Payday 3's 2020 Build Was LEAKED...
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- In an unexpected turn of events, an early build for Payday 3 dated back in 2020 got leaked online last week, and in the days following it spread like wildfire. Today, Starbreeze played the build on a livestream in an attempt to clear the air and discuss why some people think it has better features than the live game...
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Intro
00:41 Context: What IS This Build?
02:36 Why Are Starbreeze Acknowledging It?
03:43 It Has A Server Browser...
04:11 The 2020 Build Has Offline Mode!
05:25 Locke Was The Original Handler?
06:35 Using Payday 2's Armour
07:39 Starbreeze's Secret Motive
08:53 Extra Comments
09:18 Mio Discusses Payday 3 Being Too Easy
10:27 Conclusion
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I'd just like to apologise for not showing Jewellery Store in this video when it's in the thumbnail - for context, they ported that map into Payday 3's 2020 build but did nothing with it. It's literally identical bar a couple of polygon civvies and a helicopter frozen in the sky lmao
What do you think about this build getting leaked?
Someone already ported jewlery store and first world bank to a payday 3 map, its a mod. Looked the exact same, so maybe it was leaked 5 months ago
the armor systems is rather obvious, not that id accuse a content creator of having deductive reasoning. the old armor system gave playing a safety net that gave them as much time to NOT doing heisting in the heist. Since their were no consequence for running around for 30 minuets letting the adderall your snorted before hand wear off and that vastly bloated just how much time it could take to get a heist done. again neither player nor developer had any incentive to actually proactively complete a heist as they had a safety net that would last forever.
You should be able to zip tie doors in payday 3 to delay the cops.
Ooooh I like that idea
Have it delay cops but in return have it bring in an enemy with a battering ram 😂
@@KarlDelaney99 That would be sick asf
@@KarlDelaney99 or just have a dozer truck through it
@@hypnosive That would be a good idea too but maybe a bit too op at the start lol
now we can plot what went wrong
Deep silver
That's what happened
I'm betting everything that it was them just look at the saints row reboot too
@@TheSpaceCowboy06
I bet it was Overkill. They showed time and time again with PD2 that they can't read the room and that they are incompetent.
@@TheSpaceCowboy06 100% i think deep silver are just as culpable, if you know what happened behind the scenes with saints row and largely volition studios then you can get a broad idea that DS is difficult to work with.
@@TheSpaceCowboy06 it was overkill, the leadership at overkill is incredibly incompetent. They made 2 dead games and invested in making a engine that was dead on arrival and its not the devs fault its the incompetent leadership forcing them to do tough choices and waste time and money.
The drill management mechanics sound fuckin awesome honestly. In the stream, Mio mentioned that the drill would overheat faster or slower depending on the material being drilled, and I think that sounds super cool.
I'm really confused why their internal testers responded negatively to it. Sure, if you had to babysit EVERY drill like this, it would probably feel tedious, but Mio mentioned that if they bring this mechanic back, it would probably be for a special drill in a specific heist. Like, babysitting the special drill would be the gimmick of that heist, which I think sounds like a great idea.
Like maybe for basic reinforced doors and locks a simple drill would be fine, but for cases for a Thermal drill is needed, the overheat mechanic could be really interesting!
I could assume because of pub play. Considering how stupid pub players are and how much they mess up, we don’t need more things to make playing pubs a nightmare.
If you think about PD3's design, it's not that far out of reason why internal testers didn't like it. PD3 had a dramatic shift away from "babysitting" objectives, and making sure that if you do have to do one, it's more interactive than just sitting and waiting. So this mechanic was probably seen as too weak, too little, or not engaging enough when the players could just let it run and go shoot enemies the whole time. It's also possible that the material vs. cool/heat system was too obtuse for the average player to understand. I don't think it's that far-fetched why internal testers didn't like it based on the product we got nowadays. However, I DO think it's a cool mechanic, and just having the option to do it would be really interesting.
All of these drill mechanics are the one thing that I wanted
Something that changed the drill from a timer that jams randomly to an actual normal drill that jams because you overheard it
I don't know why they had to take it out
I'd rather babysit an actual objective that I have to pay attention instead of just some timer
@@TheMisterBerry Honestly if thats the reason testers didn't like it they maybe it could've been expanded to be more involved, like making somebody have to be pulled into an animation to speed up the drill, making them vulnerable and lose their peripheral vision. They would be preoccupied while doing this and somebody would have to defend them. This game has so many good ideas in it, they just need extra refinement to make replayability better
The whole thing about Locke never being planned as the primary contractor for Payday 3 is just baffling to me. Why would they not use a fan favourite character, who's actor clearly likes playing the role?, and instead replace him with a completely new character (I think Shade is cool, but doesn't have near the amount of character and personality as Locke has). Just a huge missed opportunity in my opinion.
I'd argue it's for no reason other than reinventing the wheel for the sake of it
At least you don’t totally hate Shade lol I really don’t get the hate for her…
I do feel like Locke should be used more though.
@@thegreatandpowerfuldc5977 As a certified shade-hater, I can attest that my main reason for not liking her is because she is so boring compared to bane, locke, the butcher, or any of the main-stay contractors of the first two games, really. They all had a certain thing that made them tick and gave them uniqueness, where shade is just too normal to really sell being a criminal mastermind imo
@@RedArcherLive a common, reoccurring theme with Payday 3 tbh
Im just gonna be honest.. Locke had more character when he WASN'T the main handler. He just felt dry, honestly. Compared to his performance in the Point Break heists.
2:29 Is the Streisand effect, Starbreeze attempted to DMCA it but inadvertently made it known they DMCA the leaked build, even though copies of the build is already outside of Reddit.
They didn’t try to DMCA the build, that photo was faked.
That leaked song sounds crazy 💯
Gustavo NEVER misses
The song is called under construction it was found in the files by modders around launch
Can’t believe it wasn’t used in the final product, it’s so good
@@gillgrinderThat's true, but we didn't have the second stealth part and the control part
@@reorseX you've missed with every word of that reply
the excuse for always online is piracy is complete bs when ppl are pirating payday 3 even though its always online smh
Yeah it was cracked within hours of launch, I believe. If preventing piracy WAS the reason, they failed spectacularly
@@RedArcherLive Pretty sure pirates were matchmaking with legitimate players, too
@@RedArcherLive 3 days after, with online fix too
I don't know what to say other than it looks like instead of building up they broke down.
Locke would/should have been the main handler, it would have felt natural for the lore as well. Bummer.
I miss drills, c4, saws, atms, and gage packs.
One of the things I despise the most about modern gaming is that almost every looter/rpg/co-op keeps adding annoying modifiers and calling it difficulty settings
IMO that's the absolute laziest way to make a game more difficult instead of actually tweaking or changing anything.
its honestly sad that things turned out the way they have, because helldivers 2 proves that people really really wanted a pve shooter
I wonder why they downgraded some of the HUD elements like the assault banner, and seeing what teamates are carrying.
I wonder why they downgraded the whole game from pd2
@@Dyl-275The game looks better. Anything else I could think of would be subjective taste on my part.
@@Oppen1945 graphics were the only upgrade, a sad era for gaming
That lighting in the bank looks actually really good. I know the solid white is just a dev texture, but it's a hell of an aesthetic.
That’s because it’s fully dynamic light, which is not a feasible option when you’re making a game that has waves of enemies, online, cross platforms and more finished assets. Light and reflections are extremely expensive and will be cut down on severely the further down the production you go
Changing the armor system has to be the dumbest thing they could have done and it ultimately ruined payday3 for me
We need.
1. Offline mode and server browser
2. better level progression
3. More heist.
4. More builds (dodge, stealth, rush)
5. More weapons
6. More cosmetics
7. More higher difficulty levels
And way way more.
With how much they need to add, it seems like this game wasn't ready to be released. Why did Starbreeze do this. 😭
Melee weapons do I have to say it
Do people who did the Payday 2 secret get the masks from it in Payday 3?
The track hits even better than the penthouse missions soundtracks parts where you wait for the police assault
They need to gives us that! And lots of more music like that
I feel like (hope) one of the loud modifiers they spoke of would be a constant assault, no breaks, or at the very least much shorter breaks
It'd need to be something insane if Mio really thinks that's enough to counter how insanely easy the game has become
I’m just baffled they were able to work on the game for that long and have such little content and QoL features and so so many problems
The QOL stuff is the biggest offender in my opinion. How do you look at payday 2, then payday 3 and thing the same company made both games.
I miss the drills, It was a consistent idea in payday 2, they could have really deep dived into the drill system and have its own set of skill trees.
Imagine one guy in your team is decked out on being a drill engineer and can cut a drill time by two-thirds through some manual drill handling and perks while your other teammates protect you
Bro no one is playing this game man it’s so sad. I can’t find a game for nothing. Lack of voice chat really kills the game for me.
i love how they ask during the stream if we liked something but like you guys had a suggestion page that went unused for a long time.
i honestly think if they listened to people way earlier than they did the game wouldn't be like it is now.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Only thing I want to mention is the dedicated server. I think they said at some point that they chose servers so the game isn't desynced. I mean, how much trouble people had with PD2's AI? You stand behind guard yet the game thinks you are in their View. Another thing being civilians following you not working properly. I don't know if this is bad coding problem or server issue but I saw a video once that said something like: "Desync happens because data aren't grouned up properly" meaning that what you see and what is programmed to happen isn't 1:1. With servers, all data are grounded to one specific thing. Also, having live service might have a little bit of truth when it comes to crossplay and crossprogression because the data is easily stored and there don't have to be complications between platforms like Steam being Steam only, can't transfer data to Epic Games and you can't put Steam data to Microsoft Xbox. PD3 has it's data through Nebula and every platform requires Nebula, so it make sense. When it comes to Offline mode, I belive those things work separately. When you play online, you basically connect to that server as base ground and use in-game files to build on it. With offline mode, in-game files must work like both ground AND something to build on it. Since PD3 is programmed to be MAINLY COOP game, for offline mode they have to build different system. It's either that or build the whole game from scratch. It would be easier for PD2 since it's peer to peer and also work differently. But that's just my two cents
Put simply, if what he said about moving the computation off the client machine is true, an offline mode would not run as well as online play, for machines that can't handle the pd3 jandal.
It's a fascinating leak, and also interesting how some of the debug testmaps that were shown here had "upgraded" versions of them in PD3 (and at some point were accessible with a mod), like that interactibles, shooting range targets, agility testmaps.
Also I do agree that Almir was weirdly jumpy about it, asking about getting some of the features back.
As for PD3 balancing, it's a coin of two sides - on one, I wouldn't discount modifiers as not being enough until I see what they actually have in there, but on another, just making the enemies harder will mean that other "non-meta" builds that are quite viable now will suffer, and maybe even a lot - like, ziv commando just now can actually be used pretty painlessly, same with northwest, and those are basically 2 worst guns in the game stats-wise, so if they now up the enemy damage/health, or make them higher DPS (by increased reaction times/rate of fire/numbers/whatever), those weapons again can fall to the category of "barely usable", which imo isn't that great either.
Basically imo they might would need to nerf some stuff,for example, why they buffed precision shot by removing requirement for it to consume edge is wild to me, it wasn't a weak skill even before, but now it's just straight up broken. Cutting shot I understand why they felt the need to buff it, since previously it was basically used for "breakpoints", so it was mostly down to calculating if that 10% better armor pen does anything for your build. But now, unless you are using weak pistols and shotguns, there's just no reason to not use it essentially. Maybe some additional restriction would be appropriate (i.e. have both edge and grit, or edge and rush, or reducing rate of fire/reload speed/accuracy, or something), or just not going for as high of a value increase.
I remember closed beta pd3 allowed you to mark objs that will pop up for everybody in heist
The fact they built Locke up to be the handler post-bain, only to do a switcharoo to another character whom was never introduced prior to the moment that required them to exist, playing it off very much like a "She goes to another school" type of 'brag' is just... asinine? If they knew they wanted Shade, she should've been introduced, AT THE VERY LEAST, during one of the pre-whitehouse storylines, for an *entire* storyline, at bare minimum.
Still the biggest problem: time between updates. Tomorrow it's 6 weeks again.
And then the update will again just add something that will change 'nothing'...
There was an update 2 weeks ago! :)
@@RedArcherLive true. I already forgot it. Damn.
When your 2020 build is better then the full game release.
No it's not? Why are you people so delusional
@@Volkogriz I don't get what they mean either
I hope they give us that track in the future!
Im not sure why when they said so we can build on it made me laugh so much
I’d like for the hostage trading window to have more depth it’d be great if you could actually negotiate with police and give more hostages for things like prolonged windows between assaults or equipment for optional objectives within heist say maybe there’s a secret secondary vault that has bonus loot but you need to trade say 5 hostages to get the equipment to open it I feel that may also balance out the trading for resources and make hostages a more valuable resource you need to manage
I just wanna point out that Luke said “No one’s ever really gone” in The Last Jedi, not in TROS
OH HE DID 😭😭😭
cod zombies (1-3) and payday 2 are and or can be played offline in doing so there is no noticeable performance hit at all even on lower end systems, while what the game director said was kinda true payday 3 has far less hostiles on screen at once than payday 2, if they were worried about performance it would not have been an ai problem it would have been poor quality optimizations on the rest of the project
Yes. Their older game engine, in Payday2, was a pile of trash that needed to be taken out back and put down.
But they made it work. It was always an unoptimized piece of garbage. And every update too them 3-4 months to fix the problems with crashing, bugs, and poor performance.
The AI isn't the reason why the game needs servers.
I wonder if the same person who leaked Overkill's The Walking Dead version 1.4 in October leaked this too?
Speaking of OTWD, I believe the CAR-4's muzzle there is the same as OTWD's?
I feel like that if they were really unsure about bringing Locke back, they should have altered Shade's origins very slightly and have Locke leave a message for the gang about how he needs to go into hiding (or something) and is therefore unable to directly lead the heists, but is entrusting Shade to lead them since he and Bane both knew her back in the day or something.
Really just something that actually acknowledges his existence in the main story (and overall Payday universe) rather than just half assedly tossing him into the legacy heists as someone 'contractor'
So how long is pd3 will be out before everyone will be able to play it?
"civilian cage NO FEEDING" is crazy
I feel like the approach to "just fix it now and if it's an issue down the line, we can always revise it or off-set it" is due in part because they KNOW they're down to the wire. I wholeheartedly see it happening that if they don't fix this game this year, Starbreeze could very well just pull the plug on Payday 3. So they're very likely feeling the intense pressure, and working as fast as possible to fix what they can, and if they make it into the clearing, they can always go back and revise it. I understand the philosophy of "just do it right the first time", but when you have that timer ticking down in the background, it's probably not that easy to devise what to do when A: the playerbase overall doesn't like a lot of the mechanics you put in, so you're hesitant on what to do. and B: the timer is still ticking down. Fix it and move on, or waste more time that's already been lost.
Also, I think they made a way for things to be easier because no one can find/connect with friends until they implement a proper server browser anyway.
Unfortunately, the only game we can play right now is the waiting one.
Idk
I just hope payday 3 gets better overtime but i do hope they have an opertunity for "legacy hud" for the lil circle one
I miss that one
Not gonna lie, that sample track was a banger
The old recoil system looks smooth.
While the issues at launch and i guess are still present in the game, the build is super interesting, and to not confuse people the usage of old stuff to start building a new game is standard (look at gta5 tests, it was run originally on the gta4 engine). I think they should've not done most of what they did in terms of changes from pd2 and pd3. I feel bad for the actual devs, especially knowing they did a super jump from the diesel engine to unreal among other things. just kinda sad at this point
The problem of Payday3 is not the difficulty or the "op" skills themselves in my opinion, it's the replayability.
Once you get familiar with all heists, you could finish them blindfolded and faster, because there is 0 vatiety in any heist (except in Roadrage, where the truck either goes left or right, amazing).
Making objectives and heist assets rng based would be more interesting, because you actually would have to search for something.
Adding special ways to enter/open/interact with stuff is another factor.
Being able to use saws, ecms, c4 or other methods (without the heist demanding you to do so) is what makes PD2 superior to PD3.
(Probably) the reason why there is no preplanning is because always is everything the same, therefore you don't need a plan (and prob. because they simply FoRgOt to add it into the game).
I could write a whole essay with things that are better in PD2, but I just wanted to evaluate on your opinion about modifiers not being enough / the game being too easy.
I could even make an entire 2 video with you, talking about everything they could improve😂😂
The hud already looks better than Base Payday 3
Should of kept it
Less than a 1k people play this game daily, payday isnt reallly known for its place in consoles too. Time is almost up
I like the new armor this is a sequel things change
I wish PD3 was just a remake of PD2 with the new engine, new skill trees and all that stuff
use mods
@@noble231YT that's definitely an idea, but it's not the point. I like using mods, but I don't like transforming the whole game just because "the game is shit". I want mods to enhance the gameplay and not remake every aspect of it
@@noble231YT mods can't go as far as a more flexible engine...
Yes
all i want is a offline mode now and new dlc
Yeah, it's very unlikely the online only is due to AI, what with how people actually are able to mod the game to play offline. All these excuses are bull.
Still a very fascinating look into the game's history and it's great to hear how and why other things may have come about.
cope much? it's an anti piracy measure so you can't pirate a copy of the base game. it's cut and dry, deep silver is known for this.
@@thebluehat6814 except that it was cracked rather quickly and people can even play online so that excuse also doesn't work
The only reasonable thing I can think of is desync issues between players like in PD2
But that still shouldn't force solo players to play online smh
fun fact before the leak track was in the files there a chans is still there
Big question, who leaked the build? I didn't hear anything about a hacker, so it means that it was inside thing. If this was a disgruntled employee, that means inside of the studio there is also turmoil on how the game is going.
It was someone In the discord
What is the heist called
Never buying a video game ever again.
Try Baldur's Gate 3, it'll restore your faith in the industry
Cutting content, swapping contractor and reworking hud and etc to a new style sounds like the typical inside problem between devs, publishers, CEOs and funding.
I don't think they are here just deliberatly
I haven’t played in a while…. But personally I would be fine with the game being easier if everything else in the game felt good.
Also something being easy for some players doesn’t mean it’s easy for everyone. Like I believe people playing Payday 3’s hardest difficulty said it was easy before but I found the game to be difficult and only played up to hard or very hard (I don’t remember all the difficulties at this point).
I would say what they could do is keep the difficulty the same but add a modifier menu to make the game harder and increase rewards for how many modifiers you have on. I don’t really like the idea of throwing random modifiers on in the base game especially like the lead guard or whatever (guard that has a radio that constantly goes off if he dies) where if you kill him you basically end your stealth run when playing solo. I don’t like rng for if you get xyz you then just wasted all your time on a mission because the modifier is impossible for you to do.
It would be cool if they can change up the game to make it both fun and rewarding. Last time I played I was spending hours doing the same mission over and over again due to crappy rewards and getting nothing for it on every other mission.
I wish they just took Payday 2 and just upgraded it to be Payday 3. They changed the gameplay too much in my opinion.
Also on Crime Boss: Rockay City I do like that game but quit playing it due to it being a buggy piece of crap. Like the cutscenes having no audio or just being a black screen. Plus they have story missions related to certain character but they make the missions annoying and if you die you have to wait until your next run and get that character again in order to play those missions again. Also they make decent sized maps but all the loot is in one building out of maybe 3 or 4 you can sometimes enter.
tbh respect for them in playing a leaked build, majority of devs dont even recognize the leaked builds other go in dmca tangents
To be fair, SBZ went on a DMCA tangent at first. I think they only embraced it once they realised they'd lost control of it lol
All I want from them at this point is a crossover in Dead by Daylight. Give me Wolf!
You know what I want from the prototype to the base game? The armor mechanic, of course!
It's not rocket science: lighter armor, less armor and more speed/downs. Make it regenerate the full chunk. If ya lose it, you probably did something wrong or the game screwed ya, go to an armor bag and fix it.
But no, they just gave a half-assed solution to it and called it a day. I'm glad they're addressing the leaked stuff but man does it frustrate me to no end.
This game has so much potential 😍
Now I'm no tech guru but if the game wasn't server side would we have better performance? Using Helldivers 2 as an example where I believe that game is all server side and it runs horribly even on high end PCs. My PC is I would say above average but man I'm lucky if I can even hit 60 fps on medium settings in HD2.
I don’t mean to be that guy and I don’t wanna be a negative Nancy like I always am but those every reason for this game they said for it being online only is just pure bullshit in my opinion
i think that they made overkill easy so that the players would ONLY play overkill. they want this because the player base is REALLY small and basically the game is split in multiple way and its really hard to play online with randoms. like...first you have to select a mission which some of them will be more popular than others and then you have the difficulty which basically it splits again in 2: overkill and very hard. the good players and high level play overkill, meanwhile the mediocre players with good enough builds are playing very hard
it looks so much better wtaf.
they need to bring back the zelsquad
I bet this was the version in development before everyone who knew what the fuck they were doing was driven out
there is a server emulater on MWS so i really dont know why they said they wanted ai on a server i totally think it's nonsence
Make the game fun and crazy and play well first!
Add new difficulties or make it harder later.
We need starbreez to fix the game and make it fun.
And when the player bace is back and playing again.
Then worrie about fixing the difficulty.
The players who want higher difficulty are the people who have been playing payday for years and have already mastered payday 3.
But most new players can't solo stealth missions on the highest difficulty.
I regret buying this game more and more every day
idk why they dont make some things client side and some server side, like u dont get rubberbanded back if running is client sided. make weapons, ammo, deployables etc server sided
its probably not that hard and it would make the game slightly more playable if they make the game p2p (which wont happen) (if it did happen) i wouldnt want the desynced dead-alive bodies from payday 2
here i just wrote whatever
ive seen people complain about the game being slow paced, i personally dont want the fast paced gameplay of payday 2, its like scrolling on shorts/tiktok for hours
make the game harder, remove the respawning on very hard/overkill
maybe add death wish?
redesign the ui
I honestly wish they would just go back to updating payday2 maybe even update the console version. Either that or completely remake payday3 because whatever they are doing now isnt working
Hearing modifiers for harder difficulties is baffling. Halo Infinite showed the industry that gamers hated challenge based exp, but Borderlands 3 showed that people hate rng modifier end game. PD3 has been giving serious Anthem vibes since its been released.
Melee weapons why is there no melee weapons just a knife will do
That comment about armor shows a much bigger fact than the pitiful release the dlcs and much else. It shows that the devs themselves do not understand how their game (payday2) plays or even why its fun. It shows that even if the release had gone smoothly payday 3 would still be dead as it is now.
It’s very generous of you to say that payday three is still holding on. The overwhelming majority of players have quit the game and will most likely never return because they royally fucked it up.
To be fair, I did say by a pinky 😂
@@RedArcherLive touche.
What number of games will allow us to declare " des game" ? sub 200 players? and time of comment we're at 270
Another topic that the payday Reddit will moan over for 3 months LETS GOOO
holy shit they look depressed playing it
It’s just too little too late man. And that sucks because I WANTED this game to thrive. Now it’s been deleted for a few months and I still have zero interest in going back in.
They're getting so desperate, that its actually embarrassing to admit you like the Payday series at this point. I loved PD2 and really liked PDTH and the mobile one was meh but what I expected from a mobile game, but if anyone asks, I do not like the series as a whole, gotta keep that under wraps now.
When I was at Insomnia last weekend, every creator I spoke to pulled the same face when I said I made Payday content. The franchise is becoming a laughing stock
@@RedArcherLive Exactly. It's such a shame.
And loud modifiers like skulldozers stealth tazers shit like that could work you're just wrong on this one dude
More weaponts more pay dlc weaponts masks omg fck
Mio had 0 to do with Payday 1 and 2 so it wont matter what you tell him. He dont know. And Almir… well trippin.
Starbreeze seem to just have no fucking idea what their fans actually enjoy about their game. That and greed killed pd3 and I'll be surprised if they can save it
So thats why ive been seeing "payday 3 early build" videos on youtube. I thought it was a bunch of clickbaity nonsense
Shockingly not
All I want from Payday3 is Payday2 with nicer graphics and new maps lol
Overkill getting lazy Which is sad
Jesus Christ I knew it all along
I knew payday 3 ended up the way ot did thanks to deep silver they always screw with devs and their games
(Im not saying that starbreeze didnt have any part on it but still)
Anyone got a download to that early build?
No funny business btw I dont want a virus lol.
The franchise is circling the toilet and they’re wasting time. Awesome. I don’t give this game another six months at this rate.
the fact they managed to make the current game worse than a previous build isn't surprising. Having played the game again recently I can say it still sucks and hearing shade makes me wanna go deaf
I really do not care if the game is "too easy".
all you had to do is make payday 2 plus.
instead you it's an always online bust.
Funny how this build looks way better than what we actually got
There's genuinely a handful of features and choices in the 2020 build that far exceed what we have in 2024, and that's abhorrent
It really doesn’t, the only reason it seems that way is because it’s something different from what we got.
I guarantee you that the repetitivity/lack of randomization is still a problem on this build, so we’d still have issues with replayability. The tasks are not much different from what we have, it’s just drill a safe and wait, find a keycard, disable a thing, etc. And obviously 3 is better visually than this is.
Yes, it having a server browser and solo mode and stuff like that is definitely a plus. But the gameplay of these two heists is still undercooked.
With all the talk about the game being too easy now, after the most recent update, it seems to me a quick fix wouldn't be that difficult for the Overkill difficulty.
Without tearing into the AI or other finer details, just the basic enemies and specials stats could be quickly buffed on Overkill to make the cops much harder to kill. Simply buff their HP, armor and damage output upwards 15-30% that would make a significant difference to the difficulty immediately, without changing anything else. Buff the specials too. If thay wanted to dig into the AI, spawn rates or other finer details down the road they could, but for now just buffing the base stats of the cops/specials could make a big difference with little effort. Just some basic balance testing. I'm no game designer, but for a quick fix that seems like a no brainer to me. Then leave the other difficulties alone for now, for those that want and easier experience.
Man I wish they just made payday 2.5
all of their excuses for always online is straight up bs because the game was playable offline with a mod and there was 0 difference in performance
The irony being that Crime Boss: Rockay City is actually way better than PD3 😂🤦♂️
Let’s just start development on Payday 4😂
hand on heart, the armor system ruined the game, that their logic presented in the devstream of the leaked buildis true then they deserve to get ruinated and the game dying. IS HE ON CRACK?
My theory is that the devs got tired of the pd2 gameplay loop so they tried to make changes for pd3 i.e. "more intense" or "realistic" when in reality pd2's gameplay loop works and they just shot themselves in the foot.
Bring back actual Regen armor and bring back skill trees ffs
Still don't have voice comms either