"You are only distracting me with numbers and sparkles!! I'm not an ork!" As an ork myself I feel offended good sir. I only get distracted by loot and dakka.
"The Codex Astartes should be the book you get your missions from." As a Black Templars player I started slamming my desk and screaming because of the implication that I should read the Codex Astartes.
If the Black Templars were a playable faction in-game, I would agree with you, but the game only includes Codex-compliant (or at least, mostly compliant) chapters, so it would fit thematically.
You’re lucky you only played for a day. I got past all of this. Two weeks in, I’m guild master, highest level in my guild, slowly building a fun and caring community… annnd one ship, one enemy force, wipes out not just me, but everyone in my guild. The entire community collapses and I’m left with about three players without enough resources to rebuild. I filed a complaint with the staff on google play, and their response… and I quote… “This is not a design flaw, but a FEATURE to promote competitive gameplay”. Any game that actively promotes picking on weaker factions for resources which, by the way, are infinitely less than what you need to upgrade at that point, is absolute trash. The entire experience left me with hate. I f%#@ing hate this game.
@@pascalsimioli6777here's the thing. Players attacking weaker players for RSS (resources) is commonplace. But it's incredibly stupid, because if you're at lvl 20 and you're trying to upgrade to lvl 21, your going to need an absolutely god-damned amount of material, and raiding all the lower lvl players on the server isn't going to grant you those RSS
That the experience these game does to ya personally i have play 5 game with these mechanic and honestly the first few days were fun but after that it became boring
@@pascalsimioli6777 Oh, right, so I suppose because there's no rules of engagement in Warhammer 40k lore there should be no consequences for cheating in tournament play, either? What a stupid comment, of course the gameplay isn't going to match the setting 100%. How the fuck did you even get any likes?
not really. I buy the PC-Games and the books but never the table top. Even i know that's a thing. Aren't they still using models since roughly (give/take a year or two) of the nids being introduced?
The vast majority of the Eldar range are models released during; 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th edition, since then they have been given no consistent visual updates. In example, the Eldar Spiritseer has had an update released during 8th edition, but before that it was 6th edition, and before that it was 2nd edition.
@@JayXdbX The standard Guardian models were released in about 1998 (the weapons platform sprue was added to the box a few years later). I'm pretty sure GW have released more Primaris Lieutenants since 8th edition than they have Eldar models of any faction in that time.
Games workshop is honestly a cruel cruel mistress, because they will NEVER go out of their way to completely update a model line, and it is a PAINFULLY long time to wait for when an Out of Stock model is finally back IN stock
@@JayXdbX "Not really", "but never the tabletop", "even I know", are you implying that you can only be a 40k fan if you paly the tabletop? Otherwise I am having serious trouble understanding your comment.
Gladius was horrible too. Make a 4X game and take away everything but the part that is the most difficult to get right: Combat. I have never played a game that is so slow and uneventful.
21:43 Deliberately hiding your account balance whenever you are able to buy something is super scummy and manipulative. Thanks for spotting that easy to miss detail they sneaked in.
The fact that it is more expensive to assemble a decent army in this mobile game than when you buy actual models from GW has me in shock. On some level that feels like it should be impossible
“The Codex Astartes does not support this” has never rung more true. GW easily could have made a killing simply by making an Imperial Knights version of Steel Battalion or BattleTech.
@@baudsp we have strategy games on PC for everything but straight 40k miniature wargaming (at least officially) I want more projects along the lines of Space Marine or SH:D, where we break away from the overall battleview and get down into the thick of it.
Josh, I think that mobile MMOs are low hanging fruit but you should absolutely cover them because it exposes the lengths some developers will go to milk players
Agreed. I mean, technically, everyone I ask about mobile games knows that mobile games are hot garbage, but when I ask what makes them so bad, people don't tend to have solid answers for me. Now I have them, all thanks to one guy playing them, so I don't have to.
@@fingusa Yea, and I agree, when devs take big franchises and try to milk them like this, it's definitely worth scrutiny. I'd hate for someone's first impression of the Witcher games to be some shoddy mobile title for example. PS: I pick Witcher, because like Warhammer, it has huge lore/text to pull from to make these sorts of things.
I don't know what are these "Three Kingdoms" gameplay genre called, but all of iterations where "army slowly march to enemy in a base building game" and the player doesn't even see the battles... are all : Time and Money Sink Overwhelmingly Complex Time Boost Rampant and worst of all Duplicate Gambling-gated Fan Service/Horny Content If you wondering why it designed like this, I'll give you a story. I played an anime version of this time gated game which has the initial of a capital Z and filled with girls. Same mechanics, probably more slutty. This game generated the most money when the Koreans, Chinese, and the EN Whales attack over misunderstandings. When they attack each other, everyone spammed Soldier Time Boosts and Healing Time Boosts. In 3 Guilds involved, estimated 10 players cumulatively burned 30000 USD in a single night. I lost sleep as I was involved in the guild and quitted the game right away. Before I quit, I just see how dragged out the game becomes, and how pointless the game becomes. You just see animations moving from point A to B and everyone involved have to see through HOURS of boredom to make sure their number don't go down. The first guy who fallen asleep lost their entire army because the other guy spams time skips Premium Currency. It was just a single night, full of people spamming time skippers. The game has been live for 3 months, and it has multiple dozens of servers. I imagine this kind of All Out War happens daily somewhere within their other 30ish servers. The rankings and time skips are so predatory but it works because these people are horny and childish. They know nothing about the value of money, all they knew is the numbers on the screen and the Waifu/Fan Service they see. After I quit, I did some research on Idle Games and somewhere along the "Three Kingdoms" type of infinite Number Racing Game in a system known as "Battle Rating" in League of Angels. The conclusion is alarming. They essentialy copy pasted the same Code and UI for at least dozens of games by multiple developers. The shop is the same, the prices are the same, the gacha using this inhumanely predatory "Duplicates Fragments" system, VIP System, and the system always needs to make you wait to sell time skips. These game makes estimated average 30000 USD per day, and that money is spent on essentially nothing of value as the next people will delete your character by numbers alone. It has low development cost and might as well underpaid the developers so badly as they just delivers the same game with SAME KEYWORDS EVEN (keywords : Levy, Escorts, Sultan, Goddess, League, Throne, Kingdom, Waifu, Girls, Anime, Fan Service, Redeem, VIP, Recharge, and many more). Don't get me started on the stolen assets Advertisements as this rabbit hole involves blackmailing other company and threatening them with politics should they deny "business deals". These are not games. Nothing of these speaks games. But they are in Play Store. Stay away from these nowhere pitiful excuse of "games". These are the Dystopian Sink.
Before being mobile game fodder they were just strategy games. Not RTS like your War/Starcrafts and Command and Conquers, but actual strategy games where fighting was like 1% of the gameplay.
Sad but true, i am little by little quitting, is sad, that actual games tha tput effort, for example, like i personaly, am starting to quit all these games, of how boring and how little gamepplay and actual progress you do, for example, infinity kingdom, titan thorne, rise of kingdoms, all these games, you start fast and then you stop progressing and then worst is the comunity, one thing is being attack by a player, that is like one or two levels over you, another is being crash by a player with millions of points, and why, do not misunderstand me, even in dawn of titans a game, that is design, to be like that, with the idea of PVP, there are people that thorows money, and have millions, i am a free playere, months, for months and i have several legenday things, but as a free player, i am starting to see probles, i have to scout for someone to figth and low level players pay so low is not worth it, and events i think they tweack events, they give so few points is not even worth it, i am so few to quit. Is sad, because i am playing final gear, a mech waifu game, with actual gameplay, and different game missions, and is good, girls frontline 2, will come out maybe next year, x com stile gameplay, for mobile, and yet those tipes of games, were the idea is more on single player game, they dont succed, azur lane, is one of the few games with very limited single player, with actual game play with not fair but not bad gatcha, and yet, is no were near, games like sultan throne or those. Also there are good games, really good games ideas in mobile, but they are drown, over these boring repetitive things that are not even games, i used to have several like those, i love base buildings, but i progress no where, now i have dawns of titans and i dont even know if i even will continue, the story is not intresting and at least they give you several constructions lines, because i am arriving to the days timers
their ancestor is games like OGame... I dunno why I played it when I was a kid while I had actual strategy games I could have played... but here we are
The browser predecessors were popular because of the stories of people selling their accounts for nice money. At least, that's how it was for people around me. Some guy even tried to convince me to get into it because "A guy I know sold his account for thousands with only a few minutes of gameplay per day!!1!"
My experience was thoroughly enjoying this game for about two weeks, getting into a decent clan and building up my base/army pretty quickly. I had gotten ~3 champs to level 70+, had 4 fleet queues, 3 build queues, could take down level 22+ anomalies and participate in events with my peers. Then all of a sudden I wake up one morning with my power rating dropping from I think ~10 million to about 2 million (As much as my base was worth) as I was attacked by someone with 3 level 100 (maxed) legendary champions and the battle reports basically showed how I lost 90% of my forces and the attacker lost '0'. Literally 0 losses from the attacker. The game provides a system of getting your lost forces back over the course of a few days then this attack was repeated by another player with a similar setup, 3 level 100 legendary champions. Your left in a state of being punched down by players whom paid for the most valued champions/shards and you can't keep up with farming your typical anomalies and resources as you're effectively being reset every few days. I quit after being farmed for 6 more days realizing I didn't have a chance to sustain my base and my clan all felt the same. Everyone got bashed, we couldn't protect ourselves and we just didn't understand how to compete. I'm hoping I had missed a big detail but gave up as so many folks in my clan openly quit and I didn't feel like moving. I dislike most Games Workshop video games, the developers whom acquired the titles are just terrible at making lasting games.
I gave this an honest shot as f2p until my whole army was wiped in a pvp event... i went to see how long it would take to recover and it was just ridiculous
At less you arrive to there i play and suddenly coudnt move anything, and it is tipical of these tipe of games, i play one and they attack me, not one, not twice but as i slept they attack me eigth times, and only like after that they put a shield, it is stupid and dumb
God knows that's a rare trait to have I'd have been thru 20 phones breaking them into tiny pieces and flushing them the sad part is I'm not exaggerating that much 😅 I've actually done that before but for other anger induced reasons went thru a lot of government phones then with my broke ass 😂
Imagine him playing a good game then looking up at his schedule saying "need to record footage of bad mmo". Shaking his head and going "I'm having too much fun now, I don't want to play "generic mmo #11 by Gamigo"... But I really have to." Then his soul cries in desperation when he quits the good game to log in into "generic mmo #11 by Gamigo", waste hours of his life before realizing the game was so generic there was nothing interesting enough to make a video about.
For those who never been a gamesworkshop store before, everything he says is absolutely true. And then when they sniff an entry level hobbyist they convince you to buy useless crap by telling you you absolutely need them to enjoy the hobby.
Actually thinking about getting into it. I expected the figurines themselves to be quite expensive and maybe the paints (coming from other model building I know how ludicrous those can get xD) But what would one actually need? Tweezers, CA glue, a couple brushes, something to clean the brushes and materials are obvious but isn't anything beyond that just quality-of-life improvements?
@@datpudding5338 they show this painting guide, a bunch of over priced ''starter'' paint set while they fully know the minis you're trying to paint mostly only uses one scheme.
@@reka10 I see, so that one comes back to get the minis one actually needs for those paints and hopefully buys even more "incomplete" sets... it's the cash shop pricing scheme irl xD
I can't talk for those in other countrys but in France it's really not that. I once entered a wharhammer shop (only heard of it by name but I didn't know what wharhammer was) and I looked at the minatures, after 10 minutes an employee went to me and asked if I knew about the hobby. I said no and he briefly explained what it was and I got interested so I picked up a random pack with a coll minature at 50€ (aproximatly 50 dollars at the time) and went to buy it. When I did so he looked at the minature and told me "are you sure it's hard to assemble" at this point I didn't know you had to assemble the minatures so I was a little embaressed and so I asked him "Is there some sort of beginner set with easy one" and then he showed me a 30 € ( so cheaper than what I usually wanted to buy pack) with 3 ultramarines a paint set and a brush ( the pack name is assault itercessors + paint set if you want to check). So I don't if it's the exeption but in my case it was far from greddy corporate. I also apologize for my bad english I'm french and English is my second language.
"I love everything about 40K except Games Workshop" perfectly explains my opinion. 270 £ to get all heroes? That's surprisingly cheap for a gacha game. Nice catch with the crystal hiding thing.
270 x 100, give or take. As you need to rank up said heroes to even be useable and you need shards, or to find the hero again (worth roughly 10 shards) you need about 40 shards for rank 1, 60 for rank 1 and so on. I'm someone has done that math out there but it's worse once you get into the system and realize how bad it really is.
Exactly, I compared that price tag to Genshin, and that's a realistic price tag to pull two high rarity characters, one of which you probably didn't want.
@@kaitoshirogane5563 I would add that getting a unit in 40k gacha doesn't have the same feeling than in Genshin. I've played Gacha's similar to 40k and appart from the numbers getting bigger and new skins they don't bring anything else than convenience.
@@kaitoshirogane5563 The thing is that Genshin has a large open world and quests to play around with regardless of the amount of primogems you have, though - this game does not, so you will still be paying for other gameplay features outside of the heroes.
It's mostly a reskin of a game called King of Avalon, although with some features that are expected of a modern phone game. They're designed to pump your levels and resources up extremely high for the first week. It wants you to get invested so you feel more comfortable spending money to speed the process up later. The thing these phone-games never tell you is that they're pvp focused, that gives them the big-spenders (cashcows being able to attack you and wound every unit you own so it takes millions of resources and days of healing to be able to use them again). It also lends to you feeling like you are falling behind and always at a disadvantage unless you spend money, and that feeling only grows larger the more you spend. I imagine these kind of games print money as they essentially produce nothing outside of a fleeting feeling of superiority for the wallet warrior boomers. I played one briefly out of boredom for a few weeks and it's honestly frightening just how large the time gates and resource pools become.
It's the same as with the final fantasy FF XV: a new empire. Same game with a reskin, and a known title bound to bring in new players who haven't run into these types of games yet. Played several of them for a while to see if any would be less pay to win as they can be quitre fun for a while. They're always the same.
Indeed, i play several of those, and when you arrive to the point of it takes days to upgrade something and you have one construction line, it becomes boring as f, i am playing thse game, because dont have mi pc, and the only advantage these games have, is you can install and uninstall and check something ele, very few games i notice diference me standing and not me interfering, very few games, there is actualy tactics and you doing difference, so i loof for fun, amaizing to understand i start with games like those and now i am with two and i am near to uninstall one of the two i have, they are all so boring and so slow, it is depresing
Thats true. It was also has a reskin for Star Trek. I woul not be shocked if this mobile companies sell those Games in variations of cheap, medium an d premium game of that same Idea.
Oh I also experienced that kind of exploitative mobile game years back. So long ago I've forgotten the name. But the basic premise was that you aquired and raised various monsters to battle along a "main quest" line. They levelled up by feeding them food. Food you had to grow yourself on the land tiles you could own. Each building and resource could be upgraded via several different ingame currencies and at first it was fun. But then you start running into battles you can't possibly win. The only way is to feed your monsters ever-growing amounts of food to level them up. But your farms only produced a small amount of food per real Earth day even with upgrades. It would have taken a week or more of clicking twice a day to level up one of several monsters. But of course there was a shop, a demo of which you were introduced to during the tutorial, in which you could buy premium currency to purchase food or rarer/stronger breeds of monster. I wasted perhaps around a tenner before I realised what was happening then uninstalled the game in absolute disgust. I haven't touched a mobile game since.
I love your comment about a free Space Marine. I just walked into my local shop on Saturday and they gave me the free Ultramarine. They also gave me a box with a free rule book, another Ultramarine, and a Tyranid Termagant. I thought oh wow cool, I can practice painting a few figurines before I commit to buying a figurine of my own. Then they tried to get me to buy an Adepta Sororitas Combat Patrol for $150 and a $60 Rhino Tank once I mentioned I was interested in buying a single Canoness for like $20. I just thanked them for the free gifts and left. I was just trying to learn how to paint a figure before I got into the hobby. I told them I was new and that I would try to paint the Ultramarine before committing to the hobby. I felt like they kind of cornered me into making a purchase, which I would have done on the Canoness if they weren’t so aggressive about getting me to spend 10x that amount on something I didn’t want. As a person who isn’t even sure they want to get into the hobby, I found it really off putting to recommend something that expensive. I was expecting them to be a lot more helpful. I think I’ll just order online from now on.
The thing that baffles me most is that there's millions and millions of players who DO engage in these types of games. Like... I know they're designed to be exploitative, but that's not a secret. It's kind of a common knowledge by this point yet ppl still fall for them time and time again. Hell.. the revenue for mobile part of the market is off the charts.
It's because these start out fun. A lot of them have a option to bill your phone provider so when kids hit the pay wall they can charge their account and the parents don't find out until the monthly bill comes in.
Because these are 5m games, they are designed to be played in short bursts, most players are full F2P with then the usual marine life ecosystem up to the whales that are a small minority. They also have very little upkeep meaning they dont need "millions" of playing customers, 10k would be more that enough to turn a profit, this is why mobile is very profitable ... not because of "predatory practices" but because of large install base, relative low investment cost plus low upkeep costs. I will say this, he played the game *wrong* since he approached it like a typical single player game/MMO and these are not such games, these are mobile games were gameplay is designed to be short are the typical player will spend maybe a hour in 5-10 minutes play bursts and he even admitted it were he talked about how for the "casual" player the game is fine before approaching it like a hardcore gamer but these games are not intended to be played for hours at a end, as a mobile game this is kinda "sun is hot, water is wet" because it have a stamina system like about every mobile game in existence but he didnt say anything HOW does it work, if it recharges fast or slow, in order to actually talk about a mobile game you really cannot just "speedrun" to the end (for free), a lot of system issues will only became apparent when you are deep in the system. Yes, they will sell you the shortcut that makes the typical r/MMORPG user *rather upset* but this is a mobile game, not a MMO or a single player game, as much I enjoy his reviews .... well, he played the game *wrong*.
"I love everything about 40K... EXCEPT Games Workshop." Couldn't agree more. You summarised my entire feelings about this game (and what used to be Warhammer fantasy battle and the other older games) in just ONE SENTENCE. The Emperor is pleased with this one.
"It gets good once you are a week in" not it becomes grindy as fuck and you get constantly raided by whales with no chance to defend against someone 27 times your powerlevel. The alliance system (guild/clan what ever you want to call it) reduces the grind a tiny bit, but not enough to make this game worth it. STAY CLEAR and hope the Inquisition dispatches this filth in the near future.
@@kennyhouser3467 you're definitely missing a few unless you just mean new ones. DOW 1&2, space marine, Space Hulk, Mecahnicus, Necromunda, BGA 1&2 and a a few more I'm missing are all better than Inquisitior martyr
23:29 Also note that even though you no longer have enough crystals to buy that particular upgrade, the button in the pop-up window isn't greyed out - I assume because clicking on it will automatically direct you to the shop to buy more.
Your opening clarification hits hard. There was a brief moment in time after they canned the former CEO who said that they were a miniatures company, not a game company where they looked like they were going to actually be a decent company. Started to move towards consumer friendly practices. The pricing was still rubbish, but they were taking steps in other ways to not be trash and started to win back customers that they lost to other games. Recently (within the past 5 years or so), they started to slip back into their old habits. It just so happened when they started to see constant growth (or at least stability) in their market share. Where other games started to make some missteps. The last straw was their view on video makers. I'm not buying their plastic crack anymore, and I'm not buying their books (I'm still going to read them though).
I feel this. I was around for a couple years of the rebound before life got in the way (opening your own business kills the free time). They were genuinely going in a good direction, and I started looking to get back in about half a year ago after seeing brilliant new models for adeptus mechanicus and dark eldar. But before I could, this entire fiasco blew the facade off. I don't need or watch the various lore or animation channels, because I've been in the hobby for nigh 2 decades, but the entire principle of the matter compels me to give GW the finger. I will most likely not get back into the game at all. If I do, it will not be via purchasing from them. Until then my Legio Cybernetica army (all genuine forgeworld) will continue to gather dust.
I'm new to 40K, started getting interested during 8th edition. Then GW told me, a paying customer with plans to spend quite a bit more, that I'm not welcome in warhammer because of opinions I have every right to hold. I absolutely adore the world of 40K but I'll never give GW another dime. Dark Miniatures on the other hand...
It's truly wonderful to watch someone drop their nerd card so hard, especially when they then tap it for mana and summon something bigger off the back of it.
19:10 Not to mention that the only way to level up heroes is to get their shards, which is to say GET THEM AS DUPLICATES. To actively level up any of your legendary heroes, you have to make that 1 to 2 percent roll AGAIN. AND AGAIN. Hiding crystals is absolutely scummy, wow. I do wonder though, does that number vanish during other upgrade screens where you can pay crystals...EDIT: No, they're only hidden in the research screen. YIKES.
I remember when this was first announced and I put down to test it's Alpha stage, the only parts they were showing was the weird combat minigame, gave you a completely different impression of what the game would be. They almost completely lied about the final product and what it would be.
its very clear there was at least one person who genuinely loved warhammer mkaing this game, and they probably cried at how much they were made to butcher it
I'm familiar with a lot of shady and trickery gacha games are doing here in Asia but damn, that part about hiding the total amount of crystals you have in the upgrade screen at 21:50 is the new low to me. It is just sad that we aren't being seen as a valued customer anymore. In their view, we are just a pile of resources waiting to be exploited by any means necessary.
My favorite part about playing Warhammer 40k is that I got all of the fourth edition compatible books for dirt cheap, and I just proxy in the miniatures. I'm sure I'm missing out on the thrill of intending to paint miniatures while trying really hard to not paint miniatures, but I just devote that energy into not crafting terrain out of all of the cool pieces of foamboard and styrofoam I've been collecting instead.
@@dereenaldoambun9158 They finished the game before shipping, because they knew they had only one chance to do it right, and publishers understood that shipping an unfinished game would most likely result in all cartridges getting returned. Well, for CD-games later on there were gaming magazines with content CDs where you had to hope that it had patches for games that you have, but even back then games needed far less patching than games today. It is amazing how the lack of bugtesting/polishing and lack of publishers caring about shipping a finished product correlates with how easily accessible patches have become with the internet and services like Steam.
Now I'm not suggesting that you should illegitimately 3D SLA print your own models to no longer feed the corporate horror that is GW, just saying that totally unrelated SpaceMace 50000 models are also looking quite neat.
Not just marines either 😏 There's some really kickass, just different enough to avoid copyright infringement Necrons, Nids, Eldar, Chaos, and T'au too. In all honesty, if you're playing with friends or don't play at all and just enjoy building and painting, who cares anyway, right?
@@fricki1997 Depends on which chapter/faction you're looking for. I did a Primarchs set and the names were... Hilarious and awkward, but a bit accurate.
@@fricki1997 Esty, for all it's drawbacks, is a good place to start your search for pre-printed. Is there any particular model or named character you're looking for or just want to look and see what you find? Once you get a printer there are discords that people sail the high seas on if you catch my drift lol.
I have some lore questions here: - When your battle barge is lost, where is this space dock thing coming from? Would it not make more sense for the upgrades to be repairs to the ship, X-Com 2 style? - Would misplacing a battle barge not be a mayor problem for any chapters? If I remember the Devastation of Ball correctly a first founding chapter like the Blood Angels have a total of two battel barges (OK in "Darkeness in the Blood" a third one is in construction but Dante is considering handing one of the old ones over to one of the successor chapters in turn)
Your first question: it would make more sense that way, but it can also be due to any number of warp trickery. Time anomaly, warpstorm swallowing a space port, remanents of a forge world, STC,.... lore in 40k as Josh said is more of a guidline, with many deus-ex-machina moments
As for your second question: it is. Not many forge worlds can produce space fairing vessels but there are entire companies and chapters MIA througout the Imperium in that way. A problem, sure.
1- Yes that would have been a better design choice, but likely has limitations on animation. However, they could have done the initial upgrades to the Battle Barge and then introduced an expansion of the fleet at a later point in the story line. Very likely that would have required more development time and they just jumped to that mid-point, and animated forward from there. 2 - Perhaps it was also lost in time, so we now have two of them floating around or it is hundreds of years later and people just... dealt with the absence. One of the beautiful horrors about 40K is the paperwork, oh the Imperial Paperwork, so it is entirely possible no one back on Terra has even been notified of a problem. Would not be the first time the Warp has ate up a ship only for it to re-appear hundreds of years later and people to be like - huh, didn't even notice you where gone! Sort of remember it happening to a whole extermination fleet, in the case of Tau.
As to the second point, yes it would be a major problem, if they notice it. Since the warp is a screwey place, where space is made up and time doesn't matter, the barge can be taking slightly longer to come out on the end or it might be gone for 3000 years, and the people in the barge can feel the effects either way.
This is just the same type of game I first saw some ages ago on websites. Click an option, watch a timer, repeat, then get out of newbie protection and become resource fodder for the pay to win players. There's no gameplay in it and never has been no matter what name or setting the "game" had. You can still make a game that lets people pay for certain things gaining you an income AND include some damn gameplay, it's not that damn hard yet companies never do because they don't have to, people still "play" their game and spend money when it's as empty as a skeleton with osteoporosis.
Josh played this for about 8 hours and then spent days to fill this clip with every warhammer reference known to sane man. And then added some more. I'm impressed, concerned and terrified by his determination.
I remember the last time I tried to rekindle my enjoyment of 40k, went into my local store planning to drop £500 on models, paints, codex and new rule book. While I was looking through the stock the staff member came over and wouldn't stop bugging me with every question you listed ad nauseum. After about ten minutes I picked out my codex, models, paints etc and went to the till. The staff member proceeded to shit on the army (Tau, shut IT I like the design :-p ) and tried to convince me to buy the latest Space Marine release instead. After five minutes of my repeated refusal to change my mind and their constant pushing I just walked away from the till. I have continued to buy for others as a commission painter but I refuse to return to the hobby myself. When the staff members approach I tell them to walk away as I'm picking up for someone else and have a list.
Better off buying from one of the many discount 3rd party retailers out there, you avoid the GW customer experience and get the models at 15% off or more, depending on your location in the world.
@@malakye7459 you raise a fair point. Sadly back then the only third party retailer near me was just as bad (if not worse). Walkmin their shop and the owner would pounce on you and do everything in his power to relieve you of your money (excluding going as far as picking your pocket, but I wouldn't have put it past him). Was a horrible place to try and be part of the hobby. Sadly after I moved the closest GW is run by a gate-keeping vulture and our local third parties barely stock anything because of how controlling and overtly toxic the retail arm of GW has become (demanding at minimum a monthly stock order of £2000 from a small retailer who is lucky if he can shift £500 worth of plastic crack in a month)
Sadly the 'push the latest space marine box' was probably a command from on high in the company. I've heard from ex-staffers that they're under orders to push space marines hard, especially now because GW are constantly releasing new Space Marine stuff so if they get you hooked on Space Marines you're more likely to buy more stuff. HOWEVER that doesn't excuse the shit sales tactics used by that staffer because you'd think that they'd be happy with you coming in and dropping large amounts of cash on anything. Whereas if you buy, say Tau (like you did) you'll probably buy it, maybe pick up some new models when the new Codex comes out and then you're done.
@@luketfer yea I've spoken to a few more conversational GW employees over the years who openly admit they are told they have to push the latest releases as much as possible and (in a couple of cases) have to hit a quota of sales on the new releases and Marine items or face being moved to a new store/let go. Odd this with the Tau is that it's not a "one a done" thing as you can always build up something epic with them (I've done a couple of 10k point armies for customers before, bloody insane numbers). The sales tactics are horrible no matter the reason but overall it's the desperate position they put their staff in that causes it. GW as a company are quite toxic to its customers and staff overall..from sales to the creatives themselves.
This is why I love this channel, Josh is objective and thoughtful so his criticism always has weight. He is the type of person who when he speaks about games, I listen.
Oh man, I played this game for about 3-4 months, the first month being completely sucked into it (and purchasing the $5 second build queue BS,) and then eventually treating it like a daily 20 minute chore until the end where I realized I didn't log in for a week and didn't care. What kept me going that long was the Alliance that I randomly joined, which just happened to be the second strongest on our new-ish server. That was the best aspect of this game, honestly. But, these types of games are made exactly the same as they have been for over a decade and the whales pretty much blew all competition out of the water, bullying the smaller Alliances, and basically dominating the sector. My Alliance held out, offering what miniscule competition we could. Then there came a point about 3 months in where it seemed like an all out war was about to break loose. A shadow council of abused Alliances versus the oppressor. Our leader messaged us early one the morning telling us to prepare for imminent war. That was the first bit of excitement I felt in this game, queuing up hundreds of troops, stocking up on combat items, researching all the military tech. And then the time came. And nothing. Apparently, the top brass of the different Alliances in play got together, forged an agreement, and now my Alliance was basically the top dogs' lap dog. They forced a Discord merger so they could keep tabs on us. They sent one of their members to join our Alliance so they had an eye on us. And our leaders just went along with it to "preserve the peace in the sector." So disappointing, which is exactly how I would label this game. All that time and effort and it all just turned into a sad old neckbeard's recreation of high school lunchroom politics.
Yeah, they get people with addiction. But, interestingly addiction (without the use of drugs) only lasts a few days, so if you quit playing for a week you'll realize you didn't like it.
Sounds very similar to my experience with a game called Ants: Underground Kingdom. It's another one of these builder games where you build and upgrade your base and join alliances with other players. The server I was on was very non-toxic. Everyone who was active in the chat got along very well and if anyone would try to disrupt that peace they were quickly dealt with. There was even an agreement with the top 10 alliances that we were not to attack each other. My alliance was number 3 in overall power. Then not too long ago, someone in the top alliance became very toxic. Started attacking my alliance for really no reason at all other than a simple misunderstanding. Got so bad that we had to change servers. Granted the next server we were in was just as peaceful but at that point I realized I just wasn't playing much anymore. So I said my goodbyes to everyone, which was honestly quite hard cause I had made a lot of friends there. I stuck around the discord for a bit though thinking maybe I'd start playing again. Then the old leader of the top alliance showed up and started causing trouble in the new server. So that was the end of that for me lol.
Had quite the similar experience but the people I met there in the alliance I joined were nice and ultimately were what kept me for a while - at least until the chore phase hit me after two months or so. Thank goodness that I grew up in a lower-class family and got taught to not make stupid expenses without proper justification early on - else I might actually have bought something
Omg I had a similar thing happen in another game. I started up a guild in Lords Mobile and we were riding high for weeks, while the vast majority of players were new we were able to snag some veterans and they helped the guild get stronger together. We had a few fights with other guilds in the server but it was mostly even and all in good fun. Then this guild of whales moved to our server and immediately started dominating. You could tell they were whales cause they would pay extra to move their troops faster... ALL THE TIME! Their armies were always maxed out and no matter how badly you beat them down they immediately had a fully restocked army and rebuilt base. So I coordinated a server wide assault on this guild, must have been like 6 guilds total against this one guild of whales... I put out the call to arms, told everyone when the day the attack would happen and honestly it was really exciting, felt like taking back our land from foreign invaders. Day of the attack comes and we all send our armies to the whale guild's main base... And it's just not enough! I'm talking DOZENS of armies all attacking the same target... And nothing broke through. It was ridiculous. We easily had them outnumbered 5:1 yet no one could deliver the final blow, then they started sending out counterattacks... Which was insane because we had depleted our armies trying to attack them, so how did they have a fully rebuilt army while we all scrambled for new troops... It's cause they were pouring an ungodly amount of money into the game to the point they were untouchable. The coordinated raid failed, and I had to discuss peace with them where they kept making fun of us for being so weak... That's when I realized that game isn't meant for people like me who like to strategize and overcome obstacles, it's for people who are willing to drop thousands of dollars into a game to FEEL like they're military geniuses. I left the guild and game shortly after, it just felt so pointless to keep going when my efforts could be voided by someone with a bigger wallet.
1% being the standard, anything more always seems pretty good. Then again it's not specifically the gacha rates that makes Arknights good there, it's that lower rarity doesn't mean worse units they're usually just more niche.
I wouldn't know as an Azur Lane player, especially since the game gives me enough pulls for it to ultimately not matter and have plenty for the next banner, while giving time to get more pulls. That's why I reward them, and myself, by getting skins.
@DrWild Ah no, I meant it the other way. Arknights Gacha rates is like 2% for a 6 Star, and 8% for a 5 star so it's actually pretty high in comparison to much gacha. I was saying I don't understand what it's like to have low rates. However all of us Gacha players understand the pain of never pulling what you want. Nightingale come home please
@@KanaKujo Yeah I really do like that Arknights is skillful enough that you can clearly the vast majority of the content with a low operator team and often without too much difficulty.
@@HowlingDoom Alchemy Stars is the same way. I legitimately dont feel the need to spend, and I used to be a gacha addict when FGO and Fire Emblem Heroes were big. Same rates on 5 and 6* heroes, and easy ways to accumulate premium currency is a winning formula imo
One positive I found is that the khorne character in the beginning is an actual kitbash that people do. They even got the detail down where the head they used is actually slightly smaller than a regular chaos marine head. So someone there knows a good amount about 40k
7:22 this is a really good point, as this allows for a lot of creative freedom both officially and homebrew. The specified times for events allows players to choose specific themes and events for their stories, but the lull in time between these events allows for literally anything to happen so long as it’s something that doesn’t affect the entire Galaxy (such as in the case of TTRPG games in the settings having players twart like a demon prince being born or insurgence of a traitor Primarch)
Auto play is such a strange thing to have in any game, why bother having the action at all if you can just choose not to do it? Also they seriously required more input to "claim" things after the battle than in the actual battle.
He fails to show it in the video but the auto-battle has time multipliers. You won't be using auto-battle on later levels because you have to strategically time your hero skills and troop drops. Also, he exaggerated the drops and there are buttons to claim everything.
I mean autoplay is fine for games that focus entirely on team building and pre fight planning, but those games are more strategy game and need to have a large amount of diverse abilities, attack patterns, etc.. to work. This game has none of these features tho.
@@claytongrubbs173 I'm shocked, seems like the type of game that transitions from auto-win to pay-to-win. You can appreciate the skill of someone who beat bloodbourne but so far if someone beat Raid: W40k legends id mainly be curious how much it cost and whether it was challenging at all.
0:25 Have you considered that perhaps by sacrificing your PC you've not only murdered its machine spirit, but inadvertently committed tech heresy and _possibly even summoned a daemon???!!!_
Not expensive compared to other hobbies. Just slow grow an army and it's very manageable, unless your really tight on money. Also buy from third party sellers, not from GW.
@@Th3D4nny people also always go straight for full armies instead of games like kill team or Warhammer underworlds which have much less barrier to entry.
@@Th3D4nny regardless it’s expensive as all hell. It’s doable but considering I already have expensive hobbies (gaming and guitar) there’s no way I’d be able to fund warhammer. The startup cost is very high and the upkeep is more manageable once you are established. I decided long ago I won’t play it until it’s reasonably priced. If that never comes, I won’t play. I tried to play in high school but it wasn’t sustainable
I had an army of IG just themed around savaging parts of other armies. It was fun mixing in other army parts. Lot of t'au shoulder pads and nids claws on arms baraka style
I never play mobile games, so these video's are an absolute treat. They use every trick in the psychology book to get players hooked and suck them dry.
"Even the Adeptus Mechanicus would call this excessive." OMG... I laughed so hard. I'm just getting into Warhammer... learning the lore... and that's hysterical.
@@Amahankage2004 FGO's gacha is definitely not worse than genshin's, especially when genshin's has a separate weapon gacha, at least our CEs are in the same gacha as our waifus/husbandos
But the novelty wears off rather quickly. DoW vanilla uses a rock paper scissor system, UA just wants you absolute lorefriendly to steamroll the enemy.
The instant upgrades at the start are because your vip level gives you a certain amount of time where you can speed up upgrades for free. At the start if there's 5 minutes left then you can finish the build.
This video is why I subscribed to you. I want to see more from you over mobile games. F2p games for a long time were an addiction to me. I made my way out and it's no longer an issue for me. I would love to see more on the mobile genre because as predatory normal release games can be mobile games take the cake
The bit that broke me when I tried the game out was when I spent all that time building my army up then the pvp protection 'potion' wore off and I logged back in one day and to my surprise my whole base was utterly devastated. Oh well *uninstalled*
I had the second most powerful clan on the game in our server, and i made it while being free to play, managing with diplomacy and the outstanding effort of the team, it took 3 whales and one lie from the 4th clan to fuck up everything, and the 1st clan to destroy the competition conveniently ignored the rules we all agreed on "server wide" the survivors merged with the 3rd best clan and we waged a mass crusade against the server that felt like the Horus heresy all over again crippling everything and letting it rot... The MFs paid their way out of the grave and restored most of the clans... And basically putting baby clans that are all allied with each other... So the server is a vegetable in a coma
@@juliane.mfarias9285 i served the server with my inner circle, someone decided i wasn't fit for the role, He didn't win, but convinced some whales with dreams of grandeur, believed to have won but Still underestimated my influence in the server, After a week of their management, hell knows how many factions have formed in protest, However we managed to mount an opposition strong enough to cripple the server
@@juliane.mfarias9285 lol, i have covered pretty much almost every major role in the Horus heresy, it was a blast let me tell you, but it didn't last long, and i had like 2-3 hours of sleep every day for a week to keep the heads rolling
@@drwilyecoyote5357 couldn't agree more... What's better is that you had your fair share of fun crippling it while karma catches up to those that paid hundreds of $, all while not giving away a single penny And
The proper lost crusade experience would be manually browsing through a word-heavy codex and trying to apply the advice with your limited resources without the game telling you what is "right" or "wrong"
I always cry over Game Workshop's handling of Intellectual Property. While the 'carve it up and shot-gun it out' approach has some benefits, those are quickly lost if one does it over and over and over and over again. Game Workshop long past the point of too much a few years ago, in my opinion, and it has failed to capitalize on the successes that could have carried the company into the digital world. All of us here can picture at least one 'done right' computer series that quickly came to a sudden end because Game Workshop had no intention of follow through. But what do you expect when they constantly hide behind the defense of 'we just make models?'
GW has basically two rules to the IP, They get a cut of the profits and any intellectual property you use needs to be funneled through GW so it represents something GW has already trademarked.
the fact that GW allowed (and paid money for) this abomination to exist but killed so many fantastic fan projects (that were free advertising for them), just saddens me. R.I.P TTS
Agreed. All they saw was money content creators made through their own creativity and hard work and felt they were entitled to it. Ignoring the fact that there are people like me(and possibly you) that were drawn to the setting by those content creators rather than anything GW did themselves and it feels even more grimy. It is quite literally the "corporate greed" trope acted out in real time...
@@kennyhouser3467 "corporate greed" -problem is that thanks to fan projcets (as you said) they got new people interested in WH and buying models In terms of financials it was better for them to keep FREE advertisement So even greed doesn't make sense here
@@marcinkrz3140 GW saw the absolute shit ton of money that subscription services like Disney+ and Amazon TV were making, and they figured they could do that with animations.
After the first 2 day noob shield, you'll be destroyed by higher level players on a daily basis if you don't buy shields. And it takes several days or more to rebuild your army, and by then you'll have been wrecked again, so plan on paying $$$ of you want to be able to play this game after the first few days. Terrible 1/5
Probably the biggest paywall I ever ran into was the time I tried Marvel Strike Force. At one point I needed to take on about five waves of enemies for a level, but not even my best heroes with the highest possible level gear could handle even three before being wiped. I tried for almost a week of casual, no real world purchases play and couldn't do it. No grind could help, so I gave up and tried Future Fight instead. A much better experience if I say so myself. Not something I would consider spending money on, but still actually kinda fun. Even still, Strike Force is the worst example of a paywall I've seen in a mobile game myself. At least in what should be a high quality mobile game.
Strike Force was awful- I ended up exploiting something I didn’t know was a bug as it occurred on the day I joined, and kept running Thanos missions with no CD, grinding tons of his shards and using him to cheese tons of content with an OP character. Still got bored and checked the hell out.
"I personally like your channel a lot and hope you use bluestacks again, when you play a mobile Game again. It is not as bad as the game you might play with it" Even Bluestacks knows.
NoxPlayer seems less intrusive and works better for me. There is so much comedic gold on mobile. Including all of those word salad titled games seeking to abuse SEO (i.e. "Call of War Duty Theft Auto MMO FPS multiplayer Game"). Mars Dog Racing Online is one of my recent favorite finds. It's literally a really bad mostly-on-rails dogs racing on Mars. Also have a game that pits police tigers against mech eagles, with horses, human police, and dogs also in the game.
"I love everything about Warhammer. Except for Games Workshop."
Hits deep, brother.
The Inquisition approves this Critique
As an Aun Tumerok & cousin of the Orcs, I feel for you. The Orcs deserve better than Games Workshop.
@@AunCollective The entire Warhammer franchise deserves better than Games Workshop
Yep, total war warhammer racking big bucks shouldve taught them a thing or two, but no...heres your shitty mobile game.
this was the most accurat description of my thougths about warhammer i´ve ever heard......
"You are only distracting me with numbers and sparkles!! I'm not an ork!"
As an ork myself I feel offended good sir. I only get distracted by loot and dakka.
DAKKA needs to be written in capital letters, always ;)
@@stitch77100 ZOGG IT YA GROT!!
@@stitch77100 youz smaht boi humie Git
You sound more like a freeboota to me
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 also a deathskull
"The Codex Astartes should be the book you get your missions from."
As a Black Templars player I started slamming my desk and screaming because of the implication that I should read the Codex Astartes.
If the Black Templars were a playable faction in-game, I would agree with you, but the game only includes Codex-compliant (or at least, mostly compliant) chapters, so it would fit thematically.
Eh, it's something to read on the can when you forgot the funnies, dual mode toilet paper!
@@stankobarabata2406 lmao
Or the implication that you, a black Templar, should read.
Codex Astartes? Wtf is that?
-Black Templar
In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only corporate greed.
Greedhammer2022
That describes Rogue Traders to a T.
@@khatogast6916 and made by Greed Workshop
This shit is what tips you off and not the past few years?
@@krodmandoon3479 no we have always known
You’re lucky you only played for a day. I got past all of this. Two weeks in, I’m guild master, highest level in my guild, slowly building a fun and caring community… annnd one ship, one enemy force, wipes out not just me, but everyone in my guild. The entire community collapses and I’m left with about three players without enough resources to rebuild. I filed a complaint with the staff on google play, and their response… and I quote… “This is not a design flaw, but a FEATURE to promote competitive gameplay”. Any game that actively promotes picking on weaker factions for resources which, by the way, are infinitely less than what you need to upgrade at that point, is absolute trash. The entire experience left me with hate. I f%#@ing hate this game.
You're seriously complayig about the lack of mercy in war... In a Warhammer 40k game?!
@@pascalsimioli6777 without "mercy" war stop.
in warhammer war should not stop.
@@pascalsimioli6777here's the thing. Players attacking weaker players for RSS (resources) is commonplace. But it's incredibly stupid, because if you're at lvl 20 and you're trying to upgrade to lvl 21, your going to need an absolutely god-damned amount of material, and raiding all the lower lvl players on the server isn't going to grant you those RSS
That the experience these game does to ya personally i have play 5 game with these mechanic and honestly the first few days were fun but after that it became boring
@@pascalsimioli6777 Oh, right, so I suppose because there's no rules of engagement in Warhammer 40k lore there should be no consequences for cheating in tournament play, either? What a stupid comment, of course the gameplay isn't going to match the setting 100%. How the fuck did you even get any likes?
"... as telling an Eldar player they'll be getting new models any day now" - ok, that more than anything showed me that you're a true 40k fan.
not really. I buy the PC-Games and the books but never the table top. Even i know that's a thing. Aren't they still using models since roughly (give/take a year or two) of the nids being introduced?
The vast majority of the Eldar range are models released during; 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th edition, since then they have been given no consistent visual updates. In example, the Eldar Spiritseer has had an update released during 8th edition, but before that it was 6th edition, and before that it was 2nd edition.
@@JayXdbX The standard Guardian models were released in about 1998 (the weapons platform sprue was added to the box a few years later). I'm pretty sure GW have released more Primaris Lieutenants since 8th edition than they have Eldar models of any faction in that time.
Games workshop is honestly a cruel cruel mistress, because they will NEVER go out of their way to completely update a model line, and it is a PAINFULLY long time to wait for when an Out of Stock model is finally back IN stock
@@JayXdbX "Not really", "but never the tabletop", "even I know", are you implying that you can only be a 40k fan if you paly the tabletop? Otherwise I am having serious trouble understanding your comment.
“I’ve not been this disappointed since Dawn of War 3”
That’s 3d6 mortal wounds.
Ha ha ha nice! I felt that though, DoW 3 should have go clear it's "shame" by dying in battle taking back an lost Imperial Forge World!
@@DustinBarlow8P Dawn of war 3 is a handicapped kriegs guardsman on krieg.
More like a coup de grace
Gladius was horrible too. Make a 4X game and take away everything but the part that is the most difficult to get right: Combat. I have never played a game that is so slow and uneventful.
@@Milkymalk If you are interested in a decent 40K game, Battlesector is a pretty decent Turn Based Tactics game (Kinda like X-Com but with squads).
40k fans: "The Codex Astartes does not support making crappy mobile games."
Games Workshop: "WELL I CAN'T READ!!"
real talk:
you think literacy rates would be a very big problem in the imperium
@@vidmastereon Not really, every guardsmen would be taught to read so that they may read how to properly praise the Emperor and follow the handbook.
"Turn off your Heavy flamer"
From their recent actions i think it would rather be like: "Who's Astartes?"
Why are you flaming me, I'm right?
"Design the problem, sell the solution." The philosophy for all mobile F2P games and it's disgusting.
They have seen Wolf of the Wall street and then nothing was same again... :D
Warframe in a nutshell.
It's a extremely old selling strategy, I'd actually call it "ancient". There are entire _religions_ based on it for f*cks sake...
Now that's truly grimdark.
Isn't that the Hegelian dialectic?
"About as accurate as telling an Eldar player they'll get new models any day now."
I cannot express how happy I am that this joke aged like milk.
Just replace "Eldar" with "Harlequinns" and the joke still works :)
@@carljohan9265 matter of time
same
Or Tyranids
@@wildspirewarrior211 tyranids got the parasite of mortrex
21:43 Deliberately hiding your account balance whenever you are able to buy something is super scummy and manipulative. Thanks for spotting that easy to miss detail they sneaked in.
Sounds like a real Tzeench move.
snuck*
They fixed this actually. Not sure when or if it was in response to the video but yeah as of now the balance is shown.
@@Handles_Are_Bad.Phuk-them-off *sneaked is more correct
@@thefallcor1 go back to primary school, it seems you missed a lot.
The fact that it is more expensive to assemble a decent army in this mobile game than when you buy actual models from GW has me in shock. On some level that feels like it should be impossible
W H A T
Hits deep man
Bruh
Just wait till the GW sponsored nfts roll out
@@joshjonson2368 Any day now it's gonna happen, especially with all the art they can use to make it appealing
“The Codex Astartes does not support this” has never rung more true.
GW easily could have made a killing simply by making an Imperial Knights version of Steel Battalion or BattleTech.
They probably still make a bunch of money with this shitty game as well
@@floppydisksareop They will, every mobile game does
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
didn't they made a turn-based game with titans not too long ago?
@@baudsp we have strategy games on PC for everything but straight 40k miniature wargaming (at least officially)
I want more projects along the lines of Space Marine or SH:D, where we break away from the overall battleview and get down into the thick of it.
The only good thing I can say about this game is that they actually acknowledged the White Scar's existence
"Create the problem, sell the solution"
Perfectly sums up most micro-transactions
...and protection rackets...
...and various religions...
@@Wolf-ln1mland the relationship between governments and the military industrial complex :) I love this world isn’t it fun
There is something nostalgic about seeing a British man, known for MMO games, ripping into a Warhammer 40k game for being anti consumer.
Yeah, I immediately thought of TotalBiscuit. Man, it's crazy it's been that long. :(
I think he should start checking for FOV sliders and then the process will be complete
Rest in peace total biscuit. May the FOV sliders be wide.
Checking it was outside the fov
Josh, I think that mobile MMOs are low hanging fruit but you should absolutely cover them because it exposes the lengths some developers will go to milk players
Yes, they are truly reflects what happens in gameindustry now.
Dragon Raja.
Agreed. I mean, technically, everyone I ask about mobile games knows that mobile games are hot garbage, but when I ask what makes them so bad, people don't tend to have solid answers for me. Now I have them, all thanks to one guy playing them, so I don't have to.
To be honest I do not think he is covering this cause its a mobile game. He is doing this cause he likes Warhammer and this product is heresy.
@@fingusa Yea, and I agree, when devs take big franchises and try to milk them like this, it's definitely worth scrutiny. I'd hate for someone's first impression of the Witcher games to be some shoddy mobile title for example.
PS: I pick Witcher, because like Warhammer, it has huge lore/text to pull from to make these sorts of things.
I don't know what are these "Three Kingdoms" gameplay genre called, but all of iterations where "army slowly march to enemy in a base building game" and the player doesn't even see the battles... are all :
Time and Money Sink
Overwhelmingly Complex
Time Boost Rampant
and worst of all Duplicate Gambling-gated Fan Service/Horny Content
If you wondering why it designed like this, I'll give you a story.
I played an anime version of this time gated game which has the initial of a capital Z and filled with girls. Same mechanics, probably more slutty. This game generated the most money when the Koreans, Chinese, and the EN Whales attack over misunderstandings. When they attack each other, everyone spammed Soldier Time Boosts and Healing Time Boosts. In 3 Guilds involved, estimated 10 players cumulatively burned 30000 USD in a single night. I lost sleep as I was involved in the guild and quitted the game right away. Before I quit, I just see how dragged out the game becomes, and how pointless the game becomes. You just see animations moving from point A to B and everyone involved have to see through HOURS of boredom to make sure their number don't go down. The first guy who fallen asleep lost their entire army because the other guy spams time skips Premium Currency. It was just a single night, full of people spamming time skippers. The game has been live for 3 months, and it has multiple dozens of servers. I imagine this kind of All Out War happens daily somewhere within their other 30ish servers. The rankings and time skips are so predatory but it works because these people are horny and childish. They know nothing about the value of money, all they knew is the numbers on the screen and the Waifu/Fan Service they see.
After I quit, I did some research on Idle Games and somewhere along the "Three Kingdoms" type of infinite Number Racing Game in a system known as "Battle Rating" in League of Angels. The conclusion is alarming.
They essentialy copy pasted the same Code and UI for at least dozens of games by multiple developers. The shop is the same, the prices are the same, the gacha using this inhumanely predatory "Duplicates Fragments" system, VIP System, and the system always needs to make you wait to sell time skips. These game makes estimated average 30000 USD per day, and that money is spent on essentially nothing of value as the next people will delete your character by numbers alone. It has low development cost and might as well underpaid the developers so badly as they just delivers the same game with SAME KEYWORDS EVEN (keywords : Levy, Escorts, Sultan, Goddess, League, Throne, Kingdom, Waifu, Girls, Anime, Fan Service, Redeem, VIP, Recharge, and many more). Don't get me started on the stolen assets Advertisements as this rabbit hole involves blackmailing other company and threatening them with politics should they deny "business deals".
These are not games. Nothing of these speaks games. But they are in Play Store.
Stay away from these nowhere pitiful excuse of "games". These are the Dystopian Sink.
Before being mobile game fodder they were just strategy games. Not RTS like your War/Starcrafts and Command and Conquers, but actual strategy games where fighting was like 1% of the gameplay.
Sad but true, i am little by little quitting, is sad, that actual games tha tput effort, for example, like i personaly, am starting to quit all these games, of how boring and how little gamepplay and actual progress you do, for example, infinity kingdom, titan thorne, rise of kingdoms, all these games, you start fast and then you stop progressing and then worst is the comunity, one thing is being attack by a player, that is like one or two levels over you, another is being crash by a player with millions of points, and why, do not misunderstand me, even in dawn of titans a game, that is design, to be like that, with the idea of PVP, there are people that thorows money, and have millions, i am a free playere, months, for months and i have several legenday things, but as a free player, i am starting to see probles, i have to scout for someone to figth and low level players pay so low is not worth it, and events i think they tweack events, they give so few points is not even worth it, i am so few to quit.
Is sad, because i am playing final gear, a mech waifu game, with actual gameplay, and different game missions, and is good, girls frontline 2, will come out maybe next year, x com stile gameplay, for mobile, and yet those tipes of games, were the idea is more on single player game, they dont succed, azur lane, is one of the few games with very limited single player, with actual game play with not fair but not bad gatcha, and yet, is no were near, games like sultan throne or those.
Also there are good games, really good games ideas in mobile, but they are drown, over these boring repetitive things that are not even games, i used to have several like those, i love base buildings, but i progress no where, now i have dawns of titans and i dont even know if i even will continue, the story is not intresting and at least they give you several constructions lines, because i am arriving to the days timers
@@smward87 You mean when they were browser games without graphics? Think 1 were called "Mafia" where you were a boss building your mafia empire.
their ancestor is games like OGame... I dunno why I played it when I was a kid while I had actual strategy games I could have played... but here we are
The browser predecessors were popular because of the stories of people selling their accounts for nice money. At least, that's how it was for people around me.
Some guy even tried to convince me to get into it because "A guy I know sold his account for thousands with only a few minutes of gameplay per day!!1!"
My experience was thoroughly enjoying this game for about two weeks, getting into a decent clan and building up my base/army pretty quickly. I had gotten ~3 champs to level 70+, had 4 fleet queues, 3 build queues, could take down level 22+ anomalies and participate in events with my peers. Then all of a sudden I wake up one morning with my power rating dropping from I think ~10 million to about 2 million (As much as my base was worth) as I was attacked by someone with 3 level 100 (maxed) legendary champions and the battle reports basically showed how I lost 90% of my forces and the attacker lost '0'. Literally 0 losses from the attacker. The game provides a system of getting your lost forces back over the course of a few days then this attack was repeated by another player with a similar setup, 3 level 100 legendary champions. Your left in a state of being punched down by players whom paid for the most valued champions/shards and you can't keep up with farming your typical anomalies and resources as you're effectively being reset every few days. I quit after being farmed for 6 more days realizing I didn't have a chance to sustain my base and my clan all felt the same. Everyone got bashed, we couldn't protect ourselves and we just didn't understand how to compete. I'm hoping I had missed a big detail but gave up as so many folks in my clan openly quit and I didn't feel like moving. I dislike most Games Workshop video games, the developers whom acquired the titles are just terrible at making lasting games.
I gave this an honest shot as f2p until my whole army was wiped in a pvp event... i went to see how long it would take to recover and it was just ridiculous
At less you arrive to there i play and suddenly coudnt move anything, and it is tipical of these tipe of games, i play one and they attack me, not one, not twice but as i slept they attack me eigth times, and only like after that they put a shield, it is stupid and dumb
@@Krysnha WHAT? SLEEP WHY YOU WANT THAT PLAY GAME MORE SHINY MORE HAPPY CHEMICAL
@@igunn8632 Yes so true
so the game is like Travian
If you could've been a Necron, would you have been Josh Strife Flays?
Space Marine Chaplain Josh Strife Prays
@@cattrucker8257 he goes chaos once he josh strife strays (‘from the empowers light)
He'd have been a Hayesd One.
Heheh nice one 😂
Eldar (Bonesinger): Josh Strife Says (things into existence).
Im happy to see josh enjoying his time in his "was it good" series, it really helps him journey into the unlimited rabbit hole of atrocious games.
God knows that's a rare trait to have I'd have been thru 20 phones breaking them into tiny pieces and flushing them the sad part is I'm not exaggerating that much 😅
I've actually done that before but for other anger induced reasons went thru a lot of government phones then with my broke ass 😂
Imagine him playing a good game then looking up at his schedule saying "need to record footage of bad mmo". Shaking his head and going "I'm having too much fun now, I don't want to play "generic mmo #11 by Gamigo"... But I really have to."
Then his soul cries in desperation when he quits the good game to log in into "generic mmo #11 by Gamigo", waste hours of his life before realizing the game was so generic there was nothing interesting enough to make a video about.
"create the problem, sell the solution, the most anti-player game design ever made."
Funny thing is, it's an old political strategy, just being used here. (and just as evil.)
@@Sorain1 one of the oldest in the book
yes, ordo ab chao
It's called capitalism.
@@cavareenvius7886 what if we monetized the rot
For those who never been a gamesworkshop store before, everything he says is absolutely true. And then when they sniff an entry level hobbyist they convince you to buy useless crap by telling you you absolutely need them to enjoy the hobby.
Actually thinking about getting into it. I expected the figurines themselves to be quite expensive and maybe the paints (coming from other model building I know how ludicrous those can get xD)
But what would one actually need? Tweezers, CA glue, a couple brushes, something to clean the brushes and materials are obvious but isn't anything beyond that just quality-of-life improvements?
@@datpudding5338 they show this painting guide, a bunch of over priced ''starter'' paint set while they fully know the minis you're trying to paint mostly only uses one scheme.
@@reka10 I see, so that one comes back to get the minis one actually needs for those paints and hopefully buys even more "incomplete" sets... it's the cash shop pricing scheme irl xD
I can't talk for those in other countrys but in France it's really not that. I once entered a wharhammer shop (only heard of it by name but I didn't know what wharhammer was) and I looked at the minatures, after 10 minutes an employee went to me and asked if I knew about the hobby. I said no and he briefly explained what it was and I got interested so I picked up a random pack with a coll minature at 50€ (aproximatly 50 dollars at the time) and went to buy it. When I did so he looked at the minature and told me "are you sure it's hard to assemble" at this point I didn't know you had to assemble the minatures so I was a little embaressed and so I asked him "Is there some sort of beginner set with easy one" and then he showed me a 30 € ( so cheaper than what I usually wanted to buy pack) with 3 ultramarines a paint set and a brush ( the pack name is assault itercessors + paint set if you want to check). So I don't if it's the exeption but in my case it was far from greddy corporate. I also apologize for my bad english I'm french and English is my second language.
I’m lucky that both stores I’ve been to have good owners
How to design a modern mobile game: ask the people to pay for the "privilege" of paying more. So kind, those robb-- I mean, developers.
"I love everything about 40K except Games Workshop" perfectly explains my opinion.
270 £ to get all heroes? That's surprisingly cheap for a gacha game.
Nice catch with the crystal hiding thing.
270 x 100, give or take. As you need to rank up said heroes to even be useable and you need shards, or to find the hero again (worth roughly 10 shards) you need about 40 shards for rank 1, 60 for rank 1 and so on. I'm someone has done that math out there but it's worse once you get into the system and realize how bad it really is.
Exactly, I compared that price tag to Genshin, and that's a realistic price tag to pull two high rarity characters, one of which you probably didn't want.
Wasn't 270 price tag an best case scenario with no dupplicate though? it can easily go way higher itf thats the case.
@@kaitoshirogane5563 I would add that getting a unit in 40k gacha doesn't have the same feeling than in Genshin.
I've played Gacha's similar to 40k and appart from the numbers getting bigger and new skins they don't bring anything else than convenience.
@@kaitoshirogane5563 The thing is that Genshin has a large open world and quests to play around with regardless of the amount of primogems you have, though - this game does not, so you will still be paying for other gameplay features outside of the heroes.
"I love everything about WH40K... except gamesworshop" Said everyone.
It's mostly a reskin of a game called King of Avalon, although with some features that are expected of a modern phone game. They're designed to pump your levels and resources up extremely high for the first week. It wants you to get invested so you feel more comfortable spending money to speed the process up later.
The thing these phone-games never tell you is that they're pvp focused, that gives them the big-spenders (cashcows being able to attack you and wound every unit you own so it takes millions of resources and days of healing to be able to use them again). It also lends to you feeling like you are falling behind and always at a disadvantage unless you spend money, and that feeling only grows larger the more you spend.
I imagine these kind of games print money as they essentially produce nothing outside of a fleeting feeling of superiority for the wallet warrior boomers. I played one briefly out of boredom for a few weeks and it's honestly frightening just how large the time gates and resource pools become.
It's the same as with the final fantasy FF XV: a new empire. Same game with a reskin, and a known title bound to bring in new players who haven't run into these types of games yet. Played several of them for a while to see if any would be less pay to win as they can be quitre fun for a while. They're always the same.
There is another clone of this called State of Survival.
It's pretty much the exact same thing with a The Walking Dead skin
Indeed, i play several of those, and when you arrive to the point of it takes days to upgrade something and you have one construction line, it becomes boring as f, i am playing thse game, because dont have mi pc, and the only advantage these games have, is you can install and uninstall and check something ele, very few games i notice diference me standing and not me interfering, very few games, there is actualy tactics and you doing difference, so i loof for fun, amaizing to understand i start with games like those and now i am with two and i am near to uninstall one of the two i have, they are all so boring and so slow, it is depresing
Thats true. It was also has a reskin for Star Trek.
I woul not be shocked if this mobile companies sell those Games in variations of cheap, medium an d premium game of that same Idea.
Oh I also experienced that kind of exploitative mobile game years back. So long ago I've forgotten the name. But the basic premise was that you aquired and raised various monsters to battle along a "main quest" line. They levelled up by feeding them food. Food you had to grow yourself on the land tiles you could own. Each building and resource could be upgraded via several different ingame currencies and at first it was fun.
But then you start running into battles you can't possibly win. The only way is to feed your monsters ever-growing amounts of food to level them up. But your farms only produced a small amount of food per real Earth day even with upgrades. It would have taken a week or more of clicking twice a day to level up one of several monsters. But of course there was a shop, a demo of which you were introduced to during the tutorial, in which you could buy premium currency to purchase food or rarer/stronger breeds of monster.
I wasted perhaps around a tenner before I realised what was happening then uninstalled the game in absolute disgust. I haven't touched a mobile game since.
I love your comment about a free Space Marine.
I just walked into my local shop on Saturday and they gave me the free Ultramarine. They also gave me a box with a free rule book, another Ultramarine, and a Tyranid Termagant. I thought oh wow cool, I can practice painting a few figurines before I commit to buying a figurine of my own. Then they tried to get me to buy an Adepta Sororitas Combat Patrol for $150 and a $60 Rhino Tank once I mentioned I was interested in buying a single Canoness for like $20. I just thanked them for the free gifts and left.
I was just trying to learn how to paint a figure before I got into the hobby. I told them I was new and that I would try to paint the Ultramarine before committing to the hobby. I felt like they kind of cornered me into making a purchase, which I would have done on the Canoness if they weren’t so aggressive about getting me to spend 10x that amount on something I didn’t want. As a person who isn’t even sure they want to get into the hobby, I found it really off putting to recommend something that expensive. I was expecting them to be a lot more helpful. I think I’ll just order online from now on.
The thing that baffles me most is that there's millions and millions of players who DO engage in these types of games.
Like... I know they're designed to be exploitative, but that's not a secret. It's kind of a common knowledge by this point yet ppl still fall for them time and time again. Hell.. the revenue for mobile part of the market is off the charts.
I think you are underestimating how many grown-ass adults have the mental maturity of children these days.
It's because these start out fun. A lot of them have a option to bill your phone provider so when kids hit the pay wall they can charge their account and the parents don't find out until the monthly bill comes in.
@@jonathanwells223 what do you mean "these days"?
Because these are 5m games, they are designed to be played in short bursts, most players are full F2P with then the usual marine life ecosystem up to the whales that are a small minority.
They also have very little upkeep meaning they dont need "millions" of playing customers, 10k would be more that enough to turn a profit, this is why mobile is very profitable ... not because of "predatory practices" but because of large install base, relative low investment cost plus low upkeep costs.
I will say this, he played the game *wrong* since he approached it like a typical single player game/MMO and these are not such games, these are mobile games were gameplay is designed to be short are the typical player will spend maybe a hour in 5-10 minutes play bursts and he even admitted it were he talked about how for the "casual" player the game is fine before approaching it like a hardcore gamer but these games are not intended to be played for hours at a end, as a mobile game this is kinda "sun is hot, water is wet" because it have a stamina system like about every mobile game in existence but he didnt say anything HOW does it work, if it recharges fast or slow, in order to actually talk about a mobile game you really cannot just "speedrun" to the end (for free), a lot of system issues will only became apparent when you are deep in the system.
Yes, they will sell you the shortcut that makes the typical r/MMORPG user *rather upset* but this is a mobile game, not a MMO or a single player game, as much I enjoy his reviews .... well, he played the game *wrong*.
"it is not worst mobile game I played"
Anything now is not worst
You played isekai demon waifu
"Played"
"I love everything about 40K... EXCEPT Games Workshop."
Couldn't agree more. You summarised my entire feelings about this game (and what used to be Warhammer fantasy battle and the other older games) in just ONE SENTENCE.
The Emperor is pleased with this one.
Age of Sigmar was a crime against humanity. Entire Fantasy armies rendered garbage by GW.
"It gets good once you are a week in" not it becomes grindy as fuck and you get constantly raided by whales with no chance to defend against someone 27 times your powerlevel.
The alliance system (guild/clan what ever you want to call it) reduces the grind a tiny bit, but not enough to make this game worth it.
STAY CLEAR and hope the Inquisition dispatches this filth in the near future.
An Exterminatus is the only acceptable solution for this case...
Speaking of Inquisition, Inquisitor- Martyr is the only WH40K game worth playing imo.
@@kennyhouser3467 yea I kinda don’t like how they reworked that game. Plus you can solo Traitor Astartes in that game lol
@@kennyhouser3467 you're definitely missing a few unless you just mean new ones. DOW 1&2, space marine, Space Hulk, Mecahnicus, Necromunda, BGA 1&2 and a a few more I'm missing are all better than Inquisitior martyr
15:05 "I've not been this disappointed since Dawn of War 3" that hit way too close to home. Why are you always so right Josh.
23:29 Also note that even though you no longer have enough crystals to buy that particular upgrade, the button in the pop-up window isn't greyed out - I assume because clicking on it will automatically direct you to the shop to buy more.
Your opening clarification hits hard. There was a brief moment in time after they canned the former CEO who said that they were a miniatures company, not a game company where they looked like they were going to actually be a decent company. Started to move towards consumer friendly practices. The pricing was still rubbish, but they were taking steps in other ways to not be trash and started to win back customers that they lost to other games.
Recently (within the past 5 years or so), they started to slip back into their old habits. It just so happened when they started to see constant growth (or at least stability) in their market share. Where other games started to make some missteps. The last straw was their view on video makers. I'm not buying their plastic crack anymore, and I'm not buying their books (I'm still going to read them though).
This.
You have encapsulated my feelings perfectly, and because of this 40k is dead to me.
I feel this. I was around for a couple years of the rebound before life got in the way (opening your own business kills the free time). They were genuinely going in a good direction, and I started looking to get back in about half a year ago after seeing brilliant new models for adeptus mechanicus and dark eldar. But before I could, this entire fiasco blew the facade off.
I don't need or watch the various lore or animation channels, because I've been in the hobby for nigh 2 decades, but the entire principle of the matter compels me to give GW the finger. I will most likely not get back into the game at all. If I do, it will not be via purchasing from them. Until then my Legio Cybernetica army (all genuine forgeworld) will continue to gather dust.
I'm new to 40K, started getting interested during 8th edition. Then GW told me, a paying customer with plans to spend quite a bit more, that I'm not welcome in warhammer because of opinions I have every right to hold. I absolutely adore the world of 40K but I'll never give GW another dime. Dark Miniatures on the other hand...
@@cousinzeke4888 what opinions were those?
@@Dragoon7895 Anything GW decides is verboten.
It's truly wonderful to watch someone drop their nerd card so hard, especially when they then tap it for mana and summon something bigger off the back of it.
technical comment
blessed comment
19:10 Not to mention that the only way to level up heroes is to get their shards, which is to say GET THEM AS DUPLICATES. To actively level up any of your legendary heroes, you have to make that 1 to 2 percent roll AGAIN. AND AGAIN.
Hiding crystals is absolutely scummy, wow. I do wonder though, does that number vanish during other upgrade screens where you can pay crystals...EDIT: No, they're only hidden in the research screen. YIKES.
you get them from missions as well.
I remember when this was first announced and I put down to test it's Alpha stage, the only parts they were showing was the weird combat minigame, gave you a completely different impression of what the game would be. They almost completely lied about the final product and what it would be.
Luckily the servers shut down earlier today and this crap is finally gone. Lost Crusade won't be missed.
"The Codex Astartes does not support this decision(action)"
That's too damn good, Josh is a true man of many cultures.
It's also a line borrowed from the late John "TotalBiscuit" Bain
@@Battusai1984 May he forever be at peace with the all mother
its very clear there was at least one person who genuinely loved warhammer mkaing this game, and they probably cried at how much they were made to butcher it
I'm familiar with a lot of shady and trickery gacha games are doing here in Asia but damn, that part about hiding the total amount of crystals you have in the upgrade screen at 21:50 is the new low to me. It is just sad that we aren't being seen as a valued customer anymore. In their view, we are just a pile of resources waiting to be exploited by any means necessary.
The sheer amount of shade (both subtle and overt) being thrown in this video had me grinning ear to ear the whole time. Well done.
My favorite part about playing Warhammer 40k is that I got all of the fourth edition compatible books for dirt cheap, and I just proxy in the miniatures. I'm sure I'm missing out on the thrill of intending to paint miniatures while trying really hard to not paint miniatures, but I just devote that energy into not crafting terrain out of all of the cool pieces of foamboard and styrofoam I've been collecting instead.
oh it's not just me? I'm a big-time (perhaps even professional-level) painting-intender if I do say so myself
JSH : "Stop making good franchises into bad mobile games"
Publishers : "But muh revenue!!!"
adwords: um....
I wonder how will these developers/publishers survived in the 90's where games were still sold in cartridges & CDs.
@@dereenaldoambun9158 They finished the game before shipping, because they knew they had only one chance to do it right, and publishers understood that shipping an unfinished game would most likely result in all cartridges getting returned.
Well, for CD-games later on there were gaming magazines with content CDs where you had to hope that it had patches for games that you have, but even back then games needed far less patching than games today.
It is amazing how the lack of bugtesting/polishing and lack of publishers caring about shipping a finished product correlates with how easily accessible patches have become with the internet and services like Steam.
Now I'm not suggesting that you should illegitimately 3D SLA print your own models to no longer feed the corporate horror that is GW, just saying that totally unrelated SpaceMace 50000 models are also looking quite neat.
Not just marines either 😏
There's some really kickass, just different enough to avoid copyright infringement Necrons, Nids, Eldar, Chaos, and T'au too. In all honesty, if you're playing with friends or don't play at all and just enjoy building and painting, who cares anyway, right?
@@kennyhouser3467 I don't have an SLA yet, but could you maybe give me some search keyword pointers for future reference? 😉
@@fricki1997 Depends on which chapter/faction you're looking for. I did a Primarchs set and the names were... Hilarious and awkward, but a bit accurate.
@@kennyhouser3467 My problem right now is: I know they exist, but not how to find them by name.
@@fricki1997 Esty, for all it's drawbacks, is a good place to start your search for pre-printed. Is there any particular model or named character you're looking for or just want to look and see what you find? Once you get a printer there are discords that people sail the high seas on if you catch my drift lol.
"I love the universe of 40k, games workshop not so much" Yup summarizes the collective feelings of the community.
Indeed
"Because just like giving out a single Space Marine in store, that's how addiction starts" how dare you call me out like this
I'm watching this one after the lord of the rings one and it's unbelievable how similar the UI looks right out the gate
I wish GW would stop letting people make junk like this with the 40k name, but then it is Game Workshop...
I mean, they get all their money from junk
@@Dr.AvenVon That would explain Warhammer+
Then again, there's a terrible mobile game for nearly every IP in existence..
This is why 40k is dead to me.
And they used to hand out the license to good games. Back in the day.
“Gacha rates are low”
FGO players: cries in no pity
And one of the most boring battle systems ever in a gacha, with not even the option to auto farming.
@@BelelEscabel Compared to what?
God FGO was a giant waste of time im so glad I stopped playing gacha games
I have some lore questions here:
- When your battle barge is lost, where is this space dock thing coming from? Would it not make more sense for the upgrades to be repairs to the ship, X-Com 2 style?
- Would misplacing a battle barge not be a mayor problem for any chapters? If I remember the Devastation of Ball correctly a first founding chapter like the Blood Angels have a total of two battel barges (OK in "Darkeness in the Blood" a third one is in construction but Dante is considering handing one of the old ones over to one of the successor chapters in turn)
Your first question: it would make more sense that way, but it can also be due to any number of warp trickery. Time anomaly, warpstorm swallowing a space port, remanents of a forge world, STC,.... lore in 40k as Josh said is more of a guidline, with many deus-ex-machina moments
As for your second question: it is. Not many forge worlds can produce space fairing vessels but there are entire companies and chapters MIA througout the Imperium in that way. A problem, sure.
1- Yes that would have been a better design choice, but likely has limitations on animation. However, they could have done the initial upgrades to the Battle Barge and then introduced an expansion of the fleet at a later point in the story line. Very likely that would have required more development time and they just jumped to that mid-point, and animated forward from there.
2 - Perhaps it was also lost in time, so we now have two of them floating around or it is hundreds of years later and people just... dealt with the absence. One of the beautiful horrors about 40K is the paperwork, oh the Imperial Paperwork, so it is entirely possible no one back on Terra has even been notified of a problem. Would not be the first time the Warp has ate up a ship only for it to re-appear hundreds of years later and people to be like - huh, didn't even notice you where gone!
Sort of remember it happening to a whole extermination fleet, in the case of Tau.
The answer is simple; GW doesn't give a shit. They needed to hire lore consultants to tell them if their product was actually 40k or not.
As to the second point, yes it would be a major problem, if they notice it. Since the warp is a screwey place, where space is made up and time doesn't matter, the barge can be taking slightly longer to come out on the end or it might be gone for 3000 years, and the people in the barge can feel the effects either way.
I'm kinda glad they dragged it out behind the barn, 12 gauge slugs in hand.
This is just the same type of game I first saw some ages ago on websites. Click an option, watch a timer, repeat, then get out of newbie protection and become resource fodder for the pay to win players. There's no gameplay in it and never has been no matter what name or setting the "game" had.
You can still make a game that lets people pay for certain things gaining you an income AND include some damn gameplay, it's not that damn hard yet companies never do because they don't have to, people still "play" their game and spend money when it's as empty as a skeleton with osteoporosis.
Josh played this for about 8 hours and then spent days to fill this clip with every warhammer reference known to sane man. And then added some more.
I'm impressed, concerned and terrified by his determination.
I remember the last time I tried to rekindle my enjoyment of 40k, went into my local store planning to drop £500 on models, paints, codex and new rule book. While I was looking through the stock the staff member came over and wouldn't stop bugging me with every question you listed ad nauseum. After about ten minutes I picked out my codex, models, paints etc and went to the till. The staff member proceeded to shit on the army (Tau, shut IT I like the design :-p ) and tried to convince me to buy the latest Space Marine release instead. After five minutes of my repeated refusal to change my mind and their constant pushing I just walked away from the till.
I have continued to buy for others as a commission painter but I refuse to return to the hobby myself. When the staff members approach I tell them to walk away as I'm picking up for someone else and have a list.
Better off buying from one of the many discount 3rd party retailers out there, you avoid the GW customer experience and get the models at 15% off or more, depending on your location in the world.
This is why 40k is dead to me.
@@malakye7459 you raise a fair point. Sadly back then the only third party retailer near me was just as bad (if not worse). Walkmin their shop and the owner would pounce on you and do everything in his power to relieve you of your money (excluding going as far as picking your pocket, but I wouldn't have put it past him).
Was a horrible place to try and be part of the hobby. Sadly after I moved the closest GW is run by a gate-keeping vulture and our local third parties barely stock anything because of how controlling and overtly toxic the retail arm of GW has become (demanding at minimum a monthly stock order of £2000 from a small retailer who is lucky if he can shift £500 worth of plastic crack in a month)
Sadly the 'push the latest space marine box' was probably a command from on high in the company. I've heard from ex-staffers that they're under orders to push space marines hard, especially now because GW are constantly releasing new Space Marine stuff so if they get you hooked on Space Marines you're more likely to buy more stuff. HOWEVER that doesn't excuse the shit sales tactics used by that staffer because you'd think that they'd be happy with you coming in and dropping large amounts of cash on anything.
Whereas if you buy, say Tau (like you did) you'll probably buy it, maybe pick up some new models when the new Codex comes out and then you're done.
@@luketfer yea I've spoken to a few more conversational GW employees over the years who openly admit they are told they have to push the latest releases as much as possible and (in a couple of cases) have to hit a quota of sales on the new releases and Marine items or face being moved to a new store/let go.
Odd this with the Tau is that it's not a "one a done" thing as you can always build up something epic with them (I've done a couple of 10k point armies for customers before, bloody insane numbers).
The sales tactics are horrible no matter the reason but overall it's the desperate position they put their staff in that causes it. GW as a company are quite toxic to its customers and staff overall..from sales to the creatives themselves.
These games are literally designed using psychological science to get you to spend money and not much else.
to get stupid people
This is an incredibly accurate statement. I’ll get it anyway, but damn, you are so right!
The more rewards they give you at the start
The bigger paywall at the end
This is what I call the Evony model, so many games are like this bit with a twist.
This is why I love this channel, Josh is objective and thoughtful so his criticism always has weight. He is the type of person who when he speaks about games, I listen.
Oh man, I played this game for about 3-4 months, the first month being completely sucked into it (and purchasing the $5 second build queue BS,) and then eventually treating it like a daily 20 minute chore until the end where I realized I didn't log in for a week and didn't care. What kept me going that long was the Alliance that I randomly joined, which just happened to be the second strongest on our new-ish server. That was the best aspect of this game, honestly. But, these types of games are made exactly the same as they have been for over a decade and the whales pretty much blew all competition out of the water, bullying the smaller Alliances, and basically dominating the sector. My Alliance held out, offering what miniscule competition we could.
Then there came a point about 3 months in where it seemed like an all out war was about to break loose. A shadow council of abused Alliances versus the oppressor. Our leader messaged us early one the morning telling us to prepare for imminent war. That was the first bit of excitement I felt in this game, queuing up hundreds of troops, stocking up on combat items, researching all the military tech. And then the time came. And nothing. Apparently, the top brass of the different Alliances in play got together, forged an agreement, and now my Alliance was basically the top dogs' lap dog. They forced a Discord merger so they could keep tabs on us. They sent one of their members to join our Alliance so they had an eye on us. And our leaders just went along with it to "preserve the peace in the sector."
So disappointing, which is exactly how I would label this game. All that time and effort and it all just turned into a sad old neckbeard's recreation of high school lunchroom politics.
Yeah, they get people with addiction. But, interestingly addiction (without the use of drugs) only lasts a few days, so if you quit playing for a week you'll realize you didn't like it.
Craven, i call him.
Sounds very similar to my experience with a game called Ants: Underground Kingdom.
It's another one of these builder games where you build and upgrade your base and join alliances with other players. The server I was on was very non-toxic. Everyone who was active in the chat got along very well and if anyone would try to disrupt that peace they were quickly dealt with. There was even an agreement with the top 10 alliances that we were not to attack each other. My alliance was number 3 in overall power.
Then not too long ago, someone in the top alliance became very toxic. Started attacking my alliance for really no reason at all other than a simple misunderstanding. Got so bad that we had to change servers. Granted the next server we were in was just as peaceful but at that point I realized I just wasn't playing much anymore. So I said my goodbyes to everyone, which was honestly quite hard cause I had made a lot of friends there. I stuck around the discord for a bit though thinking maybe I'd start playing again. Then the old leader of the top alliance showed up and started causing trouble in the new server. So that was the end of that for me lol.
Had quite the similar experience but the people I met there in the alliance I joined were nice and ultimately were what kept me for a while - at least until the chore phase hit me after two months or so.
Thank goodness that I grew up in a lower-class family and got taught to not make stupid expenses without proper justification early on - else I might actually have bought something
Omg I had a similar thing happen in another game.
I started up a guild in Lords Mobile and we were riding high for weeks, while the vast majority of players were new we were able to snag some veterans and they helped the guild get stronger together. We had a few fights with other guilds in the server but it was mostly even and all in good fun.
Then this guild of whales moved to our server and immediately started dominating. You could tell they were whales cause they would pay extra to move their troops faster... ALL THE TIME! Their armies were always maxed out and no matter how badly you beat them down they immediately had a fully restocked army and rebuilt base.
So I coordinated a server wide assault on this guild, must have been like 6 guilds total against this one guild of whales... I put out the call to arms, told everyone when the day the attack would happen and honestly it was really exciting, felt like taking back our land from foreign invaders.
Day of the attack comes and we all send our armies to the whale guild's main base... And it's just not enough!
I'm talking DOZENS of armies all attacking the same target... And nothing broke through.
It was ridiculous. We easily had them outnumbered 5:1 yet no one could deliver the final blow, then they started sending out counterattacks... Which was insane because we had depleted our armies trying to attack them, so how did they have a fully rebuilt army while we all scrambled for new troops...
It's cause they were pouring an ungodly amount of money into the game to the point they were untouchable.
The coordinated raid failed, and I had to discuss peace with them where they kept making fun of us for being so weak... That's when I realized that game isn't meant for people like me who like to strategize and overcome obstacles, it's for people who are willing to drop thousands of dollars into a game to FEEL like they're military geniuses.
I left the guild and game shortly after, it just felt so pointless to keep going when my efforts could be voided by someone with a bigger wallet.
"The gacha rates are extremely low"
As an Arknights player, I have no idea what thats like.
1% being the standard, anything more always seems pretty good. Then again it's not specifically the gacha rates that makes Arknights good there, it's that lower rarity doesn't mean worse units they're usually just more niche.
I wouldn't know as an Azur Lane player, especially since the game gives me enough pulls for it to ultimately not matter and have plenty for the next banner, while giving time to get more pulls. That's why I reward them, and myself, by getting skins.
@DrWild Ah no, I meant it the other way. Arknights Gacha rates is like 2% for a 6 Star, and 8% for a 5 star so it's actually pretty high in comparison to much gacha. I was saying I don't understand what it's like to have low rates. However all of us Gacha players understand the pain of never pulling what you want.
Nightingale come home please
@@KanaKujo Yeah I really do like that Arknights is skillful enough that you can clearly the vast majority of the content with a low operator team and often without too much difficulty.
@@HowlingDoom Alchemy Stars is the same way. I legitimately dont feel the need to spend, and I used to be a gacha addict when FGO and Fire Emblem Heroes were big. Same rates on 5 and 6* heroes, and easy ways to accumulate premium currency is a winning formula imo
One positive I found is that the khorne character in the beginning is an actual kitbash that people do. They even got the detail down where the head they used is actually slightly smaller than a regular chaos marine head. So someone there knows a good amount about 40k
7:22 this is a really good point, as this allows for a lot of creative freedom both officially and homebrew. The specified times for events allows players to choose specific themes and events for their stories, but the lull in time between these events allows for literally anything to happen so long as it’s something that doesn’t affect the entire Galaxy (such as in the case of TTRPG games in the settings having players twart like a demon prince being born or insurgence of a traitor Primarch)
Auto play is such a strange thing to have in any game, why bother having the action at all if you can just choose not to do it? Also they seriously required more input to "claim" things after the battle than in the actual battle.
Because you are not looking at a game as such but something more akin to a slot machine. A dopamine drip if you will.
He fails to show it in the video but the auto-battle has time multipliers. You won't be using auto-battle on later levels because you have to strategically time your hero skills and troop drops. Also, he exaggerated the drops and there are buttons to claim everything.
I mean autoplay is fine for games that focus entirely on team building and pre fight planning, but those games are more strategy game and need to have a large amount of diverse abilities, attack patterns, etc.. to work.
This game has none of these features tho.
@@claytongrubbs173 do you have a video on it showing this btw? Also, can you explain more since I assumed no manual battle was in the game.
@@claytongrubbs173 I'm shocked, seems like the type of game that transitions from auto-win to pay-to-win. You can appreciate the skill of someone who beat bloodbourne but so far if someone beat Raid: W40k legends id mainly be curious how much it cost and whether it was challenging at all.
0:25 Have you considered that perhaps by sacrificing your PC you've not only murdered its machine spirit, but inadvertently committed tech heresy and _possibly even summoned a daemon???!!!_
I wish Warhammer didn't cost my life savings to actually play. Well the tabletop version
Not jsut the table top Version
There's Tabletop Simulator as an option
Not expensive compared to other hobbies. Just slow grow an army and it's very manageable, unless your really tight on money. Also buy from third party sellers, not from GW.
@@Th3D4nny people also always go straight for full armies instead of games like kill team or Warhammer underworlds which have much less barrier to entry.
@@Th3D4nny regardless it’s expensive as all hell. It’s doable but considering I already have expensive hobbies (gaming and guitar) there’s no way I’d be able to fund warhammer. The startup cost is very high and the upkeep is more manageable once you are established.
I decided long ago I won’t play it until it’s reasonably priced. If that never comes, I won’t play. I tried to play in high school but it wasn’t sustainable
„Even the adeptus mechanicus would call this excessive“ 😅
The ghost of total biscuit is definitely being channeled here. The codex astartes supports this action.
I had an army of IG just themed around savaging parts of other armies. It was fun mixing in other army parts. Lot of t'au shoulder pads and nids claws on arms baraka style
"I'm not an Ork." Josh, be real, you know you're an Ork so just admit it.
I never play mobile games, so these video's are an absolute treat. They use every trick in the psychology book to get players hooked and suck them dry.
"Even the Adeptus Mechanicus would call this excessive."
OMG... I laughed so hard. I'm just getting into Warhammer... learning the lore... and that's hysterical.
"Like a Guardsman who joined the Tau"
Kek Clever.
"The gacha rates are really low"
Genshin fans: First time?
*histerically laugs in 0.6% rate and ~80 pity*
Fgo fans: TF is a pity?
FGO is worse we dont even have pity.
@Lassi Kinnunen 81 Yeah Genshin actually has a game....which is rare for a gacha game.
@@Amahankage2004 FGO's gacha is definitely not worse than genshin's, especially when genshin's has a separate weapon gacha, at least our CEs are in the same gacha as our waifus/husbandos
When you finish playing Dawn of War, perhaps setup Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Soulstorm? It's even more '40k'. It has titans. Yes, it's awesome!
But the novelty wears off rather quickly.
DoW vanilla uses a rock paper scissor system, UA just wants you absolute lorefriendly to steamroll the enemy.
Ultimate apocalypse is great, unless you're playing against nids
@@AreGeeBee eh, Nids ain’t that bad tbh lol
Calling a cash-milk interface a game is an heresy in itself! *flamer starts hissing*
The instant upgrades at the start are because your vip level gives you a certain amount of time where you can speed up upgrades for free. At the start if there's 5 minutes left then you can finish the build.
This video is why I subscribed to you. I want to see more from you over mobile games. F2p games for a long time were an addiction to me. I made my way out and it's no longer an issue for me. I would love to see more on the mobile genre because as predatory normal release games can be mobile games take the cake
The bit that broke me when I tried the game out was when I spent all that time building my army up then the pvp protection 'potion' wore off and I logged back in one day and to my surprise my whole base was utterly devastated. Oh well *uninstalled*
I had the second most powerful clan on the game in our server, and i made it while being free to play, managing with diplomacy and the outstanding effort of the team, it took 3 whales and one lie from the 4th clan to fuck up everything, and the 1st clan to destroy the competition conveniently ignored the rules we all agreed on "server wide" the survivors merged with the 3rd best clan and we waged a mass crusade against the server that felt like the Horus heresy all over again crippling everything and letting it rot...
The MFs paid their way out of the grave and restored most of the clans... And basically putting baby clans that are all allied with each other... So the server is a vegetable in a coma
The Server end up like The Emperor. Its funny, you made a Horus Heresy and the server became the Emperor
@@juliane.mfarias9285 i served the server with my inner circle,
someone decided i wasn't fit for the role,
He didn't win, but convinced some whales with dreams of grandeur,
believed to have won but Still underestimated my influence in the server,
After a week of their management, hell knows how many factions have formed in protest,
However we managed to mount an opposition strong enough to cripple the server
@@juliane.mfarias9285 lol, i have covered pretty much almost every major role in the Horus heresy, it was a blast let me tell you, but it didn't last long, and i had like 2-3 hours of sleep every day for a week to keep the heads rolling
This is literally the ultimate fate of every single game of this type.
@@drwilyecoyote5357 couldn't agree more...
What's better is that you had your fair share of fun crippling it while karma catches up to those that paid hundreds of $, all while not giving away a single penny
And
The proper lost crusade experience would be manually browsing through a word-heavy codex and trying to apply the advice with your limited resources without the game telling you what is "right" or "wrong"
The fact that I got an ad for this while watching the video was icing.
This makes Raid: Shadow Legends seem like the angel of Temperance by comparison.
I always cry over Game Workshop's handling of Intellectual Property.
While the 'carve it up and shot-gun it out' approach has some benefits, those are quickly lost if one does it over and over and over and over again. Game Workshop long past the point of too much a few years ago, in my opinion, and it has failed to capitalize on the successes that could have carried the company into the digital world. All of us here can picture at least one 'done right' computer series that quickly came to a sudden end because Game Workshop had no intention of follow through.
But what do you expect when they constantly hide behind the defense of 'we just make models?'
GW has basically two rules to the IP, They get a cut of the profits and any intellectual property you use needs to be funneled through GW so it represents something GW has already trademarked.
The one thing that GW mostly approves in this game is the monetization ...
I didn’t expect Billie Eilish to become a Techpriest.
If memory serves theres a collect all button that activates after some amount of money has been spent
The emperor protects, brother Joshua.
This game is like a metaphor for games workshop
The art and lore side is amazing
But the money side makes EA look good
the fact that GW allowed (and paid money for) this abomination to exist but killed so many fantastic fan projects (that were free advertising for them), just saddens me.
R.I.P TTS
This is why 40k is dead to me.
Agreed. All they saw was money content creators made through their own creativity and hard work and felt they were entitled to it. Ignoring the fact that there are people like me(and possibly you) that were drawn to the setting by those content creators rather than anything GW did themselves and it feels even more grimy. It is quite literally the "corporate greed" trope acted out in real time...
@@kennyhouser3467 "corporate greed" -problem is that thanks to fan projcets (as you said) they got new people interested in WH and buying models
In terms of financials it was better for them to keep FREE advertisement
So even greed doesn't make sense here
@@marcinkrz3140 corporate greed mixed in with sheer incompetence and an overinflated ego
@@marcinkrz3140 GW saw the absolute shit ton of money that subscription services like Disney+ and Amazon TV were making, and they figured they could do that with animations.
"about as accurate as telling an eldar player they'll be getting new models any day now"
ooft
my space elf brothers felt that
The emperor protects!
Also love how the battle barg swings up and down, because there is clearly tides and waves in the void of... oh goddammit!
"You're only doing this so you can distract me with numbers and sparkles. I'm not an Ork!"
Wait, Orks can read numbers?
After the first 2 day noob shield, you'll be destroyed by higher level players on a daily basis if you don't buy shields. And it takes several days or more to rebuild your army, and by then you'll have been wrecked again, so plan on paying $$$ of you want to be able to play this game after the first few days. Terrible 1/5
Probably the biggest paywall I ever ran into was the time I tried Marvel Strike Force. At one point I needed to take on about five waves of enemies for a level, but not even my best heroes with the highest possible level gear could handle even three before being wiped. I tried for almost a week of casual, no real world purchases play and couldn't do it. No grind could help, so I gave up and tried Future Fight instead.
A much better experience if I say so myself. Not something I would consider spending money on, but still actually kinda fun. Even still, Strike Force is the worst example of a paywall I've seen in a mobile game myself. At least in what should be a high quality mobile game.
Strike Force was awful- I ended up exploiting something I didn’t know was a bug as it occurred on the day I joined, and kept running Thanos missions with no CD, grinding tons of his shards and using him to cheese tons of content with an OP character. Still got bored and checked the hell out.
"I personally like your channel a lot and hope you use bluestacks again, when you play a mobile Game again. It is not as bad as the game you might play with it"
Even Bluestacks knows.
NoxPlayer seems less intrusive and works better for me.
There is so much comedic gold on mobile. Including all of those word salad titled games seeking to abuse SEO (i.e. "Call of War Duty Theft Auto MMO FPS multiplayer Game"). Mars Dog Racing Online is one of my recent favorite finds. It's literally a really bad mostly-on-rails dogs racing on Mars. Also have a game that pits police tigers against mech eagles, with horses, human police, and dogs also in the game.
You sir get a like just for the line "I love everything about Warhammer, EXCEPT Games Workshop." Truer words have never been spoken.
I was confused at first then I realised I was thinking of DARK Crusade and not whatever this thing is.