Yoshi is the perfect character. Playing defensively? Let me choose from the 50+ unblockables I can do. Playing offensively? Let me do a flash to big damage. You've only been playing Tekken for 5 years? Watch all this crazy knowledge checks I can do. Unblockable to rage art. Unscaled combo ender. Life steal. Big fucking damage. It does not end with Yoshi. Oh and of course, his inputs are now easier.
Yoshi downplayers on their way to explain how their character defenitely is not top 5 in this game. Seriously, in Tekken 7 he was annoying but at the expense of having weak fundamental tools and worse damage. In this game he is so extremely frustrating to fight even when you know exactly what he's doing. Law is stupid strong as well but with him at least i know what to expect and can form basic gameplan before the match
It was a thing in T7 and is called a "flash punishment". It requires of you the knowledge of specific safe moves with little to no pushback. The number of these mover do grow in back to the wall situation, yet it is not something that "carries" a player, since it demonstrates his knowledge of the game and experience with a character. People who hate flash the most don't realise how easy it is to punish the move not on reaction, but on the read when like 98 % of Yoshi players just use it in primitive and repetative setups.
@@folivora6628 the presence of flash in his kit kills your ability to play offensively; not from using it, but from the idea that he might use it i wouldn't mind the character so much if he didn't have access to this insane, omnipresent defensive presence that unilaterally steals your pressure from you because you need to second guess yourself every time you get an advantage over him
Needs to drain more health. This corny mf can heal with heal mechanics AND steal health with other moves. Back then he didnt heal from any of his moves, but its way too broken in Tekken 8
He really don’t, this law aint block none if his lows, mashed constantly knowing flash exists and still managed to win. Yoshi is fine, ppl just need to take accountability not pressing buttons
@@ARR-g1q i play as and against yoshi so i know how to counter him. He got so many highs, mad risky moves he usually just kills himself so i let them kill themselves.
need someone to explain to me how the unblockable is not cheap. it's evasive and can't low jab, mid and highs will whiff. there's 50 different options yoshi can go for besides the unblockable. when it's done after a setup or behind the wall or if you're expecting oki. good luck guessing. only yoshi players willing to swear to god their character is not broken
there was more laws than yoshis in top 16 ? Where is the yoshi flooded top 8? Remember leroy t7 evo? these yoshi players aren't even placing, and no one is in a rush to go pick him up.
The biggest problem with Yoshi is his damage output, and I think spin should cost more health, to make up for how fast he gets out of the corner. Everything else is typical "I refuse to learn the matchup" type complaining, because the character has a way of making people feel stupid.
He need more buffs 8 frams homing mid which is unbreakable , unblockable and infinite wall range with 250 DMG and garantee followup for the next rounds
@@OctopusH2O have u ever played t6 Bruce , paul both had a unblockable guaranteed after the bound if opponent walk ups or tech roll towards side and we can bound them again, flash is nothing
Seeing people complain about characters while downplaying others is really funny. This isn't hard to understand, every character in this game is broken, the core mechanic of the game is broken. If they wish to change this they would have to start nerfing a lot of things and adjusting others.
Okay lets analyze the clips to see how truly stupid the character is. 0:01 ssr at -8 into df2, then a reactable setup. Knowledge check basically. 0:30 ducking the grab and then getting counter by 10 hit combo, where the 1,2,1 string is -16 unlike the character you are playing where you can hit confirm 1,1 into 1 in heat without any risk. 0:43 got hit by a launch punishable low in a stance. Nothing stupid so far. 0:49 literally flying into the air with the most obvious animation that screams sidestepping and still got ch launched. 1:00 this I will give to you. But be fair, you could have not entered the stance and basically df2 him. So instead of a mixup you have a read to launch. Or canceled the stance with df,n,2. Both will launch. And no it doesn’t evade homing it just that he is too far from it. But true spin should get always clipped by a homing move. But if you think about it. This will make spin always lead into consistent whiff punish instead of just running from the mixup. 1:12 unconformable string the is -17 where law has 1,1,1 and is -11? b1,2,2 is -14. who are hit confirmable and are true string mixups and can heat dash into +5 ob. Now is this the best demonstration of how “stupid” this character is? Like I don’t get it. I can see the replies coming from a kilometer. LoOk aT tHe dOwNPlAyiNg. YUo aRe aFrAid oF nErFS. I played in the last three month more matches in ranked by far with Steve, Law, Jin, Lee. I never come “downplaying” Law or Jin especially anywhere. But for some reason with Yoshi people all of a sudden are just spreading misinformation. And it happened before, me alone against the whole community of Tekken. I remember till this day when everyone was crying about Devil Jin. Just because they were getting knowledge checked like the gentleman in this video. And Jin was the high mid tier where DJ is top 3. And now I won. Literally won. People realized. And Yoshi is just a bigger pill to swallow but time will show. Just a couple of tech removed and the character is a bin tier.
Spitting facts only stupid character i can see is Law there. If someone can lab Yoshi enough, they can see all his set ups even with flash to punish him hard
I hate to say it but I saw a video on that spin move he does and his shit always evades homing moves. Even in Tekken 7. It's just seems like a new problem because of LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE THIS MAN HAS IN HIS WACKY ASS KIT
no one denies yoshi is strong asf but this is a compilation of you eating every knowledge check in the book and randomly mashing at fullscreen LMAO also, due to spin having recovery period (unlike sidestep), you are supposed to beat it by realigning with walking forward or wavedash
There are other tekken youtuber making video about yoshi being broken and oh boy the essay the commenters wrote just to downplay yoshi bcs they afraid of him getting nerfed is insane. Unblockable as an option of mixup is already hard to deal with i dont think it makes thing hard for yoshi at all and thats one of his biggest strength.
Kuma can cook Yoshi hard cuz he is a hard counter for him. Even his spinning doesn't work against bear's tracking mid. 🐻 Yoshi uses unblockable low? Use a jumping slap on him, then slap his head when he's down. 🐻 He's using his bad breath? Slide down using kuma's low double foot. 🐻
I think he can reach wall in beach stage from roundstart position with a combo that's almost just d2,2(,2) 4-5 times If I am not wrong: WS2,1 > d2,2 > d2,2 > d2,2,2 > !T > DEEP dash > d2,2,2 > !W > d2,2,2
Y'all took the bait, this vid is about Law, and perfectly showcases his fundamental strengths, explosiveness and bunga potential. But it's funny seeing folks who doesn't know a thing about Yoshi, discuss how he "should be nerfed". Hit the lab, kids.
Ah, we've come full circle to calling Yoshi a cheese character again. Justified cus his fundamental game is actually good now, but it is pretty funny to me nonetheless
Yep, Yoshi is absurd. Combination of huge damage and this amount of bulshit gimmicks is absurd. In t7 and earlier it was fine since he had to win a lot of interactions with his relatively small damage and you could be fine with a couple of failed mix-ups against him. But now... Oh boy, thats a damage same as paul or even higher from what feels like any launcher or unblockable. Only his damage is a problem. Turn it down like 1.5 to 2 times and he'll be still great and not the best character in the game.
I was generally agreeing on the "big damage" part on Yoshi, for many months now. But it feels like it's more of a cassette at this point, a mute point that people just regenerate, because they want to say something - but not something too specific that can make them get laughed at or ignored (eg. hopkick too strong, flash too op, 10-hit combo broken, etc.) After examining every character's damage in this game, I've come to the conclusion that, first of all, almost everyone churns ludicrous amounts of it, and most importantly, Yoshi's is average at best. Quite low punishment damage, along with very below average poke damage, and a decent combo damage, with great carry and wall damage. There's not a single universe in the realms of logic where this is "huge". And I may be too generous calling his combo damage decent, as I can name at least 15 chars with higher, if not more - that's the definition of average. This isn't day1 any more, flash got its scaling neutered, jack infinites are gone, and people need to start seeing, thinking and speaking for themselves.
The thing with yoshi in this game is that it's easy asf to play, in Tekken 7 was annoying but who played yoshi, now in a game based in offensive play I can't play offensive because flash exists, b3 evades everything and he has 20 unblockable highcrushing low homing launchers
Yoshimitsu have been my main since I started Tekken... The fact that I can lose by my own choice after beating the bejeezus out of my opponent makes it better
lol hating on yoshimitsu, but too stupid to do the simple punishes, but hey this comment will be seen as downplaying for whatever reason 1. 0:06 WS+1, 2, second attack is duckable then you can launch-punish 2. 0:32 1, 2, 1 third hit is duckable then you can launch-punish 3. 1:12 mashing after heat burst where you are -5 is your own risk, with his B+2, 1 which has Startup-Frame 14 he will win everytime 4. 1:25 always jab-check 3~4, in this case you could float him out, for a mini-combo
Yoshi is the perfect character.
Playing defensively? Let me choose from the 50+ unblockables I can do.
Playing offensively? Let me do a flash to big damage.
You've only been playing Tekken for 5 years? Watch all this crazy knowledge checks I can do.
Unblockable to rage art. Unscaled combo ender. Life steal. Big fucking damage.
It does not end with Yoshi.
Oh and of course, his inputs are now easier.
Ngl Yoshi would be perfect if his damage was much lower and his imputs had blue spark versions
meh king is way better in this game
@@lostdreamer50 nah
@@lostdreamer50 Not even remotely, Yoshi's wall game/combos are far superior to King's and it's not even close.
@@lostdreamer50not even close
Yoshi players are the source of my misery.
I think it's time for Nemesis to pick up Yoshi. Make a poll 😊
Yeah do it!
Nah
Yeahhhh!!!!
for an second i thought it was Nemesis playing him😭
That's like TMM about Lars, Said something like the character was stupid...He picks him up, Then suddenly the character needs buffs!?
ive said many times im gonna say it again , if yoshi players were not braindead they will be winning evo tournaments
No big results so far from Yoshis who are not braindead, we’ll see how Arslan goes, if he fails than this argument will go in the trash
@@OctopusH2O what an utter dogshit point of comparison.
@@OctopusH2O i really hope so , i hope he takes this character seriously before it gets destroyed by nerfs
Everyone argues about his strength, so I'll just say that he is very annoying and strong
Stop arguing
Yoshi downplayers on their way to explain how their character defenitely is not top 5 in this game. Seriously, in Tekken 7 he was annoying but at the expense of having weak fundamental tools and worse damage. In this game he is so extremely frustrating to fight even when you know exactly what he's doing. Law is stupid strong as well but with him at least i know what to expect and can form basic gameplan before the match
Yoshi can even use Flash as a Punishment tools like wtf? T7 wasn't like that at all. This character absolutely carries the players.
It was a thing in T7 and is called a "flash punishment". It requires of you the knowledge of specific safe moves with little to no pushback. The number of these mover do grow in back to the wall situation, yet it is not something that "carries" a player, since it demonstrates his knowledge of the game and experience with a character. People who hate flash the most don't realise how easy it is to punish the move not on reaction, but on the read when like 98 % of Yoshi players just use it in primitive and repetative setups.
Makes me wonder if asking someone who can't read to make the read is even ethical though
As a Yoshi main, Exact opposite. Law is aids at the best of times and I can easily counter a Yoshimitsu of similar skill.
@@folivora6628 the presence of flash in his kit kills your ability to play offensively; not from using it, but from the idea that he might use it
i wouldn't mind the character so much if he didn't have access to this insane, omnipresent defensive presence that unilaterally steals your pressure from you because you need to second guess yourself every time you get an advantage over him
his spin evades homing moves because it moves backwards and not just laterally uwu
searched the comments for this.
this is very true
And why does it move backwards? No one knows.
Needs to drain more health. This corny mf can heal with heal mechanics AND steal health with other moves. Back then he didnt heal from any of his moves, but its way too broken in Tekken 8
@@doncinati7644
@@gabcal7246 😳
Yoshi is an entire Clown Fiesta
he really needs a HUGE nerfs.
Nah some small adjustments maybe some damage nerfs and probably the NSS kin 2,1+2 tech trap that hits grounded needs to go
He really don’t, this law aint block none if his lows, mashed constantly knowing flash exists and still managed to win. Yoshi is fine, ppl just need to take accountability not pressing buttons
@mibbzx1493 fr. He's not that bad. And huge nerfs? Bro quit crying and learn the matchup.
keep downplaying yoshi lmao. everyone isnt that dumb.
@@ARR-g1q i play as and against yoshi so i know how to counter him. He got so many highs, mad risky moves he usually just kills himself so i let them kill themselves.
need someone to explain to me how the unblockable is not cheap.
it's evasive and can't low jab, mid and highs will whiff. there's 50 different options yoshi can go for besides the unblockable.
when it's done after a setup or behind the wall or if you're expecting oki. good luck guessing.
only yoshi players willing to swear to god their character is not broken
there was more laws than yoshis in top 16 ? Where is the yoshi flooded top 8? Remember leroy t7 evo? these yoshi players aren't even placing, and no one is in a rush to go pick him up.
Yoshi is rarely in top 8, until Arslan Ash plays him ofc
The biggest problem with Yoshi is his damage output, and I think spin should cost more health, to make up for how fast he gets out of the corner. Everything else is typical "I refuse to learn the matchup" type complaining, because the character has a way of making people feel stupid.
@@olsenarliawan2951 Arslan played him in a Pakistani tourney final and got smoked
@@olsenarliawan2951 arslan ash only plays cheap, busted characters, so if he takes yoshimitsu in then it's a sure sign the character needs nerfs
He need more buffs
8 frams homing mid which is unbreakable , unblockable and infinite wall range with 250 DMG and garantee followup for the next rounds
It wouldn’t change nothing, he needs a 1 frame unblockable that promotes you directly to GoD even if you’re not in ranked
@@OctopusH2O have u ever played t6
Bruce , paul both had a unblockable guaranteed after the bound if opponent walk ups or tech roll towards side and we can bound them again, flash is nothing
I think the spin made him go outside of your attack's range, not necessarily sidestepping the homing attack
Seeing people complain about characters while downplaying others is really funny.
This isn't hard to understand, every character in this game is broken, the core mechanic of the game is broken. If they wish to change this they would have to start nerfing a lot of things and adjusting others.
You’re not gonna tell me Devil Jin is broken and that him and Yoshi are on the same level of bs/cheese
@@set8601i wish devil jin had a safe 10f that could steal health and had guaranteed followups at the wall. That would be awesome
@@doncinati7644 well heihachi might get his flash punch wallsplat back soon
@doncinati7644 you know if he did have that the same people saying yoshi fine would be bitching about dj
Yoshi should be nerfed for sure. But DJ should not be touched. Keep him the way he is. Nerf the others who need adjustments.
Not respecting yoshi because "im playing law, eff yoshi" then getting hit by yoshi things.... Of course it's Yoshi's fault 🤣
Okay lets analyze the clips to see how truly stupid the character is.
0:01 ssr at -8 into df2, then a reactable setup. Knowledge check basically.
0:30 ducking the grab and then getting counter by 10 hit combo, where the 1,2,1 string is -16 unlike the character you are playing where you can hit confirm 1,1 into 1 in heat without any risk.
0:43 got hit by a launch punishable low in a stance. Nothing stupid so far.
0:49 literally flying into the air with the most obvious animation that screams sidestepping and still got ch launched.
1:00 this I will give to you. But be fair, you could have not entered the stance and basically df2 him. So instead of a mixup you have a read to launch. Or canceled the stance with df,n,2. Both will launch. And no it doesn’t evade homing it just that he is too far from it. But true spin should get always clipped by a homing move. But if you think about it. This will make spin always lead into consistent whiff punish instead of just running from the mixup.
1:12 unconformable string the is -17 where law has 1,1,1 and is -11? b1,2,2 is -14. who are hit confirmable and are true string mixups and can heat dash into +5 ob.
Now is this the best demonstration of how “stupid” this character is? Like I don’t get it.
I can see the replies coming from a kilometer. LoOk aT tHe dOwNPlAyiNg. YUo aRe aFrAid oF nErFS. I played in the last three month more matches in ranked by far with Steve, Law, Jin, Lee. I never come “downplaying” Law or Jin especially anywhere. But for some reason with Yoshi people all of a sudden are just spreading misinformation. And it happened before, me alone against the whole community of Tekken. I remember till this day when everyone was crying about Devil Jin. Just because they were getting knowledge checked like the gentleman in this video. And Jin was the high mid tier where DJ is top 3. And now I won. Literally won. People realized. And Yoshi is just a bigger pill to swallow but time will show. Just a couple of tech removed and the character is a bin tier.
Spitting facts only stupid character i can see is Law there. If someone can lab Yoshi enough, they can see all his set ups even with flash to punish him hard
Look at the downplaying, you're afraid of nerfs
@@TK--ce6hp lol
when you’re in a downplaying competition and you opponent is turki
@@davidchu2001 200 iq response. With one sentence you dealt with every point I made.
Yoshi matches are either crazy circus fun or makes you want to harakiri yourself
Yoshi’s spin has been evading homing moves since t7
yeah but his damage output is 10000x higher now
one or the other needs to go
I hate to say it but I saw a video on that spin move he does and his shit always evades homing moves. Even in Tekken 7. It's just seems like a new problem because of LITERALLY EVERYTHING ELSE THIS MAN HAS IN HIS WACKY ASS KIT
no one denies yoshi is strong asf but this is a compilation of you eating every knowledge check in the book and randomly mashing at fullscreen LMAO
also, due to spin having recovery period (unlike sidestep), you are supposed to beat it by realigning with walking forward or wavedash
Knee lost to a Yoshi at EVO
😂
There are other tekken youtuber making video about yoshi being broken and oh boy the essay the commenters wrote just to downplay yoshi bcs they afraid of him getting nerfed is insane. Unblockable as an option of mixup is already hard to deal with i dont think it makes thing hard for yoshi at all and thats one of his biggest strength.
They Don't want to learn Matchup just They Know They Can't beat yoshi so just start saying broken or nerf yoshi
yoshi is in fact busted, but saying that while playing law? opinion invalidated. nerf both characters harada plz
Kuma can cook Yoshi hard cuz he is a hard counter for him. Even his spinning doesn't work against bear's tracking mid. 🐻 Yoshi uses unblockable low? Use a jumping slap on him, then slap his head when he's down. 🐻 He's using his bad breath? Slide down using kuma's low double foot. 🐻
Hard counter?😂 Bruh plz, Yoshi can NSS flash punish half of bears movelist. You gonna get a hard reality check when paired with a solid Yoshi 👹
A lot of characters gets brainded in tekken 8. Yoshi, jin, dragunov...
+ Nina, King and Feng. These characters need heavy toning.
Don’t buff anyone else - Just tone these characters down.
Reina, Law, and Hwoarang are very brain dead to me in ranked
Yoshi's wall carry is insane wtf
I think he can reach wall in beach stage from roundstart position with a combo that's almost just d2,2(,2) 4-5 times
If I am not wrong: WS2,1 > d2,2 > d2,2 > d2,2,2 > !T > DEEP dash > d2,2,2 > !W > d2,2,2
nvm its WS2,1 > stance 2 > stance 2 > d2,2 > d2,2,2 > !T > deep dash > d2,2 > !W > d2,2,2 for 88 damage and almost a single button and a single move
not as good as Jin’s or King’s wall carry but it’s up there 😎
Law is the Bruce Lee clone 😅
Law is literraly Bruce Lee
Y'all took the bait, this vid is about Law, and perfectly showcases his fundamental strengths, explosiveness and bunga potential.
But it's funny seeing folks who doesn't know a thing about Yoshi, discuss how he "should be nerfed". Hit the lab, kids.
Yoshi players are just about as bunga with flash as Laws are with slide/WS launcher mixup
Yoshi just as braindead stfu
You are really this re+ar ded
@@GerardoFirestorm get flashed amigo
WHAT WAS THAT SPIN INTO DF2 AND THAT WHIFFED KNEE INTO FLASH?
Man, I'm in shock.
Your Law reminds me of MKX Liu Kang
that yoshi got you good combo 😢
Yoshi is meant for the patient player and one who laughs last in a match🗡️
yoshi literally only need one move to charge how the game work
Can't wait to see Nemesis play Yoshi
I keep meeting nemisis in ranked and he keeps shitting on me😂
As a Tekken 7 Yoshi main they need to nerf yoshi
nope . he is fine where he is
I vote yoshi to be played by NEMISIS
Ah, we've come full circle to calling Yoshi a cheese character again. Justified cus his fundamental game is actually good now, but it is pretty funny to me nonetheless
But he's always been a cheese character
Yep, Yoshi is absurd. Combination of huge damage and this amount of bulshit gimmicks is absurd. In t7 and earlier it was fine since he had to win a lot of interactions with his relatively small damage and you could be fine with a couple of failed mix-ups against him. But now... Oh boy, thats a damage same as paul or even higher from what feels like any launcher or unblockable.
Only his damage is a problem. Turn it down like 1.5 to 2 times and he'll be still great and not the best character in the game.
I was generally agreeing on the "big damage" part on Yoshi, for many months now.
But it feels like it's more of a cassette at this point, a mute point that people just regenerate, because they want to say something - but not something too specific that can make them get laughed at or ignored (eg. hopkick too strong, flash too op, 10-hit combo broken, etc.)
After examining every character's damage in this game, I've come to the conclusion that, first of all, almost everyone churns ludicrous amounts of it, and most importantly, Yoshi's is average at best.
Quite low punishment damage, along with very below average poke damage, and a decent combo damage, with great carry and wall damage. There's not a single universe in the realms of logic where this is "huge". And I may be too generous calling his combo damage decent, as I can name at least 15 chars with higher, if not more - that's the definition of average.
This isn't day1 any more, flash got its scaling neutered, jack infinites are gone, and people need to start seeing, thinking and speaking for themselves.
The thing with yoshi in this game is that it's easy asf to play, in Tekken 7 was annoying but who played yoshi, now in a game based in offensive play I can't play offensive because flash exists, b3 evades everything and he has 20 unblockable highcrushing low homing launchers
I'm still surprised so many people falls for this setup 0:14
It has been out for a pretty long time now
The only nerf he needs is damage, on combos, the rest is fine in my opinion
the only problem with yoshi is just being a gimmick based character his damage is kinda too high, nerf the damage and everything will be fine, lol
Ah yes!!! Yoshimitsu, my favorite Tekken character, and, IN MY OPINION, the best fighter in Tekken 8. Man, he's so awesome, I swear.
Law is too BROKEN😂😭
used to main yoshi in 7, now i rarely play him cuz he just feels braindead, on top of the fact i miss cd2 being a screw
Nah man, i think you're overreacting. He's just simply too fair and balanced 😂😂
They Don't want to learn Matchup just They Know They Can't beat yoshi so just start saying broken or nerf yoshi
Yoshimitsu is just straight-up not fun to play against in Tekken 8, win or lose.
They Don't want to learn Matchup just They Know They Can't beat yoshi so just start saying broken or nerf yoshi
Yoshimitsu have been my main since I started Tekken... The fact that I can lose by my own choice after beating the bejeezus out of my opponent makes it better
At least someone agrees….
lol hating on yoshimitsu, but too stupid to do the simple punishes, but hey this comment will be seen as downplaying for whatever reason
1. 0:06 WS+1, 2, second attack is duckable then you can launch-punish
2. 0:32 1, 2, 1 third hit is duckable then you can launch-punish
3. 1:12 mashing after heat burst where you are -5 is your own risk, with his B+2, 1 which has Startup-Frame 14 he will win everytime
4. 1:25 always jab-check 3~4, in this case you could float him out, for a mini-combo
They Don't want to learn Matchup just They Know They Can't beat yoshi so just start saying broken or nerf yoshi
@@user-by3rt8qy3p why learning the MU if you can complain for no fucking reason
everybody wanna play ranked and git gud but ain’t nobody wanna put their main in a doggone LAB 😤
And therein lies the chram of Yoshimitsu. He's wonderfully stupid in all the best ways.
必死に勝ったラウンドリプレイを切り抜いてるけどかなりの数負けてるじゃん
🐉🐲
Know your matchup🤦🤦🤦
u mad