Late to the party but just saw this. I’ve seen the pad eye mod before elsewhere but utilizing the existing bungees just made me happy. So simple but so cool! Thank you!
As they say, better late than never! I to probably watched a dozen or more cart mods & there was just way to much involved to keep my interest. I’m glad you found my version to be beneficial. Thanks for checking it out.
That's really smooth. I'm just seeing this and subscribing. I guess i just get that busy with pushing my new business, fishing, recording, editing and Tieing Jigs all the time. Thanks
Thanks for the video! To those following the instructions, you can pull the bottom cap off of the cart and disconnect the bungee which then releases the top instead of cutting the line. Also, I suggest using a rubber mallet and hitting the caps hard to get them in…. It will protect the top coating better than using a metal hammer. All in all, a good video. I use the three hook bungee cord rather than the bungee in the back tho.
Have had a Hobie for years (2007) and putting the cart in was always a pain in the A** , so much so I got a under kayak cart but these are a pain on uneven ground. Had a look on UA-cam today at all the other versions with making up extra bits of shock cord and other Fiddly bits and pieces, but then spotted your version SIMPLE use what is already on the Kayak. Did the Mod in 15min and it works the charm.
Happy to hear it! I like you looked at all sorts of mods & while I’m sure most worked, there was just so much involved in the mod that I just wasn’t interested at the end of the day. Thanks for taking the time to comment & letting me know that you found value in it as well.
Nicely done! I've seen similar videos using this mod, but yours is the FIRST I've seen using the existing Bungie on the rear of the Hobie! AND the carabiner to keep tension on the Bungie. OOOOOH! Not sure how I'd be able to reach down to attach the Bungie without getting my arms wet up to the elbow/shoulder, but still works great! Thanks for the video!
Rarely do I have to get wet to apply the bungees. I position the wheels on the shore, leaving the nose of the kayak in the water I swing the back end into the wheels then run the bungees through the scupper holes. If the ramp is too steep I position the cart at an angle so that it doesn’t run away from me while doing this.
@@BigShticks Aha! Well, that makes a lot of sense! And then you back the kayak up until it's clear of the water? BTW, LOVE the name of your Channel and Hobie!
@@RogerFordTheSmilingBassHole Entry & exit from the water is virtually the same process, only in reverse. If I’m entering the water I place the nose into the water, unclip the bungees from the cart, then lift the kayak from the rear & swing it into the water. Your kayak will now be parallel to the shore. The cart will have fallen free & then you can retrieve it & place it wherever you like. I generally place it back into the scuppers with the wheels up behind my seat ready to use when back at the shore.
Thanks! While I’m not a fan of the Hobie Kayak carts price, I am a fan of how modifiable their products are & how well they work. This mod is a game changer for me as I do kayak alone a lot. Not having a second person or having to dump my gear & rest the kayak on it’s side to insert the cart is a hassle for sure. Thanks stopping in & contributing to the conversation!
Actually, the hobies have a reinforced scupper with black pvc type tubes in the scuppers and it pretty beefy inside as well. I wouldn't make a practice of rough launches though, I would use a strap on for that too.
@@Cyfi71 Go ahead and trust the little piece of plastic they half ass line the scupper with. They still crack. The "reinforcement" is not really a reinforcement.
I saved that pin and bungie from the cart and tied it to the map pocket in my Oasis kayak. When I'm unloading the kayak I put the wheels in before I take the kayak of my hullavator rack. The pin keeps them from falling out. This would also work great for people who transport their kayaks in the bed of a truck.
Ya, it's just like I said before, the Hobie vortex keeps sucking me in! The design of the cart and the ease of setting that up without tipping the yak over is pushing me towards once again breaking out the bucks for the cart. I can probably get by with the heavy duty cart as I am mostly a lake kinda guy.😎
Absolutely, the Trax-2 is really for crossing loose sand. It wouldn’t make much sense if it doesn’t suite your application. Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts!
Me too! But honestly I need to pick up some crab gear appropriate for the kayak. As I told MooMoo when he invited me to go to Half Moon bay all my gear is heavy duty commercial pots I use on my boat. Hopefully soon though.
@@BigShticks Now that I know you are a boat owner, I want to ask you about the ownership and the lenght of the boat that one can safely take a few miles out from the launch at Half Moon Bay providing that all safety precaution and other condition such as swell, wind etc... are being considered.
@@obwith2.332 Well to be honest, I’ve many people safely take out 14ft aluminum lake boats in the ocean provided the right conditions. That being said, it is frowned upon by serious ocean goers. However, there are smaller boats on the market that can stand up to some serious ocean rigors such as the C- Dory & Boston Whaler Montauk. The later I actually saw someone fishing at the Farallon islands in. That’s quite a perceived gamble in a 16ft boat. But it is known as the unsinkable legend for a reason. Matts (Fisherman’s Life) actually has a 16 ft boat he frequently takes out into the ocean as well. Not really sure what brand, but it appears seaworthy. I guess what I’m getting at is really that if you have safety in mind, have taken the necessary precautions, know what your respective boat & you yourself can handle & are comfortable with, you should be fine. Just don’t be afraid to say no way or tuck tail & run if the conditions start to get bad. As for boat ownership. Just know this, we live in California, they want their cut of your enjoyment. So when a boat owner tell ya... B reak. O ut. A nother. T housand. We mean it 😂
I have had two Hobies and the whole trolley system sucks. I have gone with the Boon Dox Groovy Landing Gear, with the sand wheels (SandTrakz). Cheaper and works better than those ridiculous bulky balloon tyres over all types of terrain, including soft sand. Can be retracted and deployed ON THE WATER - a real bonus for convenience. Try doing that with those balloons ! . . . . . said the Bishop to the actress :-)
There is some real convenience with the boon doxx landing gear. However, I’ve seen multiple with stress fractures from them. But admittedly their kayaks probably had to much stuff on them. I for one have no issues with the sand tires. I know I cannot deploy them while in the water. Which can seemingly be an inconvenience, but I’ve never been accustomed to loading my kayak that way anyways. I’ve always completely removed my kayak from the water. Unfortunately there is no one perfect product to end the debate. It’s all a matter of subjective perspective. Thanks for chiming in.
@@BigShticks The earlier versions has issues with some kayaks, but that was fixed with larger backing plates. I love being able to both retract and deploy the wheels whilst on the water. Saves a lot of hull damage and wet legs 👍🏻
@@steeevo0136 That’s good to know about the backing plates. Do you think it might interfere with the installation of a Hobie AMA? Or can you only have one or the other? I do a bit of ocean crabbing & fishing so I don’t really get much hull damage from the sand, nor do I worry about wet legs because I’m in a wet suit anyways.
Brilliant mod. Big Shticks! You just convinced me to not get the Boondocks system for my PA14. The install looked like a pain and the wheels look to dinky for a big kayak.
This is a good idea, however I think a better / quicker solution would be to have some sort of kickstand(s) for the cart so that you can stand it up while aligning the holes. Put the kickstand(s) back up and off you go.
It sounds good in theory. However in practice is another story. Your idea is one that accounts only for flat surfaces & still would require a bit of geometry in order to calculate the kickstand height to create the necessary angle to get the bars to align with the scupper holes. Try doing it at a boat launch on an incline or any uneven surface & you’ll realize the kickstand idea is not so great. I’ve had a C-Tug which comes with a kickstand. One inclined surfaces it falls over & runs away from you. When placed with wheels facing parallel to the water on an incline (to prevent the previous scenario) you have to move the kayak the same direction and lift, however the kayak has to be tipped sideways towards the water to accommodate the angle coming down which is difficult while loaded down & doing so alone.
I believe you’re talking about the 9in Hobie H-rail. I added that for a sturdy handle that doubles as an accessory mount, a place to clip my crab bag or fish stringer & when the conditions are rough it gives me something to hang onto. It easily handles the weight of large rods & 3-5lb downrigger balls for ocean salmon fishing as well. The plastic stock track mounts can’t handle the stress of that kind of weight. I also thought that if I was to capsize it would make it easier to flip the kayak back over & use it for re-entry. Thanks for stopping by & commenting!
@@missiletm Oooh 😂. That’s the Hobie compass kayak loader. It protects the rudder & the rear hull of the kayak when lifting from the bow for car topping or simply into a truck bed.
@@BigShticks oh, ok, another $75 Hobie accessory I presume or did it come with it? (I have a 2013 PA 14 and a 2015 Outback). The outback didnt even come with a hatch liner or gear bucket. I had to pay extra for those. Still the best money ever spent. I love the quality of the Hobie kayaks.
@@missiletm No, it was $30 😂. The outback’s come with them since 2018. I don’t think any of Hobie’s kayaks come with hatch liners of any kind. While it would be nice to provide some sort of storage option with purchase, I believe everyone’s interpretation of how they’ll use it varies greatly. So I think they simply offer a variety of workable options to be purchased after the fact while not simultaneously adding the cost of something that might be viewed as useless. The beauty of most Hobie products is that they work with virtually every one of their kayaks.
Nice setup. It is just mentally tough to make a sort of permanent mod to the cart as that pin holds the cart in place when the kayak is elevated off the ground. Rolling the kayak over has disadvantages also, major one is scratching the hull. Could carry a lightweight rubber mat in the storage area though.
Thanks! I keep the pin handy in my kayak storage. I still use it when loading & unloading so the cart doesn’t drop out. It’s not like I threw it away. That minor inconvenience prevents me from having the major headache of having to remove everything off of the deck. Including rods, net, drive, fish & crate just to get the cart in. With this set up I never think twice about going alone anymore.
If you just pop off the cap on the bottom of the cart you can untie the bungie that's attached to the pin and replace the cap. If you don't like the mod you can always undo it.
I have, but within reason. The kayak cannot be in waist deep water. If the nose is on the bank & the rear of the kayak is in knee deep water the answer is absolutely. The nose must be in a position to stay steady. If the rear of the kayak is in to deep of water you’ll have to lift the kayak up to high because the wheels will float preventing the shafts from entering the scupper holes.
great! i'm doing this! i'll use a separate bungee since my boat bungee is holding down my box. (the bigger question) what is that kayak-stand your boat is sitting on?
I have a scenario base question for you if you don't mind giving me your thoughts. I have a ladder racker wide enough to fit 4 hobies on it, but they will be secured on their sides using a T Slot J-Style Kayak Carrier. Do you think these things are gonna crack being on their side while driving down the highway? I mean they're gonna be secured and padded with foam... Just wondering if they can handle slight stress mounted on the side.
@@pa1264 These are Wheeleez that come on the Hobie Trax 2. They do not have a tire size on them. However, they do measure out at 7 inches wide (edge to edge) & 3 inches tall (rim to outer edge of the tire). Hope this helps
I’ve had no major issues with the compass. It’s been a really nice kayak for ocean, bay, river & lake thus far. It handles about as well as can be expected in the wind & waves due to its revo nose.
@@pitchkapizda8355 I do share the same sentiment. But I can also see how from a business & product design perspective how making their products fully modifiable with the purchase of additional components is beneficial to their bottom line. But it also allows for the end user to get creative & find fulfillment in making custom modifications that suit their needs specifically. I do believe however, that when you pay as much as folks do for a Hobie & other Hobie specific products, you do so only looking at the issue you’re trying to address. Not knowing that while the product you purchased addressed an issue, but it also created another small inconvenience you now are forced to deal with. It’s a vicious circle to be sure.
You can purchase them from any authorized Hobie dealer. I ordered mine from California Canoe & Kayak. Here’s a link with a place that has them in stock currently. westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Nice. Do those beach wheels work well on all terrains? I wonder if they'll get damaged if used on gravels.. Also, have you looked into Boonedox kayak launching/landing kit? The Boonedox seems nice, but it's a $300+ mod.
They do well on most terrains with the exception of very sharp rocky surfaces. I did look into the boonedox landing gear but it seemed to cumbersome to install because I would need access for a backer plate. Being the rectangle hatch is the closest access it didn’t seem feasible.
I'd stay away from the boonedox if you still have a factory warranty. There's a video on youtube where a guys new hobie developed a crack where the wheels mount to the kayak. Voided his warranty too.
They don't sell the ones you have with that part number here in Australia unless the hobie dealers have they have a different one with a non round top.
Oh man! Sorry to hear that. If the square padeye fits I’m sure it would work too. If however, you are adamant about using the round pad eyes I would contact Hobie & seek their advice on how to attain them. Amazon sells them as well, at least here in the US, AU presents different challenges I’m sure.
@@pa1264 Not sure what the US dollar to AUS dollar exchange rate is. That could be the difference in pricing. Here it’s $9.99 USD now. I’m guessing due to higher manufacturing costs.
There is only one size for the round padeye. I know there is another (the XL) which is the same size but has a square head. sportco.com/kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
That cap doubles as storage for the cart retention pin which allows the wheels to remain inserted through the scupper holes & not fall out when lifted off the ground.
I got them California Canoe & Kayak in Oakland Ca. But they can be purchased on Amazon and authorized Hobie dealers. Hobie Screw In Pad Eye XL www.amazon.com/dp/B01JKIUCSM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_8S2TEGT0CWQD6CE3X7BH
I still use it. I tied a small carabiner to the remaining bungee & I clip it onto one of the rear deck padeyes. That way I never misplace it & it’s right there ready to use.
I can stand in it & cast smaller baits on a calm lake. I do so every now & again when I’m fishing crappie & a specific area calls for a finesse type of fishing that I might not be able to accomplish seated. In current, chop & swell or while using heavy duty rods with heavy baits & weights it’s not something I’m willing to chance. Doing so causes me to roll my hips & shift my weight from one foot to the other. While the kayak won’t tip, it will lean enough to make it possible I lose my balance & go overboard. I also didn’t purchase the kayak for that capability. In my experience, super stable kayaks that are more suitable casting platforms are also very wide, heavy, slow on the water & are way less maneuverable. So it’s a trade off really. When purchasing this kayak I needed to really narrow down the features that were most important for me to accomplish what I set out to do on a kayak. For me that ease of transportation & land maneuver (weight), agility on the water (can it turn fast), ability to fish a myriad of different water conditions (lake, river & ocean), build quality & function (available accessories & fishability) among other things. The MD180 drive was the cherry on top. I can pedal that thing all day long with minimal fatigue. I can’t tell you in words how important that is when the fishing grounds are a few miles from harbor. If standing is a big part of what you want to do on a kayak. I’ll just say what others probably won’t. It’s not the best choice. Perhaps a Hobie Pro Angler, Native Slayer or Old Town sportsman are more your cup of tea. As for me, if that’s something I feel is necessary for a successful fishing trip I just break out my boat. I hope that answers your questions.
@@BigShticks I mainly plan on standing on it in about 4-6mph wind on rivers near highway 37. Do you think it’ll be stable enough? I also looked into the compass for the same reasons as you, just wanted to see if I can stand on it here and there.
@@erickescobedo4820 I’m a little confused. In your first sentence you say you mainly want to stand up & fish on rivers off of highway 37. Last sentence says stand here & there. Sure you can stand here & there on it. That’s absolutely not gonna be a problem. I do it to stretch my legs, take a leak, & other things. But if your thought is to stand for prolonged periods casting away in a river subject to huge tidal influxes & frequently high wind areas. I can’t say it won’t work, it will. It just won’t be like standing on paddle board. It’s going to give side to side which gives it great secondary stability when the occupants weight is centered low.I fish every creek, river & reclaimed wetlands along 37. There are a few good mornings where wind isn’t a factor but the tide will be ripping & vice versa. Occasionally I’ll just park the yak & fish from otherwise inaccessible shoreline to get my standing casts in.
Maybe, but I believe the PVC pipe reinforced scupper holes are up to the task. Not one person that I know whom owns a Hobie (that’s quite a few) has had that issue. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I’m going to say it’s rare compared to other kayaks without the reinforced scupper holes.
@@BigShticks Whatever floats your boat or cracks it for that matter. Those little PVC inserts aren't designed to carry weight. But, Hobie has a warranty. Good luck. Hope it doesn't happen to you. I'd rather have a better cart and not take the chance.
@@briarfox637 The PVC inserts in compass are almost 1/6 inch thick. I don’t think they’ll crack. But again, admittedly I guess it could happen. I do also have a C-Tug but that thing is such a bitch to put on alone on a slope (boat ramp) or uneven surface, let alone using it on a beach that I’m willing to take that risk. I’d rather drag my yak across the sand with no wheels. Out of curiosity, knowing that all Hobie kayak carts are scupper plug inserted & that you are seemingly so opposed to carts of that type…why’d you watch the video?
@@BigShticks I watched it because of the title. Was interested in what he was gonna say, but then it turned out as a promo for scupper carts. And by the way, 1/16, isn't that thick.
@@briarfox637 Well I appreciate you checking out the video regardless. Also, I didn’t say 1/16 I said 1/6 which is slightly less than a 1/4 inch thick. It’s pretty formidable & distributes the stress evenly making it up to the task. Make no mistake, I have experienced the scupper stress fractures you speak of on a lifetime kayak from a plug in kayak cart. But in comparing those two kayaks & their build quality there is no comparison. There is little to no movement of the cart bars in the scuppers which reduces the possibility of pinpoint pressure from an angle which is what split my previous kayak at the scupper holes.
@@BigShticks Fully equipped, you need wheels. And I do have a cart; it fits into the two holes under the drive hub. The holes don't go all the way through, however.
@@Causemoi 😂 I was just giving you grief. I know Hobie wouldn’t release a kayak without products that work for it. However, I’m not very familiar with the i11s or it’s accessories & how they work. I just know it’s super light.
@@pa1264 Considering the exchange rate my friend I’d say it’s about the same price. 1usd has averaged $1.30 Australian dollars. But the food here can be pretty good. It is a mixture of various influences that when combined is unlike anywhere else 😊
Says, I don't know why, but it seems like a good idea. Doesn't know why because he watched someone else's video on the same mod he's recreating and didn't pay attention to the why part of the other guy's video🙄
Believe what you want. I never saw anyone else’s video of a similar mod. I placed the padeyes in facing forward because it felt right at the time. I have since done the same mod on the heavy duty cart & put the padeyes in sideways & it doesn’t make any difference.
Late to the party but just saw this. I’ve seen the pad eye mod before elsewhere but utilizing the existing bungees just made me happy. So simple but so cool! Thank you!
As they say, better late than never! I to probably watched a dozen or more cart mods & there was just way to much involved to keep my interest. I’m glad you found my version to be beneficial. Thanks for checking it out.
I did similiar bungee cord mod, but this is the best I’ve seen. Thanks for the info/idea!
That's really smooth. I'm just seeing this and subscribing. I guess i just get that busy with pushing my new business, fishing, recording, editing and Tieing Jigs all the time. Thanks
Thanks for the video! To those following the instructions, you can pull the bottom cap off of the cart and disconnect the bungee which then releases the top instead of cutting the line. Also, I suggest using a rubber mallet and hitting the caps hard to get them in…. It will protect the top coating better than using a metal hammer. All in all, a good video. I use the three hook bungee cord rather than the bungee in the back tho.
Just bought the same cart for my 19 outback. Hadn’t used it yet and am already looking into your idea. Awesome brother! And thanks
It’s been a lifesaver for me thus far. Thanks for watching!
Have had a Hobie for years (2007) and putting the cart in was always a pain in the A** , so much so I got a under kayak cart but these are a pain on uneven ground. Had a look on UA-cam today at all the other versions with making up extra bits of shock cord and other Fiddly bits and pieces, but then spotted your version SIMPLE use what is already on the Kayak. Did the Mod in 15min and it works the charm.
Happy to hear it! I like you looked at all sorts of mods & while I’m sure most worked, there was just so much involved in the mod that I just wasn’t interested at the end of the day. Thanks for taking the time to comment & letting me know that you found value in it as well.
The ONLY Hobie Kayak Cart mod you NEED TO WATCH!!! Thanks my man. Checking out this cart now.
Best version I've seen so far. Nice and clean 👍
Thank you sir!
Nicely done! I've seen similar videos using this mod, but yours is the FIRST I've seen using the existing Bungie on the rear of the Hobie! AND the carabiner to keep tension on the Bungie. OOOOOH!
Not sure how I'd be able to reach down to attach the Bungie without getting my arms wet up to the elbow/shoulder, but still works great!
Thanks for the video!
Rarely do I have to get wet to apply the bungees. I position the wheels on the shore, leaving the nose of the kayak in the water I swing the back end into the wheels then run the bungees through the scupper holes. If the ramp is too steep I position the cart at an angle so that it doesn’t run away from me while doing this.
@@BigShticks Aha! Well, that makes a lot of sense! And then you back the kayak up until it's clear of the water?
BTW, LOVE the name of your Channel and Hobie!
@@RogerFordTheSmilingBassHole
Entry & exit from the water is virtually the same process, only in reverse. If I’m entering the water I place the nose into the water, unclip the bungees from the cart, then lift the kayak from the rear & swing it into the water. Your kayak will now be parallel to the shore. The cart will have fallen free & then you can retrieve it & place it wherever you like. I generally place it back into the scuppers with the wheels up behind my seat ready to use when back at the shore.
@@BigShticks Great strategy! Thanks!
You’re a genius.. thanks for
Glad it helped
I've seen 3 different mods of this before and I think this one is my favorite.
Thanks Moo! Still moving in? I haven’t seen much fishing from you lately.
@@BigShticks My honey do list got so much longer LOL
Ahh yes, the side effects of homeownership 😂
Ok, I like it!! I'm going to have to break down and buy myself a Hobie cart for Christmas now as that is a darn good reason for having one!😎
Thanks! While I’m not a fan of the Hobie Kayak carts price, I am a fan of how modifiable their products are & how well they work. This mod is a game changer for me as I do kayak alone a lot. Not having a second person or having to dump my gear & rest the kayak on it’s side to insert the cart is a hassle for sure. Thanks stopping in & contributing to the conversation!
Don't get a scupper cart. Scuppers aren't meant to have things shoved in them, get a Ctug
Actually, the hobies have a reinforced scupper with black pvc type tubes in the scuppers and it pretty beefy inside as well. I wouldn't make a practice of rough launches though, I would use a strap on for that too.
@@Cyfi71 Go ahead and trust the little piece of plastic they half ass line the scupper with. They still crack. The "reinforcement" is not really a reinforcement.
I saved that pin and bungie from the cart and tied it to the map pocket in my Oasis kayak. When I'm unloading the kayak I put the wheels in before I take the kayak of my hullavator rack. The pin keeps them from falling out. This would also work great for people who transport their kayaks in the bed of a truck.
Yup, because I do use the bed of my truck that pin is still a key component & gets used every time I take it in & out of the bed.
Great idea Big Shticks turning the yack over or trying to get the cart in under water is a real pain thanks
Ya, it's just like I said before, the Hobie vortex keeps sucking me in! The design of the cart and the ease of setting that up without tipping the yak over is pushing me towards once again breaking out the bucks for the cart. I can probably get by with the heavy duty cart as I am mostly a lake kinda guy.😎
Absolutely, the Trax-2 is really for crossing loose sand. It wouldn’t make much sense if it doesn’t suite your application. Thanks for weighing in with your thoughts!
Outstanding! Thank you!
Second level thinking! Great job.
Thanks! Great screen name btw.
Cann't wait to see you crabbing on this kayak around the Pacifica area! I want to tag along.
Me too! But honestly I need to pick up some crab gear appropriate for the kayak. As I told MooMoo when he invited me to go to Half Moon bay all my gear is heavy duty commercial pots I use on my boat. Hopefully soon though.
@@BigShticks Yeh I noticed that in the background of the video, those commercial grade ones and was thinking that you are a commercial crab guy!
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😂 I don’t know if I could do that for a living.
@@BigShticks Now that I know you are a boat owner, I want to ask you about the ownership and the lenght of the boat that one can safely take a few miles out from the launch at Half Moon Bay providing that all safety precaution and other condition such as swell, wind etc... are being considered.
@@obwith2.332
Well to be honest, I’ve many people safely take out 14ft aluminum lake boats in the ocean provided the right conditions. That being said, it is frowned upon by serious ocean goers. However, there are smaller boats on the market that can stand up to some serious ocean rigors such as the C- Dory & Boston Whaler Montauk. The later I actually saw someone fishing at the Farallon islands in. That’s quite a perceived gamble in a 16ft boat. But it is known as the unsinkable legend for a reason. Matts (Fisherman’s Life) actually has a 16 ft boat he frequently takes out into the ocean as well. Not really sure what brand, but it appears seaworthy. I guess what I’m getting at is really that if you have safety in mind, have taken the necessary precautions, know what your respective boat & you yourself can handle & are comfortable with, you should be fine. Just don’t be afraid to say no way or tuck tail & run if the conditions start to get bad. As for boat ownership. Just know this, we live in California, they want their cut of your enjoyment. So when a boat owner tell ya...
B reak. O ut. A nother. T housand.
We mean it 😂
Thanks for sharing. May I ask...as I have the standard hard wheel cart, will this pad eye fits? Thanks in advance. Louis
Yes it most certainly will. It fits all Hobie carts except those in the itrek series
@@BigShticks Thank you so much. Louis
Great simple modification that really works. Where can I get the pad eye endcaps that you are using? They are just the right ones.
Any authorized Hobie dealer should carry them. But here’s a link
www.mariner-sails.com/hobie-screw-in-pad-eye.html
@@BigShticks Great and thanks for your info.
I have had two Hobies and the whole trolley system sucks. I have gone with the Boon Dox Groovy Landing Gear, with the sand wheels (SandTrakz). Cheaper and works better than those ridiculous bulky balloon tyres over all types of terrain, including soft sand. Can be retracted and deployed ON THE WATER - a real bonus for convenience. Try doing that with those balloons ! . . . . . said the Bishop to the actress :-)
There is some real convenience with the boon doxx landing gear. However, I’ve seen multiple with stress fractures from them. But admittedly their kayaks probably had to much stuff on them. I for one have no issues with the sand tires. I know I cannot deploy them while in the water. Which can seemingly be an inconvenience, but I’ve never been accustomed to loading my kayak that way anyways. I’ve always completely removed my kayak from the water. Unfortunately there is no one perfect product to end the debate. It’s all a matter of subjective perspective. Thanks for chiming in.
@@BigShticks The earlier versions has issues with some kayaks, but that was fixed with larger backing plates. I love being able to both retract and deploy the wheels whilst on the water. Saves a lot of hull damage and wet legs 👍🏻
@@steeevo0136
That’s good to know about the backing plates. Do you think it might interfere with the installation of a Hobie AMA? Or can you only have one or the other? I do a bit of ocean crabbing & fishing so I don’t really get much hull damage from the sand, nor do I worry about wet legs because I’m in a wet suit anyways.
@@BigShticks It shouldn't, but I can't say for sure, and you can position the Boon Dox where suits best.
Brilliant mod. Big Shticks! You just convinced me to not get the Boondocks system for my PA14. The install looked like a pain and the wheels look to dinky for a big kayak.
This mod has been a time & money saver for me for sure. The boondox are nice for sure, but I have seen the hulls crack & fail under the stress.
Thanks! I appreciate your response!
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This is a good idea, however I think a better / quicker solution would be to have some sort of kickstand(s) for the cart so that you can stand it up while aligning the holes. Put the kickstand(s) back up and off you go.
It sounds good in theory. However in practice is another story. Your idea is one that accounts only for flat surfaces & still would require a bit of geometry in order to calculate the kickstand height to create the necessary angle to get the bars to align with the scupper holes. Try doing it at a boat launch on an incline or any uneven surface & you’ll realize the kickstand idea is not so great. I’ve had a C-Tug which comes with a kickstand. One inclined surfaces it falls over & runs away from you. When placed with wheels facing parallel to the water on an incline (to prevent the previous scenario) you have to move the kayak the same direction and lift, however the kayak has to be tipped sideways towards the water to accommodate the angle coming down which is difficult while loaded down & doing so alone.
Great video. What’s that gray steering wheel looking thing on the stern?
I believe you’re talking about the 9in Hobie H-rail. I added that for a sturdy handle that doubles as an accessory mount, a place to clip my crab bag or fish stringer & when the conditions are rough it gives me something to hang onto. It easily handles the weight of large rods & 3-5lb downrigger balls for ocean salmon fishing as well. The plastic stock track mounts can’t handle the stress of that kind of weight. I also thought that if I was to capsize it would make it easier to flip the kayak back over & use it for re-entry. Thanks for stopping by & commenting!
@@BigShticks no, at 5:20 or so, when ya lift the ass end up on the yak, that thing..... attached to the stern.... what is that?
@@missiletm
Oooh 😂. That’s the Hobie compass kayak loader. It protects the rudder & the rear hull of the kayak when lifting from the bow for car topping or simply into a truck bed.
@@BigShticks oh, ok, another $75 Hobie accessory I presume or did it come with it? (I have a 2013 PA 14 and a 2015 Outback). The outback didnt even come with a hatch liner or gear bucket. I had to pay extra for those. Still the best money ever spent. I love the quality of the Hobie kayaks.
@@missiletm
No, it was $30 😂. The outback’s come with them since 2018. I don’t think any of Hobie’s kayaks come with hatch liners of any kind. While it would be nice to provide some sort of storage option with purchase, I believe everyone’s interpretation of how they’ll use it varies greatly. So I think they simply offer a variety of workable options to be purchased after the fact while not simultaneously adding the cost of something that might be viewed as useless. The beauty of most Hobie products is that they work with virtually every one of their kayaks.
Damn u r the man I have been doing it wrong for years
Appreciate it brotha!
Where did u get those eyes
@@titaniumtim18d77
Hobie - Padeye - Screw-In (Uai) - 71116001
@@titaniumtim18d77
westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Nice setup. It is just mentally tough to make a sort of permanent mod to the cart as that pin holds the cart in place when the kayak is elevated off the ground. Rolling the kayak over has disadvantages also, major one is scratching the hull. Could carry a lightweight rubber mat in the storage area though.
Thanks! I keep the pin handy in my kayak storage. I still use it when loading & unloading so the cart doesn’t drop out. It’s not like I threw it away. That minor inconvenience prevents me from having the major headache of having to remove everything off of the deck. Including rods, net, drive, fish & crate just to get the cart in. With this set up I never think twice about going alone anymore.
If you just pop off the cap on the bottom of the cart you can untie the bungie that's attached to the pin and replace the cap. If you don't like the mod you can always undo it.
@@jackmackerel4151
😂 too late! I had no idea. I cut it off, but I’m sure that’s useful info for those whom plan to do this cart mod. Thanks!
Dude what?.. genius!!
Thanks!
Holy crap you are a genius!!!!
Nah, just someone who likes to keep things simple. Appreciate the compliment though!
Brilliant, do feel you can do this in the water.
I have, but within reason. The kayak cannot be in waist deep water. If the nose is on the bank & the rear of the kayak is in knee deep water the answer is absolutely. The nose must be in a position to stay steady. If the rear of the kayak is in to deep of water you’ll have to lift the kayak up to high because the wheels will float preventing the shafts from entering the scupper holes.
heck yeah man, thanks for this! subbed
Thank you! Nice Hali in the avatar!
@@BigShticks haha thanks, wish it was a hali, only a summer flounder (east coast)
@@PeterRanieriII
Well damn! That’s a big ass flounder then 😂
@@BigShticks 😆 appreciate it
can you still use the pin to prevent wheels from falling out?
Yes of course! I tied a loop on mine & added a carabiner then clip it on my cargo bungee so I don’t lose it
great! i'm doing this! i'll use a separate bungee since my boat bungee is holding down my box. (the bigger question) what is that kayak-stand your boat is sitting on?
It’s an old aluminum jet ski stand. Picked it up at a garage sale for $10.
Very good Idea 👍 👌
Where did you get the kayak stand?
It’s an aluminum jet ski stand
I have a scenario base question for you if you don't mind giving me your thoughts. I have a ladder racker wide enough to fit 4 hobies on it, but they will be secured on their sides using a T Slot J-Style Kayak Carrier. Do you think these things are gonna crack being on their side while driving down the highway? I mean they're gonna be secured and padded with foam... Just wondering if they can handle slight stress mounted on the side.
I have a few buddies that have trailers with similar set ups. None have experienced any stress fractures, warped hulls or damage to my knowledge.
@@BigShticks Awesome, thank you for the quick reply
Great idea! Q: Where did you get the pad eyes and what size are they? Thanks in advance! 🎣🤙
They are Hobie round pad eyes & I bought them from my Hobie dealer.
www.calkayak.com/hobie-padeye-screw-in.html
Great, thank you!
What size tyres on the cart.
@@pa1264
These are Wheeleez that come on the Hobie Trax 2. They do not have a tire size on them. However, they do measure out at 7 inches wide (edge to edge) & 3 inches tall (rim to outer edge of the tire). Hope this helps
@@BigShticks ok I just bought the same one it has 24 on the side wall I was trying to get the size 30 tyres apparently it doesn't fit the trax2 frame.
How has the compass held up for you? Does it do good in the wind?
I’ve had no major issues with the compass. It’s been a really nice kayak for ocean, bay, river & lake thus far. It handles about as well as can be expected in the wind & waves due to its revo nose.
@@BigShticks I’m looking to buy one in this upcoming month. Where did you buy yours?
@@erickescobedo4820
Kayak city in Sacramento.
@@BigShticks thanks
It’s beyond me why they just don’t bring them carts out already modified like that they’d sell a hell of a lot more
@@pitchkapizda8355
I do share the same sentiment. But I can also see how from a business & product design perspective how making their products fully modifiable with the purchase of additional components is beneficial to their bottom line. But it also allows for the end user to get creative & find fulfillment in making custom modifications that suit their needs specifically. I do believe however, that when you pay as much as folks do for a Hobie & other Hobie specific products, you do so only looking at the issue you’re trying to address. Not knowing that while the product you purchased addressed an issue, but it also created another small inconvenience you now are forced to deal with. It’s a vicious circle to be sure.
I really like this idea. Where did you get the pad eye?
You can purchase them from any authorized Hobie dealer. I ordered mine from California Canoe & Kayak.
Here’s a link with a place that has them in stock currently.
westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Nice. Do those beach wheels work well on all terrains? I wonder if they'll get damaged if used on gravels.. Also, have you looked into Boonedox kayak launching/landing kit? The Boonedox seems nice, but it's a $300+ mod.
They do well on most terrains with the exception of very sharp rocky surfaces. I did look into the boonedox landing gear but it seemed to cumbersome to install because I would need access for a backer plate. Being the rectangle hatch is the closest access it didn’t seem feasible.
I'd stay away from the boonedox if you still have a factory warranty. There's a video on youtube where a guys new hobie developed a crack where the wheels mount to the kayak. Voided his warranty too.
Very Clever.
Thanks! Sometimes it’s best not to overthink things.
Will this work with the fold up cart ? Thanks
If it’s a Hobie cart I believe so
They don't sell the ones you have with that part number here in Australia unless the hobie dealers have they have a different one with a non round top.
Oh man! Sorry to hear that. If the square padeye fits I’m sure it would work too. If however, you are adamant about using the round pad eyes I would contact Hobie & seek their advice on how to attain them. Amazon sells them as well, at least here in the US, AU presents different challenges I’m sure.
@@BigShticks just bought a set of pad eyes from my local hobie store at $14 each a bit set me back $28
@@pa1264
Not sure what the US dollar to AUS dollar exchange rate is. That could be the difference in pricing. Here it’s $9.99 USD now. I’m guessing due to higher manufacturing costs.
What size pad eye? Saw there were two sizes.
There is only one size for the round padeye. I know there is another (the XL) which is the same size but has a square head.
sportco.com/kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Why is there a bungee under the cap to begin with?
That cap doubles as storage for the cart retention pin which allows the wheels to remain inserted through the scupper holes & not fall out when lifted off the ground.
@@BigShticks ahhhh! Makes sense! Great mod by the way!
@@pissywilly
Thanks!
what is the Hobie part number for the pad eye I will need to do you mod on my HD Hobie cart? where did you get them
I got them California Canoe & Kayak in Oakland Ca. But they can be purchased on Amazon and authorized Hobie dealers. Hobie Screw In Pad Eye XL www.amazon.com/dp/B01JKIUCSM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_8S2TEGT0CWQD6CE3X7BH
www.calkayak.com/hobie-padeye-screw-in.html
Hi dear.
I dont found the plug!
Can you sand me a link.
Thank you
westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Can you use the lock after the padeye? Or it’s blocked
I still use it. I tied a small carabiner to the remaining bungee & I clip it onto one of the rear deck padeyes. That way I never misplace it & it’s right there ready to use.
Is the stability good? Cans you stand while fishing?
I can stand in it & cast smaller baits on a calm lake. I do so every now & again when I’m fishing crappie & a specific area calls for a finesse type of fishing that I might not be able to accomplish seated. In current, chop & swell or while using heavy duty rods with heavy baits & weights it’s not something I’m willing to chance. Doing so causes me to roll my hips & shift my weight from one foot to the other. While the kayak won’t tip, it will lean enough to make it possible I lose my balance & go overboard. I also didn’t purchase the kayak for that capability. In my experience, super stable kayaks that are more suitable casting platforms are also very wide, heavy, slow on the water & are way less maneuverable. So it’s a trade off really. When purchasing this kayak I needed to really narrow down the features that were most important for me to accomplish what I set out to do on a kayak. For me that ease of transportation & land maneuver (weight), agility on the water (can it turn fast), ability to fish a myriad of different water conditions (lake, river & ocean), build quality & function (available accessories & fishability) among other things. The MD180 drive was the cherry on top. I can pedal that thing all day long with minimal fatigue. I can’t tell you in words how important that is when the fishing grounds are a few miles from harbor. If standing is a big part of what you want to do on a kayak. I’ll just say what others probably won’t. It’s not the best choice. Perhaps a Hobie Pro Angler, Native Slayer or Old Town sportsman are more your cup of tea. As for me, if that’s something I feel is necessary for a successful fishing trip I just break out my boat. I hope that answers your questions.
@@BigShticks I mainly plan on standing on it in about 4-6mph wind on rivers near highway 37. Do you think it’ll be stable enough? I also looked into the compass for the same reasons as you, just wanted to see if I can stand on it here and there.
@@erickescobedo4820
I’m a little confused. In your first sentence you say you mainly want to stand up & fish on rivers off of highway 37. Last sentence says stand here & there. Sure you can stand here & there on it. That’s absolutely not gonna be a problem. I do it to stretch my legs, take a leak, & other things. But if your thought is to stand for prolonged periods casting away in a river subject to huge tidal influxes & frequently high wind areas. I can’t say it won’t work, it will. It just won’t be like standing on paddle board. It’s going to give side to side which gives it great secondary stability when the occupants weight is centered low.I fish every creek, river & reclaimed wetlands along 37. There are a few good mornings where wind isn’t a factor but the tide will be ripping & vice versa. Occasionally I’ll just park the yak & fish from otherwise inaccessible shoreline to get my standing casts in.
Bravo
Thanks 🙏
Looks impossible to do while in shallow waer at a rocky beach.
True. But only if you have the beach tires. If you have the heavy duty tires it’s no problem at all.
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surprising
Where to buy hobie kayak cart cap ?
They’re Hobie padeye’s & can be purchased from any Hobie dealer
@@BigShticks thank you very much
Good friend
hello where can I find those 2 caps that you add to the cart and then hook the rubber bands? What are they called and what size are they?
The are called Hobie padeye’s. Amazon &/or any authorized dealer of Hobie kayaks should carry them or at least be able to order them for you.
@@BigShticks I'm sorry but I can't find it in size. Could you kindly send me the link to order it?
@@profeta6937
westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
@@profeta6937
Hobie - Padeye - Screw-In (Uai) - 71116001 www.amazon.com/dp/B004CGB0D4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_7MGFH3K8HQ9M1N1Q4SQF?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
@@BigShticks perfect!! Thank you very match
Link to the padeyes?
westcoastsailing.net/hobie-kayak-screw-in-pad-eye/
Shitcks, are you from the bay brother?
Yup! Grew up in vallejo & American Canyon, live in the Green Valley area now.
@@BigShticks hell yeah bro! I'm from vallejo and still live here. Let's get to fishing some time broda. Rockfish maybe? Before season ends?
@@pernamore4224
Sure thing.
One day you'll regret a scupper cart when your scupper holes crack.
Maybe, but I believe the PVC pipe reinforced scupper holes are up to the task. Not one person that I know whom owns a Hobie (that’s quite a few) has had that issue. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but I’m going to say it’s rare compared to other kayaks without the reinforced scupper holes.
@@BigShticks Whatever floats your boat or cracks it for that matter. Those little PVC inserts aren't designed to carry weight. But, Hobie has a warranty. Good luck. Hope it doesn't happen to you. I'd rather have a better cart and not take the chance.
@@briarfox637
The PVC inserts in compass are almost 1/6 inch thick. I don’t think they’ll crack. But again, admittedly I guess it could happen. I do also have a C-Tug but that thing is such a bitch to put on alone on a slope (boat ramp) or uneven surface, let alone using it on a beach that I’m willing to take that risk. I’d rather drag my yak across the sand with no wheels.
Out of curiosity, knowing that all Hobie kayak carts are scupper plug inserted & that you are seemingly so opposed to carts of that type…why’d you watch the video?
@@BigShticks I watched it because of the title. Was interested in what he was gonna say, but then it turned out as a promo for scupper carts. And by the way, 1/16, isn't that thick.
@@briarfox637
Well I appreciate you checking out the video regardless. Also, I didn’t say 1/16 I said 1/6 which is slightly less than a 1/4 inch thick. It’s pretty formidable & distributes the stress evenly making it up to the task. Make no mistake, I have experienced the scupper stress fractures you speak of on a lifetime kayak from a plug in kayak cart. But in comparing those two kayaks & their build quality there is no comparison. There is little to no movement of the cart bars in the scuppers which reduces the possibility of pinpoint pressure from an angle which is what split my previous kayak at the scupper holes.
Won't work on my i11s.
I would say that a 35lb inflatable kayak doesn’t need one. But rather, I don’t recall if the i11s even has scuppers.
@@BigShticks Fully equipped, you need wheels. And I do have a cart; it fits into the two holes under the drive hub. The holes don't go all the way through, however.
@@Causemoi
😂 I was just giving you grief. I know Hobie wouldn’t release a kayak without products that work for it. However, I’m not very familiar with the i11s or it’s accessories & how they work. I just know it’s super light.
Is that $12 for both or each 😁
At the time they were $5.99 each. Now they are $9.99 each.
www.calkayak.com/hobie-padeye-screw-in.html
@@BigShticks well America has some cheap stuff and nice food😁
@@pa1264
Considering the exchange rate my friend I’d say it’s about the same price. 1usd has averaged $1.30 Australian dollars. But the food here can be pretty good. It is a mixture of various influences that when combined is unlike anywhere else 😊
@@BigShticks yes that's true😁
Says, I don't know why, but it seems like a good idea. Doesn't know why because he watched someone else's video on the same mod he's recreating and didn't pay attention to the why part of the other guy's video🙄
Believe what you want. I never saw anyone else’s video of a similar mod. I placed the padeyes in facing forward because it felt right at the time. I have since done the same mod on the heavy duty cart & put the padeyes in sideways & it doesn’t make any difference.