, I unintentionally figured out what the (DFS) meant when added to some of the 5GHz channels in my routers advanced settings. Mine apparently lets you select them, but lets you know which channels can be affected. I just never bothered to look. Thankfully there's no weather or airport radar close to my house!
One thing that's almost certainly still the same - hardwired Ethernet will always be the better choice for any device that has or can have an Ethernet port, and which does not need to be mobile or have Internet access outside your home.
Thanks for making this new revision easy to understand.
if im getting full speed on my AC router do I really need to upgrade to wifi 6?
Great video! You now got a new subscriber.
Thanks for the info man. Truly appreciate it
This is all fine and dandy... except there are no adapters or chipsets that support 6ghz
Thanks, Thio!
Never in my life would I have believed ThioJoe would make a legit video about Wifi 💀💀💀
I use AmpliFi's Monster which is WiFi 6. Works great with amazing management features. As you mentioned the are few WiFi 6 clients. Of the 50 or so devices in our home, only my wife's phone is WiFi 6.
A solution. - Use *Ethernet over powerline* for all stationary devices,
leaving wifi for tablets/mobiles and lighting.
It would be great that we can eventually just use USB-C over powerline with 80GBs+ data and 3.2+ 240w+ power delivery which could cover many home appliances as well.
Great info. Stay safe
thanks for the blink list too
00:02:20 Wi-Fi 5 does not support 2.4 GHz. Only works in 5 GHz band.
A number of manufacturers do not follow the WiFi 6 certification, but are still marked as a WiFi 6 product. The problem here is that they do not follow the Wi-Fi Alliance standard 160Hz from the ax standard (up to 1733 Mbps - 4804Mbps on the shorter 5GHz channel), but instead 80MHz which theoretically stops at 450Mbps. What you have to do before you choose one, if you want to really upgrade the speed at home, is to check in the manual that 160Hz is max. Do not buy anything lower, because then the performance is also worse and you do not really have a real WiFi 6 router.
Nice video well explained
Thank you for the video
Too much discussion about 2.4 and 5 and not enough about the differences between 6 and 6E, which the topic led me to think would be the central points. I'm already using 6 (ax). What would I gain from 6E?
Excellent job covering the spectrum. Subbbbbbbed
Hmm I thought WIFI 6 has the capability to use the 6GHz spectrum, but it was disabled because they were not allowed to use it at the time. Then when the use of 6Ghz band was/is ratified, they simply have to update the driver software to enable it.
That was my belief but I am definitely not a expert, and have no idea if that is 100% true.
This is awesome! I only came to know from this video
From my testing even 5ghz has very limited range, so 6ghz is going to require you to be so close you may as well just plug in at that point :)
I've started to notice 5Ghz is beating 2Ghz in USABLE range. Basically the end range of 2Ghz isn't even worth using, you'll probably get less than 1mbps.
@@LIVEFRMNYC the higher GHz the number, the weaker the signal strength. it's physics. a 5GHz signal will have less penetration through obstructions like walls, furniture etc. than 2.4GHz. Even with a clear line of sight, the range of 2.4GHz will be greater than 5GHz. And 5GHz will be greater than 6GHz. if it's capacity, or data transmission efficiency you're talking about, then that's a diff story
@@nickloss2377 Theoretically that's correct. But like I've already mentioned. In real life usage, the end portion of 2Ghz range is not usable the majority of the time. The speed and latency becomes so bad after a certain distance, that having a longer range over 5Ghz is not even a pro.
Using 6e now,, way faster, a bigger wave form wil always have problems passing info through objects, but if younaccount for packet checks on the 5 ghz network 6e is WAY faster, and if you buy a good quality router it will boost the signal a lot.. I get wifi in the garage through several walls on that's got steel webbing in it, no issues .
@@nickloss2377 see my above reply, you're absolutely correct the information is carried between the peak and valley of the wave ( more 1s and 0s ) but due to the wider wave it has less stacked transmission.. much like an electrical circuit, 2.4 is more like series ( additive pressure ) vs 5 parallel ( additive flow ) . 6e is like series parallel.. if you buy a decent router. It's also way less congested than a 5g network, as they have packet losses and signal verification checks when receiving data, and more traffic is on 5 g. Respectfully.
WiFi 6E seems to be only available for mobile "phones" from what I glean here, but I also gather the frequency is on newer home routers. Does this mean I need to buy a new computer to use it, or will my 1 month old laptop have the capability now?
You will need a 6E card & Router.
Your laptop from mid-2021 will not have 6E built-in; but it may have an upgradeable wifi card (my wife's Lenovo Flex 5 can be upgraded for instance; and the card is
I just subscribed. Your videos are interesting
The only thing that I'm kinda of skeptical about with Wi-Fi 6 is OFDMA. I'm studying for the CCNA at the moment, so please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
It just seems to me that broadcasting multiple devices data on the same frame would be a huge security flaw. Of course by default devices are only going to listen for their data, but if multiple devices' data is sent on the same frame, I would think a bad actor could very easily collect data they are not supposed to have, with pretty much no effort other than being connected to a Wi-FI 6 network with OFDMA.
Again, I'm studying so please correct me if I am wrong, that is just what came to my mind when he talked about it!
They can collect all the encrypted PFS-traffic they want. I also doubt they can see anything in my VPN.
In Pakistan, you cant even choose 36-48 5ghz channels, and for Mesh Networking, some systems use 149-165 channels for Mesh so you cant use them. So basically you cant have mesh in pakistan.
A really great job. thank you
Thank you for this video. Very informative as I am shopping around for new routers or mesh network.
So would 6e still be called 802.11ax? Or ax e?
It's an easy upgrade to 6E. I recently opened up my laptop to upgrade the RAM, and just used a Sharpie to add an _E_ to my wifi card.
😂😂😂🤣
You don't need to open you laptop to upgrade the RAM. Just download the latest expansion from the internet.
geniuz 100
Great job!
Thanks Thio!
ThioJoe, I had mistakenly deleted my Task scheduler a while ago. If it is possible for you to help me, how may I reinstall it back. If you could send a link to reliable download, it would be appreciated.
If you are not already very well versed in WiFi, this video's sloppy script won't make any sense to you.
It confuses frequency with bandwidth and channels.
GLAD TO SEE IT, BUT TOO EXPENSIVE...WILL WAIT
With wifi, I only look for improvements in signal health and not throughput. Because I don't really need gigabit internet connection through wifi but I do need it to work when I am in the other end of my house.
If I purchased 6E from the USA and used in it Europe, it would be illegal but I would have the best WiFi network in the area!!!
Also, no, setting up a router doesn't require doing anything with wireless channels. One can leave the wireless turned off completely. Or someone advanced may use a router that has no wireless access point built in at all.
The other day my cable co gave me a new WiFi router. When I looked at the
available networks my old router would show a 2G network & a 5G network.
Now however, all it shows is 1 network and is not labeled 2G nor 5G nor 6E.
However, all my 2G security cameras work. My UA-cam works. Do I have 6E?
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Problem with those non DFS bands is that those don't allow 1w transmission so tranmission range is low. Bands from 100 to 144 allow 1W so in theory y could gat 10 to 50KM range with WiFi. Top bands allow only 25mW. lower bands allow 100mW but i think only indoors. So no long range Wifi drones with 2k video.
Also if you live near a port, DFS channels become impossible to use because the ships radar also uses that freq
Great video
Note that Wi-Fi 5 does not support 2.4 Ghz (Time index 2:25)
Pretty Cool
Thanks 😎✌️
I just went out and got an M2 MacBook Pro because it supported WiFi 6E, I worked with it for 1 week to see if there was any difference over my M1 MacBook Pro both connecting to my Xfinity XB8 which claims to support 6E. There was NO DIFFERENCE. WHAT DID I DO WRONG?
The extra channel only works if you have a device that can read receive something on channel 6?
I would like to see Wi-Fi at much lower frequencies to have a lot of coverage with just 1 access point.
Thanks for your sharing
I live in a tight apartment building. Should I then wait for wifi 6e routers to get cheaper or get one of the wifi 6 routers now?