Destiny 2 Lore - What happens when Cloudstriders go Rogue? You get the Uplift Coven.
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- Опубліковано 14 кві 2023
- Destiny 2's Lore and Story in Lightfall tells us about how some of the cloudstriders rose up against Neomuna. These rogue cloudstriders existed in the time of the cloudstrider Maelstrom and they were known as the Uplift Coven.
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Neomuni: "Warlords"!
Byf: "And I took that personally".
I think the best argument against "warlord prejudice" is the simple fact it was Lighbearers who worked to put a stop to the Warlords. Guardians worked hard to ostracize their extremists. Ask Citan lol
Where may I find his ash pile and burn marks?
And rarely, some warlords repented, I mean look at shaxx, he was a warlord.
The issue with this argument is that, yes, while the Iron Lords and later Guardians would become heroic protectors of the people. Some Neomuni would argue that the Iron Lords, in their crusade to purge the Warlords wherever they were found, caused bloodshed and the deaths of innocents caught in the crossfire. Drfiter would be one to comment on this, as he’d witnessed chaotic massacres and battles like that back then. But, I feel he’d defend the Guardians. Saying how the Guardians of today are not the same as those from centuries ago, as there is no need to bring the “bad times back” and that Guardians, like us, can change, as we no longer wield light with a black and white moral justice, but wield both with a grey view on things. I’d say, it may take a season of a reluctant alliance and finding common ground. Neomuna may yet be faced with a threat that they can’t hope to defend aginst, forcing them to seek the aid of the Guardians and the Vanguard. After said threat is fought off by the Guardians and Coalition allies, perhaps seeing us fight alongside those who were once enemies, and fighting to save Neomuna and Sol, will be enough to convince them the Guardians are not the violent Warlords of the Dark Age.
@Garrett Viewegh The Neomuni have to remember that Guardians aren't chosen either. Cloudstriders are made. Selected. Guardians just wake up, and death is a suggestion. People like that would be a lot harder to get control over than someone with a guaranteed decade-later expiration date. The next nasty warlord could literally be rezzed tomorrow, but you have to keep working towards the better day. This is what the neomuni don't understand. Guardians don't really need a super strict authority because collectively they've matured beyond the dark age. Like I said, Guardians worked hard to ostracize their extremists. The Neomuni created their own, and then had to ostracized them.
@@rushmeme1166 shaxx never repented, while he has killed some innocents he worked to protect the people under his care, Citan starved his people to keep them in check
The last contact they had with Earth before they hid themselves was that one cloudstrider who actually went to earth and removed files of Nefele Stronghold aka Neomuna aka “new world” from Rasputin’s archives. I’m pretty sure that was during the dark ages and they will have witnessed the warlord’s acts and consequences firsthand. But Jisu stabbing us in front and behind us every chance he gets is a little bit annoying.
The creation of the Cloudstriders reminds of the Spartan II (Halo) augmentation procedures especially with the drills
The problem is people fear power. The people of Neomuna are even afraid of Cloudstriders. That's why there are only ever two Cloudstriders at a given time. Because of that fear their city burns.
The Traveler trusted that Guardians would do the right thing. The Last City is safe because of its Guardians.
It requires trust. Trust.
Not really a great example to work with given Neomuna has done overall better than the Last City with just the two Cloudstriders. I can 100% guarantee that had Calus and the Shadow Legion decided to attack the Last City the end result would have been the same, it's not like it hasn't happened before either.
@@S3Cs4uN8 Neomuna had advanced because it was hidden. They were breeding weakness as a result.
The people of Earth didn't have that Luxury and were made stronger because of it.
Had Calus attacked the Last City there would have been a struggle, but the Guardians still would have pushed the Shadow legion out. After the red war, humanity took back the Last City. Remember that.
@@S3Cs4uN8 lol no, the guardians held every single enemy of humanity at bay since the beginning, while they chilled with their nano tech and vex
@@S3Cs4uN8have they? Have they REALLY? They’ve gone beyond living in The Pod™️ and eating THE BUGZ©️. They’ve forfeited their physical form for creepytechnocloudbrain shit.
This is crazy good and bring a tear to my eye. I wish bungie would put voices behind the stories I can guarantee that having the lore being spoken by actors would make the community feel more in-tuned with characters
Okay, Guardians, nobody tell the Neomuni about Shaxx and the title he's never given up over the centuries. Don't want them getting nervous, you know. On the flip side, the interview between Jisu Calerondo and Warlord Shaxx would probably be pretty amusing.
5:30 That sounds even more brutal than what the children in the Spartan-II program went through with their augmentations.
just gonna go ahead and point out that one of the members of the coven was named Laghari. like Quinn Laghari, the arcivist of the Hall of Heroes. i'm guessing Laghari is the coven-members last name, wich comes with interesting implications regarding Quinn and her potential family legacy. hoping this gets explored in a future season.
I really want to know about this too.
There are hints that it was Quinn herself; she mentions that acting as an archivist is her "community service."
It would be nice just to see her face
@@zfxchip
Quinn's vast understanding of the city's technology, as well as mentions of her body being partially prosthetic that we hear through her patrols are also an interesting thing to note if she was directly involved with the Uplift Coven, but otherwise she could've put herself in the position of reviewing various safety hazards and accident reports to make up for her ancestor's crimes and damages. Either way it'd be cool to get more stuff involving the Neomuna patrol characters, especially Quinn given that name drop in that lore entry.
I'm replaying the campaign with my other two characters and realized even Nimbus admits he imagined guardians as "people with bushy eyebrows and wooden shields" the first time the player talks to him.
Another thing I've been thinking is that perhaps the process to become a cloudstrider might be gruesome and painful on purpose, so as to discourage kids with illusions of power, glory and fame from enlisting. Hell, what if their "expiration date" is artificial too? Like the replicants from Blade Runner!
I've been saying that, it's clearly BS. I can't think of another reason why they couldn't give us a different version of those nanites.
I agree too, also Nimbus isn't a he just a heads up.
thats actually a really interesting idea, i feel like its probably something like that or the 10 year "expiration" is based on Neptunian years, rather than Earth years (given the distance from the sun a year on Neptune would be a very long time in comparison to an Earth year.
@@nathanflinchum1153 If the 'expiration date' were based on Neptunian years we wouldn't have met Rohan and Nimbus, we'd have met Strider and whoever their protege was. Neptunian years are so long that it's entirely possible that had a Cloudstrider been created at the very onset of the Golden Age that they'd still be alive by the present day.
@@robando2922 cope
Now that I think of it, nearly every superhero I can think of has a dark parallel that demonstrates the whole “making superheroes” problem.
The Traveller took it more as a numbers game, the more people with the POTENTIAL for protecting the light the better. It results in many more flawed people becoming Guardians with a lot of negative consequences over the years but in the end it gives both the light and life a better chance of survival in the long run.
Unlike the traveller spreading as many seeds(ghosts/guardians) that could eventually become heroes and protectors, the Neomuni used near surgical precision when creating their two saviors at a time.
I think there is something poetic about the Traveler spreading its Ghosts to choose who receives its gifts - a literal god choosing who it empowers versus the Neomuni who are humans picking and choosing who gets to become empowered and immortalized in their history.
When it comes down to human preference on their decisions I can see where this would breed lots of contempt on the system that creates these godlike beings, and it makes me wonder what is coming next for the Guardians as we learn more about the Light and its source and motives.
It also highlights the value of the Ghosts picking dead people to empower and return. The dead will not hold grudges or regrets if not chosen as a guardian, but the Neomuni - who get trained from childhood to become a cloud strider, if they fail to be chosen their life purpose would feel it was stolen or taken from them.
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Funny how they call us Warlords and some of them want us gone yet here we are helping Nimbus protect them in their cozy CloudArk while trying to also fight on multiple other fronts
Seems though that wherever our guardian or others appear it’s out of drastic and chaotic measures. We are not a good omen.
@@kamewoni Yeah that is a good point. Other than defending Earth itself anywhere else we fight its usually because something is about to go down that needs us
@@kamewoni so they would prefer only having Nimbus?
@@Flamme-Sanabi well they have been able to deal with the vex just fine, the only reason why we are on Neptune still is to make sure the shadow legion is kept in check, I doubt one person with no light and only technology can deal with an army, usually there is two to deal with things like this however we all know what happened to Rohan.
@@thecastleofnothing7074, two were able to deal with the Vex, now add Shadow Legion and that's a whole other set of challenges.
I can just picture byfs guardian putting this video up on the holonet in the tower 🤣
I wonder if the shorted lifespan might be manufactured as a failsafe.
If memory serves, it didn't begin that way - the first Cloud Strider needed to be told by her doctor of her expiration date, and I'm willing to give that doctor the benefit of the doubt. But I can't help but notice that the bug was enshrined as tradition, rather than being fixed. I suppose it helps the Neomuni sleep better to think that should a given Cloud Strider ever go wrong, they just need to run out the clock.
Yea. That smugness. I feel it. Even when they're being friendly and helpful. Like... I honestly can't hate folks like Sid, or Quinn, or Sam. They're decent folks. But Sid commenting on how he figured that if they got involved with Earth again, it'd be them rescuing Us stuck with me. And they did see Earth at it's absolute Worst. Warlords and suffering and banditry. Rasputin unhinged and in full MIDNIGHT EXIGENT mode and so on. But they also never came back.
They wrote us off. All the talk of "Oh some day we'll go back and fix up that mess on Earth," even in that damn kid's show, but they sat around hanging around in their shining city in peace, safety, and isolation. Yea, I think I'm a little bitter about "Warlord". But the Best of them, that Trio(and the fourth woman who's name i can't remember beyond it being chinese?), Nimbus and Rohan, accepted us and work with us.
And in the case of Quinn, hitting on us. Seriously, I kinda wanna call her HR department at this point because the thirst is *real* with that one.
The common theme between the guardians and cloudstriders to me seem to be that you can’t choose good, you let good happen sometimes you’ll make mistakes but you’re suppose to have faith in the fact that they will be good instead of just thinking you have to force it on everyone
a NONILLION nanites is insane. That’s a 1 with 30 zeroes after. The avg human body only has 7x10^27 ATOMS in it
Yeah, that actually sounds like a weak point in the writing.
Hey not all the nanites have to be inside the body.
Like, just because it took that many to build the cloudstrider doesn't mean it takes that many to maintain the body after they've been created.
they're like 40-50% bigger than the average human tho and probably a big portion of these nanites are in their weapons/external armor. It's said a nonillion nanites were modifying their bodies, not that their body becomes/absorbs all those nanites
can you put that in layman's term?
yeah looking at how huge they are id say that number kinda could check out if nanites were atom sised
While I can't say that feeling of smug superiority isn't there to me it feels like the Neomuni, and their governing council in particular, are stuck in that desperate survival mindset much the same way the Last City is. This contrasts very sharply with the glitzy, technologically advanced, golden age-esque City they live in where there is no Great Wall to keep their enemies at bay or Towers to keep watch. I do find it a little amusing though that Neomuna was able to form something that at least resembles a Representative Government in its Council, something The Last City has never experienced having been ruled by a Cadre of Misrepresantative Factions in an Oligarchy-themed Junta and now, after the factions' failed coup, The Vanguard has become Military Dictatorship in all but name.
For me interacting with Neomuna is kind of like being able to look at the Last City from the outside-in.
We're supremely lucky that Zavala and Ikora are good and decent people given the power and trust they have in the city. Most of the City and probably most Guardians would do whatever the two of them told them to do.
Oh god... fucking New Monarchy got basically exactly what they wanted and didn't even get to hang around and enjoy it.
@@steelgriffin7716 Pretty much, and hell I imagine the main reason why the Vanguard has received no civilian pushback with the new Regime is because Zavala has been the face of the government for likely over a hundred years at this point, there'd be a sizable % of the Human population that have never known any other leader.
Had there been a much more recent slate of Vanguard Leaders when the coup failed I imagine there would have been a lot of unrest in the aftermath.
"Military Dictatorship"
Except people actually enjoy living in it
@@MonstertruckBadass Yeah, especially since the militia for the Last City is voluntary for the civilians. Guardians do it so they don’t have to.
@@acgearsandarms1343 I just wish we saw more FOTC stuff. All we really have is like... Amanda and Devrim.
"I have always been proud of you. From the first moment, I've been proud of you. And it was my pride, that blinded me; I loved you too much to see what you were becoming... what I was turning you into." - Strider (to Uplift Coven), probably.
Bet they were surprised when Geist countered them with the Wu-Xi Finger Hold.
@@pcachu How would a Guardian do it I wonder? Solar? Arc?
@@acgearsandarms1343It's a finisher, so probably matches your current subclass.
@@acgearsandarms1343
"Oh, you know this hold?"
"--you're bluffing. You're bluffing!! Maelstrom didn't teach you that!"
"Eh ... You're right. She didn't."
[look of smug relief]
"I figured it out."
[...jiggawut]
_"Skadoosh."_
I'm just going to be "that guy" and say this:
This video was the most educated way of saying "check yourself"
Interesting. Another interesting thing that crossed my mind was the 10 years Cloud striders have. It is almost like 10 years is the life span of the nanites used to enhance them, kind of like they run out of power after 10 years and can no longer regenerate or maintain their structure.
Laghari
Sounds like one of the ancestors of quinn was part of that Uplift Coven.
I wonder if Quinn knows about this.
Interesting how they basically replaced “Thor’s Day” with “Cloudstrider” day. They made them their new gods. Thinking about it more, the Neomuni are kind of like regular Asgardians with their gods watching over them.
Amazing videos Byf. Your takes on the world and lore of Destiny is always a joy, and I’m so happy that you enjoy it as much as you do.
I really wonder if a guardian can become augmented like a cloud strider. I think that would an interesting interaction to see
One of the news reports on Neomuna says some Guardianless Ghost have been visiting Neomuna, so some Neomuni and maybe some Cloud Striders might become Guardians
@@starlightthewolf6612, what if it is Immaru?
That skulking bastard better show up.
@@starlightthewolf6612 I suspect any Cloudstriders that get rezzed wouldn't come back with the nanites intact. And if you were to subject a Guardian to the procedure, they'd either permanently die at the end of the ten years, or any healing or rezzing that occurs would remove the nanites. Or the two conflicting sources of healing might cause a catastrophic conflict and kill them.
If the last thing is true then in theory they could still use light powers and just have to live without rezzing/light healing.
@@ASpaceOstrich I'm pretty sure the nanites mainly heal the body, so I don't see how they would conflict with the Light. But it is true that a Cloud Strider when rezzed might not have the nanites
Byf, you're on fire! The flow of videos you've uploaded recently has been constant. Much appreciated, hope you don't strain yourself too much.
The Warlords of the Dark Age have come and gone. They are all either dead or converted to being protectors of one kind or another (and Felwinter is both dead and a convert to the Iron Lords).
Those Guardians that have gone rogue are few in number and either operate alone or are part of splinter groups being hunted by the FOTC. Some are in the wind; some have been captured (like Shayura); and some are dead, either at the hands of Aunor or Shin Malphur.
True. For the vast majority, most Guardians have converted into the fold of the Last City (on Earth) under the Vanguard or other Guardians orders, in the City as protectors of Sol and our Coalition allies. The only few Guardians that Neomuna would need to worry about are rogue ones like Shayura (as she’s recently been pardoned by Ikora and under the watch of her fireteam. Her trail may pass after the war with the Witness is concluded), certain lone wolves like Shin Malphur, and other rogue Guardians corrupted by Stasis, or the Witness. But, as I said, almost all the Guardians are now protectors of Sol and humanity, as well as the Coalition. Chances are, a grave threat that may require the Neomuni’s council to seek the paracausal power of the Guardians may be the common catalyst that cements a alliance of greater empathy and understanding between the two cities of Earth and Neomuna. Similar to season of the Splicer.
Once The Light and Darkness saga ends I'm Immediately leaving Neomuna
I could feel the passion byf had on this one! Good stuff!
I always love your videos! Always brings me back to destiny 2!
Imagine they have something like UA-cam and they see videos of team mates shoving each other off cliffs 🤣…tea baggings and other stuff
In lore people can watch broadcasts of crucible matches so it's entirely possible
Let's face it, we are all loot goblins with a penchant of making guns out of enemies...
Just curious does anyone know if there has ever been any light bearers risen from Neomuna? Seem odd that there arent any. Prince Uldren was ressed from the dreaming city so I dont think its a distance from the traveller thing. If it was because it was "hidden" whatever that means, it'd be cool if now that its revealed we could get a past Cloudstrider revived as a guardian or something.
Imagine ghosts visiting neomuna for centuries to scan dead bodies and not even telling anyone there's an entire city there
It’s possible considering one of the Jisu Colerondo news broadcasts talks about how there’s been reports of random guardian-less Ghosts roaming Neomuna after the events of the campaign
Tokki's (yet-to-be-risen) guardian is somewhere on Neomuna iirc.
Rohan deserved better so I'm all for volunteering his body to be a guardian
Crow was risen after the Dreaming city was opened, and widely known. I don't think Ghost can go to places they don't know exists. But it can definitely happen now.
Honestly the attitude is very similar to the attitude a lot of the pre collapse lore has. Especially Clovis. I think it's telling that these people for all their hardships effectively avoided the collapse as we know it. They live in a technologically advanced city, in relative piece and with technology that can trace a direct line to golden age gear they had on hand. If a guardian finds something golden age, it's considered an exotic. They never had to humble themselves so they still have the cocky attitude. Some soundbites even imply that they planned to use cloudstriders to fight the guardians if they were to come here, reminds me a lot of Clovis' plan to blow up the traveler.
That’s the conclusion I’ve come to. Neomuna may appear so cocky and paranoid/fearful of us because, unlike the Last City on Earth, Neomuna still had their history and roots to look back on and build from. Our City in Earth? Our past may be lost, but we built a humble haven, with Guardians that have, in more recent years, become more introspective and contemplative about what consequences our actions can have. We’ve learned this since Forsaken. Neomuna may appear more arrogant to us because they’re culture and history from the Golden Age is in tact. While the Last City built a whole new civilization that, in some ways, have learned from the mistakes of our past. As the views of the Golden Age aren’t present with us. Even Clovis, a survivor from the Golden Age, couldn’t fully grasp the different state Sol had become after the Collapse. It may be a matter of Neomuna and the City overcoming the difficulties and differences of culture shock, and learning to work together. The Vanguard, City, and Guardians are willing, as we’ve seen us make alliances with once considered enemies. But, it may take more time for the Neomuni to find and build trust between themselves and the Guardians. The views and expectations from the golden age just can’t thrive in a post-apocalyptic Sol.
Considering half the community is like “Let Neomuna burn, we didn’t even know about them a few months ago,” I’d say the Neomuni are right
So Neomuni's fears of Guardians was a self-fulfilling prophecy? Ironic. I am actually of the opposite opinion. Neomuna is so much cooler than the Last City, and way less vulnerable as a target. If anything, we should move the Last City people there. Neomuna cant be a sealed ivory tower anymore, they need to pull their weight in the fight for Humanitys survival.
We move the people of the Last City either into the city itself, and/or the CloudArk, the Imperial Cabal blockade Hostile Ships travelling into Neptune, House of Light seals the CloudArk off from the Vex, Mithrax gets upgraded Cybernetics from Neomuna Nanites, Mara Sov cuts Calus's Pyramid Ship in half, we await movement from the Traveller. I'd dare the Witness to try and stop us then.
@@markricheard1870 I sawed this ship in half! BUT! With the power of flex tape, it'll be just like new!
@@markricheard1870 earth better
I mean these are the same ppl sending death threats over a video game. Idc how anyone is referring to them. Their horrible ppl. Time doesn't magically change who a person is. Continuous & consistent effort does.
@@markricheard1870 Neomuna not only looks cooler than the Last City but we actually get to see Neomuna where as we almost never get to see the Last City except for a few extremely rare occasions (all of which are now currently sunset)
As I understand it, the Uplift Coven never got the Cloud Strider augs, only the training. They were 10 young people with military training who knew how Cloud Striders operate, not rogue Cloud Striders themselves.
Byf with that Padme reference.
This is one of the most entertaining Destiny videos you have made.
Byf always does good stuff.
Bud the way you word some of of these things are quite beautiful “ cloud striders get their human aspects advanced every aspect including their flaws”
Hot damn I'm early for once.
As always, quality content from Byf.
Oof, I feel bad for the guardian that got crushed by the cabal drop pod at 10:52
Cabal drop pods crush me like a bowling ball 90% of the time...getting to ride in one at the start of the campaign was fun tho
"'Warlord' Hmm? A'ight, I can leave. If you want me back, be sure to send a message to 'The Guardian' mkay? Mkay."
First from the way I read it the uprise cult while trained never got upgrades to actually become cloud striders so the dmg they could actually do would not be that bad. Also I believe he mentioned it at the end the big difference between guardians and cloud striders is that while they choose to do this and who would become one we had no choice the ghosts decided who would become a light bearer. Im sure there are untold stories of people being brought back not wanting it but not having a choice unlike the neomunians. As for the feeling of superiority over us that makes since. we fell into a dark age that stunted our growth for a long time and even during the city age the need for technical advancement was not that big of an issue because the guardians protected the people. Need is the mother of invention but with guardians there was less of a need the people of earth became complacent.
Would have been cool if the witness saved the uplift coven, get some disciple cloudstrider cross over
Yeah I do get the feel that the Neomuni see themselves superior to Guardians. I read through the Cloud Strider Legacy book, and there was a line about how they wanted to "teach" us to be civil, and knowing history, that wouldn't end well
Neokunians throwing rocks inside a glass house
Snarky Byf is snarky, I love it.
It’s a new class of Spartans :p
It's funny to think of the fact that the Spartans of Halo were at least a *lot* more controlled in creation than Guardians or Cloud Striders. One could say the Battleroids of Marathon were also "controlled" but those were literally just resurrected Weapons of Mass Destruction. All they needed was a target to point at. Spartans had to have that time to be indoctrinated. And a lot of that included taking them in at an INCREDIBLY young age so as to wash away any "imperfections" in how they functioned. Which i suppose is what makes Guardians and Cloud Striders interesting. Guardians were allowed that time to "sort" themselves out through mass bloodshed where as the Cloud Striders did not and even then it was only 2 at a time that could be one. So you have a lot more flaws and imperfections in the Cloud Striders when it comes to attitude and mindset.
Which again leads into that question of "Power". And no it's not just a Superhero thing, it's a real life philosophical issue that has been grappled with for millennia. To the point where a number of people will say that "Absolute Power corrupts absolutely" which isn't true.
It's not that Power or Absolute Power corrupts. Power simply "reveals" the intention of the wielder. People will already be corrupted by their own thoughts and beliefs. Power has nothing to do with that. So the question is if the "corruption" is of benefit or harmful. If the corruption is beneficial then you often get people who will go out of their way to try and end conflicts or stop wars. Gandhi would be a good real-world example, but that's mostly how you get Super Heroes. But if the corruption is harmful then you get stuff like the Warlords, certain Regimes and Dictatorships, or so on. Essentially Villains or Super Villains.
In short: Good on Bungie for at least making little marks and story points where they can go "Power" is neither good nor bad, it just is. It's how people use that power that is the problem.
“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.” - Abraham Lincoln.
Just look at Saint 14, Zavala, or even Lord Saladin. They chose to use they’re power to create a haven where humanity can still live. Zavala and Syafi’s dream of the City was a home for humanity, and now the downtrodden, like House Light and Caital’s Ascendancy, and live, not only survive.
I think the thing we have to remember is a lot of what is taught in neomuna is from sundaresh who left us with brey. So we probably get judged based off of what sundaresh spoke of brey. Egos all around really. Truthfully we were primitive after the collapse. Awesome video byf.
Honestly, it's a bit refreshing to have our boogeyman status reestablished a bit. Mara Sov has recently confessed to having a contingency to kill us and a lot of other Guardian VIPs. After all the things we gave killed, these people have every right to be *terrified* just by the fact that we are on their planet.
However! They aren't afraid because of what they know. They're afraid because of what they knew about Warlords, and that's not just false, it's a little bit insulting because, yeah, their protectors had some growing pains too.
I dont really read the lore of destiny 2... so listening to it from you is amazing... however... im not sure if anyone else has heard this or not... but i had something from neomuna civil news come up mentioning that A (i think guardianless) ghost arrived on neomuna.... (ive only had it show up once... and i barely remember that...)
That's generally assumed to be Tokki, a Ghost who appears in the Lightfall collectors edition lore. Before Neomuna was discovered they could feel that the person they wanted to Raise was somewhere down on Neptune but just didn't know how to get to actually reach them.
@@S3Cs4uN8 ah thanks... i didnt know if it had any connections with the collectors edition or was just something that was mentioned just because... so thanks for putting my mind at rest...
Y'know, it's interesting that Maelstrom also had the codes to destroy the Sidereal and she entrusted them to Geist (the name btw, means "ghost" in german, interesting fact), what if the codes were passed down to Rohan, or even Nimbus? It would make an interesting story point to see if they go through with it, and dismantle the machine, what would happen after, or refine it in such a way, that after the 10 years, the cloud striders can survive and continue to live, but with the side effect of shortened lifespan (like, between the full neomuni and the 10 years) and the inability to become a cloud strider ever again.
Isn't Neptune still in the Sol system? Found myself having to just listen now. I can't deal with noob tube/smg gameplay any more 😂
As always, great job on the lore Byf 👌🏻
Did the Uplift Coven have augments, or just the pre-augment training from Maelstrom?
I read it as training, but no augments, which is still bad, but not quite rogue Clouds riders.
Just the training, but I imagine the overall goal of the Uplift Coven was to get access to the Sidereal and just load themselves up with the augs. And then you'd have a bunch of angry Cloud Striders kicking it across Neomuna. I suppose one could argue that the Coven as is didn't sound as bad as the Warlords of Earth- maybe just similar to the power-mongering of the Factions. But it still reveals the fact that not everything on Neptune is all smiles and microdiamonds. They just have the benefit of their dirty business being "small" enough to sweep under the rug.
I think the hidden moment in this is those codes, the Killswitch to the Cloudstriders programing which Nimbus in working with us will see the best in Guardians and look to their city and their 7 maybe 6 years left alive and instead of training a new Strider will entrust us with the city of Neomuna and destroy the syridal
So I think this is the 4th or 5th video from Byf that has the children's program lore. I think Byf just likes to say "one, two, three. eyes on me, niños!" And I like hearing it lol
Hey byf please replie to this i have serious questions and a possible next vid for you. After the riven rade and we take her heart we take it to get cleansed right? After we cleansed it what happend exactly? Does riven go back to normal or does the heart just die and if so why does mara need the heart. And on a other note she has a new ahamkara egg we saw from the season of the lost. Wouldnt it be so awesome if one season we get to talk and interact with a friendly riven or other ahamkara for certain missions or season somthing idk but its all just adding up a little too well
Wow. I actually found the video within the hour
Greetings Byf
Ah, good old Uncle Ben, his wisdom transcends even universes
So I kinda want a spin off game where it take place during the time of the warlords and iron lords. Could be different style of game if they like.
Secondly I've been wondering if in some future destiny sequel we could play in a setting similar to back warlord days where many factions existed not just the vanguard realistically.
There could be several multiple race factions comprised of cabal, eliksni, humans. Whatever mix you can think of. The last city isn't the last city anymore since neomuna. So after finalshape and all that jazz if we remained on earth then people should be able to split into several cities and ideals that may conflict. Would open doors for political intrigue.
Just think: Cybernetically enhanced Cabal gaurdians...with chainsaw swords 😅
I’d say Jisu and other authorities view on Guardians and the Vanguard aren’t too inaccurate. But, the fact is, Neomuna doesn’t know what the City and the Vanguard have gone through the past two years. Our civilian government disbanded and left because they were too stubborn in their ways, Savathun exploited and weakened us last year, the current war hasn’t given the Vanguard time to choose a new Hunter Vanguard and rebuild a new governing council in place of the Consensus either. Not to mention, the Vanguard has to contend with at least one or three god-like immortals destroying an entire city block if they haven’t been disciplined and trained. Fact is, Neomuna is quick to judge an issue they have no deeper insight on. Hopefully Zavala, Ikora, maybe even Suraya can come on the news and clear up the current issue the City’s governing body faces for them to be more understanding. Byf, would certainly pull up a stack of tomes and written essays to support they’re claims. Suraya, being a human who once had biases aginst the Guardians not caring about human civilians, could certainly vouch for us.
Honestly, I dont see things like the Uplift Coven as proper justification as to why "ThErE CaN OnLy Be 2 CloUdStrIdErs" because First of all, the Uplift Coven WERENT Cloudstriders, they were merely trained since birth to become them and became justifiedly upset when they werent chosen. They were obsessed Cloudstrider fanboys gone rouge at most. Second of all, we all know that the real reason we cant have more than 2 Cloudstriders is gameplay limitations, they have to maintain the player power-fantasy of Guardians being the be-all end-all Hero, if we had an army of Cloudstriders running around, the Servers would lag, "Kill Enemy" Bounties would be much more difficult, and i doubt the Neomuni would even need our help at all. The 2 Cloudstrider rule was created out of narrative contrived necessity, simple as that.
There's even Concept Art of a Cloudstrider Army preparing to march out, so at one point, the idea was considered. Halo did this much better, even with the Spartan-4's, Recruits are pulled from Marine Veterans, people who are already blindly loyal to the UNSC, sure some rebels still happened, but this happened within even the Spartan 2's. The reward vastly outways the risk. Cloudstrider Army should have happened.
Even the similar Nanite-Cyborg Devil Splicers grew so strong they were preparing to invade the City. and can you imagine if a Ghost resurrected Rohan? That would be the most powerful Human we have ever seen.
If Exo's can come back as guardians then their's no way Cloudstriders couldn't. I already know they'd have a surfboard whack melee LOL!
I see it as a justification, it happens in real life as well.
Governmental body uses event / group as a scape goat to justify their decision and or rule. And of course they would not want to have many Cloud Striders in the story and lore we have today. They distrust us based on reports that are multiple generations old. Of course they don't trust there to be more than two Cloudstriders who can fuck their life up.
Ahh yes because the neomuni who have seen the wild shit the warlords did would want their own army of super humans do more wild shit
Then when you add on the likes of dredgen yor shayura and other rouge guardians it makes even more sense why there’s two cloud striders
@@SL33PY_3 Well we have dredgen yor and shayura and still do a great job with thousands of guardians. But of course the Sith Rule of Two sounds like a nice philosophy to the Neomuni.
YOUR LAST LINE….. they were made!!!
honestly this sounds like it'll lead to something like what happened in season of the splicer some neomuni start to hatemonger against guardians and we come in conflict with neomuna's people would need a good catalyst though
The current situation makes internal conflict impossible due to the bigger dangers both city are facing; The Witness' next move and Xivu Arath. There will be distrust and secrets, but it won't reach the point of conflict. Doing so would be the same as them killing themselves.
The citizens of the last city had already been shown to understand the situation they're in and doesn't act rashly. Even though they didn't like living with the Eliksni at first, they know they had to. And when the Guardians started wielding darkness, although doubt grew for a while, they still believed in their protectors.
We don't know about the Citizens of Neomuna, but as a city that tried heir hardest to hide in order to survive and avoid conflict; there's no way they'll risk things by starting an internal conflict right now. I don't see them being that stupid. Because yes, they have better than golden age technology, but the Last City is not just Guardians. It's also Cabals, Eliksnis, and Awokens. It's a one sided battle if it ever occurs.
@@allentayoto7387 But once the Witness is vanquished, and the external threat pushed back, then internal divisions can fester. And if that goes unchecked for long enough, well. All it would take is the right Ghost in the wrong place.
What if a future season is about us shutting down the sidireal? That Gheist never destroyed the codes to take it down. Or even wrestling such codes from some villain?
"We're gonna do a Grey goo scenario to kill everyone and destroy Neptune!"
"Like hell you will!"
the whole point of this video was byf heard someone talk shit about guardians and he came with the receipts.
I get that air of smug superiority when I watch your videos
I always thought that they refered to us with such archaic terms was more a result of them being cut off from basically everything that happend.
Well prejudice will always be a thing, but honestly it never really came to mind. Even when people point them out, I just feel sorry for them and move on. Cause let's be honest, we all get that feeling in one way or another.
Does anyone know why i cant see the show lore button on my equipment tab?
Anyone wonder what a couldstrider guardian would look like.
I'd love to see Ghost mention these moments the next time that one News guy tries to interview us, just to get them to shut up. Be all sassy, it's perfect XD
Lowkey feels like the witcher mutation process
What’s the background music?
Just realized Striders and their recruitment program is a lot like the Spartan program
My opinion of the Neomuni is thus far very low, not only have they seemingly not been aware of the city's advancements, they seemingly have no knowledge on our enemies (primary thing I wanted from them) and have very little to no knowledge on what the veil is despite extracting power from it. Sure protecting them is all well and good, but I have to say the relationship between the forces of the Alliance and Neomuna feel very one-sided as of now. Wish bungo had the Neomuni bring a bit more than one insensitive individual and a whatever the Veil is but ah well.
I laughed when they said when we first met them they be removing the guardians or as they say they be kicking us off of they're world I found it funny considering all the threats we have defeated the army's we have torn threw more times then we can count and the gods we have killed they could not know about this but still the fact they thought they could beat us maybe at first but we adapt quickly and always over come the threat
"When you point a finger at another person, there are three fingers that point at you. "- Old Creole saying.
Ok this is like the third time within a week he's read the same lore entry on Nimbus' conversion into a cloudstrider lol. And Maelstrom's for that matter.
How many Cloudstriders are there at a time? Is it a set number?
Most guardians: offended that the Neomuni would call guardians "warlords" because they don't see themselves as unaccountable or lawless.
Also most guardians: literally undermined Vanguard authority by siding The Drifter instead of a legitimate Hidden investigation during Joker's Wild.
Yeah, the average player is a petty psychopath with a god complex and absolutely no understanding of the plot armour they enjoy. You can see it in peoples attitudes towards Shaw Han or the Savathuns Song fireteams.
Are those really the same thing? Cmon now, don't make finding false equivalencies this easy lol
Wake up new byf video
Hey byf I was wondering just as a one off no thought idea. Jisu has a line about a guardianless ghost showing up on Neomuna. What’s the chance it’s savathuns ghost looking for the veil where she hid it? Just an idea
Behind all overconfidence lies an air of doubt and envy.
We are numerous, we have our own autonomy, we have our own freedom. We do what we do not because it's our duty, but because it's our choice.
That fact alone makes us unpredictable, and in a city that tries to do the opposite at every turn, it's no wonder we're both feared and gawked upon.
3:33 would’ve been prime time for Vsauce theme to start playing 😢
I wonder if the 10 year lifespan is a means of control. Like they turn you off after 10 years.
Will never forgive Neo Muna for just leaving us to die out
Rohan will be the first cloudstrider guardian no doubt.
Since exos can be guardians I don’t see why cloudstriders can’t
This may seem like a dumb question, but why can't cloudstriders be re-uploaded into the ark when they're expiring?
Neat!
Always two there are. No more, no less
Hey byf have you seen the updated cursed halo ??
I just watched the video. Very excited for them to try it!
they gota call jack reacher
I wish Sony would give them money to cast voices for these lore books
It's the Red Skull problem, not the Steve Rodgers or Peter Parker conundrum. not when you drop uncle Ben on us.
If only we had Neomuna teachers when we were in grade school...