Because of the way I've been training for a year or more, which is just target practice I also decided to experiment some weeks ago. I decided to swap my instinctive style of shooting to a mix of olympic style shot cycle with the under the chin anchor with the gap shooting 90/10 you are mentioning here. At first it was kinda frustrating but after a while it became really, really spot on accurate and fun too. So conclusion to that- definately agree with trying new things.
I really enjoy your teaching style. You have excellent communication skills. And being an atheist I appreciate you dont mix to much proselytizing in with your tutorials ; )
When I first started picking up a trad bow a few months ago, I instinctively aim using the gap method, even though I don't know the name of the method yet and I've never watched any videos about aiming because, it's natural to compensate the arrow trajectory and how it's gonna land onto the target, well at least it's the most logical thing for me to do.
Thank you so much for this fabulous explanation! I can't wait to try this out. I'm self taught as there are zero instructors where I live and every tip I can get to help my accuracy is wonderful. I use a recurve and shoot traditional so this should help me. :)
awsome additional video to jimmies! couldnt get myself to go away from instinctive... purist... but i got to the point where i am fed up with the inconsistency and Im sold on finding my own compromise! thank you! cheers
+Woodsmans Finest Instinctive is 100% form. You'll actually get better results if done right. There are some additional methods to fine tune instinctive, but it all depends on your form and anchor points. Example, if your anchor sets your nock just below your eye, use the point as a horizontal alignment (Do not look directly at the point, use peripheral vision), and instinctively judge your vertical. This would allow you to be faster draw, faster shoot and cleaner shots This is my method.
Great video Joe, I'm looking at some of your past posts and came across this one. I'm entered in a Spring tournament and will be shooting 40/50/60 yards and going to give this a try, thanks. God Bless.
Great video. I'm going to try to use gap and string walking together. If I'm shooting at a target at 18 yards. I'm going to string walk to 20 and then aim a little low to hit at 18 yards. This way my gaps are smaller.
good job keep up the good work. I use the same kinda style as you were I focus on my target like I am instinctive shooting but I also look at the tip of my arrow. good luck hunting.
Nice video Joe!! Thank you to share it! God bless you!!!
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I hear ya! However, I use multiple techniques. For close as 15meters/20 yards or closer, I shoot split-finger full instinctive. Anything farther than that, I change for the tree under. Also, I have an anchor point for target shooting out to 90meters/98yards and a whole different one for target shooting out to 180 meters. I shoot a Hungarian war bow and practice by the standards of Hungarian and Turkish and Mongolian combat archery. As we mainly compete with each other. Everything we do today is built upon historical methods. We shoot a man-size target on 90 meters or the target is a flag out to 180meters/196 yards. The goal is to kill the man who carries that flag or the high ranking officer standing right next to him. Or we shoot a square meter/yard zone with an egg in the middle, or an apple, or a red onion designated by small flags. It is not so hard or difficult as it may sound like for the first time. When I tried first on 207 yards I landed one of my arrows in one and a quarter yards from the flag and the other 2 inside a two yards circle. (best 3 from 12 shot in total). It is an average combat distance for the longbow as well. You need a bow of at least 50# and a place for practice.
That you very much! I’ve watched allot of videos trying to learn this and everyone else doesn’t explain worth shit. It’s common sense now that I hear you say it. But when you are missing above the bag it’s frustrating . But now I’m shooting 3 inch groups
Wish I saw this a few days ago. First arrow, 10 yards, aimed dead center, never saw the arrow again. $17.00 gone, second arrow, aimed in the dirt six inches in front of the target, hit pretty close to center. Adjusted from there,
The distance I anchor on the side of my chin up to my eye is also a gap reference point .I sight off the bow limb the same distance up from the arrow rest and line the bow string up with the arrow , the way you aim a compound bow with sight pins . This works well for me on a 20 to 40 yard shot , there is not much fall in the arch of the arrow .I aim with one eye I am trying to master both eyes open with not much success
i use a mix of "instinctive" and the gap method. i know at around 25 yards, i can aim 1 to 1 with my arrow point, and then i just adjust according to distance. At close range i use 90% instinctive, and from 20-25 yards and up, i use 90% gap. works perfect for me.
Talking to Edward Teach, he's using the tip of his arrow as his sight, depending on your anchor point you put the arrow tip on the bulls at 10 yds its going to hit high. Same as iron sights on a 22 rifle sighted in at 50 yds its going to hit high at 10 yds. Sighted in at 10yds going to hit low at 50 yds. On an arrow at ten yards gotta put the tip low to hit bullseye.
+Lane vaden Thank you so much! I am very grateful for your feedback and viewership. I would love to know what you think of your Grizzly... I can't wait to own another one. God Bless you!
I think that when shooting instinctively you use the gap method unawared. This said it might be better to stay unaware because when focusing on the gap method you loose focus of the actual target. This is what I experienced when trying out the gap method shooting targets.
i wonder when i switch from practicing ; with my recurve bow ; back to my compound bow if i am hurting my form ; i am bit of novice ; or will diligent practice with both styles get me there ?
+michael bailey thanks for asking. Yes, I think you can certainly, through practice and discipline, maintain both forms. I think it will very important that you develop a detailed shot sequence for both forms though. One of the first trad archery videos I produced was on this topic; check it out through the link below. The shot sequence will help remind you of the differences between the two and help you stay disciplined. ua-cam.com/video/bct7i0cltRs/v-deo.html
I just got my first recurve this past Christmas and I got some cheap arrows that absolutely did not last long. Could you recommend some good arrows that I could use for Target and hunting?
Love your video's I just bought a Samick Sage a week ago it's a 50# and I love it, I look forward to many more shots with it. I am still trying to find my style, but I was curious more about arrows right now. Do you have any advice on cheap, good arrows with feather guides on it?
WooglesOutdoors Thank you for the feedback! I would highly recommend that you call 3 Rivers Archery, they can walk you through arrow selection very well. 1-866-732-8783 ... I always call them when I have a question. I'm glad your tossing arrows down range... that is a great thing! Try all the styles... then, use the one that fits you best.
Hello sir actually I do something different. Is the best of both worlds. I do a fixed crawl and then I love my gaps to be much tighter. Gaps are too large otherwise. Don't you think? Don't you think that a fixed crawl combined with a little bit gapping but very narrow gap with the Point aim is much closer is much better. ? thank u ? what do u think
9:40 Ranging just comes down to ranging your shooting lanes before and during your hunt, bushes, small trees etc can all be range land marks. Personally I don't believe someone should shoot further than 20 maaaybe 25 yards with a recurve anyways. Even on heavier draw weights and the best broadheads it'll have trouble passing through on a perfect broadside shot on a deer at 25 yards.
you are great guy I shoot compound with sights and have gotten success. got a cross now from injury from auto accident. Not so hot with it it's forward heavy awkward to hold still with out some type of rest. I feel the spirit to use long bow and want accuracy top priority. need good equimnet and arrows. I'm worried about draw weight limites from injury. disabled not lot of extra .money even used bow passed on. The doctors think the practice could help me keep disability into action. any suggestions. I'm idolize Bryon Ferguson. a gentle soul good man some day I want to meat him. send info on a way to get hand me downs, scratches don't matter just work and have soul to help with this process.. I'm wondering about sling shot performance is simular with (repeatable) sequences and maybe gap The same processes? what do you think??
Mike March With the "gap method" you would move the tip of the arrow. With the "string walking method" you would move your finger position on the string and not the tip of the arrow. Another option would be "face walking" where you would anchor at different placed on your face to correlate with the gaps at various distances. I've never tried this last method but, I have heard of other guys doing it. I may try it in the future and make a video on it.
Before it comes to drawing lines on my riser, I'll just use a sight. I'm trying the instinctive route first. I used to shoot instinctive extremely well, but at that time, I shot many rounds of arrows almost every single day. I don't know if I can commit that much time to it now. Not to mention that my eye sight is nowhere near what it used to be. I don't mind using a sight if instinctive doesn't work out for me. I first told myself that I would avoid the sight or not shoot recurve at all. But watching these videos on shooting the gap has actually made me change my mind about shooting a sight. The gap method seems like shooting without a sight just for the sake of shooting without a sight......when you are actually "sighting" in the bow with your gaps. It seems like people are trying to "fake" instinctive for the sake of being able to shoot the instinctive class tournaments. Before I go that route, I'll just used a sight. I know some with big egos will take offense to that. But deal with it. I really don't care how people shoot and not judging anyone. Thanks for posting. I watched J.B.'s video on gap shooting already. He is an awesome shot using that method. Thanks for the prayers! I need it! :P
+Joe Blake Good feedback Joe, I appreciate what you are saying here. I think there is too much "pressure" to shoot this way or that. Rather, I feel, that shooters should try a variety of methods and use the one they are most comfortable with. I also think that some methods are more easily adopted by some shooters and not as much as others. We are not all exactly the same. At the end of the day, our goal is to hit an intended point... do what works for you. I am shooting exclusively instinctive right now... no hash marks... because of the benefits it brings for hunting. However, when I do shoot gap, I like the hash marks over a sight because it is less weight, and one less thing that can get broken. Also, it doesn't cost much to put a piece of tape on the belly of my bow and put some hash marks on it. What does a sight cost? Plus, I like the way the hash marks work in my peripheral vision... it seems to work great for me. Keeping you and your in my prayers this thanksgiving! Shoot straight!
I loved your video, and particularly the comments about working on your form. I love instinctive, but have always been curious to try gap shooting. What I wonder though is how it works with hunting. I mean, when shooting instinctive, does not really matter if I'm using broadheads of field points. If I were to use the tip of the arrow as reference though, the broadheads have different length than the points, so I guess my reference would change? Did you find much difference? May your aim be true ;)
Hi Joe, I somehow understood the idea of gap shooting and will try it myself next time. There is only some argument with your explanation. The procedure of the gap method has to do with optics and less with the physical flight of the arrow. For me this explanation seems to be a little misleading. bst rgds from Hamburg / Germany
It takes a lot of arrows to fine tune any sighting system. Just a different take. Gap vs String Walking. Both you need to be a pretty good judgement of distance outside of a range target at defined distances. In the Gap method not only do you have to judge the distance, but also at various distances you have to be able to judge your gap distance. Like for example at 20 yards your gap needs to be lets say 9 inches. How do you accurately judge 9 inches by looking what 9 inches on your target. which could be any shape depending what your trying to hit. Two variables. String Walking you still need to be able to judge distance but for example at 20 yards put the point of your arrow exactly on target and use whatever your using for instances at 20 yards exactly 7 stitches in your tab, a card with your calibration, one guy his system was at 20 yards it was exactly three of his fingers. So using the gap you have two variables String walking only one. One is no better than the other depending on what you like and if it gets you the results you like. One you have less guess work.
I shoot instinctively and always have. My friend told me that no one shoots truly instinctive! He said whether you know it or not you are a gap shooting by using the point of your arrow. So my buddy let me shoot his 31.5 inch arrow and my 34 in arrow at the same Target instinctively. Both arrows landed beside of each other in the spot. I said now if I was looking at the point of my arrow like gap Shooters do, The full length arrows and the shorter arrows, the shorter would have hit higher correct? He said, you allowed for it subconsciously.... Whatever I said, I was just staring at the bullseye like I always do. I have a 32 inch draw so his Arrow was in the middle of my Arrow shelf of my black widow. I know this is an old video, I just wanted to argue the point about instinctive shooting.
The arrow does not "climb". The only reason why the arrow will shoot above the target at a close distance such as 10 yards and in is due to you aiming down at the target at a sharp angle. If you shoot from your knees point blank and aim directly at the target 10 yards and in you will hit the target dead center. The only time trajectory comes into play is when you are far away from your target and need to adjust for drop in which case you aim above the target and let the arrow drop. It's the same thing with shooting a gun.
+sovernsectwarren shooting over the target at 10 yards was probably a bit exaggerated, but I guess gravity doesn't exist until after the arrow makes it 10 yards for you? For everyone else the effects of gravity increases exponentially over time, but it exists from the instant we release our arrows.
+Jake Holt Right, I never disagreed with that. The maker of this video is trying to say that the arrow climbs up sort of like a golf ball when struck. This is not the case with shooting an arrow though. The arrow can only can down, it never goes up unless you aim up.
Do people EVER read these posts entirely before responding..... you are making his point FOR him while thinking you are disagreeing..... He ( and others) correctly point out that every weapon has SOME distance at which it will have a FLAT trajectory.....10 yards with a 50 lb bow will result in a flat trajectory...... The producer of this video ( and others recommending gap shooting) appear to believe that any arrow will begin flight by climbing first..... Havent noticed this with bullets,baseballs batteries OR arrows........BUT.... Gap shooting certainly has a place once you are past 30 yards....... I can't believe that there is this much disagreement over something that is painfully easy to prove....
Joe, bro I'm an atheist, and I love your bow teachings, I like the bible info too! Have said many times I have zero issues with any bible history, I appreciate the history, and archaeology of it all, don't understand the political atheists that whine about everything lol, my big issue was always resurrections, just FYI, however thanks for the instruction on the stop gap, you teach well my friend, easy to,follow, easy to understand! Ty cheers!
I'm new to archery, so bear with me. It seems that it makes no sense to talk about the arc of the arrow. Relative to the bow, the arrow is falling from the instant it's released. Unless it's rocket powered. There are two things for which the archer must compensate. One, the parallax error resulting from the archer's eye being higher than the point of the arrow. Two, the fall of the arrow. Wouldn't it make more sense to explain the simple concept of parallax error instead of complicating the explanation with all that arc nonsense?
AT TEN YARDS??????? something may be wrong with your bows. ANY bow should have a flat trajectory at 10 yrds. unless you aim it UP at 10 yrds it should fly flat. that's what the term "point blank range" means. you ever heard it before? every projectile weapon has a "point blank" range. that is the range at which the target is close enough for the power of the projectile launching device to fire "flat on" at the target. no need to compensate in any appreciable way for trajectory arc. the more powerful the projectile weapon...the further out it has "point blank" firing capability. but unless you have a bow that is WWWAAAYYY under weight....10 yrds should be point blank. at 10-15 yards out with a 40lb recurve I put my arrow head "on target" EXACTLY like you are talkin about at around the 6:40 mark to get my trajectory dialed in...and I hit. at 10-15 yrds out my 40lb recurve is in "point blank range". I don't have to start compensating for drop until I get out to 20+ yrds. and even then, with some of my lighter weight arrows (or my heavier weight long bow) I can still pretty much shoot straight at between 18-25 yrds. I know I come off like a "know it all" asshat, and I am sorry for it. I am a very blunt person. I truly don't mean to be offensive just informative, but I do it in an incredibly overbearing way. I apologize for it...but I won't change from it LOL.
Joe is exactly right in the video. There is other videos that back everything he is saying. Jimmy Blackmon has a really good in depth video explaining the gaps and showing how to get the gaps. Everything in jimmys video goes along with joes video though. His info in this video is correct
Lane vaden dude I speak from personal eye ball witness of my own experiences with archery. there is NO HIEGHT GAIN to a shot at 10 yrds unless you aim up. or if you are nocked to low on the string causing "ramp" on the shelf. if anything you should have drop you know from that gravity stuff you always hear so much about. but at 10 yrds even DROP shouldn't be an issue unless you have a rubber band for a string. re-read my comment. i'm exactly right. I know what I see with my own EYES when i'm shooting. there is no RISE to my shots at 10 yrds. 10-15 yards should be point blank for ANY bow worth shooting with. you shouldn't need to compensate for drop until 20+ yrds with about 35-40lb draw 20-25 yrds with about 50-60lb draw. and you should NEVER have to compensate for upward arc in the shot unless YOU PUT IT THERE by nocking low or aiming up! whatever else he may be right about in the video as far as this "gap shooting" he's on about I don't know. I quit watching when he said that if shoot straight on at 10yrds you will hit HIGH!!! on the target. that was all I needed to know I didn't want to hear anything else he had to say.
+Edward Teach he's talking about aiming below the target not compensating for drop. The arrow travels on an arc so any distance before the peak of the arc you must aim below where you want to hit. I'm not gonna argue with you about it i only commented to let you know what he says is true and he can be back up by many credible sources
Lane vaden nope! he said specifically aim the arrow AT THE BULLSEYE and it will hit ABOVE the spot you aimed for at 10yrds. he said it. not me. he did. in that video right up there at about the 6:40 mark. go watch it. an arrow does not RISE when shot unless you aim up, or nock low to create "ramp" with your shelf. it. does. not. happen.
+Edward Teach please educate yourself on the flight of an arrow. If you aim at the bullseye the arrow will impact above it because it is rising. With the gap method any distance before the peak of the arc of the arrow you aim below where you want to hit to compensate for the rising of the arrow. It's a very simple concept that's been proven many many times by other people. Anyone that reads this will tell you I am right
You've a good voice, delivery, script, prescence, and camera work. However, your videos just rehash other archer's videos, and you add totally unecessary and unwanted religious references. So, try doing original material without scripture and your ratings will probably soar. I'd like to see that for you ; )
Cleanest clearest explanation I've heard. Thank you!
Will be giving this a try, very simple, very effective. Never thought of starting with the target in mind.
Explained well!!
Because of the way I've been training for a year or more, which is just target practice I also decided to experiment some weeks ago. I decided to swap my instinctive style of shooting to a mix of olympic style shot cycle with the under the chin anchor with the gap shooting 90/10 you are mentioning here. At first it was kinda frustrating but after a while it became really, really spot on accurate and fun too. So conclusion to that- definately agree with trying new things.
Ty!
Best gap video out there.
Trad archery equipment is basic and simple,and so is using it!
I really enjoy your teaching style. You have excellent communication skills. And being an atheist I appreciate you dont mix to much proselytizing in with your tutorials ; )
When I first started picking up a trad bow a few months ago, I instinctively aim using the gap method, even though I don't know the name of the method yet and I've never watched any videos about aiming because, it's natural to compensate the arrow trajectory and how it's gonna land onto the target, well at least it's the most logical thing for me to do.
You sir are a wonderful teacher
Thank you so much for this fabulous explanation! I can't wait to try this out. I'm self taught as there are zero instructors where I live and every tip I can get to help my accuracy is wonderful. I use a recurve and shoot traditional so this should help me. :)
+Soap Mage Awesome! I am glad to have helped out. God Bless You!
awsome additional video to jimmies! couldnt get myself to go away from instinctive... purist... but i got to the point where i am fed up with the inconsistency and Im sold on finding my own compromise! thank you! cheers
+Woodsmans Finest
Instinctive is 100% form. You'll actually get better results if done right. There are some additional methods to fine tune instinctive, but it all depends on your form and anchor points. Example, if your anchor sets your nock just below your eye, use the point as a horizontal alignment (Do not look directly at the point, use peripheral vision), and instinctively judge your vertical. This would allow you to be faster draw, faster shoot and cleaner shots This is my method.
Awsome... just what I was aiming for... pun 100% intended! Cheers
Great video Joe, nice teaching skills.
Great video Joe, I'm looking at some of your past posts and came across this one. I'm entered in a Spring tournament and will be shooting 40/50/60 yards and going to give this a try, thanks. God Bless.
Great video. I'm going to try to use gap and string walking together. If I'm shooting at a target at 18 yards. I'm going to string walk to 20 and then aim a little low to hit at 18 yards. This way my gaps are smaller.
good job keep up the good work. I use the same kinda style as you were I focus on my target like I am instinctive shooting but I also look at the tip of my arrow. good luck hunting.
Thank you very much for the explanation... i think the gap method is depend on draw weight... but for me it works everytime...
Hi Joe, thanks for breaking down gap shooting. It was very helpful.and presented in away that was clear and concise.
Rick Mansberger out
Thank you, this is the first time someone explained this that I understood
Nice video Joe!! Thank you to share it! God bless you!!!
I hear ya! However, I use multiple techniques. For close as 15meters/20 yards or closer, I shoot split-finger full instinctive. Anything farther than that, I change for the tree under. Also, I have an anchor point for target shooting out to 90meters/98yards and a whole different one for target shooting out to 180 meters. I shoot a Hungarian war bow and practice by the standards of Hungarian and Turkish and Mongolian combat archery. As we mainly compete with each other. Everything we do today is built upon historical methods. We shoot a man-size target on 90 meters or the target is a flag out to 180meters/196 yards. The goal is to kill the man who carries that flag or the high ranking officer standing right next to him. Or we shoot a square meter/yard zone with an egg in the middle, or an apple, or a red onion designated by small flags. It is not so hard or difficult as it may sound like for the first time. When I tried first on 207 yards I landed one of my arrows in one and a quarter yards from the flag and the other 2 inside a two yards circle. (best 3 from 12 shot in total). It is an average combat distance for the longbow as well. You need a bow of at least 50# and a place for practice.
That you very much! I’ve watched allot of videos trying to learn this and everyone else doesn’t explain worth shit.
It’s common sense now that I hear you say it. But when you are missing above the bag it’s frustrating . But now I’m shooting 3 inch groups
Thanks a lot! Happy Easter! God bless You! Greetings from Poland!
nice vid and positive perspective. Thanks for sharing
Wish I saw this a few days ago. First arrow, 10 yards, aimed dead center, never saw the arrow again. $17.00 gone, second arrow, aimed in the dirt six inches in front of the target, hit pretty close to center. Adjusted from there,
The distance I anchor on the side of my chin up to my eye is also a gap reference point .I sight off the bow limb the same distance up from the arrow rest and line the bow string up with the arrow , the way you aim a compound bow with sight pins . This works well for me on a 20 to 40 yard shot , there is not much fall in the arch of the arrow .I aim with one eye I am trying to master both eyes open with not much success
i use a mix of "instinctive" and the gap method. i know at around 25 yards, i can aim 1 to 1 with my arrow point, and then i just adjust according to distance. At close range i use 90% instinctive, and from 20-25 yards and up, i use 90% gap. works perfect for me.
Talking to Edward Teach, he's using the tip of his arrow as his sight, depending on your anchor point you put the arrow tip on the bulls at 10 yds its going to hit high. Same as iron sights on a 22 rifle sighted in at 50 yds its going to hit high at 10 yds. Sighted in at 10yds going to hit low at 50 yds. On an arrow at ten yards gotta put the tip low to hit bullseye.
GREAT EXPLANATION! Thank you!
Just wanted to say I love your videos joe! And btw I just order a bear grizzly as an upgrade from a sage. Can't wait to get it
+Lane vaden Thank you so much! I am very grateful for your feedback and viewership. I would love to know what you think of your Grizzly... I can't wait to own another one. God Bless you!
I think that when shooting instinctively you use the gap method unawared. This said it might be better to stay unaware because when focusing on the gap method you loose focus of the actual target. This is what I experienced when trying out the gap method shooting targets.
I completely agree with you
Do you have a clip that that shows the diagram you added to the belly of your bow and how you worked out the scale?
This was a very helpful and well explained video
Thanks Joe great info just getting into archery Garry -in IRELAND
How's the gap method effect you from the treestand vs the ground?
Practice. You will have to learn to adjust.
i wonder when i switch from practicing ; with my recurve bow ; back to my compound bow if i am hurting my form ; i am bit of novice ; or will diligent practice with both styles get me there ?
+michael bailey thanks for asking. Yes, I think you can certainly, through practice and discipline, maintain both forms. I think it will very important that you develop a detailed shot sequence for both forms though. One of the first trad archery videos I produced was on this topic; check it out through the link below.
The shot sequence will help remind you of the differences between the two and help you stay disciplined.
ua-cam.com/video/bct7i0cltRs/v-deo.html
I just got my first recurve this past Christmas and I got some cheap arrows that absolutely did not last long. Could you recommend some good arrows that I could use for Target and hunting?
how did you draw those lines on the belly. how did you come up with those?
Gonna try this method. Thanks.
Does the height of your target matter? I'm assuming it has to be the same height at every distance? but does the initial height matter?
thanks again for another great vid, sir.
Oh the southern states will be hitting that subscribe button in no time now that we're aware you love Jesus.
Something wrong with that?
I love Jesus too!!!
Love your video's I just bought a Samick Sage a week ago it's a 50# and I love it, I look forward to many more shots with it. I am still trying to find my style, but I was curious more about arrows right now. Do you have any advice on cheap, good arrows with feather guides on it?
WooglesOutdoors Thank you for the feedback! I would highly recommend that you call 3 Rivers Archery, they can walk you through arrow selection very well. 1-866-732-8783 ... I always call them when I have a question.
I'm glad your tossing arrows down range... that is a great thing! Try all the styles... then, use the one that fits you best.
Hello sir actually I do something different. Is the best of both worlds. I do a fixed crawl and then I love my gaps to be much tighter. Gaps are too large otherwise. Don't you think? Don't you think that a fixed crawl combined with a little bit gapping but very narrow gap with the Point aim is much closer is much better. ? thank u ? what do u think
I like this tip that is how I shoot all the time I go by gap shooting no other
Great advice. I sorta combine gap and instinctive with my shooting style
gamerdude535 Me too! Thank you for the feedback!
9:40 Ranging just comes down to ranging your shooting lanes before and during your hunt, bushes, small trees etc can all be range land marks. Personally I don't believe someone should shoot further than 20 maaaybe 25 yards with a recurve anyways. Even on heavier draw weights and the best broadheads it'll have trouble passing through on a perfect broadside shot on a deer at 25 yards.
you are great guy I shoot compound with sights and have gotten success. got a cross now from injury from auto accident.
Not so hot with it it's forward heavy awkward to hold still with out some type of rest. I feel the spirit to use long bow and want accuracy top priority. need good equimnet and arrows. I'm worried about draw weight limites from injury. disabled not lot of extra .money even used bow passed on. The doctors think the
practice could help me keep disability into action. any suggestions. I'm idolize Bryon Ferguson. a gentle soul good man
some day I want to meat him.
send info on a way to get hand me downs, scratches don't matter just work and have soul to help
with this process.. I'm wondering
about sling shot performance
is simular with (repeatable)
sequences and maybe gap
The same processes? what do you think??
So you only move your finger position and not the arrow?? Is that correct??
Mike March With the "gap method" you would move the tip of the arrow. With the "string walking method" you would move your finger position on the string and not the tip of the arrow. Another option would be "face walking" where you would anchor at different placed on your face to correlate with the gaps at various distances. I've never tried this last method but, I have heard of other guys doing it. I may try it in the future and make a video on it.
OK I got the two mixed up, thanks!!
You should try horse archery, also called mounted archery. That would certainly hone your skills
Before it comes to drawing lines on my riser, I'll just use a sight. I'm trying the instinctive route first. I used to shoot instinctive extremely well, but at that time, I shot many rounds of arrows almost every single day. I don't know if I can commit that much time to it now. Not to mention that my eye sight is nowhere near what it used to be. I don't mind using a sight if instinctive doesn't work out for me. I first told myself that I would avoid the sight or not shoot recurve at all. But watching these videos on shooting the gap has actually made me change my mind about shooting a sight. The gap method seems like shooting without a sight just for the sake of shooting without a sight......when you are actually "sighting" in the bow with your gaps. It seems like people are trying to "fake" instinctive for the sake of being able to shoot the instinctive class tournaments. Before I go that route, I'll just used a sight. I know some with big egos will take offense to that. But deal with it. I really don't care how people shoot and not judging anyone. Thanks for posting. I watched J.B.'s video on gap shooting already. He is an awesome shot using that method. Thanks for the prayers! I need it! :P
+Joe Blake Good feedback Joe, I appreciate what you are saying here. I think there is too much "pressure" to shoot this way or that. Rather, I feel, that shooters should try a variety of methods and use the one they are most comfortable with. I also think that some methods are more easily adopted by some shooters and not as much as others. We are not all exactly the same. At the end of the day, our goal is to hit an intended point... do what works for you.
I am shooting exclusively instinctive right now... no hash marks... because of the benefits it brings for hunting. However, when I do shoot gap, I like the hash marks over a sight because it is less weight, and one less thing that can get broken. Also, it doesn't cost much to put a piece of tape on the belly of my bow and put some hash marks on it. What does a sight cost? Plus, I like the way the hash marks work in my peripheral vision... it seems to work great for me.
Keeping you and your in my prayers this thanksgiving! Shoot straight!
I loved your video, and particularly the comments about working on your form. I love instinctive, but have always been curious to try gap shooting. What I wonder though is how it works with hunting. I mean, when shooting instinctive, does not really matter if I'm using broadheads of field points. If I were to use the tip of the arrow as reference though, the broadheads have different length than the points, so I guess my reference would change? Did you find much difference?
May your aim be true ;)
what about aiming down the arrow?
Try it. Using the tip of the arrow is, I think, the most common method when shooting the Gap method.
Hi Joe,
I somehow understood the idea of gap shooting and will try it myself next time.
There is only some argument with your explanation.
The procedure of the gap method has to do with optics and less with the physical flight of the arrow.
For me this explanation seems to be a little misleading.
bst rgds from Hamburg / Germany
1 Thessalonians 5:21 - good advice for archery!
I clicked on it, brought me back in the video. Thanks for scripture.
My aim is flawless, perfect.
My shot cycle is what stinks.
It takes a lot of arrows to fine tune any sighting system. Just a different take. Gap vs String Walking. Both you need to be a pretty good judgement of distance outside of a range target at defined distances. In the Gap method not only do you have to judge the distance, but also at various distances you have to be able to judge your gap distance. Like for example at 20 yards your gap needs to be lets say 9 inches. How do you accurately judge 9 inches by looking what 9 inches on your target. which could be any shape depending what your trying to hit. Two variables. String Walking you still need to be able to judge distance but for example at 20 yards put the point of your arrow exactly on target and use whatever your using for instances at 20 yards exactly 7 stitches in your tab, a card with your calibration, one guy his system was at 20 yards it was exactly three of his fingers. So using the gap you have two variables String walking only one.
One is no better than the other depending on what you like and if it gets you the results you like. One you have less guess work.
I suppose the gaps vary by draw weight? Higher draw weight = bigger gap below point on?
Yes, all depends on your setup.
I shoot instinctively and always have. My friend told me that no one shoots truly instinctive! He said whether you know it or not you are a gap shooting by using the point of your arrow. So my buddy let me shoot his 31.5 inch arrow and my 34 in arrow at the same Target instinctively. Both arrows landed beside of each other in the spot. I said now if I was looking at the point of my arrow like gap Shooters do, The full length arrows and the shorter arrows, the shorter would have hit higher correct? He said, you allowed for it subconsciously.... Whatever I said, I was just staring at the bullseye like I always do. I have a 32 inch draw so his Arrow was in the middle of my Arrow shelf of my black widow. I know this is an old video, I just wanted to argue the point about instinctive shooting.
do use 3 finger under? Jimmy blackmom says use 3 finger, thanks Chris
+alex cody I shoot split when I shoot gap but, I do shoot 3 under when I shoot string walking. Jimmy Blackmon is an incredible archer!
thanks I want to try gap not ready for 3 under
Thanks for sharing!
Very helpful thanks
Top notch
The arrow does not "climb". The only reason why the arrow will shoot above the target at a close distance such as 10 yards and in is due to you aiming down at the target at a sharp angle.
If you shoot from your knees point blank and aim directly at the target 10 yards and in you will hit the target dead center.
The only time trajectory comes into play is when you are far away from your target and need to adjust for drop in which case you aim above the target and let the arrow drop.
It's the same thing with shooting a gun.
+sovernsectwarren shooting over the target at 10 yards was probably a bit exaggerated, but I guess gravity doesn't exist until after the arrow makes it 10 yards for you? For everyone else the effects of gravity increases exponentially over time, but it exists from the instant we release our arrows.
+Jake Holt Right, I never disagreed with that.
The maker of this video is trying to say that the arrow climbs up sort of like a golf ball when struck.
This is not the case with shooting an arrow though. The arrow can only can down, it never goes up unless you aim up.
Do people EVER read these posts entirely before responding..... you are making his point FOR him while thinking you are disagreeing..... He ( and others) correctly point out that every weapon has SOME distance at which it will have a FLAT trajectory.....10 yards with a 50 lb bow will result in a flat trajectory...... The producer of this video ( and others recommending gap shooting) appear to believe that any arrow will begin flight by climbing first..... Havent noticed this with bullets,baseballs batteries OR arrows........BUT.... Gap shooting certainly has a place once you are past 30 yards....... I can't believe that there is this much disagreement over something that is painfully easy to prove....
Joe, bro I'm an atheist, and I love your bow teachings, I like the bible info too! Have said many times I have zero issues with any bible history, I appreciate the history, and archaeology of it all, don't understand the political atheists that whine about everything lol, my big issue was always resurrections, just FYI, however thanks for the instruction on the stop gap, you teach well my friend, easy to,follow, easy to understand! Ty cheers!
Nice video but I cant do this lol. I shoot straight instinctive...... When an animal steps out for 2 seconds for a shot I cant guess distance.
Shoot instinctive!
Pretty sure it's called a "bull's eye" not a "Ball's eye"
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I'm new to archery, so bear with me. It seems that it makes no sense to talk about the arc of the arrow. Relative to the bow, the arrow is falling from the instant it's released. Unless it's rocket powered. There are two things for which the archer must compensate. One, the parallax error resulting from the archer's eye being higher than the point of the arrow. Two, the fall of the arrow. Wouldn't it make more sense to explain the simple concept of parallax error instead of complicating the explanation with all that arc nonsense?
AT TEN YARDS??????? something may be wrong with your bows. ANY bow should have a flat trajectory at 10 yrds. unless you aim it UP at 10 yrds it should fly flat. that's what the term "point blank range" means. you ever heard it before? every projectile weapon has a "point blank" range. that is the range at which the target is close enough for the power of the projectile launching device to fire "flat on" at the target. no need to compensate in any appreciable way for trajectory arc. the more powerful the projectile weapon...the further out it has "point blank" firing capability. but unless you have a bow that is WWWAAAYYY under weight....10 yrds should be point blank. at 10-15 yards out with a 40lb recurve I put my arrow head "on target" EXACTLY like you are talkin about at around the 6:40 mark to get my trajectory dialed in...and I hit. at 10-15 yrds out my 40lb recurve is in "point blank range". I don't have to start compensating for drop until I get out to 20+ yrds. and even then, with some of my lighter weight arrows (or my heavier weight long bow) I can still pretty much shoot straight at between 18-25 yrds. I know I come off like a "know it all" asshat, and I am sorry for it. I am a very blunt person. I truly don't mean to be offensive just informative, but I do it in an incredibly overbearing way. I apologize for it...but I won't change from it LOL.
Joe is exactly right in the video. There is other videos that back everything he is saying. Jimmy Blackmon has a really good in depth video explaining the gaps and showing how to get the gaps. Everything in jimmys video goes along with joes video though. His info in this video is correct
Lane vaden dude I speak from personal eye ball witness of my own experiences with archery. there is NO HIEGHT GAIN to a shot at 10 yrds unless you aim up. or if you are nocked to low on the string causing "ramp" on the shelf. if anything you should have drop you know from that gravity stuff you always hear so much about. but at 10 yrds even DROP shouldn't be an issue unless you have a rubber band for a string. re-read my comment. i'm exactly right. I know what I see with my own EYES when i'm shooting. there is no RISE to my shots at 10 yrds. 10-15 yards should be point blank for ANY bow worth shooting with. you shouldn't need to compensate for drop until 20+ yrds with about 35-40lb draw 20-25 yrds with about 50-60lb draw. and you should NEVER have to compensate for upward arc in the shot unless YOU PUT IT THERE by nocking low or aiming up! whatever else he may be right about in the video as far as this "gap shooting" he's on about I don't know. I quit watching when he said that if shoot straight on at 10yrds you will hit HIGH!!! on the target. that was all I needed to know I didn't want to hear anything else he had to say.
+Edward Teach he's talking about aiming below the target not compensating for drop. The arrow travels on an arc so any distance before the peak of the arc you must aim below where you want to hit. I'm not gonna argue with you about it i only commented to let you know what he says is true and he can be back up by many credible sources
Lane vaden nope! he said specifically aim the arrow AT THE BULLSEYE and it will hit ABOVE the spot you aimed for at 10yrds. he said it. not me. he did. in that video right up there at about the 6:40 mark. go watch it. an arrow does not RISE when shot unless you aim up, or nock low to create "ramp" with your shelf. it. does. not. happen.
+Edward Teach please educate yourself on the flight of an arrow. If you aim at the bullseye the arrow will impact above it because it is rising. With the gap method any distance before the peak of the arc of the arrow you aim below where you want to hit to compensate for the rising of the arrow. It's a very simple concept that's been proven many many times by other people. Anyone that reads this will tell you I am right
Or we could just put a sight on our trad bows.
youtube should start allowing more than one thumbs down for videos such as this :D
+ßildØva Dova Awesome... thanks for the "double thumbs down" attitude! ;-)
hi l like god. nah. j/k.
anytime lol I would of went with more than JUST 2 thumbs down so it'd actually be more than just a 2 thumbs down attitude :D
+ßildØva Dova Awesome! That's for the "love" my friend!
"That's for the love " lol
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You've a good voice, delivery, script, prescence, and camera work.
However, your videos just rehash other archer's videos, and you add totally unecessary and unwanted religious references.
So, try doing original material without scripture and your ratings will probably soar. I'd like to see that for you ; )
How about you let him put whatever religious stuff he wants in his vids? I personally enjoy it, and it's not all about popularity and subscribers.
Jesus may have been a great archer but you are not
sorry dude but you just aren't qualified to give advice