Spinning BACK KICK vs Spinning SIDE KICK
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2021
- Here are the main similarities and differences in the Spinning Back Kick vs Spinning Side Kick!!
Now, everybody calls the TKD back kick and the karate spinning side kick different things. its all semantics. Idc what you call it, its all right and its also all wrong. Get off your high horse. Master David Wright and I talk about things like pivots, foot angle for the kicks, head movement, targeting of the kick in more when it comes to the spinning back kick and spinning side kick. he is a long time practitioner in WT Taekwondo and I am the same way with Okinawan Kempo Karate. This is simply how we teach it! What do you think?
In taekwondo it is called the Dwi Chagi, in Karate it is called the Ushiro geri
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I would love to pick your brain about some of the things I'm experiencing with my kicks and flexibility, more importantly my issue with wanting to overuse my lead dominant leg because i look and feel like an off balance goon when using the right or as I call it my spaghetti noodle.
Seth: side kicks don’t work
Also Seth: spinning kicks don’t work
Imo the only real spinning side kicks thrown that I might consider calling spinning side kicks were the ones your Tae Kwon Do sensei was doing when you said first do spinning side kick then asked him do a spinning back kick, and what the difference is is that his torso did not lean or twist with his spinning side kick nor did his front arm swing backward for momentum exchange, also his spinning momentum did not dissipate on impact. A spinning side kick would by definition be this way and he demonstrated it quite well, although I dont know much of its efficacy other than point sparring, it's basically a spinning back kick you decided to throw so late that your hips are out of position and thus you can only get power in the direction of your target through hip rotation not momentum exchange because in theory your armswing/ kicking projection axis will be perpendicular to the directionality of the target thus negating any power drawn from momentum exchange. Every single kick you threw was just a spinning back kick imo. Again your TKD sensei threw some proper spinning side kicks when you asked him to, but because of the lack of dissipation of momentum the only use would be with continuing the spinning momentum and following up with maybe like a full round kick, otherwise kinda feels like shooting a gun while riding a carousel.
Hey Sensei Seth, I don't teach his spinning back kick, but I have seen it taught and called a "mule kick" because the toes are facing down and he kind of leans forward (like a mule). I do teach a spinning side kick similar to the way you do it, but the foot is more parallel to the ground and we use the heel, not the blade of the foot, to make contact. It's pretty wicked when it makes contact. It makes you reevaluate your life choices, ha! :-)
Is Master Wright World Taekwondo? If so, he’s probably referring to Pyongwon Poomsae which has a spinning side kick. It’s the requirement form testing for 4th Dan.
The fitness level, balance, control and precision of the TKD guy is serious!! He’s great!!
You had to add that one with icy Mike didn’t you 🤣
Hehehe
Ahh icy Mike flailing in the breeze🤣🤣🤣🤣🤌🤌
@@SenseiSeth please do a video on the Jump Spin Back Kick, or the Turning Back Kick :)
That ease of movement in all of his kicks blows my mind.
TKD kicks kick ass!
He’s a master for real
Spinning back kick is there to make sure people are wearing their cups.
This is an underappreciated comment IMO ;)
I have fought in taekwondo tournaments were nut cups for men are mandatory because of that😂😂
@@ethancowell6738 I've never even heard of a tournament where they are not mandatory to wear. But my point was that the spinning back kick has a far higher chance of connecting there.
@@NeutroniummAlchemist cool
Thanks for the info
My first time sparring after moving up to the blue belt class, I didn't put my cup on, to save time. A few minutes later I had observed two other guys get kicked in the nuts, and changed my mind. They were wearing theirs, but still ended up on the ground.
TKD is awesome. :-)
When I started taekwondo (in the 90s), I started doing ITF. They showed the turning side kick BUT 10 yrs later I continued with WTF and learned the Back kick. I like them both, I use them from different circumstances
Competed wtf throughout high school and used the back kick as a counter to roundhouse kicks.
@@Autonomous_617 such a good counter for roundhouse
Which is what? When is back kick ever better?
I was going to say....would have been great to add the turning side kick here for another variation. I like the turning side kick because it de-emphasizes spinning, and also keeps the knee side chamber, which I think generates more power than the back kick (but the back kick has its uses as you point out).
@@ansoncall6497 I don't think that spinning side kick is stronger. if done correctly all rotational energy is put into the back kick. would be nice to have measurements. i think I saw something years ago and they measured it to be the strongest.
"I feel like I just opened the Legend of Zelda box"....
Yup he's been "working" on Twitch too much.
Hey now it’s hard work
One of my old taekowndo teachers would chamber the back kick, put it down, and then look over the other shoulder and get me with the other side. Thought it was a pretty clever way to change up the timing
That's a pretty mean little trick. I need to give that a try.
Little "stalls" like that are something I really enjoy to mix up strikes.
Can you elaborate?
Dude, David has seriously explosive legs muscles. He's all, "casual spin... BAM". 😂
My TKD teacher sometimes corrects my spinning back kick. My body still wants to do a spinning side kick, just like how I learned in my Tang Soo Do days.
Really? My Tang Soo Do school doesn't teach spinning side kick at all, but focuses heavily on spinning back instead.
@@TheCenturiarch Some schools call it spinning back kick but teach it like a spinning side kick. Or your school has modernized the technique and @Martin Tanz is talking about Tang Soo Do from "back in the day."
They are the same kick, imo any variation is nuance so particular theres no point in 'correcting'. I'm wondering if you actually needed correction because you were off balance, bad aim, bad power, bad distancing or they just wanted more arm swing and torso twist/lean.
@@TheCenturiarch Interesting. I took TSD in the 70's and 80's in NY and we were very focused on spinning side kicks. I had to break 4 boards with it to get my red belt. I prefer to not use it and just do spinning back kicks or spinning hook kicks though.
@@jonathanscott907
In TSD they are similar but not the same kick. Some of the differences they focused on when I took TSD:
For the spinning back kick - your back is mostly facing the target, you can look with one eye or none at your target, your hip is rotated differently, the foot comes up from the ground and not from a cocked position (it is harder to see coming), the toes are pointed 45 degrees down and you are mostly kicking with the heel and after you hit you need to continue to rotate if you want to face the opponent or you can use it to strike and get away from the opponent.
For the spinning side kick - you try to rotate your head first so you can focus on your target when you start spinning, when you hit you are mostly facing the target with eyes on it, your hip rotation is different, the kick comes from a cocked position, the blade of the foot is what you kick with and it is parallel to the floor. After you strike your opponent you will be facing him and can continue to attack towards him rather than having to turn your back like with the SBK.
Also there are differences in the hand motions.
This was how they taught the 2 kicks when I studied Tang Soo Do for 7 years in the 80's. I practice HKD now so I'm not sure what they do with TSD anymore.
In summary:
Back Kick (TKD)
- straight turn
- heel to target
- one eye spots
- foot angled down, travels knee-to-knee
- aim upwards for midsection
- body twists away on kick extension for counterbalance
Side Kick (Karate)
- step off center
- circular turn
- sideways foot
- chamber higher and kick straight through aiming for the ribs
Let me know if I missed anything
Small details but yea sorta!!
The difference is mainly the knee position, which changes what muscle groups are used in the kick. In a back kick, the knee is downward and the kick is mainly driven by the hamstrings. In a side kick, you want the knee level or higher, which has the kick being driven by the quads and gluts (AND some hamstrings).
@@KickyFut Just to make a correction, you got it a little bit backwards. Back kick is not driven by the hamstrings, but by your glut muscles, by the buttocks. Just like a horse rear-leg kick. Side kick is driven by unloading of your hip (and spine), as if you were trying to jump off something sideways, with the kicking leg. But you're right about the knee positioning. The chamber is quiet different. Back kick is knee low, close to the other knee, kick aims backwards and upwards, at the chest. Side kick is knee high, horizontal, the kick aims straight forward (well, technically sideways), at the "guts". And I've seen the thigh of the kicking leg touch the chest before exploding, for max power. These two kicks serve two different purposes, I believe. Back kick is more stealthy (and slightly quicker), while still quiet powerfull. A good defensive kick for someone charging at you. Side kick is the ultimate power kick, the offensive kick, for when you are charging at someone hehe. You spin a lot more with a side kick, that's for sure. The back kick is pretty much a 90-120 deg turn, while the side kick is a full blown 180+ deg turn (I mean the upper body). Anyway, just my opinion. I have no fighting experience, apart from practicing a little bit at home, so feel free to disregard.
Sensei Seth, there are a few things that I think are important to mention when comparing both kicks. The spinning side kick has a longer reach since it allows you to propel your hip when kicking, which makes it better to cover distance if you want to hit an opponent that is either far away or that dodges back. On the other hand, the spinning back kick chambers further away from your hip, which makes it better when the opponent is really close or against opponents who like to close the distance as a counter to jam the kick. If you spin side kick and the opponent gets too close you can, at best, try to push him but with no real impact while the lower chamber of the spinning back kick (the knee besides knee chamber) allows you to cover some distance while going up, giving you about 30 extra centimeters, which makes a lot of difference.
You mentioned that when you chamber for the taekwon-do style spin back kick you can't throw anything else from there but that is just a matter of practice. You can definitely turn a spin back kick that was chambered with the leg coming out right by the knee of the support leg into a spin hook kick midway through, making it less telegraphed, it's actually something pretty common in ITF Taekwon-do sparring.
Overall, great video. Hope to see more stuff like that.
I’m the mutant here. My school calls it “back sidekick”.
Back sidekick all the way
then that is the same as spinning side kick. On ITF we teach both, one is for competition and patterns and the other one is for power.
@@EmmanuelReyes both produce adequate power. The sidekick is something you have to spend a lot of time with. I find myself loading it up before my opponents are in position, in anticipation. Executed properly they will both end you opponents dreams
@@mysty0 you cannot break boards with a back kick because the position of the foot and leg are too low, that's why I made the comment that back side kick is more powerful.
@@EmmanuelReyes I dont break boards, I break ribs!
I think one of the key differences is the spinning back kick is quicker, it's faster to execute and can land faster to the target if it's accurate and well timed.
Dude. The sharpness of his movements make it so much fun to watch. Like when you pointed out his horizontal movement with his foot. I really do enjoy watching that guy throw kicks. Plus I think that bright red uniform against the grey background might have helped make his movements look even more crisp.
Nice to see colab like this. I started with Karate (Okinawan) from grade school to highschool and then switch to TKD from college. I am always fascinated with the differences in details between the kicks.
Thanks for bringing these to light
You guys are legendary. Thank you
This video was actually very helpful for my own back kicks
Thanks seth!
Man watching this channel makes me wish my parents made me stay in karate when I was a kid
Excellent breakdown of both the turning back kick and the spinning side 🤘
Great educational video showing the finer intricacies of these two kicks.
The Taekwondo Master needs to make he's own YouTuve channel !!!!!!
Spinning SIDE KICK vs Spinning BACK KICK: Groin Test (accuracy and precision while testing impact damage)
Oh god please no lol
@@SenseiSeth Ask Mike for this, sure he will join in XD
@@SenseiSeth 🤔 your right.. 😈 its no fun unless you learn the triple axel kick first ua-cam.com/video/ZnMk_Mt9KOY/v-deo.html
I tell people a good bacc kicc should take somebody's soul!! 💯 This guy is awesome as well
Great video, got a new point of view on a few details I wasn't always able to communicate well to my students (TKD) off of it, so thank you!
Maybe I can give something useful back: When we train the spinning back kick, we take an extra, small shock pad behind the big one (you can to tangle your arm through both pads alternating small-big and then grab both handles at the end). This way, you can train full force without the pad holder "getting their soul taken" :D
More please. Like these kinda videos. Didn't know they were 2 different techniques but watched both before
Great breakdown, y'all are both talented teachers thank you.
Thanks for watching!
MAN DO I LOVE THE VIDEOS!
In Shotokan karate I never trained the spinning side kick, only the spinning back kick (or ushirogeri)
Oh nice!! It’s a solid option!
@@SenseiSeth anyway great content, I'm learning a lot!
Thank you!
You should try hanging out with some TKD ITF instructor, just for the memes.
Great vid bro. Greetings from Argentina!
I think it’s official master David Wright needs a channel also his flexibility is next level 👏👏
He is pretty scary with those.kicks, not gonna lie. I'm fricken 100% badass and he looks like a waking stick figure, but MY LORD! He is booming those things, scary!
Insane for being so tall too
@@nunninkav I know right 👍👍👍
@@breadman5048 ya I’m assuming he’s like 6’4
The little jewel u unlocked was literally the most important aspect of the entire video. U truthfully should of just did video on that. Specific targeting for specific strikes. It would of been more useful, but still loved the video. Keep grinding.
Congrats on the content! It's awesome to get acurrete analyse on tecnics from diferent perspectives.
You doing this helps a lot of young martial artist all over the world!
Keep the great work! Thanks alot.
Greetings from Brazil
Thanks so much 🙏🙏
I only learned the spinning back kick in my karate and if you over rotated it turned into a side kick. 🤷🏻♀️ Cool to see everyone's different experiences!
There is a definite benefit to both and its good to learn both. The cool thing is if you start a spin back kick but see that a side kick would be better when you are half way through the kick you can easily turn it into a side kick with slight hip rotation but the opposite is not usually true.
For me the difference is how I chamber the kick. The back kick stays in tight and comes straight from the floor, the side comes from a high chamber to go over a potential block. Heel to butt is back kick, raising the knee high is side kick.
Damn good video! 👏👏 Thanks for the content
More Master David Wright!
Very good video. Much needed. I think you see the spinning side kick used so much because it actually takes a lot of head discipline to throw the back kick. There is a natural desire to acquire the target with both eyes but doing requires turning the body slightly which translates to your feet turning sideways. It's weird, it's like your head and foot are connected by one bone. The more the head turns, the more the body turns...the more the body turns, the more the foot turns.
One note though, the spinning back kick is normally associated with defense since it can be employed literally with your opponent touching you. But it can be used offensively very easily as well. Just as you can jump away from your opponent to create more space to throw this kick, you can use a skip step to move towards your opponent increasing your range for attack.
Awesome Video Sensei Seth!
Great work Guys! Most student seem to over spin while trying to do the back kick. I like to call mine as Turning back kick and Spinning Side Kick. Being short I love to do a scooping spinning back kick to the chin or neck, its not a power kick per say but if you time right it is a KO kick for sure. Surely most who trained World/Kukki TKD late 80- 90's would have seen this kick for sure in International circuits then.
I started in TKD, before getting into muay thai, and one thing I found with spinning back kick was there was the way we did it in class, versus the way we did it in sparring (in sparring I don't know where it falls in terms of being a spinning back kick or a spinning side kick, but it was different and it was different because you just had to adapt to the fluidity of the exchange in competition---I ended up almost doing something like a jumping spinning back kick the way I did it---but at an upward angle with the kick---so I could drive it up into the person as a counter mostly). I am not great with the taxonomy of kicks, but to me it always felt different the way I did it, the way I saw other guys do it (which seemed to be highly individual and very dependent on your body type and what was going on and who you were fighting), and the way we did it in line drills (which was a lot more formal, even rigid). Still one of my favorite kicks to actually land against people
Those are some awesome looking kicks
Watching these videos makes me feel like I have never trained before and therefore want to go to class immediately!
Haha heckkkj yes
I recently started doing karate, I’m enjoying it so far. Only downside is that my legs often hurt after training.
It happens! Goes away eventually
Well that's not a downside but totally the opposite. You are training something you haven't trained for a while 😉
Lots of squats and calf raises (high volume, just body weight) help me with that. Jumping jacks too. Have fun!
@@martinnvillarreal true
Oh yeah, well basically all of me hurts all the time, I have a chronic lower back injury from 20 years ago. So join the club lol. Ok Not all of me but mainly just lower back sometimes, and something that happens with a vertebrae at the base of my neck that goes out of place, geez what a pain
Great video! I recently learned the spinning side kick after spending a decade doing the spinning back kick in taekwondo training. One major difference is the range. Spinning back kicks could be thrown at an opponent standing right in front of you. It is especially useful when stopping pressure fighters from coming in due to the speed and simplicity of the kick. By jumping backwards while throwing it, you get even more of an ability to hit close range opponents in a devastating fashion while turning away from their attacks.
The spinning side kick however is in my opinion much more powerful because you are able to draw energy from the rotation of your upper body into the kick as well as energy from the back foot pushing into the kick. The ability to "fall" into the kick also makes it a longer range weapon and ads further energy coming from the weight of your body falling towards the floor and into the target. The kicks are useful in different situations and i think most people could benefit from learning both!
good comparison, thank you for the video
Seems like a cool surprise kick. I like the idea
You're just a much nicer guy than Mike, which is why I like when you make good videos I can watch
I've trained in many styles and own a taekwondo school. I teach turning back kick the same way as spinning back kick is demonstrated here. I teach spinning hook kick (what they call wheel kick) so it starts identical to turning back kick and changes on the extension. It's a great way to disguise the kick. When my students spar students from different schools they are always surprised at where the hook kick came from. It's much harder to teach it that way though and takes more practice to gain skill.
What I teach in my TKD classes for the back kick, is to not stand 100% side ways but instead when (looking at the person straight on) their feet should be a half foots length apart so when they turn they don't get tangled on their owns legs (not looking like you're on a tight rope). This way you have a balanced stance and when you kick you wont have your own knee in the path of the kick. Also trying to only make contact with the heel is important to centralize the force, as well as moving your body through the target. Just my 2 cents.
Great video! Thanks for posting. I have always known the difference between those two kicks, but my question is, witch kick can generate more power. I used to think the side kick generated more power because it has more extension, but now I'm not so sure. With the spinning back kick, you are using your glutes, witch happen to be the strongest muscles in your legs, so I'm still not sure witch kick can generate more power.
think about the side kick like a straight rear hook and the back kick like a straight punch, counter balance of the rear hook is a side step n a lean back for the straight punch. I love how you can choose the kick based on your balance management. so fun to work on spinning attack
That's funny, I thought the difference for like the third time to my students the other day. I'm surprised I missed this one of your videos until now. Good deconstruction seriously.
Edit: I also add the muscles involved. The back kick will make more direct use of the gluteus maximus (big muscle of your butt), while the side kick calls for the medius, minimus and TFL. More simply, the side kick calls for the side of your hip while the back kick calls for the butt.
I used to do taekwondo and jeez u learn fast
Well, i did Judo, capoeira and then got to muay thai, and in capoeira we usually don't do those pivots in the foots to throw kicks but when they told me to do that in muay thai, i didn't strugle to do it and could do spinning back kicks pretty easy, maybe taekwando wasn't your thing. Have you tried any grappling art?
0:26 you should do a tutorial on this kick
i howld hard
This taekwondo teacher kicks like a street fighter character
Master Wright is the goat
I feel like a major difference is spinning back kick is very one dimensional at the almost last moment.
Spinning side kick can turn into a spinning hook kick.
That's my experience at least.
None the less great video and love these types of comparison. 💪🙂👍
I said that!! Sorta haha
@@SenseiSeth great minds think alike. I was also commenting moments into the video. Funny enough as you mention it I was sending the comment 😅😅😅
Spinning back kick is mainly used as a defensive kick. A lot of people do a jumping fading back kick when a person is rushing them.
I hate to tell Sensei Seth, but that last back kick from Master Wright looked like he threw it at maybe 50% power.
Right? Wild
@@SenseiSeth But hey! uh ... your kicks looked strong, too. 😁
Especially since the back kick is a common counter against an advancing opponent too? Yeah ow.
One of the hardest things to teach a student is not to take a step with the front foot when you throw the back kick. It's not only telling the person your fighting that your getting ready to attack but actually puts your body farther behind your front foot. All kicks need a weight transfer ahead of your front foot so taking a step means your hips have a longer distance to travel.
Seth when you started doing the spin back kick in the drills with the pad you kept wanting to separate your knees open your hips and chamber LOL you could tell that you were trying to keep your knees together and maintain that straight line movement but you're just too programmed in the spin side and you naturally want to chamber LOL. I definitely relate to the struggle but it was still entertaining to watch.
Yes I can tell the different because I do both. The spinning back is a great defensive kick. You can also jump backwards to do the spinning back.
i use both in kickboxing but for different reasons...
*I use the spinning back kick strictly as a counter.* I feel like you dont have to be balanced to correctly chamber a spinning back kick and a spinning back kick has more pop and can be thrown from any angle. *The spinning side kick* i use offensively because it has more of a pushing action to it. Even though still has a pop to it, it reminds me more of a pushing tactic since you’re using your hip more to get the power where the back kick is more of a whipping technique, and really you throw a spinning side kick at a angle. so it can be harder to get off or not be used to its full impact if it’s not set up correctly, but it can create more distance than the back kick
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@@SenseiSeth np mon
I have trained in ITF and WTF and was never taught to do what you call a spin back kick. In fact we were discouraged from it. I've had instructors call it a lazy incorrect spin side and also mule kick.
awesome
I spent equal time on both in my Karate. The back kick is brutally powerful but pretty unwieldy. I struggled to even hit anywhere on the heavy bag well, I can't aim as high or as low, but when it connects it's probably the most powerful kick I had. The side kick I could consistently get a decent contact and aim somewhere useful. I'd consider the side kick usable, but the back kick was far too inconsistent for me. That likely changes with a lot of time spent kicking and practising cool spinning kicks. I'd imagine that is part of why Karate prefers the side kick whilst Taekwondo has more time to train the back kick.
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Maybe my dojo was an outlier but in 10 years of Shotokan Karate, we never did spinning side kicks. We DID learn spinning back kick under the justification that it's the most efficient spinning kick and one of the most if not THE most powerful kicks possible. Which seems correct in my personal experience. Of course others may have different experiences and if the spinning side kick works better for them then that's great
“A good back kick should take somebody’s soul” wow! 🙏🏼
0:27 oh man Seth 🤣🤣🤣 why you gotta do Mike like that? 😂😂 This needs to be added to his intro. But to the topic of sidekick vs back-kick, do you also find it easier to teach people the back kick? I find that a lot of people with stiff hips find the back kick a bit easier. It also teaches them to turn their rear foot out wards. Thanks for the content.🙏
Very technical. I dig it. I used to turn and look.. then decide what kick to throw. Hell sometimes it ends up a punch. No big deal. P.S. heavyweights shouldn’t spin in the finals. These guys are fast. 😂 you are fast for a heavyweight.
Hey, kwonkicker's secret "punch the floor" on the back kick tip wasn't so secret after all. I remember that one tip changed my back kicks forever when I was training in Karate as a kid.
hey so sensei seth again you and every one make the best vid martial arts of all time also when i typed combat sports and wen to combat sports wikipedia i know wikipedia is fake and can put many things but at least when i went to it this was not made or put there look Common combat sports include boxing (including many styles of kickboxing), wrestling (including Sumo wrestling), fencing, modern-era mixed martial arts (MMA), as well as many varieties of indigenous martial arts, such as judo (Japanese), savate (French), Muay Thai (Thai), Lethwei (Burmese), Sanda (Chinese), Tae Kwon Do (Korean), Capoeira (Afro-Brazilian), Brazilian jiu-jitsu (Brazilian), Sambo (Soviet), and Kyokushin (Japanese-Korean)
I was taught spinning kicks differently. We line up the front leg and step forward and across with the back leg and then the front leg becomes the back leg you turn your head first to see the target and you throw the back kick with toes pointed straight down.
10:16 that's how I throw both and how I was taught. My choice of which one to use depends on range and intended target on the body. The "poop myself" joke is all to real. I spent years as an assistant and eventually lead instructor in TKD, there have been many people that needed to change their Dobak after a back kick.
I thought on a spin side kick that the shoulders were to line up with the hips to allow for better tensegrity. Once the shoulders lose that alignment, the spine has to deal with the reactive force instead of it traveling down to the ground via the planted foot.
I usually use the back kick as a counter or when I'm annoyed with the opponent so I want him to really feel the power I have
Ooh, enforcer!
We do both in our style karate. Do the back kick ushiro Geri and spinning side kick. We finish the back differently to tkd, we recover the leg back to the starting position
I would be interested in an analysis of spinning wheel kick vs spinning hook kick
I did a little tkd but I always did the spinning back kick more like a spinning side kick. I do Kung fu now or rather a style of and we have the spinning back kick as well like the first example kick and I having such a hard time with it particularly the spinal alignment and kicking while upright which limits my range of motion. So I end up doing spinning side kick instead which my Sifu scolds me for.
Talk about two guys who chose the correct style for their body type. This might be the perfect visual representation of TKD body type and Karate body type.
Do you happen to know an Isshin Ryu karate instructor? I've been watching videos on that style and that approach might make an interesting video for your channel.
I know I'd watch it.
Both kicks are situationally good, but I tend to avoid the spinning side kick in longer range sparring. I find it's easier to get inside and jam the chamber of most opponents if it's the higher chamber for a side kick, while jamming a back kick isn't really doable since at zero range it'll go straight below the waist. It's also easier to counter the side kick, if someone has good enough reach, timing, and angles to nail you with a round kick while you're extended out because the chest is more open. Once you can take a back kick and slide it forward or jump it back from a clinch, that adds an extra dimension that's fun to play with, but definitely more sport only than anything to use for real. I do like spinning side kick and spinning hook/wheel having a similar chamber though, makes me think of the Superfoot concept of using the same chamber for hook, side, and round kick.
I consider you my virtual sensei for Karate but honestly think you look way more efficient and powerful with TKD
Thanks for this vid! In shotokan, we don’t look over the shoulder, hug the knees together and keep the foot pointing straight down. For back kick, that is. Spinning side kick isn’t in our curriculum.
Hmm my shotokan senseis always told us to look over the shoulder. Not that you could not do it without looking....
@@kkarx when you look over your shoulder your hip opens up and it becomes a sidekick. It’s not possible to have your foot vertical and look over your shoulder. Honestly it’s nothing more than semantics but that’s how we distinguish the two kicks. Side kick is near horizontal and back kick is virtual foot position. I’m sure you’re right about what you were taught but in the current SKIF kihon, that’s how we do it.
@@themelongourddevelopmentbo4963 You are correct that by looking over your shoulder the foot will angle into more horizontal position. Still if you dont look you dont know where your target is. This might not be issue with spinning back kick when you look before you spin but for a back kick without spinning you will have to look over your shoulder anyway to see where you target is. I would not call it side kick if your target is behind you.
Nice Zelda reference. cool ninja kicks
Benny "the Jet" Urquidez has that legendary back kick 🦵💥
Sensei Seth... the way I see it you are still doing the spinning back kick
Seth did Icy Mike dirty with that intro lol
Tae Kwon Do spinning back kick, works on a similar principle, mimicking a horse or mule kicking backwards.
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We train both side and back kicks in Kyokushin karate, but in sparring and fighting we more often use the side kick only as we don’t want to give our back to the opponent OSU
LOL For the spinning back kick : When you throw it , you will rotate and turn your back to the opponent . But the spinning side kick , you won't turn your back to. Both kick will rotate in the opposite direction. If clockwise rotation is the spinning back kick , anticlockwise rotation will be the spinning side kick. If clockwise rotation is the spinning side kick , clockwise rotation will be the spinning back kick.
I've had hip issues ever since I was a teen, I never could get the hip rotation to commit a spinning back kick, only could do the side.
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In my point of view:
The point is to understand anatomic and kinetic difference between ushiro geri and ushiro yoko geri in karate terminology and after that to use these two techniques with full spinning.
Taekwondo master use ushiro geri (using of karate terminology). You Seth use ushiro yoko geri.
Advantages of ushiro geri are:
- hihger speed of spinnig, becasue your body is closer to rotating axis. That is just a phisics. Have a look on ice-skaters. Higher rotaing speed is when all limbs are closer to corpus. During rotating to finnaly use of ushiro geri the knee of kicking leg is much closer to rotating axis
- more safety for hips during kicking
- much more angagement of gluteus muscles must generate more power
I think it's easier to miss with a spin side kick too. Either under spin or over spin.