By the sounds of it, Toadman is next on the chopping block, all because, from where I'm sitting, upper management can't figure out how to do their jobs and take calculated risks? Welcome to the death of a game.
@@minefoxc4015there is such a thing as a calculated risk. In order for line to go up, calculated risks must be taken from time to time. This company is being run so safe as to be falling apart.
The game died just after it released when the vanu won 80% of the servers with 20% of the players and the smallest and least organised outfits during the faction showdown. After that happened and the devs refused to balance the game the playerbase collapsed (and I was one of them). A shame too, as this game had looked good.
Planetside 2 is the Game with the most potential to dominate the hole FPS Market, no Game can provide Player´s with more Action, within an open World Sandbox Environment with combinde Arms & Epic Moments no other Game can deliver. It´s a Uneconomic desicion from the CEO level - all the years - not being aware of they own product & capetilise on it.
Tried playing on Conary the other day, only about 8 people were online across all three factions. And I just really don't want to start from scratch on emerald
Honestly same. Not having all my gear just takes the fun away for me. I don't see planetside 2 as a game where to grind for things, since they are mostly side-grades.
I appreciate your work here, Commander. Thank you. I am a day 1 Connery player. It's sad how much our numbers have dwindled, but we're still here. Honestly, I don't know how I would feel about a server merger with Emerald. We have a very close community on Connery, but I just wish there were more of us like in days past.
i stoped playing PS2 2 years ago. still keept up with it sice i made a lot of mates in PS1 and 2. but it has nothing to get me hooked again and only stuff to push me away... and i am one of them who said "i'm not coming back until hacking/scribting is fixed" still .. it makes me very sad. what a good concept for a game.
Thanks for the report. It's hard to listen to c-suite talk about the games we love this way. They say the product underperformed as if they have no influence of that whatsoever. I always feel like there is so much they could learn if they would try their product themselves or come down to the studios; listen to feedback and interact with the players. But I don't think they ever do that. I don't like this part of capitalism where money has become the way to make more money, by making trades and sales without ever touching the product itself. I imagine it will have to come back to that at some point but who knows. It's just a shame companies invest in things just to treat it as a stock.
Oh god no. Imagine a business major suddenly having a _great_ idea for that game that _needs_ to be impemented. You know, like pay to win or engagement based match making. Data driven marketing would be another fun one to get hit with, especially in combination with p2w. [Don't you hate loosing a 1v1 by 10hp, like the one you just lost? Buy the extra shield subscription for only 300 gems a month now!]
Thanks for the video. I had no idea about toadman having such serious layoffs. Personally for me connery being dead is the biggest reason why I don’t play anymore.
Thanks for the update. We appreciate them and your time. I still find some fun on Connery as we are a small team and that helps us make a difference at times.
Great insights Cyrious. And while I hate to admit defeat in this particular situation, I'm afraid you are completely correct that the game is on the pathway to death. I'm just glad I've made my own difference in this community as much as I can. I'll hold these great memories, forever.
Maelstrom, I hope IRL is going well for you man. Spent so much time on your website over the years leading, thanks for such an awesome community tool. My hope is that there is hope once the IP goes up for sale. Maybe a cool development studio will pick it up.
It's definitely been a wild ride. The best game I've ever played, and it was because of how the gameplay + social led to Guinness World Record breaking and the most intense battles I've ever been involved in. Battle Royale in PS2 itself would've been a winner.
Just came as the premiere was ending and saw the poll. I clicked "Yes," since I spotted one exactly ten days ago, on 8/18. Now if we talk about since then, no, but I figured it still was worth noting. I'll watch the video now!
Thanks Cyrious. I am one of the ones who said they aren't coming back until they fix the hacking issue. That said, there is nothing else out there that comes close to the scale of combined arm warfare PS2 can do. It's a shame the pencil pushers can't see the game through our eyes for a moment for just how amazing it is. I wish someone would take a risk and invest the resources into the game it deserves.
If they had made a BR mode while in queue, it would have also helped newer players, they would lose and go into the continent, while the best veterans would still be competing for scoreboard and certs, and off the main continent. Or they could have made it a new continent or game zone altogether, like sanctuary or VR training.
@@CMDRCyrious I've had a couple new players that just said they're getting lazered and killed faster than they can react, and that enemy players have "p2w cool weapons" and after a dozen times of that they've given up on the game. Some returning players after years have had the same experience and don't want to deal with the toxic part of PS2 salty sweatlords and just go play something else.
@@CMDRCyrious There was that tiny continent in PS4 you could get in it while waiting for queue I have no idea why its not here anymore I think it was koltyr or something like that
The hacking is a pain. I'm usually fine with accepting I'm low-mid tier, but when I hit a dude 5 times with 30-40% headshot and see his health and shield full while he screams medic, I cri inside
I havent floated back to the game in a while...i go through phases but since ive primaried on PC it feels like Planetside has always been there to go back to like ol' faithful from PS1-PS2. It's gonna be weird if it ever shutsdown
Now you all know how we Planetside Veterans felt as PS1 ran exactly this course. PS2 will run as a Money Laundry for the upcoming Year or maybe two and then get Sunset. Planetside 1 could still be running Today, it would have plenty enough Playerbase if they went Free to Play on it. But back then they did not want to take away possible Players from PS2 which they FORCED on to the Planetside 1 Playerbase. And before anyone comes out "but but PS1 was baaaad" No it was not, it was in fact the better game. By a long shot. It had its problems of course just as any other Online game, same hacking problem as PS2 has but that is simply because of how the Game Client Server Game Client communication works. PS2 is running on a netcode which was directly taken from Planetside 1 and only some what streamlined over the Years. But on the sub surface it is the exact same netcode PS1 was using already. And that is why we have the same Clientside issue's we had with PS1 already, but that does not take away from the fact PS1 was the better game, Gameplay Loop was better. You could do much more Commando work. And Draining Bases to cause a population shift was a solid tactic. Or Hot drop between a Red Alert and take over a Tower and just be a menace to the Zerg and give your Empire an opportunity to get a Foothold / Defend a Base. PS2 has always been a Battlefield / CoD Hybrid and Developed for the 2010s Teen Audience. But hey just a Salty old Vet am i right 😊 Nellana RisK Werner / Emerald PS1 (and 2 untill recently).
I will forever regret the following two things: 1: not being old enough or born rich enough, to have a computer at the time of PlanetSide 1's Prime. 2: not being rich enough where I can buy and maintain the company, and the Planetside IP.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I played on a free weekend after BFG. It was funbut i certainly missed out and that was in like 2009. The ship's long set sail sadly
I like how sundees last longer. Now they just need to change the maps up. make the caps more complex so leaders have new types of order to flank and call out. That way it wont feel the same. EDIT : omg i just finished the video -100 from 111 people?! I think they were betting all their money on that sundee update.
If we could talk to toadman we could tell them what popular changes they could do, its horrible seeing this game slowly die while we have the answers and can't be heard
Been playing much less PS2 since this year or so (I've been playing since beta) because playing more the RTS game Beyond all Reason. But this last week I had holidays and decided to play some more PS2 again, and.. I had a blast. As a now somewhat older gamer (43) I needed a few days to get my aim back to some acceptable level (permanent 2kd heavy here :D), but once it gets going, it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed the sundy update. You say they nerfed it back like before, but that wasn't my experience, the sundy seemed to survive much longer than before and keeps small fights going, which is imo the most important change. I love them 12-24 fights, and also when the whole server is fighting in one location, it doesn't feel as punishing to try and start a new small fight somewhere (as a solo player). Anyway, from my limited perspective the sundy change seemed quite positive. Also wanted to remark that this video is a great example of showing that ppl shouldn't always jump on blaming the 'game devs' for everyting, unless you count the C suite as game dev's, which I certainly don't (as a software engineer myself). The actual ppl working on the game don't get to decide that much, especially not *what* they are working on. So if bugs aren't getting fixed, it is not that the 'game devs' can't or wont or don't know about it, it is that management decides it is not worth investing time/money into.
Even if some miracle happens I doubt this game will ever reach a point where it’s truly mainstream again (to no one’s surprise). It will continue on into infinity as long as there’s whales but the reality is a 3rd game which overhauls all the mechanics/graphics/ everything is needed for a true comeback. It’s very difficult to persuade causal gamers to come back to a game that’s this old.
PS1 and PS2 vet here. Ran with GOTR for 10 years, ran their 555th Infantry Division for 4 years. Walked away from the game entirely about 5ish years ago and have zero interest in returning. Seeing one of my beloved franchise's basically rot is disheartening. They had a title that nobody else could offer and they did nothing. Now, because of its state, we'll probably never see a true next-gen sequel.
Ps2 is on life support. It had to happen someday, everyone knew this day would come. Expect the bare minimum moving forward, and pray someone picks the IP for a ps3 attempt.
Played years ago on Miller, On the weekend when i tried to play i had Max 20 players, made a character on Emerald and now play with none of my earned rewards, but atleast i have massive battles consistently, Not gonna spend any money on cosmetics this time. Such a shame to see how the game has been treated.
Its not just PS2... The whole market in general is struggling to stay profitable. If you look at the economy for the most part it's not all that hot, when more and more people are going check to check things get cut.
Roach I miss chilling with you man! I hope the shop is doing well and so is the family. Lets catch up soon, my streaming studio is almost backup in the new house.
Man, we weed PlanetSide 3. I think it could generate big hype and massive battles, IF done right. I still have hope I will play PS3 in my life...sometime...
based on my experience with a similar fate was heroes of the storm. also the cancellation of permanent support some minor edits a little content was brought in and then generally Microsoft sold. it seems to me planetside is more outdated in terms of the idea that this game provides for the role of the defender of the values that each faction reflects. since in the current realities that promote mainly this type of "mercenary" for example such games as "deep rock galactics", "barotrauma", a bunch of other shooters and similar games.
I’ve always enjoyed your content and it’s been great stuff! Don’t worry about being a doomer, that’s just a label people on the other side of the fence wearing rose colored glasses give out. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and bad decisions from the top down have driven the game into the ground. Planetside 2 isn’t the only game in this situation either. Also I don’t think I answered your question from last time so I will now. We’re moving in the next couple weeks and I’m hanging out until Ashes of Creation comes out. I’ll be testing that and who knows what else until that fully launches. As always, hope you’re well and keep fighting the good fight!
Dude I was just watching the Bard stream on that, I am so excited for AoC. Did you play Alpha 1 or anything? Are you going to play the Alpha 2? I am thinking about getting a key. Hope the move goes well, local move for a living situation upgrade? Or out of state move?
@@CMDRCyrious I bought an alpha 2 pack before they were discontinued. I was playing Star Wars the old republic a lot and some people from my guild got some keys as well. The cool thing about that is it won’t be under NDA so you don’t have to spend a cent on it until it launches. People will be streaming the testing like crazy so you’ll have more than enough time to see if it’s something you’d like to get in to or not. As of now I’m thinking I want to play a melee toon, some fighter/x class combo but not 100% sure. As far as the move goes, we bought a lot and built new. It’s literally 1 roundabout down and across the street so time door to door is probably 70 seconds. We’re excited to be in the new place because we designed it and the floor plan is much better. Also having quality materials and craftsmanship helps too.
If the anticheat update was real - and they hand out permabans with a long list of names, i'll come back. If any shred of leniency is given to people who have been actively hurting the game for years with no recoil/esp in a non-competitive fps without match making, i'll never install again.
When Oshur was added and the water was anything but, I sort of just said fuck it. I was really hoping the map would change things up hard. The jungle did (can never remember it's name) So when a map that had a load of water was announced I was excited. The idea that it would be mostly Infantry and aircraft, maybe see the Galaxy transport come back in a ways, Boats even. But then it was anything but that. It killed all hype I had for the game after. If they couldn't even make water an obstacle that you'd need to work around with friends I just didn't see them doing anything meaningful with the game
Echoing other comments, I feel like the problem started when people more passionate about money than games entered the general gaming management space. Once everyone realized gamers weren't just a bunch of "nerds" (old school derogatory tense) we got commodified in the wider capitalist space and (to paraphrase another comment) games got treated like stocks. Less effort. Less risks. Least cost - most profit. Do they not pay attention? Many of the most beloved or successful games were just made to be good damn games. Effort put into development. And some took risks - Digital Extremes for example. What effort gets put into this game? Damn marketing people manufacture every other hype for games. So what if PS2 has no competition and plays in a niche space, hype it up! Advertising is cheaper than ever. Edit: by effort, I didn't mean to diminish development. Some good things have happened. I meant the kind of effort suits need to put into it - you know, like their job.
Genudine on PS4 is still active on the TR front, TRSF rookie swarms, 7WB and DGTF regularly work together, on NC, you’ve got WPGZ, JGMT, and the TRSF equivalent, BCBG, and on VS, you’ve got SIIN, SWAT, and some others, hell, there was a Bastion Clash just last week, TR still fight to win, VS are still sweaty cowards, and NC are still incompetent wage slaves that can barely shoot and move, let alone communicate
Your idea of where this game should go and what the game's owners have done since I quit playing says leagues about why the game lost all of its fun for me, why I quit, and why I haven't seen any reason to return. Why did I play Planetside 2? I wanted to participate in a large-scale war with an open continent or otherwise-large map with multiple battles going on at the same time and players running as COs and NCOs determining where and when to go and players under their wing coordinating towards a common goal of victory over the opposing factions. I was NOT looking for battle-royale or instanced deathmatches or any of the COD-crap that the devs started pumping out and promoting. I quit after Daybreak decreed that all factions MUST have even population on all continents, outfits be damned. I stopped playing six years ago due to that update because I wasn't able to play with my outfit anymore and that was the only thing keeping me playing. This game is no fun solo. If I wanted that type of gameplay I'd go play some battlefield franchise or something like that, a game far better built around that gameplay style rather than the massive and organized gameplay that PS2 originally envisioned. Three years later I talked to one of my ex-outfit mates who still played the game at the time and he complained to me how outfits in general had died and the game was more-or-less just a large, disorganized deathmatch. Listening to you and watching your gameplay video and seeing the changes they made have solidified my suspicions on who the devs were pursuing and it wasn't players like me. Thus, I have seen absolutely no reason to play the game again. Wish I could say I'm surprised the plug hasn't been pulled on the game but I've seen many "dead" multiplayer games that run on company-owned servers shuffle on like a zombie for years before finally succumbing to their wounds.
How much would it cost to scoop up this game after it fails tho. Should crowdfund buying the game out and having a community ran nonprofit rejuvenate the game
Majority of games die, no matter how much people don't want it keep going, as this is an online game, it's will make it harder to live forever, even on private servers. I often go back to a lot of retro games, original Nintendo & Playstation games, these are a different, often more family and close friends fun. You can make an evening of it, no internet connection required and its more social. Only issue is often the tech, older the hardware (Original Nintendo), not remotely compatible with a TV, so use of an emulator sometimes has to do. Mario Kart, Street Fighter & the original GT series is still the family favourite. Planetside is a very niche game, it's not going to be replaced with a newer version due to the cost involved, EG7 only want profit and often sounds they don't really invest much in core development and prefer more acquisitions for short term gains. Marketing is also a know issue for Planetside. Every single owner of the game never pushed any marketing for it, the prime gimmick was too little too late and now I doubt they have a budget for it. This is also why they are pushing out everything they already have in bundles. Some of the rumours all the latest event rewards are existing assets from either another campaign which they never pushed out or the many ideas they came up with until they decided which reward would be published. I doubt any of the content is new. Depending how much the game costs to operate including all overheads, with the financial bubble globally about to pop, will depend when they finally turn the servers off and dispose of it for a dollar. I doubt this will go to a smaller studio.
Moved on to different games... I just wish I did that 2 years earlier... I love planetside but this clown fiesta is not something I want to waste my life away. There are so many good game out there worth my time no reason to spend any more time with with this sunken ship
I'm sorry but what? How can someone look at what Wrel&co did the past few years and say "hmm, I guess now is the time to be a doomer as a couple of patches did not go the way they were planned"? Seems like you're looking at the past trough rose-tinted glasses here. You already admitted you were more optimistic than the game necessarily deserved during the earlier days, and I fully agree with you on that; you assumed these devs knew what they were doing when everything pointed in the direction that they didn't. How about we give these new devs the time to ease into their jobs, to get to know the game and see how they do? From what I've seen, they've been a lot better at listening to the community, which was the core problem Wrel had; he believed he knew better what was good for the game and that lead to some terrible, terrible updates.
to be fair, take this with a grain of salt as I quit just after outfit wars, as I was planning to because I was afraid the game would be dying and I did not want to stick around for heat death. It's been really difficult, and I still watch Planetside streams like simplenub and dokp because I miss the game a lot.
I understand where you are coming from. I disagree on the communication end, we haven't even had a dev stream. I don't see them listening to the community well at all. Wrel did a continent which everyone asked for. He did outfitwars which they asked for. He removed nanoweave which they asked for. Disappointing results on all fronts, but he did what people asked for. Toadmen hasn't really done anything. We have been calling for server merges for a year and nothing. On top of that the C-suite above straight up sold the IP, you know they are done with the title if they are selling the IP for salvage value.
I haven't logged in in 2 years. But I still care about the game, I still love it and poured around 5000 hours into it. It will always be my favourite shooter... So why am I not playing again? Well, all I saw were cheater reports and heavy, gamebreaking bugs lately. All I can hope for is maybe a Planetside 3 in MAYBE god knows how many years, and then HOPE it even comes close to the fun and whole vibe PS 2 had. Sucks.
so the old devs quit/left without teaching the new guys haha ive been in that position in work life. our boss sold the company to another company, we weren't gonna change our old ways for the new ways which was more unnecessary work for us they hired one new guy and we all quit when the new guy got hired and he was their only worker in that moment. the old devs got tired of management BS and all left is what it sounds like. you can see the employee reviews of daybreak games of how much of a trash company it is.
No new content, no new players Love, Hate or don’t care about Wrel. He managed to keep the game afloat. When he left, game over. Once I saw it was pushed over to Toadman games it was time to uninstall and I have had a 20 year run with Planetside and I got to know some of the original developers all based in San Diego. I have since moved to Star Citizen which in spite of awfully slow developments. Is slowly seeing progress. That is my point. Some progress is better than none at all.
is dying finally and unfortunelly 💔💔😞😞😭😭my favorite game i have lots of the triple AAA games , lots of battlefields , arma 1 2 3, none of them are fun as planetside 2 ... so sad, i still play everyday and if u play it usually u see its dying too , sometimes u r just playing alone
PS2 has been such a great game over the years, despite the trouble with balancing and company drama, I'm honestly fine at this point if management decide to formally sunset 2, I just hope they don't make a 3 because that potential wish upon a star died years ago
It’s like with Dust 514. it gets infiltrated by ppl who don’t have the vision to carry it forward and then it spirals down to oblivion (not the awesome elder scrolls). There is ways to add content without disrupting the balance of the game. Dust’s mechanics smoked Planetside, Planetside smokes everything else, and if this goes, all we have is regurgitated crap from the other canned and recycle IP’s. We are seeing the end of the golden age of FPSMMO games. 😢
@@CMDRCyrious no, the problem is CCP Rattati, who took over Dust at CCP (game company) doesn’t understand the Eve online sandbox structure of high med - low - slots, and wanted to make it limited class base structures like other basic shooters, so every time they re-boot it, it dies before it gets launched. Some people have no business being in the industry. They simply do not understand we want the Eve-online shooter, not a failed clone of some other game with Eve-online name branding.
Look I know it's pretty much over for us console players seeing anything new going on with PS2, But I just wish the devs would just tell the console players straight up that it's over. I don't even know if there are different/multiple diffrent servers for consoles like PC but if there are they should merge them just like everyone is asking for PC server merges it would probably make things easier to manage imo considering the fewer servers to worry about the better/cheaper on them as well
lol this just randomly popped up on my feed i havent seen a video of yours in years but i didnt know they did a BR that sucks really if they would have just took everything from this game, put in a new engine, redid the gunplay, and market it as PS3. They could have made a lot of money. It suck game CEOs are out of touch tho this game is really one of a kind it just old and clunky.
Revert the stupid bus update and leave the game be until it dies figuratively or until they grow sick of the IP. No more updates by incompetent devs. Keep the servers up and the usual generic bland seasonal shit until it's no more.
@@iota515 Without implants Planetside 2 would have died years ago due to lack of effective monetization. Regarding the problems that implants caused, they were improved along the years and they are only the tip of the iceberg regarding the "new player experience".
They just need to add fishing and we're back.
THAT
every game need fishing
Solved. Love it.
wenfishing
Oh well about that...
man, that was the most soulless meeting I have seen... fuck greed
11 people isn't a development studio its a fire suppressant team
LoL so accurate.
By the sounds of it, Toadman is next on the chopping block, all because, from where I'm sitting, upper management can't figure out how to do their jobs and take calculated risks? Welcome to the death of a game.
They just want a "line goes up" type of business, risk is not something they want.
@@minefoxc4015there is such a thing as a calculated risk. In order for line to go up, calculated risks must be taken from time to time. This company is being run so safe as to be falling apart.
@@minefoxc4015every business wants the line to go up. The key is how you do that, how much investment will give an actual return is the big question.
The game died just after it released when the vanu won 80% of the servers with 20% of the players and the smallest and least organised outfits during the faction showdown. After that happened and the devs refused to balance the game the playerbase collapsed (and I was one of them).
A shame too, as this game had looked good.
Planetside 2 is the Game with the most potential to dominate the hole FPS Market, no Game can provide Player´s with more Action, within an open World Sandbox Environment with combinde Arms & Epic Moments no other Game can deliver. It´s a Uneconomic desicion from the CEO level - all the years - not being aware of they own product & capetilise on it.
Tried playing on Conary the other day, only about 8 people were online across all three factions. And I just really don't want to start from scratch on emerald
Honestly same. Not having all my gear just takes the fun away for me. I don't see planetside 2 as a game where to grind for things, since they are mostly side-grades.
Same, I didn't jump ship years ago, hell no way I'm going to do it now. Merge or bust.
You're right, none of the EG7 things are unexpected. When I covered EG7 reports, this starts showing itself not long after the CEO shift.
I appreciate your work here, Commander. Thank you. I am a day 1 Connery player. It's sad how much our numbers have dwindled, but we're still here. Honestly, I don't know how I would feel about a server merger with Emerald. We have a very close community on Connery, but I just wish there were more of us like in days past.
i just reinstalled and tried to play on connery, and all the maps were locked. Did i just have bad timing, or is something going on?
Connery for life!
There should have been at least 1 open, but even then there is not a lot of activity. Playing on Emerald is your best bet
i stoped playing PS2 2 years ago. still keept up with it sice i made a lot of mates in PS1 and 2. but it has nothing to get me hooked again and only stuff to push me away... and i am one of them who said "i'm not coming back until hacking/scribting is fixed"
still .. it makes me very sad. what a good concept for a game.
Thanks for the report.
It's hard to listen to c-suite talk about the games we love this way. They say the product underperformed as if they have no influence of that whatsoever. I always feel like there is so much they could learn if they would try their product themselves or come down to the studios; listen to feedback and interact with the players. But I don't think they ever do that. I don't like this part of capitalism where money has become the way to make more money, by making trades and sales without ever touching the product itself. I imagine it will have to come back to that at some point but who knows. It's just a shame companies invest in things just to treat it as a stock.
Oh god no. Imagine a business major suddenly having a _great_ idea for that game that _needs_ to be impemented. You know, like pay to win or engagement based match making. Data driven marketing would be another fun one to get hit with, especially in combination with p2w. [Don't you hate loosing a 1v1 by 10hp, like the one you just lost? Buy the extra shield subscription for only 300 gems a month now!]
Well said.
Thanks for the video. I had no idea about toadman having such serious layoffs.
Personally for me connery being dead is the biggest reason why I don’t play anymore.
Same here man
Thanks for the update. We appreciate them and your time. I still find some fun on Connery as we are a small team and that helps us make a difference at times.
Great insights Cyrious. And while I hate to admit defeat in this particular situation, I'm afraid you are completely correct that the game is on the pathway to death.
I'm just glad I've made my own difference in this community as much as I can. I'll hold these great memories, forever.
Maelstrom, I hope IRL is going well for you man. Spent so much time on your website over the years leading, thanks for such an awesome community tool. My hope is that there is hope once the IP goes up for sale. Maybe a cool development studio will pick it up.
It's been a wild ride commander
It's definitely been a wild ride. The best game I've ever played, and it was because of how the gameplay + social led to Guinness World Record breaking and the most intense battles I've ever been involved in. Battle Royale in PS2 itself would've been a winner.
Just came as the premiere was ending and saw the poll. I clicked "Yes," since I spotted one exactly ten days ago, on 8/18. Now if we talk about since then, no, but I figured it still was worth noting. I'll watch the video now!
Thanks Cyrious. I am one of the ones who said they aren't coming back until they fix the hacking issue. That said, there is nothing else out there that comes close to the scale of combined arm warfare PS2 can do. It's a shame the pencil pushers can't see the game through our eyes for a moment for just how amazing it is. I wish someone would take a risk and invest the resources into the game it deserves.
If they had made a BR mode while in queue, it would have also helped newer players, they would lose and go into the continent, while the best veterans would still be competing for scoreboard and certs, and off the main continent. Or they could have made it a new continent or game zone altogether, like sanctuary or VR training.
You are right on, to keep the 20 best players on the map locked into a BR often would really make the open world better for newbs.
@@CMDRCyrious I've had a couple new players that just said they're getting lazered and killed faster than they can react, and that enemy players have "p2w cool weapons" and after a dozen times of that they've given up on the game. Some returning players after years have had the same experience and don't want to deal with the toxic part of PS2 salty sweatlords and just go play something else.
@@CMDRCyrious There was that tiny continent in PS4 you could get in it while waiting for queue I have no idea why its not here anymore
I think it was koltyr or something like that
The hacking is a pain. I'm usually fine with accepting I'm low-mid tier, but when I hit a dude 5 times with 30-40% headshot and see his health and shield full while he screams medic, I cri inside
I gave up, started a new character on Emerald since Connery is pretty much dead...
I just hope they merge em together one day...
Agreed we need the merge.
Same for the eu servers cobalt and miller, they sometimes doesnt even have open continents on weekends nowadays…
I havent floated back to the game in a while...i go through phases but since ive primaried on PC it feels like Planetside has always been there to go back to like ol' faithful from PS1-PS2. It's gonna be weird if it ever shutsdown
a sad day, but unfortunantly an expected one.
Now you all know how we Planetside Veterans felt as PS1 ran exactly this course. PS2 will run as a Money Laundry for the upcoming Year or maybe two and then get Sunset.
Planetside 1 could still be running Today, it would have plenty enough Playerbase if they went Free to Play on it. But back then they did not want to take away possible Players from PS2 which they FORCED on to the Planetside 1 Playerbase.
And before anyone comes out "but but PS1 was baaaad" No it was not, it was in fact the better game. By a long shot. It had its problems of course just as any other Online game, same hacking problem as PS2 has but that is simply because of how the Game Client Server Game Client communication works.
PS2 is running on a netcode which was directly taken from Planetside 1 and only some what streamlined over the Years. But on the sub surface it is the exact same netcode PS1 was using already.
And that is why we have the same Clientside issue's we had with PS1 already, but that does not take away from the fact PS1 was the better game, Gameplay Loop was better. You could do much more Commando work. And Draining Bases to cause a population shift was a solid tactic. Or Hot drop between a Red Alert and take over a Tower and just be a menace to the Zerg and give your Empire an opportunity to get a Foothold / Defend a Base.
PS2 has always been a Battlefield / CoD Hybrid and Developed for the 2010s Teen Audience.
But hey just a Salty old Vet am i right 😊
Nellana RisK Werner / Emerald PS1 (and 2 untill recently).
There's a free pa1 fan server no one plays on that bega to differ but go off
I will forever regret the following two things:
1: not being old enough or born rich enough, to have a computer at the time of PlanetSide 1's Prime.
2: not being rich enough where I can buy and maintain the company, and the Planetside IP.
A shame PS1 was a subscription game, I might've played it back then if it weren't.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 I played on a free weekend after BFG. It was funbut i certainly missed out and that was in like 2009. The ship's long set sail sadly
Planetside 1 still exists as a personal server ran by some of the PS1 Crew. Its called Planetside Forever Google IT.
Bring back Andy and Matt and give them sole authority in everything, from hiring talent to creative direction.
PS2 Is in life support boys enjoy the last 1-2 years of fun.
I miss this game so much. Connery died before I could finishing getting my auraxium engineer armor :( so sad
63 million SEK savings... RIP planetside
Things were getting bad a year and some change ago, I haven't even bothered playing in about that long.
I like how sundees last longer. Now they just need to change the maps up. make the caps more complex so leaders have new types of order to flank and call out. That way it wont feel the same.
EDIT : omg i just finished the video -100 from 111 people?! I think they were betting all their money on that sundee update.
Nothing to apologize for. You're objective (for the most part), that's all that matters.
If we could talk to toadman we could tell them what popular changes they could do, its horrible seeing this game slowly die while we have the answers and can't be heard
You spoke about Emerald and Connery. I've no clue about either of those. Miller's where the action seems to be - what's Emerald and Connery like?
What's Astropto Capital that you mentioned at the end when talking about the possibility of a licensing deal? I don't think I've heard of them before.
They are who we think bought the Planetside 2 IP. So they don't develop the game, but they own the licensing rights.
The gameplay style and loop is so good it just needs someone with the fucking balls to fully realize it in a third installment
Been playing much less PS2 since this year or so (I've been playing since beta) because playing more the RTS game Beyond all Reason. But this last week I had holidays and decided to play some more PS2 again, and.. I had a blast. As a now somewhat older gamer (43) I needed a few days to get my aim back to some acceptable level (permanent 2kd heavy here :D), but once it gets going, it was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed the sundy update. You say they nerfed it back like before, but that wasn't my experience, the sundy seemed to survive much longer than before and keeps small fights going, which is imo the most important change. I love them 12-24 fights, and also when the whole server is fighting in one location, it doesn't feel as punishing to try and start a new small fight somewhere (as a solo player). Anyway, from my limited perspective the sundy change seemed quite positive.
Also wanted to remark that this video is a great example of showing that ppl shouldn't always jump on blaming the 'game devs' for everyting, unless you count the C suite as game dev's, which I certainly don't (as a software engineer myself). The actual ppl working on the game don't get to decide that much, especially not *what* they are working on. So if bugs aren't getting fixed, it is not that the 'game devs' can't or wont or don't know about it, it is that management decides it is not worth investing time/money into.
Even if some miracle happens I doubt this game will ever reach a point where it’s truly mainstream again (to no one’s surprise). It will continue on into infinity as long as there’s whales but the reality is a 3rd game which overhauls all the mechanics/graphics/ everything is needed for a true comeback. It’s very difficult to persuade causal gamers to come back to a game that’s this old.
Console doesn't even get holidays anymore.
PS1 and PS2 vet here. Ran with GOTR for 10 years, ran their 555th Infantry Division for 4 years. Walked away from the game entirely about 5ish years ago and have zero interest in returning. Seeing one of my beloved franchise's basically rot is disheartening. They had a title that nobody else could offer and they did nothing. Now, because of its state, we'll probably never see a true next-gen sequel.
Toadman already worked on PS2 as a contractor on updating the graphic engine.
we need private servers for whenever this game's official servers closes
Ps2 is on life support. It had to happen someday, everyone knew this day would come. Expect the bare minimum moving forward, and pray someone picks the IP for a ps3 attempt.
You've convinced me. I'm doomer now too. PSForever is our future.
This IP is just doomed to fail.
Played years ago on Miller, On the weekend when i tried to play i had Max 20 players, made a character on Emerald and now play with none of my earned rewards, but atleast i have massive battles consistently, Not gonna spend any money on cosmetics this time.
Such a shame to see how the game has been treated.
Awesome video Cyrus. I hope PS2 get better, but if it doesn't at least I hope for a community server when the oficials close
That would be a lot of fun!
Holding out for Planetside 3
I'm on that hopium!
That would be the best answer
@@CMDRCyrious PS3 on UT5, all the farmers be like "Nooooo I gotta upgrade my potato!" 🥔😅
Does anyone think it possible to bring all the banned players back. Like has it ever been done.
Not all of them, I know a few people have gotten their accounts back.
@CMDRCyrious it would restart the game if the toxic banneds was lifted. As anyone can mass report people. I think that alone helped end the game.
Industry-wide layoff going on. Looking bleak for every company.
I'm a doomer because.. I'm from Connery.😂😂😂 So accurate!
Its not just PS2... The whole market in general is struggling to stay profitable. If you look at the economy for the most part it's not all that hot, when more and more people are going check to check things get cut.
Roach I miss chilling with you man! I hope the shop is doing well and so is the family. Lets catch up soon, my streaming studio is almost backup in the new house.
Man, we weed PlanetSide 3. I think it could generate big hype and massive battles, IF done right. I still have hope I will play PS3 in my life...sometime...
after the sunderer update its been constant G12 errors for me
based on my experience with a similar fate was heroes of the storm. also the cancellation of permanent support some minor edits a little content was brought in and then generally Microsoft sold. it seems to me planetside is more outdated in terms of the idea that this game provides for the role of the defender of the values that each faction reflects. since in the current realities that promote mainly this type of "mercenary" for example such games as "deep rock galactics", "barotrauma", a bunch of other shooters and similar games.
I’ve always enjoyed your content and it’s been great stuff! Don’t worry about being a doomer, that’s just a label people on the other side of the fence wearing rose colored glasses give out. The writing has been on the wall for a long time and bad decisions from the top down have driven the game into the ground. Planetside 2 isn’t the only game in this situation either. Also I don’t think I answered your question from last time so I will now. We’re moving in the next couple weeks and I’m hanging out until Ashes of Creation comes out. I’ll be testing that and who knows what else until that fully launches.
As always, hope you’re well and keep fighting the good fight!
Dude I was just watching the Bard stream on that, I am so excited for AoC. Did you play Alpha 1 or anything? Are you going to play the Alpha 2? I am thinking about getting a key. Hope the move goes well, local move for a living situation upgrade? Or out of state move?
@@CMDRCyrious I bought an alpha 2 pack before they were discontinued. I was playing Star Wars the old republic a lot and some people from my guild got some keys as well. The cool thing about that is it won’t be under NDA so you don’t have to spend a cent on it until it launches. People will be streaming the testing like crazy so you’ll have more than enough time to see if it’s something you’d like to get in to or not. As of now I’m thinking I want to play a melee toon, some fighter/x class combo but not 100% sure.
As far as the move goes, we bought a lot and built new. It’s literally 1 roundabout down and across the street so time door to door is probably 70 seconds. We’re excited to be in the new place because we designed it and the floor plan is much better. Also having quality materials and craftsmanship helps too.
If the anticheat update was real - and they hand out permabans with a long list of names, i'll come back. If any shred of leniency is given to people who have been actively hurting the game for years with no recoil/esp in a non-competitive fps without match making, i'll never install again.
We all seem to think the game is coming to an end, but my big question is what competitor does a game like Planetside even have?
Nothing yet really
I specifically told you that you were flushing your money down the toilet by continuing to support them.
When Oshur was added and the water was anything but, I sort of just said fuck it. I was really hoping the map would change things up hard. The jungle did (can never remember it's name) So when a map that had a load of water was announced I was excited. The idea that it would be mostly Infantry and aircraft, maybe see the Galaxy transport come back in a ways, Boats even. But then it was anything but that. It killed all hype I had for the game after. If they couldn't even make water an obstacle that you'd need to work around with friends I just didn't see them doing anything meaningful with the game
They need to kill off planetside 2, or give us an animated series that actually expands on the lore and gives the world depth.
I saw ads and a commercial for Evil V Evil, it looked like a game no one would want to play. Dunno why they made it.
We can save planetside by buying the IP for 12$ and a high five when servers die. I feel bad for those who bought it for 5.9m lol
Im ok with hacking, its always happens. But im totally not ok with "ping" issues, and damage registration
Echoing other comments, I feel like the problem started when people more passionate about money than games entered the general gaming management space. Once everyone realized gamers weren't just a bunch of "nerds" (old school derogatory tense) we got commodified in the wider capitalist space and (to paraphrase another comment) games got treated like stocks. Less effort. Less risks. Least cost - most profit.
Do they not pay attention? Many of the most beloved or successful games were just made to be good damn games. Effort put into development. And some took risks - Digital Extremes for example.
What effort gets put into this game? Damn marketing people manufacture every other hype for games. So what if PS2 has no competition and plays in a niche space, hype it up! Advertising is cheaper than ever.
Edit: by effort, I didn't mean to diminish development. Some good things have happened. I meant the kind of effort suits need to put into it - you know, like their job.
Genudine on PS4 is still active on the TR front, TRSF rookie swarms, 7WB and DGTF regularly work together, on NC, you’ve got WPGZ, JGMT, and the TRSF equivalent, BCBG, and on VS, you’ve got SIIN, SWAT, and some others, hell, there was a Bastion Clash just last week, TR still fight to win, VS are still sweaty cowards, and NC are still incompetent wage slaves that can barely shoot and move, let alone communicate
Is it true that the devs do not have the knowledge to do server transfers anymore?
We don't know for sure, but the fact they are not willing to do that makes it feel that way.
Your idea of where this game should go and what the game's owners have done since I quit playing says leagues about why the game lost all of its fun for me, why I quit, and why I haven't seen any reason to return.
Why did I play Planetside 2? I wanted to participate in a large-scale war with an open continent or otherwise-large map with multiple battles going on at the same time and players running as COs and NCOs determining where and when to go and players under their wing coordinating towards a common goal of victory over the opposing factions. I was NOT looking for battle-royale or instanced deathmatches or any of the COD-crap that the devs started pumping out and promoting. I quit after Daybreak decreed that all factions MUST have even population on all continents, outfits be damned. I stopped playing six years ago due to that update because I wasn't able to play with my outfit anymore and that was the only thing keeping me playing. This game is no fun solo. If I wanted that type of gameplay I'd go play some battlefield franchise or something like that, a game far better built around that gameplay style rather than the massive and organized gameplay that PS2 originally envisioned.
Three years later I talked to one of my ex-outfit mates who still played the game at the time and he complained to me how outfits in general had died and the game was more-or-less just a large, disorganized deathmatch.
Listening to you and watching your gameplay video and seeing the changes they made have solidified my suspicions on who the devs were pursuing and it wasn't players like me. Thus, I have seen absolutely no reason to play the game again. Wish I could say I'm surprised the plug hasn't been pulled on the game but I've seen many "dead" multiplayer games that run on company-owned servers shuffle on like a zombie for years before finally succumbing to their wounds.
this makes me so freakin salty
It's joever...
Community has just become so toxic, too. Like all the vets are so terrible to talk to or interact with. If I do play, I just play radio silent now.
How much would it cost to scoop up this game after it fails tho.
Should crowdfund buying the game out and having a community ran nonprofit rejuvenate the game
That would be so cool if we could crowd fund and grab the IP and then do something with it.
@@CMDRCyrious Count me in! :salute:
Majority of games die, no matter how much people don't want it keep going, as this is an online game, it's will make it harder to live forever, even on private servers.
I often go back to a lot of retro games, original Nintendo & Playstation games, these are a different, often more family and close friends fun.
You can make an evening of it, no internet connection required and its more social. Only issue is often the tech, older the hardware (Original Nintendo), not remotely compatible with a TV, so use of an emulator sometimes has to do. Mario Kart, Street Fighter & the original GT series is still the family favourite.
Planetside is a very niche game, it's not going to be replaced with a newer version due to the cost involved, EG7 only want profit and often sounds they don't really invest much in core development and prefer more acquisitions for short term gains.
Marketing is also a know issue for Planetside. Every single owner of the game never pushed any marketing for it, the prime gimmick was too little too late and now I doubt they have a budget for it. This is also why they are pushing out everything they already have in bundles. Some of the rumours all the latest event rewards are existing assets from either another campaign which they never pushed out or the many ideas they came up with until they decided which reward would be published. I doubt any of the content is new.
Depending how much the game costs to operate including all overheads, with the financial bubble globally about to pop, will depend when they finally turn the servers off and dispose of it for a dollar. I doubt this will go to a smaller studio.
my biggest fear is the servers getting shut down
Thanks for nothing daybreak.
Moved on to different games... I just wish I did that 2 years earlier...
I love planetside but this clown fiesta is not something I want to waste my life away. There are so many good game out there worth my time no reason to spend any more time with with this sunken ship
I'm sorry but what? How can someone look at what Wrel&co did the past few years and say "hmm, I guess now is the time to be a doomer as a couple of patches did not go the way they were planned"? Seems like you're looking at the past trough rose-tinted glasses here. You already admitted you were more optimistic than the game necessarily deserved during the earlier days, and I fully agree with you on that; you assumed these devs knew what they were doing when everything pointed in the direction that they didn't. How about we give these new devs the time to ease into their jobs, to get to know the game and see how they do? From what I've seen, they've been a lot better at listening to the community, which was the core problem Wrel had; he believed he knew better what was good for the game and that lead to some terrible, terrible updates.
to be fair, take this with a grain of salt as I quit just after outfit wars, as I was planning to because I was afraid the game would be dying and I did not want to stick around for heat death. It's been really difficult, and I still watch Planetside streams like simplenub and dokp because I miss the game a lot.
I understand where you are coming from. I disagree on the communication end, we haven't even had a dev stream. I don't see them listening to the community well at all. Wrel did a continent which everyone asked for. He did outfitwars which they asked for. He removed nanoweave which they asked for. Disappointing results on all fronts, but he did what people asked for. Toadmen hasn't really done anything. We have been calling for server merges for a year and nothing. On top of that the C-suite above straight up sold the IP, you know they are done with the title if they are selling the IP for salvage value.
I haven't logged in in 2 years. But I still care about the game, I still love it and poured around 5000 hours into it. It will always be my favourite shooter...
So why am I not playing again? Well, all I saw were cheater reports and heavy, gamebreaking bugs lately. All I can hope for is maybe a Planetside 3 in MAYBE god knows how many years, and then HOPE it even comes close to the fun and whole vibe PS 2 had. Sucks.
so the old devs quit/left without teaching the new guys haha ive been in that position in work life. our boss sold the company to another company, we weren't gonna change our old ways for the new ways which was more unnecessary work for us they hired one new guy and we all quit when the new guy got hired and he was their only worker in that moment. the old devs got tired of management BS and all left is what it sounds like. you can see the employee reviews of daybreak games of how much of a trash company it is.
Time to find a new game
No new content, no new players
Love, Hate or don’t care about Wrel. He managed to keep the game afloat. When he left, game over.
Once I saw it was pushed over to Toadman games it was time to uninstall and I have had a 20 year run with Planetside and I got to know some of the original developers all based in San Diego.
I have since moved to Star Citizen which in spite of awfully slow developments. Is slowly seeing progress. That is my point. Some progress is better than none at all.
is dying finally and unfortunelly 💔💔😞😞😭😭my favorite game
i have lots of the triple AAA games , lots of battlefields , arma 1 2 3, none of them are fun as planetside 2 ...
so sad, i still play everyday and if u play it usually u see its dying too , sometimes u r just playing alone
I mean PS Arena also had no marketing and died in a few months, someone could have learnt something
you would think right?
PS2 has been such a great game over the years, despite the trouble with balancing and company drama, I'm honestly fine at this point if management decide to formally sunset 2, I just hope they don't make a 3 because that potential wish upon a star died years ago
I hope it gets sunset because I kinda wanna put money to buy it and make it a nonprofit run community oriented game
@Cyrious ...then be a Boomer! :D
Doomer Boomer the ultimate combo
honestly i hope they shut it down, it was good while it lasted we had fun and good memories and its time for the game to be put to rest
It’s like with Dust 514.
it gets infiltrated by ppl who don’t have the vision to carry it forward and then it spirals down to oblivion (not the awesome elder scrolls).
There is ways to add content without disrupting the balance of the game.
Dust’s mechanics smoked Planetside, Planetside smokes everything else, and if this goes, all we have is regurgitated crap from the other canned and recycle IP’s.
We are seeing the end of the golden age of FPSMMO games. 😢
There has been some testing and whisperings of a successor to Dust? is that happening?
@@CMDRCyrious no, the problem is CCP Rattati, who took over Dust at CCP (game company) doesn’t understand the Eve online sandbox structure of high med - low - slots, and wanted to make it limited class base structures like other basic shooters, so every time they re-boot it, it dies before it gets launched. Some people have no business being in the industry.
They simply do not understand we want the Eve-online shooter, not a failed clone of some other game with Eve-online name branding.
Shame we are never going to get PS3
"im from connery" try breing f rom briggs
Sure has been Tomb, good riding it with you!
I'm here! I'm here!
The exploiters are so annoying
If they can get control of the exploiters that would be great
Look I know it's pretty much over for us console players seeing anything new going on with PS2, But I just wish the devs would just tell the console players straight up that it's over. I don't even know if there are different/multiple diffrent servers for consoles like PC but if there are they should merge them just like everyone is asking for PC server merges it would probably make things easier to manage imo considering the fewer servers to worry about the better/cheaper on them as well
Developers must first address the hacker issues; otherwise, if the server is merged, there will only be more hackers.
@@norman4588 true I suppose only time will tell what the devs will do smh
Can't be a cyrious video without giving wrel a sloppy head
Dealing with Planetside 2's community? He earned it man
lol this just randomly popped up on my feed i havent seen a video of yours in years but i didnt know they did a BR that sucks really if they would have just took everything from this game, put in a new engine, redid the gunplay, and market it as PS3. They could have made a lot of money. It suck game CEOs are out of touch tho this game is really one of a kind it just old and clunky.
Also we need A BALANCE not a fucking new audio jezus ... Use this brain buff a littel tr nerf nc and repair a vs because is a nightmare
Revert the stupid bus update and leave the game be until it dies figuratively or until they grow sick of the IP. No more updates by incompetent devs. Keep the servers up and the usual generic bland seasonal shit until it's no more.
I've lost all faith when they added Implants making the difference between veterans and newbies even worse
Implants are cool. And also saved the game financially.
@@renato_n.n I'm sure turning away new players after a level 100 kills all of them still with full shield/health did the game wonders
@@iota515 Without implants Planetside 2 would have died years ago due to lack of effective monetization. Regarding the problems that implants caused, they were improved along the years and they are only the tip of the iceberg regarding the "new player experience".
Play on Emerald
I am a directive grind guy. Not fun without that. I have a BR 100 on Emerald. No ASP yet though. Not inspired to log onto it.
Tell them to give my account bback And i will bring the game back Cyrious .. rember you must have that evil player.
Nah, you aren't BuzzCutPsycho.
I HOPE this game gonna finaly die
Okay, the game is dying.. games do that.
First
Yes you are.