yeah, I don't like to brag myself as a male. I don't go chanting on the streets about any accomplishments I made in college. "Hey everyone, I got into this career in this place! I also know how to do that!" Insecure behavior
I literally instinctively jumped up from my chair and agonizingly walked around the room for 10 seconds or so after hearing this lol As somebody who absolutely despises sadomasochism like that, people wanting to "brag" and feeling "inferior" when others are bragging, thinking that society is a hierarchy and when you do XYZ you're higher when you do ABC you're lower, that's just the type of stuff that makes me go insane when I hear it. Every time I hear something like that, cringe doesn't begin to describe it
Sunny always frames channels losing views as some kind of moral failing and it's really weird dude behavior. A number of the channels he mentions don't even seem to be trying to chase trends anymore and seem to be fine with their current popularity but that's just not acceptable for him.
Toxic grind mentality. If you’re not growing you’re dying, man! What happened to the days when your family could own the sporting goods store in town, why do you gotta own a whole chain to be considered successful?
I unsubbed from SunnyV2 after his video on the decline of the Finebros. He tried to make the point that one of the reasons why the Finebros declined is because they started talking about politics which in reality the opposite is true. The Finebros “Kids React to Gay Marriage” video is their 2nd most viewed video of all time. All SunnyV2 does is pass off his own personal opinion as facts to an audience that assumingly wouldn’t know any better, which is one of the most manipulative things you can do as a content creator.
That's actually insane how he tried to claim that??? Like I thought it was ingrained in internet culture that they tried to claim the word "react" in some businessy way and that everyone disliked it and then they made an awful apology.
Some of Sunny’s videos feel oddly personal. It’s not that he is telling us about something that happened, but rather trying to convince us that something is worse than it is
He did a video about ninja which was weirdly very hostile and didn't feel objective in any way it just felt like ninja burned him somehow and he vented through a video and framed it as a simple analysis. I mean i don't really know much about ninja but even i could tell sunny was being very personal about it
@@rise-my-angel that ninja video was him basically being salty and very negative against ninja, the guy made 5m from mixer and now just streams with friends for fun but sunny acted like he is begging on the street lmao
the notch video was the one video that I realized this guy....just doesn't give a shit about his video subjects. fails to mention *how* notch got blacklisted by Microsoft and just writes it off as "Twitter drama". i have a stupid theory that if you have a British accent, you can just sound **DumbSmart** to North Americans, honestly worked on me for a bit. like how Sargon of Akkad's videos worked on me back when i was a 15 year old try hard atheist
He did one about how Ninja fells off, but when you see the video you realize that ninja is actually okay and that his whole framing is kind of wrong. The whole comment section was defending Ninja and telling Sunny that he was kind of off.
When people start talking about behaviour being coded into DNA, I'm immediately on guard. And if bragging about money really killed channels, I feel like I'd be free from hearing about the Paul brothers by now
@@voodoodolll DNA dictates the creation of proteins, which then interact with the other proteins and other biochemical components of the body. Behavior is a much more complicated subject containing abstract relationships that also factor in things like sociology and conditioning. It's incredibly reductionist to say human behavior is in DNA. It's like saying I have a place to live because I drew a house on a piece of paper.
i'm so sick of "it's in our DNA" being used as an excuse. Like obviously that's not really how DNA works; there's no "bragging gene". But perhaps more importantly, that's not a valid excuse for humans. That'd be fine for an iguana or a shark because they don't have free will.. but humans do (well, ostensibly anyway). I'm a man, and I choose not to do things that are "in my DNA" all the time. It's pretty easy. All they're really saying is "I've made a habit of acting this way and I refuse to change for the benefit of others"
god im so glad im not alone in that. that part made me PHYSICALLY cringe. i understand why joel might not have talked about it cus it wasnt relevant to the point but, good lord. im glad i never checked out sunnys content
I’m so glad I’m not the only who was getting uncomfortable with they sunnyv2 channel. His content really rubs me the wrong way for some reason, because it seems like he always tries to put forward personal opinions as objective fact
I remember there was someone who SunnyV2 made a video on at some point who was non-binary and he misgendered them at every opportunity. So I can see what you are getting at here
@@HippoEnjoyer sunny also made a video about a trans woman's donation scam. i really feel like he should have made a disclaimer stating that it doesn't mean you shouldn't donate to trans people at all, but is only discussing a case of scam. his comment section were extremely transphobic.
I think he’s always had a bit of an anti-SJW undercurrent-I remember checking out one of his older videos from a few years back where he casually uses feminists as an example of people who believe dogma despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I can’t say I haven’t still enjoyed one of his vids from time to time, but they should definitely all be taken with several grains of salt.
I'm starting to wonder if Sunny's entire process is just to keep tabs on youtubers he doesn't like so that the minute their channel growth slows down a little he can call it their "downfall" and blame it on whatever he doesn't like about them.
@@returnalnocturnal7729 I just mean I’d like to have the kind of success on UA-cam that would prompt Sunny to make one of his hit pieces. The publicity would be great
Or it’s a video he feels he has to make, like Notch, and refuses to address why everybody was mad at Notch and made a video all about how being rich is really hard on Notch instead 😂
SunnyV2 delivers the aesthetics of a UA-cam essayist without any of the actual information, or research necessary to make those videos interesting. There's always a feeling that something's missing by the time I finish a Sunny video, like he's missed some kind of major point either on purpose or through negligence.
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 you took the words right out of my mouth. Very hollow and unimpactful although in the moment it checks just enough boxes to make the lack of substance hard to notice. It was only very recently on one of his videos (which ironically I can't remember) that I realized "wait that made no sense, why was this even released" then after reflecting on his other videos I realized they had only ever made any sense because I already had background from other better made deep dives.
I think this is exactly why he is so successful. He often just rehashes old chewed through drama that has alteady cycled through the UA-cam commentary scene years ago. Then he compresses those narratives down to like 20 minutes, which is like an easy ready meal for any streamer looking to kill time. And everytime he covers the new drama of the day, it just blatantly shows that he has no idea how to actually interpret primary sources.
One thing sunnyv2 does that show it really clearly is his thumb nails use that photo filter that makes it look like it's drawn and just throw a line connecting too his thesis
Me coming here from Ro Ramdin's video: Seems like he might be kinda transphobic idk SunnyV2: It's BAKED into our DNA as MALES Me: Ok yeah he's transphobic
@@littlepinkskeleton I remember him misgendering someone the entire video and he literally shows their bio where it states the person's pronouns. Like he obviously read it and made the conscious choice to misgender them anyways
Yeah...every SunnyV2 video I have ever watched has attempted to have this veneer of a deep dive video essayist on the UA-cam history, but he refuses to put in any journalistic work. Almost everything of any sort of empirical fact he states can easily be found on Wikipedia articles and so forth. And there's a very clear rushed and mass produced energy that's more reminiscent of a drama channel than a commentary or video essayist. He's also very obsessed with the idea that all these channels he talks about are actually dead when many are still alive and kicking. Love him or hate him, Ethan Klein is still very much making content. So SunnyV2's video suggesting that Ethan is now irrelevant is stupid. Same with his Smosh video. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were, but Smosh is still constantly putting out content. They're just not generating millions of views anymore, just hundreds of thousands instead. They have a more niche audience these days. Which is fine is that's what they're aiming for.
Everything has to be some metaphyiscal moral failing to him, he's very likely a conservative. The only video I've watched of him was about Notch and it was pretty disgusting. Saying Notch got in trouble for his "strong political opinions". Made absolutely no mention on Notch's antisemitism or racism or promotion of Q conspiracy theory, and if he did, he downplayed it heavily and moved along. Kinda slimy, like he knows he's lying by omission to his audience.
"Relevance" is just such a funny concept to apply to UA-camrs to begin with. There are singers who most people agree are no longer relevant that still have higher stream numbers and more recognition amongst laypeople than the most wildly successful vloggers. This is a tough gig and the algorithm makes it a struggle to stay on your own fans' radar, but "irrelevant" is such a weird burn when 99.9% of UA-camrs are irrelevant when you go outside.
Ethan specifically gets flak from a lot of these right leaning to alt right UA-cam guys. Back in the day Ethan made videos that goofed on vaguely social justice related topics like the BuzzFeed man spreading video. So a lot of the right leaning guys on UA-cam were like "oh Ethan's one of us!". Then around when Ethan made fun of Jordan Peterson, a lot of these right wing weirdos realized Ethan isn't a ring wing weirdo and have been on the offense since. Sorry for the loreposting, figured it's relevant enough info
Same for his CollegeHumor video. He focuses entirely on their literal UA-cam channel while completely ignoring the fact that they’ve shifted focus to their own streaming platform. “Channel views are less than half what they used to be” “they aren’t uploading diverse content on their channel anymore” these are clear consequences of pivoting to a different platform but he either didn’t do enough research to hear about the shift, or doesn’t want to mention it because it lessens his claims of catastrophic failure.
he really lost me with the "rise and fall of collegehumor" claiming that it was a failed youtube channel with no followers. instead of you know.. a quite successful streaming service with several VERY successful series. i got the impression that he was like "oh it's not on youtube? you must have no success then"
This comment section is my new family. I was also getting suspicious of sunnyv2. Anyone else been catching the misogyny seasoning in his videos? His thesis in his dababy video was that dababy didn't do anything wrong other than respond to his backlash. Like, being shitty to flight attendants and his slights against Megan thee Stallion didn't even make it into the video. You cannot excuse dababy and also be a safe person for women to be around.
The entire premise of sunny, turkey tom etc is to lie to the viewer. You make a narrative and then push it forward like diarrhea slop and just HOPE someone loves the taste. Now if you like drama channels, that’s totally fine, everyone is guilty is licking up the spilled tea, but don’t act like it’s journalism or news. It’s opinions.
Also the "made comments implying that gay people aren't allowed in his concerts (paraphrasing)" in the video is so non-specific, like he doesn't want to make a big deal out of it.
It would not even surprise me if it turned out neither of these people even exist. Next On Lil Joel: "This is why Teelzeplop is wrong about zoobledooble"
SunnyV2 is bootleg Internet Historian without the humour or class to actually tell the history of the internet without putting his personal beliefs into it. I feel like if it wasn't for Twitch streamers streaming his videos the channel would had been middling viewers at best.
@@thefatherinthecave943 he is boys with Ordinary Things, a pretty leftwing youtuber, so it's hard to say. Edit: Internet Historian is also funny as hell (imo) so I can overlook some ideological differences I may have
i’m glad it’s not just me who feels weird about that channel. like not overtly malicious or anything but there’s a lot of weird critique and very vague reasons he calls people out
In a video about notch he said that het lost his fans by saying "some controversial things" and only showed a few relatively mild tweets notch posted. And just completely ignored that he openly supports Qanon. also, "we as males love to brag, it's written in our dna" 💀💀
he also notably did not mention a lot of Notch's transphobia. You would think if you were talking about why someone is controversial, then you would try to include everything that proves that. By not showing the transphobic things Notch said, Sunny is indirectly saying that this aspect was not controversial to him and therefore not important to the video, whether intentional or not
I thought I couldn't be more disappointed in Notch and you inform me he supports QAnon. Goddamn, not even dying in the most humiliating way would be able to send my opinion deeper unless he cosplays as Hitler when he expires one day.
i'm glad you said this, i've watched some of sunny's videos and they always feel extremely half-baked or watered down, most likely for the sake of getting so many videos out so frequently. it feels like they are topics that could be discussed at length with a lot of evidence but instead they're condensed down to 10-12 minute videos with almost nothing to back up the claims being made
Yeah I agree, he touches on interesting subjects but he swaps in depth research or analysis for a strong narrative that often seems half-baked/shallow/not really true.
It's especially funny when (on some vids) you see the top comment going "Uh... a quick google search would show you how XYZ is ACTUALLY happening." Like good grief, at least check THAT box during your 'research'.
At least when it comes to discussing creators on the platform, I think a channel called Joon the King does a better job at being objective and going through point thoroughly
I'm glad you're talking about this. His video about "dumb lottery winners" felt slimy to me, insulting some people who were just trying to donate to charity or get out of a relationship with an overbearing spouse.
god yeah I didn't even click on that video because just the title/thumbnail made me feel so horrible, checks out that it sounds like it's what I expected from it to make fun of someone trying to escape a relationship like that, holy shit
'Stupid lottery winner loses all their cash in a few weeks' has been a long time talking point of right wingers who believe that being poor is a choice and that poor people are just lazy. It's used to justify reducing aid to the poor under the guise of 'well, they would just waste the money if they had it'. The reality is that most people who win the lottery do just fine, people just glomp onto a few sad outlier cases.
I'm glad the comment section was basically saying that some of them are just tragic not dumb like people being used for their money and stuff. Pretty funny sometimes his own comment section will call out stuff he does
@@hauntedsunsets The most generous interpretation I can give to Sunny is that maybe the woman really was just trying to get out of the relationship to keep the money to hersel, and not because it was otherwise a bad relationship. But 2 things about that: 1) So what? She's the one who won the lottery, even if she was being selfish with wanting to split up to keep the money, that's her choice. 2) Sunny's video isn't at all concerned with whether or not this woman was in a bad relationship or not. It seems to just presume that because she was trying to get out of her relationship with the lottery money, she must by default be a bad and dumb person worthy of mockery. So even my most generous read on Sunny isn't great, and that's not even getting into the last person covered in that video, whose mistake was... donating to charity?
i think even a simple title change would help the video not seem so unscrupulous -though there are still many problems with the presentation of the stories within the vid- cause a few stories were of people who died. not spending their money recklessly then dying, just dying. they were dumb lottery winners … because they died. If the whole concept of the video wasn’t “lets mock these people whose lives took an extremely tragic turn after gaining amazing wealth, because *we* would never act as dumb as they did”, i think id find the presentation of the stories a bit more respectful
SunnyV2 writes videos essays like a student who has entered into the assignment with a preconceived notion and uses anecdotes to validate his existing preconceptions. Everything he sees must conform to the narrative he has already decided, even things which seem to contradict it. His videos are compelling to watch because they construct a narrative, but it is precisely that simplified narrativisation which leads to instances where his analysis seems blinkered or shallow.
Im actually kind of glad to see other people who get a weird vibe off SunnyV2, ive seen big youtubers praise his videos and i've always found his videos a bit off. They keep appearing in my reccomended and i keep clicking on them because the over the top sensationalist thumbnails draw me in, and every time, he either regurgitates already well known information, or just states a few, often vaguely conservative sounding opinions without actually backing them up
Just get Blocktube and block the channel, that makes sure you won't get clickbaited (if you're also using Enhancer for UA-cam, make sure to configure both so they're not trying to do the same thing, and they work just fine together).
What I love about youtube is that there is this enormous, whale-like behemoth youtube front-end with endless channels of endless videos with endless views. Then there's the part of youtube I exist in where I never have to see or think about this other plane of youtube existence, except when Joel makes a video about it.
@@kasroa SunnyV2 is kinda interesting because the YT algorithm kinda astroturfed him to relevance. Every video he makes is exactly like this one, with about the same level of research and rationale, and they've been shoved to the front page since he started making them. The first video of his I saw was the first video on his channel. It has almost 2 million views now, several hundred thousand at the time, and he
I'm happy I'm not the only one who feels distaste towards SunnyV2 I at one point was kinda interested in his videos, then when I was watching his KidBehindACamera video I heard him say "it's like a feminist saying the reason there's a difference in wages is gender" or something like that I cringed so goddamn hard that I dropped him not too long after, besides that he's also incredibly generic and has no personality that sets him apart from the loads of other channels that do his style of commentary
I'm a gross guy who can't help but wanna hear about stupid internet drama so I watched his stuff but his nonsensical moralizing was so annoying that I dropped him completely. The only thing his vids had going for them was that they were short
@@louschwick7301 Problem is a lot of times too short. Like enough to have a basic understanding of the drama but not enough to actually learn the full extent. A lot of the videos I watched on things I knew about felt like he did the most basic research. It's even more apparent when he releases a video like a day after drama which is not enough time at all to do a serious analysis into it.
Sunnyv2 doesn’t make good well researched videos, he makes opinion pieces disguised as journalism. His video on notch is a prime example, he presented notch’s deplatforming as “well he said some controversial stuff about feminists, and twitter did what twitter does” completely ignoring the openly nazi talking points notch uses
He seems to just give surface level or summarized info to pump videos out. There's one he did about a lolcow that's just basically a shorter version of another creators video
I just unsubscribed from him right after watching his Dababy video, which has bad takes in general, like Sunny saying that if he didn't respond to the uproar of him being homophobic, things would've been fine for him. His videos always have had things I've questioned, at least since the "People trying to cancel Mr. Beast" video, where he completely ignores that the helicopter jokes Mr. Beast made were actually transphobic (still not cancel-worthy because everybody was doing it in 2016) and doesn't even try to argue it when people mentioned it. After thinking it through, his videos don't try to be based on facts OR emotions, but exclusively try to be cinematic, with stuff like "wow he betrayed his own morals", "hey he got his comeuppance", etc. Basically, "No, Dababy didn't become hated because he is a terrible human being, but because beforehand he said that he wouldn't respond to controversies if it wasn't within his music, but he did the opposite, making him a hypocrite". What a mess.
I don't understand why Sunny thought that DaBaby apologising for his shirty behaviour was the wrong thing to do and he should have just not apologised because it conflicted with his gangster image. Like no, it takes a lot of strength to acknowledge when you've fucked up and more people (arguably especially rappers) should do it. And wait did DaBaby ever have a 'gangster image'? I've heard people compare him to Ludacris or Nelly before but never anyone like Tupac or anything. Huh weird it's almost like he's very misinformed.
Yeah his Dababy video made no fucking sense, saying that his entire career was destroyed because he said he'd never respond to controversy, and then he clarified something in a tweet.
I dont agree with that whole Mr beast never commented on the helicopter joke cuz it's not transphobic The helicopter joke was make cuz some retards thought there were then 2 genders They were not making fun of people who transition from male to female or female to male I guarantee Mr beast isn't transphobic but he like most people with a brain cell knows there are only 2 genders and 5 sexualitys So that why he didn't address it cuz he wasn't bringing transphobic Now if he said lmao switch gender is cringe haaa type joke then yeah that is transphobic
On the Dababy case, I don't think he's necessarily wrong. Alot of rappers be saying the most unhiged shit about gay people and most people later just forget and move on to the next "drama"
Sunny V2 basically pumps out a bunch of poorly researched and thought out videos but treats it like reporting. His videos are so poorly researched he’ll miss huge parts of stories or basic facts that are self evident if you just watch the relevant content or have even a basic understanding of the topic.
Honestly, I like Joel but I hate his audience to an unreasonable degree. I don't what it is about Joel that attracts the most petty and narcissistic people on this site, but somehow he does. He isn't anything like that though, so its weird.
@@NamelessInternaut I actually don’t know if I’m still subbed to him cause I haven’t watched anything from him in over 3 years. Not sure how that matters. Feels like a narcissistic deflection. Guess I’m correct about Joel’s fans being that way. Thanks for proving my point.
moreover, sunnyv2 just uses his channel to make hit pieces on internet figures he dislikes. his video on ninja in particular feels like a disconnected series of insults and attacks on his character. tho i havent seen it in a long time so maybe i remember wrong
its refreshing to hear this! i saw a comment saying sunnyv2 is "revolutionising the commentary genre" and i cant stop thinking about it because he will read out a bare bones recap and then present the story specifically structured around whatever his hang up is. like the vid where he kept saying it was a massive mistake that a celebrity spoke about their controversy. this is not commentary, opinions are presented like fact, this is text to speech know your meme. thank u for providing more knowledge about kwebblekop!
sunnyv2 is the equivalent of those ads of 'u wont believe what this woman found in her attic' articles that are formatted to be one ad btwn every sentence and they offer no context apart from what is available in the facebook video at the bottom
sunny gives the energy of that kid that think that every channel nowadays are changed, and nothing like the nostalgia fueled memories that he have. that type to say "everyone has gone woke" bcuz the UA-camr doesn say the N word anymore
Yeah right? Like sunny’s acting like the resounding response on UA-cam to gauche displays of wealth is negative, when it’s like, an entire genre of content
@@littlestjoel A good portion of the people who watch quebble qwop probably watch him because they like to see him display his success and wealth. Bragging isn't exactly looked down upon on social media. It's one of it's main uses.
Also SunnyV2 made a weird video about onlyjayus basically saying that people didn’t like them because “they said the n word once” implying that it was a stupid reason to cancel someone, completely ignoring that OnlyJayus has been called out dozens of times for spreading misinformation about mental illness and psychology, which is the main reason people dislike them
now as a male i know how deeply, horrifyingly desperate we all are to seek validation. its literally written in our DNA. oh boy, what a line. It sounds like an idiots idea of a smart thing to say. im actually unsure if its pandering of if sunny buys his own facade.
I watched like two of SunnyV2’s videos before I realized he was a bit sus. It’s really obvious he operates with a modicum of malice toward his video subjects and his arguments often border on the nonsensical. Not for me.
His Lottery winners video is a great example of this. The way he treats these people - some of whom were just trying to get out of bad situations in their lives or help others - is disgusting.
yes, and his glaring political agenda often gets in the way of any meaningful argument. have you watched his fine brothers video? when the fine brothers were racist towards their employees (e.g. removing darker skinned people from thumbnails and generally treating their black employees pretty badly) sunnyv2's conclusion was something along the lines of 'well, had the fine brothers never talked about black lives matter in the first place, and never made their content so political, they wouldn't have had such an issue.' what in the hell does that even mean???
@@mountaingoatnohorns Seems like he's saying the REAL problem is hypocrisy and virtue signalling. The racism is incidental and not that important, actually. Gives off the same foul odor as "all woke people are virtue signalling and don't really believe any of it." Pretty standard anti-SJW rhetoric, leaning towards the way more "fun" crypto-conservative "I don't talk about politics and therefore have no ideology" stuff.
I think the real reason for Kwebbelkop's decline in viewership is a lot more simple than SunnyV2 or Little Joel are making out. Consumer appetites change, and consumers are only asking one thing at the moment: what about the Oompa Loompas?
I'm glad someone finally addressed him. He seemed a little too into hating Buzzfeed to be totally divorced of any sort of political leaning. Buzzfeed is garbo for sure but he had that gamer gate feeling to him when he described how bad Buzzfeed is. He seems to be riding this wave of conservative nihlists whose commentary videos always have the undertone of "the world sucks so much and it's probably because of WOKE PEOPLE." They're the worst genre of youtuber and they get recommended to me all of the time because UA-cam thinks they're informative video essays. Edit: Thought it was worth mentioning that he describes Isaac Butterfield, a man who has said some pretty terrible things, as Australia's most patriotic citizen or something along the lines of that.
I get a lot of those videos too, or what I assume to be from the moral panic titles and thumbnails. A lot about tiktok, which like you said about Buzzfeed is obviously trash but they act like it's gonna destroy the world or some shit. I feel like it overlaps with the right calling all lgbt people groomers (even though they cry about us apparently calling them all fascists) and the huge wave of sexism that has arisen. It's concerning cause they're pushing for this message that all the problems in society is caused by anything or anyone not right wing approved, a lot of those not approved people already are struggling and these videos only make it worse.
Would you consider turkey Tom? I was watching one of his videos and it mentioned someone saying a racial slur (n-word) and he input someone laughing and saying “BASED” immediately after.
@@itsbeebaby Yeah Turkey Tom definitely gives those vibes. He'd definitely deflect if you called him out about that though. Something about having a sense of humor and learning to take a joke. I never liked Turkey Tom because he rode the wave of "animated avatar commentary channels" that got annoying and repetitive in 2017. I generally try to avoid his videos no matter how much YT recommends him.
@@itsbeebaby Turkey Tom is part of that clique of drama commentators that hang around The Quartering and his ilk. Heavy do not recommend unless they're eating one of their own as usual in that cesspool.
Having watched a SunnyV2 video or two thanks to The Algorithm, dude just loves putting his really insanely biased opinions out there in the tone of established facts. And he's got some weird biases.
I remember 1 video by him I really disliked where he "called out" someone faking disabilities. My problem was EVERY TIME he mentioned the person he was talking about, he misgendered them. The worst part was their pronouns were in the video thumbnail.
Yeah, that video also rubbed me the wrong way. I get that the person he was talking about did some pretty shitty stuff, but there was no reason to bring their gender into the situation.
Considering how many controversial but popular figures on the internet have been known for bragging (Ricegum, the Paul brothers, Andrew Tate, etc.), I doubt bragging killed a popular channel. Not every UA-camr suffers from Tall Poppy Syndrome.
There was a small youtube channel of a Scottish man who would tease Australians about their country not existing. You know, like a joke (and if he did truly believe it, a hilarious delusion). Australians (nationalistic) were overreacting like he killed their mothers, and even though it’s such a tiny niche thing, Sunny V2 covered it as a serious deep dive. That only added more crazy Australian “””patriots””” commenting hate on that random Scottish man’s small youtube channel. That’s the first time I ever saw a Sunny V2 video, and it was blatantly obvious that it’s another pseudo-deep-dive masquerading as essayist channel. Also, definitely got Australian nationalist vibes from him in that video. The hate comments under the “Australia fake” channel read like someone who watches too many new channels owned by Rupert Murdoch.
I've never heard of Kwebblekop before this video... Something tells me his decline has much more to do with algorithms and demographics than it does with behavior or morality...
Tom's always been like that. Poltics wise I can't be certain, but he's always been a wannabe UA-cam edgelord, so It wouldn't surprise me if his poltics/conduct leaned the same
Love when Joel gets big for his big channel and then turns little for his little channel. It’s so refreshing to see a lil guy who can also turn into a big guy expressing such profound knowledge at both sizes! Can’t wait till he figures out how to turn medium
I've never liked this SunnyV2 guy. He's criminally boring, he could take any interesting topic and put me to sleep with it with the monotone way he trundles through his scripts, and meanwhile his titles are some of the most aggravating oversensationalist shit this side of actual clickbait, with stuff like "X's career is basically dead. Why?", "Why X's career has been declining", "X deserves his failure...", "How X killed their channel (-Y% in 2 years)". There was also some vaguely transphobic sentiment in his video about the dumbest attempts to cancel Mr Beast, but I won't get into that. Mekkah did a pretty good video on that topic.
Similar to what others have said-the more I watch SunnyV2's videos, the more I get the vibe that he makes judgement calls and backs them up with info that "feels" like it corroborates his points. There's very little actual evidence for anything he says. There's just "truthiness." Just like MOON, his fan base will go along with anything that loosely implies guilt as long as it's framed in a "it makes you think" kinda way. To be honest, it's disturbing how many people just go along with it.
@@LavenderMike77 That rabbit hole is full of snakes. I don't even want to get into it-beyond being objectively wrong, they frequently border on hate speech and intentional misinformation.
I had a feeling MOON was one of those “Woke ruins everything” types but I actually stopped listening to him when he said that wokeness was the thing that ruined The Last Jedi. Sure, the pink haired lady ruined the movie and not the writing.
@@dishsoap446 MOON has 100% shifted towards capitalizing on the “anti-woke” crowd. He thinks American Psycho was about us becoming “too soft” and virtue signaling. Extremely biased, distorted messaging.
Looking back from the Chris thing it seems like one of SunnyV2's big issues is that quality of the conclusion aside he starts with a conclusion and the works his way there. This thing is bad or wrong now let's find evidence no matter how flimsy or contrived
I always got a weird vibe about Sunny, from the first video I watched of him was about ticsandroses and he misgenders them throughout the entire video, he even shows a screenshot of their profile which CLEARLY states that they go by They/Them pronouns. As a trans person myself it rubbed me the wrong way. No matter how bad a person is there is no excuse to misgender them.
Now I hope Joel goes to the Notch video and critiques that. I had less of a problem with the Kwebbelkop video because his videos sorta trended to "I have a lot of money" as time went on. But the Notch one on the other hand, blatantly IGNORED Notch being a straight up evil person
If you happen to know a thing or two about the subject he's covering, it becomes glaringly obvious how little research he has done, and/or how little he seems to care. The collegehumor video is pretty buckwild. The dramatic narration, the sound effects, the evidence he Chooses, all suggests Collegehumor is a thing in the past, a failure, but.. they are literally doing fine 😭 They've been doing much better, even
who would have thought sunny "i'm gonna make a video on a bipolar guy who had a manic episode in the public eye & title it The UA-camr Who Went Clinically Insane" sunnyv2 was such a class act
SunnyV2 really rubs me the wrong way because he seems to value profit a lot more than happiness. When a youtuber seems to be doing really good destroying themselves, working every hour of everyday, thats the best situation a UA-camr can be at
I never trust commentary youtubers that present only negative stuff, or put out this much content. It seems obvious that most channels like that are not run by kind hearted folks
This is the way I feel about it. The only thing I could think about when other commentary channels were covering CreepShowArt was "How long until we get a video on you?"
SunnyV2 places some pretty harsh judgements on Boogie2988 and Nicocadoavacado for their weight, such that it was almost hard for me personally to watch the videos. They began to read less like commentary and more like a catharsis of fat-shaming. In general, SunnyV2's videos are entertaining to me, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you observed that his kind of catharsis reads like a "fantasy of control", as though the ill fortune of a content creator converging with something he disdains predisposes him--and us--to drawing a cause-effect between their fate and the moral judgement we've rendered. Makes me want to go through his collection of videos to see if there's a greater trend here.
After I got shit vibes from his previous slew of videos, I decided to skip the Boogie one recently bc I assumed it would've been 10 minutes of Sunny blaming Boogies down fall on him being fat. Seems I assumed correctly.
@@alwaystired1 Blaming him being fat on eating bad/not exercising, + calling him an e-beggar 'cause he got cancer (?), lovely shit like that /s Oh and the whole "your ex dumped your ass 'cause you're a whiny baby" was also deployed, nevermind that the divorce was amiable and shit, sunny basically invented a whole ass alternate universe to say women don't care about men just their money.
@@neoqwerty i may have missed it because i was tired and making dinner while it played, but... i don't remember him bringing up Boogie's cancer?? _absolutely_ mentioned the gastric bypass though because of course
Sunny is the biggest pocket watcher on UA-cam. He always makes videos saying these channels are dead and irrelevant while some make more money than him. His videos are deadass the same thing over and over again. Half of his content is just displaying yt comments. Some fans even call his work documentary’s like are you guys being serious.
So glad your talking about this. Sunny is such a genuinely mediocre youtuber. His content is so overrated. Also personal thing but I hate his thumbnails. It looks like you asked a freshmen to make a cool caricature.
It's fascinating to me that we have almost 2 decades of UA-cam history to look back on now, but some people cannot wrap their heads around the fact that channels and creators just fall out of fashion and popularity. We aren't watching the exact same things we were 5 years ago on this platform, and people who are 5 years younger than you right now aren't watching what you watched either. Things change and evolve. Some channels do as well, and those typically are the ones that continue some kind of presence in the limelight for longer than normal, but those are the exceptions, not the average. No king reigns forever. I feel like more and more of the channels Sunny covers are people who are fine not being at the top of the mountain anymore and are making a good enough living doing what they do now anyways, but every video is framed with the same "you fell off" slant, and it's kinda weird to watch.
I’ve always found his videos rubbish since he presents himself as a very well informed video essayist but his videos are at best, very surface level. It’s like he skim reads a Reddit post and tried to fill in the blanks. Remember one where he repeatedly misgenders someone without even noticing that the graphic he shows on screen prominently displays their pronouns.
I got some bad vibes from his H3H3 video. I don't think H3H3 have ever had a real downfall. He was seemingly just mad that Ethan had grown out of his anti-SJW phase, and that they were happier podcasting.
it depends when we’re talking. ethan has certainly fallen off his rocker in recent years. maybe not in terms of views but definitely likability and entertainment
@@tvnggg yep because that's the only thing that's much changed about him. He has always been edgy. Earlier he was doing it from an anti sjw pov. Now he's doing it from a leftist pov. So if you find that he has become unlikable, that's a self report imo.
@@purplewine7362 its not just that he's not funny, he makes himself unlikeable in different ways, like when he talked about bombing the vatican and the NRA convention, doxxed someone based on false information, agreed to debate steven crowder just to chicken out last second and bring on sam seder, sensationalized a consensual relationship between a girl and Myron from Fresh and Fit to make it seem predatory...you get the point. You can argue whether the anti sjw content he had in the past was actually funny or not, because I'll be honest, I was pretty young during those days so maybe my opinion has changed. but he at the very least was well respected by the community and didn't do even half the dumb shit he does now
I feel like some of the video essays he makes about youtubers like smosh and kwebblecop are deeply personal. Like yeah smosh isn’t as big as they once were but they didnt kill their channel. Most of their viewers got older and you cant expect your popularity to be forever
This is so interesting, cause hasan recently had kurtis conner and danny gonzalez in a stream and showed them a sunnyv2 video on notch. even though hasan is a fan of sunny they kept commenting on how it seemed less like an indictment of him and almost like a fan, only 1 of notchs bigoted tweets were brought up, not any of his way more explicit fascist or transphobic ones which is more in line with notch's "downfall" and why people dont respect him. he made notch out to be this misunderstood billionaire who's fault was being lonely and throwing too many parties but feeling oh so alone at the same time. definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
Always felt Sunny either dumbs down or exaggerates, like in the Boogie video they underplayed how much of an asshole he was and skipped most of the mega thread that truly showed how much Boogie was a downright terrible person. Which made it seem like the weight loss and Tesla were the only things that caused his downfall.
I don't dislike the channel, but I agree many of the connections are far-fetched and biased but delivered with this objective, no nonsense tone, that makes the message of the video misleading overall
DaftPina is another one of those channels I stopped watching once I got the vibe that this dude just loves being a snitch on a high horse. It's kinda gross how much pleasure these dudes take in tearing down other creators. So much of the "drama" they report on is horseshit.
Didnt watch daft Pina after finding out he lies alot, doesn't addresses it, and just doesn't do enough research most of the time like when he disregarded jaidens disorder
I stumbled upon his videos when he first started out and had to stop watching him. His cadence and way he talks was like nails on a chalkboard. No idea if he's still like that.
SunnyV2’s videos give the vibe of a persuasive essay that you’ve written the night before and you barely have any evidence so your just twisting the information on any sources as much as you can.
There's something else that bothers me, that perhaps this diminutive Joseph will discuss one day, but it's how SunnyV2 (and others) view things not being popular forever as **FAILURE** or **THE RISE AND FALL**. Look at channels of this ilk, they're obsessed with something "falling" or "failing" because it can't maintain the popularity that it once did. Why does everything have to be successful forever? Why does every project have to always be popular and eternal? When sunnyv2 inevitably sees his growth slow down when the algorithm shifts and stops promoting his style of content, or when people latch onto newer styles, or even if he doesn't want to make the same style of content, did he **FAIL** , did he **RISE AND FALL** ? Or did time just happen
Good recommendation UA-cam I’m proud of you. Sorry to comment before watching but: at least I’m kinda relieved that I’m not the only one who’s a bit miffed when I see comments under Sunny’s videos stating that ‘his _documentaries_ are so well _researched’._ I remember that I felt something off when I heard him use the word ‘females’ instead of ‘women’, not in a scientific context, and still using ‘men’ or ‘guys’ (e.g. in a fitness guru’s ‘downfall’ video; can’t remember his name though) and not ‘males’. It always feels a bit weird and I’m personally not a fan of that- so I looked into his channel for a bit. Then I seem to recall some misgendering, so even more dubious. Lastly I’m fairly sure he deleted some of his older content because I remember seeing old videos mocking SJWs or leftists or similar… I mean it was a fairly old video iirc so he could’ve changed his mind... MAYBE. *edited to add:* so I've watched the video and I agree with you. Although you give him the benefit of the doubt waaaaaaayyyy more than me lol. Everything's my opinion but to me sometimes the intentions behind his videos seems to originate from (either/or): - salt; - a superiority complex; - a desire to clout-chase; - a desire to please the algorithm for the only purpose of money (and/or narcissism) The latter is totally ok I mean it's what most UA-camrs do, but in his case he doesn't seem to do a lot of work/research, refuses to go in depth but still pretends each video is a documentary, and portrays himself as objective when his own biases just transpire through his words (like most of us). The most work goes to make his content digestible and aesthetically pleasing for anyone so they watch his videos. The only work would be in his editing, *assuming* he's the one editing his videos ofc. So here's my conclusion on how I see most of his content: no substance, no depth, 100% surface level.
Honestly the first Sunnyv2 video I saw made me realise that the video essay meta on UA-cam was leading to really poorly researched and insubstantial video essays. It was a video about how collegehumor died but it missed out tonnes of key information which even the slightest amount of research would have uncovered i.e. changes to the UA-cam algorithm, Facebook lying about view counts causing CH to pivot to Facebook, the fact that they had a backlog of content which they began uploading after funding had been pulled to keep the channel active a little longer. His videos just seem like slightly better produced Cr1TiKaL videos.
In fact it makes me wonder how his content even draws in new viewers? The algorithm knew I was into video essays and Collegehumor and served me that video. But as someone who is actually interested in collegehumor I’m 100 times more qualified to speak about it than SunnyV2 without even having to do the research. I guess it’s sustained on people who want to see a video explaining why *youtuber you already don’t like* received karmic justice for being bad.
I feel like the train of logic "thing I liked started doing something I don't like at some point and some time afterwards it lost its popularity, so therefore the reason why it lost it's popularity is specifically because it started doing a thing I don't like" is a lot of analysis put on the internet these days
Honestly, I agree. As much as I agree that bragging about your wealth is crass and really tone deaf as we live in our current era of wealth disparity, it's not responsible for anyone's decline. And it is responsible for many people's rise. Also wtf kind of biological essentialism is "it's literally written into our DNA to brag.
Immediately as SunnyV2 said that it was written in males' DNA to brag about money, he lost all credibility to me. Takes like that are based in subjective ideals of masculinity rather than objective facts.
I'm really glad you discussed this topic. I watch a lot of Pyrocynical and Cr1tical, and as streamers they react to Sunny's content quite a bit, and I've felt the same way about it. It always feels like a UA-camr getting less popular or "falling off" is this huge failure to him, when often its just a natural thing. Not every big creator is famous forever. I feel like this topic warrants a full video, I'd love to see you talk about this more =)
Interesting reaction from Joel, a man with TWO channels in order to brag about being both little and big
this bit will never get old lmao
What are you talking about? They are clearly two different people. There's Little Joel (he is very small), and Big Joel (he is quite large)
That’s just how dialectical Joel is; he’s both our big boy and our little man.
😂😂😂
Longjoel is long
"we as males..." "It's written in our DNA to brag..." The fuck lol 🤣
That's just tattling on yourself lmao XD
yeah, I don't like to brag myself as a male. I don't go chanting on the streets about any accomplishments I made in college. "Hey everyone, I got into this career in this place! I also know how to do that!"
Insecure behavior
I literally instinctively jumped up from my chair and agonizingly walked around the room for 10 seconds or so after hearing this lol
As somebody who absolutely despises sadomasochism like that, people wanting to "brag" and feeling "inferior" when others are bragging, thinking that society is a hierarchy and when you do XYZ you're higher when you do ABC you're lower, that's just the type of stuff that makes me go insane when I hear it. Every time I hear something like that, cringe doesn't begin to describe it
I laughed out loud when I heard that.
Sunny always frames channels losing views as some kind of moral failing and it's really weird dude behavior. A number of the channels he mentions don't even seem to be trying to chase trends anymore and seem to be fine with their current popularity but that's just not acceptable for him.
he really just is a bootstrapper but for online clout instead of wealth, isn't he?
Can't wait to release the "downfall of sunnyv2" video when his growth slows down
SunnyV2 has like a cartoon capitalist worldview where if the line isn't going up its a failure
Toxic grind mentality. If you’re not growing you’re dying, man!
What happened to the days when your family could own the sporting goods store in town, why do you gotta own a whole chain to be considered successful?
I wonder how he will feel when inevitably his shtick dries up and he starts declining in views 🤔
I unsubbed from SunnyV2 after his video on the decline of the Finebros. He tried to make the point that one of the reasons why the Finebros declined is because they started talking about politics which in reality the opposite is true. The Finebros “Kids React to Gay Marriage” video is their 2nd most viewed video of all time. All SunnyV2 does is pass off his own personal opinion as facts to an audience that assumingly wouldn’t know any better, which is one of the most manipulative things you can do as a content creator.
That's actually insane how he tried to claim that??? Like I thought it was ingrained in internet culture that they tried to claim the word "react" in some businessy way and that everyone disliked it and then they made an awful apology.
Might as well had just come out and said "Go WoKe Go BrOkE"
Welp looking at the recent Sunnyv2 MrBeast video you're right
It's more like the finebros were copystriking people for criticism and that the people in their videos weren't paid enough
Some of Sunny’s videos feel oddly personal. It’s not that he is telling us about something that happened, but rather trying to convince us that something is worse than it is
He did a video about ninja which was weirdly very hostile and didn't feel objective in any way it just felt like ninja burned him somehow and he vented through a video and framed it as a simple analysis. I mean i don't really know much about ninja but even i could tell sunny was being very personal about it
@@rise-my-angel yeah that’s the video of his i was going to mention as the best example of this.
@@rise-my-angel that ninja video was him basically being salty and very negative against ninja, the guy made 5m from mixer and now just streams with friends for fun but sunny acted like he is begging on the street lmao
the notch video was the one video that I realized this guy....just doesn't give a shit about his video subjects. fails to mention *how* notch got blacklisted by Microsoft and just writes it off as "Twitter drama".
i have a stupid theory that if you have a British accent, you can just sound **DumbSmart** to North Americans, honestly worked on me for a bit. like how Sargon of Akkad's videos worked on me back when i was a 15 year old try hard atheist
He did one about how Ninja fells off, but when you see the video you realize that ninja is actually okay and that his whole framing is kind of wrong. The whole comment section was defending Ninja and telling Sunny that he was kind of off.
When people start talking about behaviour being coded into DNA, I'm immediately on guard. And if bragging about money really killed channels, I feel like I'd be free from hearing about the Paul brothers by now
Ignoring what Sunny said; DNA does dictate all of our biological functions, so where do you draw the line?
@@voodoodolll DNA dictates the creation of proteins, which then interact with the other proteins and other biochemical components of the body. Behavior is a much more complicated subject containing abstract relationships that also factor in things like sociology and conditioning. It's incredibly reductionist to say human behavior is in DNA. It's like saying I have a place to live because I drew a house on a piece of paper.
@@voodoodolll DNA dictates stuff like what color your hair is, not your behavior.
The audience of the Pauls was like 12 year olds so.....
Evolutionary psychology is a pseudo-science that, like scientific racism, social darwinism and eugenics, is used to justify social problems.
If I don’t see a little Joel video every at least 24 hours I will literally go into cardiac arrest
I need my fix
Need that little joelt
Big Joel would cause an overdose
little joel is my blood and big joel is my heart
@@cavitycat lol
The part about being men and bragging being in our DNA, but that he should be humble despite that, is telling of Sunny.
i'm so sick of "it's in our DNA" being used as an excuse. Like obviously that's not really how DNA works; there's no "bragging gene". But perhaps more importantly, that's not a valid excuse for humans. That'd be fine for an iguana or a shark because they don't have free will.. but humans do (well, ostensibly anyway).
I'm a man, and I choose not to do things that are "in my DNA" all the time. It's pretty easy. All they're really saying is "I've made a habit of acting this way and I refuse to change for the benefit of others"
It's definitely our manly DNA making men brag and not narcissism.
definitely sounds like one of those manosphere guys lmao
oh hes definitely into evo psychology
god im so glad im not alone in that. that part made me PHYSICALLY cringe. i understand why joel might not have talked about it cus it wasnt relevant to the point but, good lord. im glad i never checked out sunnys content
I’m so glad I’m not the only who was getting uncomfortable with they sunnyv2 channel. His content really rubs me the wrong way for some reason, because it seems like he always tries to put forward personal opinions as objective fact
Yea
I remember there was someone who SunnyV2 made a video on at some point who was non-binary and he misgendered them at every opportunity. So I can see what you are getting at here
@@HippoEnjoyer sunny also made a video about a trans woman's donation scam. i really feel like he should have made a disclaimer stating that it doesn't mean you shouldn't donate to trans people at all, but is only discussing a case of scam. his comment section were extremely transphobic.
I think he’s always had a bit of an anti-SJW undercurrent-I remember checking out one of his older videos from a few years back where he casually uses feminists as an example of people who believe dogma despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I can’t say I haven’t still enjoyed one of his vids from time to time, but they should definitely all be taken with several grains of salt.
@@pilloworwhat so he mentioned that she’s trans despite the fact that I assume that it has nothing to do with anything? That does further our point.
I'm starting to wonder if Sunny's entire process is just to keep tabs on youtubers he doesn't like so that the minute their channel growth slows down a little he can call it their "downfall" and blame it on whatever he doesn't like about them.
He's like the real version of the "when the person I find annoying has a legitimate reason for me to hate them" meme
I wish I was successful enough for Sunny to call me a loser
@@ZeroCiero bro have some self respect goddamm
@@returnalnocturnal7729 I just mean I’d like to have the kind of success on UA-cam that would prompt Sunny to make one of his hit pieces. The publicity would be great
Or it’s a video he feels he has to make, like Notch, and refuses to address why everybody was mad at Notch and made a video all about how being rich is really hard on Notch instead 😂
SunnyV2 delivers the aesthetics of a UA-cam essayist without any of the actual information, or research necessary to make those videos interesting. There's always a feeling that something's missing by the time I finish a Sunny video, like he's missed some kind of major point either on purpose or through negligence.
It’s only now i realize i don’t remember a single point SunnyV2 has ever made, despite watching him for months
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 you took the words right out of my mouth. Very hollow and unimpactful although in the moment it checks just enough boxes to make the lack of substance hard to notice. It was only very recently on one of his videos (which ironically I can't remember) that I realized "wait that made no sense, why was this even released" then after reflecting on his other videos I realized they had only ever made any sense because I already had background from other better made deep dives.
He makes great background noise, the kind of videos you watch while doing something else or wasting time.
@@mariapaz6379 so did creepshowart back then.💀
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174 bro, i thought for a second he reminded me of her. Hope he is not the same because that implies a victim
I think this is exactly why he is so successful. He often just rehashes old chewed through drama that has alteady cycled through the UA-cam commentary scene years ago. Then he compresses those narratives down to like 20 minutes, which is like an easy ready meal for any streamer looking to kill time. And everytime he covers the new drama of the day, it just blatantly shows that he has no idea how to actually interpret primary sources.
But what about the oompa loompas?
One thing sunnyv2 does that show it really clearly is his thumb nails use that photo filter that makes it look like it's drawn and just throw a line connecting too his thesis
Also YT is pretty right-wing so appealing to that is easy money
Me coming here from Ro Ramdin's video: Seems like he might be kinda transphobic idk
SunnyV2: It's BAKED into our DNA as MALES
Me: Ok yeah he's transphobic
There are also other red flags
@@littlepinkskeleton I remember him misgendering someone the entire video and he literally shows their bio where it states the person's pronouns. Like he obviously read it and made the conscious choice to misgender them anyways
So women who brag are secretly trans men? Cool, great, got it /s 😂
Yeah...every SunnyV2 video I have ever watched has attempted to have this veneer of a deep dive video essayist on the UA-cam history, but he refuses to put in any journalistic work.
Almost everything of any sort of empirical fact he states can easily be found on Wikipedia articles and so forth.
And there's a very clear rushed and mass produced energy that's more reminiscent of a drama channel than a commentary or video essayist.
He's also very obsessed with the idea that all these channels he talks about are actually dead when many are still alive and kicking.
Love him or hate him, Ethan Klein is still very much making content. So SunnyV2's video suggesting that Ethan is now irrelevant is stupid. Same with his Smosh video. They are nowhere near as popular as they once were, but Smosh is still constantly putting out content. They're just not generating millions of views anymore, just hundreds of thousands instead. They have a more niche audience these days. Which is fine is that's what they're aiming for.
Everything has to be some metaphyiscal moral failing to him, he's very likely a conservative.
The only video I've watched of him was about Notch and it was pretty disgusting. Saying Notch got in trouble for his "strong political opinions". Made absolutely no mention on Notch's antisemitism or racism or promotion of Q conspiracy theory, and if he did, he downplayed it heavily and moved along. Kinda slimy, like he knows he's lying by omission to his audience.
"Relevance" is just such a funny concept to apply to UA-camrs to begin with. There are singers who most people agree are no longer relevant that still have higher stream numbers and more recognition amongst laypeople than the most wildly successful vloggers. This is a tough gig and the algorithm makes it a struggle to stay on your own fans' radar, but "irrelevant" is such a weird burn when 99.9% of UA-camrs are irrelevant when you go outside.
Ethan specifically gets flak from a lot of these right leaning to alt right UA-cam guys. Back in the day Ethan made videos that goofed on vaguely social justice related topics like the BuzzFeed man spreading video. So a lot of the right leaning guys on UA-cam were like "oh Ethan's one of us!". Then around when Ethan made fun of Jordan Peterson, a lot of these right wing weirdos realized Ethan isn't a ring wing weirdo and have been on the offense since.
Sorry for the loreposting, figured it's relevant enough info
Same for his CollegeHumor video. He focuses entirely on their literal UA-cam channel while completely ignoring the fact that they’ve shifted focus to their own streaming platform. “Channel views are less than half what they used to be” “they aren’t uploading diverse content on their channel anymore” these are clear consequences of pivoting to a different platform but he either didn’t do enough research to hear about the shift, or doesn’t want to mention it because it lessens his claims of catastrophic failure.
he really lost me with the "rise and fall of collegehumor" claiming that it was a failed youtube channel with no followers. instead of you know.. a quite successful streaming service with several VERY successful series. i got the impression that he was like "oh it's not on youtube? you must have no success then"
This comment section is my new family. I was also getting suspicious of sunnyv2. Anyone else been catching the misogyny seasoning in his videos? His thesis in his dababy video was that dababy didn't do anything wrong other than respond to his backlash. Like, being shitty to flight attendants and his slights against Megan thee Stallion didn't even make it into the video. You cannot excuse dababy and also be a safe person for women to be around.
I agree 💯
The entire premise of sunny, turkey tom etc is to lie to the viewer. You make a narrative and then push it forward like diarrhea slop and just HOPE someone loves the taste. Now if you like drama channels, that’s totally fine, everyone is guilty is licking up the spilled tea, but don’t act like it’s journalism or news. It’s opinions.
Also the "made comments implying that gay people aren't allowed in his concerts (paraphrasing)" in the video is so non-specific, like he doesn't want to make a big deal out of it.
@@PartnershipsForYou I'm not pretending I don't like slop. I love my slop. I just don't want misogyny in my slop.
Dababy also killed a 19 year old in a Walmart
It would not even surprise me if it turned out neither of these people even exist. Next On Lil Joel: "This is why Teelzeplop is wrong about zoobledooble"
No, Kwebbelkop is real, I've seen him. I don't know if his channel is real, though, since he wasn't entertaining when I saw him perform.
kwebbelkop is a dutch word. chatterbox is probably the best english equivalent lol
Those people at least kwebble are actually real. Like theres people behind those screens
SunnyV2's video's shtick is downfall/decline video's. I think he's running out of some of the more sensational stories.
looking forward to when SunnyV2 does a decline video about his own channel
SunnyV2 is bootleg Internet Historian without the humour or class to actually tell the history of the internet without putting his personal beliefs into it. I feel like if it wasn't for Twitch streamers streaming his videos the channel would had been middling viewers at best.
That's an insult to Internet Historian. sunnyv2 is just Prison Mate Luke but without getting dunked on by a better drama youtuber yet.
Hasn’t internet historian liked some pretty far right shit on Twitter for a while? I distinctly remember a bit of a stink about it 5-6 months ago
@@thefatherinthecave943 also he has continued to use slurs against mentally disabled people in almost every single video.
@@thefatherinthecave943 he is boys with Ordinary Things, a pretty leftwing youtuber, so it's hard to say.
Edit: Internet Historian is also funny as hell (imo) so I can overlook some ideological differences I may have
@@AleksandarBell What did he say?
i’m glad it’s not just me who feels weird about that channel. like not overtly malicious or anything but there’s a lot of weird critique and very vague reasons he calls people out
To quote a certain video game bunny on the N64: "TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS!"
@@neoqwertyThat from Star Fox?
In a video about notch he said that het lost his fans by saying "some controversial things" and only showed a few relatively mild tweets notch posted. And just completely ignored that he openly supports Qanon.
also, "we as males love to brag, it's written in our dna" 💀💀
as if chicks don't like bragging too. everyone does! has he never heard Nicki Minaj rap? braggings fun
he also notably did not mention a lot of Notch's transphobia. You would think if you were talking about why someone is controversial, then you would try to include everything that proves that. By not showing the transphobic things Notch said, Sunny is indirectly saying that this aspect was not controversial to him and therefore not important to the video, whether intentional or not
I thought I couldn't be more disappointed in Notch and you inform me he supports QAnon.
Goddamn, not even dying in the most humiliating way would be able to send my opinion deeper unless he cosplays as Hitler when he expires one day.
I could see it being a way to keep his video from being demonitized.
i think he even showed the tweet saying people who are left leaning deserve to be SHOT and still downplayed notch’s tweets!
i'm glad you said this, i've watched some of sunny's videos and they always feel extremely half-baked or watered down, most likely for the sake of getting so many videos out so frequently. it feels like they are topics that could be discussed at length with a lot of evidence but instead they're condensed down to 10-12 minute videos with almost nothing to back up the claims being made
Yeah I agree, he touches on interesting subjects but he swaps in depth research or analysis for a strong narrative that often seems half-baked/shallow/not really true.
And on top of all of that sunny looks at everything from a clearly conservative view point.
It's especially funny when (on some vids) you see the top comment going "Uh... a quick google search would show you how XYZ is ACTUALLY happening." Like good grief, at least check THAT box during your 'research'.
@@PhantomHalf His views are all extremely individualistic and capitalist. He speaks from authority that has never been earned. He kinda sucks lol.
At least when it comes to discussing creators on the platform, I think a channel called Joon the King does a better job at being objective and going through point thoroughly
I'm glad you're talking about this. His video about "dumb lottery winners" felt slimy to me, insulting some people who were just trying to donate to charity or get out of a relationship with an overbearing spouse.
god yeah I didn't even click on that video because just the title/thumbnail made me feel so horrible, checks out that it sounds like it's what I expected from it
to make fun of someone trying to escape a relationship like that, holy shit
'Stupid lottery winner loses all their cash in a few weeks' has been a long time talking point of right wingers who believe that being poor is a choice and that poor people are just lazy. It's used to justify reducing aid to the poor under the guise of 'well, they would just waste the money if they had it'. The reality is that most people who win the lottery do just fine, people just glomp onto a few sad outlier cases.
I'm glad the comment section was basically saying that some of them are just tragic not dumb like people being used for their money and stuff. Pretty funny sometimes his own comment section will call out stuff he does
@@hauntedsunsets The most generous interpretation I can give to Sunny is that maybe the woman really was just trying to get out of the relationship to keep the money to hersel, and not because it was otherwise a bad relationship. But 2 things about that:
1) So what? She's the one who won the lottery, even if she was being selfish with wanting to split up to keep the money, that's her choice.
2) Sunny's video isn't at all concerned with whether or not this woman was in a bad relationship or not. It seems to just presume that because she was trying to get out of her relationship with the lottery money, she must by default be a bad and dumb person worthy of mockery.
So even my most generous read on Sunny isn't great, and that's not even getting into the last person covered in that video, whose mistake was... donating to charity?
i think even a simple title change would help the video not seem so unscrupulous -though there are still many problems with the presentation of the stories within the vid- cause a few stories were of people who died. not spending their money recklessly then dying, just dying. they were dumb lottery winners … because they died. If the whole concept of the video wasn’t “lets mock these people whose lives took an extremely tragic turn after gaining amazing wealth, because *we* would never act as dumb as they did”, i think id find the presentation of the stories a bit more respectful
SunnyV2 writes videos essays like a student who has entered into the assignment with a preconceived notion and uses anecdotes to validate his existing preconceptions. Everything he sees must conform to the narrative he has already decided, even things which seem to contradict it. His videos are compelling to watch because they construct a narrative, but it is precisely that simplified narrativisation which leads to instances where his analysis seems blinkered or shallow.
Im actually kind of glad to see other people who get a weird vibe off SunnyV2, ive seen big youtubers praise his videos and i've always found his videos a bit off. They keep appearing in my reccomended and i keep clicking on them because the over the top sensationalist thumbnails draw me in, and every time, he either regurgitates already well known information, or just states a few, often vaguely conservative sounding opinions without actually backing them up
Just get Blocktube and block the channel, that makes sure you won't get clickbaited (if you're also using Enhancer for UA-cam, make sure to configure both so they're not trying to do the same thing, and they work just fine together).
Who praised him?
@@kostajovanovic3711 to be honest i forget who but i definitely remember seeing stuff like "sunnyV2 has a great video on this topic" in videos before
@@kostajovanovic3711 critikal praises him OFTEN
@@canonicallykayfabe Critikal will praise absolutely anything lmao
Two things i don’t know: Who Kwebblekop is, who SunnyV2 is.
Two things i now know i don’t need to know: Who Kwebblekop is, who SunnyV2 is.
Same.
What I love about youtube is that there is this enormous, whale-like behemoth youtube front-end with endless channels of endless videos with endless views. Then there's the part of youtube I exist in where I never have to see or think about this other plane of youtube existence, except when Joel makes a video about it.
@@kasroa SunnyV2 is kinda interesting because the YT algorithm kinda astroturfed him to relevance. Every video he makes is exactly like this one, with about the same level of research and rationale, and they've been shoved to the front page since he started making them. The first video of his I saw was the first video on his channel. It has almost 2 million views now, several hundred thousand at the time, and he
@@masonshackelford285 that is a smart strategy of getting money. Just using somebody’s fame. A kind a freeloading.
@@masonshackelford285 the algorithm really loves someone asserting that they know everything but in a really weird english accent
hi anyone coming back to this video after the Chris situation
SunnyV2 is another case of flashy editing and an Australian accent = must be right kind of guy
hes australian 😭
@@wtnv sorry bro didn't know but to be fair they sound similar
Pretty sounding accents always make people seem more trustworthy to me, especially south African ones.
I'm happy I'm not the only one who feels distaste towards SunnyV2
I at one point was kinda interested in his videos, then when I was watching his KidBehindACamera video I heard him say "it's like a feminist saying the reason there's a difference in wages is gender" or something like that
I cringed so goddamn hard that I dropped him not too long after, besides that he's also incredibly generic and has no personality that sets him apart from the loads of other channels that do his style of commentary
Yeah i recall he said something during one video about ummm triggered sjws i swear to god. i just remember i said “HUH”
Sunnyv2 is the only one who discovered time travel. He went back in time to 2016 and thinks all
Of us went with him
@@PartnershipsForYou hahahahahahah, you just made my day, thanks friend! And good luck with you Scarface helicopter shenanigans :)
I'm a gross guy who can't help but wanna hear about stupid internet drama so I watched his stuff but his nonsensical moralizing was so annoying that I dropped him completely. The only thing his vids had going for them was that they were short
@@louschwick7301 Problem is a lot of times too short. Like enough to have a basic understanding of the drama but not enough to actually learn the full extent. A lot of the videos I watched on things I knew about felt like he did the most basic research. It's even more apparent when he releases a video like a day after drama which is not enough time at all to do a serious analysis into it.
Sunnyv2 doesn’t make good well researched videos, he makes opinion pieces disguised as journalism. His video on notch is a prime example, he presented notch’s deplatforming as “well he said some controversial stuff about feminists, and twitter did what twitter does” completely ignoring the openly nazi talking points notch uses
He seems to just give surface level or summarized info to pump videos out. There's one he did about a lolcow that's just basically a shorter version of another creators video
Sunnyv2 just made a massively transphobic video
I just unsubscribed from him right after watching his Dababy video, which has bad takes in general, like Sunny saying that if he didn't respond to the uproar of him being homophobic, things would've been fine for him.
His videos always have had things I've questioned, at least since the "People trying to cancel Mr. Beast" video, where he completely ignores that the helicopter jokes Mr. Beast made were actually transphobic (still not cancel-worthy because everybody was doing it in 2016) and doesn't even try to argue it when people mentioned it.
After thinking it through, his videos don't try to be based on facts OR emotions, but exclusively try to be cinematic, with stuff like "wow he betrayed his own morals", "hey he got his comeuppance", etc. Basically, "No, Dababy didn't become hated because he is a terrible human being, but because beforehand he said that he wouldn't respond to controversies if it wasn't within his music, but he did the opposite, making him a hypocrite".
What a mess.
I don't understand why Sunny thought that DaBaby apologising for his shirty behaviour was the wrong thing to do and he should have just not apologised because it conflicted with his gangster image. Like no, it takes a lot of strength to acknowledge when you've fucked up and more people (arguably especially rappers) should do it.
And wait did DaBaby ever have a 'gangster image'? I've heard people compare him to Ludacris or Nelly before but never anyone like Tupac or anything. Huh weird it's almost like he's very misinformed.
@@nejdalej heard that DaBaby already killed someone or something? maybe that's why Sunny thought that? idk. to me the guy was just a meme lmao
Yeah his Dababy video made no fucking sense, saying that his entire career was destroyed because he said he'd never respond to controversy, and then he clarified something in a tweet.
I dont agree with that whole Mr beast never commented on the helicopter joke cuz it's not transphobic
The helicopter joke was make cuz some retards thought there were then 2 genders
They were not making fun of people who transition from male to female or female to male
I guarantee Mr beast isn't transphobic but he like most people with a brain cell knows there are only 2 genders and 5 sexualitys
So that why he didn't address it cuz he wasn't bringing transphobic
Now if he said lmao switch gender is cringe haaa type joke then yeah that is transphobic
On the Dababy case, I don't think he's necessarily wrong. Alot of rappers be saying the most unhiged shit about gay people and most people later just forget and move on to the next "drama"
Sunny V2 basically pumps out a bunch of poorly researched and thought out videos but treats it like reporting. His videos are so poorly researched he’ll miss huge parts of stories or basic facts that are self evident if you just watch the relevant content or have even a basic understanding of the topic.
Next SunnyV2 video: How Little Joel Lies To His Audience.
And the thumbnail says something like "clout-chaser" or something like that.
the thumbnail has a picture of an oompa-loompa and an arrow labeled “slaves”
Honestly, I like Joel but I hate his audience to an unreasonable degree. I don't what it is about Joel that attracts the most petty and narcissistic people on this site, but somehow he does. He isn't anything like that though, so its weird.
@@gmodrules123456789 OK PewDiePie Subscriber.
@@NamelessInternaut
I actually don’t know if I’m still subbed to him cause I haven’t watched anything from him in over 3 years.
Not sure how that matters. Feels like a narcissistic deflection. Guess I’m correct about Joel’s fans being that way. Thanks for proving my point.
@@gmodrules123456789 who the fucks say "ok PewDiePie subscriber" and thinks they made a point what?? 💀💀
video aged very well
"HOW MUCH WE, AS MALES, LOVE TO BRAG"??? I hate this dude so much its indescribable
moreover, sunnyv2 just uses his channel to make hit pieces on internet figures he dislikes. his video on ninja in particular feels like a disconnected series of insults and attacks on his character. tho i havent seen it in a long time so maybe i remember wrong
its refreshing to hear this! i saw a comment saying sunnyv2 is "revolutionising the commentary genre" and i cant stop thinking about it because he will read out a bare bones recap and then present the story specifically structured around whatever his hang up is.
like the vid where he kept saying it was a massive mistake that a celebrity spoke about their controversy. this is not commentary, opinions are presented like fact, this is text to speech know your meme. thank u for providing more knowledge about kwebblekop!
sunnyv2 is the equivalent of those ads of 'u wont believe what this woman found in her attic' articles that are formatted to be one ad btwn every sentence and they offer no context apart from what is available in the facebook video at the bottom
I mean, he is revolutionizing it. No one thought about doing it bad until him.
sunny gives the energy of that kid that think that every channel nowadays are changed, and nothing like the nostalgia fueled memories that he have. that type to say "everyone has gone woke" bcuz the UA-camr doesn say the N word anymore
Sunny is honestly proof that success does not equal competence.
I think a lot more than just him can be proof.
You’ve said about SunnyV2 what I guarantee most people have thought in their heads already but didn’t have the guts to say
This is why I watch LITTLE JOEL.
I mean, really? If I have the guts to say it, what's sunnyv2 gonna do, kill me?
@@SeppukuDoll I just mean that he’s really popular and loved right now and because of that nobody wants to be “that guy” who criticizes him
@@SeppukuDoll You do get a bunch of little wierdos "um actually -" 'ing you, from personal experience.
@@notrod5341 what
Actually people love when other people brag.
Yeah right? Like sunny’s acting like the resounding response on UA-cam to gauche displays of wealth is negative, when it’s like, an entire genre of content
it was such obvious bs, like kids used to lap it up whenever the Paul brothers would show off their new cars and stuff
@@littlestjoel A good portion of the people who watch quebble qwop probably watch him because they like to see him display his success and wealth. Bragging isn't exactly looked down upon on social media. It's one of it's main uses.
Also SunnyV2 made a weird video about onlyjayus basically saying that people didn’t like them because “they said the n word once” implying that it was a stupid reason to cancel someone, completely ignoring that OnlyJayus has been called out dozens of times for spreading misinformation about mental illness and psychology, which is the main reason people dislike them
now as a male i know how deeply, horrifyingly desperate we all are to seek validation. its literally written in our DNA. oh boy, what a line. It sounds like an idiots idea of a smart thing to say. im actually unsure if its pandering of if sunny buys his own facade.
Ngl I feel like a full Big Joel video on SunnyV2 might be in order
I watched like two of SunnyV2’s videos before I realized he was a bit sus. It’s really obvious he operates with a modicum of malice toward his video subjects and his arguments often border on the nonsensical. Not for me.
His Lottery winners video is a great example of this. The way he treats these people - some of whom were just trying to get out of bad situations in their lives or help others - is disgusting.
yes, and his glaring political agenda often gets in the way of any meaningful argument. have you watched his fine brothers video? when the fine brothers were racist towards their employees (e.g. removing darker skinned people from thumbnails and generally treating their black employees pretty badly)
sunnyv2's conclusion was something along the lines of 'well, had the fine brothers never talked about black lives matter in the first place, and never made their content so political, they wouldn't have had such an issue.' what in the hell does that even mean???
@@mountaingoatnohorns Seems like he's saying the REAL problem is hypocrisy and virtue signalling. The racism is incidental and not that important, actually. Gives off the same foul odor as "all woke people are virtue signalling and don't really believe any of it." Pretty standard anti-SJW rhetoric, leaning towards the way more "fun" crypto-conservative "I don't talk about politics and therefore have no ideology" stuff.
I think the real reason for Kwebbelkop's decline in viewership is a lot more simple than SunnyV2 or Little Joel are making out. Consumer appetites change, and consumers are only asking one thing at the moment: what about the Oompa Loompas?
ho isd kewdblecikoipå?
I'm glad someone finally addressed him. He seemed a little too into hating Buzzfeed to be totally divorced of any sort of political leaning. Buzzfeed is garbo for sure but he had that gamer gate feeling to him when he described how bad Buzzfeed is. He seems to be riding this wave of conservative nihlists whose commentary videos always have the undertone of "the world sucks so much and it's probably because of WOKE PEOPLE." They're the worst genre of youtuber and they get recommended to me all of the time because UA-cam thinks they're informative video essays.
Edit: Thought it was worth mentioning that he describes Isaac Butterfield, a man who has said some pretty terrible things, as Australia's most patriotic citizen or something along the lines of that.
I get a lot of those videos too, or what I assume to be from the moral panic titles and thumbnails. A lot about tiktok, which like you said about Buzzfeed is obviously trash but they act like it's gonna destroy the world or some shit. I feel like it overlaps with the right calling all lgbt people groomers (even though they cry about us apparently calling them all fascists) and the huge wave of sexism that has arisen.
It's concerning cause they're pushing for this message that all the problems in society is caused by anything or anyone not right wing approved, a lot of those not approved people already are struggling and these videos only make it worse.
Is moon one of those channels?
Would you consider turkey Tom? I was watching one of his videos and it mentioned someone saying a racial slur (n-word) and he input someone laughing and saying “BASED” immediately after.
@@itsbeebaby Yeah Turkey Tom definitely gives those vibes. He'd definitely deflect if you called him out about that though. Something about having a sense of humor and learning to take a joke. I never liked Turkey Tom because he rode the wave of "animated avatar commentary channels" that got annoying and repetitive in 2017. I generally try to avoid his videos no matter how much YT recommends him.
@@itsbeebaby Turkey Tom is part of that clique of drama commentators that hang around The Quartering and his ilk. Heavy do not recommend unless they're eating one of their own as usual in that cesspool.
Anyone really surprised SunnyV2 is a transphobe?
Having watched a SunnyV2 video or two thanks to The Algorithm, dude just loves putting his really insanely biased opinions out there in the tone of established facts. And he's got some weird biases.
I remember 1 video by him I really disliked where he "called out" someone faking disabilities. My problem was EVERY TIME he mentioned the person he was talking about, he misgendered them. The worst part was their pronouns were in the video thumbnail.
Yeah, that video also rubbed me the wrong way. I get that the person he was talking about did some pretty shitty stuff, but there was no reason to bring their gender into the situation.
Their pronouns were at the beginning of the video too, which makes his situation worse lol.
Considering how many controversial but popular figures on the internet have been known for bragging (Ricegum, the Paul brothers, Andrew Tate, etc.), I doubt bragging killed a popular channel. Not every UA-camr suffers from Tall Poppy Syndrome.
damn Joel was really ahead of his time on this one.
When Mitski wrote Nobody, the line "I've been big and small" was inspired by the world famous youtuber Big Joel (and his second channel Little Joel).
nobody listened to little joels words about sunny
There was a small youtube channel of a Scottish man who would tease Australians about their country not existing. You know, like a joke (and if he did truly believe it, a hilarious delusion). Australians (nationalistic) were overreacting like he killed their mothers, and even though it’s such a tiny niche thing, Sunny V2 covered it as a serious deep dive. That only added more crazy Australian “””patriots””” commenting hate on that random Scottish man’s small youtube channel. That’s the first time I ever saw a Sunny V2 video, and it was blatantly obvious that it’s another pseudo-deep-dive masquerading as essayist channel. Also, definitely got Australian nationalist vibes from him in that video. The hate comments under the “Australia fake” channel read like someone who watches too many new channels owned by Rupert Murdoch.
This aged well
Bro, video aged like wine
I've never heard of Kwebblekop before this video...
Something tells me his decline has much more to do with algorithms and demographics than it does with behavior or morality...
Do you guys feel similarly increasingly uncomfortable with Turkey Tom? i feel like he’s veering into territory where like, he has 4chan fans
He's always been a chud, he's like a bad person doing good content.
i think he was a kiwifarmer, i dont get very good vibes from his channel tbh
Turkey Tom is literally just a wannabe leafy clone
He's been like that for a year lol
Tom's always been like that. Poltics wise I can't be certain, but he's always been a wannabe UA-cam edgelord, so It wouldn't surprise me if his poltics/conduct leaned the same
Didn't Contrapoints have a whole long-ass video about how people actually kinda like to watch other people brag about how rich they are?
Yeah I mean look at rappers who splash money and make it rain
It's not even a strictly UA-cam thing. See MTV's Cribs or if you want to go even further back, Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous.
So much of our media is rich people bragging about how rich they are x
You watch Contrapoints in the first place, that's your problem.
@@justiny2215 Elaboration needed
Love when Joel gets big for his big channel and then turns little for his little channel. It’s so refreshing to see a lil guy who can also turn into a big guy expressing such profound knowledge at both sizes! Can’t wait till he figures out how to turn medium
Just-right Joel
smedium Joel.
The man is single handedly holding up the super mushroom business. Gotta give him props for that.
I've never liked this SunnyV2 guy. He's criminally boring, he could take any interesting topic and put me to sleep with it with the monotone way he trundles through his scripts, and meanwhile his titles are some of the most aggravating oversensationalist shit this side of actual clickbait, with stuff like "X's career is basically dead. Why?", "Why X's career has been declining", "X deserves his failure...", "How X killed their channel (-Y% in 2 years)". There was also some vaguely transphobic sentiment in his video about the dumbest attempts to cancel Mr Beast, but I won't get into that. Mekkah did a pretty good video on that topic.
Mekkah's video was outstanding.
Similar to what others have said-the more I watch SunnyV2's videos, the more I get the vibe that he makes judgement calls and backs them up with info that "feels" like it corroborates his points. There's very little actual evidence for anything he says. There's just "truthiness." Just like MOON, his fan base will go along with anything that loosely implies guilt as long as it's framed in a "it makes you think" kinda way. To be honest, it's disturbing how many people just go along with it.
@@LavenderMike77 That rabbit hole is full of snakes. I don't even want to get into it-beyond being objectively wrong, they frequently border on hate speech and intentional misinformation.
I had a feeling MOON was one of those “Woke ruins everything” types but I actually stopped listening to him when he said that wokeness was the thing that ruined The Last Jedi. Sure, the pink haired lady ruined the movie and not the writing.
@@dishsoap446 MOON has 100% shifted towards capitalizing on the “anti-woke” crowd. He thinks American Psycho was about us becoming “too soft” and virtue signaling. Extremely biased, distorted messaging.
oh someone else got a bad vibe from moon too!
MOON 😩
Looking back from the Chris thing it seems like one of SunnyV2's big issues is that quality of the conclusion aside he starts with a conclusion and the works his way there. This thing is bad or wrong now let's find evidence no matter how flimsy or contrived
I always got a weird vibe about Sunny, from the first video I watched of him was about ticsandroses and he misgenders them throughout the entire video, he even shows a screenshot of their profile which CLEARLY states that they go by They/Them pronouns. As a trans person myself it rubbed me the wrong way. No matter how bad a person is there is no excuse to misgender them.
Now I hope Joel goes to the Notch video and critiques that. I had less of a problem with the Kwebbelkop video because his videos sorta trended to "I have a lot of money" as time went on. But the Notch one on the other hand, blatantly IGNORED Notch being a straight up evil person
If you happen to know a thing or two about the subject he's covering, it becomes glaringly obvious how little research he has done, and/or how little he seems to care. The collegehumor video is pretty buckwild. The dramatic narration, the sound effects, the evidence he Chooses, all suggests Collegehumor is a thing in the past, a failure, but.. they are literally doing fine 😭 They've been doing much better, even
who would have thought sunny "i'm gonna make a video on a bipolar guy who had a manic episode in the public eye & title it The UA-camr Who Went Clinically Insane" sunnyv2 was such a class act
SunnyV2 really rubs me the wrong way because he seems to value profit a lot more than happiness. When a youtuber seems to be doing really good destroying themselves, working every hour of everyday, thats the best situation a UA-camr can be at
I never trust commentary youtubers that present only negative stuff, or put out this much content. It seems obvious that most channels like that are not run by kind hearted folks
This is the way I feel about it. The only thing I could think about when other commentary channels were covering CreepShowArt was "How long until we get a video on you?"
SunnyV2 lowkey carrying so many fucking streamers
(cough cough pyrocynical)
The backbone of pyrocinical
at least pyro is a streamer secondarily, at least for now.
I’m glad I have no idea what you’re talking about
I'd argue it's the streamers carrying *him*, if popular creators didn't react to his content no one would be talking about his boring ass videos imo
Pyro fell off so hard
SunnyV2 places some pretty harsh judgements on Boogie2988 and Nicocadoavacado for their weight, such that it was almost hard for me personally to watch the videos. They began to read less like commentary and more like a catharsis of fat-shaming.
In general, SunnyV2's videos are entertaining to me, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you observed that his kind of catharsis reads like a "fantasy of control", as though the ill fortune of a content creator converging with something he disdains predisposes him--and us--to drawing a cause-effect between their fate and the moral judgement we've rendered.
Makes me want to go through his collection of videos to see if there's a greater trend here.
After I got shit vibes from his previous slew of videos, I decided to skip the Boogie one recently bc I assumed it would've been 10 minutes of Sunny blaming Boogies down fall on him being fat. Seems I assumed correctly.
@@alwaystired1 Blaming him being fat on eating bad/not exercising, + calling him an e-beggar 'cause he got cancer (?), lovely shit like that /s
Oh and the whole "your ex dumped your ass 'cause you're a whiny baby" was also deployed, nevermind that the divorce was amiable and shit, sunny basically invented a whole ass alternate universe to say women don't care about men just their money.
@@neoqwerty i may have missed it because i was tired and making dinner while it played, but... i don't remember him bringing up Boogie's cancer?? _absolutely_ mentioned the gastric bypass though because of course
All behold the prophet
Sunny is the biggest pocket watcher on UA-cam. He always makes videos saying these channels are dead and irrelevant while some make more money than him. His videos are deadass the same thing over and over again. Half of his content is just displaying yt comments. Some fans even call his work documentary’s like are you guys being serious.
So glad your talking about this. Sunny is such a genuinely mediocre youtuber. His content is so overrated.
Also personal thing but I hate his thumbnails. It looks like you asked a freshmen to make a cool caricature.
It's fascinating to me that we have almost 2 decades of UA-cam history to look back on now, but some people cannot wrap their heads around the fact that channels and creators just fall out of fashion and popularity. We aren't watching the exact same things we were 5 years ago on this platform, and people who are 5 years younger than you right now aren't watching what you watched either. Things change and evolve. Some channels do as well, and those typically are the ones that continue some kind of presence in the limelight for longer than normal, but those are the exceptions, not the average. No king reigns forever.
I feel like more and more of the channels Sunny covers are people who are fine not being at the top of the mountain anymore and are making a good enough living doing what they do now anyways, but every video is framed with the same "you fell off" slant, and it's kinda weird to watch.
I’ve always found his videos rubbish since he presents himself as a very well informed video essayist but his videos are at best, very surface level. It’s like he skim reads a Reddit post and tried to fill in the blanks.
Remember one where he repeatedly misgenders someone without even noticing that the graphic he shows on screen prominently displays their pronouns.
I got some bad vibes from his H3H3 video. I don't think H3H3 have ever had a real downfall. He was seemingly just mad that Ethan had grown out of his anti-SJW phase, and that they were happier podcasting.
it depends when we’re talking. ethan has certainly fallen off his rocker in recent years. maybe not in terms of views but definitely likability and entertainment
@@tvngggaww there are plenty of anti sjw creators you might like. You'll be fine.
@@purplewine7362 i like the assumption that since i don't like ethan i must be a fan of anti sjw content lmao. get a grip
@@tvnggg yep because that's the only thing that's much changed about him. He has always been edgy. Earlier he was doing it from an anti sjw pov. Now he's doing it from a leftist pov. So if you find that he has become unlikable, that's a self report imo.
@@purplewine7362 its not just that he's not funny, he makes himself unlikeable in different ways, like when he talked about bombing the vatican and the NRA convention, doxxed someone based on false information, agreed to debate steven crowder just to chicken out last second and bring on sam seder, sensationalized a consensual relationship between a girl and Myron from Fresh and Fit to make it seem predatory...you get the point. You can argue whether the anti sjw content he had in the past was actually funny or not, because I'll be honest, I was pretty young during those days so maybe my opinion has changed. but he at the very least was well respected by the community and didn't do even half the dumb shit he does now
I feel like some of the video essays he makes about youtubers like smosh and kwebblecop are deeply personal. Like yeah smosh isn’t as big as they once were but they didnt kill their channel. Most of their viewers got older and you cant expect your popularity to be forever
And most of those "dead" youtuber are perfectly fine with where their channel stand right now.
This is so interesting, cause hasan recently had kurtis conner and danny gonzalez in a stream and showed them a sunnyv2 video on notch. even though hasan is a fan of sunny they kept commenting on how it seemed less like an indictment of him and almost like a fan, only 1 of notchs bigoted tweets were brought up, not any of his way more explicit fascist or transphobic ones which is more in line with notch's "downfall" and why people dont respect him. he made notch out to be this misunderstood billionaire who's fault was being lonely and throwing too many parties but feeling oh so alone at the same time. definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
even in hasans chat that day, i noticed a lot of chatters saying sunny is right leaning / his twitter Aint It
Always felt Sunny either dumbs down or exaggerates, like in the Boogie video they underplayed how much of an asshole he was and skipped most of the mega thread that truly showed how much Boogie was a downright terrible person. Which made it seem like the weight loss and Tesla were the only things that caused his downfall.
I don't dislike the channel, but I agree many of the connections are far-fetched and biased but delivered with this objective, no nonsense tone, that makes the message of the video misleading overall
DaftPina is another one of those channels I stopped watching once I got the vibe that this dude just loves being a snitch on a high horse. It's kinda gross how much pleasure these dudes take in tearing down other creators. So much of the "drama" they report on is horseshit.
Didnt watch daft Pina after finding out he lies alot, doesn't addresses it, and just doesn't do enough research most of the time like when he disregarded jaidens disorder
I stumbled upon his videos when he first started out and had to stop watching him. His cadence and way he talks was like nails on a chalkboard. No idea if he's still like that.
Joel, look up "belief in a just world" (BJW) or "just-world fallacy." This kind of thinking is fairly common in the general population.
This is some savage, bear-knuckle internet bloodsport.
lol
Luigi
The brutality and mercilessness of Little Joel.
*bare-knuckle, though thank you very much for this mental picture of bear boxing that you sprung in my mind.
KUmite!
KUmite!
KUmite!
0:56 holy shit this is so cringe 😂 I always felt he said some off putting things so I stopped watching, this is all the evidence I need lol
youtuber drama is always funnier when you have no idea who the people involved are
SunnyV2’s videos give the vibe of a persuasive essay that you’ve written the night before and you barely have any evidence so your just twisting the information on any sources as much as you can.
Sunny's videos always had a weird vibe to me. Your videos helped me unsubscribe.
There's something else that bothers me, that perhaps this diminutive Joseph will discuss one day, but it's how SunnyV2 (and others) view things not being popular forever as **FAILURE** or **THE RISE AND FALL**. Look at channels of this ilk, they're obsessed with something "falling" or "failing" because it can't maintain the popularity that it once did.
Why does everything have to be successful forever? Why does every project have to always be popular and eternal? When sunnyv2 inevitably sees his growth slow down when the algorithm shifts and stops promoting his style of content, or when people latch onto newer styles, or even if he doesn't want to make the same style of content, did he **FAIL** , did he **RISE AND FALL** ? Or did time just happen
I really like this point, its kinda like how he frames everything as black and white, good and bad morals, and success and failure
Good recommendation UA-cam I’m proud of you. Sorry to comment before watching but: at least I’m kinda relieved that I’m not the only one who’s a bit miffed when I see comments under Sunny’s videos stating that ‘his _documentaries_ are so well _researched’._
I remember that I felt something off when I heard him use the word ‘females’ instead of ‘women’, not in a scientific context, and still using ‘men’ or ‘guys’ (e.g. in a fitness guru’s ‘downfall’ video; can’t remember his name though) and not ‘males’. It always feels a bit weird and I’m personally not a fan of that- so I looked into his channel for a bit. Then I seem to recall some misgendering, so even more dubious. Lastly I’m fairly sure he deleted some of his older content because I remember seeing old videos mocking SJWs or leftists or similar… I mean it was a fairly old video iirc so he could’ve changed his mind... MAYBE.
*edited to add:* so I've watched the video and I agree with you. Although you give him the benefit of the doubt waaaaaaayyyy more than me lol.
Everything's my opinion but to me sometimes the intentions behind his videos seems to originate from (either/or):
- salt;
- a superiority complex;
- a desire to clout-chase;
- a desire to please the algorithm for the only purpose of money (and/or narcissism)
The latter is totally ok I mean it's what most UA-camrs do, but in his case he doesn't seem to do a lot of work/research, refuses to go in depth but still pretends each video is a documentary, and portrays himself as objective when his own biases just transpire through his words (like most of us). The most work goes to make his content digestible and aesthetically pleasing for anyone so they watch his videos. The only work would be in his editing, *assuming* he's the one editing his videos ofc.
So here's my conclusion on how I see most of his content: no substance, no depth, 100% surface level.
Honestly the first Sunnyv2 video I saw made me realise that the video essay meta on UA-cam was leading to really poorly researched and insubstantial video essays. It was a video about how collegehumor died but it missed out tonnes of key information which even the slightest amount of research would have uncovered i.e. changes to the UA-cam algorithm, Facebook lying about view counts causing CH to pivot to Facebook, the fact that they had a backlog of content which they began uploading after funding had been pulled to keep the channel active a little longer.
His videos just seem like slightly better produced Cr1TiKaL videos.
In fact it makes me wonder how his content even draws in new viewers? The algorithm knew I was into video essays and Collegehumor and served me that video. But as someone who is actually interested in collegehumor I’m 100 times more qualified to speak about it than SunnyV2 without even having to do the research. I guess it’s sustained on people who want to see a video explaining why *youtuber you already don’t like* received karmic justice for being bad.
On related note, critique of Charlie en mass when?
@@kostajovanovic3711 poorly churned out reaction/light commentary but everyone loves him for some reason
@@flow185 charlie is actually funny and reasonable he's one of the few commenetry channels that don't give anti sjw vibes
@@user-ls9ic5vr1g agree on that last part tbf. Do many commentaty channel have that gamer gate feel to them but he doesnt.
He such a weird guy, I used to like his videos but now he just seems bored and basically turned into a tea spill channel by making up his own tea.
Maybe Sunny never heard about a certain Japanese forest afficionado whose entire shtick is bragging and is one of the most popular influencer.
I feel like the train of logic "thing I liked started doing something I don't like at some point and some time afterwards it lost its popularity, so therefore the reason why it lost it's popularity is specifically because it started doing a thing I don't like" is a lot of analysis put on the internet these days
Honestly, I agree. As much as I agree that bragging about your wealth is crass and really tone deaf as we live in our current era of wealth disparity, it's not responsible for anyone's decline. And it is responsible for many people's rise.
Also wtf kind of biological essentialism is "it's literally written into our DNA to brag.
Immediately as SunnyV2 said that it was written in males' DNA to brag about money, he lost all credibility to me. Takes like that are based in subjective ideals of masculinity rather than objective facts.
i think that was a joke, but im not sure
@@ratvaporizette I would not exactly be surprised if he actually believed in that.
Would somebody just please make a “The Tragic Downfall of SunnyV2” video?
I'm really glad you discussed this topic. I watch a lot of Pyrocynical and Cr1tical, and as streamers they react to Sunny's content quite a bit, and I've felt the same way about it. It always feels like a UA-camr getting less popular or "falling off" is this huge failure to him, when often its just a natural thing. Not every big creator is famous forever. I feel like this topic warrants a full video, I'd love to see you talk about this more =)
A UA-camr bragging about their wealth? Unthinkable!