James Horner's Best-Ever Score? - You Gotta Hear This! - Ep. 4 feat. Troy Baker
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2021
- Episode 4 of You Gotta Hear This, Troy and I discuss what is maybe James Horner's best score ever? Or simply his last (among many) masterpiece? Or both!
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24:01
Troy: "It's an organ bro."
Austin: "No it's a synth."
Me: "It sounds like foot stomping and clapping."
it is! he recorded salsa/flamenco dancers for that one
Said it before, will say it again. I can't wait for you to get to the Japanese score masters like Uematsu, Kanno, Hisaishi, Kondo...
Oh the Japanese Masters are soo wonderful!
Yes please!!
Hisaishi the master✊✊
Let's not forget Toru Takemitsu, who scored Ran.
what about masamichi amano
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Regarding Horner's accent: He was born in LA, but I'm pretty sure he spent his entire childhood in England. He returned to the States in his late teens / early twenties.
I just searched for music from James Horner and stumpled across your video. And yes, he was one of the greatest.
- In a land before time
- Balto
- The Secret of NIHM
- Once upon a forest
I grew up with this movies. I was beyond sad when I heard about his passing.
What?! The Secret of NIMH is Goldsmith!
I should know, because it was my second record of a movie soundtrack I had as a child after E.T. ;)
The "Moving Day" cue is still my favourite piece of music that I know of him, right after "The Tractor" from the same album.
James Horner has always been my favorite film composer. I was devastated when I learned of his passing.
The Rocketeer is easily my favorite of Horner's scores - it's adventurous and bombastic; it's understated and elegant; it's romantic... it's just great. I literally arranged parts of it for piano, recorded it, and made it my ringtone.
The Goldsmith Hour would be entirely justified. He remains the finest film composer of all time and absolutely my personal favorite.
I agree, the Master of his field.
Underrated soundtrack that most folks don't know these days: Cutthroat Island by John Debney.
That opening track from The Mask of Zorro is one of the best opening pieces of music ever. Declarative, stylish, immediately adventurous. There are very, very, very few score openings that grab me literally the moment they start, and that's one of them.
You had me at James Horner, Austin.
Love. These.
Mask of Zorro had a score that elevated it and added SO MUCH heart. Still one of the best ‘classic’ love stories I’ve seen in a movie and the music adds massively to that aspect.
Horner also followed Goldsmith on the Don Bluth films, after Jerry did Secret of NIMH. Lois Carruth told me that someone asked Jerry once if he’d heard a recent Horner score, to which Jerry replied, “no, what have I written now?”
Lol, savage
I love that a celebration of this man's genius and body of work can be enriched (as opposed to distracted) by real talk and funny stories about his very human flaws. It somehow brings an added layer of depth to his legacy.
I missed the Hollywood in Vienna 2013 concert where they honored Horner. It was a great night, he was there in person, and I had this great feeling afterwards that I missed something that will never happen again... and it didn't.
this has definitely become one of my favorite podcast
"I can't sleep at night if you've not heard this"
I love how much I relate to Austin
One of my favorite modern composers sitting down with one of my favorite voice actors for a chat about the first film composer I was a fan of as a kid (I started with loving and recording video game music via a portable tape deck + downloading midis, but Braveheart is what got me into buying soundtrack CDs)... yeah, I'm absolutely loving this! And great pick for a score, I loved the Zorro soundtrack. "The Fencing Lesson" is a personal fave.
Titanic was the score that made me obsessed with film scoring .... What can I say about James Royel Horner .... So many movies ... Where you can start , Wolf Totem , Commando , Jumanji , Star Trek 2 and 3 , Willow , Aliens , The Rocketeer , Legends of the Fall , The Zorro movies , Titanic , Avatar , Deep Impact , Flight Plan , Troy , The perferct storm , Avatar , Karate kid , The Amazing Spiderman , Bicentennial Man , Land before time , An American tail , Glory , Braveheart , Apocalypto , House of sand and fong , Mighty Joe Young , Casper , Balto , Field of Dreams , A beautiful mind , Apollo 13 , and the list goes on and on ...
James is my mentor ... and really loved his musical style of writing ... so emotional , to atonal creepy , and a little horror , and he had so many tips for me ... percussive sound of pianos ... glissandos in pianos , palm clusters in pianos upwars to downwards and the opposite . 2 or 3 basic grand pianos, the basic number but sometimes more than 3 Pianos and Synthesizers . Tubular bells glissandos and random pitches , anvils clunging , use of puilli sticks as metronome , marching snares and field snares , and too piccolo snares , sometimes with or without snares . Pianos low arpeggiated chords whith contrasting high strings . Solo voice using , synth choir or physical choir . Strings divisi a5 , Contrabass trombone for doubling Cimbasso , and Tuba C- bass doubling Bass trombones , major chords using for making anticipation and suspence higher , modal scales using ! Sound effects at strings , the trumpet alert motive ( tatata- ta ,) everywhere . Concert toms thundering passages ... And so many others ...
The man was a school from his one . One category himself ! RIP MAESTRO !
That final little speech at 1:10:31 nailed it. It is exactly how I feel about Horner's death. I am very aware of Horner's multiple quirks, but I miss his scores so much more every year nonetheless, especially since it has been hard for me to like the direction in which Zimmer and others have taken film music (although I recognize Zimmer's talent).
Since when are quirks a bad thing?
Thanks for the anecdote on "Spiderwick Chronicles"! For me, this score easily surpasses "Zorro", it's much more sophisticated in orchestration, in counterpoint, in all the details. In phases it sounds as if this music was written for the concert hall. The only thing it doesn't have is a catchy theme, of course.
I was lucky enough to meet Horner in 2013 at a workshop at the Vienna University of Music (his father was Austrian), unfortunately, he already was quite burnt out and fragile. He seemed to me like an older brother of Michael Jackson: quiet, friendly, but also slightly enraptured and no longer really present. I liked his stories about his years as a student in London and Hamburg. He was, after all, a student of György Ligeti, so perhaps that explains a bit of his academic snootiness. And to some extent, I'm sure he had slightly autistic traits, but nonetheless, at the end of his life, he was actually a likable guy.
Liking now, but will come back later. First Nightwish livestream, then Troy and Austin sounds like a pretty dang perfect evening to me 🥰
Revisiting to Zorro's score reminds me of the feeling I had when I first listened to Rimsky-Korsakov's symphonic suite Scheherazade. There is something so grandiose, big sounding with interweaving motifs that tell stories throughout the piece that I felt like I was on a journey with the composer, even without having the images in front of me.
I love the entire discussion about James Horner and insights into the work habit of such a legend. It's so sad that he passed away so soon. Thank you for the video!
Best part of this show is seeing someone love something so much
Been looking forward to this! Feels just like talking filmscore nerdy with my friends - great company on a lonely friday. Keep it up guys!
Braveheart is my favorite score of all time, so finding this video was a gem.
What a wonderful choice of both composer and score. I love both Zorro scores. Please keep this series coming. So much deep knowledge and nerdy coziness
I love Troy's enthusiasm and sheer joy when he realizes he knows something or gets the right answer. When he said Ennio Morricone I got hopeful for a second, but obviously the title means it couldn't be. I'd love to hear what you think of Morricone's scores! Thank you for this wonderful episode!
Easy to answer that one!! ua-cam.com/video/WRqC2UWtryM/v-deo.html
@@awintory Thank you so much!
"Sneakers", "Apollo 13","Field Of Dreams","Clear And Present Danger","Krull", "Thunderheart"...
Krull!!!!! Absolutely love Krull!!
And amazing work on "Perfect Storm"
Shoutout to Searching For Bobby Fischer and A Beautiful Mind
The Mask of Zorro was easily my favourite score of 1998. I was so disappointed that he didn't get all of the awards for this masterpiece! AND, "I Want To Spend My Lifetime Loving You" became my wedding song.
I’ve missed this
Can't wait for an Ennio Morricone episode
Really facinating hearing stories about Horner. I appreciate that you're honest about everything and bring the same kind of nerdy energy as me when I start talking about these things!
Zorro is absolutely one of my favourites, and I can see what you mean about it being peak Horner with nothing else being as good after. I would agree were it not for The Perfect Storm and Avatar (personally). Sure, The Perfect Storm is Horner doing his Horner thing and ripping off every trick in his book, but I feel like it's the pinacle of that 90s sound (even though it was 2000) that he perfected it in that score. Avatar was a wonderful mix of ALL of his sounds; old school right to his most modern.
What an enjoyable discussion to observe, as well as the low-key endorsement of flamenco styles.
"The Goldsmith Hour"?! The Goldsmith Month! Yes, he's that damn good!!!!!
I think James Horner did his best work for Don Bluth's animated features. And YES, YES, YES, The Land Before Time is a masterful soundtrack! It's one of those very rare filmscores that sounds like a symphony. No fat, no 'filler' passages. Just great, exciting music from start to finnish.
YES, TOTALLY! I agree LBT soundtrack is a f***ing masterpiece. And thank you, Austin, for saying that!
I used to say the best film composers were the "Three J's" Jerry Goldsmith, John Williams, and James Horner.
I love watching people talk about their passions. His enthusiasm is infectious.
Austin and Troy, I absolutely love watching you guys nerd/bro out on all of this great music, and learning more about these composers is almost just a side benefit. It reminds me of my favorite conversations with other geeky musicians.
Troy got a laugh out of me at 36:29
As always love this series because when passionate people talk about what makes them passionate it makes for interesting listening material.
One word. Braveheart. 'nuff said.
I really like his Avatar soundtrack, it’s great, so is The Rocketeer, which I’ve just realised is now on spotify :).
Oh man, The Rocketeer! One of the first movies I remember seeing as a kid where I actually took notice of how good the music was.
Yeah, The Rocketeer finally got an official soundtrack album! Like, just 3 or 4 months ago, I think...
I learn so much listening to these videos! Thanks for doing them!
I never thought would get excited watching a video about a composer and its music. Thank you Austin for this and Troy for bringing something that makes this conversation feel complete.
It JUST dawned on me how small of a viewership this series has and it's criminal to me. This is far and away the most watchable long form experience on music on this entire platform. There's a bias because of my joy in hearing you two speak, but I do believe anybody can get a lot out of the depths you guys plumb on this series. It's not necessarily the "Theory Show", but that's okay because that's not what it's trying to be.
I enjoy these discussions so much. So informative and joyful. They are a casual and unpretentious celebration of music and music making.
I just discovered this series and I need to see the others haha. James Horner was a composer who was a big influence on me as a composer. I immediately was hooked and gravitated towards his philosophy of scoring films. His way of finding the “heart” of the movie or the human element. He was a master of emotion.
Zorro is one of my favorite scores and movies so that made me happy you started it off with it haha. Horner will always be big part of who I am musically. I’m still trying to learn to score the “heart” of a project! That whole mentality is a very good tool for movies!! Great video man!!
This is required viewing for any lover of music. I appreciate this show and your conversations so much! Thank you! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
Just FYI Austin uilleann pipes have drones too. The main difference between them and Scottish bagpipes I would say is that they're less shrill. Hats off for the pronunciation by the way, and thanks for making this great show!
Interesting, I didn't think that was the case. Surely there are models without them. In BRAVEHEART those melodies don't have drones
@@awintory yeah absolutely, usually beginners will have a droneless set. The drones don't have to be used and are often employed quite sparingly, especially in scores and folk rock/metal where it might muddy the sound. But even as a solo instrument it definitely has a beautifully wistful feel without drones, I always think it's such a noble sound.
Also anecdotally I believe they're hard to keep in tune haha, but I'm getting out of my realm of knowledge and you'd have to ask an actual piper about that.
@@awintory If you or anyone else is interested, you can check out this video to see the drones in action: ua-cam.com/video/h8hNFSfbf1E/v-deo.html
Sneakers, that soundtrack feels like the 90s to me. Also listening to Horner scores you find so many repeating melodies which I actually like because if it works it works. Playing Go from beautiful mind, is borrowed for the amazing spider-man, so is the ending brass section of the rocketeer used for spidey. Zimmer does this as well and Elfman, but there’s a beauty and mysterious longing to Horners scores that resonate with my ears
Yes
Thank you both for doing this! James Horner is my favorite composer, and shaped me as a musician. I feel exactly the same way about his death, like it was a mentor or friend I knew personally. In a way, I think we do know him personally because he put so much of his heart into his music, and we encounter him that way.
Just recently discovered this channel and this series from your John Williams video, and I was so happy you did a video about Horner! He’s my favorite composer behind Williams. He just knew how to get at my heartstrings. There’s a que from Fievel Goes West - the one that is used for its song “Dreams To Dream” - it’s one of the most beautiful passages I ever heard.
Zorro is Spanish though, not Mexican. It takes place in Old Spanish California. So technically the score was kind of spot on.
Old Spanish California is literally Mexico
Thank you so much for bringing up this wonderful composer! Thoroughly enjoyed the conversation. Funny enough, before clicking on this video I uploaded a piano solo rendition of the Spanish Danse scene, which is on of the most memorable tunes in the film, I think) And earlier that day I also listened through the soundtrack, and so it was a realy big jaw dropper when you rolled out percicesly this score for the video ^ )
Hearing the score to The Mask of Zorro immediately transported me to my childhood.
Today was funky. Started off chill, ended up more drunk than I intended: business meeting. This is the perfect way to chill out and come off that high. Appreciate it!
Let the Nerdulation(TM) continue! Love love love these! 🥰
Thanks for shining a spotlight on Mask of Zorro. I really need to give it a closer listen, because the cues you highlighted were excellent. For me, the best Horner score will likely always be Krull. I adored the film growing up, back when it was in heavy rotation on HBO, and his music was a big part of the experience. It's such a unique blend of choral, synth, and horn-forward orchestra with spectacular melodies throughout. I've always wanted to perform the full score in concert with the film projected behind the ensemble, but I'm not sure the brass would make it past the first hour. I'm loving this show, by the way. Please keep recording episodes. Perhaps you can do an episode on Randy Newman some day. It seems Troy needs some help fully appreciating that man's genius. Cheers.
Krull is an amazing score! That and Star Trek II/III are my favorite Horner scores.
I loved those movies! I dressed up as Zoro for Halloween for 3-4 years straight when I was a kid 😅
I'd love to hear some Carter Burwell
Did like his score for Braveheart.
Hope you guys are doing Basil Poledouris’ Conan the Barbarian score, my all time favourite soundtrack.
Robocop as well just pulls together so well with his score in it, but yeah nothing has ever seen more play as the background music to D&D games over the last nearly 40 years than Conan the Barbarian
Good one. It elevates that movie soooo damn much.
I'd know that opening passage anywhere. It's so iconic. Mask of Zorro was one of the earliest scores in my film score collection twenty plus years ago and remains one of my favorites to this day.
Absolutely love this podcast.
As a kid, this was the first ever movie I saw on DVD, and consequently the first movie where I went straight for the bonus featurette on the making of the score. I can still hum every cue, definitely a formative one for me (much to the amusement of my family) so it's great to hear that this is your favourite as well Austin. Validated!
I'm right there with you on how I react to his loss. It's weird, but it's true. And it's only Horner. Goldsmith, Poledouris, Kamen, Barry, Morricone, I don't tear up when I see their names in the credits or hear their music.
Damn I'm about to buy the Zorro soundtracks after watching this, never saw either movie but that score sounds awesome.
Enemy at the Gates for me is possibly his best. I know it’s not as acclaimed but it just resonates with me
I might feel that if the main theme weren't so overtly recycled from other scores. Always pulls me out but it's otherwise incredibly masterful and the entire opening sequence of the soldiers getting off the train / crossing the river etc is breathtaking filmmaking
I knew nothing about Horner's work, outside of Aliens, so this was super entertaining and informative! Though, I do have to admit, I got super excited when Troy mentioned Howard Shore toward the beginning. All his work with Cronenberg, and stuff like Silence of the Lambs, Ed Wood, etc., to say nothing of his perfect LOTR scores. Oh God, and Clint Mansell, sweet Jesus, Clint Mansell!
This is the best podcast ever.
One of my all-time favorite film score melodies is Willow’s Theme. I’m always surprised by how many brilliant scores James Horner has done ever time a look through his catalog. Never would have guessed you would go with Zorro, nice!
favorite score of is is braveheart and field of dreams they are both works of art love this show
Awesome stuff guys, had never heard of James Horner before this.
Austin, I don’t know how familiar you are with Joe Hisaishi’s work, but I’d love if you could do an expose on a piece of his that you find particularly compelling.
Love this show, keep up the great work!!
Man, there were so many great parts to the Aliens score.
Ripley's Rescue - think that's what it's called when the marines get ambushed and Ripley drives the APC in to save them.
I think there's a certain special energy that Horner captures when he scored movies that are either kids movies or made with kids in mind. Titantic and Braveheart are great scores for adult-geared movies -certainly not meant for kids. But with The Mask of Zorro, it seems like there's this expanded creativity that goes above and beyond other scores, and I think that might partly come from the source material - that it's an adventure that can be enjoyed by kids and adults alike. You mentioned The Land Before Time, which was specifically made for kids, but also fits that bill. Then there's Willow and The Rocketeer (my personal favorite) that are the same way.
Horner grew up in London and his accent is product of that.
My understanding was that he went to Royal College of Music but otherwise grew up in California.
To be clear, it doesn't matter to me. Anyone can talk however they want; I just always found it a peculiar accent and SEEMED put on, but I clearly don't have the inside story there
I can confirm as a Scotsman, we have... interesting opinions of the movie Braveheart... Excellent episode guys!
Great, now i'm addicted to the Zorro score, thanks Austin! (I see this as a total win)
You Gotta Hear This : Episode 4 - Reference List :
* Alan Silvestri - Music Composer
* Jerry Goldsmith - Music Composer & Conductor - 1929-2004
* John Williams - Music Composer
* Thomas Newman - Music Composer
* American Beauty - Film - 1999 - Dir Sam Mendes - Music Composer Thomas Neman
* The Shawshank Redemption - Film - 1994 - Dir Frank Darabont - Music Composer Thomas Newman
* Wall-e - Feature Animation Film - Dir Andrew Stanton - Music Composer & Conductor Thomas Newman
* Hans Zimmer - Music Composer
* John Berry - Music Composer ( 5x Times Oscar Winner )
* Out of Africa - Film - 1985 - Dir and Prod Sydney Pollack - Music Composer John Barry
* Ennio Morricone - Musician, Music Composer, Producer and Conductor - 1928-2020
* Sergio Leone - Film Director, Producer and Screenwriter - 1929-1989
* The Mask of Zorro - Film - 1998 - Dir Martin Campbell - Music Composer James Horner
* James Horner - Music Composer - 1953-2015
* Titanic - Film - 1997 - Dir James Cameron - Music Composer James Horner
* Star Trek : the Motion Picture - Film - 1979 - Dir Robert Wise - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan - Film - 1982 - Dir Nicholas Meyer - Music Composer James Horner
* Star Trek II : The Search for Spock - Film - 1984 - Dir Leonard Nimoy - Music Composer James Horner
* Star Trek IV : The Voyage for Home - Film 1986 - Dir Leonard Nimoy - Music Composer Leonard Rosenman
* Star Trek V : The Final Frontier - Film - 1989 - Dir William Shatner - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Star Trek VI / the Undiscovered Country - Film -1991 - Dir Nicholas Meyer - Music Composer Cliff Eidelman
* Star Trek Generations - Film 1994 - Dir David Carson - Music Composer - Dennis McCarthy -
* Star Trek : First Contact - Film -1996 - Dir Jonathan Frakes - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Star Trek : Insurrection - Film - 1998 - Dir Jonathan Frakes - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Star Trek : Nemesis - Film - 2002 - Dir Stuart Baird - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Christopher Lloyd - Actor
* Braveheart - Film - 1995 - Dir Mel Gibson - Music Composer James Horner
* Irish Pipes - Uillean or Elbow - Irish Instrument
* Scottish Pipes - Great Highland or Small Border - Scottish Instrument
* Mel Gibson - Actor , Director, Producer
* AlienS - Film - 1986 - Dir James Cameron - Music Composer James Horner
* Mad Max - Film - 1979 - Dir George Miller - Music Composer Brian May - 1934-1997
* Star Wars : A New Hope - Film - 1977 - Dir George Lucas - Music Composer John Williams
* Mission : Impossible - Film - 1997 - Dir Brian de Palma - Music Composer Danny Elfman
* Larry Mullen Jr - Musician - Drummer ( U2 )
* Adam Clayton - Musician - Bassist ( U2 )
* Gustavo Santaolalla - Musician , Composer, Producer
* The Spiderwick Chronicles - Film - 2008 - Dir Mark Waters - Music Composer James Horner
* Avatar - Film - 2009 - Dir James Cameron - Music Composer James Horner
* Middle-Earth : Shadow Of Mordor - Video Game - 2014 - Dev Studio Monolith Productions
* Legends of the Fall - Film - 1994 - Dir Edward Zwick - Music Composer James Horner
* Clear and Present Danger - 1994 - Dir Philipp Noyce - Music Composer James Horner
* Glory - Film - 1989 - Dir Edward Zwick - Music Composer James Horner
* Apollo 13 - Film - 1995 - Dir Ron Howard - Music Compser James Horner
* The Land before Time - Feature Animation Film - Dir and Prod Don Bluth - Music Composer James Horner
* Enemy at the Gates - Film - 2001 - Dir Jean-Jacques Annaud - Music Composer James Horner
* A Beautiful Mind - Film - 2001 - Dir Ron Howard - Music Composer James Horner
* Abzu - Video Game - 2016 - Dev Studio Giant Squid - Music Composer Austin Wintory :)
* The Barber of Seville - Opera Buffa - Giaochino Rossini
* Casper - Film - 1995 - Dir Brad Siberling - Music Composer James Horner
* Alex North - Music Composer - 1910-1991
* The Agony and The Ecstasy - Film 1965 - Dir Carol Reed - Music Composers Alex North & Jerry Goldsmith
* Babe - Film - 1995 - Dir Chris Noonan - Music Composer Nigel Westlake
* Basics Instincts - Film - 1992 - Dir Paul Verhoeven - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Mulan - Feature Animation Film - 1998 - Dir Tony Bancroft and Barry Cook - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Rudy - Film - 1993 -Dir David Anspaugh - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Planet of The Apes Film - Dir Franklin J Schaffner - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Patton : Lust for Glory - Film - 1970 - Dir Franklin J Schaffner - Music Composer Jerry Goldsmith
* Shakuhachi - Japanese Instrument
* Pan Flute - Ancient Greece Instrument
* El Cid - Film - 1961 - Dir Anthony Mann - Music Composer Miklos Rozsa
* John Mauceri - Conductor ( Hollywood Bowl )
* Benjamin Zander - Conductor ( Boston Philharmonic Orchestra Director )
* River Phoenix - Actor - 1970-1993
* Carrie Fisher - Actress - 1956-2016
* The Amazing Spiderman - Film - 2012 - Dir Marc Webb - Music Composer James Horner
* The Magnificent Seven - Film Remake - 2016 - Dir Antoine Fuqua - Music Composer James Horner & Simon Franglen
Damn that one was pretty stacked up as well … O_O”
Featured Tracks :
The Plaza of Execution - The mask of Zorro - James Horner
Confession - The Mask of Zorro - James Horner
The Ride - The Mask of Zorro - James Horner
Tornado in the barracks - The Mask of Zorro - James Horner
The Barn - Love Theme - Miklos Rozsa
Thanks a lot for that great Episode ! Take care.
Give it a while and people will tell music composers how they "wintoried the shit out of this"
I know exactly how they would describe it too
Thank you, UA-cam algorithm for bringing me here, my love for videogame-actors and scores combined in one podcast!
I love James Horner, he composed basically the whole score of my childhood with A land before time, An American Tail, Balto, Jumanji, Zorro and the Grinch. And I will always have a soft spot for the score of the first Amazing Spider-man movie.
And thank you Mr. Wintory for the scores of Journey and AC: Syndicate (my favorite AC score) and this podcast, this was fun and insightful! I will stay for a while. Beautiful words also there at the end of the podcast. I feel the same way, I miss James Horner and would have loved to see what he would have done in the future.
If you will ever do Thomas Newman, I want to recommend his score for The Horse whisperer the movie by Robert Redford from 1998 (if you don't know it already). That score is my favorite of ALL time, I love it and listen to it on a regular basis for almost 20 years now. I just think (in my musically-uneducated opinion) it does not get the credit it deserves. The Rhythm of the horse is just
Great episode guys! I would love to see one on Basil Poledouris (specifically his score for conan the barbarian)
I would love to hear that soundtrack with zorroaund sound ;)
I love the 'Secret Wedding' so much
Thanks for the reminder of how good that movie was as a whole. Quiet enjoyable to watch and listen too. Would love to hear your thoughts on Ottman's composition for The Usual Suspects. Love the main theme, how it builds and that the film brought it to the forefront so that it could be fully enjoyed rather than putting it under dialogue.
if you havent heard it you should check out the score for Mishima a life in four chapters
I think his score for the first Amazing Spider-Man is extremely underrated. It doesn't, perhaps, have the same kind of immediately recognizable leitmotifs of the movies that preceded it, but the way he managed to infuse the movie with an oddly child-like innocence is nothing short of...amazing (heh).
When Austin is discussing his favourite Treks and he's describing 6, Troy looks perplexed that Austin likes that movie and mentions Christopher Lloyd as a Klingon. Did he just mean to say Plummer or is he actually thinking of Search for Spock?
By the way, absolutely loving this series and the two hosts are a delight.
Given how he's describing things, I think he meant Plummer because 6 is the one that has the murder mystery and is built like a conspiracy thriller
Well, Zorro and his daughter are played by people from Wales, with the main hero played by a Spaniard..
I HAVE to get the "El Cid".
For me, the Battle of the Mutara Nebula will probably always be the musical highpoint of Star Trek. Thinking Horner was not even 30 and basically ordered to find a way to combine elements between Goldsmiths Star Trek, Williams' Star Wars and Courages tv trek theme, it is mindboggling how undeniably great the Start Trek II soundtrack turned out.
Please talk about James Newton Howard next and his marvelous ability to edge me so hard without ever letting me finish.
Composer, Basil Poledouris "Conan the Barbarian" soundtrack 1982.. Your thought Austin?. Masterpiece, this was one of my childhood fav's and still is today.. Thanks guys🍻😎👊.
The beginning jingle during the title sequence; I can’t place where I’ve heard that before 🤔
34:42 thank you for mentioning The Land Before Time. Horner rarely mentioned it, and when he was finally asked about it, his response was just short of, “I was just doing my job” 😞 that was way more than a job..
It's perfection!
The level of awesomness of this series is off the charts. I could listen to you two talk for hours.
And let me just say, that even though you speak enthusiastically about Horner as a composer, this talk only solidified my negative opinion of the guy.
I can't stand his style, his constant "borrowing" of other peoples ideas ("Oh let's steal some Shostakovich and Prokoviev, and a good measure of Katchaturian, no one will notice...". I guess you have seen the videos on UA-cam with lengthy examples of just how shamelessly he steals from other composers) or repeating his own ideas, or constantly scoring for Uillean Pipes, and that aggravating Panflute misuse as rhythmic instrument, until your eyes start rolling into the back of your head when they show up in the next movie he scored.
And all the anecdotes you had about him didn't endear him to me any further.
Going on tangent on Rosza was also a welcome addition. "El Cid" is my favourite soundtrack of a movie I have never seen.
And Rosza's non film music is also just great stuff. There is a 3 Part series of mixed Orchestral works on Chandos available on Spotify.
So when do we get a Star Trek podcast with you two...?
I love Horner (especially his Rocketeer and Willow scores), but it used to drive me mad how often he would reuse parts of scores in different film scores (Aliens in Patriot Games, Wrath of Khan in Aliens, quite a few more).
I used to have a lot of them memorized. Field Of Dreams in Beautiful Mind? Bobby Fischer in Beautiful Mind? Titanic in Bicentennial Man… in Beautiful Mind.