Lets not forget when Sunny suggested Mrbeast F***ed up by not immediately abandoning one of his bestfriends for being Trans. Really shows you what kind of guy Sunny is.
Ninja said "killing is bad" but then he plays a video game where he kills people. This shows that he does not see value in human life, and in fact enjoys being the one to personally end them.
The way Sunnyv2 talks about content creators is so weird. Like they are fictional characters that exist solely to be perceived by an audience and not real people.
Well because he does see them that way. When Mr Beast's friend came out as trans he made the comparison of "Like characters shoved into a show for cheap representation" and he was constantly talking about the brand of Mr Beast as if the friends of Beast were nothing more than assets. He's terminally online which explains why he does these pseudo-journalistic, heavily biased videos about mostly the popular figures of a country he doesn't reside in. He doesn't have human relationships so the people he sees on the internet (Especially people that belong to groups he hates) might as well be fictitious.
@@legalam can’t find it, i’m thinking it was actually a moon video but they blend together in my head because they both make weird vague right wing content disguised as innocent videos
I've got my own Ninja theory. He became extremely popular in the span of a year. Realized that his audience is mostly children and decided to clean up his act.
That’s just so obviously what happened. Dude got a massive audience & went clean to get his bag. It’s THAT simple. Dude was never racist or a bad person, just more edgy & adult oriented.
@@ThePhantom4516 I wouldn't even say it was just to get money, he probably also realised that, since his audience is mostly children, he has to be more responsible as a matter of principal. Adults can understand nuance and irony far easier, and so if you audience is adults you can safely get away with being a bit edgy - it'll be understood (Pyrocynical comes to mind). But once your audience is children - a more naive, impressionable group by default - you really have to clean up accordingly. Interesting - and this is more at Sonny than you - isn't this what we've always asked of streamers? People have always been quick to criticise those who spread bad attuites to their audiences despite knowing how young said audiences are? It's weird that someone finally shaped up and took responsibility, and people like Sunny are acting like it's a betrayal of values or whatever.
My favorite Sunny moment was in his lotto winner one, where he says specifically a 16 year old girl blew through her lotto winnings by “going on expensive vacations” and making “bad loans” to friends. Because I guess saying “gave money to her friends and took them on vacation with her” relayed a far too generous personality and it didn’t fit the tone of the video.
I love the idea that anyone in gaming space would think that being openly pro-BLM would _boost_ their popularity. You know, gamers, famous for their love for progressive causes.
Yes, COD 4 lobbies were MLK's dream😂 Sunny just seems like the average opinionated asshole that for some reason has a highly respected reputation. I don't understand it, he's always come off like a smug hypocrite to me
sunnyv2 tries so hard to pretend he isn't right-wing but it always comes through one way or another. It takes every fiber of his being not to use the word "libtard" in every other sentence.
i forget which video i was watching but it was pretty normal and then he just blurted out something about sjws and then kept going like nothing happened. i was like oh this guys alt right slipped out for a sec
@@jaqfare you talking about the one where he says “it’s the same argument that idiotic feminists use about stuff like the gender pay gap”? I’m obsessed with that clip tbh, it comes out of nowhere and it has literally nothing to do with what he was talking about.
There’s also that video about ticsandroses whose thumbnail contains their bio, which has “non-binary ~ they/them” in it. Then, when you watch the video, you shrivel in disgust as he misgenders them for 13 minutes straight. He similarly misgendered OnlyJayus in his video about them. I get that these folks are shitty, but that doesn’t make it okay to misgender them. It could’ve been an accident, and if so, I hope he’s been made aware of his mistake. But if not, it would align with the “closeted right-winger” narrative we’re constructing for him.
tbf i think he means that Ninja 'went woke' to appeal to wider audiences and it backfired because his fans condemned that behavior as 'fake'. Sunny's reasoning behind everything just to confirm his bias is the problem here. He just pulls shit out of his ass to claim he has a proof that political correctness ruined another career.
I hate very few things, but when someone says "You are a (blank), stay out of politics." I hate that. It's okay to be concerned with politics. Politics are certainly concerned with us. Leaving politics to the politicians is a problem.
There is no such thing as apolitical media. Everything you do is political; complaining about the price of groceries expresses your political opinion on food tariffs or commercial agriculture throwing away supply to increase the price, taking a branded sponsorship is an endorsement of that company and their politics, and saying "you shouldn't say something so political" in response to anti-racism is just saying that you see racism as a default state of being.
@@InfiniteDeckhand nobody likes politics in their video games. If a UA-cam gamer started talking about how abortion is evil, I would feel just as put off as if that person said abortion is good. Video games are meant as an escape anyways.
I love how SunnyV2's default assumption when someone says something political he disagrees with is "this person is faking for attention" and not "this person holds options I don't".
In the ninja video, what he seems to be saying is that people are incapable of changing for the better. And if they seem to have changed, they're just a fake who is lying to themselves.
I wonder how sunny watches movies. Like, movies with character development and stuff. "And so Luke decides to lie to himself and pretend he's a good jedi for clout."
And because Harry insisted on being Gryffindor, he lost the Slytherin part of his fanbase in favor of appealing to the "good" Gryffindors instead. He has been losing subscribers in the Slytherin audience ever since due to his pursuit of a fake woke identity.
I always got weird vibes from the channel but what (very quickly) made me drop the channel completely was his video on Ryan's toy review. His conclusion on the topic was that Ryan hasn't been and isn't being exploited because he seems okay with it now that he's older. I have never seen someone make such a one sided conclusion and completely gloss over all the real, possible negative effects filming can have on a child.
His video on Sis vs Bro was so weird and just plain mean, I dropped the channel after watching it. No, a teenager wanting to separate herself from her child star image is not "arrogant" or "entitled." These actual children don't owe the internet a damn thing, and it's understandable that a young girl trying to grow into her own person reacts poorly to comments like "you've changed!" or "I liked the old Karina more!!"
I think there was also a video about how the military had to do something ( I forgot but it had something to do with racism and a black person) because people are so sensitive nowadays, the solution being people need to stop caring so much about (insert bigoted belief) because companies are walking on eggshells now, idk I don’t remember much but it was definitely distasteful
SunnyV2 is socially conservative. Again, most of his videos, regardless of the title, are about how said personality has betrayed their fans, committed hypocrisy, or "sold out to appeal to a wider audience" by becoming more socially liberal (deciding not to be casually racist anymore, deciding not to be a dick to random people anymore, deciding they're a feminist, etc, etc). It's never a hypocrisy thing. It's a getting older; changing their mind thing, and he's mad people aren't staying in the playpen with him.
Nailed it. He thinks he is fighting a culture war and he thinks he has people fooled by not being upfront about it. Seems to be working for now, but you can only watch so many of his videos before you start to see the very strict pattern and just how lazy all of his content was from the start.
"Abraham lincoln, honest abe. Or so he had you believe. Last year he said he was 15, now he claims to be 16. Which is it abe?! Better keep your stories straight."
@@DriscolDevil it reminds me of a channel called moon that’s like the society/ red pill /men are suffering brother to sunnyv2, their both popping off and it’s kind of sad one is just more mainstream covering popular creators everybody knows
tbh it's rare that you encounter a smart/cowardly conservative so committed to the bit that they're willing to say, in effect, "If you've ever bullied someone, you should bully everyone forever", just to paint someone as a hypocrite. Accusations of hypocrisy should be, like, the side dish to accusations of actual wrongdoing. Like, if someone exposed Coffeezilla for running a Ponzi scheme, the hypocrisy would serve to show that there was conscious immorality at work. But it's very noticeable that, when a social conservative wants to attack someone for not being a social conservative, they will really talk up the supposed hypocrisy, and the actual wrongdoing will be pathetically small if not completely fictional. And it's because they know damn well that leading with "Ninja isn't racist and I hate that about him" would be pretty indefensible.
i think it's incredibly concerning how popular sunnyv2's videos are getting because of how he constructs narratives that don't exist. unlike a lot of other youtubers who make video essays about other content creators, sunnyv2's intentions just seem like he wants to push a manufactured agenda rather than understand a person and their career
i’ve always thought the way sunny makes videos is he figures out what title will get the most clicks and then just makes up shit to fit the supposed narrative the title implies
Speaks to the power of aesthetics. SunnyV2 edits like a normal video essay, but has the content of a typical drama youtuber where they just kinda say shit that happened and draw some wacky conclusions. If he was just a dude filming himself in his room I suspect he'd have far less credibility.
He uploads like one video per week which is about as long as most video essay type youtubers spend just editing. I doubt he spends more that a couple of hours researching. He probably does the bare minimum while he's writing, and finds the examples while he's editing. That would explain why the tweets he shows don't match what he's saying.
The first video of his I watched I left like 2 minutes in because he kept misgendering the person he was talking about. I guess it's par for the course for this kind of guy.
SunnyV2 has always been like this. Always felt right leaning and baiting, bordering on bullying. Speculation and armchair psychology about how everyone is a boogeyman under the guise of being a "documentary". It reminds me of Moon. Watching it has always felt like brain rot, while pretending to be anything of genuine value.
the "he doesn't know he's fake" is such a weird point, like if you don't know you're fake are you even fake?? its the deciding factor in that judgement actually
I guess maybe you could like, posit that someone is inauthentic in a way they lack the self awareness to recognize. Like someone who only does charity when it can be in a visible way that makes you look good but still thinning of yourself as someone who’s charitable just for the sake of it. It’s a really weird idea and I think I’m being overly charitable in thinking that’s what they could be going for. Accusing people of being fake or virtue signaling is really easy to claim while really hard to disprove.
Ack this is like when I'm in the grocery store or laundrette + see an artist whose work I really respect, but they seem pretty lowkey + chill + non-celeb-seeking so it 'd feel intrusive to bug them in public by gushing over their art, but the urge to thank them keeps growing, so I spend a few agonizingly eternal minutes consciously trying to not be/act weird despite the weirdness of the proximal setting & just get my errand done, but mentally blotting out the artist's presence gets more + more cognitively overwhelming, until I just panic & run out of the store or whatever. Anyways, wow it's cool to see Patti-Taxx here.
I hate that the internet has this idea that if you're a toxic person, then that's the "real you" and if you try to do something positive, it's seen as being fake. It discourages real improvement. Good people sometimes do bad things, that's not hypocrisy, that's just part of life.
Something I've picked up on is that the modern internet is *extremely* unforgiving. People are unwilling to accept that someone can be a good person who made a mistake. It's a very scary mentality, and it's becoming more prevalent and important than the real world.
@@msjkramey I'm not talking about people being able to come back from being canceled. It's not about that side of it, it's about the witch hunt that goes down. The people see a reason to hate someone and they will do it. Everyone seems to be quick to throw stones for any reason and forgiveness isn't an option for them in that moment. They attack way too easily and often, without regard for any nuance or bigger picture.
The idea that negativity and bad behaviour is inherently more honest than positivity and goodness is a genuine tripping point for a lot of people, an immature way to see the world. Suggesting that Ninja's intention to become a marginally better person is a farce and a rebellion against the politically correct, hence archetypally "honest" and "natural" state that SunnyV2 thinks he should be trapped in is so weird
As a man who used to be a South Park watching boy, I think some shows like South Park and Rick and Morty teach (usually) boys that apathy and cruelty are qualities tied to secular enlightenment/rationalism. That’s obviously bullshit, as any adult would know. But most of the people following or commenting on twitch streamers are under 25, and haven’t realized that they’re not smart, they’re actually just assholes. Can’t judge too hard. I didn’t stop being an asshole until I was 25, either.
love your comment badger six eight eight two, sunny spends a whole lot of time seemingly projecting. ninja showed change while sunny spent his time regurgitating the same made up talking points and mindlessly applying them to every person he "investigates".
There's being a _nice guy_ then there's being a good guy, I'm not saying that ninja is a nice guy here not to get confused what I'm saying. Just because someone is a good guy doesn't mean they're a _nice guy,_ it seems that SunnyV2 doesn't understand that difference neither.
@@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 South park, rick and morty and other adult comedy cartoons are a helpful addition to the conversation, I think. Thanks for mentioning. They definitely carry that idea of cruelty = truth, and brutal honestly = the only true honesty. The younger audience is definitely susceptible to the reactionary communities in general.
Love that Sunny is hailed by others as some kind of non-biased and purely objective being when the dude's tone is " clearly pissed off " as he sprinkles in weird unnecessary remarks throughout his videos, you can hear the pure anguished strain on his voice over certain people. It's a real shame he deleted his video about Shane Dawson being a victim of le cancel culture, I think this shows us his dark side descent into madness fake persona tbh
Damn I didn't know he made a video about Shane Dawson. A few UA-camrs I watch react to his videos and he gets treated like some genius mini documentarian. I only really watched his videos for background noise. I prefer TRO and Joon the King.
The thing is, Sunny's video is made for people who think bullying is cool, but who are too cowardly to just say that outright. So the only way they can criticize someone for saying "bullying is bad" is by gesturing at imagined hypocrisy, or by narrativizing it, like "he's just doing it to look good".
He titled it that way for views. Extreme negativity gets more clicks. Thats why titles say: The end of marvel!! The WORST SHOW/MOVIE EVER!! The Downfall of , Darkside of and Blank EXPOSED(SLO4N)😂
I... can't remember the last time I've seen someone unironically do the "negative color footage, so the person looks SCAWY" thing. With the music and everything. Holy shit
In fairness a shit load of other video essays have this "Jangling keys in face" kinda editing. Not really a sunny issue, especially if there was any meat on the bone here.
@@dp7552SunnyV made a very transphobic video about one of Mr.Beasts friend claiming she'd be the downfall of his channel because she was/is transitioning.
What made me unfollow him was the way he was talking about body positivity: Portraying Nickocado Avocado as a genius because he makes fat jokes while being overweight and comparing it to "annoying" body positivity activists who fight for acceptance. It shows what he thinks of any progressive movement: SJW = annoying, fake / anti-SJW = authentic, honest. In the end all he was saying was that he prefers Nickocado's content over the content of people who speak out against fat-phobia. In his worldview people who fight discrimination deserve to be made fun of because they're "annoying" but Nickocado makes fat jokes seem harmless, that's why he likes him. My biggest issue with this is that SunnyV2 makes a moral point out of this preference and completely discredits the body positivity movement along the way. It's a pattern you can see in many of his videos about other topics like sexism or racism.
"Fat people who want acceptance = bad and not what I want, fat people who make fun of themselves and other fat people = good and what I like to do too", not very complicated
The irony of this SunnyV2 guy constantly complaining about cancel culture yet he made this whole click bait video over stuff Ninja has already apologized for and changed his behavior over.
Cancel Culture is 4 the birds. It's a word that means less and less by the day and ppl like Sunny are why. Can't wait for normies to finally recognize it as a dumb right wing smear like "woke" is now.
@@mechanomics2649 it's so funny that people have coined the term "cancel culture" and treat it like a boogeyman. For the most part, what they call cancel culture, the rest of the normal world calls "facing consequences for your actions"
Yeah, Sunny is a pathetic hypocrite. He says he hates cancel culture, but every single video he makes is personally and vitriolically attacking people on the basis of his perception of the quality of their content. (Sometimes, of course, these attacks are justified.)
its funny because hes the type of guy to justify someone being racist years ago with “people can change:/“ unless its someone he doesnt like. then theyre a hypocritical attention-seeker
my fav sunnyv2 moment was when in his sis vs bro video he painted the girl (karina) as a bad person going down a bad route because she disliked the videos of her past and publically declared that. oh and that she was doing regularly teenage things. he DIDNT say these about the boy (ronald) despite him being openly misogynistic & showcasing harmful views. despite that he still painted karina in a bad manner as if their entire youtube career wasn’t essentially their parents exploiting them
someone should make a video called "the dark side of sunnyv2" where he complains about sjws and cancel culture thinking people cant change followed by a clip of him using ninja's past bullying to say he's a hypocrite for speaking out against bullying
reactionaries simultaneously say "you think this person is good? ha! well, look at this thing they did 5 years ago" while also saying "cancel culture has gone wild, people are using tweets from 5 years ago (that i don't even denounce) against me" absolutely incoherent ideology
Unfortunately though we all have to walk on eggshells for triggered anti-sjw snowflakes. So that’s one thing to at least look out for when making that video.
Whenever I see petty internet drama hit pieces that bring nothing of substance to light, I always think of that attack ad in Clone High: "Last year, Abe said he was 15 years old. Now he claims to be 16. Which is it, Abe? Better keep your story straight."
@@stapler942 Id say they stop just shy of it. Ill never forget this one political slander flyer I got in the mail that used the most blatant manipulation to try and convince you their candidate was better. The "good" candidate had a high quality press photo next to a list of puffed-up positives, and no joke the "bad" one had what looked like a fifth page of Google image search JPEG of the dude with a broken arm lmao. They weren't even trying. "Do YOU want a low-resolution candidate who doesn't even have functioning limbs, my dear voter???"
The thing with sunny is that his videos seem like and presents itself as a video essay or deep dive but then you think about it and it’s really more like a rant that feels like it should have some csgo knife flipping in the background.
I love when someone expresses bare minimum human decency and they get criticized for being fake lmao. Ppl who think that way are either really young or terminally online 😆
Remember when it was "just edgy jokes?" Now it's suspicion and takedown videos if you so much as suggest that you shouldn't act like a bigot. It's pretty obvious who his videos are meant to appeal to. He's just smart enough to not put it upfront like a quartering or sargan.
I'm glad someone is FINALLY pushing back on SunnyV2's content, dude has always rubbed me the wrong way and I constantly see streamers talking up his content.
the only sunnyv2 video i’ve ever seen was one he made about notch (the creator of minecraft), who got bullied off twitter after he constantly posted extremely bigoted and especially transphobic hate speech, and the conclusion sunny came to was that notch was a victim of sjw cancel culture and everyone was sooooo mean to him and how sad it was. he went on and on about how people were mean to him on the internet but curiously never showed anything notch himself tweeted
Notch is an actual nazi, like the white nationalist anti-semite kind... Like that isn't the case of some misguided attack... Seems to be a bit of a pattern to SunnyV2's behaviour.
It's so transparent. If you talk about your leftist politics you are a phony, that is faking it and also alienating half of your fanbase, but if you are an outright transphobe like Notch, you are just being honest, and the world is out to get you for having ""innocent"" political views.
The comments on that video are great. "I guess he learned money isn't everything"....like, I guess, but also, being a bigot also tends to push decent people in your life away from you.
For a long time I legitimately felt insane because it was immediately obvious to me that he was a reactionary dipshit yet so many normie youtubers I used to like continue to speak highly of his content. It forced me to think about whether those people are also reactionaries or if they just don't have the media literacy to sniff that stuff out.
sunny always rubbed me the wrong way since the "fake disorder cringe" video where he consistently misgender one of the people he's calling out. he even put their pronouns in the thumbnail yet couldn't be bothered using em, which indicates to me that he only did that because it would get transphobes and transmeds to click on the video that makes fun of a nonbinary person [update 15/4 2023] WELL WELL WELL. WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT. i've always wanted to say this, but *I TOLD YOU SO*
i was always worried to call his misgendering out because I didn’t wanna get called some “SJW” or something. But that was first thing that really turned me away from sunny.
oh wow. i'm not surprised nor dissapointed, just disgusted, really. i mean, not like i expected this clearly "anti-woke" guy to respect someone who isn't on his way of thinking.
Sunny always reminded me of those anti woke channels that whine about lgbtq people and women getting more representation in media (like the quartering) and I never really knew why. I haven't seen the video you mentioned but its devastating to hear
"mommy mommy, my favourite fortnite streamer isn't being as racist as i want him to be" "don't worry darling, i'm sure he's just faking it and deep down he's as racist as you"
I feel like I try to be a pretty chill dude, and most people in my life would say I'm a decent guy, maybe even a good guy, but if you collected enough clips of the times in my life I lost my shit or wasn't as kind to someone as I should have been, and backed it with some spooky music, you could easily make me out to be some kind of monster.
And obviously, you opening the door for other person is "virtue signaling" because I have a clip of you kicking a door in a fit of rage once. Everything bad you did is the true you. Every attempt at kindness makes you a "phony". And you changing your mind because you got more informed is just you pretending to be good wether you realize it or not. At least according to SunnyV2
People seem to have developed this weird brain worm from listening to conservatives who are called out on strong hypocrisy that react by saying no, their political opponent is the ACTUAL hypocrite even though its always almost way less harmful or they have apologized for the action. This whole owning people because they said one thing but did another thing culture is so pathetic...literally everyone has done it as some points but context and nuance are too damn hard for people since they take time and attention.
Absolutely - anyone can be made to look like a monster if you have enough clips of them. People aren’t always cool and that’s just a part of learning to be human. If all of my mistakes/weird behaviours as a teen were catalogued, I’d probably look like some degenerate lol
Yeah like there could be someone who was genuinely a nice person but like maybe they got really stressed/angry and said same bad shit. Like some people say when you’re angry you’ve “removed your filter” or “are showing your true colours” but like when you’re angry or stressed can’t really make cognitive thinking stuff and people are just banking off of one incident that happens to everyone and is making the person out to be a monster and like especially if it happens more than once
I noticed there’s was something kind of up with SunnyV2 when he was making a video about why Shane Dawson’a return failed. When brining up how he pretended to pleasure himself to a picture of a young Willow Smith, he prefaced bringing them up by saying the Smith family was Hollywood’s biggest joke, which seemed sort of out of pocket and random when talking about how one of the family’s members were grossly sexualized.
It stands out heavily once you get used to it, jfc, even the comics explained guy has a lil incel streak that some how manages to pop its head up when its not called for lol
SunnyV2 scares me not because of his content, but because of his audience. He is taking advantage of a trend that has always existed. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people completely lack the ability to question their surroundings, think critically, or analyze events and states around them. These people are incredibly vulnerable to the likes of Sunny, who can just say whatever he wants without actually supporting it. Notice how he showed two different clips of Ninja speaking, one of him denouncing bad play and the other of him denouncing bullying. These are not in contradiction whatsoever, and yet just because SunnyV2 says that the first clip is genuine and the second isn't, he is able to completely brainwash an entire audience into believing it, because they don't have the mental faculties to question what about these clips actually supports what Sunny is saying.
I also hold a lot of anger towards Penguinz0 and other "apolitical" UA-camrs who have given him such a huge audience. SunnyV2 is blatantly right wing but it's hard for privileged white men like Penguinz0 to see it, because they desperately want to stay middle of the road between outright racism and anti racism. There is no "middle of the road" that ends up being non harmful to oppressed groups though, and everything in between the two fields is only ever helpful to those doing the oppressing.
Best part is when - during a segment where Sunny says Ninja is fake because he doesn't believe in the politics he was supporting - he plays a clip of Sneako literally saying it's better to be fake and hide your political opinions so people will like you. It's clear Sunny does not give one single shit about whether Ninja is fake. He's just mad that Ninja has political opinions he doesn't like.
Really highlighting the issue that you can pretty much release any propaganda on YT served up in a deep dive documentary style format, and actually manipulate people.
He really tries to stretch out drama to get that sweet sweet monetization with very contrasted images of the culprit in question being disheveled or worn down with a big title name saying "EXPOSED" to get a view to click on it. He tries to hide how he wants to expose the persons already old drama that has been already discussed and closed with an essay format on how he wants to not cancel the person while also antagonizing the person. He's overall very scummy
Sunny's popularity is really concerning to me, people like Critikal have given him a platform without realizing how reactionary he is, and I'm really worried that very apolitical/vaguely left leaning youtubers could be suckered into a lot of reactionary talking points and shift youtuber fanbases in a really bad direction. I just don't want people like sunny to cause a spike in right wing bullshit online. As a trans person, I am really worried about a second Gamergate
i have NO idea who this youtuber is but it's embarrassing to think that some people are taking him as like... an intelligent and unbiased opinion source? this video alone has a ton of red flags. he straight up played a sneako clip... I'm not a critikal fan but platforming this guy? ew.,
@@marcmothersole8265 I do not know what "acc" is short for but gamergate was when a bunch of white game dudes and grifters like Sargon of Akkad turned a legit demand for publishers to stop witholding advance press review copies to journalists that don't give them good scores into slandering a female game dev of "sleeping with journalists for good reviews" and dogpiling one of the OneShot devs to suicide.
@@marcmothersole8265 Gamergate was a huge reactionary pushback against people like journalists who criticized aspects of gaming like Anita Sarkeesian. Many people interpreted these criticisms as an attack on gaming in general and it became a huge thing back in the mid 2010s.
SunnyV2 honestly has the dumbest takes I've ever seen. In so many of his videos he frames changing and growing into a more mature and adult person as a moral failure, like you said. His bro vs sis vid convinced me that he really does not get that people do not want to be static the rest of their lives and changes to their personality are out of character. He said that the sister was spoiled and entitled but lmao she's like 14-16 and spent a good hunk of her childhood entertaining people? And then to get probably dozens of people a day asking her why isn't she doing stuff like she did she a kid is probably irritating and grating for someone who just wants to move the hell on with their life. It boggles my mind that people agreed with him that she's entitled and spoiled when she's just sick of people asking her to entertain them like she did when she was little and expecting her to still act like the little girl from years ago. He's a weird little slightly alt righty channel and his videos are pretty bad
@@Khamthegoblin Makes me think we just have a new generation of young men from 12-18 who are in this alt-right pipeline. I got out of it a few years ago after the immature and petty squabbles over the Star Wars movie from 2017 and that subculture still looks so lost and bitter today. SunnyV2 may be the archetype of a dumb kid whose mouth runs faster than reason.
Personal growth is inconsistent with preordained hierarchy. In that regard, he could be considered more internally consistent than your average rightoid.
The deep emptiness at the core of people who hate "virtue signaling" is so upsetting. "This person is being not racist and not shitty, therefor he must be lying"
It reminds me of the cynical people on reddit who end up on r/nothingeverhappens because they are so poisoned by self doubt they assume everyone else is as disingenuous as them and therefore always lying. Its like no...sometimes people hold beliefs *because they actually believe them*
and thing is "virtue signalling" does exist, but its almost never the case when someone is accused of it. brands on twitter making empty progressive statements to market themselves while committing countless human rights violations on a huge scale is virtue signaling, they are being intentionally deceptive by using progressive language to promote their own brand and try to cover up whatever evil things theyve done. some guy on the internet expressing leftist beliefs isnt virtue signaling.
honestly that guys brand of “commentary” is part of a branch of youtube i think in general is very bad faith, more focused on “drama” and petty feuds. they have like weird centrist brainworms vibes and are always eating their own tails
I have never liked ninja and always found him to be cringy but oddly enough SunnyV2’s video made me like him more simply because he was unable to bring forth any evidence of him being actually problematic lol
People who are incapable of basic empathy will always assume that other people only do/say nice things "to look good," "for attention," "virtue signaling," etc. I think its very telling that Sunnyv2, and the weird guys that he seems to be speaking for, is incapable of rationalizing why a creator would want to improve as a human being and just be a better person. Surely there must be something nefarious going on when a guy starts trying to be nicer, right? He can't possibly be doing nice things because he genuinely wants to, thats insane!
SunnyV2 is one of those people who have skipped past the "mask off" phase by never masking his very nasty preferences to begin with. He gets VERY MAD that Ninja sometimes says decent things to his large, young audience and also says he loves a different streamer who frequently bullies his opponents and throws tantrums. Gee, I sure care about the opinions of this weirdly hateful dude!
I mean I like watching compilations of streamers raging at games and smashing their keyboards, but I don’t think every streamer should do it just because it’s entertaining
And unironically quoting Sneako. Not only is that a huge red flag, it’s also hypocritical (y’know, the very thing Sunny is accusing Ninja of being) because Sneako has also driven off a non-insignificant portion of his old audience with his trip down the redpill rabbit hole and attempts to be Andrew Tate Jr.
I forgot SunnyV2 existed because I clicked the "Don't recommend channel" on his channel a couple years ago. He struck me as basically just Australian Keemstar-- just a mean-spirited drama fiend. The sad thing is that he's actually a lot more tactful than he used to be-- if you watch his earliest videos (if he hasn't privated them) he's a lot more mask-off with how much he enjoys smearing other public figures. IDK what his problem is.
EXACTLY i found him before on a random reaction channel and after watching a few of his videos he started to give off k33mst4r vibes and i started avoiding his channel. good thing i sensed it from afar because god he's awful
I didn’t know the “don’t recommend channel feature” works I’ve doing that multiple times to different channels and it still shoves that bullshit in my face
He also tried to pull that shit with Shane Dawson but I think the video didn't go over well so he took it down lol. Maybe he'll try to redeem Onision next who knows 🙃
honestly the level of projection sunny is doing is embarassing. If ninja had become a trump supporter no one would call him out for being fake bc he wasnt racist in the past, theyre just salty to see someone so big from that side of the gaming community not be a bigot and openly denouncing it
it’s like when jerma was vocal about transphobic chat comments, and bigoted fans went into crybaby mode. saw someone say “he has way more comedic potential if he stops catering to [insert transphobic slur here]”
The most confusing part in the whole video happens when SunnyV2 claims Ninja is a fake and a phony and he doesn't even know it. Like, the idea behind the whole video is that Ninja is knowingly being deceptive, knowingly trying to portray himself as someone who he isn't. But if he doesn't even know about it, how is that deceptive? Is he claiming that he knows what's best for him, the true essence of his soul and Ninja's just lying to himself? It kinda reminds me of Jordan Peterson claiming that that magazine having a fat lady on its front page was tricking people into liking fat women and somehow that's a deceptive process. It feels like JP and SunnyV2 are making the same mistake of watching people doing something and when faced with the fact that they are willingly acting in a way they don't like, they just kinda assume that they are somehow part of a deceptive process, basically lying to themselves. I think this reveals a very essentialistic view of the people on JP side and of Ninja on SunnV2's: they see the subject they're analysing as essentially something they can't change about themselves and when the facts collide with that vision, they can't accept it.
AMAZING point. there's a whole thesis in there somewhere. it's making me realize how common it is, no matter who a person is, to assume other people are faking or lying when it doesn't align with what they believe... damn. how entitled is that. it reminds me of in middle school when you start to like something new and the other kids assume you're just doing it to be cool or whatever
@@hell0mega To expand on this whole faking/lying about opinions a bit, IMO (not that my opinion really matters on this, I'm just some bro on the internet) reactionaries don't really like thinking that shedding conservative/bigoted beliefs is genuine positive growth. There's definitely at least *some* moral imperative to not believe anyone adopting progressive beliefs and only regard them as clout chasers, not because of what it says about the person who changed, but because of what it says about the reactionaries who *haven't* yet changed. When they see someone genuinely change and get positive attention and praise for it, they have to think it's fake cynical bullshit, because if they don't, the next logical thought could be "Wait, If so many people like it and think that stopping being a conservative dickhead is good and makes you become a decent human, shouldn't I change too?"
The more you watch SunnyV2, the more you realize he's just a clickbait channel. Almost all of the tweets and comments he features in his videos have likes and retweets in the single digits. He's cherrypicking things to serve the narrative he wants to portray. His videos on streamers and youtubers cheating in games or going to real life jail are obnoxious. He scrapes the bottom of the barrel to pick on people with 3k subs.
If youve changed to a point where you hate your past self, then you are a hypocrite. Because you are guilty of what you criticize. Also I love how leftists talk like they enjoy forgiveness. That's very funny.
@@Jonathan-us1qu I like how he showed a random UA-cam comment to explain his point, that just rants about how those darn gay people in media are just written poorly and made to push an agenda. I’d love to know what this agenda is, that’s being pushed by gay people existing, lol.
@@ilikeships9333it is a big BIIIIIG contrast to the comment section in that specific chris tyson sunnyv2 video. It's like all the transphobes crawled out of their basements
the inescapable thing for me here, is that Sunny makes a really big deal about how Ninja virtue signals for his audience, so he stays popular or whatever. but also, how Ninja's audience hates his virtue signalling. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. It leaves me with the idea the Ninja might actually be a dude with some level of integrity. Which is funny, because that is exactly the opposite of what SunnyV2 wants
I once watched a video from SunnyV2 channel and was pretty confused. It felt like there was 1-2 minutes of information thinly spread over 15 minutes with constant repetitions. And the video had like 1 million views. And I just thought that maybe I didn't get something. Maybe that video had some incredible value that I just couldn't understand. Since then I keep getting a feeling that I might've understood all the value in that video after all...
honestly I had a really similar experience where the first SunnyV2 video I ever watched was the one about fake videos about building these crazy mud houses by hand, which seems to be one of the few if not good but watchable videos from him. it's the kind of catharsis of watching a fake youtube channel get eXpOsEd which is fun to watch and easy to digest. it made me think this must be a Good UA-cam Channel so I wanted to see more but then it just... well it was exactly what you described. I was getting a whole lot of repetitive info and judgemental moral takes and not a lot of that genuine information I thought I'd see more of. I was so confused at how what I thought was another good video essay channel actually just had one random video hook me in and otherwise had a whole lot of nothing that I wanted to see
@@hauntedsunsets Oh my god, I watched a video about how all those "primitive build" videos were fake a while back, too! Did I watch a SunnyV2 video at some point without realizing it? I genuinely don't remember what video it was.
the only videos I've seen of him were like 90% reading through joke comments next to explaining something in a serious tone, i couldn't believe people would willingly watch this stuff
No one is actually watching these rise and fall of youtuber "documentaries" and paying attention. They put them on as background noise and do other things. The length, well spoken narrator, and production value suggests high quality content but it's not. UA-cam junk food mindlessly consumed
I'm so glad this popped up in my recommendations. Sunny's videos have always felt like he's crafting a narrative about the subject that either isn't there or with a bias
i know this one is long for Little Joel. Idk man, no way could this go on the main channel lol
I hope one day you swap uploading little joel's videos into big joel's and vice-versa and don't say a word.
This is why a Medium Joel channel is needed.
The masses clamor for medium Joel!
@@user-ro9md9wp3j How about just an Average Joe(l)
I'll take more react content, I personally will
Lets not forget when Sunny suggested Mrbeast F***ed up by not immediately abandoning one of his bestfriends for being Trans.
Really shows you what kind of guy Sunny is.
British
This is a joke sorry
@@littlecommie27even worse, he's australian
(this is also a joke i don't hate aussies)
@@existential_horror5045I do
@@existential_horror5045 At least he's not the LOWEST, White South african
(once again, a joke)
Ninja said "killing is bad" but then he plays a video game where he kills people. This shows that he does not see value in human life, and in fact enjoys being the one to personally end them.
This shouldn't be too surprising, since ninja has always been known to be low on compassion
This joke could apply to most anything.
I mean ninjas were assassins in Japan. Hes clearly chosen this name because he likes murdering people. In real life! Allegedly.
Killing...like IRL. You know its different from a game, right?
@@olympiaelda1121 that's the joke
The way Sunnyv2 talks about content creators is so weird. Like they are fictional characters that exist solely to be perceived by an audience and not real people.
Well because he does see them that way. When Mr Beast's friend came out as trans he made the comparison of "Like characters shoved into a show for cheap representation" and he was constantly talking about the brand of Mr Beast as if the friends of Beast were nothing more than assets. He's terminally online which explains why he does these pseudo-journalistic, heavily biased videos about mostly the popular figures of a country he doesn't reside in. He doesn't have human relationships so the people he sees on the internet (Especially people that belong to groups he hates) might as well be fictitious.
the only sunnyv2 video i made the mistake of clicking on before i knew who he was he was just making fun of a 14 year old youtuber for being trans
You are correct, they are not real people
@@spaceghostmiidname of video? I want to watch it
@@legalam can’t find it, i’m thinking it was actually a moon video but they blend together in my head because they both make weird vague right wing content disguised as innocent videos
I've got my own Ninja theory. He became extremely popular in the span of a year. Realized that his audience is mostly children and decided to clean up his act.
seems legit. and i cant be mad about that
sounds like youre covering for his DARK SIDE
That’s just so obviously what happened. Dude got a massive audience & went clean to get his bag. It’s THAT simple. Dude was never racist or a bad person, just more edgy & adult oriented.
And his DmC remake was crap
@@ThePhantom4516 I wouldn't even say it was just to get money, he probably also realised that, since his audience is mostly children, he has to be more responsible as a matter of principal. Adults can understand nuance and irony far easier, and so if you audience is adults you can safely get away with being a bit edgy - it'll be understood (Pyrocynical comes to mind). But once your audience is children - a more naive, impressionable group by default - you really have to clean up accordingly.
Interesting - and this is more at Sonny than you - isn't this what we've always asked of streamers? People have always been quick to criticise those who spread bad attuites to their audiences despite knowing how young said audiences are? It's weird that someone finally shaped up and took responsibility, and people like Sunny are acting like it's a betrayal of values or whatever.
I love the idea that someone’s “dark side” is not being racist
Lmao 😂😂😂
Well for the KKK members it's a dark side. No joke intended.
reminds me of those memes from a while back like:
Evil Ninja be like
Black Lives Matter
You sheep all hyper-fixated on a solitary out of context point
@@silloweet How so? He’s said something pro Black Lives Matter and Sunny found the one ratiod hater and highlighted it as if it was everywhere.
Ninja is low in compassion. In Fortnite, after killing someone, you’re supposed to travel to the grieving widow’s house to break the news in person.
I'm sorry I sniped your husband while he's dancing on the rooftop. I'm also sorry for typing ggez after that.
A genuinely funny comment lol
imo this is even funnier bc in real life this would actually be even worse idk controversial maybe
Presumably by hitting the griddy on them
This is true I once traveled hundreds of miles to bury an enemy player under a rare tree from their home land.
General rule of thumb: Sneako being used as a source = argument invalid
Especially nowadays hahaha
Lmao 💀
Sneako the Pedo. The most respectable source of information there is.
Sneako used as a source = use corpse as fertilizer
@@billxrl4154just be careful, not all plants enjoy high acidity or toxicity in their soil 😊
My favorite Sunny moment was in his lotto winner one, where he says specifically a 16 year old girl blew through her lotto winnings by “going on expensive vacations” and making “bad loans” to friends. Because I guess saying “gave money to her friends and took them on vacation with her” relayed a far too generous personality and it didn’t fit the tone of the video.
"Gave money to her friends and took them on vacation" is still unbelievably irresponsible if it's ALL of the lotto money
he uploads what he wants it don’t hurt anyone why make this comment 💀
Of all the examples to bring up of Sunny being dishonest, this is easily the lowest IQ take to use, my guy.
@@jared_aa7453 Nathan's comment doesn't hurt anyone, so why make your comment 🤡
But she was “too nice” that money should have gone to greedier people lmfao
Sunnyv2 is the type of guy to say cancel culture is the worst thing ever and then call out someone for “getting too political”
Aka a conservative
@@enotsnavdier6867 shhh the apolitical people get mad when you call them that
@@EggyDaxy LMFAOO 💀
@@EggyDaxy so do centrists for that matter lmao
When progressives say progressive things this is "cancel culture".
When conservatives say conservative things this is "freedom of speech".
If being anti-racism alienates half your audience, then you have done something seriously wrong while building your community.
Exactly 😭
I read this comment & then screamed, “BINGO!”
It's not about that it's about how he became a bitch nigga afraid to have a opinion
Well said pallas cat
Unless people don't want to listen to rhetoric, virtue signaling and politics.
makes me wonder how bad the v1 of Sunny must've been
He used to make fordnite videos yeah the joke writes itself
@@theschnozzler that explains quite a lot
Holy shit but how's v3 of sunny gonna be
That model was scrapped before he could be shown to the public.
I love the idea that anyone in gaming space would think that being openly pro-BLM would _boost_ their popularity. You know, gamers, famous for their love for progressive causes.
G*mers
Yes, COD 4 lobbies were MLK's dream😂
Sunny just seems like the average opinionated asshole that for some reason has a highly respected reputation. I don't understand it, he's always come off like a smug hypocrite to me
@@stephengrigg5988 SunnyV2 isn't one guy, it's an entire automated team of people pushing out video essays that are effectively brain junk food.
But BLM isn't even progressive. People who support it are dummies lining the founders pockets
@randyRamrandoconstructive comment
sunnyv2 tries so hard to pretend he isn't right-wing but it always comes through one way or another. It takes every fiber of his being not to use the word "libtard" in every other sentence.
I always suspected a right wing vibe in him…
@@amongtheliving789 rightttt
i forget which video i was watching but it was pretty normal and then he just blurted out something about sjws and then kept going like nothing happened. i was like oh this guys alt right slipped out for a sec
@@jaqfare you talking about the one where he says “it’s the same argument that idiotic feminists use about stuff like the gender pay gap”? I’m obsessed with that clip tbh, it comes out of nowhere and it has literally nothing to do with what he was talking about.
There’s also that video about ticsandroses whose thumbnail contains their bio, which has “non-binary ~ they/them” in it. Then, when you watch the video, you shrivel in disgust as he misgenders them for 13 minutes straight. He similarly misgendered OnlyJayus in his video about them. I get that these folks are shitty, but that doesn’t make it okay to misgender them. It could’ve been an accident, and if so, I hope he’s been made aware of his mistake. But if not, it would align with the “closeted right-winger” narrative we’re constructing for him.
Sunny: Ninja is less popular because now he's woke. Also sunny: ninja is just being woke for popularity
Reactionaries do the same thing with Disney. "Go woke go broke!!!!" "They making our movies gay to pander for money!!!!"
Schrodinger's strawman. My enemies are both weak and dangerous simultaneously.
@@MiorAkifexactly
Shrodingers popularity.
tbf i think he means that Ninja 'went woke' to appeal to wider audiences and it backfired because his fans condemned that behavior as 'fake'. Sunny's reasoning behind everything just to confirm his bias is the problem here. He just pulls shit out of his ass to claim he has a proof that political correctness ruined another career.
This mf quoted Sneako to get his point across 💀
Imagine being one of those people that consider it normal to react to any external stimuli by thinking "This reminds me of that quote from Sneako".
@@pplelo9364 the only stimuli which should invoke Sneako are terrible ones
I hate very few things, but when someone says "You are a (blank), stay out of politics." I hate that. It's okay to be concerned with politics. Politics are certainly concerned with us. Leaving politics to the politicians is a problem.
Is THE problem tbh, since I'm convinced 99% of them are narcissists lol
exactly lol, we should all be at least somewhat concerned with politics
There is no such thing as apolitical media. Everything you do is political; complaining about the price of groceries expresses your political opinion on food tariffs or commercial agriculture throwing away supply to increase the price, taking a branded sponsorship is an endorsement of that company and their politics, and saying "you shouldn't say something so political" in response to anti-racism is just saying that you see racism as a default state of being.
Agreed
It’s crazy when they bring up their job too, as if jobs and markets aren’t like the biggest things currently affected by politics?
“You’re a gamer, why are you talking about politics?” Ah yes, the gaming community, a group that has famously never been political.
''I don't like politics in my games, but only if it's politics that I don't agree with.''
@@InfiniteDeckhand nobody likes politics in their video games. If a UA-cam gamer started talking about how abortion is evil, I would feel just as put off as if that person said abortion is good. Video games are meant as an escape anyways.
@@user-ni7ui1nk8p Speak for yourself, not for everyone else.
@@InfiniteDeckhandhe is. I don’t like having viewpoints shoved in my face even if I agree
@@Bruh1 You is not everybody. Get off your high horse.
I love how SunnyV2's default assumption when someone says something political he disagrees with is "this person is faking for attention" and not "this person holds options I don't".
In the ninja video, what he seems to be saying is that people are incapable of changing for the better. And if they seem to have changed, they're just a fake who is lying to themselves.
I've known people who assume that by default anytime someone lives differently to them. Specifically if they're trans or not straight.
He’s a pretty typical right winger just pretending he isn’t and doing a terrible job of it.
I'm starting to question SunnyV2's... Like. Internal thoughts. And his ability to grow as a person.
It's the only reason he would do anything positive, so he projects that onto everybody else.
I wonder how sunny watches movies. Like, movies with character development and stuff.
"And so Luke decides to lie to himself and pretend he's a good jedi for clout."
"This is the DARK SIDE of Luke Skywalker..."
And because Harry insisted on being Gryffindor, he lost the Slytherin part of his fanbase in favor of appealing to the "good" Gryffindors instead. He has been losing subscribers in the Slytherin audience ever since due to his pursuit of a fake woke identity.
@@sane8949😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
I always got weird vibes from the channel but what (very quickly) made me drop the channel completely was his video on Ryan's toy review. His conclusion on the topic was that Ryan hasn't been and isn't being exploited because he seems okay with it now that he's older.
I have never seen someone make such a one sided conclusion and completely gloss over all the real, possible negative effects filming can have on a child.
SunnyV2 pulls out conclusions out of his ass
same I never knew what it was but his channel always felt so odd
His videos on Jake and Logan Paul also left a bad taste in my mouth. I have no idea why he seemed so adamant in defending them.
His video on Sis vs Bro was so weird and just plain mean, I dropped the channel after watching it. No, a teenager wanting to separate herself from her child star image is not "arrogant" or "entitled." These actual children don't owe the internet a damn thing, and it's understandable that a young girl trying to grow into her own person reacts poorly to comments like "you've changed!" or "I liked the old Karina more!!"
I think there was also a video about how the military had to do something ( I forgot but it had something to do with racism and a black person) because people are so sensitive nowadays, the solution being people need to stop caring so much about (insert bigoted belief) because companies are walking on eggshells now, idk I don’t remember much but it was definitely distasteful
SunnyV2 is socially conservative. Again, most of his videos, regardless of the title, are about how said personality has betrayed their fans, committed hypocrisy, or "sold out to appeal to a wider audience" by becoming more socially liberal (deciding not to be casually racist anymore, deciding not to be a dick to random people anymore, deciding they're a feminist, etc, etc).
It's never a hypocrisy thing. It's a getting older; changing their mind thing, and he's mad people aren't staying in the playpen with him.
Nailed it. He thinks he is fighting a culture war and he thinks he has people fooled by not being upfront about it.
Seems to be working for now, but you can only watch so many of his videos before you start to see the very strict pattern and just how lazy all of his content was from the start.
The video is literally just "ninja fell off bc he doesnt support racism anymore and thinks he can be a real gamer anyway"☠️
"Abraham lincoln, honest abe. Or so he had you believe. Last year he said he was 15, now he claims to be 16. Which is it abe?! Better keep your stories straight."
@@DriscolDevil it reminds me of a channel called moon that’s like the society/ red pill /men are suffering brother to sunnyv2, their both popping off and it’s kind of sad one is just more mainstream covering popular creators everybody knows
tbh it's rare that you encounter a smart/cowardly conservative so committed to the bit that they're willing to say, in effect, "If you've ever bullied someone, you should bully everyone forever", just to paint someone as a hypocrite.
Accusations of hypocrisy should be, like, the side dish to accusations of actual wrongdoing. Like, if someone exposed Coffeezilla for running a Ponzi scheme, the hypocrisy would serve to show that there was conscious immorality at work.
But it's very noticeable that, when a social conservative wants to attack someone for not being a social conservative, they will really talk up the supposed hypocrisy, and the actual wrongdoing will be pathetically small if not completely fictional. And it's because they know damn well that leading with "Ninja isn't racist and I hate that about him" would be pretty indefensible.
i think it's incredibly concerning how popular sunnyv2's videos are getting because of how he constructs narratives that don't exist. unlike a lot of other youtubers who make video essays about other content creators, sunnyv2's intentions just seem like he wants to push a manufactured agenda rather than understand a person and their career
i’ve always thought the way sunny makes videos is he figures out what title will get the most clicks and then just makes up shit to fit the supposed narrative the title implies
Speaks to the power of aesthetics. SunnyV2 edits like a normal video essay, but has the content of a typical drama youtuber where they just kinda say shit that happened and draw some wacky conclusions. If he was just a dude filming himself in his room I suspect he'd have far less credibility.
He uploads like one video per week which is about as long as most video essay type youtubers spend just editing. I doubt he spends more that a couple of hours researching. He probably does the bare minimum while he's writing, and finds the examples while he's editing. That would explain why the tweets he shows don't match what he's saying.
The first video of his I watched I left like 2 minutes in because he kept misgendering the person he was talking about. I guess it's par for the course for this kind of guy.
his agenda is normalizing sociopathy, apparently
Worth mentioning that in one of the clips he plays of Ninja getting mad at a kid he cut out the part where the kid called him a homophobic slur first.
SunnyV2 has always been like this. Always felt right leaning and baiting, bordering on bullying. Speculation and armchair psychology about how everyone is a boogeyman under the guise of being a "documentary". It reminds me of Moon. Watching it has always felt like brain rot, while pretending to be anything of genuine value.
i watched one moon vid and quit halfway through, i could tell that boy had an unhinged quality about him
lol it’s just content to make money
@@danawhiteboy but he’s making money by misrepresenting people in ways that could very possibly negatively affect their careers, that’s not all right
YEAH LIKE MOON OML
@@folddealfeal2740 hes watched fight club and never looked back.
the "he doesn't know he's fake" is such a weird point, like if you don't know you're fake are you even fake?? its the deciding factor in that judgement actually
I guess maybe you could like, posit that someone is inauthentic in a way they lack the self awareness to recognize. Like someone who only does charity when it can be in a visible way that makes you look good but still thinning of yourself as someone who’s charitable just for the sake of it. It’s a really weird idea and I think I’m being overly charitable in thinking that’s what they could be going for. Accusing people of being fake or virtue signaling is really easy to claim while really hard to disprove.
Fr I wouldn't be surprised if this guy starts an actual cult. That's pretty much the endgame for "influencers" like that.
Ack this is like when I'm in the grocery store or laundrette + see an artist whose work I really respect, but they seem pretty lowkey + chill + non-celeb-seeking so it 'd feel intrusive to bug them in public by gushing over their art, but the urge to thank them keeps growing, so I spend a few agonizingly eternal minutes consciously trying to not be/act weird despite the weirdness of the proximal setting & just get my errand done, but mentally blotting out the artist's presence gets more + more cognitively overwhelming, until I just panic & run out of the store or whatever.
Anyways, wow it's cool to see Patti-Taxx here.
SunnyV2 makes an undead giant sea sponge look intelligent. I don't even think he knows what a fake even is
Oh hi Patty :D
Big Joel and Little Joel are finally merging. This was inevitable. The creation of appropriately sized Joel is coming.
Little Joel fans literally only have one joke and it still hasn't gotten old
Medium Joel shall be born out the merging.
And he shall be called... 'Joel'.
Big Joel, Little Joel, Wide Joel, Thin Joel. Long ago the four Joels lived together in harmony, but all that changed when the Video Essays attacked
@@vimproved 😂❤️
I hate that the internet has this idea that if you're a toxic person, then that's the "real you" and if you try to do something positive, it's seen as being fake. It discourages real improvement. Good people sometimes do bad things, that's not hypocrisy, that's just part of life.
It's incredibly narcissistic. The internet has become no less of a scary place just because it has hit the mainstream.
Something I've picked up on is that the modern internet is *extremely* unforgiving. People are unwilling to accept that someone can be a good person who made a mistake. It's a very scary mentality, and it's becoming more prevalent and important than the real world.
@mewxtwo not true. So many "canceled" people aren't canceled at all. If anything, it's just free publicity
@@msjkramey I'm not talking about people being able to come back from being canceled. It's not about that side of it, it's about the witch hunt that goes down. The people see a reason to hate someone and they will do it. Everyone seems to be quick to throw stones for any reason and forgiveness isn't an option for them in that moment. They attack way too easily and often, without regard for any nuance or bigger picture.
@@mewxtwo do you have an example?
The way he brings up a sneako quote as if he's like an expert in the field is insane.
The idea that negativity and bad behaviour is inherently more honest than positivity and goodness is a genuine tripping point for a lot of people, an immature way to see the world. Suggesting that Ninja's intention to become a marginally better person is a farce and a rebellion against the politically correct, hence archetypally "honest" and "natural" state that SunnyV2 thinks he should be trapped in is so weird
As a man who used to be a South Park watching boy, I think some shows like South Park and Rick and Morty teach (usually) boys that apathy and cruelty are qualities tied to secular enlightenment/rationalism.
That’s obviously bullshit, as any adult would know. But most of the people following or commenting on twitch streamers are under 25, and haven’t realized that they’re not smart, they’re actually just assholes.
Can’t judge too hard. I didn’t stop being an asshole until I was 25, either.
love your comment badger six eight eight two, sunny spends a whole lot of time seemingly projecting. ninja showed change while sunny spent his time regurgitating the same made up talking points and mindlessly applying them to every person he "investigates".
There's being a _nice guy_ then there's being a good guy, I'm not saying that ninja is a nice guy here not to get confused what I'm saying.
Just because someone is a good guy doesn't mean they're a _nice guy,_ it seems that SunnyV2 doesn't understand that difference neither.
@@qwertyuiopaaaaaaa7 South park, rick and morty and other adult comedy cartoons are a helpful addition to the conversation, I think. Thanks for mentioning. They definitely carry that idea of cruelty = truth, and brutal honestly = the only true honesty.
The younger audience is definitely susceptible to the reactionary communities in general.
@@mashaa.7509 Thanks! Yeah, a lot of projection going on here
Love that Sunny is hailed by others as some kind of non-biased and purely objective being when the dude's tone is " clearly pissed off " as he sprinkles in weird unnecessary remarks throughout his videos, you can hear the pure anguished strain on his voice over certain people. It's a real shame he deleted his video about Shane Dawson being a victim of le cancel culture, I think this shows us his dark side descent into madness fake persona tbh
HE MADE A FUCKING SHANE DAWSON IS A VICTIM VIDEO OMMMMG!!! HOW DOES SOMEONE EVEN DO THAT????
Sunny rlly out here saying racism and pedophile is funny.
Damn I didn't know he made a video about Shane Dawson. A few UA-camrs I watch react to his videos and he gets treated like some genius mini documentarian. I only really watched his videos for background noise. I prefer TRO and Joon the King.
most of the time he is impartial but this ninja video was kinda personal for him I think haha.
he must of loved old ninja.
Charlie always reacts to this as if it was the holy bible
@@JVictorOH well charlie's fallen øff quite a lot
Saying someone is doing drugs because they're skinny and look schlubby reveals how unbiased and impartial SunnyV2 really is.
The thing is, Sunny's video is made for people who think bullying is cool, but who are too cowardly to just say that outright. So the only way they can criticize someone for saying "bullying is bad" is by gesturing at imagined hypocrisy, or by narrativizing it, like "he's just doing it to look good".
Ninja: "Do not pick on anyone. There is nothing funny about that."
SunnyV2: "And this is the first element of Ninjas dark side."
Lmao
Someone: "Bully everyone you ever meet, especially young children."
SunnyV2: "wow that dude has such a bright outlook on life! 🥰✌️"
He titled it that way for views. Extreme negativity gets more clicks. Thats why titles say: The end of marvel!! The WORST SHOW/MOVIE EVER!! The Downfall of , Darkside of and Blank EXPOSED(SLO4N)😂
i love taking things out of context 🤓
@@Riftio617
They didn't even make a statement, they just said "lmao." Whats the out of context here?? Lmao
@@Riftio617 You mean like how sunny doesn't show full context? Weird.
I... can't remember the last time I've seen someone unironically do the "negative color footage, so the person looks SCAWY" thing. With the music and everything. Holy shit
Pretty sure the Simpsons was mocking that in the 90s.
It's kids sensory videos for reactionaries.
In fairness a shit load of other video essays have this "Jangling keys in face" kinda editing. Not really a sunny issue, especially if there was any meat on the bone here.
And he did it twice in the same video, one time with the stupid anonymous mask for some reason
here's another corny commentary video cliche: intro montages in "The Fall of X" videos set to In the Hall of the Mountain King.
If only Little Joel knew what was going to happen a couple months later...
Medium Joel knew
@@burgermind802 Medium Joel died for our sins
what happened?
@@dp7552SunnyV made a very transphobic video about one of Mr.Beasts friend claiming she'd be the downfall of his channel because she was/is transitioning.
@@eminempreg Isn't Kris pronouns she/her? Or am I taking it in the wrong context.
What made me unfollow him was the way he was talking about body positivity: Portraying Nickocado Avocado as a genius because he makes fat jokes while being overweight and comparing it to "annoying" body positivity activists who fight for acceptance. It shows what he thinks of any progressive movement: SJW = annoying, fake / anti-SJW = authentic, honest.
In the end all he was saying was that he prefers Nickocado's content over the content of people who speak out against fat-phobia. In his worldview people who fight discrimination deserve to be made fun of because they're "annoying" but Nickocado makes fat jokes seem harmless, that's why he likes him. My biggest issue with this is that SunnyV2 makes a moral point out of this preference and completely discredits the body positivity movement along the way.
It's a pattern you can see in many of his videos about other topics like sexism or racism.
Sunny is definitely just some dude who got really into anti Sjw content as a teenager and hasn’t changed at all since
Nikocado is a genius and I love him but fuck sunnyv2
@@Estradiol_Gamingwhat’s the meaning of sjw?
@@Damian-km6sksocial justice warriors
"Fat people who want acceptance = bad and not what I want, fat people who make fun of themselves and other fat people = good and what I like to do too", not very complicated
The irony of this SunnyV2 guy constantly complaining about cancel culture yet he made this whole click bait video over stuff Ninja has already apologized for and changed his behavior over.
Cancel Culture is 4 the birds. It's a word that means less and less by the day and ppl like Sunny are why. Can't wait for normies to finally recognize it as a dumb right wing smear like "woke" is now.
"Oh God, cancel culture makes UA-cam such a toxic environment!''
''Btw, here is a video where I expose a random UA-camr over random stuff they did!''
The people that whine about "cancel culture" are generally the people that love participating in it. So par for the course really.
@@mechanomics2649 it's so funny that people have coined the term "cancel culture" and treat it like a boogeyman. For the most part, what they call cancel culture, the rest of the normal world calls "facing consequences for your actions"
Yeah, Sunny is a pathetic hypocrite. He says he hates cancel culture, but every single video he makes is personally and vitriolically attacking people on the basis of his perception of the quality of their content. (Sometimes, of course, these attacks are justified.)
"Streamers shouldn't hide who they are to be popular but also streamers should hide their politics so they don't alienate people"
literally 1984
its funny because hes the type of guy to justify someone being racist years ago with “people can change:/“
unless its someone he doesnt like. then theyre a hypocritical attention-seeker
my fav sunnyv2 moment was when in his sis vs bro video he painted the girl (karina) as a bad person going down a bad route because she disliked the videos of her past and publically declared that. oh and that she was doing regularly teenage things. he DIDNT say these about the boy (ronald) despite him being openly misogynistic & showcasing harmful views. despite that he still painted karina in a bad manner as if their entire youtube career wasn’t essentially their parents exploiting them
as if karina & ronald yt career *
It’s almost like he’s a bigot
someone should make a video called "the dark side of sunnyv2" where he complains about sjws and cancel culture thinking people cant change followed by a clip of him using ninja's past bullying to say he's a hypocrite for speaking out against bullying
reactionaries simultaneously say "you think this person is good? ha! well, look at this thing they did 5 years ago" while also saying "cancel culture has gone wild, people are using tweets from 5 years ago (that i don't even denounce) against me"
absolutely incoherent ideology
you forgot to specify the most important part, it has to be written and edited exactly like a sunnyv2 video
@@khebba6683 ok thanks for putting this on record so that it's not omitted from the final product.
Someone should definitely make that, same thumbnail style and everything.
Unfortunately though we all have to walk on eggshells for triggered anti-sjw snowflakes. So that’s one thing to at least look out for when making that video.
Whenever I see petty internet drama hit pieces that bring nothing of substance to light, I always think of that attack ad in Clone High: "Last year, Abe said he was 15 years old. Now he claims to be 16. Which is it, Abe? Better keep your story straight."
LMAO
"He'd also like you to believe he's not a baby eater but he's never gone on record saying he isn't! Maybe he's too busy eating babies" 😂😂😂
@@juuuu0 I'd love to think that real life political attack ads don't get nearly as unhinged, but I am not going on record saying they don't.
@@stapler942 Id say they stop just shy of it. Ill never forget this one political slander flyer I got in the mail that used the most blatant manipulation to try and convince you their candidate was better. The "good" candidate had a high quality press photo next to a list of puffed-up positives, and no joke the "bad" one had what looked like a fifth page of Google image search JPEG of the dude with a broken arm lmao. They weren't even trying.
"Do YOU want a low-resolution candidate who doesn't even have functioning limbs, my dear voter???"
@@stapler942 I mean, there is an Idaho campaign ad where the woke left throw a baby into a fire so, uh, not that far off?
The thing with sunny is that his videos seem like and presents itself as a video essay or deep dive but then you think about it and it’s really more like a rant that feels like it should have some csgo knife flipping in the background.
HAHA THE KNIFE FLIPPING, SO TRUE
LMAO
I can just imagine those like csgo parkour maps with sunny making petty insults at random people like the old days
Idk why, but he’s always reminded me of Creepshow Art. The invention of drama and the way he presents evidence has always linked them for me.
not creepshow art 💀 i forgot she even exists, that creepy little bugger
deyassified creepshow
I don’t ship irl people, but this is my new OTP 🥰🥰🥰
this one!! definitely
@@icejuice4212 lmao I can't bro
I miss when Joel wasn't so political. When he could talk about Willy Wonka without mentioning the oompa loompas
I love when someone expresses bare minimum human decency and they get criticized for being fake lmao. Ppl who think that way are either really young or terminally online 😆
If he expressed the opposite I bet he would have been hailed for being brave for going against political correctness.
Those people who think that are likely racist.
childishly cynical, literal anime villain nonsense
Remember when it was "just edgy jokes?" Now it's suspicion and takedown videos if you so much as suggest that you shouldn't act like a bigot. It's pretty obvious who his videos are meant to appeal to. He's just smart enough to not put it upfront like a quartering or sargan.
@@DriscolDevil Yeah once I got to the George Floyd tweet I was like "Ohh. You're just racist" lol
the FORESHADOWING OF THIS!! given the type of video Sunny just uploaded, this was only the beginning of his unhinged videos
Sunnyv2 probably misses the 'golden days' of Twitch streamers dropping casual N-bombs and telling people to kill themselves.
I'm glad someone is FINALLY pushing back on SunnyV2's content, dude has always rubbed me the wrong way and I constantly see streamers talking up his content.
Ludwig hates sunnyv2 and constantly gets push back from other streamers and fans on that opinion
@@cheryldragunoff4129 bless ludwig
I know Conure (a smaller streamer) reacted to a SunnyV2 video on steam so yeah, you’re correct. Hope this becomes a trend
@@emmaeggs i was a fan of critikal at first but his content is getting old now
@@emmaeggs I really like moist critical but istfg I don't want him using Sunny V2 as a source for information.
the only sunnyv2 video i’ve ever seen was one he made about notch (the creator of minecraft), who got bullied off twitter after he constantly posted extremely bigoted and especially transphobic hate speech, and the conclusion sunny came to was that notch was a victim of sjw cancel culture and everyone was sooooo mean to him and how sad it was. he went on and on about how people were mean to him on the internet but curiously never showed anything notch himself tweeted
Notch is an actual nazi, like the white nationalist anti-semite kind... Like that isn't the case of some misguided attack... Seems to be a bit of a pattern to SunnyV2's behaviour.
It's so transparent. If you talk about your leftist politics you are a phony, that is faking it and also alienating half of your fanbase, but if you are an outright transphobe like Notch, you are just being honest, and the world is out to get you for having ""innocent"" political views.
The comments on that video are great. "I guess he learned money isn't everything"....like, I guess, but also, being a bigot also tends to push decent people in your life away from you.
For a long time I legitimately felt insane because it was immediately obvious to me that he was a reactionary dipshit yet so many normie youtubers I used to like continue to speak highly of his content. It forced me to think about whether those people are also reactionaries or if they just don't have the media literacy to sniff that stuff out.
He also tweeted pro Qanon shit as well
AGED LIKE FINE WINE
Yeah… I’m surprised some of his videos haven’t been called out before.
sunny always rubbed me the wrong way since the "fake disorder cringe" video where he consistently misgender one of the people he's calling out. he even put their pronouns in the thumbnail yet couldn't be bothered using em, which indicates to me that he only did that because it would get transphobes and transmeds to click on the video that makes fun of a nonbinary person
[update 15/4 2023]
WELL WELL WELL. WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT. i've always wanted to say this, but *I TOLD YOU SO*
i was always worried to call his misgendering out because I didn’t wanna get called some “SJW” or something. But that was first thing that really turned me away from sunny.
oh wow. i'm not surprised nor dissapointed, just disgusted, really. i mean, not like i expected this clearly "anti-woke" guy to respect someone who isn't on his way of thinking.
I made a comment about that when the video dropped and it got deleted, lol
i've wondered for some time now why i didn't like this guy and this reminded me lmao thank you
Sunny always reminded me of those anti woke channels that whine about lgbtq people and women getting more representation in media (like the quartering) and I never really knew why. I haven't seen the video you mentioned but its devastating to hear
"mommy mommy, my favourite fortnite streamer isn't being as racist as i want him to be"
"don't worry darling, i'm sure he's just faking it and deep down he's as racist as you"
i love your dalek pfp
LMFAOOOO
This made me snort 💀😭
The line 'as Sneako said best' is too fucking good lmao
Sneako 💀💀
OH NOOO 💀
Great way to tell on himself lmao
Yeah when i heard that, I was like bruh you lost the plot
Self report
is incredible how 90% of his videos is seeking youtube comments to back up his opponions.
"because, as sneako said best..." ok i already know everything i needed to know about sunnyv2
I feel like I try to be a pretty chill dude, and most people in my life would say I'm a decent guy, maybe even a good guy, but if you collected enough clips of the times in my life I lost my shit or wasn't as kind to someone as I should have been, and backed it with some spooky music, you could easily make me out to be some kind of monster.
And obviously, you opening the door for other person is "virtue signaling" because I have a clip of you kicking a door in a fit of rage once.
Everything bad you did is the true you.
Every attempt at kindness makes you a "phony". And you changing your mind because you got more informed is just you pretending to be good wether you realize it or not.
At least according to SunnyV2
People seem to have developed this weird brain worm from listening to conservatives who are called out on strong hypocrisy that react by saying no, their political opponent is the ACTUAL hypocrite even though its always almost way less harmful or they have apologized for the action. This whole owning people because they said one thing but did another thing culture is so pathetic...literally everyone has done it as some points but context and nuance are too damn hard for people since they take time and attention.
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 And any/all conservatives.
Absolutely - anyone can be made to look like a monster if you have enough clips of them. People aren’t always cool and that’s just a part of learning to be human. If all of my mistakes/weird behaviours as a teen were catalogued, I’d probably look like some degenerate lol
Yeah like there could be someone who was genuinely a nice person but like maybe they got really stressed/angry and said same bad shit. Like some people say when you’re angry you’ve “removed your filter” or “are showing your true colours” but like when you’re angry or stressed can’t really make cognitive thinking stuff and people are just banking off of one incident that happens to everyone and is making the person out to be a monster and like especially if it happens more than once
I noticed there’s was something kind of up with SunnyV2 when he was making a video about why Shane Dawson’a return failed. When brining up how he pretended to pleasure himself to a picture of a young Willow Smith, he prefaced bringing them up by saying the Smith family was Hollywood’s biggest joke, which seemed sort of out of pocket and random when talking about how one of the family’s members were grossly sexualized.
Wow yes, I remember that and thinking HM. No normal person has that opinion of the Smith family (normal ppl have no opinion of the Smith family)
it was his unironic use of the word woke for me
Cry
It stands out heavily once you get used to it, jfc, even the comics explained guy has a lil incel streak that some how manages to pop its head up when its not called for lol
@@silloweet like you're doing all over the place?
SunnyV2 videos feel like teenage me bullshitting an essay's arguments and sources for a high school assignment due in 1 hour
SunnyV2 scares me not because of his content, but because of his audience. He is taking advantage of a trend that has always existed. The fact of the matter is, a lot of people completely lack the ability to question their surroundings, think critically, or analyze events and states around them. These people are incredibly vulnerable to the likes of Sunny, who can just say whatever he wants without actually supporting it.
Notice how he showed two different clips of Ninja speaking, one of him denouncing bad play and the other of him denouncing bullying. These are not in contradiction whatsoever, and yet just because SunnyV2 says that the first clip is genuine and the second isn't, he is able to completely brainwash an entire audience into believing it, because they don't have the mental faculties to question what about these clips actually supports what Sunny is saying.
I also hold a lot of anger towards Penguinz0 and other "apolitical" UA-camrs who have given him such a huge audience. SunnyV2 is blatantly right wing but it's hard for privileged white men like Penguinz0 to see it, because they desperately want to stay middle of the road between outright racism and anti racism. There is no "middle of the road" that ends up being non harmful to oppressed groups though, and everything in between the two fields is only ever helpful to those doing the oppressing.
17 minutes of little joel, it’s a christmas miracle
More of a Festivus miracle, if you ask me
Holiday special
perhaps a hanukkah happening?
I think he’s trying to copy big Joel
this little joel seems quite large to me idk
Best part is when - during a segment where Sunny says Ninja is fake because he doesn't believe in the politics he was supporting - he plays a clip of Sneako literally saying it's better to be fake and hide your political opinions so people will like you. It's clear Sunny does not give one single shit about whether Ninja is fake. He's just mad that Ninja has political opinions he doesn't like.
I hope Charlie sees when he plays the Sneako clip, considering what's been going on between him and Sneako lately. Lol
Really highlighting the issue that you can pretty much release any propaganda on YT served up in a deep dive documentary style format, and actually manipulate people.
Bonus points if you have an Australian or British accent
have come close to falling into that trap myself a couple times, oof
That moment when your anti-political correctness turns into pro-racism
Those are the same thing lmao
Sunny's videos really feel like when a teacher would give you a prompt for an essay you didn't agree with and had to stretch the truth so much
He really tries to stretch out drama to get that sweet sweet monetization with very contrasted images of the culprit in question being disheveled or worn down with a big title name saying "EXPOSED" to get a view to click on it. He tries to hide how he wants to expose the persons already old drama that has been already discussed and closed with an essay format on how he wants to not cancel the person while also antagonizing the person. He's overall very scummy
Me when my teacher put me on the side AGAINST wind turbines. I was very confused as to what I was supposed to do, I was like 12.
exactly!!!!
little joel is beating the shit out of sunnyv2 in this video. i wonder if sunny will be incited to make a "dark side of little joel" video in response
I would love to see him try that.
It would be so bad.
Joel's response would probably be great.
Sunny's popularity is really concerning to me, people like Critikal have given him a platform without realizing how reactionary he is, and I'm really worried that very apolitical/vaguely left leaning youtubers could be suckered into a lot of reactionary talking points and shift youtuber fanbases in a really bad direction. I just don't want people like sunny to cause a spike in right wing bullshit online. As a trans person, I am really worried about a second Gamergate
spittin fax out here
i have NO idea who this youtuber is but it's embarrassing to think that some people are taking him as like... an intelligent and unbiased opinion source? this video alone has a ton of red flags. he straight up played a sneako clip... I'm not a critikal fan but platforming this guy? ew.,
What acc was gamergate
@@marcmothersole8265 I do not know what "acc" is short for but gamergate was when a bunch of white game dudes and grifters like Sargon of Akkad turned a legit demand for publishers to stop witholding advance press review copies to journalists that don't give them good scores into slandering a female game dev of "sleeping with journalists for good reviews" and dogpiling one of the OneShot devs to suicide.
@@marcmothersole8265 Gamergate was a huge reactionary pushback against people like journalists who criticized aspects of gaming like Anita Sarkeesian. Many people interpreted these criticisms as an attack on gaming in general and it became a huge thing back in the mid 2010s.
Joel is looking more and more like a '60s communist philosopher.
SunnyV2 honestly has the dumbest takes I've ever seen. In so many of his videos he frames changing and growing into a more mature and adult person as a moral failure, like you said. His bro vs sis vid convinced me that he really does not get that people do not want to be static the rest of their lives and changes to their personality are out of character. He said that the sister was spoiled and entitled but lmao she's like 14-16 and spent a good hunk of her childhood entertaining people? And then to get probably dozens of people a day asking her why isn't she doing stuff like she did she a kid is probably irritating and grating for someone who just wants to move the hell on with their life. It boggles my mind that people agreed with him that she's entitled and spoiled when she's just sick of people asking her to entertain them like she did when she was little and expecting her to still act like the little girl from years ago. He's a weird little slightly alt righty channel and his videos are pretty bad
agree with 100% of this
sunnyv2 being this popular too is.. sososoos concerning
@@Khamthegoblin Makes me think we just have a new generation of young men from 12-18 who are in this alt-right pipeline. I got out of it a few years ago after the immature and petty squabbles over the Star Wars movie from 2017 and that subculture still looks so lost and bitter today. SunnyV2 may be the archetype of a dumb kid whose mouth runs faster than reason.
Personal growth is inconsistent with preordained hierarchy. In that regard, he could be considered more internally consistent than your average rightoid.
What about it seems dumb? SunnyV2 has a political agenda to push and he's pushing it. Don't confuse evil with dumb.
i agree with joel about him but he's not alt right
Joel actually looks little in the video. This is genius cinematography.
This is my first video and I was wondering whether that was on purpose or not
V2 doesn't seem to think people can mature and genuinely change, Ninja grew up
The deep emptiness at the core of people who hate "virtue signaling" is so upsetting. "This person is being not racist and not shitty, therefor he must be lying"
Everyone is secretly a racist and an asshole, right?
It's not just me, right?
succinct comment. ive been writing replies saying the same thing but with more words
It reminds me of the cynical people on reddit who end up on r/nothingeverhappens because they are so poisoned by self doubt they assume everyone else is as disingenuous as them and therefore always lying. Its like no...sometimes people hold beliefs *because they actually believe them*
@@daltonbedore8396 You didn't see the drafts ;)
and thing is "virtue signalling" does exist, but its almost never the case when someone is accused of it. brands on twitter making empty progressive statements to market themselves while committing countless human rights violations on a huge scale is virtue signaling, they are being intentionally deceptive by using progressive language to promote their own brand and try to cover up whatever evil things theyve done. some guy on the internet expressing leftist beliefs isnt virtue signaling.
The true mark of a man is not how he treats his friends, but how he treats the lowliest fortnite player.
I think Plato said that
@@alwaystired1 studied historical philosophy, and ur right
@@alwaystired1 what was Plato's kdr?
@@Montasir125 at least 1
Poor guy doesn’t realise that people change with time. That’s actually kinda tragic
I love how SunnyV2 Thinks that ninja's crazy overreactions and screaming fits are entirely genuine.
honestly that guys brand of “commentary” is part of a branch of youtube i think in general is very bad faith, more focused on “drama” and petty feuds. they have like weird centrist brainworms vibes and are always eating their own tails
Also they have this strange hatred of "tea channels" despite literally just being tea channels for annoying teenage boys.
"weird centrist brainworms" is the best description I've ever heard of SunnyV2 and his brand of commentary
He's not a centrist, he's just a reactionary lol
It's the gamer side of creator commentary channels, and they more often than not suck
@@notrod5341 What's a tea channel?
Lil joel looks sick today. Not in an unhealthy way like Ninja, no, but in a "that sweater looks sick!" kinda way
I'd say he looks really really small but then I realized it was the distance of the camera haha 😳 (embarrassed)
Is the sweater going to be ok
😎 sick af
"The Dark Side of Little Joel."
He secretly mistreat his sweaters
I think his sweater is on some sort of substance, and that substance is holiday cheer
I have never liked ninja and always found him to be cringy but oddly enough SunnyV2’s video made me like him more simply because he was unable to bring forth any evidence of him being actually problematic lol
Saaaammmeee
People who are incapable of basic empathy will always assume that other people only do/say nice things "to look good," "for attention," "virtue signaling," etc. I think its very telling that Sunnyv2, and the weird guys that he seems to be speaking for, is incapable of rationalizing why a creator would want to improve as a human being and just be a better person. Surely there must be something nefarious going on when a guy starts trying to be nicer, right? He can't possibly be doing nice things because he genuinely wants to, thats insane!
SunnyV2 is one of those people who have skipped past the "mask off" phase by never masking his very nasty preferences to begin with. He gets VERY MAD that Ninja sometimes says decent things to his large, young audience and also says he loves a different streamer who frequently bullies his opponents and throws tantrums. Gee, I sure care about the opinions of this weirdly hateful dude!
I mean I like watching compilations of streamers raging at games and smashing their keyboards, but I don’t think every streamer should do it just because it’s entertaining
And unironically quoting Sneako. Not only is that a huge red flag, it’s also hypocritical (y’know, the very thing Sunny is accusing Ninja of being) because Sneako has also driven off a non-insignificant portion of his old audience with his trip down the redpill rabbit hole and attempts to be Andrew Tate Jr.
@@sailorsloth8183 You see, faking a personality for audience appeal is good when it's for people who are based and redpilled like me
I forgot SunnyV2 existed because I clicked the "Don't recommend channel" on his channel a couple years ago. He struck me as basically just Australian Keemstar-- just a mean-spirited drama fiend. The sad thing is that he's actually a lot more tactful than he used to be-- if you watch his earliest videos (if he hasn't privated them) he's a lot more mask-off with how much he enjoys smearing other public figures. IDK what his problem is.
EXACTLY i found him before on a random reaction channel and after watching a few of his videos he started to give off k33mst4r vibes and i started avoiding his channel. good thing i sensed it from afar because god he's awful
bruh, same here. When i saw this video title, i thought, “huh, why does SunnyV2 sound so familiar…”
I genuinely believe that Keemstar is a psychopath.
Terminally online. That's what his problem is.
I didn’t know the “don’t recommend channel feature” works I’ve doing that multiple times to different channels and it still shoves that bullshit in my face
SunnyV2 is the CinemaSins of commentary channels
He’s not the cinema sins of commentary, he’s the cinema sins of video essay channels
Considering Sunny is the guy who tried to make GypsyCrusader into some sort of sad villain that deserves sympathy, this is not supririsng
HE WHAT
He also tried to pull that shit with Shane Dawson but I think the video didn't go over well so he took it down lol. Maybe he'll try to redeem Onision next who knows 🙃
@@nou-pt5fy Yeah bro, he made a video of GypsyCrusader (a literal Neo Nazi) and tried to make him out like he was a victim
@@one_smol_duck Sunny moment
This little Joel is surprisingly...big
Medium Joel
Yeah, very suspicious
I am little Joel guy. And this is my Joel.
😏
honestly the level of projection sunny is doing is embarassing. If ninja had become a trump supporter no one would call him out for being fake bc he wasnt racist in the past, theyre just salty to see someone so big from that side of the gaming community not be a bigot and openly denouncing it
"If he changed, maybe I should too" is a scary thought
it’s like when jerma was vocal about transphobic chat comments, and bigoted fans went into crybaby mode. saw someone say “he has way more comedic potential if he stops catering to [insert transphobic slur here]”
@@bijou4104 wow that's terrible. Fortunately jermas main demographic is definitely not gonna agree with that
Personally I'm transphobic, that doesn't mean you should be rude to others
@@10thletter40 WHAT??
why is sunny so overdramatic. he edits his videos about twitter drama like those animal cruelty PSAs
We need someone to make an unhinged critique of Sunnyv2 - it would only be fair at this point.
The most confusing part in the whole video happens when SunnyV2 claims Ninja is a fake and a phony and he doesn't even know it. Like, the idea behind the whole video is that Ninja is knowingly being deceptive, knowingly trying to portray himself as someone who he isn't. But if he doesn't even know about it, how is that deceptive? Is he claiming that he knows what's best for him, the true essence of his soul and Ninja's just lying to himself? It kinda reminds me of Jordan Peterson claiming that that magazine having a fat lady on its front page was tricking people into liking fat women and somehow that's a deceptive process. It feels like JP and SunnyV2 are making the same mistake of watching people doing something and when faced with the fact that they are willingly acting in a way they don't like, they just kinda assume that they are somehow part of a deceptive process, basically lying to themselves. I think this reveals a very essentialistic view of the people on JP side and of Ninja on SunnV2's: they see the subject they're analysing as essentially something they can't change about themselves and when the facts collide with that vision, they can't accept it.
I'm marking this since I feel like I'd need to let this stew in my mind with more than one sitting.
@@cuckoophendula8211 replying so you have a little notification as a reminder
@@BlueBeetle1939 Much obliged
AMAZING point. there's a whole thesis in there somewhere. it's making me realize how common it is, no matter who a person is, to assume other people are faking or lying when it doesn't align with what they believe... damn. how entitled is that. it reminds me of in middle school when you start to like something new and the other kids assume you're just doing it to be cool or whatever
@@hell0mega To expand on this whole faking/lying about opinions a bit, IMO (not that my opinion really matters on this, I'm just some bro on the internet) reactionaries don't really like thinking that shedding conservative/bigoted beliefs is genuine positive growth.
There's definitely at least *some* moral imperative to not believe anyone adopting progressive beliefs and only regard them as clout chasers, not because of what it says about the person who changed, but because of what it says about the reactionaries who *haven't* yet changed. When they see someone genuinely change and get positive attention and praise for it, they have to think it's fake cynical bullshit, because if they don't, the next logical thought could be "Wait, If so many people like it and think that stopping being a conservative dickhead is good and makes you become a decent human, shouldn't I change too?"
The more you watch SunnyV2, the more you realize he's just a clickbait channel.
Almost all of the tweets and comments he features in his videos have likes and retweets in the single digits. He's cherrypicking things to serve the narrative he wants to portray.
His videos on streamers and youtubers cheating in games or going to real life jail are obnoxious. He scrapes the bottom of the barrel to pick on people with 3k subs.
You were the last person I expected to be In here
SunnyV2 and channels like his are basically the "new media" equivalent of tabloid magazines.
Like when more people watch your videos and realize you are firmly on the side of American imperialism.
That was rough...
@@kostajovanovic3711 evidence?
Hey look everyone a Christopher Columbus apologist!!! Yay!
This aged well
SunnyV2 is like a crazy tabloid magazine, but in UA-cam form.
Why am I riveted by little Joel reacting to some guy I never heard of making up head canon/fanfic about another guy I never heard of
It's the passion and the beard that's doing it for me
How did you manage not to hear of them?
@@Bleilock1 i also never heard of sunny before big joel mentioned him in a past video and i honestly don’t know
@@Bleilock1 now that i think of it. He's only popup randomly in my recommended. I wouldn't have know of him otherwise
Lucky. I can't get the bastard to stop showing up in my feed and have no idea what youtube thinks I watched to assume I would like him.
"Sometimes a hypocrite is nothing more than a man in the process of changing" - Dalinar Kholin.
If youve changed to a point where you hate your past self, then you are a hypocrite. Because you are guilty of what you criticize.
Also I love how leftists talk like they enjoy forgiveness. That's very funny.
Foreshadowing
This needs a follow up after the Chris video. Sunny's mask slipped off.
he really tried comparing an actual person becoming trans to hollywood movies forcing diversity lmao (talking about sunny)
@@Jonathan-us1quI like the amount of sane people in the comments.
@@Jonathan-us1qu I like how he showed a random UA-cam comment to explain his point, that just rants about how those darn gay people in media are just written poorly and made to push an agenda. I’d love to know what this agenda is, that’s being pushed by gay people existing, lol.
@@ilikeships9333it is a big BIIIIIG contrast to the comment section in that specific chris tyson sunnyv2 video. It's like all the transphobes crawled out of their basements
@chadsomemalowsome that sounds like straight up a horror movie jesus
the inescapable thing for me here, is that Sunny makes a really big deal about how Ninja virtue signals for his audience, so he stays popular or whatever. but also, how Ninja's audience hates his virtue signalling. Both of these things can't be true at the same time. It leaves me with the idea the Ninja might actually be a dude with some level of integrity. Which is funny, because that is exactly the opposite of what SunnyV2 wants
It's really annoying that SunnyV2 seems to constantly virtue signal about how anti-woke he is.
I once watched a video from SunnyV2 channel and was pretty confused. It felt like there was 1-2 minutes of information thinly spread over 15 minutes with constant repetitions. And the video had like 1 million views. And I just thought that maybe I didn't get something. Maybe that video had some incredible value that I just couldn't understand. Since then I keep getting a feeling that I might've understood all the value in that video after all...
honestly I had a really similar experience where the first SunnyV2 video I ever watched was the one about fake videos about building these crazy mud houses by hand, which seems to be one of the few if not good but watchable videos from him. it's the kind of catharsis of watching a fake youtube channel get eXpOsEd which is fun to watch and easy to digest. it made me think this must be a Good UA-cam Channel so I wanted to see more
but then it just... well it was exactly what you described. I was getting a whole lot of repetitive info and judgemental moral takes and not a lot of that genuine information I thought I'd see more of. I was so confused at how what I thought was another good video essay channel actually just had one random video hook me in and otherwise had a whole lot of nothing that I wanted to see
@@hauntedsunsets Oh my god, I watched a video about how all those "primitive build" videos were fake a while back, too! Did I watch a SunnyV2 video at some point without realizing it? I genuinely don't remember what video it was.
I had a similar experience. Watched a couple videos all the way through and I was just kinda like... I gained nothing from this
the only videos I've seen of him were like 90% reading through joke comments next to explaining something in a serious tone, i couldn't believe people would willingly watch this stuff
No one is actually watching these rise and fall of youtuber "documentaries" and paying attention. They put them on as background noise and do other things. The length, well spoken narrator, and production value suggests high quality content but it's not. UA-cam junk food mindlessly consumed
This aged really well
I'm so glad this popped up in my recommendations. Sunny's videos have always felt like he's crafting a narrative about the subject that either isn't there or with a bias