Finally we have a guy that tells it how it is. Just straight up honest opinion. Not some magazine article trying to sell product just because the vendor buys ads.
Talking good on my dart 180s! Yeah I seen the price jump but I bought them a few years before they went up so I got the pair for $1300 and change assembled but now I’m reworking them with your advice slowly and making them better. I’m still really glad I got them I think they are such a beautiful head and already out of the box super nice but the more of your videos I watch I can find little things to do here and there so thank you so much for content
,,,,,,Thanks Eric............you are one of few great cylinder head specialists ,,,,I own a set of brody heads ......At this point in my education ,,,I am still amazed to see all the work still needed to truly free air from these manufactered aluminum heads....from any photo one can see ,,,,,,valves need to be unshrouded,,,,,,,,take nothing as a givin........thanks for your videos....
i had ported a set of ik200 heads about two years. heads flowed 290@.700 on the intake, and i think the exhaust port was around 210@.700. the port didnt really stall but never checked after .750 lift. personally i thought those where good numbers for a 2.020 deal. a set of old track1s probably back in the 90s i did flowed around 320ish @.800, but thats also a 2.080 or 2.100 valve. nice heads none the less.
I’m glad you’re showing the differences & reasons! Almost every street small block that went out my bosses shop, used those Dart heads! Someone’s really dicked the dog 🐩 on that deal 🙄! There still out there running with no issues! But when the prices went up! We stopped using them! Especially when your trying to build a custom engine where there not way more expensive than crate engines! Even though you know a race shop putting a street engine together, is way better in every way over a crate of slammed together box 📦 stock parts! Anyway great video! I never thought 💭 you would have almost 9 thousand more subscribers than our friend MBE Matt 😂😂😂😂! I’m guessing most people looking 👀 for there own heads, really have no idea 🤷♂️ what goes into a real max effort race head! You know what I’m talking about! With the Coated ti valves, the 55$ seats, ect ect ect! Have a good week, cannot wait to hear the Thanksgiving story 😜😜😜😜!
As a recent subscriber, I am glad to be in here at the 10K mark, plus/minus. Wait till you hit 50K, 100K, and then 1M. Oh, it will happen! Just keep being you, and never apologize for anything! (Sure, you can always admit that you were wrong, but never apologize!) Anyways, congratulations on the 10K subs. Well deserved. o7
Thorough! Thank you! Was comparing the flow numbers to the old Canfield 195 heads. Seeing now that the Canfields had some impressive flow numbers compared to most others still out on the market! Castings were also real nice! Was surprised no one bought them out...or did they?
Hey Eric, Tim here (bracket Poncho guy)....LOVE the content!!......i am REALLY glad i subscribed, and i shuda a long while back......just didnt know.......CONGRATS ON 10,000!!!.....hopefully you're educating alot more folks on stuff they should know as engine builders, like me, and joe shmoe who needs to know, to build a proper combo!!....again, LOVE the chanel!!....TY!!
I really like the jist of the underlying subject. Port volume counts where I come from. In the past my experiences were better with Dart aluminum than the rest in regards to weld repairs. There were many cylinder heads that I was able to nurse through quite a bit of adversity. Dart would hold on to the heat treat better than any of the rest. Brodix I would call a close second but I would never force that subject between the two. It is the subject I bring up when considering offshore castings and factory castings. The heat treatment on that aluminum is scary after weld repairs have been done.
I came back to this video after watching the IK215 review. These budget heads have lots of potential, as Eric states. My observation is the smallest port that flows the same (the Dart SHP heads) is going to produce the best torque curve due to increased port velocity. To be smaller, the port has to have a smaller cross section, and that means higher velocity at the same flow. A fatter torque curve is going to make a better street engine. Whether that’s worth a few hundred bucks is the next question…
When I am making a 400 or bigger I use a IK215 usually the 1020009 as they work well with a solid roller like a Comp. 12-890-9 , Try it you will like it.
Put a set of IK200s on a 408 I built last winter. Switched to 7/16 studs and 10* locks/retainers to gain som clearance on seals so I could run a 600 lift ft cam I had. I cleaned the lip at the end of their cnc port match. Ran respectful 6.50/10.25
You should be good. Those are pretty much bang on with a 4" bore - just blend the ridge out from their valve job top cuts where you find them as noted in vid. Go to 0.030" over, and you can probably tease a tiny extra amount of unshrouding on cylinder wall side of intake - don't get greedy. [Not that intake has any problems]. The 200's like a 4.125"+ bore and have no business being on a 327..
Hey Eric have you ever flowed the Blueprint 195's? They post some decent numbers and have heard the current ones they sell are an older Afr 195 casting....externally they look very similar. Great video keep up the good work. 👍🏻
Spot check your springs: there are small variances at times. I had a set that came 140# [@ 1.80"] and 320# [@1.30"]. Thats not enough to bother or worry me, but gotta know what's in there before aging with run time.
Any and every cylinder head should be checked. We disassemble every new head that comes in assembled. They are all mass produced and are not built for anyone's specific application. Their ratings are usually "close enough" at best. That doesn't cut it.
Congrats man on 10k subscribers! You definitely deserve it and no doubt will get thousands more. Quick general theory question. At the 7:38 mark you can get a great view of the port taper into the pushrod pinch from the cnc entry. For an average customer that would just bolt on this head, is the taper making the port worse than if the entry was just left closer to the same size as the pinch and not cnc'd? Hope that made sense how I asked...Thanks for the awesome content!
I remembered this video while I was looking at heads on summit. The Profiler 195cc Performance Products 176-19-14-93 is $1,075.00 per head. The Brodix IK180 is $1,139.99 for a pair of heads. The Profilers are almost twice the price. Has Profiler gone the way of Dart as far as pricing? Or is this just a supply and demand issue in these strange times we're living in? (Rhetorical question, you don't have to answer) Thanks sharing your videos with us, enjoying your channel
I have been looking at the profiler 195 heads for a 383 stroker build. However the price has gone up. They are now not sold as a pair. Instead they are sold as each and the price is $1,075 per head from summit. Are they still worth the cost ? The brodix ik 200 is $1,142.66 a pair. Which is the best buy as far as performance and guality?gravity? I value your opinion. Thank you.
This is a bit of a bummer. I bought a set of Promaxx heads based in part on the flow bench numbers on their website. It sure looks like their 200 heads are a Brodix IK knock off. It should still make for a pretty decent little street engine, but perhaps not quite as good as advertised 🤷♂️
Appreciate your video! Im in the market for a set of heads to replace the procomps that came already on a 383 sbc in a squarebody I bought. Im "fixin" to open the motor to identify it's exact makeup so Im lacking the exact info you would need to get specific. BUT....that said....what would you currently suggest for what seems to be a pretty decently comprised engine (minus the procomp heads). Im interested in a head that "makes the most sense" money wise, but of course I want to make power.
I got some IK 210 cnc heads a few years ago for my project. I am curious how close they are in flow numbers. One of these days I will get my junk running.
Have you flowed the 180 Dart cast iron heads. Comparing The 180 flow numbers at .400 with like the dart 200 cast iron and 220 are all about the same. Velocity is better I guess. Anyway have you flowed the dart 180 cast iron heads?
Are you telling me that lip where the gasket match stops dont help to be blended in? Only the lips at the valves??? Or where the bowel blend stops in the exhaust where the big hump is?
My only problem with the IK 200 is lack of dual plane intake availability to fit a corvette. I bought a pair to put on a 385 stroker only to find out no intake will work, any suggestions on that?
@@WeingartnerRacing I can tell you for a fact that a 1206 fel pro won’t fit a performer intake, and supposedly that’s the only intake that will fit under a stock 78 corvette hood. Gotta be a better choice out there, you would think someone would step up and build one for us.
I know this comment is old buuuut look at the brodix HV 1016 intake .... you'll have to port match to the 1206 intake gasket , but it has a ton of available material to do so.... I actually ordered the brodix and rpm intakes and ultimately thought the brodix would suit me better overall ....
Hey Eric, or anyone for that matter..can the IK heads be drilled for the temp sensor? i see the pad area is machined, but have never read anyone actually doing it. Thanks and congrats on the 10K!
Why would you want to? It should go by the thermostat in the intake for accurate readings. Always shows much hotter in the head... and freaks people out.
@@jrdmotorsports9718 better monitoring in the head. If your gauge reads 220, it's a whole lot hotter in them heads, and when dealing with aluminum....I think I'd rather know what they're going thru rather than up on top
@@rtkl13 False sense of engine temp, as they will ALWAYS read hotter in the heads. If it isn't an accurate indication of engine temperature, like in the manifold next to the thermostat, then why do it. Of course, you can run it anywhere you want, but far better to run it in the manifold. Just sayin.
Hey. Eric, I am wondering what the best iron bbc head is for drag racing. I'm currently running pro topline 220's on a 383. big solid roller. I make great power but not enough. I'm thinking about building a big block. I'd be shooting for 800hp or more if I can get it from 496.
this is a budget street head. meant for mild street cars with a nice idle and a lot of low end torque. youre comparing 70 year old tech to 10 year old tech. not a fair comparison. also just an fyi there are sbc heads that make even ported LS3 heads look bad.
@@konnerkramer329 Thanks Eric. It was just a question. I bought a good 5.7 LS1 for $500. So a $1000 for SBC heads doesn't sound low budget. Be careful out in public wearing your heart on your sleeve.
@@jimandskittum wearing my heart on my sleeve??? wtf are you talking about. also yes junkyard engines are cheap. there is obviously going to be a big price difference between a core engine and aftermarket performance parts.
@@konnerkramer329 I never said junkyard. I said good as in ready to run. Aluminum block, ~350 cubes, skirted block with side bolted mains, compact, 15 degree valve angle, not a bit of cyl. taper. It's a beautiful piece of equipment. Your overreaction to me asking if those heads flowing about what ls stuff does is wtf I'm talking about wearing your heart on your sleeve. LS 4 LIFE!
@@jimandskittum that 15 degree valve angle doesn't really help much considering they have a 197cc runner and 2" valve and flow 20 less cfm than these 200cc 23 degree heads. also a skirted block is all well and good however a cast iron sbc can handle about 600-650hp. while an ls1 block can handle about 700hp. while being about 600lbs lighter... yeah thats not worth the hassle in my opinion
Eric, YES PLEASE do show us how you blend that lip out in the chamber above the top cut. Thanks!
Finally we have a guy that tells it how it is. Just straight up honest opinion. Not some magazine article trying to sell product just because the vendor buys ads.
This is the best and most honest assessment on these 3 cylinder heads. Thank you for this !
The best head tutorials on the web! I mess with old FE stuff but it is never too late to learn!
I love FE's, they're so unique, tough, and torquey. But my favorite engines are BB Mopars. Very easy to work on, and bulletproof.
Love the FE engines. 👍
Great content Eric.
Congratulations on the 10,000 subscribers.
Thank you, EM.
Your honesty is appreciated
Talking good on my dart 180s! Yeah I seen the price jump but I bought them a few years before they went up so I got the pair for $1300 and change assembled but now I’m reworking them with your advice slowly and making them better. I’m still really glad I got them I think they are such a beautiful head and already out of the box super nice but the more of your videos I watch I can find little things to do here and there so thank you so much for content
,,,,,,Thanks Eric............you are one of few great cylinder head specialists ,,,,I own a set of brody heads ......At this point in my education ,,,I am still amazed to see all the work still needed to truly free air from these manufactered aluminum heads....from any photo one can see ,,,,,,valves need to be unshrouded,,,,,,,,take nothing as a givin........thanks for your videos....
i had ported a set of ik200 heads about two years. heads flowed 290@.700 on the intake, and i think the exhaust port was around 210@.700. the port didnt really stall but never checked after .750 lift. personally i thought those where good numbers for a 2.020 deal. a set of old track1s probably back in the 90s i did flowed around 320ish @.800, but thats also a 2.080 or 2.100 valve. nice heads none the less.
I’m glad you’re showing the differences & reasons! Almost every street small block that went out my bosses shop, used those Dart heads! Someone’s really dicked the dog 🐩 on that deal 🙄! There still out there running with no issues! But when the prices went up! We stopped using them! Especially when your trying to build a custom engine where there not way more expensive than crate engines! Even though you know a race shop putting a street engine together, is way better in every way over a crate of slammed together box 📦 stock parts! Anyway great video! I never thought 💭 you would have almost 9 thousand more subscribers than our friend MBE Matt 😂😂😂😂! I’m guessing most people looking 👀 for there own heads, really have no idea 🤷♂️ what goes into a real max effort race head! You know what I’m talking about! With the Coated ti valves, the 55$ seats, ect ect ect! Have a good week, cannot wait to hear the Thanksgiving story 😜😜😜😜!
As a recent subscriber, I am glad to be in here at the 10K mark, plus/minus. Wait till you hit 50K, 100K, and then 1M. Oh, it will happen! Just keep being you, and never apologize for anything! (Sure, you can always admit that you were wrong, but never apologize!)
Anyways, congratulations on the 10K subs. Well deserved. o7
Thorough! Thank you! Was comparing the flow numbers to the old Canfield 195 heads. Seeing now that the Canfields had some impressive flow numbers compared to most others still out on the market! Castings were also real nice! Was surprised no one bought them out...or did they?
I have yet to buy a good after market sbc head...i really appreciate the straight talk...it's gives a good basis to evaluate from.....thanks.
Hey Eric,
Tim here (bracket Poncho guy)....LOVE the content!!......i am REALLY glad i subscribed, and i shuda a long while back......just didnt know.......CONGRATS ON 10,000!!!.....hopefully you're educating alot more folks on stuff they should know as engine builders, like me, and joe shmoe who needs to know, to build a proper combo!!....again, LOVE the chanel!!....TY!!
I really like the jist of the underlying subject. Port volume counts where I come from.
In the past my experiences were better with Dart aluminum than the rest in regards to weld repairs.
There were many cylinder heads that I was able to nurse through quite a bit of adversity.
Dart would hold on to the heat treat better than any of the rest. Brodix I would call a close second but I would never force that subject between the two.
It is the subject I bring up when considering offshore castings and factory castings. The heat treatment on that aluminum is scary after weld repairs have been done.
I came back to this video after watching the IK215 review. These budget heads have lots of potential, as Eric states. My observation is the smallest port that flows the same (the Dart SHP heads) is going to produce the best torque curve due to increased port velocity. To be smaller, the port has to have a smaller cross section, and that means higher velocity at the same flow. A fatter torque curve is going to make a better street engine. Whether that’s worth a few hundred bucks is the next question…
When I am making a 400 or bigger I use a IK215 usually the 1020009 as they work well with a solid roller like a Comp. 12-890-9 , Try it you will like it.
Very helpful to watch this stuff on youtube. I would like to see some review of promaxx heads.
X2 on the Promaxx stuff !
Put a set of IK200s on a 408 I built last winter. Switched to 7/16 studs and 10* locks/retainers to gain som clearance on seals so I could run a 600 lift ft cam I had. I cleaned the lip at the end of their cnc port match. Ran respectful 6.50/10.25
That's respectable
Thanks for the info, i am building a 327 and plan to use the ik 180, i feel more certain now this is a good choice for my build.
You should be good. Those are pretty much bang on with a 4" bore - just blend the ridge out from their valve job top cuts where you find them as noted in vid. Go to 0.030" over, and you can probably tease a tiny extra amount of unshrouding on cylinder wall side of intake - don't get greedy. [Not that intake has any problems]. The 200's like a 4.125"+ bore and have no business being on a 327..
Hey Eric have you ever flowed the Blueprint 195's? They post some decent numbers and have heard the current ones they sell are an older Afr 195 casting....externally they look very similar. Great video keep up the good work. 👍🏻
You should have 100,000 subscribers. You are very under the radar guy but very intelligent! Keep going.
Not much is better than some morning head, congrats on 10k!
Spot check your springs: there are small variances at times. I had a set that came 140# [@ 1.80"] and 320# [@1.30"]. Thats not enough to bother or worry me, but gotta know what's in there before aging with run time.
Any and every cylinder head should be checked. We disassemble every new head that comes in assembled. They are all mass produced and are not built for anyone's specific application. Their ratings are usually "close enough" at best. That doesn't cut it.
Please consider doing a video on sbc combustion chamber blending and how that effects cc's.
You deserve the 10k subscribers do to the informative content.
What about Elderbrock ETEC 200 heads
Congrats man on 10k subscribers! You definitely deserve it and no doubt will get thousands more.
Quick general theory question. At the 7:38 mark you can get a great view of the port taper into the pushrod pinch from the cnc entry. For an average customer that would just bolt on this head, is the taper making the port worse than if the entry was just left closer to the same size as the pinch and not cnc'd? Hope that made sense how I asked...Thanks for the awesome content!
Love the videos very informative. Thank you
Good video. I’ve been looking at both IK and profiler.
You ever laid eyes on the Australian cast RacerPro heads? I have them, ported they run right around 215cc on the intake runners. Just wondering?
Being a Mopar guy, I’d like to see you do a set of Mopar heads!
It just depends on what comes in.
I understand that. With the parts shortage it might be even longer.
I put a set of IK 200 on a 388 of a friend of mine and it had the 1205 intake port which is odd
Congrat's on 10K Subs. 👍
I remembered this video while I was looking at heads on summit. The Profiler 195cc
Performance Products 176-19-14-93 is $1,075.00 per head. The Brodix IK180 is $1,139.99 for a pair of heads. The Profilers are almost twice the price. Has Profiler gone the way of Dart as far as pricing? Or is this just a supply and demand issue in these strange times we're living in? (Rhetorical question, you don't have to answer)
Thanks sharing your videos with us, enjoying your channel
It was me .. I was your 10,000 subscriber :) ha!
Also! Could you exsplain to me the dif between a trac 1 and a Tony Barker trac 1 ???? Did he put longer intake valves in them?
I have been looking at the profiler 195 heads for a 383 stroker build. However the price has gone up. They are now not sold as a pair. Instead they are sold as each and the price is $1,075 per head from summit. Are they still worth the cost ? The brodix ik 200 is $1,142.66 a pair. Which is the best buy as far as performance and guality?gravity? I value your opinion. Thank you.
They are not worth the price now.
This is a bit of a bummer. I bought a set of Promaxx heads based in part on the flow bench numbers on their website. It sure looks like their 200 heads are a Brodix IK knock off. It should still make for a pretty decent little street engine, but perhaps not quite as good as advertised 🤷♂️
those 195 profilers sounds good for my sbc327
Congratulations on the ten grand folks watching
Congratulations on the subscriptions....
Appreciate your video! Im in the market for a set of heads to replace the procomps that came already on a 383 sbc in a squarebody I bought. Im "fixin" to open the motor to identify it's exact makeup so Im lacking the exact info you would need to get specific. BUT....that said....what would you currently suggest for what seems to be a pretty decently comprised engine (minus the procomp heads). Im interested in a head that "makes the most sense" money wise, but of course I want to make power.
I got some IK 210 cnc heads a few years ago for my project. I am curious how close they are in flow numbers. One of these days I will get my junk running.
One day a IK215 vs profiler 210 would be good if you ever get both
oh you should put the link to your website in your descriptions below the video
Have you flowed the 180 Dart cast iron heads.
Comparing The 180 flow numbers at .400 with like the dart 200 cast iron and 220 are all about the same. Velocity is better I guess.
Anyway have you flowed the dart 180 cast iron heads?
Brodix is the thing!
Congrats, I like your content.
Can we get a video of some post porting / combustion chamber clean up flow numbers? ....
I have done that video.
@WeingartnerRacing I must have missed it, I seen vids relating to the ik180 and the ik215 .... I'll go look again , thanks
The profilers are $1000+ each through profiler now
Eric... so what does it take to make the profiler as reliable as the brodix?
Eric your showing us your real person. Chevy is much cheaper to build the Mopar and Ford
Brodix ik, Areoflow, Pro-flow 180 and 200cc. we call them no-flow.
I baught a used pair of Pro-Filer 195's, how do I tell if they're old or newer casting's?
They only have one casting.
Good info. Thanks
Great video. Your T shirt u put in the box was 2 sizes too small.🤫 Will give it to a co worker.
Are you telling me that lip where the gasket match stops dont help to be blended in? Only the lips at the valves??? Or where the bowel blend stops in the exhaust where the big hump is?
I think the ik 200 is hard to beat for the price
Eric which do you like better these IK 200's or the AFR Enforcer 195's??
USA cast/made vs China casting
Congrats on 10,000 🍻
Man my Promaxx Maxx 200 head looks awfully similar to the Brodix IK200... 🤣🤣🤣
It’s almost like promaxx copied them.
Do these heads compare to the blue print racing 195cc heads?
They are worse.
How can I get a T-Shirt ?
My only problem with the IK 200 is lack of dual plane intake availability to fit a corvette. I bought a pair to put on a 385 stroker only to find out no intake will work, any suggestions on that?
I don’t know of any intake that will not fit that heads.
@@WeingartnerRacing I can tell you for a fact that a 1206 fel pro won’t fit a performer intake, and supposedly that’s the only intake that will fit under a stock 78 corvette hood. Gotta be a better choice out there, you would think someone would step up and build one for us.
I know this comment is old buuuut look at the brodix HV 1016 intake .... you'll have to port match to the 1206 intake gasket , but it has a ton of available material to do so.... I actually ordered the brodix and rpm intakes and ultimately thought the brodix would suit me better overall ....
@@JosephDibella-op6mt thanks, I will check it out. Can’t be taller than a performer or I will have to change the hood 😢
@@caspianwendell Call Edelbrock see if their EPS can be port matched to 1206. Weiand has more than 1 dual plane out also
Congratulations.. Love you videos... Remember Joel them under 30 minutes.. And Let's Go Brandon❤❤❤
Hey Eric, or anyone for that matter..can the IK heads be drilled for the temp sensor? i see the pad area is machined, but have never read anyone actually doing it. Thanks and congrats on the 10K!
Why would you want to? It should go by the thermostat in the intake for accurate readings. Always shows much hotter in the head... and freaks people out.
@@jrdmotorsports9718 better monitoring in the head. If your gauge reads 220, it's a whole lot hotter in them heads, and when dealing with aluminum....I think I'd rather know what they're going thru rather than up on top
@@rtkl13 False sense of engine temp, as they will ALWAYS read hotter in the heads. If it isn't an accurate indication of engine temperature, like in the manifold next to the thermostat, then why do it. Of course, you can run it anywhere you want, but far better to run it in the manifold. Just sayin.
Hey. Eric, I am wondering what the best iron bbc head is for drag racing. I'm currently running pro topline 220's on a 383. big solid roller. I make great power but not enough. I'm thinking about building a big block. I'd be shooting for 800hp or more if I can get it from 496.
I would be shocked and mortified if a bbc 496 with well matched components couldn't produce the power numbers you seek.
@@gregorytimmons4777 that would be my next motor to build, but for now, my motor is healthy. It's easy to make power with displacement though.
@@gregorytimmons4777 huh?
@@basketballcory2 Sorry. Crossed circuits.
Have you done a vid on your Canfield BBC heads?
No
Can a man make good power with these heads ?
It was me!
it was me Eric I am number 10k
U can delete the camshaft...
I’m using a set on a sbc 427
Why such a small head for a 427? Just curious.
32👍's up thanks for sharing
how about a t-shirt for all 10,000 of us
😂 lol 😂
Love the channel Eric!!
#firstcomment
Eric I was the 10,000
@eric weingarter get some millwakee torchs mate there trick
So they flow about the same as a stock LS head?
this is a budget street head. meant for mild street cars with a nice idle and a lot of low end torque. youre comparing 70 year old tech to 10 year old tech. not a fair comparison. also just an fyi there are sbc heads that make even ported LS3 heads look bad.
@@konnerkramer329 Thanks Eric. It was just a question. I bought a good 5.7 LS1 for $500. So a $1000 for SBC heads doesn't sound low budget. Be careful out in public wearing your heart on your sleeve.
@@jimandskittum wearing my heart on my sleeve??? wtf are you talking about. also yes junkyard engines are cheap. there is obviously going to be a big price difference between a core engine and aftermarket performance parts.
@@konnerkramer329 I never said junkyard. I said good as in ready to run. Aluminum block, ~350 cubes, skirted block with side bolted mains, compact, 15 degree valve angle, not a bit of cyl. taper. It's a beautiful piece of equipment. Your overreaction to me asking if those heads flowing about what ls stuff does is wtf I'm talking about wearing your heart on your sleeve. LS 4 LIFE!
@@jimandskittum that 15 degree valve angle doesn't really help much considering they have a 197cc runner and 2" valve and flow 20 less cfm than these 200cc 23 degree heads. also a skirted block is all well and good however a cast iron sbc can handle about 600-650hp. while an ls1 block can handle about 700hp. while being about 600lbs lighter... yeah thats not worth the hassle in my opinion
They look alot like the promaxx 200