@@akpade saying jin doesn't have wallcarry when you have b3,2 and b2, is crazy, and normally no you don't get 80dmg for free with ewgf, kazuyas staple does 74dmg, 2dmg more than jin and the combo at least requires you to linnk 2 ewgf without tornado and a microdash, jins combo is pretty straight forward. In any normal size map from round start: ewgf > ewgf > b3f1 > b3,2 > (wall) 2 > db2,2,3 = 88dmg if u need more wallcarry you do b,f2 after the b3f2 into heat bound into b3f1,2, up to 90dmg or more with walls i think u can also link heat bound after doing b3f1 twice so you have above average wallcarry with jin
Their vision with omen was basically to make it a grounded hit tool like reina's cd3 thunder god kick or whatever it was called. But, not only is it slower, being what, i18, but grounded hits are also inconsistent outside of 1,b2,2. Also 1,b2,2 still launches on ch iirc, but only through a ch jab otherwise it doesn't. People are all talking about the df1 nerf but what's insane is that he has mixup options out of it now. He can just do df1,2, mid mid I think that's safe. Or df1,jsf2 which is -9 ob and does chip, wallsplats natural combo if it hits. And then df1,charge2 for a blocked wallsplat. So hitting f4 at the wall basically sets up chances for his mixup game, which seems extremely potent.
i dont think df1,2 is safe btw. its not safe in T7, but you might be right, because df1,2 doesnt knockdown anymore. not really sure what they did there.
Df12 no charge is not safe, its -13 standing. And the full charge version doesn't wall splat on block. Also, you can't transition to raijin stance from df12, and even if you could like you can from b2, you can only transition when full charged. It is, however, safe when you do the just frame version, and is still natural combo. Whether the just frame version can be interrupted we will just have to wait and see.
@@AOTOM382 they said themselves jsf isn't interruptable. It's -9 on block. Df1,2 uncharged is -13, +1 fully charged no guard break properties. Iirc it wall crumples which will be very good since considering it's kinda a 50/50 between a wallsplatting uninterruptable move, and a massive damage wall crumple move that allows virtually any mixup at the wall. Think dvj's half charged db1+2, it's +24 at the wall you are forced to take the mixup no matter what. This comes directly from the Dev's deep dive on heihachi.
The one thing that I didn't want them to change at all was the omen. I was actually worried they might make it only tornado launch and I won't be able to do 2 omen combos but was shocked to know that it won't launch at all :(
@@riveteye93 I practiced them on my free time whilst working on my major💀 If anything, it was the thing that helped me in a time I barely had any breathing room
@@mothman566 still, it sucks knowing what they did with the move. Like they did with jin's f4 combos and his playstyle overall. I'm not complaining about hei as a whole though, would surely main him again.
@riveteye93 ah yes kbd and sidestep to see what my opponent does was too complicated, its so much better when people just spam power crush 24/7 for defense
True, just remember some key moves like poking and safe launching, as well as counter hit moves, then when you're done with that, transition to memorizing the rest for further improvement@@yoch5383
Yeah this is the dumbest fucking change. I felt like the main argument for Heihachi was that Reina lacked Omen, and some cool execution stuff. If Heihachi doesn't even have it what's the point of bringing him back?
To be honest, they made heihachi so broken already, that this doesn't even feep like a nerf, the man's got everything and more now, plus easier inputs.
it’s sucks that heilhachi has been come another stance character as most stance characters are annoying to play as. If they really wanted to make him have a stance just keep and expand the one he had in t7 or just give him Reina’s easy wind god step and call it a day
I really like t8 and prefer it to t7 but it's hard to deny just how clean t7 still looks, like there's less visual noise, and omen used to launch too. Definitely got reason to keep this game installed too.
I remember picking up Reina when the game dropped and being dissapointed she didn't have a real Omen Then Heihachi got announced Then the gameplay trailer It's been a ride
I see no reason why they removed it, it was a niche move and a just frame aswell. if hworang gets to keep his just frame launcher then why cant heihachi ?
You know, you are exactly correct man! I really hope enough people will bombard tekken’s twitter and convince the devs to revert OTGF back to its original form in T7. It’s just not fair…
is it actually confirmed that OTGF doesn’t launch anymore. it was hard to tell, in King Jae’s video, regarding the move-list, but it didn’t have a tornado indicator, iirc
uhhhhh, no. the move list video clearly shows the old input still being there, and in King Jae’s video they demonstrate that Omen has blue sparks still, as well as his PEWGF. where tf are you people coming up with this info
@@dumithegreat3892 I didnt say the input is gone I said CHANGED, yes you can still do the old input but why tf would you input the old one when its harder.
@@kd4u49 the point of heihachi is breaking the rules of poking in t7. He has objectively the most busted mids and NO LOWS to make up for it. now they nerfed his fun stuff the broken mid poking. and made him a boring stance mixup character that will be easier to play neutral wise
I sure f*****g hope so, I’ve practiced countless countless hours on consistently master OTGF, I really hope enough heihachi mains will bombard twitter and just get the devs to revert OTGF back to the way it was in T7. We can only pray and hope man…😭
They should have made kazuya’s omen launch if they was just gonna butcher heihachi and gives some of his moves to Reina and Kuma. Kaz should of had a lot of heihachis old stuff if they were gonna give heihachi nerfs and stances
no where near his biggest nerf… not even a top 10 priority move. it’s main utility was max damage follow up after ws1, rage drive, f1+2, and thats been buffed since it’s easier to do now. df1 being -5 and f3 no longer ch launching/knd are the biggest nerfs.
WAIT what if the otgf is affected by his ultimate form? They say when he gains tokens and when he’s in his ultimate form moves gain different properties so otgf may be different too
After looking at the health bar and seeing all that health gone and no way to get it back makes me feel very good. Lol in Tekken 8 you do combos like that and all the grey life they can get back if you make 1 mistake. In T7 i do an 80% damage combo you are not getting none of that health back. Rage drive and RA made it easy for a comback. But in T8. The whole enitre match is a comback mechanic 😂
@olsenarliawan2951 combo damage is lower. Yes. But I like my opponent not being able to get health back. My actual technique is called "standing damage" I would purposely not juggle my opponents. I would use a lot of pokes and moves that just didn't allow for juggles or combos. Now if the move knocked down and allowed for free ground hit I would focus on that type of move to keep momentum. Now in T8 that's the main strategy "do not knock down, keep momentum" a lot of moves that used to knockdown and juggle just don't anymore and it allows for more damage to be done (standing damage) and it works very good with Leroy. I get you to 80% and you are not getting NONE of that health back due to standing damage, combo/juggle damage is recoverable
I'm still hoping that what they showed was a normal thunder godfist and not omen. Omen is my favourite move in the series I need it back 😭😭 and if it doesnt launch I hope they change it eventually like they did in 7
Yeah it's sad that Omen or Electric Thunder godfist now (Well iirc anyways) can't be a combo filler. Just a pure ender, seriously those combos are cool af I would've trained if T8 didn't come out but alas they remove it, Not a bound nor a filler. The only positive I can say is I can do it cause it's not a Perfect Electric Input (F*DF 1) only just an Electric Input (Well from what I've heard/remember) but still man sucks that I can't do cool sht. But it is what it is.
its not that big of a nerf as that move is a gamble. it hurts his combos a bit but we dont need another dragonov so its fine. i think the counter hit luancher from f4 hurts more as it was a safe mid poke that launched. now you have to confirm and you dont get much from it
:( no more randomly throwing out OTGF and getting a free round..............worst part is you cant even use it in combos in t8 any more......only as an ender, sometimes
I don't care i don't play T8 this trash game I keep playing my heihachi on T7 I was hoping they nerf fucking FF2 they buffed it I've hoping they nerf DB2, they buffed it I've hoping they add old OTGF from T4 They killed it I was hoping they delete ws 3,1+2 or they bring back the difficult pickup from Season 3 or season 2 i don't remember. they add a new one piss easy and faster i was hoping they don't add stupid gard break, they add one Oh and wtf is this F4 into DF12 that launch when opponent is crouching..... Yeah, nice thank you namco
“This is gonna hurt” I think Leroy was referring to the OTGF that’s about to hit him. 😂
It's a Tekken 7 meme but it's a great one 😂
Did that to him too while in the zoom in he was talking with jin rage drive looked funny😂😅
The timing is hilarious 😂
Leroy: This is gonna hurt
Heihachi: GIDDY UP
😂😂😂😂
So Jin can launch with a normal EWGF but Heihachi can't with a just frame ?
Try to get high dmg (at least 80dmg) out of launching with ewgf with Jin, spoiler alert, you can’t
@akpade huh? You can use heat in t8. Also jin's ewhf has lower damage but the wall carry into combo is huge dmg.
They made the omen input the same as the Electric
@@StoicSavant621 you can’t wall carry into combo when you launch with ewgf, go try it you’ll see
@@akpade saying jin doesn't have wallcarry when you have b3,2 and b2, is crazy, and normally no you don't get 80dmg for free with ewgf, kazuyas staple does 74dmg, 2dmg more than jin and the combo at least requires you to linnk 2 ewgf without tornado and a microdash, jins combo is pretty straight forward.
In any normal size map from round start:
ewgf > ewgf > b3f1 > b3,2 > (wall) 2 > db2,2,3 = 88dmg
if u need more wallcarry you do b,f2 after the b3f2 into heat bound into b3f1,2, up to 90dmg or more with walls
i think u can also link heat bound after doing b3f1 twice so you have above average wallcarry with jin
The old voice is good but i just like the tekken 7 one bcs of how good it feels when he said sorya when the electric hits
Old va passed away
Same with jin ‘DAH
For me his ewgf will always be "oh yeah!" 😂😂
Their vision with omen was basically to make it a grounded hit tool like reina's cd3 thunder god kick or whatever it was called. But, not only is it slower, being what, i18, but grounded hits are also inconsistent outside of 1,b2,2. Also 1,b2,2 still launches on ch iirc, but only through a ch jab otherwise it doesn't.
People are all talking about the df1 nerf but what's insane is that he has mixup options out of it now. He can just do df1,2, mid mid I think that's safe. Or df1,jsf2 which is -9 ob and does chip, wallsplats natural combo if it hits. And then df1,charge2 for a blocked wallsplat. So hitting f4 at the wall basically sets up chances for his mixup game, which seems extremely potent.
i dont think df1,2 is safe btw. its not safe in T7, but you might be right, because df1,2 doesnt knockdown anymore. not really sure what they did there.
I think it is but with stance transition
Df12 no charge is not safe, its -13 standing. And the full charge version doesn't wall splat on block. Also, you can't transition to raijin stance from df12, and even if you could like you can from b2, you can only transition when full charged. It is, however, safe when you do the just frame version, and is still natural combo. Whether the just frame version can be interrupted we will just have to wait and see.
@@AOTOM382 they said themselves jsf isn't interruptable. It's -9 on block. Df1,2 uncharged is -13, +1 fully charged no guard break properties. Iirc it wall crumples which will be very good since considering it's kinda a 50/50 between a wallsplatting uninterruptable move, and a massive damage wall crumple move that allows virtually any mixup at the wall. Think dvj's half charged db1+2, it's +24 at the wall you are forced to take the mixup no matter what.
This comes directly from the Dev's deep dive on heihachi.
1:35 i like to think that he says that to himself
The one thing that I didn't want them to change at all was the omen. I was actually worried they might make it only tornado launch and I won't be able to do 2 omen combos but was shocked to know that it won't launch at all :(
Atleast he has something legacy left in him.
@@dronnovik95they took away the legacy
@@breezetha27 omen never launched prior to tekken 7 FR.
@@dronnovik95 im pretty sure it launched in tag 2 / 6
@@worstperson2ask no it didnt. Even better, it didnt launch in vanilla tekken 7. It is one of the newest stuff hei got.
I can feel Mwkan 7's anger over heihachi being ruined with these ki charges 😭
Leeroy: This is gonna hurt!
Heihachi: I know.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂I’m actually crying rn
They also nerfed his running away move to be used just once 😩
NOOOO I loved that move it was so funny
Why'd they have to do this man😭 I practiced all those otgf for months only to have it removed in t8, feelsbadman
You used your time unwisely, take the responsibility.
@@riveteye93 I practiced them on my free time whilst working on my major💀
If anything, it was the thing that helped me in a time I barely had any breathing room
@@stealthexecutor563coping
Honestly, you probably have the best heihachi ever in t8, this one move doesn't even make him feel slightly balanced
@@mothman566 still, it sucks knowing what they did with the move. Like they did with jin's f4 combos and his playstyle overall. I'm not complaining about hei as a whole though, would surely main him again.
Its so impressive that you play so many characters at a high level, even the hardest characters
get ready for lei wulong to only have 2 stances and a move list of under 90.
the dumbing is real in T8
Yoshi didn't get this treatment.
It's not dumbing down. It's removing unnecessary complexity while keeping the depth.
@@riveteye93 Keeping the depth ? Dude now anyone can play him wtf
@riveteye93 ah yes kbd and sidestep to see what my opponent does was too complicated, its so much better when people just spam power crush 24/7 for defense
True, just remember some key moves like poking and safe launching, as well as counter hit moves, then when you're done with that, transition to memorizing the rest for further improvement@@yoch5383
Yeah this is the dumbest fucking change. I felt like the main argument for Heihachi was that Reina lacked Omen, and some cool execution stuff. If Heihachi doesn't even have it what's the point of bringing him back?
This was actually why I was considering picking him up in t8 but after watching his moves and now this, I’ve lost all hope
The voice was the nerf 😭
Why? The VA fits heihachi imo, and he did a great job in tekken bloodline too. He also voiced bison in sf6 btw
The old va got died
toryeah
I think he does a great job
Rip old man Joseph va
Lmao people forget that the move never launched in any prior title, only in 7, this is more of a revert xD
To be honest, they made heihachi so broken already, that this doesn't even feep like a nerf, the man's got everything and more now, plus easier inputs.
it’s sucks that heilhachi has been come another stance character as most stance characters are annoying to play as. If they really wanted to make him have a stance just keep and expand the one he had in t7 or just give him Reina’s easy wind god step and call it a day
Moment of silence for the OG players...
Not only that it not launching anymore, but it also -11 on block if i was not wrong
This was my favorite of heihachis moves,
I literally played him to land those clutch omens and watch a health bar disappear
I really like t8 and prefer it to t7 but it's hard to deny just how clean t7 still looks, like there's less visual noise, and omen used to launch too. Definitely got reason to keep this game installed too.
I remember picking up Reina when the game dropped and being dissapointed she didn't have a real Omen
Then Heihachi got announced
Then the gameplay trailer
It's been a ride
Whatever, I never learned how to Omen anyway.
I see no reason why they removed it, it was a niche move and a just frame aswell. if hworang gets to keep his just frame launcher then why cant heihachi ?
fuck bamco
You know, you are exactly correct man! I really hope enough people will bombard tekken’s twitter and convince the devs to revert OTGF back to its original form in T7. It’s just not fair…
In T8 he is not heihachi anymore. He is Lidia + Reina put together.
No more slow animation but hits like a truck feel
He’s more like kazuya + Reina since he only has two stance compared to lidea’s four and Reina’s three.
is it actually confirmed that OTGF doesn’t launch anymore. it was hard to tell, in King Jae’s video, regarding the move-list, but it didn’t have a tornado indicator, iirc
Doesn't launch at all no insta tornado or launch, input is also changed so you just do a normal electric
Maybe the old input is still there, simply for bigger damage.
uhhhhh, no. the move list video clearly shows the old input still being there, and in King Jae’s video they demonstrate that Omen has blue sparks still, as well as his PEWGF. where tf are you people coming up with this info
@@dumithegreat3892 I didnt say the input is gone I said CHANGED, yes you can still do the old input but why tf would you input the old one when its harder.
Yes and no. Generally this kind of knockback cannot be comboed with, though there are exceptions like pauls old wcf3+4
his df1 is minus 5 on block.... will be boring to play compared to t7 version
What was it in t7 ?
@@akpade -1~-2
there are options out of df1 that's why it's -5
@@kd4u49he had options in tekken 7 too though. Df1,1 and df1,2
@@kd4u49 the point of heihachi is breaking the rules of poking in t7. He has objectively the most busted mids and NO LOWS to make up for it.
now they nerfed his fun stuff the broken mid poking. and made him a boring stance mixup character that will be easier to play neutral wise
I hope Bandai Namco buff the move back to how it was
Those Tekken 7 combos hurt way too much
0:44 와 7청뇌 대단 하시네요.
tekken 7 gameplay was so much better. I wish i could still get matches
The buffs he has gotten makes this nerf so insignificant. He looks borderline busted
They said that about Eddy and Lidia too 😭
It sucks but it’s not the worst thing ever it’s just classic omen again, at least they gave him perfect electrics now
They'll bring it back right?... Right?!?...
I sure f*****g hope so, I’ve practiced countless countless hours on consistently master OTGF, I really hope enough heihachi mains will bombard twitter and just get the devs to revert OTGF back to the way it was in T7. We can only pray and hope man…😭
Nerf❌
Balance✔️
Please create a hehachi combo guide ❤❤
Nemesis execution at his peak. I missed the Tekken 7 clips.
Lol just keyboard user
ps5 pad user
I am really going to miss Omen combos. no more wr 2 ch either. Hachi looks awesome in 8 tho
GOATED comment 💪❤️
I always forget Hulk was in Tekken 7.
The biggest nerf to Heihachi is how weak his "DORYAH!" is with his new voice actor
They should have made kazuya’s omen launch if they was just gonna butcher heihachi and gives some of his moves to Reina and Kuma. Kaz should of had a lot of heihachis old stuff if they were gonna give heihachi nerfs and stances
I'm pretty sure ewgf > otgf > f3 is going to be some sort of combo variant in Tekken 8, provided otgf still double flips
no where near his biggest nerf… not even a top 10 priority move. it’s main utility was max damage follow up after ws1, rage drive, f1+2, and thats been buffed since it’s easier to do now. df1 being -5 and f3 no longer ch launching/knd are the biggest nerfs.
The character is still insane
The Heihachi damage was so stupid god!
The damage was fine because of the execution
@@TheKingOfSmoke79no it is not 😭
Now that I’m seeing you on T7. You should play Miguel once again. It looked really amazing on your end!
I think these clips are old.
WAIT what if the otgf is affected by his ultimate form? They say when he gains tokens and when he’s in his ultimate form moves gain different properties so otgf may be different too
lets be real heihachi died in tekken 7 after he got his easy low punish.
he died with the last crouch cancel ewgf…
You can still do it if you want lol
T7 combo damage is actually regarded. I hoped T8 combo damage was even higher, everyone should do Akuma damage, but sadly no.
Wtf ? Are you high brother ?
After looking at the health bar and seeing all that health gone and no way to get it back makes me feel very good. Lol in Tekken 8 you do combos like that and all the grey life they can get back if you make 1 mistake.
In T7 i do an 80% damage combo you are not getting none of that health back. Rage drive and RA made it easy for a comback.
But in T8. The whole enitre match is a comback mechanic 😂
Weird that T8 combo damage is lower despite heat mechanic. They should increase the damage again, give everyone touch of death.
@olsenarliawan2951 combo damage is lower. Yes. But I like my opponent not being able to get health back.
My actual technique is called "standing damage" I would purposely not juggle my opponents. I would use a lot of pokes and moves that just didn't allow for juggles or combos.
Now if the move knocked down and allowed for free ground hit I would focus on that type of move to keep momentum.
Now in T8 that's the main strategy "do not knock down, keep momentum" a lot of moves that used to knockdown and juggle just don't anymore and it allows for more damage to be done (standing damage) and it works very good with Leroy. I get you to 80% and you are not getting NONE of that health back due to standing damage, combo/juggle damage is recoverable
To remove the otgf from heihachi doesn’t feel right
Damn! Incredible Hulk!
It's okay he only got a million other crazy cheap things in trade
I'm still hoping that what they showed was a normal thunder godfist and not omen. Omen is my favourite move in the series I need it back 😭😭 and if it doesnt launch I hope they change it eventually like they did in 7
I’m just waiting to see what you and other players are gonna do with his Warrior Instinct install when he drops next week.
Maybe it will give enough + frames to launch after hit?
This change would be so bad
They should give heihachi his omen back and kazuya a blue spark hellsweep into heavens gate...
Yeah it's sad that Omen or Electric Thunder godfist now (Well iirc anyways) can't be a combo filler.
Just a pure ender, seriously those combos are cool af I would've trained if T8 didn't come out but alas they remove it, Not a bound nor a filler.
The only positive I can say is I can do it cause it's not a Perfect Electric Input (F*DF 1) only just an Electric Input (Well from what I've heard/remember) but still man sucks that I can't do cool sht. But it is what it is.
this combo on the wall made me think of the clipper one from TMM
He needs another nerf. Dude has way too many positive frames
They dumbed him down, but he still seems kinda interesting. We will see.
you can't combo with omen anymore in tekken 8 heihachi 😢
its not that big of a nerf as that move is a gamble. it hurts his combos a bit but we dont need another dragonov so its fine. i think the counter hit luancher from f4 hurts more as it was a safe mid poke that launched. now you have to confirm and you dont get much from it
Nerfed? This guy is going to be the new drag
Man i spent soooo many hours of my life perfecting my otgf combos 😅 R.I.P
Just glad my main is coming back 🎉
Honestly it’s good that it’s gone. I could do it and it made him broken, but it was fun to do.
Isn't fun the point though
:( no more randomly throwing out OTGF and getting a free round..............worst part is you cant even use it in combos in t8 any more......only as an ender, sometimes
Damn how fast do you think i can read😂
Heihaxhis coolest move no longer launches? Guess ill barely even lab him for fun
eh it’s cause we have more combos now changing it up
Fun or not. Should a high crushing launcher do a 160 damage combos?
No but people still are gonna whine
Tekken 7 was so good
How about wait until next week to actually see his combo routes?
1:35 perhaps Leroy was right xd
2:56 What is Scorpion doing in Tekken?
They remove ch f3 also big nerf
Bro, the parry :c
Why does namco remove moves and strings?? Just makes the character worse
What I've noticed that Heihachi's OTGF is probably locked behind a stance and it's no longer a separate move
no, it’s a separate move dude. he also received PEWGF, it’s all in the move-list
Except, it is a separate move.
Anyone know the track playing when he is fighting Lars I've literally been searching for years at this point and I hear it every now and again 😢
Is he doing those tekken 7 combos on pad?
I would tradd most of this new bullshit for normal omen
They removed it because we’re not allowed to have any fun in tekken 8
Fun = killing instantly in one combo after getting destroyed by your opponent previously
@@Invader.Xim. no
Fun = stylish combos and high skill ceiling
They can nerf the damage to make it reasonable that’s not my point
@@adeebh1238 they did nerf it, so now it’s not possible lol
@@Invader.Xim. hence why I was complaining
Dummy
Nothing big! He will be top 10.
wait, there are some people still playing tekken 7?
What controller do you use
ps5 controller
1:35 lmfaooo
How do you wavedash into omen?
I don't care i don't play T8 this trash game
I keep playing my heihachi on T7
I was hoping they nerf fucking FF2 they buffed it
I've hoping they nerf DB2, they buffed it
I've hoping they add old OTGF from T4
They killed it
I was hoping they delete ws 3,1+2 or they bring back the difficult pickup from Season 3 or season 2 i don't remember. they add a new one piss easy and faster
i was hoping they don't add stupid gard break, they add one
Oh and wtf is this F4 into DF12 that launch when opponent is crouching.....
Yeah, nice thank you namco
T8 is amazing keep crying. You probably just mad cause you can't even run t8 on your toaster
@@Bankai90 How to tell me you haven't played any tekken exept tekken 8 with out telling me Keep the copium kid
@@yoch5383imagine a T7 in T8 its not gonna work
@@darkninja9499thats why t8 is a joke its not heihachi issue.
@@yoch5383 explain on how it's a joke
Lars scorpion lol
You're actually dumb if you think removing hei's 80% damage low-effort combos makes him less skillful to play
上手いな。
最速雷神拳なんか５回未満しか出せたことない。
🤓: "Uhm, actually, his omen doesn't launch anymore, so that he don't have 2 launchers with his-
😡: SHUT UP👊
R.I.P omen
whats the music from 2:35
Twilight Conflict from T7
@@ItzSebas1550 preciate it mane💯🤝🏾
Day before glass matrix 1st
Missing TERYA
Isnt this his new ff2 ?
What is mean of star Button?