Which is faster? The (F) Train Vs. The (G) Train
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- The (G) Train is the only subway line (besides the shuttles) that does not enter Manhattan. This makes it a pretty good choice for Brooklyn/Queens Travel. In this video, we put it to the test and see which is faster, the (F) Train that goes through Manhattan to get between Brooklyn and Queens, and the (G), which goes straight through.
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This is exactly why the G Train is underrated in terms of what railfans think about the line. The G will get even better with CBTC
I agree!
yes, but Manhattan is still where ‘it’ is (nobody wants to ride a ‘boring’ subway line)
us G riders have always known this. However you must properly time leaving the house or you'll be waiting in 10 minute headways during morning rushhour
1) You thought of this a little too late. This would have been great to do a few months ago when the F was rerouted over the 53 St. Tunnel while the 63rd St. Tunnel was getting track work. The race would have been much more competitive as the F would have stopped at Court Square. However, the G would still win because of not going through Manhattan.
2) This proves what the builders of the IND had in mind by having a route that did not go into Manhattan. They wanted a quicker route for riders that wanted to reach Brooklyn from the Queens Blvd and Flushing lines. It serves that purpose, however, as the years went on and the city became even more developed and "white collar", the fact the G does not provide a 1 seat ride to Manhattan did not (and still doesn't) go over well.
he made multiple videos talking about it at the time when the F was re routed. you can check. it was called de-intetlining the F and M, or The F and M swap, sum like that.
Well yeah but there’s really no point, F via 53 st isn’t even the regular route anyway. Better to do what it actually is.
I wish you did this back when the F was on 53rd a few months ago.
Still would of lost
@@59_xgx Definitely, but it would convince a larger variety of people who travel between Queens and Brooklyn
Glad someone else said it. Also nice pfp
Your numbering scheme offer would be most welcome. I moved from NYC when R-33s were all the rage on the A division. Their originating yard would be of interest, too. Thanks for the work!
The (G) Is Faster Because The (F) Train Has Horrible Wait Times While The (G) Train Usually Has Like 3 Minute Wait Times At Church Avenue.
The G on weekends.
@@brayand8022 when I went to church Avenue it was a weekday
yeah, I don't get it: What TF happened to the F?
@@DannyEastVillage the “G” that’s what happened to the “F”. That seventh letter in the alphabet is always in the way.
Nah the G waits can be not great either, but it’s usually not bad. The F is kinda hit or miss
This was just without Crosstown CBTC and with that coming for the G line I expect it to be faster than 23 minutes, and with trains closer together it would be best for the F to go express so that the G is completely deinterlined. Allowing both lines to be frequent and with the R211 order coming in hot we could see longer trains on the G in the future.
Try convincing the MTA to not listen to the people of Park Slope so heavily. They’re the reason it doesn’t do it full time.
Great video. I think the new line IS needed. If the G doesn't go to Forest Hills anymore, where does it stop.
When I was in the Navy my ship was in Brooklyn Navy yard. So I'd go home at night to Forest Hills. One train ride, perfect. Only time it didn't work out for me was when I went with my friends for a few beers before leaving for home and I fell asleep. I woke up where I started back in Brooklyn. Boy,that had me confused for a while.
Unless G line ridership magically increases, it's not getting longer trains.
Please do more of this. It support the idea that give how little investment the (G) has, if it had a more consistent focus and investment you'd have much better service and likely get times down into the high teens or lower.
Definitely would like to see you post a video about car numbers.
The Story I'm about to tell was over 35 years ago when there was no 2nd Ave line & the E & F train went through the 53rd St tube.
I got on the F train at Parsons Blvd in Queens heading to 4th Ave in Brooklyn meaning going through the city. When I got to Queens Plaza, The G was across the platform heading into Brooklyn. (G train Used to begin in Forest Hills) I took the train to Bergen St to change back to F train. I was drinking two beers, I had a bag of Trophy's roasted nuts I was eating. I also remembered the car number. I got off at Bergen St. When the following F train came after the G left, I was surprised to find the same car with my plastic bag of two empty Becks bottles & my peanuts. So back then, it really didn't make a difference...
Great story!! those were horrible years on the subway. Nothing worked properly,maddening delays, and electrical fires on the tracks multiple times every week..
G train Should Have 8 cars or at least 10 cars
That'd be very beneficial for the G
I agree, let the G also be the adult with 10 cars, too!!!
The G had ten cars in the 70's! Bring back the 10 car G trains and stop making people run down the platform because train stops half way down the platform!
@@john345 I agree, 5-car G trains is completely asinine, LOL!!!
yup. It's even crowded weekends.
No contest here. The (G) wipes out the (F) when it comes to saving time.
Fax bro, I don’t know why some people don’t understand that.
Next: which is faster to Times Square from The Bronx? 2 alone, or 5 with 7/S transfer?
The 5 is much faster
Thanks for the tip on B train helpful to avoid taking the D instead of the B when you’re in a rush and can’t see the rollsign
You would think the G train would be fast due to its relatively high speed since it doesn't make as many stops like the F train does.
G is shorter, It's like a shuttle in a nutshell, but better and somewhat in a fast manor
14:05 yea u should do a video on that
They should put up signs at Court Square that say "if you're going to Brooklyn, the G will get you there faster". Same thing at the Brooklyn stops that are shared by the F and G, but for those going to Queens.
I knew the G was going to win just because I used to live near East Broadway and I worked in Times Square, that trip alone is about 20 minutes. It takes 10 mins to get to W.4th. You may wait longer for the G, but if you have your timing down, it will always beat the F.
Anyone else notice how fast the "Holiday Nostalgia Train" (Shopper's Special), or "Museum Train" on the M line during Christmas time, moves from its starting point in Queens all the way down to the LES ??? Those old American Car & Foundry subway cars can cook! And the operators seem to enjoy the unrestricted speed at their disposal.
U should of recorded this during the 63rd street construction
You definitely should consider making a video on car types and differences between them
The D and Q and N from coney to Dekalb Avenue will be a good one 👍🏾 I'm going with the D train
D / N potential holdup with each other, while neither stops at Dekalb….Q can get held up by B, but usually more of a hiccup if so and should generally win regardless (more of a straight run, even going local)
@Metsfan7232 the Q,N,D all have 19 stops after 10pm from coney island to Dekalb Avenue they will be a good comparing because we can see witch faster to DeKalb due to they speed on brighten and sea Beach and west end line......
@@cuttyf74 if betting money I would still put it all on the Q (somewhat because tower signals stay all clear for it in Brooklyn)
@@Metsfan7232 how much u wanna bet?
@@cuttyf74 none just because we don’t know each other personally
I wish the original Builders of the Culver line made it four tracks so that the F could serve as an Express in Brooklyn and the G could go local to Coney Island
They could do it in the peak direction in rush hour, but I think it would be pretty unpopular along McDonald Avenue. Most riders still want Manhattan.
There was a time when half the F trains did that, but that didn't make too many people other than transit fans happy. The NX was fun too, but who rode it?
During the 1964 Worlds Fair someone got the bright idea to run a G express on what was then the GG route, going nonstop from Hoyt-Schermerhorn to Forest Hills. I think I was the only passenger on the eight-car train. It didn't last long.
This is not something special to talk about. It is obvious that the G train would get to Court Square first. There are less stops, far less people getting on and off and the “G” makes no across the platform connect. Oh and did I mention it has to share tracks with the “M” in Manhattan….. anyway one of the problems with the F is the “G” train blocking its way a lot. Especially around Church ave in both directions.
Better test would have been a test of running times between 74th / Roosevelt IND platform and Bergen Street. You need four riders at the same time. There are two races for each rider. The overall clock starts as soon as one if the four trains arrives at Roosevelt. The individual clock starts when each rider's train shows up. The overall race ts essentially a foot race. The individual race will reveal the quickest way, depending on which train shows up first.
Rider 1 takes the first F train to Bergen St direct. No changes.
Rider 2 takes the first M train to 23rd St ely and changes for G train to Bergen St.
Rider 3 takes first E train to 23rd St - Ely and changes for G train to Bergen St.
Rider 4 takes first M train and changes to F train at any 6th Avenue local stop. They have an option to change to any 6th Ave express train, should one be waiting across the platform at Rocky, Bryant, or 34th St / Herald Sq, and change to an F at Broadway-Laffayette. They might catch / pass an F train between 34th and Broadway-Laffayette.
First to Bergen wins.
The results will vary each time this race is run, but it is a more representative test of how effective the G-train is as a throughput to service further out in Queens, and how much time is lost going through Manhattan conpared to changing and waiting for transfers. These should be considered in any analysis. The shortest time from one's train arriving at Roosevelt and arrival at Bergen will reveal the shortest duration, but may not be the quickest way depending on what shows up first.
You should have taken the B at 47th st to Broadway-Lafayette then taken the F from there. Would have saved you at least 15 minutes and is probably what a local subway rider would have done.
6th Avenue express is only 2-3 minutes faster than 6th Avenue local. So it wouldn't have worked.
Really loved this video! It had a bit of a Geoff Marshall “let’s do an experiment” vibe that was really fun to watch!
This would be even more convenient if ALL of Court Square was fully wheelchair accessible.
Agreed. It wasn't until I recorded this video that I realized the (E/M) platforms aren't fully accessible.
Well here is an idea. You should do the (A) and (L) from 8th & 14th to Broadway Junction.
Great video
Would love to see a video comparing travel times from 34 th St to Stillwell Ave on B,D,F,N,Q trains
I've seen a lot of people suggest this. I'll definitely consider it for a future video!
Considering that the F train runs to Jamaica and the G train runs to Court Square, it depends on how long service is on the line and how it would impact delays and any service changes. However the F train is a reliable line that runs fast between Coney Island and Broadway-Lafayette St, but although the M train has less trains running during the Midday hours. The G however is a reliable train because it doesn’t reach Manhattan, but depends on how long you wait.. for example from Hoyt Street to Metropolitan Avenue is about a 25 minute ride, but service are upgrading their signal system making trains run faster than they usually are back in 2022 and 2023. To answer this question, I hardly doubt that these two lines via the Culver Line are fast trains. Mostly in Manhattan, more F trains run during the Midday hours to either Kings Hwy or Coney Island. Although they should make the G train run more frequently instead of whatever trains have scheduled for the AM/PM or Midday trains. As of the F train that shares the M between Broadway-Lafayette Street and Rockefeller, it causes more train congestion and delays
Must have been TA president Richard Davey on that F train that sped through Manhattan into Brooklyn faster than a G train. He ORDERED the driver to do it!!!
those R160s from Jamaica Yard be making some funny noises LOL
This video was cool. Definitely do another one like this but this time for the 2 and 5 trains and how long it takes to go from 149st grand concourse to Flatbush Ave Brooklyn College
The G is faster in general
Next race idea 168 to 59 street Columbus circle on the 1 A and C train
that makes much more sense than comparing the F to the G. Except make it between 168 and W4 St and 168 and Christopher.
@@DannyEastVillage A train blows everyone out of the water, 1 train second, c train in dead last.
To address the multiple comments saying you should've done this while the F was still on 53 St, I wonder what the times would've been if the wait times at Rockefeller Center were subtracted. At least for the southbound trip, because 18:40 shows a clear winner for the northbound trip.
Yet the F via 53rd isn't the default, so it's good that you didn't stop the timer, because that's what most people will face within our lifetimes lol.
Cool video 😎 I never knew anything about the numbers on the subway cars. Interesting fact. Thanks for explaining 😎👍
The G goes exceptionally fast after Lorimer to get to Nassau and then from Greenpoint to get to 21st.
I think you should do the same idea except with the 2 vs 5 when it comes to grand concourse to borough hall
I remember when the g would go to 71 St. Awesome one seat ride with out transferring
0:34 Court Square, in Manhattan
G has similar time both ways, meaning no significant timetable padding involved on that line - $2.90 well spent overall, well done - meanwhile would love a numbering explainer video, looking forward to it \m/
Should've done this when they were doing the 63rd street re- construction
Could've cheated a little bit by taking that B train! Might've been able to catch that F train at West 4th Street and play the cards that you're dealt, rules aside XD
I definitely considered it, but it wouldn't have been fair
I would love to see you make a video on the car numbers for each train model. For example: if it in the 6000s or 7000s then it’s a R142.
I'm old enough to remember the days when people used to let you off the train before they step in. 😅
Coming from Jackson Heights QNS, the G is really a fast shortcut into Brooklyn.
But Ive lost count of the amount of times I’ve missed My G train because of that long transfer at Court Square as you can see 1:21 😭
It's the dwell times on 6th Ave at York St, Delancey, Broadway Lafayette, 14th, 23rd all the way to Queensbridge. The busiest station on the G is Hoyt, Metropolitan and Court Sq itself.
You should do a comparison between the 7 express and 7 local, since the 7 express has been cut in half, I’d like to see if it’s worth taking the express or local
The G beats the F by a longshot, F the F, LOL!!!🤣
I'm courious about the train sets, which can do CBTC or not and what country manufrached them
I very much enjoyed all this footage of the New York subway. It has a certain ambience, you know?
6:40 Bro over here doing his timing analysis on the trains, meanwhile there's 2 people just casually making out like they're about to record OF content.😂
this was such nice video. u goated for this thanks
In terms of Saving time, I commute Between the Fulton St line and the 4th Ave Line for Work, So my Direct Trandfer would be at Jay St A to the R
However Sometimes I save a whopping 15 mins Transfering to the G at Schermerhorn, and then the R At 9th-4th Ave Really Says a lot
The G is definitely faster under ideal circumstances, but with a huge "but". If you're coming from the Queens Blvd corridor, just the seriously long walk alone for that transfer and the wait for the G at times at Court Square can erase the time savings pretty quickly. I used to work in Red Hook and would connect to QBL at Roosevelt Ave. The only time in my experience the G was viable wast the evening rush or night Queensbound, where it seemed to be more reliable. Going Southbound from Court Square there were times mid-day you could lose 20 minutes alone making the connection and waiting for the next departing train. In practice, you were better off staying on an F train coming from QBL than gambling on that transfer. If the F comes first at Roosevelt, take it and don't even gamble on an E/G transfer.
The G was an underrated gem when it served QBL as well if you wanted to go to Brooklyn, but cutting it at Court Square made it far less useful.
From deeper reaches of Queens, nothing beats LIRR Atlantic branch, which really should be made a Rapid Transit route given its depreciation as a LIRR terminal, and would have added utility if they reopened the abandoned but still existing Woodhaven Blvd stop.
Great Video as always!
The G is faster than the F ngl tbh
The G Is Way Faster
You said "and court Sq in Manhattan" when it's in queens lol
I wish they also had this go to the Bronx, it would’ve allowed for Queens to Bronx travel.
Ret. C/R. In the day, running time given the F was 1 hr, 26 min. Rule of thumb was half hour 179 st. to Queens Plaza, half hour more to Jay St, the rest to Stillwell. I say cutting off the G from Queens Plaza is a bourgeois attempt to stop the hoi polloi from riding what is now the personal vehicle of the newly gentrified Court Sq.-Brklyn waterfront - Fulton St. corridor. Let the poor suffer the longer ride, like you did
I figure this. I think time work be different if you time from wire bridge and court square
The "F" is express. So it is faster.
Back in the 1980s. The GG always seem to catch the "F" as the "F" passed. The "R" even more so. Not so the "N" if you that old.
For some reason, i wasn't to happy with the "G" when it separated from the "F" and ("E"). Maybe it was the wrong day.
The "G" takes a windy route in Brooklyn. It isn't straight.
It seems unreasonable to compare a route specifically designed to connect Brooklyn with Queens to a patch-up of two lines designed to connect each of those boroughs with Manhattan. And this would have been true even when the F and G both ran between, say, Bergen Street and Queens Plaza. The F didn't even go to Brooklyn between the 1954 Culver connection and the 1967 Chrystie Street connection. Its return to the Culver line was made inevitable by the installation of the express track's between 34th and West 4th.
The IND route designations, at least until the MTA swapoed the north ends of the B and C, rigidly conformed to the trunk and north-end radial lines of a service, but the south ends were often reassigned. As an extrene example, the D train at various times during my lifetime terminated in Manhattan, ran to Coney Island via the Culver line, ran to Coney Islsnd via the Brighton Line, and now runs to Coney Island via the West End Line. The GG/G has always been a Brooklyn-Queens crosstown, although its endpoints have shufted south a bit.
It would totally be different for the both of them if the G goes to forest hills
Makes sense. The G is one train and a more direct route
11:53 N Train via 6th Ave REOL
The G is fast due to the 5 car R160A and B
A shame this wasn't done 25 years ago back when the G used to run to Forest Hills.
Thank God, you did not get an F express
The (G) at the very least needs to be extended to Kings Highway if not the full route to Coney Island.
If only the F still served Court Square....
Here's a vid idea: race the 7 and E to/from Northern Queens
No actually the 2 and 5, the 5 between Flatbush and East 180 and the same thing for the 2 train
Mystic transit i love ur vids
Is it true that the mta is planning on sending the 7 train to New Jersey?
Waiting time should be included. G trains don't run as frequently.
Why Should The G Run To Forest Hills Late Nights And Weekends 1 The M Runs To Delancy St Then Cuts Even More To Myrtle Ave And The R Only Runs To Whitehall St So Having The G To Forest Hills Can Help M And R Train Loss 2nd The R Cant Handle The Crowding On Weekends Ao G To Forest Hills Is Great 3 During The F Running To 53rd Or When The F Derailment At Neptune Ave The G Could Have Step Up And Help F Train Service Or When The M Only Ran To 57th Street
What if you take the f Express? And your destination is Church avenue
What if you do 42nd street Vs Franklin and Rockaway shuttles
I miss your channel
This
I wonder why they didn’t keep F train on 53 instead of 63 street tunnel
Unfortunately Bergen st isn't a turn around station
The G is faster since it goes directly to Brooklyn instead of having to go through Manhattan
If you eliminate the transfer time from the F and M the G isn’t much faster
If there's any good reason fir the G not to continue to Continental Avenue on weekends, I'd like to know what it is. The R alone is inadequate for the heavily-used lical stops on the Queens Line.
Changing where services run on weekends can be pretty confusing for riders, plus, most people are going into Manhattan, which the (G) doesn't do. This would force more riders onto express trains at Roosevelt/Queens Plaza, overcrowding both the platforms and the trains at those stations.
@@MysticTransit Why would it force more people onto express trains? I'm not proposing reducing the R local service, only supp ki cementing it.
Part of the problem is that the MTA worries too much about its passengers being stupid. If passengers can cope with the JA being labelled J and the JB.being labelled Z, they can cope with a service being extended on weekends.
It was national train 🚂 day yesterday
Who would think the F is faster when the F goes local in manhattan
Ye And Why Does The F Not Run Culver Express
Were there any cuts because it looked like some stops were skipped
Isn't interlining Wonderful!
“The G-Train, Nermal!”
Yea car numbers
Honestly Both F and G is fast people just needa stop hating
Mystiic 😃
If the g would go to 71st ave you could have raced from Queen Plaza to Bergen st the G would win
Wow He Uses His Real Voice Not Like Over It
To be honest I don't know which subway train is faster
The G is faster and a live saver lol
F train is faster because on rush hours F trains are express
When was this recorded ?
Over a week ago