Yeah the issue arose when I had to remove my licensed music out of the video. The first time I tried to upload it, UA-cam decided to send a copyright notice.
As an A train rider, this should get no higher than a B- grade. 6 tph during rush hours and always getting held up at 59st, 145st and 168th. It barely outruns the 1 LOCAL on its way to Inwood 😮💨😒 Unless they de-interline the Cranberry-Tubes and 59st Junction this line will never improve..
The best way to deinterline the Cranberry tubes would require the C and E running together on Cranberry. This would mean that the A would be a local route running from Norwood 205th St to WTC. This requires the C to be moved to the QBL to 179th St leaving the E as it is. With that the C would do express service on its line and this proposed C would be at 24tph while the E does 12tph to Euclid. The C would better handle the three branches after Euclid as each branch of the proposed C Train would also replace the inconsistent H Shuttle to Rockaway as the C would have to alternate between 3 terminals. Concourse riders would have to get used to 8th Ave service one way or another as the A would have more capacity than the D at Concourse. The A has to end at Norwood because of how the 59th St Junction works. For the A/C/E A: Norwood 205th St to WTC C: Jamaica 179th St to Lefferts Blvd/Rockaways E: Jamaica Center to Euclid Ave The B and D would be required to take the Inwood Branch under this pattern B: Inwood 207th St to Coney Island (Sea Beach) D: 168th St to Bay Ridge 95th St
The E Line is one of the common lines I've been on because when I arrive into New York JFK from London Heathrow, I take the AirTrain from JFK Terminal 8 to Jamaica Station and then catch the Subway at Sutphin Boulevard Archer Avenue JFK Airport. I like taking the E Line from Sutphin Boulevard Archer Avenue JFK Airport to any Station in Manhattan because when an E Line train arrives from its eastern terminus at Jamaica Centre-Parsons/ Archer, the train is nearly empty so there's plenty of room onboard each carriage for air travellers like me who have flown into New York JFK and the journey times on the E Line are very good as well.
It's either that or take a painfully 5 business year long wait for the A train at Howard Beach which the AirTrain links up so you got the better service (I'm not American just saying)
Nice video! Good presentation! I tend to agree with most of your assessments based on my own experiences (NYC born and bred and still live there but just don't ride the subway as much).
1:10 its kinda hard getting the r62a's to 239th street yard & 180th street yard to be cleaned because the r62's for the (3) and r142's for the (2) have to share that same wash
I completely understand about the 1, the trains are much more dirty and now the headways are starting to slow, however the 3 was done extremely dirty. The 3 train runs really well on weekday rush hours. Sure, the 2 runs more often but the 3 is more of a support. The 3 runs really fast and the way you claimed the headways are pretty exaggerated. Sometimes I see more 3 trains than 2 trains. The 3 runs well on the el part but struggles at Roger’s. Other than that it’s a very solid line. It doesn’t get crowded during rush hours except near midtown, has decent headways, and serves a very well purpose. I feel like it should be placed in A tier.
Tbh I can understand why the F is B-tier, but to put it out there, I've still seen two or three F trains come before an E at Roosevelt Ave. And that was even before the 63 st construction began. I feel like the F, just like the E, also deserves an A rating. It does fantastic on QBL, 6 Ave, and really frequent service on Culver (tho I wish F trains always ran express on Culver).
As a former F-rider I've always been proud of their frequent service. however... F has too many stops in Brooklyn with a lengthy commute that is exacerbated by whiny Yuppies in North Brooklyn who are adamant to sharing some of their capacity with a proper express service. No way a train that takes an hour to go from Gravesend to Manhattan should be in A tier.
imo f train should be exp in south culver not so much north becuase north culver wheres all the riders are and in south culver no one theres look at bay pkway least used station only important station there is kings hway which is an exp station @@RealMadridFan1117
Pretty interesting video, was wondering if you would be interested in making a video on how service can be adjusted based on raising speed limits across certain trunks in the system, thought that would be a cool idea for a video that many may be interested in. Queens Blvd has one of the fastest trains I've seen in a while but it'll never compare to what 7th Ave used to look like when Redbirds were on the 2 and the 3 had 9 car R62As,and over the years, certain trunk lines have definitely slowed down.
As a #5 Dyre Avenue line rider for 44 plus years, I would give this line a B tier because of the headways during rush hours as well. Like the A line with different terminals in Queens, the 5 line has different terminals in the Bronx. During rush hours, the headways to and from Dyre Avenue can be 12 to 15 minutes waiting for a train. If we’re all paying the same fare, we should all get decent service.
@@williamerazo3921 I know the WPR line has more ridership. The Dyre Avenue line does have a good descent ridership especially during rush hours with folks going to and from work and students going to school in the morning. There are schools at each stop on the Dyre Avenue line. That's no excuse for the long waits.
0:15 - Do all Subway cars have batteries on-board so traction-motors keep running, and passenger's lighting stays on, while the train passes a gap of the third-rail? I think lighting would have flicked out at these gaps.
2:30 i mean u not wrong it can get pretty ghetto between Allerton - 219th plus during rush hours u have to deal with Evander High Schoolers & Richard R Green Middle Schoolers
The D line really needs better headways, it’s literally 14 mins on Sunday. And even during the week I find myself waiting a lot. Supposedly they are going to improve the headways to 8 mins during the week, but even then that’s not until a year from now.
I think the 2 is at least an a tier because they take very good care of their cars. Mosholu needs to do a much better job with treating their cars well. The 2 is the goat of the 🔴7 Av Line🔴 in my opinion.
I always thought the L was the best B division line back when I lived near Myrtle wycoff but when I moved to howard beach near the A and I needed to take the L more often, I saw exactly the real L train. I see huge problems in 14th st Union square with the crowding and I see often pushing and shoving and holding doors, even if it runs 3-4 mins I still try to find a way to avoid it because I don’t wanna deal with that crowding. I once had to wait 30 mins in Myrtle wycoff for the L, that is unacceptable. If your in an emergency then the L is needed but other than that I don’t really see it being useful for me. This train should be no more than A-
I never had issues on the 2 line living in the bronx i lived on Pelham parkway i had friend's in burke ave and in Allerton idk how it is now but i loved it the only lines i dislike are the 4,5,6 lines also the N and W i always wait at least an hour for the train even on the week day's it'll take so long to arrive
The 7 being godly will never change AT ALL. It is the best line in the system, but not my favorite unfortunately but it’s definitely amazing. Fun fact: I will get Queensboro Plaza eventually.
I also completely disagree about the Franklin ave shuttle. If you go strictly off of service it’s not the most impressive line but in terms of the purpose it serves it is sooooo important! Strictly on the subway the S is the only train that links south and north Brooklyn. The G kinda does it but in a really long roundabout way. Without the S there’d be absolutely no way to get from bed stuy to say Flatbush or crown heights
An r62 on the 2 line wow that's a surprise cause you never see r62s on the 2 line since it uses all new trains the r142s. So it's like back in the day all over again when the 2 used to use the r62s. Subway memories of the train all lines used to use back in the day.
The B train is an S tier line, frequent service, howling R68/As and it connects me to most lines I need to transfer to. Also the R40S, R40M and R42s were legendary on the B train
My rankings (1)- A tier (2)- B tier (3)- C tier (4)- B tier (5)- B tier (6/6X)- B tier (7/7X)- S tier (A)- C tier (C)- C tier (E)- B tier (B)- D tier (D)- C tier (F)- D tier (M)- C tier (N)- D tier (Q)- B tier (R)- D tier (W)- D tier (L)- A tier (42nd street shuttle)- A tier (G)- C tier (Rockaway Shuttle)- haven't ridden yet (Franklin avenue shittle)- haven't ridden yet (J)- haven't ridden yet (Z)- also haven't ridden yet, but its basically nonexistent, so D tier
As someone from Brooklyn I think the D and N should be higher, and the F should be lower. It's too slow in Brooklyn and is a slog. Should run express permanently
I agree the F should run Exp in Brooklyn, but the D/N shouldn’t be much higher than where they are. Both have horrible, inconsistent gaps, and are pretty slow for getting to Coney Island.
@@ClipsBy_amirprobably won’t exist, implementation for 2av subway probably won’t happen, instead the Q will be extended as the 125st crosstown all the way west instead. OR probably will exist but my guess till around 2029 😂
From a person who always used the N, I disagree with it being D tier, I do think it has fallen off when R160s got off of it for the Coney Island R46s and R68s, I would have given it a B easily when it had R160s, now every time I take it Brooklyn, the R would catch up to it from 59st to Atlantic Ave, when it’s supposed to be express! That’s insane! In terms of timings I think I get lucky, with it coming every 5-8 minutes, at worst being 10. Despite that I don’t think the line is that bad at all to use on a consistent basis, it does have some speed still in Manhattan, whilst rare now. For me it should at bare minimum have a C.
What really should be in d tier is the orange m like it's to much for any one and there's nothing special about it, it's just combination 2 limes into a worse piece of junk, for service just walk to woodhaven blvd for QBL/Q60, I don't understand how hard it is, this orange m is only made for disabled people or those that have 0 common sense in their lives. N should be b-tier while the z disgrace can join the orange M into the D tier like it's overrated.
I believe on Astor pl on the 6 one of the platforms i believe it's the Brookly bridge bound one there is a store Other lines I have something to say 42st shuttle-it's a good line i agree with S tier because some of the cars have designs on it A-It's one of the longest if not the longest B division line in the system along with the F/R and is the line the MTA seems to be most focused on in terms of giving new trains as they gave that line R211 first over any other line M-probably one of the weirdest lines in the system also the only lines that enters a borough twice and it N-I kind of agree you on it being the worst line in the system if there is a subway incident its always the N and always in south Brooklyn Z-I agree completely ITS USLESS TO MAKE IT BETTER MAKE IT RUN TO BROOKLY OR HAVE SOME MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ALONG JAMACIA AVENUE AND BROADWAY!
The 1 is my train! But wayyyy too often it's out of commission past 137th st, which makes it unuseable for me, and the "shuttles" are always so sketchy and not a replacement for the same route. B tier because of this, imo.
as a (G), (4), (5), and (6) rider (the only lines that i take pretty much daily), i really want to see some improvements on the (G). i always run into issues with train bunching, long headways, and missing the train because it was too short. i really do love when on the weekends the operators will speed things up a bit but i feel like the (G) should get more service somehow. waiting 8, 10, 12, or even 21 (longest headway on a (G) ive seen without a service change) minutes for a train is unacceptable for a line that is used relatively heavily. i'd like to see some extra trains come from either r179's that get displaced with the installation of the r211's on the (A) and possibly the (C) run on the (G) to either form more frequent 5-car trains or running 8-10 car trains. i think the first option would fit better as thr (G) just struggles from long headways. also, i feel like the (G) is still missing transfers. there are a few projects that would be a little more long term and expensive but would help with this. one is to consolidate the stations on the (J)/(M)/(Z) lines to allow for a transfer with the (G) at broadway. another is to connect the franklin ave shuttle to the bedford nostrand ave middle track, however that would be an even tougher project as the current northern terminus of the franklin ave shuttle is elevated and it would be tough to get it back underground to connect with the (G). but if we can decrease headways (maybe add like one or two trains) on the franklin ave shuttle, it would be a useful connection with the fulton st line, eastern pkwy line, and brighton line. i feel like the (G) has a lot of potential but it just isnt a priority right now which is kind of sad. as for the (4) and (5), i feel like a lot of deinterlining can be done to get rid of delays at rogers jct and 149st. there always seems to be delays there, and i think one plan is to have the (3) run to dyre along with the current (2) configuration and have them seperate at E180st. this would solve the delays at 149st GC with (5) trains being limited to 10mph on the sharp curves there. while rebuilding the curves would be an option, i think a much simple option would be the suggested option. after the (5) gets displaced, it could either run with the (4) as a supplementary line allowing for peak direction express on jerome, or it could run on a future 3rd ave line. as for the harlem riders that are missing out on the (3) service, i think that a shuttle service could replace the (3) here as 135st station already has 3 tracks and it could be converted into a shuttle terminus as well as an island platform for the (2)/(3) going to the bronx. since 145st is already only able to service ~6 cars, a few 5 car sets of r62's could be set aside for this. for the (6) line, i feel like there is a big issue with overcrowding on lex. all the time i see one train getting delayed because of long dwell times caused by overcrowding, and it caused that train to be running 4-12 mins behind schedule. often, to combat this, said train will run express, but it doesnt help much because the time for the next train will be further increased from the 4-12 mins original delay. but it gets worse, as trains tend to bunch following this, causing trains to run at incredibly slow speeds because of a train in front of them. the solution is either cbtc, better train scheduling, reconfiguring parkchester, but idk what else would solve it. i could complain about more, but this comment is already an essay so ill leave it at that but qbl, dekalb, 149, rogers, cranberry/fulton, and many more lines need to be deinterlined/fixed.
That plans is terrible and will do nothing more than shoot ourselves in the foot. As I say it and AGAIN, White Plains Road and dyre Avenue riders has a SERIOUS DEMAND for the East Side removing the 5 train Lexington Avenue line from white Plains Road is a AWFULLY ABYMAL idea!!! How the hell are people going to get to the east side without it. 149th Street Grand Concourse will become a dangerously CROWDED CRUSH LOADED NIGHTMARE, The (2) and (4) trains are already overcrowded with the way the system currently is. No matter what investment/expansion you make to 149th Street Grand Concourse even with a restored 3rd Avenue line the 2 and 4 trains will LITERALLY NEVER be able to handle that many people transferring you would be pissing off thousands of riders in the bronx! Furthermore If the (2)(3) both serve The Bronx white plains road, there is no longer any service to the 145th Street or Harlem - 148th Street stations on the coverting that part into a shuttle is also shit too. since that would be screwing over everyone trying to get to midtown on Harlem. Like 135th street wasn’t designed for that overly complicated service patterns, the same for IRT Brooklyn. Rogers junction let’s face it it will never be perfect so their no use in even trying at this point. It actually works out. A lot of people use the (5) train on nostrand Avenue to get to Lexington Avenue. And a lot of people on the New Lots Avenue line uses the (3) train to get to 7th Avenue and the (3) train needs quick access to the Livonia Yard. And before you come up with this delusional view that the loss of one rides can be “consolated by more service” well sorry buddy but I’m afraid that’s not how it works, Having the 5 run up Jerome would create a redundant service and over-serve Jerome Ave. The case could be made for more rush hours service on the line to allow the 4 to run express in the direction of traffic, but outside the rush, is there really a need for 40+ TPH or 2-3 minute constant service on Jerome or in all of IRT for that matter? The 5 would either become a rush hour-only route, which would be disastrous for Lexington Ave, or the rerouted trains would have to terminate at 149 St-Grand Concourse to continue providing service down the line, which would be a waste just to avoid a MERE MERGE ZONE! Like that’s the fatal flaw in these trash plans, they isn’t enough space to terminate and run over these trains meaning that will be an additional dwell times in the middle of stations waiting for the trains to depart the terminals like occasional when I ride the 2 train it sometimes get stuck on Nereid Avenue when both tracks on Wakefield 241st street are occupied actually more unnecessary extra capacity will worsen this issue and Dyre Avenue definitely for a fact cannot handle the extra service, part of the reason with those select rush hour 5 trains start and end at nereid avenue, and that’s to not only allow for easier east side access on the northern white plains road line but to allowed for extra Lexington Avenue express service without over serving Dyre Avenue line. Is there honestly a NEED FOR THAT MANY SERVICE is the ENTIRE subway system for that matter? These are just formers throwing tantrums over the fact these trains ain’t running every 1 minute apart for each other. 149th street curve barely costs any delays compared to Roger junctions and dekalb avenue. I could tell that you have barely or never even ridden the 2 3 4 5 trains before in the Bronx or Harlem. IRT has the best on time performance ever every 3- 7 minutes is excellent for MTA Standards. Reverse branching doesn’t automatically means bad.
God, I hate you rail enthusiasts OBSESSING over de-interlining like it's this grand magic bullet that will make NYC Subway perfect and act like reverse branching catalyst of all problems...! We can all agree that our nyc mass transit system suffers from many problems, but the solution isn't to RADICALLY change the system because a group of transit fanboys so dearly want to see their favorite subway line on a different route.🤦♂️
@@Amiri_Francis its just trying to improve the subway with the structures we already have. if you want to fantasize about some new subway line or expansion, go ahead, but it would probably take years and more money than the mta can make from selling bonds that it wouldnt be feasible. the whole subway system could be much better as you can see from this video. and im not even playing favorites, im just saying that it can help improve the subway. a little bit goes a long way, and if youre fine with the aging subway system as it is, then i dont know what to say to you, but you can think that. im not stopping you. but im guessing and hoping that you want to make it better, and if so, i would like to hear your plans.
G seems to run extremely infrequently on weekend mornings btw. And now they’re doing the night time project for the upgrade. So it’s a bit of a mess but hoping it gets better in the coming years. Because I agree - a lot of people take it.
My rankings (1) - B Tier (2) - A Tier (3) - A Tier (4) - A Tier (5) - C Tier (huge mess and horrible headways on weekends and late nights.) (6) - B Tier (7) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN (A) - C Tier (a huge pain on some weekends when it goes via the F) (B) - S Tier nuff said (C) - A Tier (faster than the A somehow for being a local train) (D) - B Tier (Atrocious headways in Brooklyn) (E) - C Tier (horrible headways at Canal Street) (F) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN (FX) - no. just no. (D Tier) (G) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN (L) - A Tier (M) - A Tier (N) - A Tier (Q) - basically a express N (B Tier) (R/W) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN (J) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN (Z) - Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z (Z Z) (S) - S Tier, very fast (T) - just use the M15 SBS (D Tier) (SF) - A Tier (SR) A Tier, got the R160 update (SIR) - we have busses for a reason (D Tier)
My rating isn't any where nearly as sophisticated as yours is. I like the IND best, then the BMT, and then the IRT. That is due their modernity and track layout. The IND has the most modern track layout, and the IRT, for the most part, is more primitive due to mostly being built earlier. The B, D, and F are my most favourite because of the routings. I rode the F once 8 or so years ago from 34th St to Jamaica and back hoping for a racy express run under Queens Blvd. I was disappointed because the local overtook us. I'm not privy to what the holdup was for. I should have gone up 8th Ave if I wanted a fast express ride, I suppose. I'm not an expert on your operations, as I'm from a suburb on the west side of Toronto, Ontario, and don't come there often enough. Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario p.s. Our Yonge-University-Spadina Line in the core section has trains run every 90 seconds; Eat your heart out. It's boring, but very, very functional.
I remember my dad telling me he got his money stolen on the D train, such as his backpack (it had photos of me and everything) that was why he didn’t arrive home. I’m still scared of it to this day. I also hate it alot.
My rankings: (1) B Tier (2) C Tier (3) A Tier (4) C Tier (5) S Tier (6) A Tier (also includes ) (7) A Tier (also includes ) (S42) A Tier (A) D Tier (B) S Tier (C) B Tier (D) D Tier (E) B Tier (F) A Tier (also includes ) (G) B Tier (J)/(Z) B Tier (L) D Tier (M) B Tier (N) B Tier (Q) C Tier (R) D Tier (SFA) C Tier (SRP) B Tier (W) C Tier
This is just service frequency, but putting the 6 Train in S Tier is very controversial, because I personally don’t see it as a very good train especially if you life north of Union Square and south of 59th is just drama
Well the A only runs 12tph with the 2 terminals it runs to, meaning that you have 6tph on each line which is too low. Any line that runs towards those branches needs all the capacity that it can get. Bear in mind the A with the C runs 17tph combined which is what’s proposed for CPW on the Local Track. To fix the A and C lines they would have to become separate lines and the A would have to be chopped back to WTC, but in return this changes the A line’s northbound terminal to Norwood 205th St. I can’t believe I didn’t say this but with the A funneling 17tph on Concourse you can have excess 10 car sets for the G which it needs to be a full length train. The G has enough sets to make 9 full length sets, and with that it gets 7 totaling 15. That plus the R179s can come in handy for the G as it would have enough sets to be a full length train. For the C it won’t be running on CPW anymore as we are moving it to the QBL to 179th St, since we’re having the C take over the branches East of Euclid, we have the E join the C on Cranberry and Fulton. The E remains as it is in Queens but In Manhattan it would go express to Fulton. Once on the IND Fulton St Line the C would be the line moved to the Express tracks while the E gets the local tracks. This also means the the C takes over the 3 branches that the A had.
The Z line ranks higher than the audio quality - Sorry but the huge narration volume dips 🤧
Yeah…
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i like how he didn't make a claim for it and just put it in D
Lmao😂😂😂😂
NYC accent be crazier than in the last version
Dont know if you noticed, but there's definitely a few dips in audio volume
Yeah the issue arose when I had to remove my licensed music out of the video. The first time I tried to upload it, UA-cam decided to send a copyright notice.
@@MysticTransitgonna fix it?
@@ommy7672 I feel all he needs to do it put a warning on a pinned comment. Its not too bad
agree on the 5. I take it daily, and I love Jessica's announcements.
this is a manHATTEN bound FIVE express train
You are sooo real about the 2 beyond E 180th 😂😂😂😂 and IM SOOOOOO GLAD YOU’RE GIVING THE 6 HER THINGS!!!!!!!!!
20:19 I take the Q everyday and during morning rush hour if I miss 1 train, I gotta get comfy waiting 15-20 mins for the next one
Ah yes, ranking bullets, my favorite! (Entertaining video, keep up the good work!)
Thanks! I will!
As an A train rider, this should get no higher than a B- grade. 6 tph during rush hours and always getting held up at 59st, 145st and 168th. It barely outruns the 1 LOCAL on its way to Inwood 😮💨😒
Unless they de-interline the Cranberry-Tubes and 59st Junction this line will never improve..
Agreed, the delays abnormal at times plus the service changes be baffling
But why be held up at 168th Street
Where have you EVER seen the A run SIX TRAINS per HOUR during rush hour?
@@Bombardier2199 the Rockaways
The best way to deinterline the Cranberry tubes would require the C and E running together on Cranberry. This would mean that the A would be a local route running from Norwood 205th St to WTC. This requires the C to be moved to the QBL to 179th St leaving the E as it is. With that the C would do express service on its line and this proposed C would be at 24tph while the E does 12tph to Euclid. The C would better handle the three branches after Euclid as each branch of the proposed C Train would also replace the inconsistent H Shuttle to Rockaway as the C would have to alternate between 3 terminals.
Concourse riders would have to get used to 8th Ave service one way or another as the A would have more capacity than the D at Concourse.
The A has to end at Norwood because of how the 59th St Junction works.
For the A/C/E
A: Norwood 205th St to WTC
C: Jamaica 179th St to Lefferts Blvd/Rockaways
E: Jamaica Center to Euclid Ave
The B and D would be required to take the Inwood Branch under this pattern
B: Inwood 207th St to Coney Island (Sea Beach)
D: 168th St to Bay Ridge 95th St
D train solos. It takes you in the major areas of NYC, and even in south Brooklyn, where you don’t have much service anyway.
That very true. It does goes to important spots in the city. It better then the A and C but it does take around 12 to 8 minutes for the concourse.
The 6 train: You dare challenge me mortal?
The E Line is one of the common lines I've been on because when I arrive into New York JFK from London Heathrow, I take the AirTrain from JFK Terminal 8 to Jamaica Station and then catch the Subway at Sutphin Boulevard Archer Avenue JFK Airport. I like taking the E Line from Sutphin Boulevard Archer Avenue JFK Airport to any Station in Manhattan because when an E Line train arrives from its eastern terminus at Jamaica Centre-Parsons/ Archer, the train is nearly empty so there's plenty of room onboard each carriage for air travellers like me who have flown into New York JFK and the journey times on the E Line are very good as well.
It's either that or take a painfully 5 business year long wait for the A train at Howard Beach which the AirTrain links up so you got the better service (I'm not American just saying)
Thanks for uploading sir!
Nice video! Good presentation! I tend to agree with most of your assessments based on my own experiences (NYC born and bred and still live there but just don't ride the subway as much).
yooo new mysic upload! cant wait to watch!
1:54 it says (2) but the middle cars cant make up if they wanna be a (3) or (2)
1:10 its kinda hard getting the r62a's to 239th street yard & 180th street yard to be cleaned because the r62's for the (3) and r142's for the (2) have to share that same wash
I completely understand about the 1, the trains are much more dirty and now the headways are starting to slow, however the 3 was done extremely dirty. The 3 train runs really well on weekday rush hours. Sure, the 2 runs more often but the 3 is more of a support. The 3 runs really fast and the way you claimed the headways are pretty exaggerated. Sometimes I see more 3 trains than 2 trains. The 3 runs well on the el part but struggles at Roger’s. Other than that it’s a very solid line. It doesn’t get crowded during rush hours except near midtown, has decent headways, and serves a very well purpose. I feel like it should be placed in A tier.
Tbh I can understand why the F is B-tier, but to put it out there, I've still seen two or three F trains come before an E at Roosevelt Ave. And that was even before the 63 st construction began. I feel like the F, just like the E, also deserves an A rating. It does fantastic on QBL, 6 Ave, and really frequent service on Culver (tho I wish F trains always ran express on Culver).
As a former F-rider I've always been proud of their frequent service. however...
F has too many stops in Brooklyn with a lengthy commute that is exacerbated by whiny Yuppies in North Brooklyn who are adamant to sharing some of their capacity with a proper express service.
No way a train that takes an hour to go from Gravesend to Manhattan should be in A tier.
@@Interstella-ni3vhthat’s why the f should run express in Culver bc it would be a faster ride
imo f train should be exp in south culver not so much north becuase north culver wheres all the riders are and in south culver no one theres look at bay pkway least used station only important station there is kings hway which is an exp station @@RealMadridFan1117
Wth are yuppies @@Interstella-ni3vh
Keep the good work mystic
Thanks! Will do!
Pretty interesting video, was wondering if you would be interested in making a video on how service can be adjusted based on raising speed limits across certain trunks in the system, thought that would be a cool idea for a video that many may be interested in. Queens Blvd has one of the fastest trains I've seen in a while but it'll never compare to what 7th Ave used to look like when Redbirds were on the 2 and the 3 had 9 car R62As,and over the years, certain trunk lines have definitely slowed down.
As a #5 Dyre Avenue line rider for 44 plus years, I would give this line a B tier because of the headways during rush hours as well. Like the A line with different terminals in Queens, the 5 line has different terminals in the Bronx. During rush hours, the headways to and from Dyre Avenue can be 12 to 15 minutes waiting for a train. If we’re all paying the same fare, we should all get decent service.
Not really. White planes Rd have more ridership
@@williamerazo3921 I know the WPR line has more ridership. The Dyre Avenue line does have a good descent ridership especially during rush hours with folks going to and from work and students going to school in the morning. There are schools at each stop on the Dyre Avenue line. That's no excuse for the long waits.
This is a well thought out list. I think the 3 was done dirty here, though. As someone who lives at a 2, 3 stop, I'm always hoping for a 3 over a 2.
3 is just a 2 train that ends at 148st. Them terrible local in Brooklyn
@williamerazo3921 the 3 is way less crowded, which is especially nice during rush hour.
No I made a tier list bvieeo
Same, but mainly because I’m tired of hearing Dianne’s “THE NEXT STAHP IS” over Jessica’s “THE NAYAXT STOP IS!”
Error: you were silent in parts of the the 5, j, and q.
7 train is godly!!!
Except for v recently lol I swear there’s some multi-day issue goin on
Finally someone giving my (E) train the respect it deserves 😭
0:15 - Do all Subway cars have batteries on-board so traction-motors keep running, and passenger's lighting stays on, while the train passes a gap of the third-rail? I think lighting would have flicked out at these gaps.
4:53 - Do you know Jessica and Diane?!
Great video
I completely agree with the B train Brighton express is probably my favorite section of subway in the entire system
Hello Mystic! Great video
2:30 i mean u not wrong it can get pretty ghetto between Allerton - 219th plus during rush hours u have to deal with Evander High Schoolers & Richard R Green Middle Schoolers
The D line really needs better headways, it’s literally 14 mins on Sunday. And even during the week I find myself waiting a lot. Supposedly they are going to improve the headways to 8 mins during the week, but even then that’s not until a year from now.
This Video Is Awesome I Know About All My Trains Also 6 And 7 Favorite
the seven is still godly.
Always has been, always will be.
@@MysticTransityup
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I think the 2 is at least an a tier because they take very good care of their cars. Mosholu needs to do a much better job with treating their cars well. The 2 is the goat of the 🔴7 Av Line🔴 in my opinion.
Always been the goat especially during the Redbirds era
Would you bump up the G at all once the CBTC project is complete? Or were you already factoring that in when you placed it in B tier?
I would bump up the (G) if/when it runs longer trains & when CBTC installation is complete.
14:18 “everybody kind of sleeps on the E”…
There’s a reason they call it the homeless express
You're right about the N train line. N for Nasty service. Especially during late night.
lmaoo the golf
btw are you planning on working for the mta
Could you possibly do an updated rolling stock tier list
The Nyc accent is crazy . 😂
Accurate and Respectable Rankings
I always thought the L was the best B division line back when I lived near Myrtle wycoff but when I moved to howard beach near the A and I needed to take the L more often, I saw exactly the real L train. I see huge problems in 14th st Union square with the crowding and I see often pushing and shoving and holding doors, even if it runs 3-4 mins I still try to find a way to avoid it because I don’t wanna deal with that crowding. I once had to wait 30 mins in Myrtle wycoff for the L, that is unacceptable. If your in an emergency then the L is needed but other than that I don’t really see it being useful for me. This train should be no more than A-
I never had issues on the 2 line living in the bronx i lived on Pelham parkway i had friend's in burke ave and in Allerton idk how it is now but i loved it the only lines i dislike are the 4,5,6 lines also the N and W i always wait at least an hour for the train even on the week day's it'll take so long to arrive
“She has that nice aggressiveness”, I always thought this about the 5 train
🙌🙌🙌 5 getting some love you forgot the Bronx Thru Express
This tier list was much different than the previous one and I wonder how the next one will go.
Can we talk about how during the flood the 7 was the only line not to go down
4:20 instead of washing the r142a's they have 142's from 239 do the work until they are dirty
The 7 being godly will never change AT ALL. It is the best line in the system, but not my favorite unfortunately but it’s definitely amazing. Fun fact: I will get Queensboro Plaza eventually.
did the F used to run R46s and R160s
🫨🚉 What are the noisiest train stations in the system?
I also completely disagree about the Franklin ave shuttle. If you go strictly off of service it’s not the most impressive line but in terms of the purpose it serves it is sooooo important! Strictly on the subway the S is the only train that links south and north Brooklyn. The G kinda does it but in a really long roundabout way. Without the S there’d be absolutely no way to get from bed stuy to say Flatbush or crown heights
The F train is back on 63 street now. What would you rank it this time?
F lol
why did you not show a video of the R142A 6 train
An r62 on the 2 line wow that's a surprise cause you never see r62s on the 2 line since it uses all new trains the r142s. So it's like back in the day all over again when the 2 used to use the r62s. Subway memories of the train all lines used to use back in the day.
The T line? Where the heck does the T line run. Looked on the Maps and never saw it.
Are employed by the MTA? If not do you want to be? NYCT? LIRR? MNR? C&D? MTA Bus?
As a tourist from Chicago, which is the better line to ride In your opinion?
If you want the best experience, I'd say the (A) or (7). Both lines have excellent views, and the (7) especially is extremely frequent.
Waiting for an uptown D at 59th during rush hour will make you lose your faith. It just completely vanishes during the busiest part of the day.
The B train is an S tier line, frequent service, howling R68/As and it connects me to most lines I need to transfer to. Also the R40S, R40M and R42s were legendary on the B train
i use to ride the N everyday to school and i have to say, altho it is my favorite line, i has lots of problems. Man i wish R160s was still there 😢
My rankings
(1)- A tier
(2)- B tier
(3)- C tier
(4)- B tier
(5)- B tier
(6/6X)- B tier
(7/7X)- S tier
(A)- C tier
(C)- C tier
(E)- B tier
(B)- D tier
(D)- C tier
(F)- D tier
(M)- C tier
(N)- D tier
(Q)- B tier
(R)- D tier
(W)- D tier
(L)- A tier
(42nd street shuttle)- A tier
(G)- C tier
(Rockaway Shuttle)- haven't ridden yet
(Franklin avenue shittle)- haven't ridden yet
(J)- haven't ridden yet
(Z)- also haven't ridden yet, but its basically nonexistent, so D tier
The B should run on the weekend for Brighton express
As someone from Brooklyn I think the D and N should be higher, and the F should be lower. It's too slow in Brooklyn and is a slog. Should run express permanently
I agree the F should run Exp in Brooklyn, but the D/N shouldn’t be much higher than where they are. Both have horrible, inconsistent gaps, and are pretty slow for getting to Coney Island.
@@MysticTransitputting the N and Z in the same section is crazy
your audio cuts out when ranking the 5 just to lyk
4:31 I agree
HOW di the chose to namr new kines,
Wy is (T) in D tier?
Because the T doesn’t exist yet
@@ClipsBy_amirprobably won’t exist, implementation for 2av subway probably won’t happen, instead the Q will be extended as the 125st crosstown all the way west instead. OR probably will exist but my guess till around 2029 😂
5 too
From a person who always used the N, I disagree with it being D tier, I do think it has fallen off when R160s got off of it for the Coney Island R46s and R68s, I would have given it a B easily when it had R160s, now every time I take it Brooklyn, the R would catch up to it from 59st to Atlantic Ave, when it’s supposed to be express! That’s insane! In terms of timings I think I get lucky, with it coming every 5-8 minutes, at worst being 10. Despite that I don’t think the line is that bad at all to use on a consistent basis, it does have some speed still in Manhattan, whilst rare now. For me it should at bare minimum have a C.
What really should be in d tier is the orange m like it's to much for any one and there's nothing special about it, it's just combination 2 limes into a worse piece of junk, for service just walk to woodhaven blvd for QBL/Q60, I don't understand how hard it is, this orange m is only made for disabled people or those that have 0 common sense in their lives. N should be b-tier while the z disgrace can join the orange M into the D tier like it's overrated.
Whats with the audio issues? Keep cutting off and lowered volume down there
The 1 needs some NTTs. The SMEEs on that line needs more work.
I believe on Astor pl on the 6 one of the platforms i believe it's the Brookly bridge bound one there is a store
Other lines I have something to say
42st shuttle-it's a good line i agree with S tier because some of the cars have designs on it
A-It's one of the longest if not the longest B division line in the system along with the F/R and is the line the MTA seems to be most focused on in terms of giving new trains as they gave that line R211 first over any other line
M-probably one of the weirdest lines in the system also the only lines that enters a borough twice and it
N-I kind of agree you on it being the worst line in the system if there is a subway incident its always the N and always in south Brooklyn
Z-I agree completely ITS USLESS TO MAKE IT BETTER MAKE IT RUN TO BROOKLY OR HAVE SOME MAJOR CONSTRUCTION ALONG JAMACIA AVENUE AND BROADWAY!
The 1 is my train! But wayyyy too often it's out of commission past 137th st, which makes it unuseable for me, and the "shuttles" are always so sketchy and not a replacement for the same route. B tier because of this, imo.
I like the B train, I miss those R40s!!!
B trains R 40’slants before fleet change to R68s and switching to concourse
The (B) still uses CI yard, and it got its R68/As from the (N) (Q) and (W), as did the (G) when it’s R46s went to the (A) and (C)
as a (G), (4), (5), and (6) rider (the only lines that i take pretty much daily), i really want to see some improvements on the (G). i always run into issues with train bunching, long headways, and missing the train because it was too short. i really do love when on the weekends the operators will speed things up a bit but i feel like the (G) should get more service somehow. waiting 8, 10, 12, or even 21 (longest headway on a (G) ive seen without a service change) minutes for a train is unacceptable for a line that is used relatively heavily. i'd like to see some extra trains come from either r179's that get displaced with the installation of the r211's on the (A) and possibly the (C) run on the (G) to either form more frequent 5-car trains or running 8-10 car trains. i think the first option would fit better as thr (G) just struggles from long headways. also, i feel like the (G) is still missing transfers. there are a few projects that would be a little more long term and expensive but would help with this. one is to consolidate the stations on the (J)/(M)/(Z) lines to allow for a transfer with the (G) at broadway. another is to connect the franklin ave shuttle to the bedford nostrand ave middle track, however that would be an even tougher project as the current northern terminus of the franklin ave shuttle is elevated and it would be tough to get it back underground to connect with the (G). but if we can decrease headways (maybe add like one or two trains) on the franklin ave shuttle, it would be a useful connection with the fulton st line, eastern pkwy line, and brighton line. i feel like the (G) has a lot of potential but it just isnt a priority right now which is kind of sad.
as for the (4) and (5), i feel like a lot of deinterlining can be done to get rid of delays at rogers jct and 149st. there always seems to be delays there, and i think one plan is to have the (3) run to dyre along with the current (2) configuration and have them seperate at E180st. this would solve the delays at 149st GC with (5) trains being limited to 10mph on the sharp curves there. while rebuilding the curves would be an option, i think a much simple option would be the suggested option. after the (5) gets displaced, it could either run with the (4) as a supplementary line allowing for peak direction express on jerome, or it could run on a future 3rd ave line. as for the harlem riders that are missing out on the (3) service, i think that a shuttle service could replace the (3) here as 135st station already has 3 tracks and it could be converted into a shuttle terminus as well as an island platform for the (2)/(3) going to the bronx. since 145st is already only able to service ~6 cars, a few 5 car sets of r62's could be set aside for this.
for the (6) line, i feel like there is a big issue with overcrowding on lex. all the time i see one train getting delayed because of long dwell times caused by overcrowding, and it caused that train to be running 4-12 mins behind schedule. often, to combat this, said train will run express, but it doesnt help much because the time for the next train will be further increased from the 4-12 mins original delay. but it gets worse, as trains tend to bunch following this, causing trains to run at incredibly slow speeds because of a train in front of them. the solution is either cbtc, better train scheduling, reconfiguring parkchester, but idk what else would solve it.
i could complain about more, but this comment is already an essay so ill leave it at that
but qbl, dekalb, 149, rogers, cranberry/fulton, and many more lines need to be deinterlined/fixed.
That plans is terrible and will do nothing more than shoot ourselves in the foot. As I say it and AGAIN, White Plains Road and dyre Avenue riders has a SERIOUS DEMAND for the East Side removing the 5 train Lexington Avenue line from white Plains Road is a AWFULLY ABYMAL idea!!! How the hell are people going to get to the east side without it. 149th Street Grand Concourse will become a dangerously CROWDED CRUSH LOADED NIGHTMARE, The (2) and (4) trains are already overcrowded with the way the system currently is. No matter what investment/expansion you make to 149th Street Grand Concourse even with a restored 3rd Avenue line the 2 and 4 trains will LITERALLY NEVER be able to handle that many people transferring you would be pissing off thousands of riders in the bronx!
Furthermore If the (2)(3) both serve The Bronx white plains road, there is no longer any service to the 145th Street or Harlem - 148th Street stations on the coverting that part into a shuttle is also shit too. since that would be screwing over everyone trying to get to midtown on Harlem. Like 135th street wasn’t designed for that overly complicated service patterns, the same for IRT Brooklyn. Rogers junction let’s face it it will never be perfect so their no use in even trying at this point. It actually works out. A lot of people use the (5) train on nostrand Avenue to get to Lexington Avenue. And a lot of people on the New Lots Avenue line uses the (3) train to get to 7th Avenue and the (3) train needs quick access to the Livonia Yard.
And before you come up with this delusional view that the loss of one rides can be “consolated by more service” well sorry buddy but I’m afraid that’s not how it works, Having the 5 run up Jerome would create a redundant service and over-serve Jerome Ave. The case could be made for more rush hours service on the line to allow the 4 to run express in the direction of traffic, but outside the rush, is there really a need for 40+ TPH or 2-3 minute constant service on Jerome or in all of IRT for that matter? The 5 would either become a rush hour-only route, which would be disastrous for Lexington Ave, or the rerouted trains would have to terminate at 149 St-Grand Concourse to continue providing service down the line, which would be a waste just to avoid a MERE MERGE ZONE! Like that’s the fatal flaw in these trash plans, they isn’t enough space to terminate and run over these trains meaning that will be an additional dwell times in the middle of stations waiting for the trains to depart the terminals like occasional when I ride the 2 train it sometimes get stuck on Nereid Avenue when both tracks on Wakefield 241st street are occupied actually more unnecessary extra capacity will worsen this issue and Dyre Avenue definitely for a fact cannot handle the extra service, part of the reason with those select rush hour 5 trains start and end at nereid avenue, and that’s to not only allow for easier east side access on the northern white plains road line but to allowed for extra Lexington Avenue express service without over serving Dyre Avenue line. Is there honestly a NEED FOR THAT MANY SERVICE is the ENTIRE subway system for that matter? These are just formers throwing tantrums over the fact these trains ain’t running every 1 minute apart for each other. 149th street curve barely costs any delays compared to Roger junctions and dekalb avenue.
I could tell that you have barely or never even ridden the 2 3 4 5 trains before in the Bronx or Harlem. IRT has the best on time performance ever every 3- 7 minutes is excellent for MTA Standards. Reverse branching doesn’t automatically means bad.
God, I hate you rail enthusiasts OBSESSING over de-interlining like it's this grand magic bullet that will make NYC Subway perfect and act like reverse branching catalyst of all problems...!
We can all agree that our nyc mass transit system suffers from many problems, but the solution isn't to RADICALLY change the system because a group of transit fanboys so dearly want to see their favorite subway line on a different route.🤦♂️
@@Amiri_Francislet them do what ever they want. Till we find out how the system finds it's footing.
@@Amiri_Francis its just trying to improve the subway with the structures we already have. if you want to fantasize about some new subway line or expansion, go ahead, but it would probably take years and more money than the mta can make from selling bonds that it wouldnt be feasible. the whole subway system could be much better as you can see from this video. and im not even playing favorites, im just saying that it can help improve the subway. a little bit goes a long way, and if youre fine with the aging subway system as it is, then i dont know what to say to you, but you can think that. im not stopping you. but im guessing and hoping that you want to make it better, and if so, i would like to hear your plans.
G seems to run extremely infrequently on weekend mornings btw. And now they’re doing the night time project for the upgrade. So it’s a bit of a mess but hoping it gets better in the coming years. Because I agree - a lot of people take it.
I think you might have audio troubles on the 5 line. Can you at least delete it, fix it and then reupload it with the improved audio.
Overall my favorite for the number lines are (1),(3),(6), and (7) .
I like the N ride it daily doesnt have those long wait times for me
Fun fact: N stands for never, so it is totally normal for it to have poor headways 😂
Is it just me or did the r46s start aging more once they went to Coney Island
R46s are older than the R68s
I was at Nostrand Avenue , I would have to ending wait NINETEEN MINUTES
My rankings
(1) - B Tier
(2) - A Tier
(3) - A Tier
(4) - A Tier
(5) - C Tier (huge mess and horrible headways on weekends and late nights.)
(6) - B Tier
(7) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN
(A) - C Tier (a huge pain on some weekends when it goes via the F)
(B) - S Tier nuff said
(C) - A Tier (faster than the A somehow for being a local train)
(D) - B Tier (Atrocious headways in Brooklyn)
(E) - C Tier (horrible headways at Canal Street)
(F) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN
(FX) - no. just no. (D Tier)
(G) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN
(L) - A Tier
(M) - A Tier
(N) - A Tier
(Q) - basically a express N (B Tier)
(R/W) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN
(J) - HAVEN'T RIDDEN
(Z) - Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z (Z Z)
(S) - S Tier, very fast
(T) - just use the M15 SBS (D Tier)
(SF) - A Tier
(SR) A Tier, got the R160 update
(SIR) - we have busses for a reason (D Tier)
I want what ur having cuz the (D) cannot be higher than a B, especially in Brooklyn where headways can be atrocious as 12-14 minutes
@@darchon65u right smh imma update it
I like the 4 over the 5
Also the 1 train in the summer be death, no AC
You pull out the New York accent more for the tier lists than your informative videos, it’s welcome and a smart decision
My rating isn't any where nearly as sophisticated as yours is. I like the IND best, then the BMT, and then the IRT. That is due their modernity and track layout. The IND has the most modern track layout, and the IRT, for the most part, is more primitive due to mostly being built earlier. The B, D, and F are my most favourite because of the routings. I rode the F once 8 or so years ago from 34th St to Jamaica and back hoping for a racy express run under Queens Blvd. I was disappointed because the local overtook us. I'm not privy to what the holdup was for. I should have gone up 8th Ave if I wanted a fast express ride, I suppose. I'm not an expert on your operations, as I'm from a suburb on the west side of Toronto, Ontario, and don't come there often enough.
Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
p.s. Our Yonge-University-Spadina Line in the core section has trains run every 90 seconds; Eat your heart out. It's boring, but very, very functional.
I remember my dad telling me he got his money stolen on the D train, such as his backpack (it had photos of me and everything) that was why he didn’t arrive home. I’m still scared of it to this day. I also hate it alot.
1:46 right
15 Minute Wait cuz a R68 N has problem at this point let like the N Q W get a small portion of R211s if the R46s and R68/As are in the worst condition
Nope. R68s all are going to Broadway. R211 are going to 8th Ave and 6 Ave after CBTC
@@williamerazo3921 so annoying. broadway is one of my fav lines and they throw in the worst trains
My rankings:
(1) B Tier
(2) C Tier
(3) A Tier
(4) C Tier
(5) S Tier
(6) A Tier (also includes )
(7) A Tier (also includes )
(S42) A Tier
(A) D Tier
(B) S Tier
(C) B Tier
(D) D Tier
(E) B Tier
(F) A Tier (also includes )
(G) B Tier
(J)/(Z) B Tier
(L) D Tier
(M) B Tier
(N) B Tier
(Q) C Tier
(R) D Tier
(SFA) C Tier
(SRP) B Tier
(W) C Tier
I live on the B in The Bronx
I’ll also get Sea Beach as well
Great video but the volume needs to be fixed
Agreed with the (6) & (7) in S Tier.
The MTA better give the Pelham line the NTT quick. I’m sick of those old cars.
2 and 4 hold the number trains in Brooklyn
This is just service frequency, but putting the 6 Train in S Tier is very controversial, because I personally don’t see it as a very good train especially if you life north of Union Square and south of 59th is just drama
The A train is just too kong if a line qith two terminals in Queens.
Well the A only runs 12tph with the 2 terminals it runs to, meaning that you have 6tph on each line which is too low. Any line that runs towards those branches needs all the capacity that it can get. Bear in mind the A with the C runs 17tph combined which is what’s proposed for CPW on the Local Track.
To fix the A and C lines they would have to become separate lines and the A would have to be chopped back to WTC, but in return this changes the A line’s northbound terminal to Norwood 205th St. I can’t believe I didn’t say this but with the A funneling 17tph on Concourse you can have excess 10 car sets for the G which it needs to be a full length train. The G has enough sets to make 9 full length sets, and with that it gets 7 totaling 15. That plus the R179s can come in handy for the G as it would have enough sets to be a full length train.
For the C it won’t be running on CPW anymore as we are moving it to the QBL to 179th St, since we’re having the C take over the branches East of Euclid, we have the E join the C on Cranberry and Fulton. The E remains as it is in Queens but In Manhattan it would go express to Fulton. Once on the IND Fulton St Line the C would be the line moved to the Express tracks while the E gets the local tracks. This also means the the C takes over the 3 branches that the A had.