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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2019
- This Bible study devotional covers Genesis chapters 17-18:15. Here we see God give a new sign of his covenant to Abraham - circumcision. We also see God change Abraham's name.
As always, we are committed to showing you how Jesus fulfills these specific passages. In Genesis 17-18:15, we see that Jesus fulfills the sign of circumcision and gives us a new name.
Presented by David Bowden
Written by David Bowden
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I don't know whether Christians should get circumcised or not, but one thing I know for sure is that Salvation is based on acceptance of Yeshua, not circumcision.
Thank you for explaining this! Reading the Bible right now and had to google this because I was confused! Makes totally sense and it’s really cool! God is purposeful ⭐️
Amen! Glad it was helpful 😊
I was also reading the Bible an needed understanding of circumcised
Amén! Thank you Jesus!
Praise be to God ♥️
Thank you for the clarity I was a bit confused on the circumcising part in the covenant of how it applies to the new covenant.
I get it now. That's where the seed comes from. Makes sense to me!
I’m here because I got scared when I was reading this verse, I thought I had to go be circumcised
Thanks for sharing the gospel!!
I didn’t know that God has a private name for us. Thinking about that makes me feeling so good! Pls continue doing videos
I saw you at districts Thankyou for speaking there
That's an interesting interpretation
Thank you so Much for speaking at fall fling you really chinches a lot of people’s lives
It just seems odd to me. Doesn't quite line up with other stances. With every other issue on our bodies, we're told that God made us this way for a reason. Some go more extreme, saying medicine is bad, tattoos and piercings are bad, and even now, that genital mutilation on girls is bad... but somehow, none of that applies to circumcision.
It just seems like a huge cherrypick to me. Other parallel issues are treated differently, for no discernable reason. Does anyone else wonder about this?
It seems odd because it is odd to take this stance. Abram was instructed by god, was marked showing that bloodline that will produce Jesus, the blessed one. What has that have to do with us in our current day? Also would like to point out , in this scripture, Abram has slaves. Also hope they do not eat shrimp, or pigs. Do they think they have a special coven with our Most High Lord?
I'm Jewish and circumcised immediately at birth and proud of that fact.!!
Whew! 😅
0:48 was that an intentional cutting motion lol?
BERĔSHITH (GENESIS) 17
1And it came to be when Aḇram was ninety-nine years old, that יהוה appeared to Aḇram and said to him, “I am Ěl Shaddai - walk before Me and be perfect.
2“And I give My covenant between Me and you, and shall greatly increase you.
3And Aḇram fell on his face, and Elohim spoke with him, saying,
4As for Me, look, My covenant is with you, and you shall become a father of many nations.
5“And no longer is your name called Aḇram, but your name shall be Aḇraham, because I shall make you a father of many nations.
6“And I shall make you exceedingly fruitful, and make nations of you, and sovereigns shall come from you.
7“And I shall establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be Elohim to you and your seed after you.
8“And I shall give to you and your seed after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Kena‛an, as an everlasting possession. And I shall be their Elohim.”
9And Elohim said to Aḇraham, “As for you, guard My covenant, you and your seed after you throughout their generations.
10“This is My covenant which you guard between Me and you, and your seed after you: Every male child among you is to be circumcised.
11“And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall become a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12“And a son of eight days is circumcised by you, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with silver from any foreigner who is not of your seed.
13“He who is born in your house, and he who is bought with your silver, has to be circumcised. So shall My covenant be in your flesh, for an everlasting covenant.
14“And an uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, his life shall be cut off from his people - he has broken My covenant.”
I like the rainbow sign better...
What is the church’s stance on infant circumcision in the modern age?
The apostle Paul writes in Galatians 5:6, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love." What God is looking for is not whether one is circumcised or not but if one is living by faith and practicing His way of outgoing concern. Not only is circumcision not required, it is immoral. Every man has the right to experience life with the body created by God, not altered by man.
@@jx14aby Wow! We can now put our trust in words that contradict uttered commandments by the Father Himself! The Father said no man can partake of His covenant unless he is circumsized; yet we can be safe to contradict His wasted breath by a self proclaimed apostle! Can someone directly contradicting the Father be sent of the Father? Should he be trusted? Rev. 2:2 after all the words of the Father declare, "the man (man not jew!) who is not circumcised in the flesh has broken My covenant!". Can we join a covenant by breaking it? Who's words are eternal and more worth heeding, Yahuwa's or false apostle Paul's?
@@meatstigator2391 "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the LORD." Leviticus 19:28. Cutting healthy parts off someone else's body is immoral and medically unethical. Circumcise yourself if you want, but keep your hands off baby boys.
@@dantesparda7719 It's true that the majority of Christians don't practice circumcision. But the fact is that the majority of Christians have never practiced circumcision. Prior to the 20th century, the vast majority of Christians didn't practice circumcision since the first century. That's the vast majority of Christian history.
circumcision? Does it say in the bible is immoral what about Genrsis 21:4? Says God instructed Abraham to be circumcised
“The Seed is Strong.”
Interesting take. Abram was instructed by god, was marked showing that bloodline that will produce Jesus, the blessed one. What has that have to do with us in our current day? Also would like to point out , in this scripture, Abram has slaves. do you not eat shrimp? or pigs? Why do this foul practice anymore? When it was a specific circumstance. By the way, there are people out there putting it on their faces to stop aging. It's very disturbing , and by doing this practice we would be helping the cultists ruling currently. I love Jesus, try to follow his teaching as best as I can. I know I'm a sinner that's why i try to follow it as best as I can. But I believe they ones wanting so called "foreskin facials" are a bit twisted. (real subject BTW you can listen to Ellen degeneres speak of which.)
I’m booked to be circumcised in 2 weeks. Should I still do it? And why
Do it, or else your a pussy😂😂
Anytime after being a baby? You'll be in pain. I've heard stories. As well as some don't have the same feeling. If it hasn't been done at birth? Leave it alone. Even then a lot of babies get hernias cause they tense up during this brutal process.
I don't know if you did it or not, but that decision is up to you and God alone. I think it's beautiful that you want to be circumcised in the flesh as well as the heart. The latter is most important, but that doesn't mean the prior is unimportant.
I hope you didn’t but if you did and as annoying as this is to me saying this, welcome to the club.
We aren’t Abraham. I think people mistake something taken place in the Bible as to God speaking to us. No it’s a record of what WAS said to a specific person at a specific time. That said. There is power in the things that takes place because the things that were recorded set precedents for our walk and is meant for all believers
Jesus fulfilled the promise.
Would you pay for something you've already paid for ? No.
Abraham and his offspring paid for all the nations of the earth to be blessed by circumcision as dis jesus and jesus paid for it by circumcision and crucifixion. Circumcision is done away with through faith in jesus fulfilled the promise.
@@Justadudeman22 JC showed the way .. follow him by example if you want to get nearer to the Almighty .. Jesus fulfilled the promise .. so that you go scott free and can err and carry that ugly dirty nasty prepuce which was ordained to be removed by the Lord .. HE was speaking to mankind and so happenned that the people of that era chosen were Jews for the message which was universal for mankingd .. God does not give to sets of rules .
Im confused still lol
Why would God choose circumcision though, something so painful? Why couldn’t He choose something else or at least put the people to sleep like He did with Adam and have the circumcision done while asleep so it didn’t hurt?
So it isn't the circumcision we think of it's believing in God?
one of the biggest scams of all time
My brother’s wife cannot get pregnant and so do I
It runs in my blood!!!
Sara get married at age 90 years old! Nowadays nobody stays at this age!!!! My uncle died at 60s!
Reading these comments I am confused. At one time only Jews were circumcised. Today, at least here in the US all male babies are circumcised before leaving the hospital other than Jewish males who are circumcised by a Rabbi in a ceremony called a Bris. There is a great celebration & feast held at a bris.
What are you confused about?
@@endofscene as I wrote that over 4 months ago I no longer recall what I may have found confusing.
@@endofscene apparently I was confused by a remark made in the comments section.
@@paulajennings2041 Circumcision is not a Christian tradition it is a Jewish tradition. In tge U.S it is a misguided medical procedure. Nothing to do with religion!
@@satishasekar5687 where did you get the idea that I thought it was a Christian idea? I have had a Jewish step-family since 1973. I am well aware of what circumcision is.
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A few questions: Why did the descendants of Abraham need a "constant reminder" that a "final blessed one" would come from their line? And if they did need a constant reminder, why did it need to be marked in their flesh? And why did such a mark need to involve the destruction of functional erogenous tissue? And why do it to only one gender? And why do it to infants who can't consent? And why do it without any anesthetic which obviously makes the cutting extremely painful (and we know the negative effects of childhood trauma)?
By the way, the Jews weren't the only ancient peoples who practiced male circumcision. And I've never heard Jews use your explanation for circumcision.
Also, I don't think circumcision "proved" anything.
@DAZ futbol haha prob
It’s absolutely bonkers that the belief of circumcising infants without any real life threatening disease/birth defect other than “hygiene”. Forcing a belief on to an infant is immoral when it’s a irreversible permanent procedure. Let men be men nature intended, not what men intended. Let the informed man decide if he wants to alter his body.
JC came to honour the laws of Abraham and Moses ... Was JC circumcised ? ... and why not follow him by example .. Where did JC say that the sign of the covenent has now been changed as a sign of circumcision of the heart .
Hey MNM! Great question. As a practicing Jew, yes, Jesus would have been circumcised. And the book of Galatians addresses your exact question.
The simple answer (that Paul spends his entire epistle answering) is that faith in God's promises had always been the "mark" of a true believer. Circumcision was merely an outward sign of a more important inward act of trust. Paul says it really simply near the end of his letter. "For in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love" (Galatians 5:6).
I hope that starts to answer your question! (By the way, we're releasing our Galatians introduction video in November!)
@@SpokenGospel For in Christ circumcision nor uncircumcision has value..!!!.. Man.. this does not sink.. Why would Paul hijack the whole concept by turning upside down what the Lord commanded as a sign of your unwavering belif faith and submission to the Almighty Alone... by clipping one of the most sensitive part of your body ( which the Lord gave you , and now wants you to clip it ) you are confirming your firm belief and trust in HIM... and all prophets followed this command and the command was for all males present and future and with no segregation regarding you being a Jew or not.. black brown white or yellow.. So this circumcision of the heart is confirmed and strengthened once the snip is done.
@@mnoorbhai - I get it. Imagine being Paul! He was talking to Jews who had not only conflated circumcision with righteousness but also their identity as Jews! In addition to reading Galatians alongside a good commentary, I would highly recommend the Counterpoints series to you. They have a book on how the Law relates to the Gospel. In it, five scholars debate and respond to each other's arguments. Here's the link: www.amazon.com/Five-Views-Law-Gospel-Counterpoints-ebook/dp/B003WE9ZM0
I also love this commentary: www.amazon.com/Message-Galatians-Bible-Speaks-Today-ebook/dp/B00KMDSS7M/
I hope these help in your pursuit to see, even more, the beauty of God's word and the Gospel!
@@SpokenGospel I am still at a loss as to why would Paul overturn what, all the disciples and all prophets eould follow the ordained command of the Almighty as a sign of faith in him, and later we are commanded by Paul to abondon this. It would imply that what JC and the disciples preached, as the Lord commanded, were false. Look at the churches going empty.. these contradictions rather dont cut..
@@mnoorbhai It's possible that Paul's teaching about circumcision only applies to Gentiles. I don't see anywhere in Paul's (alleged) epistles where he says Jews should stop practicing circumcision. And I'm not aware of anywhere in the Tanakh where it says Gentiles should be circumcised.
I feel sorry for any man that didn't get circumcised.
I feel sorry for all the men who were when they didn’t ask to be.
@@JosiahAngell I didn't ask to be but im glad my parents decided for me.
@@andrewYashua7490 Well good for you. I don’t see it that way for myself and I won’t ever will.
This is absolutely fucking hilarious.
So I have a question, according to you, and it really is quite logical, that the circumcision is a seal or a stamp to mark the line of a group of people in which the saviour will come to save us all. So tell me something, can other people see the circumcision in your heart? Jesus himself was circumcised on the 8th day (physically). So if we are truly following our master, our lord, then why aren't Christians getting circumcised? Their master did. Why aren't they?
They are, but I’m genuinely surprised that some don’t. I came here because a friend of mine feels attacked by this fact 🤔
Fact that I said or fact that Bible said?
@@muktadirimtiazhaquefahim8413 The bible and the fact I told him that it was strange that he wasn’t circumcised.
Uhh okay. Keep trying. He will come around In Sha Allah.
In the Old Testament of the Bible, it was important that they got circumcised, it was a covenant and law between God and Abraham to set him apart from the other nations around him and a symbol of what was to come through Christ. He was commanded to pass down this to his descendants.
Many Christians still get circumcised today but it's no longer a prerequisite because Christ is the fulfillment of the law, in him the entire law is fulfilled also salvation isn't by works like circumcision, doing good deeds and things like that even though they are all good, they won't replace believing and accepting Jesus as the Son of God.
Salvation is solely by grace through faith and not by works, it is the gift of God in Christ Jesus. I hope this helps.
Genisis 17 KJV
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an EVERLASTING covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING possession; and I will be their God.
9 And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; EVERY man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, MUST needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an EVERLASTING covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath BROKEN my covenant.
Merriam Webster
Everlasting Definition
"lasting or enduring through all time : eternal"
I don't understand:
1. Is Jesus a different God
2. Is God breaking the covenant
3. Is circumcision still a covenant we share with God
???
Feels like everyone here is trying to change what the Bible says to allow themselves to break the covenant with God. If I'm missing something here then please help me understand.
Yes, I think you are missing a few things:
(1) The Bible doesn't say anything. Books don't speak. The various authors of texts that are included in "the Bible" shared their own personal opinions. If you choose to have faith in the absolute veracity of the personal opinions of dozens of ancient men whom you have never met then that is incredibly naive.
(2) If God "intelligently designed" the human body "in His own image" then obviously He never commanded circumcision. If he commanded circumcision then obviously the human penis isn't so "intelligently designed".
(3) If God commanded cutting up baby dicks and didn't give a command to use anaesthetic (and instructions about how to make and administer anaesthetic) then not only is such a God not an "intelligent designer" but He has no compassion. Indeed, the Jewish and Christian God sounds more like Satan.
Cutting up baby dicks is obviously something done by psychopathic perverts. But if you want to believe in a religion created by psychopathic perverts then that's your choice.
@@endofscene Lmao, I never once said I was religious. I hate religion, but Christianity is often given a pass on endorsing circumcision, here I make the case that that's not a fact.
Personally I think its possible to link all atrocities done by humans to a religion, and I think they serve no purpose to society.
As it turns out you alone were the one missing a few things
@@rhinorawkjocktorderky3006 Hello. Thanks for your response. Sorry for my assumption; it seemed to me that you believe there is a covenant. Regarding that, obviously it was an alleged covenant between "God" and the Jews. Christians aren't Jews. And the early "Christians" who were Jews all practiced circumcision.
I'm curious, what do you mean that Christianity is often given a pass on endorsing circumcision?
P.S. I think it's incredibly naive (and demonstrably false) to think that religion is the root of all evil.
@@endofscene No problem.
People often say that Christians don't have to circumcise simply because Paul was somewhat against it, but I'd suggest to you that he was against it because how can a religion grow fast if it requires such a sacrifice? That, and also the "Old covenant" says "Everlasting" so either their god is a liar or it is still ongoing and it goes along side the second covenant.
When I say that religion is often the root of all evil I understand that there are exceptions, but things like racism, slavery, genocide, genital mutilation, and blood sacrifices are all things that are almost entirely due to or backed by religion.
I'm not suggesting that mass murderers are religiously motivated, just that religion makes good people justify doing bad things "in the name of God".
@@rhinorawkjocktorderky3006 "People often say that Christians don't have to circumcise simply because Paul was somewhat against it, but I'd suggest to you that he was against it because how can a religion grow fast if it requires such a sacrifice?"
Where in the Bible does it say that Gentiles need be circumcised?
Some early Christian Jews thought Gentiles needed to convert to Judaism (and the men be circumcised) in order to become Christians. Paul disagreed: he thought Gentiles could become Christians without converting to Judaism first.
And that is indeed why his form of Christianity spread through the Gentile world. If he had believed circumcision was required, Christianity would likely not exist today. (It certainly wouldn't be the largest religion in the world.)
"That, and also the "Old covenant" says "Everlasting" so either their god is a liar or it is still ongoing and it goes along side the second covenant."
The first "covenant" was with Abraham and his descendants. Are you a descendent of Abraham? Are any Christians descendants of Abraham? Maybe Messianic Jews are, but I doubt most Europeans and Americans and Asians and Africans are descendants of Abraham.
Also, the Abrahamic covenant isn't even legitimate:
(1) According to the Documentary Hypothesis, a standard scholarly theory about the Torah, the circumcision story is a later addition. In other words, it's a total fabrication (like much of the Bible).
(2) Even if it was based on a true story, a covenant is a contract between consenting parties. Babies can't consent so there is no valid contract.
"When I say that religion is often the root of all evil I understand that there are exceptions, but things like racism, slavery, genocide, genital mutilation, and blood sacrifices are all things that are almost entirely due to or backed by religion.
I'm not suggesting that mass murderers are religiously motivated, just that religion makes good people justify doing bad things "in the name of God"."
Religion makes good people do wicked things, and it also makes wicked people do good things. It cuts both ways.
Almost all of us do harm to others (and even to ourselves), regardless of our religion or philosophy. And there are as many sociopaths and psychopaths outside religion as there are inside religion.
Some ideologies (religious or political or philosophical) are more toxic than others. Toxic ideologies exist because of toxic humans. Suffering is due to human ignorance and weakness. To the extent that people are spiritually enlightened, they will not cause harm to others (or themselves), and to the extent that they are not enlightened they will wreak havoc in the world.
There's no Jesus in the Tanakh
so now we look to abraham as a father what’s up with this religion and dads😂😭😭
That son is not Prophet Jesus, but Prophet Muhammad
Both are descendants of Abraham though
The letter J didn't exist until the 14th century, yet this Jesus character was long dead by then. There's a character called Isis before the 14th century. Did ISIS turn into Jesus or was Jesus made up. Please if anyone answers this, just facts, no calling me a devil worshipper for pointing this out. I don't have time for people who have blind faith.
Jesus was not his actual name. His name is Yeshua which is Hebrew Aramaic
@@JesusBelieverDiane his name was Lesus
@jojozep, why dont you leave people who have blind faith to face their faith while you face yours
A pet name? Really?
Evolution 🤪🤪🤪
The Father is good towards His creation, therefore, the command to circumcise is not immoral, abuse, or abolished. We are to obey God rather than men.