@@stevenmajewski3870 Thinking existence had to start shows how behind you still are. Thinking it is a silly question shows us your lack of intelligence and ability to resist the ego, knowledge, etc. Most humans are so bound to their animal nature that no wonder you cannot experience more than karmic cycles, memory. Sad existence really, but that is what your society, science etc has given you since your birth, and you probably love them for ruining your life and limiting it to such a tiny spectrum of existence and experience. It is a sure way to ensure you are always and forever left guessing who you are, thereby you don’t know what you are so trust in others who have ‘studied’ it tell you what you are and how to live what to eat and so on. You have a lot of trust in people that are just as confused and unsure of who they are in reality as you are and are only studying the misinformation of the past and attempting to apply it.
@@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510 for me it was disappointing. He's just like any westerner intellectualizing something that requiers to be lived and experienced and not just mental projections. He's legit about how the body function, but the it's clear that he's discredeting that which he doesnt know aka enlightenement.
@@TheyBenefit he broke some part of his brain meditating, leading to his interpretation of existence as a kind of dissociative materialistic robotism...makes alex rosenberg seem warm and fuzzy...this is what drove nietschze nuts, this is the Abyss. its like when sm ppl say "i cant feel god anymore??!!" when they are subjected to transcranial magnetic stimulation or some other brain manipulation, UG existed in a perpetual ketamine hole
UG is the only real physicist of the 20th century who based all his research on purely his empirical observations, and not on hypothetical concepts or imaginations. In the end: "Even something as basic as the sense of touch, something we take so for granted, is really just another thought process." Wow! Hats off to u UG! So, unless we empirically observe and understand this basic thought process of the sense of touch, our thinking will never allow us to experience UG's Calamity & Natural State?
He is saying same as a Advait Vedanti says but in a totally diametrically opposite language. Thats the beauty of Life. It produces seemingly opposites so perfectly like black and white, day and night. Marvellous are the ways of Life.
the sky is blue. therefore blue is the sky. ==> pleasure creates pain, therefore we like pain. Consciousness is just a state of mind with high mental energy. It is high energy because you drop every useless thought and world model and enter the moment. These thoughts and world models require energy. the create "formulas" to deal with the internal and external world. these formulas are not reality but a small description of it. letting go of it all, and gaining trust, we gain massive amounts of energy and focus. the same kind of energy that kills procrastination and the same kind of energy that diminishes when you are experiencing depression.
you experience it too,you just enjoy this style of a guru,your a rebel to the cause you are so aware of,.you are quality to listen too,and jiddu,i love yee both
after dwelling sometimes i am nearing close to understand that the thoughts is indeed the time , space and sensation and without the thoughts the body does not have any identification at all..how AMAZING..THANKS UG AND OTHER NON DUAL SPEAKERS.
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened. Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened. Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the etheric energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality The question is do you get those energies and feelings by searching for them? Longing for them? It seems like when we look to attain them we’re lost.
Listen, when I first found UG, I got extremely depressed. But now I don't give a fuck about anything. There is nothing. I don't know what to think, what to believe, or even what to say. I am lost and there is nothing.
After I heard the first few minutes of this interview, I thought that U. G. Krishnamurthi's ideas were comparable to (basic or early) Buddhism. Later in the interview, UGK says there is no way out of the concomitance of knowledge and consciousness. Thus he seems to hold a form of materialism. There were sages with similar view at the time of the Buddha called Lokavata/Carvata. Buddhism, however, takes a (skeptical) position between essentialism and nihilism. UGK ideas appear to be commensurate with what is called "eliminative materialism," one of the theories in the (western) philosophy of mind.
+Robert Morris At least it is more consequent with the thought of no self. Because a no self cant be enlightened or seek for it. Who suffer? Freed from what? Buddhism is quite contradictory.
This guy saying we trying to listen to all the people we have faith in to give us solutions and none of them work. I'm here listening to this guy having faith that he's got some sort of idea that does work... The pursuit of seeking knowledge of the universe is in vain. The question of where thought comes from is made up by thought and we are trapped in thought essentially?
I think what U.G. really is trying to say is that without the knowledge, information and concepts we have gathered (which in essence are thoughts/thought patterns) we have no way of seperating ourselves from what we call "thoughts", and without all the mental concepts we cannot say that there is something called a thought. What we are left with is what we call "life". These words of course don't actually mean anything, they are only pointers. There's no doubt that life is some "thing", but once we try to explain it with thoughts, concepts, knowledge through language we have already distorted it massively. With what we call "thoughts" we are only able to dissect the world, but that doesn't say anything about it, it has nothing to do with it. Someone who is enlightened can be in a state where there is no "thought", and can therefore not dissect anything and everything seems to be one thing. From here, what you call as thought and what you call yourself cannot be seperated, and those two don't exist in this context. Same thing goes with experience. For experience to have any meaning you have to have some "thing" to experience and you have to have someone who is experiencing that thing, a reciever. If you do not use any thought or any knowledge that you have gathered, you have no way of saying that there is some external world and you are experiencing it, because everything becomes one and you are basically the experience and the experiencer at the same time. I know this may sound very stupid, but words and sentences are only pointers to what I really mean.
May I ask where exactly he was saying that without thoughts we can't separate ourselves from thoughts? The experiencer is the experienced as whatever you think of the table is your thought about the table, therefore you, not the table itself. Does it change anything about the actual existence of the table and you? No it doesn't.
Isn't he just arguing against current Hindu beliefs? "Thought" is a loose term, without the word "table" it would still be, we just wouldn't have a word for it and so nothing much to think about, and you'd still have to walk around it. One "thought" that everyone is really good at is over-analyzing everything.
He just wants to say , I looked everywhere and found nothing so stop asking questions because you will find nothing too , just live the way you want suitable
And Jeffry, thanks a ton for guiding this interview so well and for bringing out the best in UG. I sure wish you could get more practical physicists to watch this video and get them interested in UG's solid research work. You can get an idea of what I have discovered about the sense of touch, since I saw this UA-cam a year back, in the video I uploaded on UA-cam last month. Thanks again, UG and Jeffry.
One has to b tuned in to U.G's frequency to get what he's talking about.The more life experience one has the easier it is to resonate with what U.G is saying.From my point i get what he's saying just fine.Anyone who is in their 20s and listens to U.G,by the time that person reaches 50yrs of age they will have a whole new perception of human existence.Maybe even contrary to what U.G was saying when that person was 20yrs old.What I'm saying is human evolution includes evolution of the human brain as well.The way we use our brain today is different from the way we used our brain when we were first introduced to the use and control of fire.
First time I like what I hear...because the concept of enlightenment sold to us is based on making us believe that either we are imperfect or the life is imperfect or both. And the minute we seek something else from what already exists, then we lose the presence. We are indulging in thoughts and its realm. Then we are no longer in touch with the "organism" that we are. I like every word he says. For once, its in sync with what I know. The more we act in such a way that we are in peace with ourselves, the more perfect we are and at one time, i believe everything automatically becomes harmonious with everything around.
Yeah, un-"educating" ourselves from so many thoughts is important. However it is very very tough. But I like the part where both UG and Alan Watts insist on reaching this state independently. I have always believed that myself. Because my life must be my experience. If a guru directs it, the path might become easy, but it wont be "my experience". It wont be my journey entirely. It must not be, like you said, a pattern from the past. But I am yet to learn so many things - I have started to like both UG and Alan watts - I might start reading their views on religion to begin with. Because as a hindu, the religion is our way of life. So we must have the right idea abt that first. And we have been taught so much nonsense. Have you understood - "how not to desire enlightenment and reach the same?" Does it mean, it will naturally happen, with time?
***** Thanks for answering my question! Lucky you for having not been raised with any religion. Or any specific beliefs as such. While I did mention that I must understand religion, I am not saying I want to be with "any specific thing". The good part about being Hindu is, it doesn't insist you to follow any particular thing. It says, just be yourself...at the crux. But while growing up, many practices (sometimes dogmas also) have become a part of me, knowingly or unknowingly. So to release all of them is a humongous task. And sometimes you just dont know where to begin. And also sometimes if I must begin now. The funny thing is, I don't know if I am seeking enlightenment or if I must. I love my life now. But everytime I get guided by the inner conscience - everytime I feel there is something else guiding me in my life, and I know its not my conditioned mind (thankfully), I feel the urge to understand it better, get closer and shake the current delusion. The way we feel happy when we consider everyone as "ours" and sad when we go away from someone's life - its very tempting to go towards that feeling of oneness, that realization. Its as if I am looking for proof of oneness to feel that "settled" feeling...in peace and harmony with the whole world.
:) Its great that you have come a long way in this direction. I wish I could bike or even walk safely on the roads of India. But I agree that some form of work out will surely help us get in tune with our body, which in turn will tune up our mind for better. As most guru's suggest that rather than getting lost with all "emotions" and "meaning" of the words, which play with our minds and suck us into this unreal realm and away from reality, we tune up with our body and live the way it feels in that moment. And guess what...recently in one of Alan Watts video and UGs videos I got my answer. Grace/Enlightenment is gods gift. We cannot by ourselves make it happen. It will happen through Karma yoga. I was really stuck with this question for a long time in my mind - because logically speaking as long as you live any action forms karma and every karma will have a cosmic causation which will keep us tied to this form. And as per those karma we are supposed to go through life in a certain way, reap benefits etc. But in that process we end up with more karma. So its endless. And if we break it voluntarily by "giving up" or withdrawal from life, we must not have fulfilled our acts. Then although enlightened, we still have pending work. Again we are born and again work towards enlightenment and withdrawal nonsense etc. It doesn't work. My deduction was that through our work we release ourselves and it happens only when we work in such a way that it is harmonious with "what we are meant to do" towards nirvana. So their explanation that we in this form cannot "get it" or "desire" for it convinced me. Have you successfully been able to separate "observer" and "observed" so far? Has it helped? UG says, its very dangerous to have it that way. He gives an example where he says: just imagine you apply this concept when you are making love to your wife! :D
Yeah It is dangerous. You never know from which direction a two wheeler or even a car might come and hit you...the two wheeler are even driven on the pedestrian passage. I am talking of Bangalore. It is a very poor lifestyle in this city as compared to what it was a decade ago. Infrastructure is unfriendly to life in general. In Delhi, I can hardly breathe. Its pollen, smog and dust everywhere. I just feel like relocating to a beach town and live by the oceans - good air and water. But there is hardly any economic activity there. Anyhow, just yesterday I watched a beautiful set of women and kids dancing classical forms and I was so absorbed in the forms and poses, I thought this could be one way to move into the body more. After reading what you have described about the observer and observed, it seems like you have spent quite sometime working on this... If you don't mind telling me, how did you make it happen? Have you activated the ajna chakra as well?
Even I don't understand why people spew caustic words at UG. I completely agree with the way you have described him. I prefer honesty to all the show off and misleading that happens. To get out of all that information clutter and the influence of such personas is hard. Yeah,I understand when you say you didn't follow any specific method or system. In my case, to come across UG after looking for answers from different people was a bit time consuming more than exhausting. My journey started when I was quite young about 7, but mostly inadvertently, mostly reading rama krishna ashram books. It wasn't in any direction as such. Just experiences in life put me on quests and led me to different "gurus" but none made me feel convinced because they themselves haven't come through a conventional path. I mean - most of them never had a standard system of enlightenment (not that I was looking for, but when they don't have any system, I kept wondering what sort of path would that be...even in ashrams pretty clueless, exploratory etc. But my life has given me everything that I ever wanted, great family & education, the love of my life, am an expectant mother in early 30s, so I have no reason to withdraw and go to ashrams, but somehow I have come this far), some didn't acknowledge their guru's role and the ones who were sitting on the throne of guru had sex scandals. So its hard to believe any Indian guru these days. I also had a classmate during my masters degree, who practiced spirituality under some guru and whenever she partied on campus, he would give her a very hard time and make her feel very guilty about just being herself. He would check on her on the phone and even visit her sometime. I found it very un-natural. No body should be our boss. Then I came across a few western philosophers/gurus, who were very clear in communication, open (unlike Indian gurus who go round and round) about concepts and laid it out all in the open. That led me to Alan Watts and UG and then I was pretty satisfied. Amidst all this I had come across a reiki advanced teacher who had in her group some clairvoyant people and that thoroughly impressed me, because they can really heal stuff. However, this reiki also has some side effect - meaning when we take initiation from Guru's some energy flows from that guru lineage to us. And I don't like the idea of tampering with our natural energy through others. Like UG says, we are already in harmony. So if we mess with it then we upset something, which we do not understand fully. But I know that enlightenment is related to the Ajna chakra activation in reiki terms. But this could be a very limited understanding of that experience. Interestingly I met a lady, reiki teacher, who claimed that she activated her ajna chakra (got enlightened) and then she became susceptible to the energies around her. For ex: she was in airport seeing her son off and was filled with tears because nearby there was a family seeing off their daughter and were sad. After that she sort of chose to close that chakra and now no more enlightenment :D. If enlightenment is that precious why would someone give it up? So I got totally confused as to what ever the hell that experience was and now after UG, I have just decided to chart my path, not looking for anything but just take this road, the way I have started - wherever it leads me. And I will surely pick up his books you mentioned though in earlier comments in a few months time.
He did do it...quite the clever man...he's so interesting though some people put him down. i end up listening to him and he makes me feel better. Wish I could have been with him when he was alive. At least we have these wonderful interviews.
I suffered through the 'calamities' of U.G. In fact they still go on occasionally. Let me say this. I've looked behind all the doors and traveled or overlooked all the paths. U.G. seems to have the final word on these things. I first heard his message when "it" all started but I couldn't quite accept it. Seems I had to go looking and knocking and experiencing by myself. It's all b.s. You don't want 'enlightenment'. Not like I've experienced. Not like U.G. experienced. Just enjoy life and stop asking.
Bliss experienced when the mind is silent is not a "sensual" pleasure. In fact, it is not a pleasure at all, it is "nothing". It is similar to deep sleep, but with the awareness that you exist independent of space and time. In this state you can't find where you start and where you end, senses are not engaged, and there is just one thought - that there are no thoughts. This idea about limiting nothingness to sensuality comes mainly from western psychology (freud). But people who have in reality experienced deep restful states (aka "samadhi"') can discern. This misunderstanding comes about when we try to understand subtle phenomenons (like thought & mind) intellectually. However, I do agree with him that a lot of nonsense business is taking place in the name of consciousness, bliss, happiness, and spirituality. I also agree that there is no such thing as enlightenment, mainly because I have seen the predatory nature of these so called enlightened spiritual gurus who sell enlightenment for their own personal benefits.
I still think you have to have the questioning journey (Krishnamurti prob would disagree) to be free, but there comes time when you have to let go of the tools too.
@@dariusus9870 Suffering is the only truth...existance has no meaning and no purpose. There is no heaven or hell or afterlife..everything blacks out once we die.
I bacame atheists once listening to krishnamurti ... he spoke some raw truth interesting guy !!!! sometimes its so confusing what to blieve or not m still on the journey what m searching for
You can see on the light in his eyes that he is awake. This is also true for Jiddu. U.G. is fucking around with words to block the stupid mind of seekers, because their thoughts are their obsticle. Jiddu tried with logic to get the same effect. Both where beautiful but their effect on people was too limited because of their word (mind) approach instead of a heart approach. The same with most of the neo-advaita gurus. Many talks themselve to enlightenment, not seeing that they are in a trance of their own mind.
Their effect on people was too limited?:) Has anyone ever affected you? You are expecting the words of other to perform miracles, while you are slouching on your sofa.
Both UG and Jiddu were anti gurus, they didn’t agree with being a guru. Heart approaches don’t need any path, you can just sit with nature , often the Bhakti cults use that no-mind approach to brainwash their followers.
@@MirageandReality Both UG and Jiddu where playing the game of being an anti guru, bur were acting as a guru (Jiddu more than UG). A real anti guru doesn't preach. I don't like the Bhakti cults. Real gurus with heart approaches are Ramakrishna, Neem Karoli Baba, Anandamayi Ma and to a certain extent also Ramana and Osho (before Sheela took over when he went to America).
@@DaiBei i agree that that jiddu wasnt perfect and was still playing a role of a guru but he was right in his ideas of belief, thought and authority. Osho was a goddam criminal and i agree with K on that. He had children in his ashram having sex with older people and he created sheela, he could have got rid of her. He created a system of robotic idiots that were willing to poison a town among other things. They all did what the crazy woman said because they were conditioned which is exactly what k spoke against.
@ 3:22 "Since this demand for permanent happiness (["enlightenment"]) is something which cannot be achieved through anything, any thinking that is open to us we have projected and created what is called Enlightenment, God, Self Realization... that is the ultimate pleasure [we are seeking]." - U. G. Krishnamurti ... Are you looking for temporary fulfilment or permanent fulfilment? That is the question. None of us can intellectually understand "enlightenment" other than "permanent fulfilment" or "the end of seeking". What other honest way is there?
I remember watching part of this series on Thinking allowed on GA public television when it first aired. There is actually a book compiled of guests who appeared on the show by J. Mishlove out there. Transcripts of Ug's conversation are in the book. I still have it, bought it Soo long ago.
I'm glad I finished watching that cause I got him at the end. My question is; What would an enlightened Buddhist say to this man? Despite Buddhists normally having a practice I think the enlightened Buddhist would agree with UG. He would continue teaching his practice but he would also agree with UG.
There's no such thing as an enlightened buddhist, because to be enlightened means to be free from labels, to be simply a wholly / complete sane human being, or not even that, simply to be. Beingness. Buddhism ends up being the same as all religions, because what happened with it is the same thing that happened with christianity and probably islam. People who don't understand what Jesus etc said and truly meant and so went on to do what crazy humans do.
@@manspidermann I mostly agree, but partially because I question if enlightenment exists at all. I think it is just an idea created by culture, it does not exist outside of culture. Imagine if we had no concept of enlightenment, would it still exist? How? How could something be natural, innate, if it needs lessons, a model, something to strive for? From certain peoples perception, be they the being who is perceived as enlightened or that being itself, it exists because the idea exists, but the idea itself is a human made construct.
seems like post-modern philosophy. im pretty sure ug was well studied in the western & eastern philosophical traditions, as i often feel like hes drawing upon things other philosophers like kierkegaard, nietzsche, heidegger, schopenhauer etc. have said. He may not like that fact or deny it and say all philosophy is worthless, but he is practising exactly that: building a structure of thought
If you're here, I'd recommend discovering Ramana Maharshi. "no mind; no enlightenment; no liberation". Eventually you would find Adi Shankara, but he might be too "exotic" for the beginner. :)
you are always new and fresh if you want, the mind just works based on the knowledge of our previous thoughts, it is you who gives the input, feel fresh, feel happy. If you want a happy world you can build it, if you want a sad world also you can, it's upto you, I can atleast tell this because i felt it the same way, but funny my mind came a longway. Its just the input i gave i think. Think positive there are wonders to see.
Its the same i feel right from my childhood. The thoughts create the world which we live in. Its wonder how we feel we are always jailed in sorrows. See for example, can any mother identify her child when taken away at birth unseen.NO. Its the thought of love feeling for the child which makes her feel sad when something happens. there are lot of people who suffer and who die everyday, nobody cares, they care for their own people right. if you think its yours u feel. same with u. THERE IS NO YOU
An alternate title to this interview could be "Is there such a thing as enlightenment at all?" (6:04) I feel the exploration of this question is perhaps the most important contribution of this interview.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality Good question. There are examples of self-proclaimed "enlightened" Gurus turning out to be frauds and manipulators. However, you are asking, are ALL gurus manipulators? Not sure. Is it possible that this has multiple perspectives? When a vortex in a river carrying a feeling of being independent realizes that it never was separate from the river, from the vortex's perspective is it significant? from the river's perspective is it significant? Like you say, if the effort to outsmart the other or be successful subsides, wouldn't the energy shift? Possible.
Self-realization as explained by Ramakrishna Parmahansa, Paramhansa Yogananda and other realised beings is the oneness of the Supreme Conciousness. It is beyond thought and body. If you shut the thoughts and sensations you may just end up in a coma. That is not realization. That is just like death.
+Alessandro Vaccari Same case with philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. The good fellow is put down as a pessimist. Bullshit if you ask me. He only speaks the truth
+Alessandro Vaccari No, they just don't understand him. But a lot of things he says are highly debatable to say the least. His concept of pleasure and enlightenment are flawed. I believe this was before the major developments in neurosciences came about.
+wiremessiah He doesn't speak truth, the only people that speak truth are empirical scientists. He puts an artistic and colorful patina on philosophy and abstractions. I think by his own admission there is no truth to speak.
2010cyberguy But we can have useful myths and illusions. Even if we know them, just like the placebo effect, which has been proven to work even when the person knows it's placebo. Life is all about the journey, not the destination, because that's only death. But walking on the right path to nowhere is better than the wrong path to nowhere. By "right' i mean the most fulfilling, artistic, lovely, creative, beautiful flower lined path to nowhere.
2010cyberguy Greatness comes from the perception of greatness. Many people considered great were personally depressed and neurotic or sick. But believe it or not, I think Donald Trump has convinced himself of greatness, even through pure delusion, which says a lot about belief and perception. Someone that says he is the "great super genius of all time" has to believe it, otherwise there is no way they would say it, because if they were not delusional. they'd know no one would take it seriously. Interestingly enough, though, since he does believe it, many of his base does as well, which is self-fulfilling. This is something I have pondered and struggled with in life. Are you supposed to be honest, humble, or braggadocios? I have found in life that when I believe something about myself, like my ability as a musician, others believe it by osmosis. But often if someone praises my work, I get humble about it, and that starts to infect my perception. I even played the same piece for two different people. The first time, was right after I made it, and I was excited about it and the freshness of it, and it rubbed off on the guy listening, who loved it. Later I was more critical of it, because I realized I could do it better. And I played it for another guy with the same tastes, and my disappointment rubbed off on him and he was less than impressed. I would have chalked it up to just two different people in different moods, but i find this kind of thing happens all the time. Rappers have no problem with this, because they are always over the top with the hype and the swagger, and it works. They don't have self esteem problems at least. So I am thinking I need to just call myself the "great super genius musician of all time" and believe it.
You ask me, Ashu, What was the first thing that you did after you became enlightened? Laughter. And that’s the thing that I have been doing since then. I cannot laugh before you while telling jokes because that destroys the jokes, but I laugh through you. Mario staggers into his favorite bar and asks for a triple scotch. ”What happened to you?” the bartender asks. ”I am fucking mad!” Mario says. ”It all started late last night. We had been working late and my secretary asked me to drive her home. When I turned on the ignition of my car, the key snapped off in my hand!” ”Oh, that would sure piss me off,” says the bartender. ”No, that didn’t get me mad,” says Mario. ”We just took a cab, went up to her apartment and ate a little snack she prepared. Then she asked me if I would like to lie down with her a while.” ”And then?” asks the enthralled bartender. ”Well,” continues Mario, ”as I unzipped my trousers my bloody fly got jammed and I couldn’t get my pants off!” ”Wow! That would really get me mad!” exclaims the bartender. ”Naw... That didn’t get me mad. We got into it soon enough, and there we were going at it good and strong when all of a sudden there was a key in the latch. ’Quick,’ she said, ’it must be my husband. Hide!’ ” ”Now that’s a real piss-off!” says the bartender. ”No,” says Mario, ”that’s not what made me mad. I had to hide fast. In the cupboard and under the bed were obvious places, so I hung by my fingers out of the window. ’ ”And then?” says the bartender. ”Well, the husband bursts in and yells, ’Where is that sonofabitch hiding?’ And without waiting for an answer he looks under the bed and in the cupboard and then he looks out of the window and sees me hanging by my fingers there with no clothes on.” ”And then?” says the bartender. ”Well, he runs to his cupboard and pulls out a nine iron from his golf bag and with a grin on his face jumps onto the window sill and starts teeing off on my finger-tips, one by one.” ”Jesus Christ! No wonder you are mad!” says the bartender. ”No! That’s not why I am mad!” says Mario. ”It was only when he got down to the last finger that I looked down and realized that I was only twelve inches off the ground! That’s why I am mad!” - OshO Theologia Mystica Chapter #9 I Laughed www.oshoworld.com 🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼😂🙏🏼
Thinking and being goes together . Good to think , it is fun to think about the good things . It is also nice to try not to think during a sitting meditation . Walking meditation and mindfulness are very good also .
One thing which startles me is that - there is ONLY a small portion of people who really wonders and searches for the meaning and purpose of life; the majority of people i find them quite OK with what they do and/or what they don't do. Somebody said that these questions occurs only after your survival and reproduction needs have been taken care of. But the question is - there ARE people whose these basic necessities have been taken care of long ago, but still these question does not occur to them. So my question is - why does the longing to find the meaning and purpose of life occurs to only a few people? just why?
People seem to be very critical of what this guy is saying , but I think what he's saying is every bit as credible as anything anyone else has to say on these matters..What he says about our belief in thoughts and other peoples thoughts seems perfectly valid to me. And yes I know my last sentence sounds like a contradiction
We all change because of others words. People constantly change based on the words of their mothers or fathers for instance. Really anybody's loved ones.
The whole idea of Enlightenment is absurd. But in the West we have always to be chasing rainbows, and Enlightenment is just another such rainbow. My advice to those who seek is to stop seeking, and to accept themselves as they are.
Pollyanna Pangloss of course there isn't any glory, people want to feel special and better and feel more empowered than people in actual power, therefore they want to feel eenlightened, such a sweet subconscious process they went through
Would have to disagree. Enlightenment is nothing more than taking responsibility for what you create moment to moment at the thinking, feeling and acting levels. Do that well for a long enough period of time and you began to have experiences that most of humanity can't yet due to not yet having mastered their own thinking, feeling and acting.
"The modern mind is in complete disarray. Knowledge has stretched itself to the point where neither the world nor our intelligence can find any foot-hold. It is a fact that we are suffering from nihilism." Albert Camus I think UG's statement are agreeable in context to nihilistic philosophy but that also could be just a nurotic state created by paradoxical thought process.
If we are pointing to a state which we believe comes and goes, then we are referring to something that is not with us all the time. We are not what comes and goes, we are that source of clarity prior to the observations of states. That source of clarity is beingness which never leaves and exists prior to any description of it.
ug was very adamant about what he would tell others. people from all over the world came to see him. some just to try and find answers as if he were some enlightened one. but ug insisted that the demand for clarity was what was responsible for all the confusion. he said things that aggravated a lot of people too, he debunked their lifetime beliefs in a matter of minutes. he is often referred to as the great debunker
UG: Why are we concerned with enlightenment at all? Jeffrey: Well, what else is there to do? Ahahah amazing answer, lovely XD Jeffrey you are the best!
@aaugoaa I hear what u say, yet as far as I perceive, he is telling that the whole notion of what we may call ' our own spiritual experiences' is totally based on the knowledge that we got from the ones before us and created as a thought in our minds and therefore they do not really exist rather than in the form of a thought...it is really challenging what he is talking about...
I had an idea that U.G. Krishnamurti was an idiot because he sounded bitter. But bitterness is an unavoidable state of being, when you question all the goodness of the world. So today I felt free to listen to him without any prejudice. He is not enlightened and that is absolutely interesting. He doesn't focus on ego (although he does). We are all superior. Don't be afraid of being bitter.
Learned a lot from him - how to question all my believes and to trust my physical nature.
Yes ug is great. the style of ug is that he falsify all statements of guru (j krishnamurthi, raman. ) by their style.
It is the universe fighting with itself, through us!
We are the universe discovering that we are the universe!
But at the same time, explain what universe is? Where did it start? where does it end? lol stop asking silly questions and just live!
Sounds like a Watts statement. Is there even a universe there or only a perception of a universe there?
Everybody would you just shut up here.
@@stevenmajewski3870 Thinking existence had to start shows how behind you still are. Thinking it is a silly question shows us your lack of intelligence and ability to resist the ego, knowledge, etc. Most humans are so bound to their animal nature that no wonder you cannot experience more than karmic cycles, memory. Sad existence really, but that is what your society, science etc has given you since your birth, and you probably love them for ruining your life and limiting it to such a tiny spectrum of existence and experience. It is a sure way to ensure you are always and forever left guessing who you are, thereby you don’t know what you are so trust in others who have ‘studied’ it tell you what you are and how to live what to eat and so on. You have a lot of trust in people that are just as confused and unsure of who they are in reality as you are and are only studying the misinformation of the past and attempting to apply it.
There's no universe
I like his no-bullshit attitude. It is very refreshing to hear a point of view so unique and ironically radical.
I like and appreciate, unique and radical ideas it is it just entertainment or is he saying something that you value? I guess it doesn’t matter
A wise man once said nothing.
+Robin Payne
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+gm679 this is propably one of the most ironic comments ever.
Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. Proverbs 17:28
define nothing ??? (Being Silent or UG speaking half an hour )is not saying nothing ... LOL
UG's looks are Grace and Elegance personified! UG's words are fluidity solidified!
I love this interviewer, he is so genuine.
What about the interviewee ,?
Yes, he's very enthusiastic and truly wants to know
@@navinkunwarsinghkashyap510 for me it was disappointing. He's just like any westerner intellectualizing something that requiers to be lived and experienced and not just mental projections. He's legit about how the body function, but the it's clear that he's discredeting that which he doesnt know aka enlightenement.
@@YoussefEIdrissi that's a good explanation of U.G. He seems very lost and embracing of our human nature rather than seeking beyond
@@TheyBenefit he broke some part of his brain meditating, leading to his interpretation of existence as a kind of dissociative materialistic robotism...makes alex rosenberg seem warm and fuzzy...this is what drove nietschze nuts, this is the Abyss.
its like when sm ppl say "i cant feel god anymore??!!" when they are subjected to transcranial magnetic stimulation or some other brain manipulation, UG existed in a perpetual ketamine hole
U.G. Krishnamurti was the one person that hit the dislike button. The only person that can debunk himself, I love this guy.
UG is the only real physicist of the 20th century who based all his research on purely his empirical observations, and not on hypothetical concepts or imaginations.
In the end: "Even something as basic as the sense of touch, something we take so for granted, is really just another thought process." Wow! Hats off to u UG!
So, unless we empirically observe and understand this basic thought process of the sense of touch, our thinking will never allow us to experience UG's Calamity & Natural State?
Physics is objective. UG is more like a psychologist or a philosopher.
The term is metaphysician friends
Many prayers to this wise man, My Master Alone.
He is saying same as a Advait Vedanti says but in a totally diametrically opposite language. Thats the beauty of Life. It produces seemingly opposites so perfectly like black and white, day and night. Marvellous are the ways of Life.
the sky is blue. therefore blue is the sky. ==> pleasure creates pain, therefore we like pain. Consciousness is just a state of mind with high mental energy. It is high energy because you drop every useless thought and world model and enter the moment. These thoughts and world models require energy. the create "formulas" to deal with the internal and external world. these formulas are not reality but a small description of it. letting go of it all, and gaining trust, we gain massive amounts of energy and focus. the same kind of energy that kills procrastination and the same kind of energy that diminishes when you are experiencing depression.
*Thank you so much! Love/Light.* ♥
so do you agree with ug
Well said
When UG speaks, every sentence contradicts the one before, yet he's always engaging.
you experience it too,you just enjoy this style of a guru,your a rebel to the cause you are so aware of,.you are quality to listen too,and jiddu,i love yee both
Happy Thoughts, शुभेच्छा।।
the road of enlightenment is paved with paradoxes
There is no road
shut up
Timothy Price sure if u say so
it is a paradox
There is no road, no enlightenment and no paradox. There is just one lazy thought.
after dwelling sometimes i am nearing close to understand that the thoughts is indeed the time , space and sensation and without the thoughts the body does not have any identification at all..how AMAZING..THANKS UG AND OTHER NON DUAL SPEAKERS.
"The search ends with the realization that there is no such thing as enlightenment." UG
But getting this realization is the hardest thing after all. "Word is not the thing".
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened.
Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
@@sudhasharma1093 But how to know if someone is cheating u by saying l’m enlightened and i will help u in getting enlightened.
Number of saint’s or baba’s are cheating innocent people by doing it.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the etheric energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality The question is do you get those energies and feelings by searching for them? Longing for them? It seems like when we look to attain them we’re lost.
This is a sledgehammer spiritual teaching. Brutal, elegant.
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I enjoyed your conversation with Mr Krishnamurti very much.
We are IT, IT is, IT will be, It was, and IT is now. We can't be separate from IT. For better or worse or in-between, we make IT what IT IS NOW.
this interviewer deserves respect hes at least understanding something from what UG is saying
que buen video.desde argentina, buenos aires , los saludo a todos los amantes de U.G.
UG: Why are concerned about enlightenment at all?
Him: What else is there to do? :D :D :D :D
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You can only think about enlightenment and then, well, you think there is a you thinking …
Listen, when I first found UG, I got extremely depressed. But now I don't give a fuck about anything. There is nothing. I don't know what to think, what to believe, or even what to say. I am lost and there is nothing.
Awbrfg55 my addiction is coming to end because of ug
After I heard the first few minutes of this interview, I thought that U. G. Krishnamurthi's ideas were comparable to (basic or early) Buddhism. Later in the interview, UGK says there is no way out of the concomitance of knowledge and consciousness. Thus he seems to hold a form of materialism. There were sages with similar view at the time of the Buddha called Lokavata/Carvata. Buddhism, however, takes a (skeptical) position between essentialism and nihilism. UGK ideas appear to be commensurate with what is called "eliminative materialism," one of the theories in the (western) philosophy of mind.
ug ...un grand humain ...qui m'a marqué en tant qu'homme "ordinaire "que de chaleur se dégageait !!!sans flons flons
+Robert Morris UGK 4 LIFE! RIP PIMP
+Robert Morris
At least it is more consequent with the thought of no self. Because a no self cant be enlightened or seek for it. Who suffer? Freed from what? Buddhism is quite contradictory.
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@@jamesjackson5020 heh good one
This guy saying we trying to listen to all the people we have faith in to give us solutions and none of them work. I'm here listening to this guy having faith that he's got some sort of idea that does work... The pursuit of seeking knowledge of the universe is in vain. The question of where thought comes from is made up by thought and we are trapped in thought essentially?
Aren't we all tired of living someone else's life?
Shit, my diner is on fire!
Your diner is on fire? Did you ever put it out?
I think what U.G. really is trying to say is that without the knowledge, information and concepts we have gathered (which in essence are thoughts/thought patterns) we have no way of seperating ourselves from what we call "thoughts", and without all the mental concepts we cannot say that there is something called a thought. What we are left with is what we call "life". These words of course don't actually mean anything, they are only pointers. There's no doubt that life is some "thing", but once we try to explain it with thoughts, concepts, knowledge through language we have already distorted it massively. With what we call "thoughts" we are only able to dissect the world, but that doesn't say anything about it, it has nothing to do with it.
Someone who is enlightened can be in a state where there is no "thought", and can therefore not dissect anything and everything seems to be one thing. From here, what you call as thought and what you call yourself cannot be seperated, and those two don't exist in this context.
Same thing goes with experience. For experience to have any meaning you have to have some "thing" to experience and you have to have someone who is experiencing that thing, a reciever. If you do not use any thought or any knowledge that you have gathered, you have no way of saying that there is some external world and you are experiencing it, because everything becomes one and you are basically the experience and the experiencer at the same time.
I know this may sound very stupid, but words and sentences are only pointers to what I really mean.
May I ask where exactly he was saying that without thoughts we can't separate ourselves from thoughts? The experiencer is the experienced as whatever you think of the table is your thought about the table, therefore you, not the table itself. Does it change anything about the actual existence of the table and you? No it doesn't.
Isn't he just arguing against current Hindu beliefs?
"Thought" is a loose term, without the word "table" it would still be, we just wouldn't have a word for it and so nothing much to think about, and you'd still have to walk around it.
One "thought" that everyone is really good at is over-analyzing everything.
It has in roots into aspects such as Ignosticism and Non-Cognitivism.
He just wants to say , I looked everywhere and found nothing so stop asking questions because you will find nothing too , just live the way you want suitable
They aren't different. U.G was a wannabe J.
And Jeffry, thanks a ton for guiding this interview so well and for bringing out the best in UG. I sure wish you could get more practical physicists to watch this video and get them interested in UG's solid research work. You can get an idea of what I have discovered about the sense of touch, since I saw this UA-cam a year back, in the video I uploaded on UA-cam last month.
Thanks again, UG and Jeffry.
Very profound message
Thanks so much, for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿.
With all politeness and humility I register here that there are systematic ways.. luckily UG Krishnamurthy got stumbled into this......
The Self, The I, Thought, Soul, Enlightenment, Inkarnation, all is buried
One has to b tuned in to U.G's frequency to get what he's talking about.The more life experience one has the easier it is to resonate with what U.G is saying.From my point i get what he's saying just fine.Anyone who is in their 20s and listens to U.G,by the time that person reaches 50yrs of age they will have a whole new perception of human existence.Maybe even contrary to what U.G was saying when that person was 20yrs old.What I'm saying is human evolution includes evolution of the human brain as well.The way we use our brain today is different from the way we used our brain when we were first introduced to the use and control of fire.
"I WANT TO BE ENLIGHTENED!"... oh, what an unselfish statement...
See talks between bohm and j krishnamurti you will enjoy them a lot
There isn't ONE single audio or video clip ( UG's own excluded) in the entire UA-cam as profound as this!
He unpicked thought with thought itself, quite unbelievable if you understand what he is saying.
Profound beyond anything you'll ever hear again
"Not to think even when involved in thought."
We are phenomenon transitory illusionary and beyond our control....
Mishlove looks perplexed, like everyone who hears UG, totally a VOID on his face, like what the hell is this guy taking about.HAHAHAHAHAHA
HA. BOLLICKS
that's consciousness getting in the way
No words for this man. I love him ❤
First time I like what I hear...because the concept of enlightenment sold to us is based on making us believe that either we are imperfect or the life is imperfect or both. And the minute we seek something else from what already exists, then we lose the presence. We are indulging in thoughts and its realm. Then we are no longer in touch with the "organism" that we are. I like every word he says. For once, its in sync with what I know. The more we act in such a way that we are in peace with ourselves, the more perfect we are and at one time, i believe everything automatically becomes harmonious with everything around.
Yeah, un-"educating" ourselves from so many thoughts is important. However it is very very tough. But I like the part where both UG and Alan Watts insist on reaching this state independently. I have always believed that myself. Because my life must be my experience. If a guru directs it, the path might become easy, but it wont be "my experience". It wont be my journey entirely. It must not be, like you said, a pattern from the past.
But I am yet to learn so many things - I have started to like both UG and Alan watts - I might start reading their views on religion to begin with. Because as a hindu, the religion is our way of life. So we must have the right idea abt that first. And we have been taught so much nonsense.
Have you understood - "how not to desire enlightenment and reach the same?" Does it mean, it will naturally happen, with time?
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Thanks for answering my question! Lucky you for having not been raised with any religion. Or any specific beliefs as such. While I did mention that I must understand religion, I am not saying I want to be with "any specific thing". The good part about being Hindu is, it doesn't insist you to follow any particular thing. It says, just be yourself...at the crux. But while growing up, many practices (sometimes dogmas also) have become a part of me, knowingly or unknowingly. So to release all of them is a humongous task.
And sometimes you just dont know where to begin. And also sometimes if I must begin now. The funny thing is, I don't know if I am seeking enlightenment or if I must. I love my life now. But everytime I get guided by the inner conscience - everytime I feel there is something else guiding me in my life, and I know its not my conditioned mind (thankfully), I feel the urge to understand it better, get closer and shake the current delusion. The way we feel happy when we consider everyone as "ours" and sad when we go away from someone's life - its very tempting to go towards that feeling of oneness, that realization. Its as if I am looking for proof of oneness to feel that "settled" feeling...in peace and harmony with the whole world.
:) Its great that you have come a long way in this direction. I wish I could bike or even walk safely on the roads of India. But I agree that some form of work out will surely help us get in tune with our body, which in turn will tune up our mind for better.
As most guru's suggest that rather than getting lost with all "emotions" and "meaning" of the words, which play with our minds and suck us into this unreal realm and away from reality, we tune up with our body and live the way it feels in that moment.
And guess what...recently in one of Alan Watts video and UGs videos I got my answer. Grace/Enlightenment is gods gift. We cannot by ourselves make it happen. It will happen through Karma yoga.
I was really stuck with this question for a long time in my mind - because logically speaking as long as you live any action forms karma and every karma will have a cosmic causation which will keep us tied to this form. And as per those karma we are supposed to go through life in a certain way, reap benefits etc. But in that process we end up with more karma. So its endless. And if we break it voluntarily by "giving up" or withdrawal from life, we must not have fulfilled our acts. Then although enlightened, we still have pending work. Again we are born and again work towards enlightenment and withdrawal nonsense etc. It doesn't work. My deduction was that through our work we release ourselves and it happens only when we work in such a way that it is harmonious with "what we are meant to do" towards nirvana.
So their explanation that we in this form cannot "get it" or "desire" for it convinced me.
Have you successfully been able to separate "observer" and "observed" so far? Has it helped? UG says, its very dangerous to have it that way. He gives an example where he says: just imagine you apply this concept when you are making love to your wife! :D
Yeah It is dangerous. You never know from which direction a two wheeler or even a car might come and hit you...the two wheeler are even driven on the pedestrian passage. I am talking of Bangalore. It is a very poor lifestyle in this city as compared to what it was a decade ago. Infrastructure is unfriendly to life in general. In Delhi, I can hardly breathe. Its pollen, smog and dust everywhere. I just feel like relocating to a beach town and live by the oceans - good air and water. But there is hardly any economic activity there.
Anyhow, just yesterday I watched a beautiful set of women and kids dancing classical forms and I was so absorbed in the forms and poses, I thought this could be one way to move into the body more.
After reading what you have described about the observer and observed, it seems like you have spent quite sometime working on this... If you don't mind telling me, how did you make it happen? Have you activated the ajna chakra as well?
Even I don't understand why people spew caustic words at UG. I completely agree with the way you have described him. I prefer honesty to all the show off and misleading that happens. To get out of all that information clutter and the influence of such personas is hard. Yeah,I understand when you say you didn't follow any specific method or system.
In my case, to come across UG after looking for answers from different people was a bit time consuming more than exhausting. My journey started when I was quite young about 7, but mostly inadvertently, mostly reading rama krishna ashram books. It wasn't in any direction as such. Just experiences in life put me on quests and led me to different "gurus" but none made me feel convinced because they themselves haven't come through a conventional path. I mean - most of them never had a standard system of enlightenment (not that I was looking for, but when they don't have any system, I kept wondering what sort of path would that be...even in ashrams pretty clueless, exploratory etc. But my life has given me everything that I ever wanted, great family & education, the love of my life, am an expectant mother in early 30s, so I have no reason to withdraw and go to ashrams, but somehow I have come this far), some didn't acknowledge their guru's role and the ones who were sitting on the throne of guru had sex scandals. So its hard to believe any Indian guru these days. I also had a classmate during my masters degree, who practiced spirituality under some guru and whenever she partied on campus, he would give her a very hard time and make her feel very guilty about just being herself. He would check on her on the phone and even visit her sometime. I found it very un-natural. No body should be our boss.
Then I came across a few western philosophers/gurus, who were very clear in communication, open (unlike Indian gurus who go round and round) about concepts and laid it out all in the open. That led me to Alan Watts and UG and then I was pretty satisfied. Amidst all this I had come across a reiki advanced teacher who had in her group some clairvoyant people and that thoroughly impressed me, because they can really heal stuff. However, this reiki also has some side effect - meaning when we take initiation from Guru's some energy flows from that guru lineage to us. And I don't like the idea of tampering with our natural energy through others. Like UG says, we are already in harmony. So if we mess with it then we upset something, which we do not understand fully. But I know that enlightenment is related to the Ajna chakra activation in reiki terms. But this could be a very limited understanding of that experience. Interestingly I met a lady, reiki teacher, who claimed that she activated her ajna chakra (got enlightened) and then she became susceptible to the energies around her. For ex: she was in airport seeing her son off and was filled with tears because nearby there was a family seeing off their daughter and were sad. After that she sort of chose to close that chakra and now no more enlightenment :D. If enlightenment is that precious why would someone give it up? So I got totally confused as to what ever the hell that experience was and now after UG, I have just decided to chart my path, not looking for anything but just take this road, the way I have started - wherever it leads me. And I will surely pick up his books you mentioned though in earlier comments in a few months time.
That interviewer thought this was an interview
😂😂😂😂💪🏼🙌🏼
What haha I don't get it :P (still thought it was funny)
Lmaoo
""'''thought""""
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UG: is the Greatest mind bar none. I wish I discovered him 50 years ago.
this is actually pretty good. I like how he connected consciousness to the physical through the hidden "awareness" dimension
Did he?
He did do it...quite the clever man...he's so interesting though some people put him down. i end up listening to him and he makes me feel better. Wish I could have been with him when he was alive. At least we have these wonderful interviews.
U..G.is logical and clear in his ideas of spirituality
I suffered through the 'calamities' of U.G. In fact they still go on occasionally. Let me say this. I've looked behind all the doors and traveled or overlooked all the paths. U.G. seems to have the final word on these things. I first heard his message when "it" all started but I couldn't quite accept it. Seems I had to go looking and knocking and experiencing by myself. It's all b.s. You don't want 'enlightenment'. Not like I've experienced. Not like U.G. experienced. Just enjoy life and stop asking.
UG was a walking K-hole
Wonderful Awakening talk
Wow I'm lost for words
Great... Beyond mind talking... Thanks for sirs. 👌👍🙏😇
Bliss experienced when the mind is silent is not a "sensual" pleasure. In fact, it is not a pleasure at all, it is "nothing". It is similar to deep sleep, but with the awareness that you exist independent of space and time. In this state you can't find where you start and where you end, senses are not engaged, and there is just one thought - that there are no thoughts. This idea about limiting nothingness to sensuality comes mainly from western psychology (freud). But people who have in reality experienced deep restful states (aka "samadhi"') can discern.
This misunderstanding comes about when we try to understand subtle phenomenons (like thought & mind) intellectually. However, I do agree with him that a lot of nonsense business is taking place in the name of consciousness, bliss, happiness, and spirituality. I also agree that there is no such thing as enlightenment, mainly because I have seen the predatory nature of these so called enlightened spiritual gurus who sell enlightenment for their own personal benefits.
This man saved my life
I think I get it. Hard to put in words, but he's a genious.
You cannot be free if you keep yourself stuck in concepts like gurus or enlightenment.
I still think you have to have the questioning journey (Krishnamurti prob would disagree) to be free, but there comes time when you have to let go of the tools too.
oh no! A genius knows sufference but he keeps apart from. This is real geniality. Salavdor Dalì, exampling, was a fucking genius.
@@dariusus9870 for sure, but He got his part of sufference
@@dariusus9870 Suffering is the only truth...existance has no meaning and no purpose. There is no heaven or hell or afterlife..everything blacks out once we die.
Brilliantly anarchic, provocative & humbling.
Just be yourself and don't "believe" anything. Accept everything as you see/experience it, and flow with/in it. Enlightenment is unnecessary.
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You got it man, haha respect...........thank you for this commnet
I bacame atheists once listening to krishnamurti ... he spoke some raw truth interesting guy !!!! sometimes its so confusing what to blieve or not m still on the journey what m searching for
You can see on the light in his eyes that he is awake. This is also true for Jiddu. U.G. is fucking around with words to block the stupid mind of seekers, because their thoughts are their obsticle. Jiddu tried with logic to get the same effect. Both where beautiful but their effect on people was too limited because of their word (mind) approach instead of a heart approach. The same with most of the neo-advaita gurus. Many talks themselve to enlightenment, not seeing that they are in a trance of their own mind.
Their effect on people was too limited?:) Has anyone ever affected you? You are expecting the words of other to perform miracles, while you are slouching on your sofa.
Thank you professor
Both UG and Jiddu were anti gurus, they didn’t agree with being a guru. Heart approaches don’t need any path, you can just sit with nature , often the Bhakti cults use that no-mind approach to brainwash their followers.
@@MirageandReality Both UG and Jiddu where playing the game of being an anti guru, bur were acting as a guru (Jiddu more than UG). A real anti guru doesn't preach. I don't like the Bhakti cults. Real gurus with heart approaches are Ramakrishna, Neem Karoli Baba, Anandamayi Ma and to a certain extent also Ramana and Osho (before Sheela took over when he went to America).
@@DaiBei i agree that that jiddu wasnt perfect and was still playing a role of a guru but he was right in his ideas of belief, thought and authority. Osho was a goddam criminal and i agree with K on that. He had children in his ashram having sex with older people and he created sheela, he could have got rid of her. He created a system of robotic idiots that were willing to poison a town among other things. They all did what the crazy woman said because they were conditioned which is exactly what k spoke against.
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"Since this demand for permanent happiness (["enlightenment"]) is something which cannot be achieved through anything, any thinking that is open to us we have projected and created what is called Enlightenment, God, Self Realization... that is the ultimate pleasure [we are seeking]." - U. G. Krishnamurti
... Are you looking for temporary fulfilment or permanent fulfilment? That is the question. None of us can intellectually understand "enlightenment" other than "permanent fulfilment" or "the end of seeking". What other honest way is there?
I remember watching part of this series on Thinking allowed on GA public
television when it first aired. There is actually a book compiled of guests who
appeared on the show by J. Mishlove out there. Transcripts of Ug's conversation are in the book. I still have it, bought it Soo long ago.
can you imagine a show like this would be on tv everyday ? would solve so much world problems... :(
@@MO-gf6hu you still think there is a problem,. you should watch it over.
this message is for you.
not someone else
wow ...wasnt expecting professor snape here banging our heads with hard bittter facts
I'm glad I finished watching that cause I got him at the end. My question is; What would an enlightened Buddhist say to this man? Despite Buddhists normally having a practice I think the enlightened Buddhist would agree with UG. He would continue teaching his practice but he would also agree with UG.
True, unfortunately buddhism is too much oriented on tradition and organisation, so it destroys the very essence on what they are teaching.
There's no such thing as an enlightened buddhist, because to be enlightened means to be free from labels, to be simply a wholly / complete sane human being, or not even that, simply to be. Beingness.
Buddhism ends up being the same as all religions, because what happened with it is the same thing that happened with christianity and probably islam.
People who don't understand what Jesus etc said and truly meant and so went on to do what crazy humans do.
@@manspidermann I mostly agree, but partially because I question if enlightenment exists at all. I think it is just an idea created by culture, it does not exist outside of culture. Imagine if we had no concept of enlightenment, would it still exist? How? How could something be natural, innate, if it needs lessons, a model, something to strive for? From certain peoples perception, be they the being who is perceived as enlightened or that being itself, it exists because the idea exists, but the idea itself is a human made construct.
seems like post-modern philosophy. im pretty sure ug was well studied in the western & eastern philosophical traditions, as i often feel like hes drawing upon things other philosophers like kierkegaard, nietzsche, heidegger, schopenhauer etc. have said. He may not like that fact or deny it and say all philosophy is worthless, but he is practising exactly that: building a structure of thought
If you're here, I'd recommend discovering Ramana Maharshi. "no mind; no enlightenment; no liberation".
Eventually you would find Adi Shankara, but he might be too "exotic" for the beginner. :)
you are always new and fresh if you want, the mind just works based on the knowledge of our previous thoughts, it is you who gives the input, feel fresh, feel happy. If you want a happy world you can build it, if you want a sad world also you can, it's upto you, I can atleast tell this because i felt it the same way, but funny my mind came a longway. Its just the input i gave i think. Think positive there are wonders to see.
fascinating guy ... good interview
although I have commented harshly on him before, he does have some good points. RIP
Its the same i feel right from my childhood. The thoughts create the world which we live in. Its wonder how we feel we are always jailed in sorrows. See for example, can any mother identify her child when taken away at birth unseen.NO. Its the thought of love feeling for the child which makes her feel sad when something happens. there are lot of people who suffer and who die everyday, nobody cares, they care for their own people right. if you think its yours u feel. same with u. THERE IS NO YOU
Great person with great thoughts
An alternate title to this interview could be "Is there such a thing as enlightenment at all?" (6:04) I feel the exploration of this question is perhaps the most important contribution of this interview.
If there is no enlightenment would that mean that all these gurus are sociopathic manipulators?. What explanation is there for the energies felt in the body I wonder...
@@MirageandReality Good question. There are examples of self-proclaimed "enlightened" Gurus turning out to be frauds and manipulators. However, you are asking, are ALL gurus manipulators? Not sure. Is it possible that this has multiple perspectives? When a vortex in a river carrying a feeling of being independent realizes that it never was separate from the river, from the vortex's perspective is it significant? from the river's perspective is it significant? Like you say, if the effort to outsmart the other or be successful subsides, wouldn't the energy shift? Possible.
You have all what necessary - in You !
Forget all talking and listening. - You have all tools to shape Your destiny! -Help Yourself and You help God!
It’s not destiny if you can shape it
Self-realization as explained by Ramakrishna Parmahansa, Paramhansa Yogananda and other realised beings is the oneness of the Supreme Conciousness.
It is beyond thought and body. If you shut the thoughts and sensations you may just end up in a coma. That is not realization. That is just like death.
Pain - impermanence - non self, understanding this three things together through own experience brings RADICAL CHANGE AS UG BY CHANCE CAME ACROSS.
27:10
The same pleasure will turn into pain my friend
தன்முனைப்பிற்குக் காரணமான ஆணவமலமே துன்பத்திற்குக் காரணம்!...
தற்போத ஒழிவில் ஒடுக்கம்!!!
I believe that many people here don't accept UG's statements simply because they know he's right. Not ready to accept brutal truth.
+Alessandro Vaccari Same case with philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer. The good fellow is put down as a pessimist. Bullshit if you ask me. He only speaks the truth
+Alessandro Vaccari No, they just don't understand him. But a lot of things he says are highly debatable to say the least. His concept of pleasure and enlightenment are flawed. I believe this was before the major developments in neurosciences came about.
+wiremessiah He doesn't speak truth, the only people that speak truth are empirical scientists. He puts an artistic and colorful patina on philosophy and abstractions. I think by his own admission there is no truth to speak.
2010cyberguy
But we can have useful myths and illusions. Even if we know them, just like the placebo effect, which has been proven to work even when the person knows it's placebo. Life is all about the journey, not the destination, because that's only death. But walking on the right path to nowhere is better than the wrong path to nowhere. By "right' i mean the most fulfilling, artistic, lovely, creative, beautiful flower lined path to nowhere.
2010cyberguy
Greatness comes from the perception of greatness. Many people considered great were personally depressed and neurotic or sick. But believe it or not, I think Donald Trump has convinced himself of greatness, even through pure delusion, which says a lot about belief and perception.
Someone that says he is the "great super genius of all time" has to believe it, otherwise there is no way they would say it, because if they were not delusional. they'd know no one would take it seriously. Interestingly enough, though, since he does believe it, many of his base does as well, which is self-fulfilling.
This is something I have pondered and struggled with in life.
Are you supposed to be honest, humble, or braggadocios? I have found in life that when I believe something about myself, like my ability as a musician, others believe it by osmosis. But often if someone praises my work, I get humble about it, and that starts to infect my perception. I even played the same piece for two different people. The first time, was right after I made it, and I was excited about it and the freshness of it, and it rubbed off on the guy listening, who loved it. Later I was more critical of it, because I realized I could do it better. And I played it for another guy with the same tastes, and my disappointment rubbed off on him and he was less than impressed. I would have chalked it up to just two different people in different moods, but i find this kind of thing happens all the time.
Rappers have no problem with this, because they are always over the top with the hype and the swagger, and it works. They don't have self esteem problems at least.
So I am thinking I need to just call myself the "great super genius musician of all time" and believe it.
We are trapped by our own thought. We create our own reality then are trapped in it. So we can never see beyond that.
You ask me, Ashu, What was the first thing that you did after you became enlightened?
Laughter. And that’s the thing that I have been doing since then. I cannot laugh before you while telling jokes because that destroys the jokes, but I laugh through you.
Mario staggers into his favorite bar and asks for a triple scotch.
”What happened to you?” the bartender asks.
”I am fucking mad!” Mario says. ”It all started late last night. We had been working late and my secretary asked me to drive her home. When I turned on the ignition of my car, the key snapped off in my hand!”
”Oh, that would sure piss me off,” says the bartender.
”No, that didn’t get me mad,” says Mario. ”We just took a cab, went up to her apartment and ate a little snack she prepared. Then she asked me if I would like to lie down with her a while.”
”And then?” asks the enthralled bartender.
”Well,” continues Mario, ”as I unzipped my trousers my bloody fly got jammed and I couldn’t get my pants off!”
”Wow! That would really get me mad!” exclaims the bartender.
”Naw... That didn’t get me mad. We got into it soon enough, and there we were going at it good and strong when all of a sudden there was a key in the latch. ’Quick,’ she said, ’it must be my husband.
Hide!’ ”
”Now that’s a real piss-off!” says the bartender.
”No,” says Mario, ”that’s not what made me mad. I had to hide fast. In the cupboard and under the bed were obvious places, so I hung by my fingers out of the window. ’
”And then?” says the bartender.
”Well, the husband bursts in and yells, ’Where is that sonofabitch hiding?’ And without waiting for an answer he looks under the bed and in the cupboard and then he looks out of the window and sees me hanging by my fingers there with no clothes on.”
”And then?” says the bartender.
”Well, he runs to his cupboard and pulls out a nine iron from his golf bag and with a grin on his face jumps onto the window sill and starts teeing off on my finger-tips, one by one.”
”Jesus Christ! No wonder you are mad!” says the bartender.
”No! That’s not why I am mad!” says Mario. ”It was only when he got down to the last finger that I looked down and realized that I was only twelve inches off the ground! That’s why I am mad!”
- OshO
Theologia Mystica
Chapter #9
I Laughed
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This is the ultimate message. Nowadays it is transmitted by Tony Parsons.
what is the message?
Read: Ashtavakra Samhita
Thinking and being goes together . Good to think , it is fun to think about the good things . It is also nice to try not to think during a sitting meditation . Walking meditation and mindfulness are very good also .
U will hate everything that UG speaks of if you are not prepared to accept that everything u have believed thus far is not true.
Right! You have to be prepared to reject everything but not with the intention to get anything. That wouldn't be a total rejection.
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One thing which startles me is that - there is ONLY a small portion of people who really wonders and searches for the meaning and purpose of life; the majority of people i find them quite OK with what they do and/or what they don't do.
Somebody said that these questions occurs only after your survival and reproduction needs have been taken care of. But the question is - there ARE people whose these basic necessities have been taken care of long ago, but still these question does not occur to them.
So my question is - why does the longing to find the meaning and purpose of life occurs to only a few people? just why?
People seem to be very critical of what this guy is saying , but I think what he's saying is every bit as credible as anything anyone else has to say on these matters..What he says about our belief in thoughts and other peoples thoughts seems perfectly valid to me. And yes I know my last sentence sounds like a contradiction
Does it make any difference- whether his words are credible or not? Have you ever changed because of anybody's words?
We all change because of others words. People constantly change based on the words of their mothers or fathers for instance. Really anybody's loved ones.
thanks for sharing this mishlove
My favorite dog is barking :)
This dog barks nicely and truly
Figure out some way to actually understand what he’s speaking about. Don’t display your misery through your words against someone else
@@chintamanivivek you didn't understood my comment bro this comment was expression of my true love for UG
It's just that we don't understand him our mind is not capable of such profound knowledge.
Or chizo ko dekhna ka nazariya badlo or badaho ek hi box me secluded mat rho zindai bhar
He's right , the world is a great stage , so choose your character and play it well :)
The whole idea of Enlightenment is absurd. But in the West we have always to be chasing rainbows, and Enlightenment is just another such rainbow. My advice to those who seek is to stop seeking, and to accept themselves as they are.
as 'who' they are.
Pollyanna Pangloss
of course there isn't any glory, people want to feel special and better and feel more empowered than people in actual power, therefore they want to feel eenlightened, such a sweet subconscious process they went through
true!! :) so simple
Would have to disagree.
Enlightenment is nothing more than taking responsibility for what you create moment to moment at the thinking, feeling and acting levels. Do that well for a long enough period of time and you began to have experiences that most of humanity can't yet due to not yet having mastered their own thinking, feeling and acting.
What you think you are is not you, and what you are you cannot think, because you already are.
In the end there is Nothing you can achieve,And when you realise this you have achieved Everything! Yet Nothing!
"The modern mind is in complete disarray. Knowledge has stretched itself to the point where neither the world nor our intelligence can find any foot-hold. It is a fact that we are suffering from nihilism." Albert Camus
I think UG's statement are agreeable in context to nihilistic philosophy but that also could be just a nurotic state created by paradoxical thought process.
1:42 Anyone else think this guy looks like Snape from the Harry Potter series?
Just a little better looking than snape
If we are pointing to a state which we believe comes and goes, then we are referring to something that is not with us all the time. We are not what comes and goes, we are that source of clarity prior to the observations of states. That source of clarity is beingness which never leaves and exists prior to any description of it.
Accept what he's saying and you will finally experience "enlightenment". Your desire for enlightenment is your folly. That's what he's saying.
There's no enlightenment.
ug was very adamant about what he would tell others. people from
all over the world came to see him. some just to try and find answers
as if he were some enlightened one. but ug insisted that the demand
for clarity was what was responsible for all the confusion. he said
things that aggravated a lot of people too, he debunked their lifetime
beliefs in a matter of minutes. he is often referred to as the great debunker
UG: Why are we concerned with enlightenment at all?
Jeffrey: Well, what else is there to do?
Ahahah amazing answer, lovely XD Jeffrey you are the best!
@aaugoaa I hear what u say, yet as far as I perceive, he is telling that the whole notion of what we may call ' our own spiritual experiences' is totally based on the knowledge that we got from the ones before us and created as a thought in our minds and therefore they do not really exist rather than in the form of a thought...it is really challenging what he is talking about...
UG is the only drug I crave.
And you still believe in Islam
@@indianagency7538try to look past the name perhaps
@@hussaindaud1260 Not just the name, look at his attire.
@@indianagency7538 oh boy. I think you're right.
@@indianagency7538 Hahaha he is using UG as a tool to question us.
I had an idea that U.G. Krishnamurti was an idiot because he sounded bitter. But bitterness is an unavoidable state of being, when you question all the goodness of the world. So today I felt free to listen to him without any prejudice. He is not enlightened and that is absolutely interesting. He doesn't focus on ego (although he does). We are all superior. Don't be afraid of being bitter.
Wait a second!! Were you listening J krishnamurti before UG like me? Your wording sounds like JK
Lack of a social life brought me here....😂😂
isloated from herd of sheeps 😇 you are a lion.
@@beantmander lol.. that would be an insult to the lion... 😂
thank you for posting