The Walking Dead What If Frank Darabont Was Not Fired?
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- What If Frank Darabont was not fired by AMC and was allowed to continue as the showrunner for The Walking Dead after season 2? In this video I will be talking about what Frank Darabont's original vision was and how he would of change the story of the walking dead in the later seasons. Maybe with Frank in charge the show might not of been cancelled after season 11 and might of had a proper ending. With one show runner maybe some characters like Andrea, Carl and Rick might have made it all the way to the final season?
Spoiler warning: there will be heavy spoilers for The Walking Dead
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Firing the same person who directed the Shawshank redemption is definitely an interesting decision.
Perfect version of the show would be Sophia being found alive, Dale living on, Andrea living on, Carl not dying, Rick never leaving. Maybe Shane leaving and coming back later.
I think shane had to die, but the way the show did it was kinda boring. In the comic at least carl is the one who did it, which added some shock value and was way more compelling than the show making him shoot zombie shane instead.
I think Darabont had a much firmer grasp on the tone and themes of the comic than the other showrunners. Season 1 feels like the most comic accurate not because it follows the comics exactly, but it FEELS the most like the comics. Days Gone By alone has so much atmosphere. I think overall we would have gotten a much better show than the one we got if he had stayed in charge.
Not to say I don't like TWD, I do. But it is heavily flawed and inconsistent. I think the show remaining in one showrunners hands the whole way through would have gotten rid of that inconsistency, and since Darabont was the best showrunner imo, he would have been the best pick.
Edit: Also, I don't think he would have turned it into an anthology. A few bottle episodes here and there doesn't equate an anthology. I remember reading in an interview that he said that he'd "occasionally" veer off into unexpected territory like the tank walker episode. It wouldn't be all that common. Also, the point of the tank walker episode was to show the fall of Atlanta, and (more importantly) show how Dale and Andrea met to set up their relationship being fleshed out.
Darabont wanted a better budget but AMC wanted to keep it on the cheap!
AMC really held this show back. It could of been so much better if it had the budget
@@HoboDucks Imagine walking dead on HBO or something, it would have been insanely good I bet
It would of been such a great show.
@@HoboDucks It could have been. You're right.
T-dog, Dale, Andera, Merle 100% all would have lived much longer. Such a shame T-dog was basically written out in the second half of s2 after Darabont left. Micheal Rooker(merle) admitted the show killed him off because AMC was cheap and didn't want to pay him more money for season 4. If Darabont had the budget he wanted Merle could have lasted much longer. Andera would have had such a better arc who knows she could have still been in show 5-10 years later if Darabont doesn't Get fired. Dale man. Can't imagine how good seasons 3-5 could have been with dale still alive. Such a major character in season 1 with so much potential as did T-dog. But happy for the Great 2 seasons we got to see them. Safe to say season 1 is the best season with season 2 2nd. Although season 3-6 were action pack and has some good episodes nothing compares to Darabont's episodes.
He should’ve took over fear
Imagine how good fear would of gotten.
@@HoboDucks I'm just sad that Fear: The Walking Dead is ending, even tho I watched the first half of Season 8
He would've made the military make sense and get fired again lmao
There wouldn’t of been fear
The show would be awesome with him. Just the hints he has already placed in season 1, such as that after the dream come true about the horde in the camp, the thing with the mangroves, the boat and Sophia could come true at some point, or that the researchers in France might have a cure, but are cut off by the failure of the equipment, show what kind of writing inspired by Sopranos and Breaking Bad we could have gotten. Imagine Frank wanted to use the CDC episode as the beginning of a slow developing arc that ends with the final of the show where maybe people get infected without being bitten or death, cause the virus mutated and that would be the reason why the doc telled rick that everybody has it in their bodies, which he realizes then, cause the doc suspected the possibility of an mutation which activates the process. So after the zombies slowly die cause they rot and the bases finally would be stable and moving forward, this would force them to go out again and search for that laboratory in France where the series would end.
You can tell season 1 and 2 fell super different in season 1 the atmosphere was tense I know the first time I watched it I was on the edge of my sit and seeing the walkers the first time creeped me out then season 2 they weren’t as creepy and they kept using the “group finds a safe place they stay there for a while then they introduce a villain the groups fight the villain loses or dies everyone loses there bases survives group up to make a new group” and they start the arch again with a new base and villain
I agree on some points, disagree on others. Some points I find difficult to predict.
- I agree that we would have had a different experience with Darabont as Showrunner, if he hadn't been canned early in S2. However, I also genuinely don't think he would have stayed as showrunner (past about S4.) His very early plans were to have Chic Eglee and/or Jack LoGiudice become showrunners in S2 and for him to move up. (Of course this got messed up with Eglee & LoGiudice "phoned in" their S1 script.) I really do think that Darabont would have moved into a position similar to what Gimple is in now. Darabont would still had some creative control, but wouldn't be involved in every episode.
- Darabont did have plans to start S2 with the Tank Walker episode. However, when the budget was cut for S2, the plans were axed because it would be too expensive to film. In fact, Darabont never wrote the script for it.
- Darabont sketched out the entire story arc for S2 and finished the script for the first 7 episodes of S2 before he was canned. So there wouldn't have been any anthology episodes filmed in S2.
As for some of the characters
- Dale would have lived through S2 and likely would have followed his comic arc
- Hershel might have died in S2. It was originally planned for Randal to kill him S2, but this was changed.
- Andrea would have had a better fate. Her horrid arc with the Governor would have never happened and she would have followed much of her comic arc.
- Rick - this is difficult to say for sure, but I still think Andrew Lincoln decides to go back to England (although it maybe it would have just been for a 1/2 season or 1 season break)
- Carl - also difficult to say. If Andrew Lincoln had stayed, I think it's more likely that he would have been kept. (I still think they would have needed to sacrifice a character to convince Rick to spare Negan, but there would have been options)
The hard part to predict is how much control Darabont would have had vs AMC. One of the problems all of the showrunners experienced was that AMC wanted to drag out certain story arcs - (the farm arc, the Governor arc, the war vs the Saviors.) I think we agree that if Darabont had control, the series would have moved at a faster pace - possibly wrapping it up in 10 season.
Had Frank Darabont and Dave Erickson weren't fired, both shows would've stayed constantly fresh all the time with their potential ideas they have.
I can maybe see Lori dying in S4 when the Governor comes back to attack the prison. Shane receiving that baseball bat to the head along with Tyreese in S7 imagine that. I see Frank keeping these two main characters besides Rick and Carl for around much longer.
Different Variant Walkers posing huge major threats throughout each Season.
Of course, I wanted more webisodes for small minor characters that we never got to saw what happened to them.
Thank you so much for this video!!! ive been thinking alot about this lately and its so cool someone made a video essay about this😁
Thank you for the comment.
Such a shame this show never quite worked, even though it had so much going for it there were too many creative differences early on which killed an overarching vision for the show... Such a shame because so many of the cast were perfect
the thumbnail of this video makes it look like rick is pointing his gun at frank darabont
variant walkers would be the whole show
and dale would be alive
Very true.
Bro looks like John Locke from lost
From my own research over a decade ago, Merle was often thrown around to be a luring threat.
Darabont and his fired writing team (due to Budget cuts) had a basic outline that was later scrapped after AMC revealed they would lower the budget and demand double the episodes, after Frank was fired, Mazzara was left with mere framework he would change mostly episode 4 and onwards.
So theres effectively two season 2s we didn't get.
The one Frank originally intended and the one AMC forced him to do with budget cuts.
The show was effectively no longer his when his intended vision was massively held back.
From the original intention, the prison would've been in season 2, likely reducing thr farm's story to a mere 2 episodes as Frank was somewhat angry AMC asked for 12 episodes and a lower budget.
This gives me the impression season 2 would've been 8-10 episodes and would've ended right around comic Rick's infamous " we are the walking dead" speech, or possibly the introduction of the governor.
Hershel also would've died likely as Dale replaced his death, though Mazzara could've possibly been the one to have written that as he loved shocking deaths and considered killing off Beth and or Carl in season 3.
The big differences would be the walkers would actually be far more dangerous, we see in cut season 2 footage of Shane barely outrunning a horde, this is later demonstrated by his and otis' encounters in which both struggle to simply jog away.
The walkers in season 1 and early season 2 would fast walk and lunge, some could climb, open doors, nothing too advanced like say Romero's zombies, just basic instinct.
We also see Jim hallucinate walkers during his death, this later happens to shane and is likely leftover from Darabont since Mazzara never does it again in season 3.
Andrea's actress revealed she was given a 8 year contract and was to marry Dale in the show, Darabont in another interview mentioned she was never intended to be a love interest for Rick.
Every season also would've had a solo episode backstory somewhat important walkers we've seen. Season 2's would've been the tank Walker from episode 1. This was because according to Darabont, every walker has a story.
We likely would've seen more personal walker moments instead of background props that are treated as gore balloons.
Think back to the suit zombie in season 1, bicycle lady, the sewer walker, the jawless one, the deer one. Each would've had it's own design instead of the later season all grey.
This likely means we would see more singular zombie action where the hordes we see in the show would've been saved for crucial moments like Rick being attacked or Otis' demise.
There is 15 minutes cut from season 2 indicted the vatos gang in season 1 were eliminated by a mysterious group, likely the governor. However again, any footage Darabont made of season 2 was his neutered version due to massive budget cuts and more episodes.
As for my own speculations on what we could've seen if Darabont was given the budget his vision needed,
Shane likely would've died on the way to the Prison in similar fashion and setting he did in the comics, however he also could've possibly taken comic Tyrese's death as he and Rick share similar leadership conflict that Tyrese and Rick did in the comics.
Whether Donna or Allen and Tyrese would've been added in season 2 is somewhat a mystery.
We do know Kirkman opposed the CDC plot so Frank did like going his own route to add more content and add unique stories.
Theres really not much else we know.
I do wonder who the governor would've been played by. David Morrissey likely wouldn't have gotten the role.
The show would've progressed faster than the show but with more content and likely no bottle episodes.
Season 3 had a few smart walkers.
I think I remember there is one in episode 8 maybe but it was not smart like season 1 and 2 walkers.
Daryl is literally my favourite character of all time so I’m glad he got fired. I hate what Scott Gimple did to season 7 and 8 because he became to greedy as the show was popular so i was really happy when Angela Kang took over but let’s not forget that season 4, 5 and 6 was all Gimple and he did a fantastic job with those 3 seasons. If he didn’t drag the saviour arc for 2 whole fucking season with filler and bottle episodes TWD would’ve been a lot more better and we wouldn’t have those millions viewers leaving the show
It would have been so cool 😭 literally season 3 was just them doing basic tasks like farming
I think that was season 4 season 3 was all about the governor and settling in the prison
What do you think his plans would be about Glenn? Would he keep the source material or change it entirely?
If he's saying darabont sticks to the comics then glenn would've still got his brain bashed in with Lucille.
I don’t think Glen would die still. I think he is a character that would have to die no matter what because without his death Maggie cannot progress as a character and a leader.
I hate how almost everyone thinks Darabont was a God and made great choices. He probably would've messed things up. He definitely wouldn't have gave Rick that red machete era and many fans loved that. Rick and Michonne have a lot more in common than Rick and Andrea did. One thing about Darabont's decision making was he wasn't the one who made the decision to have Andrew Lincoln play Rick, it was Kirkman who wanted Andrew Lincoln to play him cuz he thought Lincoln was the perfect Rick. Darabont was probably going to pick someone else if Kirkman just let Darabont do everything so I'd say Kirkman gave the show a W for having Andrew Lincoln be Rick Grimes cuz Andrew Lincoln plays the part better than anyone could. In my opinion the show is fine how it is, my only problem is just Carl being dead but other than that the show didn't need Darabont and they proved that in S2-S6 which motivated Darabont to sue AMC more since he wasn't a part of it cuz it was a huge hit
Typical AMC bootlicker coping with the fact that Walking dead got rid of the best show runner and force fed him slop, so now he's pretending things were better without him. 😂 First 2 seasons were the best, cry about it. 🤣🤡
Darabont is a professional. After he left the walking dead became the sad bart simpson edit of television
There would have been more comic accurate events across the show between Days Gone Bye and Rest In Peace.
I agree it would be more of an actual adaptation
Rick never gets blown up and merle and Carl also probably Alden and Glenn wouldn’t die cuz there all lived characters and they don’t want people leaving the show
Alden? Tf you smoking lol. Darabont wouldn’t write such a useless character
Like u
Alden is just a name changed comic Dante. I think we would get Alden in the show with Frank still but he would be called Dante.
glenn wouldve still gotten killed off
On the Cameraman who yelled at Frank on directing a scene, would've found himself directing flipping burgers fellowing week.
Is that something that actually happened?
As someone who read the whole comics online just 2 weeks ago.. and finished the twd show and spinoffs.. I prefer the comic story. Realy pales in comparison.
The show really had so many things that just stood in the way
I always wondered why the walking dead didn't have at least the game of Thrones' content level of GRAPHIC CONTENT??????
it didn't make sense to me .
Or make make fear the walking dead that level of content with darker themes.
I mean the comics were pretty dark rated 🤷
Not to the level of snuff flim but come on compared to the comics it was like a kid's show 😅
Yeah it was a little weird apparently HBO turned the walking dead’s original plan down because they thought it would be too graphic.
Irrevocably damaged by gimple.
I wish he stayed but I think Daryl would be killed off through
Yeah I agree Daryl would be a much smaller character
@@HoboDucks Oh no doubt deffonity
what do you mean more like game of thrones?
Gimples whole goal for the walking dead while he was the show runner was to make the walking dead like game of thrones in popularity. That is why he turned into just doing shocking things and stuff like that. All he cared about was views and not the story.
Do you think that Frank darabont will make a new movie any time soon?
I think he is going to direct an episode or some episodes of Stranger Things season 5.
@@HoboDucks bruh thats it? :(
@@HoboDucks when will he direct a movie?
I don’t think he will any soon. I think he was in retirement and will come out of retirement to do Stranger things but that might be it.
@@HoboDucks bro I think he got sick of directing after he got fired from amc
Scott Gimple and his greed ruined this show entirely
It is so dumb they promoted him after he killed Carl. He got rewarded for ruining the show
Seems like they wanted the Americans out and the British in 😂😂
The show does have a lot of British actors. 😂 all the main characters are basically British
@@HoboDucksThem British drama queens are irritating to watch yo
I believe it would have been much better in some ways, and perhaps worse in others. No telling really. I'd guess overall the show would have been better narrative wise, I think the characters would have been more consistent, I think he would have stuck slightly closer to the comics than the show did, but things like the cdc episode are where darabont faltered. Cdc was one of the worst episodes it gave away way too much info about the virus for no reason, and it was a lame way for Rick to find out everyone is infected. Plus, to top it off the episode ends with a lame cgi explosion like some low budget michael bay film.
CDC is great written. Imagine Frank wanted to use it as the beginning of a slow developing arc that ends with the final of the show where maybe people get infected without being bitten or death, cause the virus mutated and that would be the reason why the doch telled rick that which he realizes then, cause the doc suspected the possibility of an mutation which activates the process. So after the zombies slowly die cause they rot and the bases finally would be stable and moving forward, this would force them to go out again and search for that laboratory in France where the series would end.
I didn't enjoy season 1 and skipped seson 2 ,yea I'm glad we got a different show runner
lmao
What did you not like?
boom boom shock value is what pleases me
Carol Went from shy and Timid housewife to a Delta Force Commando Lol expert in Martial Art and Firearms and Scout Sniper expert..killing bunch of Dudes with pistol ,,taking off a hole Compound by herself ..very slow and lazy writing and the show became so damn boring, killing Carl and keeping Tara was dumb move ..they should Kept frank darabont
Honestly, Darabont being fired was for the best if he was planning on having Andrea around for 10 seasons. Wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemy.
I don’t think Andrea would of been hated as much she is one of the most loved characters from the comics and I think Frank would of made show Andrea a lot like comic Andrea.
Andrea might have actually been a better developed character
U didnt understand anything XD
Yes!! Your points about the Walkers retaining their intellect (which they rehashed in S.11 E.19 "Variant") and preserving certain characters lives for the sake of the whole story are agreed with me.
Here's something interesting!! In T.W.D. S.1 E.1 *_"Days Gone By"_* the guy in the Tank is actor Sam Witwer. He was the voice actor for Deacon St. John in the video game *_"Days Gone"._* He also was in the movie "The Mist" with fellow T.W.D. actors Laurie Holden (Andrea), Jeffrey DeMunn (Dale) and Melissa McBride (Carrol).
Is Sam Witwer also the voice of Darth Mul? It is a shame he never got his episode in season 2 he is a great actor.
@@HoboDucks
Yes, in Star Wars: Clone Wars (The Son/Brother & Maul). In various other Star Wars assignments. But, for me, his most impressive work for Star Wars is his work in, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed. He voiced and was the model/face for the super bad ass *_Galen Marek/Starkiller._*
I’m glad he left. I think it was a better show because of it for the most part
The show was never that good, so that’s not saying much is it?
@@psychotic.reaction S2-S6 ratings says otherwise. The show was a big hit in those seasons without Darabont and that's what got him more pissed off that AMC fired him
@@TheRealRickGrimesright but then again it became ass after season 6 or 7 and lost interest to many.Whilst season one and the other early seasons like 2 to maybe 3 or 4 age like wine
It became a big hit after frank and Glenn mazzara did all the hard work only for gimple to take over and that’s where the decline slowly began (not in viewers but quality)
@@psychotic.reaction good or not it became a worldwide phenomenon
The show sucked
I would not say sucked but it did drop in quality