To be clear about having a target when bare baling if you have target panic. TP is an aiming issue (reflex issue) and you can not cure it by training in a "not aiming" exercise ( which is what bare baling is ). You have to address it in an aiming exercise.
Thanks for this Chris; I have been struggling with this by myself for the last 12 months, and have been doing some of what you have suggested somewhat instinctively. Slowing down that part of the aim and release has been the key - instead of blindly coming somewhere near my face and releasing, OR doing a great job with form to anchor and then blindly releasing because I couldn’t make myself aim in the right place! So yes, a mix of both types of TP. I really like your strategy of using the target faces up higher for less anxious shots, and then adding the more anxious shot below it, as this is exactly what happens as the range increases - more anxiety! Great video, really appreciated your instruction!
thnx chris... I'd put youd advise in practice with my son and after couple of years with panic he is shooting perfectly just now, the most important as you recomend is never shoot without target face, thet is just the point plus shooting every day with different excersices
Oh thank you so much everyone is talking about drawing the bow but can't aim but that's not the case for me. I was looking for this. I can't even get it close to my face. First it happened as I was shooting so fast without being able to control my shoots. I didn't do it on purpose. I just couldn't hold it. It was something psychological. It wasn't so bad at first but it got worse. I couldn't even look at the aiming thing ( circle I don't know what it is called). And then it got worse now I can't even draw it. It goes out before I stabilize it. By the way I use olympic bows not compound ones. I get so scared when I'm shooting but I don't even know what I am scared of. And the more I can't shoot properly and these problems keep happening I get stressed. And that makes it worse. When I am stressed it is worse I don't know what to do
Great video !! I’ve fought tp for 16 years and given up several times. Always come back tho. Only thing that helped me was letting down. I went 3 months and never fired an arrow. I’m still not over it but way better than I used to be.
...I just started shooting archery again this year after a 48 year hiatus. I never experienced TP in my youth, but I have an acute case now. Occasionally at full draw and anchor I can feel it coming on. I try to get my shot off and wind up physically folding and my shot alway takes off to the right hitting the target stop or the tree behind it. The other day one managed to hit the ground. Opinions and cures on this phenomenon are varied and conflicting. Being a student of 'Taiji Quan for 12 years, I will try applying meditation practice with some of your methods for finding a cure. Thanks for the informative video...
Man this video was really helpful... I can come to full draw.. I just have a hard time trying to aim down my arrow. I practice no fire drill a few yards away from target while aiming. And I am fine. But if I step back to ten yards I don't have control over my shot... So I think I need to start over at a few yards away and take a few of your steps.. I didn't use to have this problem.
ive been around and dealt with target panic forever..every archer absolutely will get it depending on how many arrows it takes for that individual but you will get sum form of it...the main objective is you MUST BE ABLE to seperate aiming from shooting! thats all target panic is but it is almost impossible to cure..it will take many many many hours of work to control it..i dont think u ever beat it completely..i like to say you can have it go into remission..a clicker is a huge help for recireve shooters and compound shooters need to have a resistance activated release or a simple rotating type release that fires by hand rotation..once you get used to the bow going by surprise you will understand what a proper shot should feel like..just like squeezing the trigger on a gun and having the shot surprise you and not timing it...i have shot a back tension activated release for years and its all i hunt with as well..why wouldnt i? makes no sense to just use those type release for target shooting..its a great feeling when having the confidence of knowing you can kill anything that comes in range instead of hoping...a index finger activated release is a total form destroyer...a thumb is much better or a pinky even better...
i have cured it completely in archers. One that i cured, is currently a resident athlete at the USA Olympic training center. Training for the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. That archer has no residual effects from target panic, It is gone completely and is not in remission.
its always in remission once you have it.....you can retrain your brain to execute and get your thought process back to where it should be but most people wont go thru the time and dedication it takes to do that..everyone is different and results of the individual will greatly differ from one archer to another..
Yep, I'm type 2. Can smash nocks at 70m if I'm not trying, but make it a competition and all my arrows get shot through the clicker. Common problem too. Fatigue plays a part as well.
Great video but it only touched on my problem in passing. I can accomplish all the portions of the shot cycle quite will accept for one thing. When I come to full draw and anchor I am able to aim but cannot get through the clicker. I can stand there perfectly comfortable but frozen. No push, no pull and no Push/pull no matter what I do. Very frustrating standing there telling yourself what to do and nothing happens.
this a lot of times is a form alignment issue that becomes target panic. can message me on facebook? On my youtube channel page, in the top right hand corner is a link to my facebook.
I don't have facebook but I have been working on alignment for the last couple of days and I am seeing a marked improvement in my ability to rotate my elbow and get the shot off. I will continue to work on this while aiming at a target at close range. My follow through has also improved greatly when I get the shot off correctly. Thank you for the advice allowing me to focus on my correct problem, really appreciate it. Larry Rondo
Ha. I always flinched right after the clicker goes off resulting in me having to get my sights back on target, delaying my release post click. I always though it was an issue related to fine muscle control. I began as an archer who snap shoots just as the target got into my sights but that has been fixed by teaching myself to hold back. I've always been led to believe that it is always best that we should hold anchor in the shortest amount of time possible.
You want to hold the anchor long enough to be very still, and keep the aim on the center of the target very still, and not move when coming through the clicker. Almost no one can do that in one or two seconds. It takes several seconds. The fastest world class Olympic archers shoot their sequence in about 7 seconds. The rest take 9-10 seconds from draw to release. Anything shorter than 7 seconds is not enough time to be still, aim and control coming through the clicker. A fast shot in the wind is still about 7-8 seconds.
I see. That makes sense. If its any help, one of the things that improved my confidence is doing barebow shooting at a lower poundage than my original setup for 2-3 weeks. Any tips on how to get my sights on the target more efficiently, as to conserve stamina? Is pre-aiming really a necessity? Some coaches say that pre-aiming does not contribute to the final sight picture. some archers several years my senior swear that they do.
its not so much pre aiming, but starting the setup draw a little above the center of the target, so once you are anchored, you are aiming in the middle and have to move less to put sight on the 10 ring. That helps give the front arm the correct arm angle for the distance as well.
My problem seems to be a little bit different. During practice, I can slow everything down, let the pin float and slowly execute the shot. Shot after shot i can do the same thing. It's when I start scoring that it seems to get out of control. Last year during the league, I thought I had it under control, but in the final week it came roaring back and I could barely finish my final game. Any advice for that?
yes. Score every arrow. every round. no exceptions. In practice and in the league. score it. write it down. get the totals. Score your first arrow, all practice until your last arrow. keep a note book and list the score for each end. Dont just shoot for groups or for form. Score everything. make it part of your process. When shooting dont focus on THE score, or the Yellow. Focus on the form when shooting, but make sure you focus on scoring every arrow each end.
Every thing is well but forgot to mention the most important part the Weight of the bow No one that suffers will hold it because the shoes that brings . . . . .
the worst thing to do is ever shoot at a target..once you put a bullseye type target up to shoot at you are now competing and wasting time..all a target does is tell u where your arrow hit...blank bail is money in the bank..close range at first and gradually further and further out with no bullseye target up..
that would be good advice, if you never shot a tournament with a target, or never shot at a target such as hunting etc. But if you ARE going to shoot a tournament, then you must practice with a target. Same for hunting. And i have to disagree, shooting and competing are not a waste of time. Blank baling works if you do not have target panic.
To be clear about having a target when bare baling if you have target panic. TP is an aiming issue (reflex issue) and you can not cure it by training in a "not aiming" exercise ( which is what bare baling is ). You have to address it in an aiming exercise.
Thanks for this Chris; I have been struggling with this by myself for the last 12 months, and have been doing some of what you have suggested somewhat instinctively. Slowing down that part of the aim and release has been the key - instead of blindly coming somewhere near my face and releasing, OR doing a great job with form to anchor and then blindly releasing because I couldn’t make myself aim in the right place! So yes, a mix of both types of TP. I really like your strategy of using the target faces up higher for less anxious shots, and then adding the more anxious shot below it, as this is exactly what happens as the range increases - more anxiety! Great video, really appreciated your instruction!
thnx chris... I'd put youd advise in practice with my son and after couple of years with panic he is shooting perfectly just now, the most important as you recomend is never shoot without target face, thet is just the point plus shooting every day with different excersices
Oh thank you so much everyone is talking about drawing the bow but can't aim but that's not the case for me. I was looking for this. I can't even get it close to my face. First it happened as I was shooting so fast without being able to control my shoots. I didn't do it on purpose. I just couldn't hold it. It was something psychological. It wasn't so bad at first but it got worse. I couldn't even look at the aiming thing ( circle I don't know what it is called). And then it got worse now I can't even draw it. It goes out before I stabilize it. By the way I use olympic bows not compound ones. I get so scared when I'm shooting but I don't even know what I am scared of. And the more I can't shoot properly and these problems keep happening I get stressed. And that makes it worse. When I am stressed it is worse I don't know what to do
Great video !! I’ve fought tp for 16 years and given up several times. Always come back tho. Only thing that helped me was letting down. I went 3 months and never fired an arrow. I’m still not over it but way better than I used to be.
...I just started shooting archery again this year after a 48 year hiatus. I never experienced TP in my youth, but I have an acute case now. Occasionally at full draw and anchor I can feel it coming on. I try to get my shot off and wind up physically folding and my shot alway takes off to the right hitting the target stop or the tree behind it. The other day one managed to hit the ground. Opinions and cures on this phenomenon are varied and conflicting. Being a student of 'Taiji Quan for 12 years, I will try applying meditation practice with some of your methods for finding a cure. Thanks for the informative video...
Man this video was really helpful... I can come to full draw.. I just have a hard time trying to aim down my arrow. I practice no fire drill a few yards away from target while aiming. And I am fine. But if I step back to ten yards I don't have control over my shot... So I think I need to start over at a few yards away and take a few of your steps.. I didn't use to have this problem.
ive been around and dealt with target panic forever..every archer absolutely will get it depending on how many arrows it takes for that individual but you will get sum form of it...the main objective is you MUST BE ABLE to seperate aiming from shooting! thats all target panic is but it is almost impossible to cure..it will take many many many hours of work to control it..i dont think u ever beat it completely..i like to say you can have it go into remission..a clicker is a huge help for recireve shooters and compound shooters need to have a resistance activated release or a simple rotating type release that fires by hand rotation..once you get used to the bow going by surprise you will understand what a proper shot should feel like..just like squeezing the trigger on a gun and having the shot surprise you and not timing it...i have shot a back tension activated release for years and its all i hunt with as well..why wouldnt i? makes no sense to just use those type release for target shooting..its a great feeling when having the confidence of knowing you can kill anything that comes in range instead of hoping...a index finger activated release is a total form destroyer...a thumb is much better or a pinky even better...
i have cured it completely in archers. One that i cured, is currently a resident athlete at the USA Olympic training center. Training for the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. That archer has no residual effects from target panic, It is gone completely and is not in remission.
its always in remission once you have it.....you can retrain your brain to execute and get your thought process back to where it should be but most people wont go thru the time and dedication it takes to do that..everyone is different and results of the individual will greatly differ from one archer to another..
@@termite122 then we have to disagree. Target panic is a symptom of an issue. nothing more. A reflex that can be trained away.
Thanks for sharing Chris!
thanks.
Yep, I'm type 2. Can smash nocks at 70m if I'm not trying, but make it a competition and all my arrows get shot through the clicker. Common problem too. Fatigue plays a part as well.
Mickleblade getting cold feet during competitions is typical in sports. Especially in mentally inclined sports like archery
Great video but it only touched on my problem in passing. I can accomplish all the portions of the shot cycle quite will accept for one thing. When I come to full draw and anchor I am able to aim but cannot get through the clicker. I can stand there perfectly comfortable but frozen. No push, no pull and no Push/pull no matter what I do. Very frustrating standing there telling yourself what to do and nothing happens.
this a lot of times is a form alignment issue that becomes target panic. can message me on facebook? On my youtube channel page, in the top right hand corner is a link to my facebook.
I don't have facebook but I have been working on alignment for the last couple of days and I am seeing a marked improvement in my ability to rotate my elbow and get the shot off.
I will continue to work on this while aiming at a target at close range. My follow through has also improved greatly when I get the shot off correctly.
Thank you for the advice allowing me to focus on my correct problem, really appreciate it.
Larry Rondo
@@itoxo1 You shouldnt be rotating your elbow. I sent you a friend request on Facebook and answered your message to me.
Ha. I always flinched right after the clicker goes off resulting in me having to get my sights back on target, delaying my release post click. I always though it was an issue related to fine muscle control. I began as an archer who snap shoots just as the target got into my sights but that has been fixed by teaching myself to hold back.
I've always been led to believe that it is always best that we should hold anchor in the shortest amount of time possible.
You want to hold the anchor long enough to be very still, and keep the aim on the center of the target very still, and not move when coming through the clicker. Almost no one can do that in one or two seconds. It takes several seconds. The fastest world class Olympic archers shoot their sequence in about 7 seconds. The rest take 9-10 seconds from draw to release. Anything shorter than 7 seconds is not enough time to be still, aim and control coming through the clicker. A fast shot in the wind is still about 7-8 seconds.
I see. That makes sense.
If its any help, one of the things that improved my confidence is doing barebow shooting at a lower poundage than my original setup for 2-3 weeks.
Any tips on how to get my sights on the target more efficiently, as to conserve stamina? Is pre-aiming really a necessity? Some coaches say that pre-aiming does not contribute to the final sight picture. some archers several years my senior swear that they do.
its not so much pre aiming, but starting the setup draw a little above the center of the target, so once you are anchored, you are aiming in the middle and have to move less to put sight on the 10 ring. That helps give the front arm the correct arm angle for the distance as well.
My problem seems to be a little bit different. During practice, I can slow everything down, let the pin float and slowly execute the shot. Shot after shot i can do the same thing. It's when I start scoring that it seems to get out of control. Last year during the league, I thought I had it under control, but in the final week it came roaring back and I could barely finish my final game. Any advice for that?
yes. Score every arrow. every round. no exceptions. In practice and in the league. score it. write it down. get the totals. Score your first arrow, all practice until your last arrow. keep a note book and list the score for each end. Dont just shoot for groups or for form. Score everything. make it part of your process. When shooting dont focus on THE score, or the Yellow. Focus on the form when shooting, but make sure you focus on scoring every arrow each end.
Every thing is well but forgot to mention the most important part the Weight of the bow No one that suffers will hold it because the shoes that brings . . . . .
I have target panic i think because I was have a short arrows than i get tooler than before i will work to fixit and thanks for video
the worst thing to do is ever shoot at a target..once you put a bullseye type target up to shoot at you are now competing and wasting time..all a target does is tell u where your arrow hit...blank bail is money in the bank..close range at first and gradually further and further out with no bullseye target up..
that would be good advice, if you never shot a tournament with a target, or never shot at a target such as hunting etc. But if you ARE going to shoot a tournament, then you must practice with a target. Same for hunting. And i have to disagree, shooting and competing are not a waste of time. Blank baling works if you do not have target panic.