Hello Joe, Thanks for helping me realise what my problem is, your information has helped greatly to cure my target panic, with me it was brought on by poor clicker control. Cheers and stay well.
I use rolled up carpet for a target...no bullseye, just a fictional animal torso. I "aim" at a section or a shade on the carpet roll as though its the animal torso. 24" wide and about 12' long rolls into a nice easy pull target. Tie it with 550 cord or use a spray adhesive to keep the carpet rolled.
When I first started bow hunting many years ago, I started with a compound. But I shot instinctively… Fingers, and no sights. During that time, I also bought a Martin Mamba recurve. I developed target panic in the worst way! It got so bad, that just like you described, I was releasing the arrow so early, it didn’t even feel like I was even at half draw! I tried so hard to overcome it, but to no avail. I was almost at the point where I was going to give up archery for good. Then somebody suggested that I go back to the compound, and use a MECHANICAL RELEASE. For me, that was like finding the holy grail!! I was able to draw to full anchor and hold it, because my finger was not on the trigger. My groups tightened back up and I was good to go. After a couple years have gone by, I switched back to trad, and all the target panic was gone.
Great video. Good lesson to have forever. I had this habit years back. Was lucky enough, and persevered through it. Found myself, taking to myself, while pulling my bow back. And got it. Very frustrating, without the instruction, I could have used back then. Would have saved a lot of hassle. I subcribed today. S3. Mighty fine. Keep em coming. And many thanks. TP
Joe, I just wanted to thank you and your brother for all the sharing you do. I've benefited from your videos and have found this one particularly useful. I have been shooting for less than four months and discovered my brain would not let me hold my anchor and that my draw length was shrinking. Your explanation of the technique you use to eliminate target panic is very clear and sensible. I am very grateful to you for helping me out of this pit. I was getting very frustrated and couldn't find a solution on my own. I just started using your method and have already begun to see results. My confidence has started to rise, as well. Thank you.
great, I have came to the same conclusion for about 15 years ago. Got rid of tp shooting a compound. Once I decided not to take the shot, I could aim all day longat the middle without a twich. This is a real game changer. Actually i think that it is a step most never learns, how to aim properly that is. As most people are impatient they just buy their bows and want to shoot like robin hood instantly. Later like 95% end up with tp, such as I did too. A nother thought I´d like to share is that tp is just part of the path of the archer, lern to concour it as others did before us becouse it happens to almoust everyone.
Hi. Thank you very much! I'am so glad to see this Video. Since 6 years i have TP and last year i don't want archery any more. But now after a week with your Training program it's works better and better. Thank you so much. Greets from Germany
+Matthias Schwanner I'm so happy that it is working for you, Matthias. So many archers have given archery up once developing TP, and it makes me so happy to hear this technique is helping you get back into archery! Cheers!
this has been driving me crazy for a long time. I grab a bow at home and can draw it back with no problem. I get to the range and boom.......target panic. Thanks I'm definitely going to try this.
@@s3archery849 This worked out perfectly, I still do this now and will continue to do so. Thanks very much! It is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
One thing that seems to be helping me with both compound and traditional shooting is getting to a good anchor point and then counting off two seconds before I release. Since all the form issues are covered, the only thing to do in those two seconds is concentrating on my aim point. If something doesn't feel right, I just let the bow down and start over.
100% correct, John. I think it’s so prevalent in compound archery, it gets all the attention. Plus, when you get it in compound, it’s very obvious to watchers. In trad archery, unless you know the archer and their draw length, it’s hard to see it and know it except for the actual archer. Main thing is don’t allow it to take hold - be proactive in stomping it out the moment it becomes known. Cheers!
tried using that method of drawing without shooting, doing it a couple of times and then i shoot one. it does help me, but it is hard to do in a crowded enviroment such as my club has. it really helps to be as relaxed as possible for this method. also helps to do it just a couple of times per minute and then take a rest, or else the muscles fatigue to much
Agree 100%. Once you fatigue, stop and rest. Fatigue is much to blame for "shooting short", so best to do this fresh. Glad you saw results so fast. I found I get better after doing this for about 20 times, with 5 second holds.
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Great video! Thanks for the tip. I am developing a bit of snap shooting and every tip helps.
What a great video, as a traditional archer I now know why I can shoot a swinging ball and have the same anchor point each time and am able to hold the shot for up to 5-10 seconds while I am aiming and passing the target before releasing and if I take my time I can hit 5 out of 8 arrows at 10 yards. When target shooting at the 20 yard range I have developed target panic. Many years ago I did not have it, now at 76 years I do? I will practice your theory as it sounds correct. Thanks so much
this does work, it really does,, its so difficult not to let go at 1st.. sometimes getting to full draw without letting go only once in three. at first I just used an open space, then introduced an empty backstop, then a small target. went to the 3D course and boom, after 2 targets it was back again. so now what I do when I get to the 3D course is go to the peg draw up an arrow and not shoot the 3D, just come down, carry on to the next target until i've done about 10 targets without letting go of a single arrow.. it works but you have to work too if you want to cure it.. of course worse for some than others.Thanks
I shoot using the gap method of aiming and my target panic causes me to lock up one foot low and 6 inches to the right. This exercise is exactly what I have to do also. I’ll draw telling myself I’m not going to release. I can then hold my arrow and focus right on the spot and I do this over and over. This reprograms my mind and allows me to execute accurate shots again.
it can be bad if you pull a bow that is pretty heavy to you, i think it would help more to do this with a lighter bow, 25 to 40 pounds, and just focus on that drill rather than using some of your thought process on pulling back a heavy bow, which can be pretty discomfortable. just my theory.
Thanks man, will give this a try (a proper try). Not in a great place at the moment and shooting was helping, target panic taking away something good is the last thing I need.
going tot try this this week see if I'm better at the open this coming weekend, got it bad at the mo9ment arrows all over the place, will get back to you
there are many types of Target panic. My friend had the kind you're talking about and it got to where he was 6 inches in front of his face when it was letting go. I have another friend that can pull back and anchor and hold all day but when they try to release they jump and push and flinch and it's driving him crazy. it happens about half to three-quarters of the time for him this way. Sometimes he does it right and it's right there in the middle, and he looks at me and says why can't I do that normally anymore?
Wow I shoot compound and I'm really struggling I shoot tournaments and my scores are suffering going to give this s go because I feel like throwing my bow in the woods and leaving it there thanks from the uk
Hi Robert. I know your pain all too well. I used to shoot compound competitively and would have spurts of severe TP, to the point of wanting to quit. Do this drill for a few days, never taking a shot. Just pull back, place your pin inside the ring, and hold until you can't anymore - then just let down, and start over. As your TP gets less, put your finger on the trigger if using a trigger release, but don't shoot. Do that for a day or two. After a few days of doing this and never shooting, the TP will be gone for a while. Unfortunately, it'll come back, but just go back to this drill each time to eliminate it. Good luck my friend, and let me know if this helped. Cheers~
Hi, I think I'm also suffering from 'TP' as well. My condition is when releasing, my release finger would shake so much. I could score an average of 23 points with 3 arrows for 4 ends, in 5th end only able to get single digit points. It's like I can see my shot go haywire before I release. Will definitely give it a try. Tq so much.
Hi, I have discovered that my particular "brand" of target panic is quite different. When I shoot at my usual distance (which is about 10-12 meters, I'm still just an amateur), my target panic is so bad that I have almost no control of my shot at all, however when I shoot at a closer distance (say 5 meters), I experience no sensation of any target panic. Do have any advise on that? Is what I am experience simply a lack of confidence? If so, how would you deal with it? Thank you, your advice would be incredibly helpful.
Brain can think only about so many things at once. When you move to a longer distance, the "aiming" part overwrites your whole technique, as you get too focused on that. Im fighting the same thing at the moment, I am an olympic recurve shooter. Coach told me to take aim at the target, hold it, and dont shoot, so you gain confidence that you can point your sights at the target and STAY THERE without shooting.
Hey i am a big fan of you videos and i was wondering where you get all your stuff and i was wondering what bow you have and in one if your old videos called "Why Choose Traditional Archery?" i wanted to know what bow you have and where you get your quiver and arm band?
+Ramiz Mrkaljevic The bow in this video is a Great Northern Bushbow, and the bow in the "Why Choose Traditional Archery" video is a Bear Archery Kodiak. The backquiver and armguard are from hidehandler.com - all great products and would recommend.
I have target panic mostly only when I am on Tournaments or in a situation where i get nervous/anxious. When i am shooting alone on the range/3d course I don't feel it at all. How can I improve that? It is like I can not shoot even 50% of what i am capable of as soon as I am in a competition... its a bit frustrating to be fair, when you shoot 20% less points on the same course than you shot alone the day before, only because it was a competition...
Hy there Buddy , i am not sure if u have the same rules as we have in Germany but , u can pull the bow back 3 times before u must shoot , that´s what it is in Germany so next time u are in taht Situation , just pull back the bow , aim and go back down , try this in tournaments and i hope it will get better .
Great video, as always Joe. I never had TP but I guess it's because I'm not shooting as much... About that drill, do you think it can help even if I don't have TP? Say to improve form or concentration?
Dor - I do this exercise each day to warm up, preventing taking a "cold" shot and having a poor 1st shot of the day, but as far as improving form, probably not. I'd encourage you to do this a few times a day though, as it will prevent you from developing target panic.
S3 Archery Got it. Thanks Joe. As I said, I`m going on summer break in a few days and have a LOT more time to practice. I`ll keep in touch with you. Thanks a ton! Dor
Fred bear was a snap shooter I can guarantee it wasn't target panic ,watch his videos .Snap shooting is a useful tool .I use both anchor and snap shooting methods and I'm stacking my arrows in 8" groups at 30 yards .
I dont have a problem to get to my anchor but i cant stay in anchor, for lets say 2-3 second. I get to anchor, and wooosh... Its gone... I dont have control
My problem is a don't draw all the way I draw an half draw then let go can't stop it did wight training working out practiced drawing to anchor with no arrow I make it there but can't put in into action I shoot a recurve
this is scary and explains also why some people should not be allowed to drive. you have no control of your actions? really? your mind disengages from your actions so easily? yikes.
This is the best video on this subject I’ve have seen.
Hello Joe, Thanks for helping me realise what my problem is, your information has helped greatly to cure my target panic, with me it was brought on by poor clicker control. Cheers and stay
well.
I use rolled up carpet for a target...no bullseye, just a fictional animal torso. I "aim" at a section or a shade on the carpet roll as though its the animal torso. 24" wide and about 12' long rolls into a nice easy pull target. Tie it with 550 cord or use a spray adhesive to keep the carpet rolled.
When I first started bow hunting many years ago, I started with a compound. But I shot instinctively… Fingers, and no sights. During that time, I also bought a Martin Mamba recurve. I developed target panic in the worst way! It got so bad, that just like you described, I was releasing the arrow so early, it didn’t even feel like I was even at half draw! I tried so hard to overcome it, but to no avail. I was almost at the point where I was going to give up archery for good. Then somebody suggested that I go back to the compound, and use a MECHANICAL RELEASE. For me, that was like finding the holy grail!! I was able to draw to full anchor and hold it, because my finger was not on the trigger. My groups tightened back up and I was good to go. After a couple years have gone by, I switched back to trad, and all the target panic was gone.
Great video. Good lesson to have forever. I had this habit years back. Was lucky enough, and persevered through it. Found myself, taking to myself, while pulling my bow back. And got it. Very frustrating, without the instruction, I could have used back then. Would have saved a lot of hassle. I subcribed today. S3. Mighty fine. Keep em coming. And many thanks. TP
Joe, I just wanted to thank you and your brother for all the sharing you do. I've benefited from your videos and have found this one particularly useful. I have been shooting for less than four months and discovered my brain would not let me hold my anchor and that my draw length was shrinking. Your explanation of the technique you use to eliminate target panic is very clear and sensible. I am very grateful to you for helping me out of this pit. I was getting very frustrated and couldn't find a solution on my own. I just started using your method and have already begun to see results. My confidence has started to rise, as well. Thank you.
Stephen - appreciate letting me know the knowledge is helping in your archery journey! Makes me so happy to know I’m helping you! Cheers!
great, I have came to the same conclusion for about 15 years ago. Got rid of tp shooting a compound. Once I decided not to take the shot, I could aim all day longat the middle without a twich. This is a real game changer. Actually i think that it is a step most never learns, how to aim properly that is. As most people are impatient they just buy their bows and want to shoot like robin hood instantly. Later like 95% end up with tp, such as I did too. A nother thought I´d like to share is that tp is just part of the path of the archer, lern to concour it as others did before us becouse it happens to almoust everyone.
Hi. Thank you very much! I'am so glad to see this Video. Since 6 years i have TP and last year i don't want archery any more. But now after a week with your Training program it's works better and better. Thank you so much. Greets from Germany
+Matthias Schwanner I'm so happy that it is working for you, Matthias. So many archers have given archery up once developing TP, and it makes me so happy to hear this technique is helping you get back into archery! Cheers!
this has been driving me crazy for a long time. I grab a bow at home and can draw it back with no problem. I get to the range and boom.......target panic. Thanks I'm definitely going to try this.
How did this work for you l, Clark? Hope it helped bring some joy and consistency back to your shooting!
@@s3archery849 This worked out perfectly, I still do this now and will continue to do so. Thanks very much! It is greatly appreciated. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
@@clark32900 you as well! Merry Christmas and safe Holidays!
One thing that seems to be helping me with both compound and traditional shooting is getting to a good anchor point and then counting off two seconds before I release. Since all the form issues are covered, the only thing to do in those two seconds is concentrating on my aim point. If something doesn't feel right, I just let the bow down and start over.
Thanks for sharing. Really appreciate your knowledge on this issue.
I don't understand why they call this a compound technique when Howard Hill used it himself in the 30s and 40s
100% correct, John. I think it’s so prevalent in compound archery, it gets all the attention. Plus, when you get it in compound, it’s very obvious to watchers. In trad archery, unless you know the archer and their draw length, it’s hard to see it and know it except for the actual archer. Main thing is don’t allow it to take hold - be proactive in stomping it out the moment it becomes known. Cheers!
tried using that method of drawing without shooting, doing it a couple of times and then i shoot one. it does help me, but it is hard to do in a crowded enviroment such as my club has. it really helps to be as relaxed as possible for this method.
also helps to do it just a couple of times per minute and then take a rest, or else the muscles fatigue to much
Agree 100%. Once you fatigue, stop and rest. Fatigue is much to blame for "shooting short", so best to do this fresh. Glad you saw results so fast. I found I get better after doing this for about 20 times, with 5 second holds.
Great video! Thanks for the tip. I am developing a bit of snap shooting and every tip helps.
Great tip thanks so much!
What a great video, as a traditional archer I now know why I can shoot a swinging ball and have the same anchor point each time and am able to hold the shot for up to 5-10 seconds while I am aiming and passing the target before releasing and if I take my time I can hit 5 out of 8 arrows at 10 yards. When target shooting at the 20 yard range I have developed target panic. Many years ago I did not have it, now at 76 years I do? I will practice your theory as it sounds correct. Thanks so much
this does work, it really does,, its so difficult not to let go at 1st.. sometimes getting to full draw without letting go only once in three. at first I just used an open space, then introduced an empty backstop, then a small target. went to the 3D course and boom, after 2 targets it was back again. so now what I do when I get to the 3D course is go to the peg draw up an arrow and not shoot the 3D, just come down, carry on to the next target until i've done about 10 targets without letting go of a single arrow.. it works but you have to work too if you want to cure it.. of course worse for some than others.Thanks
You just made a lifelong fan outta me. I'm telling the truth.
I shoot using the gap method of aiming and my target panic causes me to lock up one foot low and 6 inches to the right. This exercise is exactly what I have to do also. I’ll draw telling myself I’m not going to release. I can then hold my arrow and focus right on the spot and I do this over and over. This reprograms my mind and allows me to execute accurate shots again.
it can be bad if you pull a bow that is pretty heavy to you, i think it would help more to do this with a lighter bow, 25 to 40 pounds, and just focus on that drill rather than using some of your thought process on pulling back a heavy bow, which can be pretty discomfortable. just my theory.
*uncomfortable
Thanks man, will give this a try (a proper try). Not in a great place at the moment and shooting was helping, target panic taking away something good is the last thing I need.
going tot try this this week see if I'm better at the open this coming weekend, got it bad at the mo9ment arrows all over the place, will get back to you
there are many types of Target panic. My friend had the kind you're talking about and it got to where he was 6 inches in front of his face when it was letting go. I have another friend that can pull back and anchor and hold all day but when they try to release they jump and push and flinch and it's driving him crazy. it happens about half to three-quarters of the time for him this way. Sometimes he does it right and it's right there in the middle, and he looks at me and says why can't I do that normally anymore?
Thank you. Great help!
Wow I shoot compound and I'm really struggling I shoot tournaments and my scores are suffering going to give this s go because I feel like throwing my bow in the woods and leaving it there thanks from the uk
Hi Robert. I know your pain all too well. I used to shoot compound competitively and would have spurts of severe TP, to the point of wanting to quit. Do this drill for a few days, never taking a shot. Just pull back, place your pin inside the ring, and hold until you can't anymore - then just let down, and start over. As your TP gets less, put your finger on the trigger if using a trigger release, but don't shoot. Do that for a day or two. After a few days of doing this and never shooting, the TP will be gone for a while. Unfortunately, it'll come back, but just go back to this drill each time to eliminate it.
Good luck my friend, and let me know if this helped. Cheers~
+S3 Archery I hope it works il give it my all and thanks for the advice
Hi, I think I'm also suffering from 'TP' as well. My condition is when releasing, my release finger would shake so much. I could score an average of 23 points with 3 arrows for 4 ends, in 5th end only able to get single digit points. It's like I can see my shot go haywire before I release. Will definitely give it a try. Tq so much.
Hi, I have discovered that my particular "brand" of target panic is quite different.
When I shoot at my usual distance (which is about 10-12 meters, I'm still just an amateur), my target panic is so bad that I have almost no control of my shot at all, however when I shoot at a closer distance (say 5 meters), I experience no sensation of any target panic.
Do have any advise on that? Is what I am experience simply a lack of confidence?
If so, how would you deal with it?
Thank you, your advice would be incredibly helpful.
Brain can think only about so many things at once. When you move to a longer distance, the "aiming" part overwrites your whole technique, as you get too focused on that. Im fighting the same thing at the moment, I am an olympic recurve shooter. Coach told me to take aim at the target, hold it, and dont shoot, so you gain confidence that you can point your sights at the target and STAY THERE without shooting.
Hey i am a big fan of you videos and i was wondering where you get all your stuff and i was wondering what bow you have and in one if your old videos called "Why Choose Traditional Archery?" i wanted to know what bow you have and where you get your quiver and arm band?
+Ramiz Mrkaljevic The bow in this video is a Great Northern Bushbow, and the bow in the "Why Choose Traditional Archery" video is a Bear Archery Kodiak. The backquiver and armguard are from hidehandler.com - all great products and would recommend.
I have target panic mostly only when I am on Tournaments or in a situation where i get nervous/anxious. When i am shooting alone on the range/3d course I don't feel it at all. How can I improve that? It is like I can not shoot even 50% of what i am capable of as soon as I am in a competition... its a bit frustrating to be fair, when you shoot 20% less points on the same course than you shot alone the day before, only because it was a competition...
Hy there Buddy , i am not sure if u have the same rules as we have in Germany but , u can pull the bow back 3 times before u must shoot , that´s what it is in Germany so next time u are in taht Situation , just pull back the bow , aim and go back down , try this in tournaments and i hope it will get better .
Great video, as always Joe.
I never had TP but I guess it's because I'm not shooting as much...
About that drill, do you think it can help even if I don't have TP? Say to improve form or concentration?
Dor - I do this exercise each day to warm up, preventing taking a "cold" shot and having a poor 1st shot of the day, but as far as improving form, probably not. I'd encourage you to do this a few times a day though, as it will prevent you from developing target panic.
S3 Archery Got it. Thanks Joe.
As I said, I`m going on summer break in a few days and have a LOT more time to practice. I`ll keep in touch with you.
Thanks a ton!
Dor
Fred bear was a snap shooter I can guarantee it wasn't target panic ,watch his videos .Snap shooting is a useful tool .I use both anchor and snap shooting methods and I'm stacking my arrows in 8" groups at 30 yards .
Fred Bear struggled with target panic as well, so sorry but your wrong.
I dont have a problem to get to my anchor but i cant stay in anchor, for lets say 2-3 second.
I get to anchor, and wooosh... Its gone... I dont have control
My problem is a don't draw all the way I draw an half draw then let go can't stop it did wight training working out practiced drawing to anchor with no arrow I make it there but can't put in into action I shoot a recurve
Any shot trad or compound if shot is not prepared you let down!
Snap shooting is not target panic. Snap shooting is just not holding at anchor for a length of time.
I am really bad ☹️
this is scary and explains also why some people should not be allowed to drive. you have no control of your actions? really? your mind disengages from your actions so easily? yikes.
Did you mention Ph.D Jay Kidwell? No? But he is the one who came up with an idea, that TP is related to conditioning, as well as with the cure.