Is Intel Dying?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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I asked you guys which CPU you would be buying and y'all overwhelmingly chose AMD over Intel. It got me thinking... when is the last time that Intel genuinely did something exciting? Especially involving CPUs. It feels like they've been on a huge decline for years now. Is Intel dying?
So in this we talk about what is going on with Intel CPUs, their possible future, Intel Arc graphics cards, and Intel's other areas of business to see if that red line on the stock market could start turning green. Other companies like AMD and Nvidia have continued to improve, so what's going on at Intel? Let's Talk
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0:00- Stock market go brrr
0:45- People are buying AMD CPUs over Intel
5:20- Intel seems desperate
6:32- They completely rebranded... why?
9:24- Meteor Lake might be cooking
13:10- More Intel Arc Graphics plz
14:50- Intel does more than just make processors...
16:40- What's goin on at Intel? - Наука та технологія
2:00 I did u dirty Steve, that was a good one
They are focusing more on their foundries.
Even though Intel is messing up right now they will be there for a while and not dying soon. They still have giant market shared in data center and notebook market. But of course they need to act on that. So make them cheap or make them better :D
But I think AMD messed up in the GPU market. They could have collected so much market share if they would have done the releases and prices at a better timing.
Well i suppose its down to Motherboard support. If you look for example. Intel only released for 14th Gen for socket 1700 after a backlash. However now it you want the next gen and i will call it 15th gen then you have to have a new motherboard. Intel tends to not support customers after two years. AMD on the however hand say yes we give you a new processor but you can still use your current one with only a Bios needed maybe. AM3+,AM4 and AM5. You can drop virtually any processor as long your board can support.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
Andrew Marc David.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 watch "Hardware Canucks" preproduction unit review of Zenbook 14 with ULTRA 7 155H. It is the FASTEST video editing machine even ar 25 Watt total SoC power limit and way better than any AMD 4nm/5nm APU.
They set the industry back years sitting on their "break glass when AMD catches us" strategy. Nvidia did the same, the 3080 shoudl've been the 2080. Apple switching to ARM was a hammer blow for them too.
It's kind of Intel's fault they lost Apple. They just sat on their throne too long, and Apple got sick of them not improving, while AMD took the opportunity to overtake them.
Mind you, in order to overtake Intel, AMD focused what little resources they had on making sure Zen would succeed, and kind of sacrificed their graphics division.
And Nvidia haven't sat around like Intel have.
That's how competition works. When they had none they just sat there. Should've been working hard and building their lead
I don't think you can compare them to Nvidia, Nvidia is still innovating despite little competition. Intel sat on their laurels and then AMD walloped them, Intel are struggling to stay competitive (refreshes of refreshes).
I thought it was funny that Intel thought they could still win Apple back after the M2 launch.
"I'm trying to think of a disadvantage to the 7800X3D"
Gotta ask UserBenchMark to make that up, chief
You mean LoserBenchmark
productivity performance isnt too great on the 7800x3d but the gaming performance is top
Its easily way more impressive then any Intel CPU the power draw on them is ridiculous, so is the needed cooling. How can it be that i can use a stock cooler on a 7900 and pretty much get max performance, while intel counterparts need liquid, draw way more power and cost more even when its a dead platform lol
Idle power draw?
@@kanimouI'd say it's still pretty good considering you can multi-task with it plus the 3d cache.
Hope the competition goes on, it's better for everyone that way.
We will always be on the losing side tho, but that is true. More competition between them, lower price. It would be cool having Nvidia making cpu and other pc parts. Maybe Amd could lower their price even more.
@@andredurvaldasilva4188 True, I don't think Nvidia would make CPU tho. 😕
@@bunnygamer4394 They are already making server CPUs, with an emphasis on ‘AI’ acceleration. So who knows?
(Search for Nvidia Grace)
Nvidia is busy enough making arm apus@@bunnygamer4394
@@bunnygamer4394it's in the works but it won't compete directly with desktop gaming/production CPUs.
they did play dirty by forcing vendors here in malaysia to sell less AMD boards (they literally have 1 1/2 of the shelves full of Intel boards while the remaining 1/2 is for AMD boards, so dirty)
and thats is why many people choose intel :P business, nothing personal
Intel always played dirty, they got too confident.
Can you import stuff in Malaysia with zero tax?
Wtf, no wonder it's hard to get AMD stocks here...
@@ghoulbuster1 They play dirty while being dirty themselves, it's ironic really. If only if the same could be done to NvGreedia but only time will tell.
I think Lisa Su deserves a lot of credit, she made a lot of smart moves and turned the company around. I have had AMD chips and Intel chips and I was happy with both brands, I usually try and build the best bang for the buck system with the highest performance I can afford. Supporting AM4 for so long was a great decision, I think this will pay off for AMD long term and a lot of people switched back to AMD because of this move.
Indeed, I was one who had been using Intel CPU's since the '80s ... when a better product comes along you have to take a closer look. I'm now a AMD Ryzen user.
I think in the end their success has been more due to their engineers being more wise problem solvers than Intel's, as well as having a close relationship with TSMC which gives them access to the best node technology.
@@Mr_Spock512 I started off with an Intel 8088, I bought a Intel 386 20mhz, upgraded to Intel 486sx 25mhz, upgraded to a Intel 486 dx2 66mhz, upgraded to a Intel Pentium 2 233mhz, upgraded to AMD Athlon64, upgraded to AMD Athlon 64x2 dual core, upgraded to AMD Phenom II 965 black edition quad core, upgraded to Intel i7 3770K quad core, upgraded to AMD Ryzen 3600 six core, upgraded to AMD Ryzen 5950x 16 core. That is my main rig now. I have a AMD Ryzen 5500 in another system that my kids game on. I never regretted any of those purchases. Competition is good for us consumers.... I was never brand loyal, I just bought what fit my needs best.
i'm glad it's an Asian woman at the top instead of an Asian man like Jensen. Asian men are cold and lack the emotional capacity required to think about what consumers want and giving it to them.
one bad move is amd did not have their own fab, they co develop with tsmc and get back stabbed at the end. pricey lesson
Intel 13/14 in a nutshell:
CPU itself = more expensive
higher power consumption = more expensive
ILM bends heat spreader > custom contact frame = more expensive
hotter > bigger cooler = more expensive
boards = more expensive
short-lived sockets > constantly new MB = more expensive
The MBs themselves are less expensive tho. Obviously if you have to replace them...
Short Intel = profit.
@@drago939393 I assume it depends on where you live. Where I live, both B and Z chipsets are either designed for lower TDP or more expensive than equivalent B650 boards. Only if I want PCIe 5.0 on AM5 do I have to spend the same amount on B650E boards.
Now Intel pulls less power and runs cooler and took this generation walking. The GPUs are another matter.
I mean the boards become more expansive if you insist on upgrading with each generation, and if you have the money to do that then money is not the issue.
The 7800X3D is the 1080 TI of cpus.
100%. People are gonna be talking about this CPU for years to come.
Hell yeah
I can already see Iceberg Tech making a video about it.
@@Fluskar Yup. Just got the 7800X3D and I don't see a reason to upgrade for atleast the next few generations. Also upgraded my motherboard to the strix AMD5 socketed mobo. Huge upgrades.
disagree, the 5800x3D probably has already taken that spot. Not to mention now the 250$, 5700x3D exists
Buy intel stock, thank me later.
Nobody wants to buy your stock.
Buy AMD stock, thank me later.
That's absolutely true. Amd have no foundary. And times where prices will increase for them are comming. They won't be able to compete with Intel.
Ditto. Intel is going to be one of the greatest business comeback stories in history. Buy every dip.
If you have a Microcenter nearby then 7800X3D is unbeatable value, CPU RAM and mobo for $450 USD is really good!
That's definitely a steal
Microcenter: The only reason I wish I lived in the US.
yup! picked this combo up a few days ago, never looking back
@@jernaugurgeh451a lot of people in the US don't have access to a micro center, me included. It's quite sad
@@sherrygreen5129right?!?
There is only one MC in the western US.
I do really like the Intel Arc GPUs. Picked up the Arc A770 and have had no issues with it and it was less than $400. While as if I wanted to go Nvidia or AMD i'd of been spending three times as much where I live. I really hope they continue with it as the gpu market really needs more competition.
Wow, thats messed up. Can I ask where you are roughly, and what you paid?
What is a RTX 4060 and a RX 6700 there?
Look. A cartoon cat. Love it. Did you draw it?
@@visitante-pc5zc In MS Paint, lol
@@Smugly_Watching_Society_Burn its like 800+ for a 6700 XT, and over 500 for a 4060 ti. In Canada. There's a lot of scalpers and our dollar is crap so that adds to it I imagine.
@@Valste19 What's the best computer store to buy from in Canada?
One of the main reasons ive held off upgrading my PC is the fact I have to buy a new motherboard and CPU. If I had an amd system i could just slot a new CPU in
I'm on amd older AM3 socket motherboard with FX 8320 buldozer 8 core cpu and XFX RX 480 and getting ready to upgrade all the way to AM5 socket, it will be a blast!
Intel isn’t dying. I am. (help)
I've got you, fam. I'll put some pennies of your eyelids so you can pay Charon when you derender.
For me, power efficiency is something i factor as GPU's and CPU's make a significant impact on power bills in countries where power isn't cheap. Intel relaxed when it shouldn't have, and will be paying for that for a while.
unless you are running a server 24/7 with your components at 100% load, you would have to be running the pc for years so there is a difference in your powerbill even in denmark,
without taking into account idle power draw, etc.
Realistically, there's no difference, amd draws less power while gaming, while intel draws less power while idling, so they even out.
@@ishiddddd4783 i do not have actual details, but when my friends and I LAN, it freaks me out. The bill does seem to spike.
Our electric company is outrageous and charges a lot.
I agree, i used to not use my computer to game in the summer because it would both heat up the house for like a week and the power bill was so much more. glad i upgraded(it was old) and went for lower end and lower power components when i did, both cheaper and more efficient.
@@ishiddddd4783 Lucky you are in Denmark. I'm not and factually it affects me. hence why I added my caveats. I can see reports of my power usage and the $ impact. Lucky for you you don't need to worry.
@@ishiddddd4783i7-13700K and 14700K draw +60% more power vs the 12700K for 25% better perfomance (something like that).
Processors, like many things today, need to take a break from yearly releases and take 2-4 years to develop something worth upgrading to
I agree, the constant refreshes are dumb.
The consumer market trickles down from the enterprise and there 2-4 years between releases would kill any company that tried it unless they were ridiculously niche. And at the scales we are talking about economically it makes more sense to keep steady cadence when you consider how much lead time and what not actually goes into making chips. So while it's probably not the best thing at the consumer level most people aren't buying every year anyway, easy enough to wait till you get enough uplift (or whatever else) before upgrading.
@nadtz sounds like an easy way to cause confusion and redundancy in the market. There needs to be less bullshit and more value in what we buy. Taking time to develop a worthwhile product to explain the insane pricing we pay would be a bit more comforting. The fact that microcenter has a gpu trade in program says enough
@@brandonl1052 Not sure what you mean? Generally people are either buying whatever is best bang for buck that's newest or they know exactly what they want if they are buying second hand. Not saying I entirely disagree with you but the way everything works it's just not realistic.
@@nadtz I just don't see tue necessity of it. Like the 4080 super. Very little performance gain just drop in price. Yet they have a 4090 with crazy amounts of performance, but couldn't juice up the 4080 a bit more than 5% performance increase l
Intel work on Arc really is worth respect
but i have to agree that their CPU side has been really lacking...
i mean i am myself running Xeon E5-2697v3 on a chinese X99... and really i don't see that masive point of going with anything based on LGA 1200 or LGA 1700 - for what? for jump to DDR5 on LGA 1700 or nothing that big?
no offense intended bro, but like, the 12100f being the 3rd slowest lga1700 based cpu, is already faster than the Xeon gaming wise, so by that standard, there is no point on upgrading for either brand, when they are pretty noticeable jumps.
I went from a 2687v3 to a 13700k and the difference was noticeable even doing day to day tasks, never mind things that took advantage of newer cpu instructions and the like. Totally depends on what you do with your PC how much you will notice it or care, but it's simply not true to say there is no difference in almost 10 years.
@@ishiddddd4783 The i3-12100F is a bit faster than the 2697v3 in most games, but the Xeon is a bit faster in games that benefit a lot from extra cores and cache capacity. The Xeon is also much faster in workstation tasks.
The i3 is way more efficient though - that Xeon uses around 145W, and closer to 300W if you unlock the turbo boost (a common practice for boosting performance on old Xeon CPUs).
But you can get the Xeon with a motherboard and 32GB quad-channel DDR4 RAM (similar total bandwidth to dual-channel DDR5) for $150 total. The i3 with a motherboard and 2x16GB DDR5 costs closer to $300 in total.
@@nadtz " never mind things that took advantage of newer cpu instructions and the like."
The 13700K doesn't support any CPU instructions that the E5-2687v3 doesn't also support. Intel removed AVX512 from Raptor Lake CPUs even though Ice, Tiger and (some) Alder Lake CPUs support it. Xeon E5 v2 doesn't support AVX2, but v3 does.
@@nathangamble125 Fair enough, the 'feel' part still stands though. Having owned and used both the 13700k (DDR5 and pcie 4 probably also help) is by far the 'snappier' CPU for day to day tasks compared to my v3 Xeon.
I think a lot of the Nvidia v Amd story is also about people just realizing that a monopoly is to their disadvantage and people have become better consumers and will pick a competitor because they understand the larger picture at play
When I was a kid you picked your gpu based on the colour of the box green v red and now we actually think it through and look for a deal.......Amd created that, as well as content creators
I mean the i3 12100f is the best budget gaming CPU. The 12400(f) is well priced and widely more available (with cheaper Mobos) than a 7500f and compares favorably. The 12600kf is frequently around $150 US new nowadays, which makes it the unquestionable bang for buck CPU.
@@culo9999for real. My 12600KF is awesome. I love it. And my asrock MB supports all the way through the 14th gen. So... yea I'm good, w/an upgrade path for years to come. So this vid is a little amd favorable. You'll be good w/whatever u choose
I love the idea that AMD is a good deal on gpus. They lack so many features and barely win in rasterization. Whatever you have to tell yourself.
When I was a kid, there were no such things as personal computers. You had to buy a mainframe, or a DEC PDP-1 if you were strapped for cash, to get into computers. 😅
@@GarrettTobyC13they win in rastorization by mile and often come with double the vram. 4060ti 8gb for 400 dollars vs 6800 16gb for 400 dollars. 6800 outperforms by a long shot. 4070 12gb for 550 dollars vs 7800xt 16gb for 500 dollars. 7800xt outperforms by upwards of 10-15%. no one gives a fuck about ray tracing and fsr has almost caught up to dlss. youre just a shill😂
I remember AMD used to have high clock speeds and run extremely hot. How the tables have changed.
Ryzen AM4 was so amazing and consumer friendly in terms of upgrade...I will always support them for that alone never mind the better value ATM
Time will tell if AMD will actually do it again with AM5 as they are not the ones to dictate that alone. Motherboard manufacturers have a clear say in it, too and when those feel like they are getting the short end of the stick things will change.
Either mobos will become expensive to the equivalent of buying 2 ones of the previous gen or AMD will come up with some feature that only works on new boards regardless of its socket. Yes, AMD promises your CPU will work... But they technically never said it will be 100% compatible and be able to leverage all of its features that way.
I bought a Ryzen 5600x at launch and man iam glad choose this one. My 3070 is almost 100% but the cpu chills at 35-60 % utilization. I will never ever be a fan of anythhing anymore, wether of gaming companies or chip makers. from now on i will only buy the best bang for my money.
Exactly, back when I built my bigtime pc in 2011 it was a 2500k and gtx 570 that was best value, my new pc is 5600x and 6700xt as i felt those were best value. There are 2 types of PC consumers, those who want the best of the best, and those who want the best bang for their buck. Ive always been a best for my buck kind of person.
I run a 13900k, and I've had a lot of success capping the TDP in bios. I have my TDP capped to 225 watts, less than HALF what the CPU normally consumes according to your graphs, and I get cinebench scores ABOVE what the default score for a 13900k normally is. I could be doing something wrong or just have been very lucky with my chip, but I think the real issue is just that Intel's automatic throttling is FUBAR. Limit the CPU to where it never needs to throttle, and it will perform significantly better, and as an added bonus you save a ton of power even compared to AMD.
How the turns have tabled.
😂😂😂
there's 1 reason i would buy intel cpu it's video editing there media encoders decoders is just insane and rly powerful that's the only field intel have advantage at(hope amd catch up to this tbh)
beside that no way i would even consider intel at this point unless they have better to offer
Intel Arc a750 in my country cost same as Rx 6600 and performance is better then no point in buying 6600 so its reason 2 for buy Intel GPU performance/cost .
You could also use a dedicated GPU as an encoder
An open-boxed or used RX 6700xt are plentiful below $300, will run circles around the A770 and will be less problematic with drivers and game issues. A 15-30 day warranty is more than enough time for any potential issue to arise. Radeon's mature drivers and trusted gaming experience will be a stark contrast to Arc thru out ownership of the graphics card.
Some of the naming conventions for both Brands are simply confusing.
When I was upgrading a few months ago, I initially wanted to buy a 7800x3d but the x670e motherboard was ALOT more expensive than a z790. So the entire package was more expensive.
End up getting a i7 13700kf and a msi z790-a pro WiFi. No regret what so ever. Works great!
7800x3d you can combine with (sub) 100$ cheap AM5 mobo and it would give you basically same performance as expensive ones while with Intel dont try to combine 14700k or 14900k with under 100$ mobo
Good job buying on a dead socket
If you're the type that doesn't like swapping cpus and prefers to keep a system for 4+ years. thern yeah Intel would still be a viable option. My previous rig was a first gen AMD Ryzen and I didn't upgrade my CPU since I was fins with the current setup. I'm the type who prefers to buy the best I can afford and keep the system the same for 4 years until my next new build.
Sounds like a skill issue. And its weak af.
good job being a toxic moron@@scottngo3826
The problem with Intel stock is it’s mostly related to chipset sales which US policy will effect. The semiconductor competition is high but costs are still higher for marginal if not no benefit for the individual consumer. Server chipsets are also being less productive compared to AMD affecting the chipset value.
I just mounted my new Ryzen 5700X3D from Ryzen 3600. :))) Just buyed a new CPU and placed it in the new motherboard after cleaning all the dust it cumulated in the last 3-4 years. Amazing CPU. I just arrived at 3:50m where you said about intel changing motherboard each CPU :))
Well, considering I just built a system with a 14900 for video rendering, I should be good for a long while. I am still rocking my 9900k for gaming, youtube, Netflix, etc.
Intel still make really strong CPUs, sure Amd might have the better overall platform/tech but they're not really that far ahead in performance. (Power efficiency Amd are quite a bit ahead though)
14900K renders 4K and 8K compression files in mere minutes!
@@iLegionaire3755 14900k is a beast - desktop cpu's nowadays are like what Hedt cpu's were in the past which is pretty epic.
Intel be like "Hold my snake oil".... lol.
Intel can never be killed. It will live forever in our hearts.
Intel core inside
"nuh uh" - A Guy
@@theproffessional9extreme heat outside
"I say let it die, let it die, let it shrivel up and die" - O'hare from The Lorax.
Eww
Hey, speaking about CPUs. Would you like to look into UE5 CPU performance? Here is the thing. I'm playing Banishers, and finished Aveum shortly before. These found out to be my first big UE5 titles. And I am terrified, how bad bottleneck I am having in both titles. Performance drops to the point I consider barely playable (under 60 FPS with bad frame pacing). In both games, the worse locations are when there is a lot of objects on the screen, and a lot of complicated lightning. Looks like there is some significant work to be done by CPU in that cases. Everyone talks about huge GPU requirements of this engine, but GPU load is managable by upscaling, that gives really good effect with this engine, but CPU performance is much harder, if possible, to workaround. My rig is Ryzen 5600X, 32 GB @3733, RTX 3080, and we are talking about 1440p. Cheers man.
I bought a 6600k back when it was the 4 core 4 thread, bang-for-budget chip. I got a great cpu that overclocked to 4.7GHz for many years. I recently had to lazily drop that to 4.6GHz because I didn't want to mess with the voltages I set years ago due to some recent stability issues. That being said, I felt like I was sitting on the sidelines as Ryzen was emerging. As time went on, it just kept improving in a such a customer-friendly way: being able to drop in a new chip in the motherboard you already built on - chef's kiss!
Recently upgraded to AM5 with a 7800x3D after running into some issues on UE5 engine games. Haven't upgraded from my 5700 XT yet, but there was apparently some performance left on the table because the CPU upgrade runs everything faster (not sure how much that is to do with the re-sizable BAR, or Radeon "smart" tech)
The 7800x3d is the new 2500k
Building a PC right now. DAMN I'm glad I went with an AMD 7800x3d. First time AMD user here. Intel seems to be losing its sanity.
You made a wise choice
no he didnt intel is still king for gaming... @@alexmohr1072
For the first time in a long time I don't have an Intel CPU in a PC. My gaming PC has a Ryzen 5 5600X and my office PC has a Ryzen 5 1600AF. I was Intel only for a long time because of the Black Pixel Glitch in Mass Effect, I went from a FX-6300 to a i5-4460. After that I just kind of stuck with Intel as I was, and still am, someone who plays the Mass Effect trilogy at least once a year.
Then a short while back a fix was released to the Black Pixel Glitch which gave me a reason to start eying AMD's offerings again. With that upgrade it was the previously mentioned 1600AF I bought. When I later got the 5600X it was kind of amazing that I could jump generations of CPU and not have to change my motherboard.
My office PC is also all AMD with the GPU being a RX580 2048sp, got it right before AMD dropped driver support, which is proving to be a great upgrade over the GTX 970 that was in it previously.
AMD at least pretend that they care about their customer base.
Tiles and Chiplets are made differently despite serving much or less the same purposes. One uses infinity fabric ( less heat density, worse latency...etc ) and one uses EMIB ( more heat density and better latency )
I want more amd options in laptops, seems like intel has a hold over that market. This will also lead to more competition which is good for us.
Intel and Nvidia's partnership with gaming laptop brands
Intel in the past and probably today runs a scorched earth anti competitive policy so if the laptop maker offers AMD, no Intel parts will be sold to them...
@@systemBuilder I've heard they still do but it's getting harder for Intel to keep that up when AMD is kind of giving them a kicking right now. Wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing more AMD gaming/creator laptops soon.
You gotta search for those AMD laptops, they are the treasure from the pile of trash that is Intel.
I don't think Intel has a hold over this market, it just looks like AMD gave up the low-end gaming laptop market (I can't find a significant amount of current gen Ryzen 5 where I live, they literally did what Nvidia did on the desktop GPU market: destroying the low-end offers) so it's just full of laptops with Intel i5 CPUs.
AMD is currently trying to sell only Ryzen 7 CPUs (whether it's the 6800H, 7735HS, 7840HS) and focuses on releasing and selling its APUs (especially those with the Radeon 780M which are, unfortunately, at a pricepoint which is WAY too high since we get budget 1650 laptops for 500€ or even less now, and which are more powerful and less bound to the need of SO-DIMM DDR5-6000, for which you'll spend an additional 300USD/250€ for 32GB when the Radeon 780M laptop itself is already 1k USD/1k€, excluding any dGPU).
The Ultrabook market looks kinda fine for targetting with these APUs but tbh you won't buy them for gaming so I won't compare them with proper gaming laptops. And again, the only thing to point out here is the lack of budget offers with Ryzen 5 + Radeon 680M/760M or anything like that (only ones I could find are 1k€ too), so it really looks like AMD gave up in the low-end/budget market.
Also, AMD doesn't really care about gaming laptop GPUs as well since nobody will ever see them outside of the US... Most of Europe only got 7600S laptops and their pricepoint is in 4070 Laptop territory (1200+€) while its performance is just right inbetween 3060 Laptop and 4060 Laptop (4060 laptops can be seen at 900€, and 3060 laptops are either OOS for brand new ones or going on the used market for less than 750€).
And this shows, once again, that AMD gave up or doesn't care about the budget gaming laptop market.
idk but for most mid-range gamers i3 12100F is still budget cpu king when it comes price to performance. And power efficiency for higher end cpus like i9 is not rly a problem bc well, if your pc costs like 4k-6k, is money limiting you from buying 1000W psu or high end cooler?
I got i7-13700KF and RTX 4080 and well 750W PSU is enough. Cooler is just cheap Arcitc Liquid Freezer II (for AIO its actually cheap) with Phanteks M25 fans (replaced). Idk about i3 but I had i5-12400F and its amazing CPU and very cold, eats 64W max even in stress test (no limit in bios)
Looking into building my wife a computer for work. I was shocked at i3s being cheaper than amd's counter part.
Since all she needs to do is make a few PowerPoints there's no reason to put anything in it. Even an i3 feels like overkill.
@@backlogbuddies even i3 10100 would do you well if its only for work.
My last intel based computer was an i7 2600qm in the asus g74 laptop i bought in 2012. My ryzen 1600x is still going strong, but plan to upgrade to the 8600x when it comes out later this year.
I didn't catch the which brand do you buy poll. But for the time of writing and where I live for the LOW end Intel wins by a mile. Like the i3 12000F is like one of the best value chips out there for budget gaming. I recommended it to one of my friends looking to do heavy modding on his PC and he is as surprised as me on how well it handles it.
and what's cool you can upgrade it later for i7-14700K which is best Intel CPU for gaming right now, it even support DDR4 so you dont need to buy new ram, but idk why people forgetting about it always. Such upgrade would close CPU question for 4-5 years
@@AleksCoreBY DDR4 can limit the performance of an i7-14700K in a lot of games though.
I3 12kf haha come on already beaten by 2200g ryzen long ago...cpu to cpu who can run aaa games w/ out gpu lol😆😆😄😄 ...
@@zilentangelzero7 Have you checked any reviews at all or are you just a hater? I love AMD for what they are doing but for the low end there is literally no competition to that i3. multiple reviews show that it is better on average than a 5600G in gaming and slightly worse in heavily multithreaded games. And don't tell me you are buying a ryzen 3 or even a 5600G for editing and such it's just bullsh
@@g4md0r32 your just a hater hahah lol it hurts the most can i3 is the best value lol can even run aaa games w/ out gpu your just guesing in speed but nut on over all performance...+ Price/value wort if wort price of i3 12gen i beter by 7 2700x 😆😆😆more cheaper more cores more treads...and you telling i3 beat 5600g joking....on what hahaha i think itel win..on high price..
LGA 1700 - 2 real gens, 14th was a ghost gen
LGA 1200 - 1 real gen, 11th was a ghost gen
LGA1151-2 - 1 real gen, except by the i9 the 9th gen was a ghost gen
3 sockets in 7 years (15th gen will use a new 800 chipset), 4 gens, for a whopping avarage of 1,33 gens per socket
Honestly I don’t even care that much but if they really choose to go through with this name change I’m not buying. Like it isn’t already hard enough to differentiate a cpu.
The whole motherboard "problem" is so over blown most people keep their cpus for 5+ years and by time you would looking into upgrading your pc completely.
My last Intel CPU was a 3770K. Went 2nd gen Ryzen, currently on a 5800X. No intention to buy Intel again anytime soon.
Will be curious to see how Qualcomm and Windows on ARM starts mixing things up this year.
Intel doesn't only have CPU , very hard to to go down for real if they have a diverse range of products. They make a lot of NIC (network interface connectors) and flash memory.
I’m really impressed with Intel Arc - bad initial drivers aside, for a first generation GPU it’s really surprising.
I picked up a secondhand Asrock Chellenger A750 the other day for £155 (new MSRP £229), just to check it out for curiosity’s sake, and found that I can play a lot of games at 4K @ 60fps (I don’t play competitive multiplayer and my monitor is 60Hz, so higher framerates are not important to me).
Those games that struggled at 4K ran okay at 1440p, though a few outliers needed reduced settings, like the very demanding Alan Wake 2.
A game having XESS really helped - that technology is not far off DLSS in terms of quality, and far better than AND’s FSR.
I tried about 20 different games of varying ages and only one crashed - Forza Horizon 3, which couldn’t get past the initial launcher.
If I was on a budget I would definitely consider an Arc A750. (I have been using an RX6800 for the past year, but just picked up a ‘cheap’ 4070 Super in a flash sale with 10% off)
The Arc A750 *isn't* a first generation GPU.
It's 2nd generation Xe. First generation was for integrated GPUs, and "Intel Iris DG1", which was a relatively obscure and platform-locked graphics card, but it did exist.
@@nathangamble125 - oh yes, I forgot about the DG1. It wasn’t mainstream retail though, like the Arc. I also forgot to mention the main downside of the Intel GPUs, which is their power draw - not crazy high but significantly worse than the others in its class.
Intel is not new in GPU word. They have at least something like 20 years experience with it. Arc is their third attempt at discrete gpu.
@@arenzricodexd4409 If I was being pedantic, I could argue that Alchemist IS the first generation of Intel Arc - I didn’t actually state it was Intel’s first GPU. 😉
Last upgrade cycle I went Intel. I actually am a guy who had only owned amd CPUs for my personal systems since the late 90s. In December when I put this new system together the cost of the total package was what came into play.
For example I grabbed an i5 12600kf for $140, a z690 board for about 100, and 32gb ddr4 for around 50. It does look like amd is catching up on cost a little but I have no complaints on the i5 and can still upgrade to any 13th or 14th generation cpu. He talks about the cooler, but I’m running a Thermalright peerless assassin 120 se, and that should be able to cool most CPUs except maybe an i9 perhaps.
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My CPU got toasted from 4th gen intel and I didn't bother a couple of years ago because the price made no sense to me. On release it was 350 and 8 years later it is still 250 and above!
I looked for a newer gen but the hard truth was it only fits 2 gens as you said.
4th & 5th at best.
What do I do now? All part are quite capable and just a year before I upgraded the AIO coolant!
I waited and now it is below 120. Just waiting for its arrival to revive my PC!
WTF? Why not just buy a CPU second-hand for about $30?
What
@@nathangamble125 Nah, not guranteeing that second hand. Thank you though.
@@BoogersAndMilk What what?
@@Hamdoon5005 "What what" nothing, you said "what" first.
Some corrections about those chiplets: Ryzen was just announced in 2016, it came out in 2017. And the first two Ryzen generations did *not* use chiplets. Multiple dies per CPU were introduced with the first generation of Threadripper, but that was just combining multiple dies of the same type, which was actually done by Intel first all the way back for Pentium D processors. The proper introduction of chiplets in the way of a separate I/O die was with Zen 2 and Ryzen 3000 in 2019.Core 2 Quad
If good AM5 motherboards weren't overpriced I'd be on it... My 13600k might be my last Intel build if they figure out that no one use gen 5 m.2 nvmes and if an 8c16t option isn't over 250 bucks which probably won't happen. I had a lot of bad experiences with my Ryzen 2600/B350 build, ram issues, bios issues, fan controllers not doing what it should etc. All my Intel builds just work, my 2*24 non-binary ram can OC from 6400 to 7200 with no issues, something I imagine is a headache on AM5.
Edit 1: TSMC has a manufacturing plant in AZ as well btw.
The first time you upgrade COUs on the same motherboard you'll save 2hours and your motherboard cost per generation will be cut in half!
@@systemBuilder I tried that with my B350 board, bought a 5800X and it just had a mountain of problems. Multiple days of troubleshooting until I borrowed a B550 board and everything just worked. Probably a small percentage of people experience that but no one mentions that risk with the "future proofing" argument. Also B350 wasn't immediately included in the AGESA update either.
What brand of mobo?
@@ghoulbuster1 msi tomahawk
i did something similar and had nothing but problems, ended up buying a new b550. So this future proof argument seems absurd
Its tsmc + amd vs intel. Kinda unfair.. 😕
Intel is also using TSMC for their products
Intel uses tsmc for some of their products. Due to a bill that was passed in the 00s they're limited on what products can go to tsmc because of national security.
This is why arc is tsmc but not their CPUs m
@@backlogbuddies Lunar lake CPU tile is on TSMC N3B
they only do that so amd can';t buy as much capacity its a strategy @@thevaultsup
Have no regrets after switching from 6700K to 2700X. Even at this moment, dont rly need new CPU, mine is still fine, but soon, will be upgrading to a new monitor, like huge step up in panel speed comparing to current one of mine, so i might consider buying 5700X3D. Good thing there is no need to buy new mobo and RAM. And probably i'll be fine with 2700X's box cooler, but if someone just upgraded from 2700X to 5700X3D, whats your temps and what cooling u did/do use? Could be usefull info for me :D
Can you revist the intel arc GPUs soon?
I mean, they have 65% of the market on Steam from the last survey (but it's decreasing quite quickly). And they probably have something in the works that could compete with the Ryzen 7000 and 9000 series, maybe? Only time will tell.
I suspect this is more that people just run the same parts for like 6 to 8 years still using their 1060s for example. AMD ryzens rise to the top is fairly recent before that they were a complete joke compared to Intel. It's catching up now though as Ryzen CPUs have much higher sales over Intel.
@@Bargate I completely agree with you about people using old parts (I'm still using a 7th Gen Intel myself). But eventually, Ryzen will probably surpass Intel in market share if they don't do something quick. I'm probably gonna get Ryzen soon for a new PC build anyway.
What a lot of people also fail to consider with the steam HW charts is that you can have steam installed on an old junk laptop (which let's be real will 95% likely be an intel based one) just to play more basic/casual games or using in-home streaming via steam link. This will skew the results quite a lot as it still counts for the HW survey even though they're in no way gaming oriented machines. And I have to admit, I'm part of the problem having steam installed on my 10 year old thinkpad T530 for the dozen or so games that run on it's potato-grade iGPU
I've always had Intel. The last PC I built was Intel back in 2020 because I forgot in that moment of shopping that AMD even existed. That says a lot about their marketing.
But, for my newest gaming pc I remembered and said screw it and bought a 7950X3D to go with my 4090. Because I wanted the best gaming PC money could buy and I think that processor is the one to have if you want to game like no other.
I'm a bit worried about the reliability of AMD. Never had any problems with Intel. Those things work reliable forever. Back in the day AMD was pretty much bankrupt before they gave it one last try and worked their way up to a good level again.
@@PaintrainX That is another reason why I've always had Intel. They've never done me wrong. I still have a PC in my closet with a Pentium II. But, as I said, I wanted the best gaming CPU this time around and arguments can be made for Intel's top CPU's, but the 128mb of L3 cache on the 7950X3D can make a good enough difference in games when paired with the 4090. If I wasn't just in it for gaming, I'd have gone with intel's top processor. But, gaming is all the PC is for, so I'm taking the chance that the AMD will last. I didn't see any negative reviews of it failing early in life.
@@PaintrainX The last AMD CPU that died on me was a FX-6100 faildozer. And that *might've* had something to do with me holding a blowtorch to that hateful thing 😬
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I dunno man, I might have to blame that on AMD. 🔥🔥
what browser he using?
Can u do a video on computer part reliability? I spent thousands building my pc in 2020 and now a lil over 3 years later my pc has spent more time waiting for RMA replacement parts than it has been working. I’ve gone through 2 motherboards, 3 3090, 1 liquid cooler, 1 set of ram and 1 M.2.
These numbers represent how many have died inside my pc.
I’m tired of replacing parts and I just want my pc to work and let me have my fun. Currently I’m waiting on Adorama to send me a new motherboard I bought back in November and they r taking their sweet time sending it out
You probably need better cooling or better power supply. Also modern GPUs have rather bad temp control, you should put manual rpm control graphs. Overclocking is also a problem, don't overclock your 3090, or your ram, overclocking will brick your parts. I know overclocking is "all the rage" nowadays .... but just don't do it. Also you should have a separate SSD for your OS and for gaming. Otherwise if you use only 1 SSD, the load is too high. Also you should keep an eye on your SSD temps, too high temps will destroy your M.2. SSD. Just recently I bought a heatsink for one of my M.2 SSDs, because it's temps sometimes were getting above 70C . With the heatsink it does not go above 40C...
They've been doing such a fantastic job with the Arc cards, wish that also applied to their CPU department
we will see what 15 and 16 gen will bring, however I find even 14gen still really good, as well as 12 and 13 and actually all previous
You all got this wrong. Intel architecture runs circles around AMD. Intel is still at 10 nm+++++ while AMD has two nodes advantage. The fact that Intel is still comparable to AMD speaks volumes at how good their architecture is.
What is the issue with Intel is that they are paying technological debt. They did not invested in technology for a while and now is the time when this lack of investment shows. However, Intel is successfully moving with all of its plans from latest presentation which I heard. They are delivering on all of their new technologies. It will take time before they are competitive again in the market.
I think that it is time to invest in Intel. The problem is that Nvidia, AMD are riding hype waves right now. You are guaranteed more short term gain, but at the same time, you can experience rapid loss of value as those bubbles burst. I'm not one who like to chase trends. I wanted to invest into Nvidia after crypto crash, but oh boy. New bubble came in so fast... And I believe this might be the last bubble for them either.
Exactly, 10nm they need to have like 4-5 nm and that would help reduce power consumption with Intel Cpus. Last black friday I went with the 7800x3d system rather than intel....but I always have respect for intel for orginating these cpus and that they are trying to build their own foundrys instead of TSMC...which I respect.... not wise to be too overly dependant on Asia. It's too bad Motorola died off...in the 80-90s they were one big competitor to intel..... maybe the PowerPC cpu killed the 68k....where they could have kept developing more versions of it... like how 80386 to Pentium to i cores..etc ...
@@cybernit3 Intel is already on 5nm with Meteor lake. Didn't do anything special, did so poorly Intel canned desktop version and rebagded raptor lake instead. Also Intel's former 10nm is same class node as TSMC 7nm. Similar density, gate dimensions etc.
Lol, boy is salty , even after all these disastrous cpu releases and shares tanking , this salty boy just wants Intel .
Intel runs circles around heaters , get that straight boy.
Only way your beloved Intel survive is to go into heating business , keep the salt flowing boy
@@skywalker1991You seem triggered by my post.
@@kognak6640 Nanometers refer to gate and metal pitches. The smaller it is, the smaller the process node. While it is true that merely having smaller node doesn't mean it is better. Samsung 8 nm was terrible. TSCM 3 nm is terrible. However, they still present performance gains and are better than more mature older generation nodes.
Intel is known to manipulate this. Intel 7 is just 10 nm. Intel 4 is 7 nm process. It is used for Meteor lake. It is still one node disadvantage for Intel. 7-8 nm are so last gen. It was RTX 3000 series tech. Nowadays everyone is doing 5 nm. Except for really cool kids like Apple who have their beastly Bionic chips with 3 nm. So, Intel is still at 2 nodes disadvantage versus the cutting edge. It is no wonder that Meteor lake doesn't dominate. Neither it was supposed to dominate. It was always intended to redesign the architecture around tiles and to vastly reduce power delivery via more advanced IO layer.
Having things as Chiplets has the benefit of letting you get far more yield out of a single wafer because chiplets of various core counts can be more easily mixed and matched to reduce waste. When it comes to new CPUs on the latest process nodes, that is actually a huge savings.
After the release of Intel ARC gpus, I dont think Intel is dying any time soon
I'm buying Intel weekly now. Everything will change when their new fabs go into production. Intel got complacent when ASML tried pitching their EUV process, and so ASML pitched it to TSMC and they snatched it right up. But the rolls have now reversed. ASML pitched their new High Numerical Aperture (HNA) EUV process to TSMC and this time TSMC is complacent, and Intel snatched it up instead. Basically, Intel's fabs will be at least a generation ahead of TSMC come 2025.
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Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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I got the 7800x3d for $350. It was a no brainer as the 14600k was selling for $355 at that time.
Isn't Intel's biggest problem that its semiconductor process lags behind TSMC?
10nm VS 5nm....，how?
@@hhhuttube You can't compare NM between different companies, intel's 10nm is about equivilent to TSMC's 7NM
@@Frashsibithow does that work? Please explain
I don't think the motherboard argument is valid. Personally, I've never upgraded a computer component less than 3 generations old (my previous CPU was 8 generations old by the time I upgraded), nor do I know anyone else who has either short of something failing. Unless I were to build a computer at the very start of a new socket and upgrade very early by my own standards, it's very unlikely I would ever be able to re-use the same motherboard regardless of which brand I went with, so it's not something I take into consideration when choosing.
I remember I was going for a 13700K because I'm a huge Intel guy, but almost 300W and a water cooler needed to get [almost] all of its potential is a big red flag for me. I live in a warm country, and there's no way I buy a new A/C unit just because of my CPU. I went for a 7900X instead, and boy I'm happy. My last AMD prior to this was a K6-II @ 266 MHz lol.
every pc ive built for a friend is amd.. i built a 5700x a 5800x3d and a 7700x for my homies, i got a 9900k. still good for the games i play, when i upgrade i might go amd unless micro center has crazy deal on some intel combo
This video is so on time. I had a 1150 socket board die yesterday, there are no reasonable replacement boards and now I have a CPU that still sells on market for $400 that I can't find a board for.
1150 and $400 CPU? That's Haswell, ie 4th gen. You'd be lucky if you can still sell that CPU for $40
The only reason i got something Intel recently was i was getting a 14" laptop last summer and Lenovo had a 64% off sale on an Intel i5 12500H laptop so it was too good to pass up at that price.
For my personal new 16" laptop i specifically got one with the AMD 7840HS CPU for the performance, battery life and iGPU.
Hp pavilion Plus 14 (68 Wh) with #AMD 7840U has 10 to 11 hours of BATTERY.
Hp spectre x360 14 (68 Wh) with #Intel Core ULTRA 7 155H has 14 to 15 hours of BATTERY. 😱
Intel laptops BATTERY life is as good as MacBook M2/M3 even though Intel is using Tiles/Chiplet.
Impressive🤯
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Everything you just said has nothing to do with why AMD stocks are higher than Intel right now. AMD is heavy into AI. Intel not so much right now. It is also why Nvidia is going to the moon in stocks
You know this is all inflated money, when the stock market will crash , all this inflated dollar 💵 will come crashing like a mud slide , crashing the entire tech industry and fiat currency.
Am5 is buggy still, and in some games with amd gpus u might experiance perf issues. Hub themselves showed this issue in warzone with 7800x3d and 7900xtx while the perf still was there with a 4090 or intel with either amd gpu or nvidia gpu. I am a warzone player so I got rid of mine 7800x3d infavour of an 12700k and the perf is higher. 270 fps vs 180-200.
its actually pleasure to hear for me as for a fan of Intel and user of 13700K. But ye if forget about fanboism, 7800X3D still amazing CPU and it is for sure better than i7 in some other games, but in other games i7 is better. So in my opinion there's no absolute winner. BTW I dont understand why people say Intel eat much power, all I see is 100-120W in games and literally 10W while I'm writing this comment here on YT. Same I can tell for temps. 50-60C games, 80-90C stress test
Other reviewers Warzone performance was significantly better, not sure what happen with HUB Warzone results. I have AM5 7950x system, I not experience bugs. 7800x3D performance 4% better than 13900k average 1440p and 10% better than 14900k average 1080p according to HUB results also $320 less in country I live. If I buy gaming processor I would buy 7800x3D.
It's just years of stagnation on Intels part where we got 5% here and there, MAYBE 10%. Refreshes with so many +s behind the nodes it became a joke. Then AMD gave us more cores at a better value and people went with it. Zen has also aged like fine wine and Intel now needs to actually innovate and try to push their products on top of deal with the longevity the AMD boards are giving us as AMD just keeps putting products out for both AM5 and AM4. AMD really pushed the concept of marketing for everyone but kept it simple and sustainable.
What I see is that the GPU will become as important as the CPU for INTEL. What I mean is that you can buy a value GPU half the price than equivalent of AMD/Nvidia GPU but to get the best out of the INTEL GPU you want the INTEL CPU also. It is already true with the Alchemist and next step will be 14th gen with APO that gives 10-50% gain when paired with INTEL GPU. So come Battlemage I see the gap widen to make the CPU almost a must to be INTEL with ARC. So what this does when you are looking for a new build and you can get a saving half of the GPU price if you choose INTEL as your platform. In overall cost that can be a lot of money but INTEL CPU sales will have a good boost. So how I see the ARC it is a marketing tool for CPU sales and INTEL platform motherboards. I can definitely see something cooking. Celestial end of 2024 or 2025 maybe before Nvidia 50 series would challenge 4090. And Druid might level the performance with the 50 series. I think INTEL has few aces in their sleeve and instead of selling a CPU you will also buy a GPU and motherboard. INTEL seems to have taken a different path that will take a bit more time.
Its because of Ryzen 9000 Series. Its gonna be crazy cuz 50% updraft
Also its like 7000 also being powerful
no it won’t
You listen to much to RedGamingTech and Gamer Meld, leak utuber 99% time wrong.
Intel is just funny to me they lost me as a costumer after the snake oil shit.
As someone that works at a computer store I can say that despite a major shift towards AMD for DIY builders, there are still a lot of customers who want PCs built for them that demand Intel. They’re almost always buying nag the top end of the market (i.e. 14900K)
There's effectively no difference in the naming, contrary to all the tech news slamming it. It's a number reset like we get every decade or so, but other than that it's actually perfect.
The "Core Ultra" series CPUs are their AI line, extra AI accelerators but otherwise equivalent to the non-ultra chips of the same number, hence why they have that distinction instead of a higher number. The Generation/SKU stuff is at the end (eg 165 is gen 1 of the new name, sku 65 which higher number=better CPU). The i is gone, but it was litterally meaningless and now it's just 9 intead of i9.
Now intel has been very poor at explaining the new terms. Figuring out that "ultra" means "AI" is something I've literally had to do via youtube comments, but once you know what all the pieces mean it makes sense and there's nothing misleading about it, at least so far.
The truth is Intel sucks nowadays
The truth is every high end pc has Intel and Nvidia
I mean there's a reason why Steam Deck, PS5 and Xbox use AMD APU's. Cheap for higher profit and powerful at the same time.
They need to release consumer GPU's supporting SRIOV, so we can divide and share this GPU among various VMs, without licensing. Their Flex series already supports this, but the price is rediculous about 2800 dollar.
I like that you show clips from other UA-camrs.
Cheers, don't know if you get this comment a lot or not at all, but sometimes when I have a video of you running in the background and the Hollow Knight music starts playing, I think for a moment I'm watching a fireborn video, your voices really are kinda similar 😅. Like the contents of both of you, keep it up :)
I do have an Intel Arc 770 16GB (from Sparkle) in my second PC btw. Not doing much with it currently, but the few games I played with it ran without any issues and I'm all in for Intel to give Nvidia and AMD some competition here!
If you’re near a Microcenter they have a bundle with 7800x3d, gigabyte B650, and 32gb kit of G Skill for less than $450 currently.
I am blown away after seeing that Vex is not subscribed to Gamers Nexus.
I think the only advantage of having intel is for slim lower budget laptop when it came to productivity since from what I know Quicksync is really good for video stuff. But if you want a budget slim laptop for pretty standard work that still do good at gaming AMD CPU with their APU is honestly kinda cracked. The APU for Ryzen 5 5600H, 6600H, and the 7535HS which available on budget laptops are powerful enough to run a lot of games and you probably will only struggle at those new post 2019 or 2020 AAA titles where they eat a lot of VRAM and generally very heavy.
I hope Intel gets their act together because competition is good.
For me, the best thing about Intel in the past was that, despite their graphics chips being very basic, the linux support was perfect, but since that is such a small market it just doesn't mean much.
The DIY market is relatively small; it's OEMs who decide what CPUs they will put in their boxes.
THIS
Ben going for team red for about 10 years now. Haven't regretted it for a single day.
to answer your question regarding Intel renaming their chips:
it's the exact same reasoning behind them renaming their process node branding, Intel has fallen off the face of the earth in terms of being a cutting edge microprocessor manufacturer, so in order to deflect away any potential comparisons between how they make silicon and how TSMC makes silicon, they rebranded their archaic '10nm manufacturing process' to 'Intel 7' likely to try and save face in front of investors when looking at the comparisons of their competitors and why they were so far behind them.
same principle here, their desktop CPUs haven't been anything 'new' since the '10th gen' chips they made, their current lineup of desktop processors is just the old '10th gen' monolithic CPUs and their 'power efficient' laptop CPUs fused together in a fashion trying to copy the chiplet design of Ryzen to make the '12th gen' chips, then instead of innovating and making new chips, they took golden samples of their 12th gen silicon, factory tuned them and called them '13th gen', while also bolting on a few more 'e-cores' to some models and calling it good, then in a desperate attempt to keep customers they took some golden samples of that '13th gen' gave them a factory overclock of a couple hundred MHz and called them '14th gen' aka 'a waste of sand'.
Intel has proven now on multiple occasions that they are incapable of keeping up with TSMC and AMD in terms of designing new chips and manufacturing new chips, to the point where TSMC and Samsung are the only chip makers in the world with some of the latest lithography machines, they weren't offered to Intel because they don't have the technical knowhow to make use of them.
everything Intel has done in the last 5-6 years at this point is try to shout as loud as possible about how 'bad' AMD products are hoping people don't notice just how utterly shit the Intel offerings truly are and trying everything possible to distract and deflect when challenged on it.
I actually wanted to put and Intel Arc GPU in the PC I'm building for GIS/Programming/Machine Learning tasks, but the software that I use requires NVIDIA architecture, and I am sad.
Early indications for the MSI claw show it losing to the Ally while using more power … efficiency is king for a handheld imho and this perfectly sums up Intels current predicament, if they can only match performance while doubling or tripling the power use they don’t have a chance long term.
The other one, is AMD are looking to maybe add half the CCXs as compact and half as normal cores. You get 8 normal cores on one CCX or 16 compact cores. Now the space where they want this, is the data centre and the supercomputers, High Performance Computing. It also has some degree of benefit in mobile, where power efficiency and low power use is the winning factor.
AMD are not going away from hyper-threading.
Intel are looking to have a package with (let's say) 4 high performance cores and 12 or 16 efficiency cores. They are dropping hyper-threading. Nobody has given a really good reason for this but I think it has to do with side-channel exploits like Spectre and MeltDown. The degree of scaling you get from hyperthreading is not perfect. So if you have 4 cores & 8 threads, you don't get the full double-up in performance, because those 8 threads are sharing 4 real physical cores, but you do get maybe a 50% improvement.
But I think you also get a potential security threat. I think the engineers at Intel have said 'We can design it so there's no way to exploit it currently known, but we can't promise that no one will think of a way to exploit it in 5 years. This is very much like speculative out-of-order execution. Nobody could see a weakness in that when we came up with it, but 10 years down the track, it opens a huge hole in our security, and while we can block that to some extent with microcode & operating system fixes, it can't really be fixed. We think, as long as hyperthreading is there, there's potential for the same thing to happen again. Now if we got a 2x performance increase from it, we'd take that risk, but the scaling is about 1.5x at best, usually less than that. So ~ to make the cores smaller and simpler, (and cheaper) simply remove all the stuff for hyperthreading. Add more 'efficiency' cores.
They are both moving in the same general direction, but they way they're going about it, is quite different.
I would tend to back what AMD is doing, It does seem more logical and measured and consistent.
I am very keen to see how AMD does in terms of latency, specifically ccx -> ccx latency when Zen 5 lands. This stuff was a big deal with AMD when Zen first arrived, but with each new generation of Zen, they seem to have improved it, and while I am hearing wildly conflicting things about the IPC and overall performance of Zen 5, the question of ccx ~ ccx latency and Infinity Fabric efficiency, is large.
If I had to chose to *BE* AMD or *BE* Intel at this moment, I'd very much rather be AMD. Both face some challenges, but I think AMD are in a much better overall place.
Personally, as a customer not an analyst ~ as a Linux nerd and not really a gamer, I'm on an old i7-6700, and I'm looking at a Zen 5 R9 with 16c & 32t and I'm licking my lips. I'm itching to get my hands on one. This is going to be a HUGE performance increase. I don't even know how huge yet, but it's going to be big.
They have a lot of government contracts as well… I work for DOD and witness this firsthand … some of the projects are not well documented due to security reasons
I've been saying for a long time that CPU models need no more than 3 digits until 10+ gens. This seems to be the one good thing they're doing with their new naming scheme.
More competition = better for the costumer, i'm kinda excited
Both Intel and AMD are making some of the greatest hardware. There was a dip in a stock value for intel, but they are still growing, while staying competitive. All these new fabs and contracts with partners as big as NVIDIA are going to make them a lot of money in the future
I’d say the 14600k is most likely as good as the 7800x3d in gaming and the 14600k is 15 to 20% cheaper. So that is what I would buy. The z690 intel chipset is on its 3rd generation of CPUs.
This battle can turn out in one of two ways. Either Intel will adapt to better fight AMD to give themselves more advantages (this is what Im hoping for), or AMD will do what Intel did and become complacent. Im hoping they both straighten out and better themselves
It break my heart that gamers out there do not have access to microcenter whether you are team blue or team red. I got a 7800x3d, mobo, and ram for for 450 dollars
I am not an Intel fan, but we need them for competition.
Intel will never die because of their diversified business model, they have a huge amount of capital with highly skilled analyst's that invest it in the market as well as commercial startups that market research shows a high demand for. Intel is the last CPU manufacturer that owns it's own chip manufacturing facilities rather than using a chip foundry like TSMC. Chip manufacturing plants require billions of dollars in investment to be on a competitive manufacturing level in the smaller architectures. That is why AMD shut down all their FAB's and now contracts with TSMC to build their chip designs for them. Intel has developed and actually manufactured silicon based lasers and had developed most of the architecture necessary to create optical CPU's before I left the company in 2009. They had already started working with the IEEE to standardize architecture specifications for optical motherboards back then as well. I am surprised that Intel has not yet started manufacturing them for the commercial market by now. I guess switching from CEO's with engineering backgrounds to business majors has hurt them more than I thought it would.