i want to ask you to do a same several transformation video on Steve but yeah we know what change from Steve 😂😂😂. anyway great video as always, usually you using a mod or forget to remove it, but now it's not safe to install mod 😅.
@@mwkan772 it's sad man, when mod can make we more enjoyable with the game. anyway I'm sorry i wasn't check that you already made Steve transformation video 😅.
t7 lee season 2 afterwards was super strong afterwards though? his s2 was his prime because he had a good tracking d3 and a launching 10f move with acid rain when you're slightly off axis. you can go for insane oki with a safe slide attempt by doing d3 after acid rain back then. in s4 and patch 5.00 he's still super strong. you can't say he needs more buffs when he literally has acid rain, b4, ff4, ff3, b11f, 223, high evading df1, insane wall carry, easy, best magic 4 and magic 4 series in the game, super consistent and relatively high damage wall combo. though, season 1 lee was just plain sad. but saying he was still weak or underwhelming after s1 is just plain wrong. this downplaying with lee needs to stop.
@@praisemidir downplaying anyone is not fine at all. i see a fair share of kazuyas trying to downplay the power of electrics when they have no idea the amount of pressure it does to you when you try to approach or do anything against them. i play lee so i can just ff4 my problems away but vsing them with any other character is a nightmare for me. i don't main kazuya tho or have as much knowledge with him compared to Lee so I can't say anything definitive in that matter, but that's what i feel about him
He’s hard to pilot and he has clear weaknesses. Even if you aren’t in the lab 24/7 you can probably understand what’s happening in the match. It’s hard to complain about an honest character that doesn’t have an endless list of knowledge checks and has easy to understand counter play.
He's very strong (but not in an op or oppressive or evasive way like for example Feng, D Jin or Dragunov) and had one of the biggest glow ups from 7 (alongside King and Dragunov) but he isn't broken or brain-dead, just very solid and strong. Still needs work one can't autopilot 😅 And almost all Lee players are respectful and cool dudes who work their character and they're rarely carried (unlike e.g. Victor, Alisa or Lars players for example). Man i only wish Kaz had that treatment. I don't play Lee but it's a cool character that I enjoy facing 😀😀
@@sheeneemeeSSL, mid checks, and power lows. Lee kills jab-happy opponents, he has a long standing reputation of high crushing a lot of stuff. But when checked with mids, he has to start respecting the check or disengage and step back to neutral range.
@@fxlja B4 also helps with mids honestly ide argue his bigger weakness are he has no good way to take advantage of his plus frames as in order to really use them he has mist step which kinda limits his options(except his F4,1 that one is amazing)
The only negative point on the differences in my opinion is that they removed the db1+2 unblockeable, I used to trick people sometimes by doing it, they probably were thinking that I was ki-charging. That move was legacy since T1
Lee deserved every single one of those buffs, the difference is night and day between T7 and T8 Lee, T8's version is satisfying and you feel that you get something by putting in all that hardwork. P.s. those combos are sick
Nah his heat is pretty insane, plus if you actually land the just frames, you GAIN (not retain heat… you gain…) heat. For me playing Lee in heat is too fun
B2 loops in t8 are 100% easier. In t7 in order to loop you'd have to press F fast enough and you couldn't hold it, but in t8 you fan do b2 and hold forward and you get mist step. Way easier.
Lee Magic 4 was unique in Tekken 7. 44 2nd hit jails, tracks both ways, -5 and pushback on block. So he didn't really lose his turn after it. Other characters did lose their turn on block with their magic 4s. Since most are like -7 or more on block, have no pushback or even have vulnerabilities in them such as Katarina 444. Lee and Law had the best magic 4s.
Lee's b+3,3 looks very similar to Law's old d+3,3 because of the high side kick. Lee's Hitman 1,1,1 is quite similar to Law's 1,1,1 because it's a triple backfist with the first two being low damage and the last one being high damage.
Lore wise, Lee trained with Paul and Marshall Law prior to the events of Tekken 1. His fighting style is an adapted mix of said training along with Mishima martial arts, since he's Heihachi's adopted son :)
10:55 this kicharge animation is since t1 motion capture costs a lot of money, and there are over9k animations in tekken, so Harada saves money as he can, lol
the one thing Lee 7 has over Lee 8 is fucking rage drive holy shit I like that move so much more then fucking heat smash(or is it burst i forgor) the satifaction you got when it hit is unmatched
As someone that stapled 3xb2 in tekken 7. It feels like they increased the window on the late end when looping. The t7 timing is too quick on t8 and they don't come out at all.
How could you not mention the most crucial part of lee kit?! In tekken 7 he has lame regular taunt. In tekken 8 he can do justframe taunt that regain some heat and has new voiceline
I know itd be more work, and training modes are already getting better, but i wonder if a little frame thing that shows where the frame perfect input is on the char themself, so you can see if youre doing too late or early
Not sure how Lee's just frames work but I am a Hwo main and we got 2 new just frames in 8. 3~4 has a just frame version were you must hold 3 for only 1 frame. You can see next to your inputs some frame indicators showing you how many frames you're pressing and how many frames there are in between. You can look at that and see how the numbers differ in the Just frame version!!
It works 90% of the time on male characters, but it whiffs 90% of the time on female characters... I just don't try to do this when fighting females. The devs could make it more consistent but that would be a huge buff for Lee and maybe this would make him too OP... I think he is fine rn and don't need any buff.
I was a Lee main in T7 and i was sure smth is of with the character, felt ultra cheap somehow and changed a lot to the point he is just way easier so i dropped him because he lost the identity of being a hard underdog char.
Dude Lee is direct proof that people don’t understand what happened to Tekken, for them it’s still a difficult character for the cool boys. Lee is a character with no weaknesses, with top 2 or even top 1 damage in combos, has the BEST punishes in the game, for every minus frame he has a very strong response, 13f heat eng punish)) Safe slide, homing 15f low, 16f counterhit launcher low . If you don't want to take risks, he has non-risky lows. 14f running, ff3 with delay literally homing, broken armor and lack of execution. Honest hero lmao, 1444 is so hard, buff lee faster
Lee has a few weaknesses lol, for example almost all of his +frames come for highs and his tracking is somewhat worse than T7, i’m not denying he’s strong but you definitely need to work for it
@@SaintLoran worse tracking? Running tracking to the left, ff3 and armor to the right. b33 homing, 1+2 one of the best homing in the game, the slide track in both directions. In T8 plus frames do not matter, there is a hit system, Lee takes you out for one combo, demolishes 110 dmg into oki, ff3 in a block if you guessed in plus frames, one mixup and you die. Ofc duck against Lee is the worst idea, ff3 is the strongest neutral tool, like 14f mid running or b4
Idk, I don't think Lee's heat is as opressive as the top 10 chars... Don't get me wrong, he definitely is very strong, but when compared to DJ, Jun, King, Xiaoyu, Drag... I don't think Lee's heat is top 5, but maybe it's top 10 tho. The thing with Lee's heat is that "only" allows you to do just frames without execution, but you still have to break your opponent guard to explore this, and if your opponent has good defense or knows the Lee matchup, Lee in heat suddenly is not that strong like DJ for example, that once he's is in heat you basically have no counterplay and have to stay on your feet to block heat smash and he just wavu wavu and apply his 50/50 into you and all you can do is guess.
@@guilhermearaujo4414 he can recover heat while doing chip damage, no execution means he arguably has the best 10 and 11 frame in the game. He can constantly stay in plus frames as well.
@@TheDamonslaya the only way to recover his heat is by doing high moves (almost all his just frames are highs). So if you try to recover your eat, you risk your opponent ducking and launching
This is why Lee mains have been so quiet lol, don't want it getting out that lee is op now, and ik lots of ppl are like "LEe neEdeD bUfFs CUz HeS So HarD to PlAY" but like in tekken 8 he is so baby mode, all of his just frame moves just work regardless of if u do them right, only difference is they slightly better if u do the justframe but overall they toned his execution way down and on top of that he has lots of good tools, just another victim of tekken 8 removing identity from characters in favor of making them all perfect instead. Except Leroy ofc, hes like the only character who isn't op in this game lmao
whats so hard about that lol? b2 has become much easier, otherwise his combos are the same simple as the others, this is not Akuma lvl, but dmg 100+@mwkan772
i want to ask you to do a same several transformation video on Steve but yeah we know what change from Steve 😂😂😂. anyway great video as always, usually you using a mod or forget to remove it, but now it's not safe to install mod 😅.
no bro I've deleted all the mods..
and I've already made a video on steve..you can check it out here^^
ua-cam.com/video/ByWMfHh8HwM/v-deo.html
@@mwkan772 it's sad man, when mod can make we more enjoyable with the game.
anyway I'm sorry i wasn't check that you already made Steve transformation video 😅.
If there's a character that deserved buffs,was Lee...
His execution to work properly wasn't rewarding enough.
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But honestly, Lee like this is not hated by everyone.
He's cool and the players also marvelous.
t7 lee season 2 afterwards was super strong afterwards though? his s2 was his prime because he had a good tracking d3 and a launching 10f move with acid rain when you're slightly off axis. you can go for insane oki with a safe slide attempt by doing d3 after acid rain back then. in s4 and patch 5.00 he's still super strong. you can't say he needs more buffs when he literally has acid rain, b4, ff4, ff3, b11f, 223, high evading df1, insane wall carry, easy, best magic 4 and magic 4 series in the game, super consistent and relatively high damage wall combo.
though, season 1 lee was just plain sad. but saying he was still weak or underwhelming after s1 is just plain wrong. this downplaying with lee needs to stop.
@@tempest-2124 So downplaying kazuya electric and hellsweep is fine but not lee
@@praisemidir downplaying anyone is not fine at all. i see a fair share of kazuyas trying to downplay the power of electrics when they have no idea the amount of pressure it does to you when you try to approach or do anything against them. i play lee so i can just ff4 my problems away but vsing them with any other character is a nightmare for me.
i don't main kazuya tho or have as much knowledge with him compared to Lee so I can't say anything definitive in that matter, but that's what i feel about him
He also has a JUST FRAME TAUNT 😂
haha yes
Marvelous!
Lee's one of the fews characters i dont see people complain, either playing him or against him
He’s hard to pilot and he has clear weaknesses. Even if you aren’t in the lab 24/7 you can probably understand what’s happening in the match. It’s hard to complain about an honest character that doesn’t have an endless list of knowledge checks and has easy to understand counter play.
He's very strong (but not in an op or oppressive or evasive way like for example Feng, D Jin or Dragunov) and had one of the biggest glow ups from 7 (alongside King and Dragunov) but he isn't broken or brain-dead, just very solid and strong. Still needs work one can't autopilot 😅
And almost all Lee players are respectful and cool dudes who work their character and they're rarely carried (unlike e.g. Victor, Alisa or Lars players for example).
Man i only wish Kaz had that treatment. I don't play Lee but it's a cool character that I enjoy facing 😀😀
@@Topgamer357What is lee’s weakness
@@sheeneemeeSSL, mid checks, and power lows.
Lee kills jab-happy opponents, he has a long standing reputation of high crushing a lot of stuff. But when checked with mids, he has to start respecting the check or disengage and step back to neutral range.
@@fxlja B4 also helps with mids honestly ide argue his bigger weakness are he has no good way to take advantage of his plus frames as in order to really use them he has mist step which kinda limits his options(except his F4,1 that one is amazing)
don't forget that you also refill some of your heat meter back if you do the just frame input of any moves.
The only negative point on the differences in my opinion is that they removed the db1+2 unblockeable, I used to trick people sometimes by doing it, they probably were thinking that I was ki-charging. That move was legacy since T1
Despite his default costume being trash, Lee is one the better designed characters in this game! Marvelous!
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Don’t use ub3 on wall after low slump. Use db3+4 for OKi
Lee deserved every single one of those buffs, the difference is night and day between T7 and T8 Lee, T8's version is satisfying and you feel that you get something by putting in all that hardwork.
P.s. those combos are sick
so true
One of the benefactors of T8 system
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Lee's Heat is one the worst imo, it's great that you can do easy 10f punish, but other than that, idk, it's kinda bad.
Also... Marvelous!
I mean I guess but being able to do a mist trap without stressing eith the input is also amazingly strong
I disagree simply because of ff3
I wouldn’t say one of the worst when certain moves become launchers. FF3, HMS U3,
Nah his heat is pretty insane, plus if you actually land the just frames, you GAIN (not retain heat… you gain…) heat. For me playing Lee in heat is too fun
He's even more unique than Tekken 7 Lee
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B2 loops in t8 are 100% easier. In t7 in order to loop you'd have to press F fast enough and you couldn't hold it, but in t8 you fan do b2 and hold forward and you get mist step. Way easier.
Oh wow, I played for a bit in T7, I haven't messed with him enough in T8 to be aware of this change. That's crazy!
I think they were easy in the first place. Lees combos are not the hard part. it is the pickups and justframes
it's looks like iws from mist step is easier in T8 too. at least for me.
@@obiyofi9792 To me it's about the same, the hard part is getting to mist consistently. I have zero practice with it in t7.
Lee Magic 4 was unique in Tekken 7.
44 2nd hit jails, tracks both ways, -5 and pushback on block. So he didn't really lose his turn after it.
Other characters did lose their turn on block with their magic 4s.
Since most are like -7 or more on block, have no pushback or even have vulnerabilities in them such as Katarina 444.
Lee and Law had the best magic 4s.
I see
I read somewhere that Lee while using a modified version of the Mishima style he actually learned some moves from Law hence his kicks etc.
I also want to see who you think got the best improvement from 7 to 8.
And we all agree, Lee Chaobla needed improvements.
dragunov or lee
I would say lee cuz he's more fun and pretty much a balanced character
drag on the other hand is straight up broken
absolutely marvelous!
4:26 but df2 range in t8 feels a little less
Lee looks really fun in Tekken 8 ngl
M A R V E L O U S
when the last hit of 434 hits you can do hitman u4 into ub3 or blazing kick for more damage
I see
Lee's gameplay in 8 is so cool
Lee's b+3,3 looks very similar to Law's old d+3,3 because of the high side kick.
Lee's Hitman 1,1,1 is quite similar to Law's 1,1,1 because it's a triple backfist with the first two being low damage and the last one being high damage.
Lore wise, Lee trained with Paul and Marshall Law prior to the events of Tekken 1. His fighting style is an adapted mix of said training along with Mishima martial arts, since he's Heihachi's adopted son :)
Marvelous
Thank god he didn’t lose his identity in 8
10:55 this kicharge animation is since t1
motion capture costs a lot of money, and there are over9k animations in tekken, so Harada saves money as he can, lol
DF2 CRUSHES HIGHS? no fuckin wonder i was constantly fucked up by it goddam
You only forgot the just frame taunt
xD
Shouldve said EXCELLENT instead of significant
His b+3,3 reminds me of Jin's old d+3,3. Guaranteed nc from a low and I miss it...
I see
Imo b2 loops were easier in t7
when they flop they way the end of 343 makes them u can get hms u4 and blazing kick
Excellent!
Yes his 4,4,4 is tied for fastest nc heat engager together with Nina db1+2 👍 Nice video
Lee chaolan have some of Jin Kazama's moves.
Lee's 1+2 into hitman is also now +2 on block, which lets you enforce mindgames rather than giving up your turn.
the one thing Lee 7 has over Lee 8 is fucking rage drive holy shit I like that move so much more then fucking heat smash(or is it burst i forgor) the satifaction you got when it hit is unmatched
Do nina
And he has a just frame taunt xd
As someone that stapled 3xb2 in tekken 7. It feels like they increased the window on the late end when looping. The t7 timing is too quick on t8 and they don't come out at all.
It's time to eat as a Lee player! All that dedication is paying off in T8, he's a beast.
5:40 also reactable
They also nerfed lees back turned punish df343 to no longer be a luncher RIP the TOD lee could have got if it was still in tekken 8
I see
What timing do u use for acid rain
it's pure muscle memory
input the 3 as the kick connects
Iamyourfather had done a just frame guide in tk7 you can look it up
DAAAMN, THE AKUM 10F PUNISH DAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNNNN
If they nerf b33, he is done.
He needed it
haha indeed
How could you not mention the most crucial part of lee kit?!
In tekken 7 he has lame regular taunt. In tekken 8 he can do justframe taunt that regain some heat and has new voiceline
xD
Marvelous ki charge. I wish paul gets a good ki charge animation.
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Marvelous!
After 434 flips use HMS uf4 into ub3 for more damage.
Isn't that what he did?
I mean not on wall combo, but when he showed it hitting on standing opponent.
Lee got INJECTED with a lot of steriods from T7 to T8😂
haha yes
Nice video by the way.
Thanks bro
I know itd be more work, and training modes are already getting better, but i wonder if a little frame thing that shows where the frame perfect input is on the char themself, so you can see if youre doing too late or early
Not sure how Lee's just frames work but I am a Hwo main and we got 2 new just frames in 8. 3~4 has a just frame version were you must hold 3 for only 1 frame. You can see next to your inputs some frame indicators showing you how many frames you're pressing and how many frames there are in between. You can look at that and see how the numbers differ in the Just frame version!!
@@AlexToti i never have inputs turned on so i didnt know they had numbers, oops
@@HELLRAISER02 I don't blame ya! I like my UI clean but it really helps with finding the right input. Good luck with it!!
What can you say about ws2,3 into heat engager consistency?
It works 90% of the time on male characters, but it whiffs 90% of the time on female characters... I just don't try to do this when fighting females.
The devs could make it more consistent but that would be a huge buff for Lee and maybe this would make him too OP... I think he is fine rn and don't need any buff.
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@@guilhermearaujo4414 Understandable, thanks!
This video is marvelous 💯
glad you liked it^^
@@mwkan772 i'm a Lee main ofc 💯🤗👍
I was a Lee main in T7 and i was sure smth is of with the character, felt ultra cheap somehow and changed a lot to the point he is just way easier so i dropped him because he lost the identity of being a hard underdog char.
Pretty dumb decision. Nothing is cheap about him
lee in tekken 8 is even harder than tekken 7
@@mwkan772 why you think so? I. Thought he became easier in 8, but i could be wrong
after t7 s1, lee is strong. he's not an underdog char
My only and biggest complain about lee is that B33 is so braindead
it's launch punishable
Duck and punish, lee dies
15f homing low into +3, this shit should stagger on block
@@scarexdd It's literally launch punishable if you duck the first hit so it kinda functions the same with blocked lows that staggers.
@@Harveeee dude youre crazy. If this was a real "the same", the stagger mechanics wouldn't exist, lol
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Dude Lee is direct proof that people don’t understand what happened to Tekken, for them it’s still a difficult character for the cool boys. Lee is a character with no weaknesses, with top 2 or even top 1 damage in combos, has the BEST punishes in the game, for every minus frame he has a very strong response, 13f heat eng punish)) Safe slide, homing 15f low, 16f counterhit launcher low . If you don't want to take risks, he has non-risky lows. 14f running, ff3 with delay literally homing, broken armor and lack of execution. Honest hero lmao, 1444 is so hard, buff lee faster
Lmao
Who do you main? Do you eat Lee's B33 all the time? 😂
@@HarveeeeIts funny that when faced with facts that cannot be argued with, lee players usually “pretend to laugh,” as if following a pattern.
Lee has a few weaknesses lol, for example almost all of his +frames come for highs and his tracking is somewhat worse than T7, i’m not denying he’s strong but you definitely need to work for it
@@SaintLoran worse tracking? Running tracking to the left, ff3 and armor to the right. b33 homing, 1+2 one of the best homing in the game, the slide track in both directions. In T8 plus frames do not matter, there is a hit system, Lee takes you out for one combo, demolishes 110 dmg into oki, ff3 in a block if you guessed in plus frames, one mixup and you die. Ofc duck against Lee is the worst idea, ff3 is the strongest neutral tool, like 14f mid running or b4
Lee with heat is top 5 imo.
Idk, I don't think Lee's heat is as opressive as the top 10 chars... Don't get me wrong, he definitely is very strong, but when compared to DJ, Jun, King, Xiaoyu, Drag... I don't think Lee's heat is top 5, but maybe it's top 10 tho.
The thing with Lee's heat is that "only" allows you to do just frames without execution, but you still have to break your opponent guard to explore this, and if your opponent has good defense or knows the Lee matchup, Lee in heat suddenly is not that strong like DJ for example, that once he's is in heat you basically have no counterplay and have to stay on your feet to block heat smash and he just wavu wavu and apply his 50/50 into you and all you can do is guess.
@@guilhermearaujo4414 he can recover heat while doing chip damage, no execution means he arguably has the best 10 and 11 frame in the game. He can constantly stay in plus frames as well.
@@TheDamonslaya Yea, you're right. But I don't think it's top 5 imo
@@TheDamonslaya the only way to recover his heat is by doing high moves (almost all his just frames are highs). So if you try to recover your eat, you risk your opponent ducking and launching
This is why Lee mains have been so quiet lol, don't want it getting out that lee is op now, and ik lots of ppl are like "LEe neEdeD bUfFs CUz HeS So HarD to PlAY" but like in tekken 8 he is so baby mode, all of his just frame moves just work regardless of if u do them right, only difference is they slightly better if u do the justframe but overall they toned his execution way down and on top of that he has lots of good tools, just another victim of tekken 8 removing identity from characters in favor of making them all perfect instead. Except Leroy ofc, hes like the only character who isn't op in this game lmao
Lee has more execution requirements in tekken 8 than in 7 cuz you wanna always get the wall without bound to do the wall combo
whats so hard about that lol? b2 has become much easier, otherwise his combos are the same simple as the others, this is not Akuma lvl, but dmg 100+@mwkan772