Side Kick vs Back Kick - what’s the difference? And what are side kicks for?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Shanghai based MMA coach and Kunlun Fight ringside commentator Ramsey Dewey on the side kick. What’s the difference between side kicks and back kicks? How about a turning (or “spinning”) back kick vs sidekick? What is a side kick for? What’s the best way to use a side kick in an MMA fight?
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9:34 Cool, I was thinking about Bill Wallace throughout this video too.
Edit: Thanks for the video. These "When to use __" videos are very useful after practicing "How to __" for some time.
I think Superfoot Wallace is a real expectation to any rule, because he was forced to adapt, with one "useless" leg and came up with his unique fighting style so successful.
Very good description of the differences between sidekick and back kick. I’m majorly ocd about form and you hit the nail on the head with your description of the difference. Great job
Wow, this is a significantly better explanation than what I was expecting when I asked about the difference between them last video. Genuinely videos like this are really helpful while the gyms are still closed.
Okay in the field a side kick was done for gaining space.
I had a guy with a carpet knife try to close with the and a side kick gave me space to use a night stick on him.
To break up an attack the side kick is a great thing. But I have found that to generate real power you have to have to much room.
Most of my experience in actual use has been when I used it the forward motion of the opponent was stopped or slowed and I was pushed back a little.
In sparing where there is advance and retreat you can build more force.
My experience is all in police work. So my conflict was always about control and the self defense aspect of crippling someone or injuring them rarely manifested.
The back kick is good for knees and shins ... However I never had an occasion to use it.
We neglect low kicks because they are not flashy. But kicks to the inside and outside of legs are good.
Shin rakes and kicks are absolutely fight ending if you are wearing copper shoes.. lol
Agreed. The power of side kicks derives from momentum, whether it's stepping, turning, or even leaping.
If you land a somewhat good form sidekick as your opponent enters range their own momentum will cause it to at least hurt. Is it going to one hit TKO like a spinning back kick or turning sidekick might, no, but it can definitely break ribs, especially the less stable floating ribs (have done this by accident in sparring by timing a relatively low power sidekick as my partner basically ran onto it), wind people, or generally cause pain, and the same principle applies anywhere on the body really. Though you probably aren't going to be throwing sidekicks up high in a close quarters situation, those can also definitely be pretty dangerous if you land one flush on someone approaching (risky though).
The sidekick is great for keeping people at bay, but I'd also say it's a great tool for countering people trying to approach rapidly if you throw it out fast and time it properly. You need bodyweight behind a sidekick to do damage, but it doesn't necessarily have to be your bodyweight. On a somewha stationary target you do need to extend into it and if possible, step or turn into it. But on a target moving into the path of the kick you can actually remain almost upright (if you have the flexibility for it) and throw the kick out at just above waist level, if you have good structure, you hopefully can maintain that posture unless the other person is really big, even that can deal damage, enough for you to capitalize on it anyway. Otherwise I would agree about it being a space clearing took, though it's difficult to fully extend a sidekick from close range unless you have strong legs.
I always saw a sidekick as a great universal deterrent, though moreso in regards to unarmed confrontations, people take a second guess if they get tagged with a sidekick on the approach, knocked back, and winded. You can also stifle movement while causing pain if you target the legs, like you say. It's also great for escaping, you sidekick, push them back while hopefully maintaining balance, then start running immediately, though police confrontations are very different to us civilian's in regards to aim, so I don't think that would be such a useful aspect to you.
It’s odd I’ve always thought of my side kicks as a powerful kick that I do other things to set up. I’ll start to look in to how to use It to set up other things.
this video deserves more views and likes! so many details, even such an amateur like me can improve kicking by watching this great tutorial!
Awesome explanation, i love side/back kicks they are so versatile just like a jab like you said, power, set ups, distance tool, feints etc. I really appreciated the details about the standing leg pointing opposite the kick and the distinction between throwing it from the lead leg and the rear leg as well as turning variations
And the back kick or turning back kick could be useful if your opponent gets on the outside, which seems like it would generally be the most vulnerable position so its good to have a tool for when things dont go as planned. Could you maybe do a video exploring getting on the inside of the opponents feet/hands/midline vs getting on the outside for sweeps or takedowns/submissions? Basically the footwork and strategy of fighting inside and outside an opponents space as well as defending from these angles? Unless you already addressed this in a previous vid idk. Thanks
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This couldn’t have come at a better time. I was online trying to see anything about a front leg back kick because my side kicks kind of turn into a bit of a back kick.
I literally just finished a class that covered this same concept 😄 As always great video!
12:28. Where I learned TKD, they never explicitly called them different kicks. When we were training on the competition team, they said, "Instead of throwing your turning sidekicks like this, do them this way..." With the "new" way being the back kick, a term which nobody used at my school. And even though the additional power makes sense the way the vid explains, we were taught to do back kicks because they were faster. On the other hand, I've heard one advantage the turning side kick has, is that it's less committal if your opponent sidesteps. You can change the angle easier or put the foot down and reset
Another great lesson. I used to use side kick as both proactive and counter attack. That was many years ago. I was never good at back kick, I wish I had someone like Ramsey to teach me back in time.
13:32 awesome detail on the sidekick!
That look at the turning back kick awesome. Your kicks are smooth. I can hit the back kick but I am still learning to look more. I can hit it. Only time I have missed is if I throw it to early and don't set it up. Ramsey your kicks are smooth. I wish I was at that flexibility level but what the heck . You know me 53 old fat grandfather who is training again. You have a very great explanation for what you do. The reverence to Bill Super foot Wallace very cool. He was the man. Along with Benny the Jet. Love old school stuff. Superfoot always said I like to kick someone. I like to kick so I can hit them hard. LOL I have a goal to watch all your videos my friend be safe and keep us or me checking out what you are teaching.
As I recall, Yoel Romero (Southpaw) used the lead leg side kick against Robert Whittaker (Orthodox) in their fights. Did not look fun to get hit by.
I really enjoyed this video and the backkick video as a 40 year old beginner (1 year training in Korean Kickboxing) especially the explanations of when to throw these kicks.
Looking forward to the gym reopening here so I can start training properly again.
Please make a video about the standing foot direction and how it affects the load (forces acting) on the knee. That's a big thing not only in back and side kicks but almost all kicks.
really, really, really, reaaally useful video coach! Thanks
Do more of these tutorials coach
Thanks for constantly putting up some of the best free tutorials out there 👍
Two ideas: one is a video on the mechanics, plus pros/cons and what not to do (such as overtwist), of the high spin kick, including the spinning hook, and defense against side/roundhouse "pump" kickers?
Awesome tutorial
One last comment here, with Wonderboy's lead leg sidekick he mostly throws it like a back kick. He said it's so that his kick doesn't get jammed or smothered
Awesome job explaining the difference and the uses for both. Bump-step sidekicks are one of my favorite quick, jab-like tools. And spinning back and sidekicks are my go to for squirrelly guys just like you were saying. Get their timing down on their movement and you can make them run right into them. Which is so satisfying. Lol
Great video as always coach. Keep em coming. I love your channel.
I usually practice kind of ridicoulus combos sometimes just for the unpredictabilty and it makes me flow better in sparring 💪 Great video like always!
That's it, from now on, you're my sensei
I think people confuse a turning side kick with the back leg and the back kick. The lead leg sidekick is more clear. Your kicks are phenomenal.
i love round kick to spinning hook kick combos
Wow! I never knew that thing about the foot having to turn for the side kick (I normally did it cause it felt easier but I thought it was bad and that I needed to try to work on my flexibility) and I stopped just a bit before passing my Karate Shotokan black belt many years ago. I guess if we had contact, I would have realized what you're saying years ago. I plan on trying out Muai Thay lessons soon, I'll keep this in mind if this kick is used in this style as well. Very glad I watched the video until the end, this one and the back kick videos were both informative and useful for me.
Man, that’s fundamental. I’ve seen two people tear their MCL and end up a sobbing mess on the floor with their knee cap on the wrong side of their leg because they wouldn’t turn out their standing leg on a side kick. It’s horrific.
Yes, this is a great explanation of why the leg needs to turn. I train with kids and they are flexible enough to kick without turning. Maybe, this info about a risk of injury will convince them finally :-)
For me it starts to be of interest after 8:20 ,
especially 10:25 ...
and 13:50 is golden,
the basics are well known in audience I suppose. Never mind, thx 👍
I've always found back kicks much more effective as opposed to side kicks which I always forego in lieu of a loaded roundhouse.
My favorite kick is the right back kick as a follow up after a right round kick...but tbh I prefer ALL kicks more than I do ANY punches...I prefer to keep my distance...and avoid taking a headshot.
What about the *Step-behind Sidekick* ? 😏😂
@@Jamesfckoffscammers I don't know what that is.
@@SavedSnake by round kick, you're referring to the roundhouse kick, right? Or is that a different kick?
I'm comfortable with both punching AND kicking ( this is not to brag or anything, just saying), to me it's kinda situational. 😁
@@Jamesfckoffscammers I'm not sure but I do believe a round kick and a round house kick are the same. I am also comfortable with both kicking and punching and can utilize both in "South paw right" and "Orthodox" the reason I prefer kicking is to keep distance regularly and to avoid headshots, also I feel a kick to the chest, head or gut can do more damage than a punch.
Late comment, but this little clinic on side kicks and back kicks seems to also be a breakdown of some of the mechanics in the shiko exercise done in sumo and a couple other genres of movement. I'm specifically thinking of turning out the feet to prevent injury during the kick, and the sense of a thorough extension maintained through the leg.
Dang that sure was a great lesson!!!
Great advice!
super helpful, thank you!
I prefer back kick over sidekicks because it's more unpredictable that fast turn makes the opponent hesitant for a second that whether you're trying a back kick or a wheel kick or a spinning elbow. Can you please talk about wheel kicks too? I like them so much But I don't see it in mma often
I think the "Side Kicks do not work"-myth is coming from a misunderstanding of different "combat sport frameworks".
In Pointfight Karate or Taekwondo or "American Style Kickboxing" side kicks are very common, because of the use of the reasonable sideward stances.
(and of course in Savate, but more because of the rule to kick with the "shoe" only)
In Knockdown-Karate, Muay Thai or "Dutch/Japanese"-K1-Kickboxing, the stance needs to be more square for the excessive use of punching combos, knees and low kicks (and elbows in Muay Thai) so it is more difficult and sometimes dangerous to use "side kicks" in this framework, leading to use more front kick types instead.
In MMA now it gets quite interesting because the rules there set up quite different possibilities of footwork and tactics.
I mean, people have to look in the ruleset and framework of a combat sport competition to get a clue, what works in it and why.
You may be pretty much f*cked if you come from pointfighting Karate or Taekwondo and trying to get into Knockdown Karate without training before in its ruleset, you may be pretty much f*cked if you come from Muay Thai, trying to get into MMA without training before in its ruleset.
But this is a problem "vice versa": Many fighters that started their training in MMA would really lose badly in Muay Thai or "Dutch Kickboxing"-rulesets, because the whole dynamic is different.
That's why the only sensible way to live in this world is without rules :)
Sidekicks are a favourite in Sanda/Sanshou, which is odd because Sanshou allows all throws and takedowns.
@@tjl4688, Yes, but what is in Sanda different? It is basically, like american style kickboxing or savate a "long range" kickboxing with throws/takedowns.
It is not really the case, that every Sanda-Fighter uses sidekicks, but there is more use of the sidekicks than in Kickboxing rules that allow kneestrikes or even elbows in clinches.
Sanda is cool, but it has its own dynamic in distances, compared to "K1" or Muay Thai. (Does not make one ruleset good or bad)
Ramsey "I shine my head" Dewey
In karate, we are taught to chamber for both kicks. The technical difference for us is the positioning of the hips and foot. I, however, prefer the "no chamber" back kick as it doesn't require moving your leg in the opposite direction of your target. The "no chamber" simply as a more subtle, moving chamber. Hence, I almost never throw a classical back kick.
It's also good to practice side kicks coming from different positions, i.e. skipping, step-over front, step-over back, etc. One begins to realize the greater utility of side versus back kicks...
But a kick is a kick; if it works, then it works. Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, right?
Man, I am 6'8"...chambering and executing the side kick/yoko geri with my long legs is so dang difficult for me. I don't make it look pretty lol.
Thanks for the input R.D!
Your new gym looks great!! It looks more professional liked!
Great video! Thanks!
great vid! can you make a video on how to increase top pressure when you're mounting an opponent?
Bravo good explanation
hey Ramsey! Waiting excitedly for the Anime fight reaction to Kengan Ashura: Agitoh vs Ohkubo
We practiced that kick in jkd. I think in the movie, bruce crosses his leg over into a back kick. The one we trained was called a pendulum kick, and your heel almost kicks the other one, and is way more like a side kick. Its very powerful, but not particularly quick. I think Bruce uses it in Return of the Dragon.
ramsey please analyse killer bean vs jet bean fight from the movie killer bean forever
I love how you got Bruce Lee s flying backkick very right . Many think its a sidekick . I was thinking its Both but if u accept its a back kick IT creates alot more force ,but its dangerous if you turn your back jumping in . Great video sir .
Hey Ramsey, two parter question here. I was wondering about ways to help train for wrestling, since corona is stopping me from wrestling. Also I can't go to the gym, what would be some good exercises/cheap equipment I can use to help me train. Love your videos and hope to hear what you have to say on this.
Your my new master im even more dangerous now in just one Session
Tbh i prefer side kock or "turning" side kick in my case because i get used to it. Trouble is my lead leg side kick is meh, moreover im quite slow and fat. Maybe some few trick to spice up lead leg kicks? I already did trained kiicking with lead leg but not much improved.
After I watched this video twice and then looking your rules of mma, I had to make a break of so much wisdom and my belly was aching from your sarcastic commentars (learn how to fight first). I switched to ps4 and played again the training mode of EAs UFC3.
Now comes my question: do U think that if you have already a background in Martial Arts U could actually learn from fighting games like UFC, Tekken 7 or Virtua Fighter something if U are eyeopened or do U think that it doesnt is transferable to reality???
I really would like to here your thoughts!
Greetings from Germany
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Personally I prefer the back kick in most situations. A side kick is almost turning your body all the way around already, so why not do a back kick which uses your whole glute and has more power.
You can fuse them to create the backside kick
Is it not possible to match the power of the 2 kicks by adding as much torque as possible to the turning side kick (after the missed round house)? Just curious as you was pretty much facing ur back to the oponant giving u space to at least generate torque with a 180 degree turn
Hi coach. I have a doubt about sidekicks, i found sometimes to be more effective to throw a sidekick without chambering the leg first, i ve read and watch in the ufc that fighters tend to give a small step towards the opponent and then throw the kick with the leg that is closer to the opponent ending with the chamber and back to the deffensive stance. I think it has more power but it may be more dangerous or riaky to use? What do you think. I hope i made myself clear, if not i belive scott adkins is the easiest example i can think about who uses sidekicks like that
Ramsey I know you are the master here, but are you sure that a turning side kicks, isn't to turn the heel towards your opponent then turn your head around to look over your shoulder at the same time as you chamber the side kick then kick.?
have u ever disguised a round kick and turned it into a back kick. kinda like changing a front kick into a question mark kick to the head. i came across this shadowboxing.
very cool video :)
The way I taught my son to do a turning back kick is to imagine you're trying to fart at them, turn & point your bottom, lift your leg, fart & push the fart at them with your foot.
Is the side kick or knee effective to use when the other guy try to shoot especially when you have the back against the ring and can't sprawl? I never see in mma so I assume not, but my institution say it should be good if you wait till the other guy commit first?
If I remember correctly GSP got one of his knockouts with a side kick to the head of his opponent, I can't remember who he was fighting though
Back kicks cannot be done to the head, if your foot is vertical, because you need to keep a straight line between the heel and your head. If uou go yo the head, then your head would be on the ground. Back kicks are better, I believe, for body shots znd side for the head where less power is required.
Sidekicks is easy to move away from, so set it up, teep hard and while the opponent goes backwards to get he's balance back, slide or step after him with the sidekick, it's almost guaranteed to hit, aim for the liver with your heel don't aim at the middle of the abs. Or teep/front kick mid then change it into a high side kick if you get the right response. Use it after missing because you round kicked above the ducking opponents head, it will look like a turn side kick, but isn't because the turn was done in the round kick so when both feet are back on the earth /canvas you standing the wrong way,.. It's thousand better ways to set up any kick that fits your style, but these two is probably easiest to set up for a guaranteed connection. Anyways if you do a stand up striking art, you will learn this somewhere in the two first years or sooner, so I guess most of you already knows and done this a lot of times at training, just because you did not get the chance to do it in your match or sparring doesn't mean it doesn't work, it just means that your opponent probably knows these tricks to, maybe better than you even.
Hey Ramsey, on a serious note from everything going on in the world and tensions heavily increasing between China and the US what is it like in Shanghai currently?
Shanghai is awesome. Are “tensions” really “steadily increasing”? Or are you just being subjected to propaganda? That tension doesn’t exist on this side of the world, man.
@@RamseyDewey Sometimes I'm not sure what is really going on so I thought I'd ask.
In a sparring match in which both fighters are orthodox, would a lead leg teep be better as a "jab" ?
The lead leg teso is better as a counter strike to a round kick or a follow up to your own round kick.
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My butt, my back, my hips and my calf
IDK if the 'turning back kicks' are potencially stronger while also being faster than the 'turning side kicks' I would think it would be evident for someone like GSP that one is clearly better than the other. The other opinion is that 'turning side kick' are for a fact a little slower but also for a fact stronger.
Are you supposed to look over your shoulder for the turning back kick at all?
Watch my turning back kick video. Short answer: no, but you can if you want to, as long as you only look with your peripheral vision. Don’t try to see the details or you will over rotate and turn your back kick into a sloppy hook kick.
you gain distance with the back kicks, TONS of power because you are turning winding like a spring then letting go.
Hey Mr Dewey here is a question for either q&a or just a response I spar Muay Thai with a friend of mine who wrestles. He has noted that I am very quick on my feet even when I am not landing much. Is this type of erratic foot work inefficient with energy and should I try to change it and make it a bit slower?
Hi Ramsey Dewey id like to ask a question .im 20 yo and i want to learn a martial art .question is that do you think is it late for me to start such thing ?and i can't decide between boxing and mma.which would you recommend?
bonus question!!:d
im 6'2 and only 65 kg. should i first gain some weight then start a martial art or ? im just too thin i feel like if i hit my shoulder into a door accidentaly it would be probably broken or shatter
I actually only use my front leg side kick when sparring as a way to keep distance. Back kick’s more of a finisher.
Stay well, sensei. Flood waters coming downstream.
Got another question: When your face is close enough to your opponent, is it legal to scream as loudly as you can directly into the opponents ear? You know, in order to discombobulate em by causing their eardrum pain?
Yep
@@RamseyDewey how about hair-pulling and scratching?
Nope.
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de la riva guard for mma?
I have to disagree about the kick Lee did at 5:45 though, this was a 100% side-kick, not a back-kick. I'm looking at a freeze frame right before he extends the kicking leg and his knee is high up, torso is clearly sideways, perpendicular to that of his opponent, a text-book side-kick chamber. Very different from what you showed when describing it at 5:57 - you did a back-kick, knee was low, your torso parallel to that of your opponent.
'It's all in the hips'. I was going to use a Happy Gilmore clip but it has been too memeified.
What I always wondered about kicks.. won't they get caught and grabbed by the opponent? Are they fast enough to be safe? Sorry, I have no experience :-)
They can if your opponent is good at catching kicks and you are bad at setting them up. Side kicks and back kicks are the hardest kicks to catch. Round kicks and teeps are much easier to catch.
@@RamseyDewey I see! Thank you for the infos!
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The difference is... #sidekicksdontwork 👀😂
Are you responsible for spreading that hashtag? Say it isn’t so Sensei Seth!
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When they say side kicks don't work in MMA, just watch Stephen Thompson side kick somebody inside the octagon and send them flying in the canvas, or just watch Shane Fazen unleash his tantrums out in his Bob Dummy with side kicks to prove the trolls wrong 😂🥋
That’s kind of the problem- the average person expects their side kick to be an explosive world beating death move like that instead of the positional tool it’s meant to be.
@@RamseyDewey "position first, and then attack", wise words from yours truly Coach 🤼♂️🥋🥊
If you don't understand the difterence you've never done martial arts. The side kick is basically defensive, the back kick is offensive. Turning your back is never a good idea. It can deliver a devastating blow though.
RECHAMBER....COUNTER HOO HAAH
Judo& good for mma
My fighting style is simple...sticks and stones will break some bones...
8:20
Looking at your legs like that. You can be a very good kicker. You have long legs professor.
Get out there and drain?
Man! Ram your tae Kwon do is still in you!
But #sidekicksdontwork
Whoever started that hashtag doesn’t understand what side kicks are for.
@@RamseyDewey true
Ramsey Dewey I guess you now gotta make a Disstrack against Hard2Hurt
90 per cent of martial artists don't pivot properly......
Can a mma fighter be vegan?
Sure
Muay thai
Did you just step out of a time machine from the 90’s?
Amazing quality video, thanks for uploading, can you do a technique video on what your most effective bjj submissions are?
Are side kicks legal to the leg under UFC rules?
Of course they are!
You might enjoy these videos on the fouls of MMA:
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A more serious comment, i love sidekicks and you comparing it to a jab was such an epiphany 😱
Tao Of Jeet Kun Do
Watch and study Stephen Wonderboy Thompson, he is the best high level sidekicker.. I ve heard him saying that for fighting bigger guys sidekicks became his jab to gaze distance and set up strikes
Steve S Technique Tuesday! Sweet Teeeeeeeee!!!
Same here - I've always seen a sidekick as a very powerful kick with a lot of momentum behind it, but also a kick you really commit to and risk crossing yourself.
@@dire_prism
well.. you can thrust yourself forward with a karate like skip to cover distance with the side kick(I think that is what you are saying) but you can also throw it defensively after a slip with your weight on the back foot. You can see here the sidekick master himself Bill Superfoot Wallace explain that really well .ua-cam.com/video/jb4ZJUaVGJc/v-deo.html
Do more of this tutorials please
What kind of technique questions do you want answers to?
spinning hook kicks, hook kicks, what kind of dynamic stretches you do etc maybe some ukemi
some bjj , lead leg kicks@@RamseyDewey
4:07 when the footwork was so quick it looked like they teleported... That's some Dragonball level of movement there
yes
I don't see it
@@ticbox4326 Exactly, its so quick
@@perrenchan6600 no, he's literally just walking.
I think I'm seeing this wrong or something, or maybe you put the wrong timestamp, but I definitely don't see anything teleporting
@@ticbox4326 😂😂😂😂😂
Well from the time stamp, Ramsey and the other guy swapsides. It's a video edit. They change angles.
Plus I was just messing around coz Coach was talking about footwork and at that part of the video they change change angles meaning they swap sides and I don't know, I was just making a silly comment 😂
As much as I enjoy the coach, I can't help but notice what a great sparring and coaching partner Shao (Xiao?) is. He reacts appropriately to what Ramsey is wanting to show but also doesn't act like a dead puppet with no resistance.
Agreed. Some really good no contact sparring here. He keeps his hands up and rotates before he's even asked. He even shadow boxed at Ramsey when asked to roleplay as Alex Caceres during the lead leg sidekick demonstration, showcasing the fact that it's a good way to create some distance. You can really tell that he's paying as much attention to the technique as we are.